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| shapr | Is there a tutorial for porting an existing debian package to maemo? | 01:41 |
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| bhima | Wow. they're predicting it's going to be cold on Monday. High of 19, low of 7. | 02:08 |
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| sab_ | probably a dumb question, but is it possible to test new themes in the scratchbox SDK environment? | 03:05 |
| sab_ | If I grab a .deb of a theme, should I just be able to do a "fakeroot dpkg -i theme.deb"? | 03:09 |
| * sab_ tried but is getting errors, so just doing a sanity check to see if it is even possible | 03:09 | |
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| shapr | I have scratchbox installed, but I don't remember if it's for 0S2006, is there an easy way to tell? | 06:01 |
| shapr | Where's the step by step guide to setting up a dev environment? | 06:09 |
| shapr | aha - http://www.maemo.org//platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html#settingup | 06:12 |
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| cworth | Anyone here that can guide me through rescuing a device? | 08:06 |
| cworth | I've got one device working quite nicely, and I wanted to make another work just like it. | 08:07 |
| cworth | So I flashed the same root filesystem I had used for the working device, but now this second one isn't completing the boot process. | 08:07 |
| cworth | By putting each device into rd-mode I can get it to report kernel versions, etc. and those don't match, so I'm guessing that's the problem. | 08:08 |
| cworth | I've found the same root filesystem image on maemo.org, but I can't find kernel images etc. | 08:08 |
| cworth | (And the annoying click-through download.php script makes it really hard to just browse what's available.) | 08:08 |
| cworth | Is anyone here that might be able to give me some pointers on working through this problem? | 08:09 |
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| * cworth resolves his problem by realizing the .bin files in the download section are in fact the "fiasco" images the flasher talks about | 09:27 | |
| cworth | Or, almost done... can't seem to get scratchbox usb transparency working with the kernel from the latest 2006 release, (no nfs modules). Backing up and trying again... | 09:52 |
| cworth | "scratchbox CPU transparency" that is... | 09:54 |
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| cworth | OK, things seem all good now, (though I had to manually "modprobe nfs" on the n770 for some reason). Anyway, I've kept careful notes on this part of the process this time in case they might be useful for someone else later. Good night, all. | 10:19 |
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| tigert | cool | 10:26 |
| tigert | put them in the wiki when you have time | 10:27 |
| cworth | tigert: Well, there pretty redundant with a lot of what's in the wiki, since I wrote them to be standalone. | 10:28 |
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| cworth | tigert: It's more just a matter of, "Flash SU-18_2006SE_1.2006.26-8_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin, then flash Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.1_armel-rootfs.jffs2, and the n770 is one click away from having scratchbox CPU transparency support". | 10:29 |
| cworth | What would be better though is to fix things so that that support is available in a couple of clicks from the latest images, (perhaps through an additional package or whatever). | 10:30 |
| cworth | I suppose there's probably a mailing list I should be on to discuss this kind of thing, right? ... | 10:30 |
| tigert | right | 10:31 |
| tigert | maemo-developers yeah | 10:31 |
| * cworth subscribes | 10:33 | |
| tigert | also "sardine" and "herring" are good keywords. those are the unstable devel branches that we want to make more public, s | 10:35 |
| tigert | this could be moe like an open project with the community | 10:35 |
| tigert | it needs work though, and thus complaining the list with good ideas and insight is good | 10:36 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 10:59 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:02 |
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| koen | good morning all | 11:08 |
| tigert | morning | 11:08 |
| inz | mrng | 11:12 |
| cworth | morning? Oh my, time for me to go to sleep... | 11:20 |
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| _follower_ | cworth: a familiar situation :-) | 11:21 |
| koen | isn't #maemo on ugt? | 11:23 |
| tigert | etrunko: ping? | 11:29 |
| tigert | ah, probably asleep | 11:29 |
| inz | While ugt solves greeting problems, it doesn't solve the problem that some people aren't awake =) | 11:30 |
| suihkulokki | confirmed.. zune has a MX31 - 533Mhz arm11 | 11:30 |
| suihkulokki | I guess they are scratching their head how apple can make a mp3 player with a 80(?)Mhz arm7.. | 11:31 |
| florian_kc | good monring | 11:31 |
| koen | suihkulokki: :) | 11:32 |
| inz | suihkulokki, does it have a 400 MHz 3D accelerator too? | 11:32 |
| koen | inz: if it's the mx31, it has 3d :) | 11:32 |
| suihkulokki | inz: I don't know about the mhz, but yes | 11:32 |
| koen | suihkulokki: it's mx31, bot mx31l? | 11:33 |
| inz | They're probably trying to run Vista on it. | 11:33 |
| tigert | :) | 11:36 |
| tigert | I should do a vista theme just for the kicks | 11:37 |
| tigert | or not | 11:37 |
| inz | Although, running vista would make them quite expensive though. 10 GB of flash isn't too cheap | 11:38 |
| Jaffa | tigert; more decent, professional looking, non-gimmicky themes on the 770 would actualy be good. | 11:38 |
| inz | + the space for the music files obviously ;) | 11:38 |
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| shapr | tigert: What about a white and blue Nokia theme? | 11:46 |
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| inz | tigert, the icon? | 11:55 |
| tigert | inz: yes | 12:03 |
| tigert | inz: 26x26? | 12:04 |
| tigert | damn, we need to use standard icon sizes :P | 12:05 |
| inz | tigert, yes | 12:05 |
| tigert | move into that I mean, or add new sizes where needed to the icon size spec | 12:05 |
| inz | tigert, can you put it on the wiki? | 12:05 |
| tigert | inz at inz.fi? | 12:05 |
| tigert | hm | 12:05 |
| tigert | okay? | 12:05 |
| tigert | upload? | 12:05 |
| inz | you should be able to create attachments... I think =) | 12:06 |
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| tigert | hmm | 12:06 |
| tigert | in the editor? | 12:06 |
| tigert | ajh yes | 12:07 |
| koen | it even has geoclue support :) | 12:07 |
| inz | koen, not too much of it yet | 12:07 |
| tigert | http://maemo-hackers.org/attachment/wiki/WikiStart/maemo-blog-icon.png?format=raw | 12:07 |
| inz | thanks | 12:07 |
| tigert | M is also for mobile of course | 12:08 |
| inz | nice | 12:08 |
| tigert | which fits nicely there | 12:08 |
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| tigert | hmm. food time | 12:25 |
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| obergix[work] | anybody knows an availability date of the navigation kit from nokia for 770 | 12:55 |
| Veggen | I registered for more info when available, and haven't heard a thing. | 12:56 |
| obergix[work] | called the belgian nokia online shop, and they said next week... | 12:56 |
| tigert | navicore? | 13:30 |
| florian_kc | hi mallum | 13:36 |
| mallum | hey florian_kc | 13:37 |
| inz | tigert, I'm moving the icon to the MaemoBlog page | 13:39 |
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| tigert | cool | 13:51 |
| inz | tigert, actually, I should move it to the svn... | 13:51 |
| inz | tigert, afaik trac can use it from there too... | 13:52 |
| inz | Erm, actually I won't, the svn gets "stuck" every so often | 13:53 |
| inz | So it's more available as an attachment | 13:53 |
| inz | (obviously I will put it in the svn too) | 13:53 |
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| tigert | ok. just put it in the package :) | 14:04 |
| tigert | i want it in my menus ;) | 14:04 |
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| lardman | Is there a list of bootreasons anywhere? | 14:14 |
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| lardman | My 770 has started random reboots and cat /proc/bootreason gives me 32wd_to | 14:15 |
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| inz | tigert, 0.1.6 in repos | 14:22 |
| inz | tigert, no package icon yet though | 14:22 |
| _follower_ | lardman: i believe that's a "watchdog timer" of some sort... | 14:23 |
| _follower_ | i seem to recall there's something in the wiki about it. | 14:23 |
| lardman | _follower_: Yep just found the page in the wiki | 14:24 |
| lardman | _follower_: Thanks | 14:24 |
| lardman | Right, I've looked at that, and corrected a typo in the file one's supposed to 'cat' | 14:30 |
| inz | tigert, the 0.1.6 uses libsoup for metaweblog, if you're bored, pls test it =) | 14:31 |
| lardman | Can anyone interpret the output of /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_restarts ? | 14:31 |
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| ferenc | hello | 14:31 |
| lardman | hello | 14:31 |
| ferenc | we are having a maemo steering group meeting right now | 14:32 |
| ferenc | i try to communicate some of the topics | 14:32 |
| inz | lardman, <command responsible for the restart trigger> : <count of restarts caused by it> | 14:33 |
| part | is part of it going to be held outside in the public? | 14:33 |
| keesj | is there a debian changelog editor? | 14:33 |
| inz | keesj, dch | 14:33 |
| part | keesj: dpkg-dev-el | 14:33 |
| ferenc | part: don't have the infra to have it public , but i am gonna tell the topic right now right here and we gonna publish some minutes | 14:33 |
| lardman | inz: And the * is the one which caused the last reset? | 14:34 |
| ferenc | Carlos will shortly give us an update on Herring | 14:34 |
| inz | lardman, that I don't know | 14:34 |
| inz | lardman, erm, actually, it is how many times the program in question has been restarted | 14:34 |
| inz | lardman, sorry | 14:34 |
| inz | lardman, and yes, * marks the last restarted | 14:35 |
| ferenc | Tigert and myself will demo test.maemo.org (this is not any official demo, just showing the first results) | 14:35 |
| lardman | inz: Oh right, can the programs be restarted without a reboot, or have all the ones in there caused a reboot at some point? | 14:35 |
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| tigert | inz, maemo-blog gently crashes if your password is wrong ;) | 14:36 |
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| inz | lardman, afaik it depends on the program if it causes a reboot or not | 14:36 |
| lardman | inz: Also, (when) is the file purged? | 14:36 |
| ferenc | Luc and tko will talk about Desktop/HAF API cleanup - targets and objectives (wiki pages already available: https://maemo.org/maemowiki/HAF/APICleanup/) | 14:36 |
| inz | lardman, dunno about purging | 14:36 |
| koen | ferenc: a 'backports' or 'security updates' for IT2006.1 would be nice | 14:36 |
| lardman | inz: Ah, ok. I note the filename has changed from lifeguard_resets to lifeguard_restarts and changed that in the wiki | 14:36 |
| ferenc | koen: OK, will raise it towards the end of the meeting! | 14:36 |
| inz | tigert, it doesn't crash, it dies to an abort() ;) | 14:36 |
| ferenc | After Luc and Tommi we have a session for open items | 14:37 |
| inz | lardman, just tried, if you kill some service over and over again (so that dsme thinks it keeps crashing) the device will restart | 14:38 |
| ferenc | Right now I have notied koen's question about security updates to IT OS 2006 1st edition | 14:38 |
| lardman | inz: Interesting, mine shows oss_alarm : 505 *, despite my not having set any alarms | 14:38 |
| ferenc | Carlos also wants to talk about mono (Miguel has the port done to 770).. | 14:38 |
| inz | lardman, maybe it depends on service | 14:38 |
| lardman | inz: osso_hss : 64 and ias : 9 make up the rest | 14:38 |
| ferenc | That's all right now. Please keep me posted with questions and I will raise them. | 14:38 |
| lardman | inz: okay | 14:39 |
| keesj | inz, thanks | 14:39 |
| inz | lardman, I tried with mce, which should be quite crucial to system | 14:39 |
| part | koen: 2006.2 is compatible with .1, why should there be updates for .1 specifically? | 14:39 |
| koen | part: backup sucks, and I refuse to reflash for ~4 userspace improvements | 14:39 |
| lardman | inz: What's mce? Does the contents of the 32wd_to and sw_rst files mean anything. They are 5 and 1 respectively. | 14:40 |
| koen | I know it2006.2 also had an improved kernel | 14:40 |
| inz | lardman, after I got dsme to reboot the device, I got a "lifeguard_resets" file, which now says "/sbin/mce : 1 *" | 14:40 |
| part | koen: so what you really want is a package upgrade to .2? | 14:40 |
| inz | lardman, so lifeguard_resets follows the same syntax | 14:40 |
| koen | part: that's the end goal, but a security update for the A-M would be the start | 14:40 |
| lardman | inz: Ah, I see | 14:40 |
| part | koen: there weren't any security updates for the 2005 release, do you think there would be any for 2006.x? | 14:41 |
| koen | part: that's a bullshit question | 14:42 |
| part | ok | 14:42 |
| koen | with that kind of questions security updates wouldn't exist | 14:42 |
| koen | "I didn't need an antivirus in 1992, why do I need one now?" | 14:42 |
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| part | koen: I'm just saying that there haven't been any security updates, I'm not saying that it's an optimal situation | 14:43 |
| koen | it2005 also didn't have a sane apt, so you couldn't do security updates | 14:44 |
| inz | lardman, sw_rst seems to be how many times dsme has restarted the device, maybe 32wd_to is some hardware watchdog (I don't have such) | 14:44 |
| lardman | inz: Thanks, I'll have to search the ml and see whether I can glean any info about the alarm restarting things | 14:46 |
| spaetz | koen: I'm waiting for the day where I simply can apt-get dis-upgrade :-) | 14:46 |
| * spaetz dreams | 14:46 | |
| spaetz | /dist-upgrade/ | 14:46 |
| inz | lardman, I killed dsme and got 32wd_to, so indeed it seems to be some hw watchdog | 14:46 |
| inz | lardman, probably dsme keeps pinging the watchdog to keep the device alive | 14:46 |
| suihkulokki | that would need competent packagers, who would actually manage to make upgradable packages | 14:47 |
| * suihkulokki ducks | 14:47 | |
| koen | spaetz: the fact that the kernel is in a seperate partition makes that a bit hard | 14:47 |
| koen | suihkulokki: or fix packages in repos without taking 3 months | 14:47 |
| tigert | herring stuff now | 14:47 |
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| ferenc | i386 packages is available since last week | 14:48 |
| suihkulokki | koen: wrong complaint address. | 14:48 |
| ferenc | s/is/are | 14:48 |
| koen | suihkulokki: I wasn't complaining at you, but with you | 14:48 |
| inz | tigert, btw, noticed that midgard doesn't handle wrong password too well either | 14:48 |
| tigert | if you have comments herr/sardine, speak out | 14:48 |
| koen | ferenc: less crap about gpl releases would be nice as well | 14:48 |
| inz | tigert, it reports an error about xmlrpc-server getting invalid data | 14:49 |
| ferenc | Carlos is using Scratchbox Apophis for building the armel packages. | 14:49 |
| koen | ferenc: don't publish a new image before legal clears the sources | 14:49 |
| inz | tigert, whereas wordpress gives <faultCode>403</faultCode> | 14:49 |
| ferenc | koen: yes, we got that already ;) | 14:49 |
| tigert | inz, ok | 14:49 |
| ferenc | koen: it was not depending on legal, but rather some laziness somewhere else ;) | 14:49 |
| inz | tigert, but I hope today and tomorrow will make maemo-blog do some sane error checking. =) | 14:50 |
| tigert | nice. | 14:50 |
| ferenc | Carlos will announce Herring if the armel rebuild goes fine. | 14:50 |
| ferenc | currently it is in progress. more and more packages are falling to the herring repo | 14:50 |
| lardman | inz: 32wd_to is supposed to kill things (or reboot the machine, not sure which) if they use too much cpu: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-users@maemo.org/msg02079.html | 14:51 |
| _follower_ | lardman: could you perhaps go back to that wiki page you edited and add that both filenames may exist? | 14:52 |
| ferenc | Herring and the current scirocco repo will be different. Carlos got an action point to sort out the diffs as soon as Herring is available and usable. | 14:52 |
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| lardman | _follower_: i have done so | 14:52 |
| inz | lardman, I believe that 32wd_to kills the device, if someone does not ping it frequently enough. And if someone is hogging up all the cpu, that something (dsme?) won't be able to do the pinging | 14:53 |
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| _follower_ | lardman: good idea. :-) cheers. | 14:53 |
| lardman | _follower_: Do you have the _resets file instead? | 14:53 |
| _follower_ | i have both | 14:53 |
| lardman | inz: Sounds reasonable | 14:53 |
| lardman | _follower_: Ah, cool, we learn a little more | 14:53 |
| inz | lardman, that would explain why killing dsme causes the 32wd_to reboot | 14:53 |
| _follower_ | lardman: and individual files for '32wd_to' and 'sw_rst' | 14:54 |
| ferenc | any questions from Herring? | 14:54 |
| lardman | _follower_: I've changed it back to the original, and added a note at the end that I have a different file and that both can exist | 14:56 |
| inz | Did you explain the differnece between the files? | 14:58 |
| inz | -typos | 14:58 |
| _follower_ | lardman: cool. | 14:58 |
| lardman | inz: I only have the latter | 14:58 |
| _follower_ | the format appears to be the same. | 14:59 |
| lardman | yes | 14:59 |
| inz | lardman, try "while true; do killall mce; sleep 1; done" and you will get both | 14:59 |
| lardman | _follower_: What's in your 32wd_to and sw_rst files? | 14:59 |
| _follower_ | but for me the executables listed in the two differ. | 15:00 |
| lardman | I wonder what the difference between a restart and a reset is - I ask because my 770 has been making the nokia music which I thought indicated a reboot? | 15:00 |
| _follower_ | lardman: appears to be just single numbers (for me: '13' and '4' respectively) | 15:00 |
| inz | lardman, restart in this case is restarting a service, whereas reset is rebooting the whole device | 15:01 |
| lardman | inz: Ah, okay, so why the music when I only have a restart file? | 15:01 |
| _follower_ | lardman: maybe it was so b0rked it couldn't record the error? | 15:02 |
| inz | lardman, if I've got it right, the count of reboots listed in lifeguard_resets should match the number in sw_rst | 15:02 |
| lardman | No wonder it's getting killed, my 770 is slow as molasses! | 15:03 |
| lardman | Can't even get the xterm to the foreground to see what's happening | 15:03 |
| lardman | inz: I'll check when xterm wakes up | 15:04 |
| _follower_ | inz: i get a differnece of 1 | 15:05 |
| keesj | hmm , do I need to spit i386 builds and armel builds in my repository? http://paste-it.net/580 | 15:05 |
| _follower_ | lardman: i was looking for something i was recalling related to this, and found this page: <http://sardine.garage.maemo.org/getting_started.html> | 15:05 |
| _follower_ | see: "Enable R&D mode and set some flags" | 15:05 |
| _follower_ | especially "--set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset" | 15:06 |
| lardman | _follower_: yep, I saw that. The problem I've got is that something really is eating my cpu and I can't get any response - the desktop won't even redraw and it took 10s for it to realise the cover was off | 15:07 |
| _follower_ | lardman: :-( | 15:07 |
| lardman | pulled the battery | 15:08 |
| _follower_ | there was also something i remember reading somewhere (mailing list or irc?) about the names for the two watchdogs. something like "remu" and something? (related to fred and barney?) | 15:08 |
| _follower_ | but i can never find the reference | 15:08 |
| _follower_ | ah, hang oin... | 15:08 |
| koen | retu | 15:09 |
| _follower_ | it's *retu* and omap(?) | 15:09 |
| koen | and tavoo (iirc) | 15:09 |
| lardman | sounds right | 15:09 |
| _follower_ | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-July/001553.html | 15:09 |
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| _follower_ | koen: thanks. :-) | 15:09 |
| keesj | (found the problem ) | 15:10 |
| _follower_ | heh, it would be handy if i remembered my own edits in the wiki. :-) http://maemo.org/maemowiki/Flasher_tool_usage | 15:11 |
| _follower_ | search for "retu" | 15:11 |
| _follower_ | koen: so is tavoo the same as omap? | 15:11 |
| inz | koen, tahvo | 15:11 |
| koen | iirc tahvo is the usb thingy | 15:11 |
| koen | and retu the rtc/watchdog | 15:12 |
| koen | last time I looked that was some months ago | 15:12 |
| inz | At least /sys/devices/platform/tahvo-usb exists | 15:12 |
| _follower_ | lardman: are you still editing that wiki page? | 15:13 |
| inz | And the same for retu-rtc and retu-watchdog | 15:13 |
| tigert | heh, funny names :) | 15:13 |
| _follower_ | inz: smart thinking :-) | 15:13 |
| _follower_ | tigert: is it because it's something to do with fred and barney in finnish? | 15:13 |
| tigert | i dunno what fred and barney are, but it sounds equivalent ;) | 15:14 |
| JussiP | Retu is Fred and Tahvo is Barney. | 15:15 |
| _follower_ | tigert: from the flintstones tv cartoon show | 15:15 |
| JussiP | From The Flintstones. | 15:15 |
| _follower_ | JussiP: snap. :-) | 15:15 |
| _follower_ | hey, i just found this for the first time: http://news.nopcode.org/doc/REN770 | 15:15 |
| _follower_ | " n770 reverse engineering" | 15:16 |
| tigert | oh yes, same names | 15:16 |
| tigert | the finnish translation of flintsones has at least Retu | 15:17 |
| ferenc | Maemo 2 Midgard info sharing ended now | 15:18 |
| ferenc | Now comes Luc and Tommi about HAF API cleanup | 15:18 |
| tigert | long meeting :) | 15:20 |
| _follower_ | so, the link above includes strings references to retu and tahvo | 15:21 |
| _follower_ | and includes these strings (all possible reset/restart codes?): | 15:21 |
| _follower_ | 0x000133f0 unknown | 15:21 |
| _follower_ | 0x000133f8 swdg_to | 15:21 |
| _follower_ | 0x00013400 sec_vio | 15:21 |
| _follower_ | 0x00013408 32wd_to | 15:21 |
| _follower_ | 0x00013414 pwr_key | 15:21 |
| _follower_ | 0x00013424 charger | 15:21 |
| inz | Now someone has to find Vilma and Betty, otherwise Retu and Tahvo will be elonely | 15:21 |
| _follower_ | 0x0001342c sw_rst | 15:21 |
| _follower_ | 0x00013434 rtc_alarm | 15:21 |
| tigert | inz ;) | 15:21 |
| _follower_ | hmmm, my 770 just spontaneoulsy did something. | 15:21 |
| tigert | follower, you chanted the codes! | 15:22 |
| inz | _follower_, charger and rtc_alarm make them sound more like bootreason | 15:22 |
| _follower_ | it "beeped" and i looked over and saw the nokia word and then turned itself off... | 15:22 |
| tigert | it's awakened! | 15:22 |
| _follower_ | inz: ah, true... | 15:22 |
| Guardian | "maemo-defender: died my parent is not who he claims to be" while trying to use 2.1 with apophis R4. any idea please ? | 15:22 |
| _follower_ | inz: i'm getting mixed up... :-) | 15:22 |
| _follower_ | luke, i am your father? | 15:22 |
| part | Guardian: that's from maemo-launcher | 15:22 |
| Guardian | ho yeah | 15:23 |
| Guardian | true | 15:23 |
| Guardian | maemo-defender says "died my parent is not who he claims to be" | 15:23 |
| _follower_ | tigert: actually i think it was as mundane as running out of charge, but without any warning... | 15:23 |
| part | Guardian: which qemu version are you using? | 15:23 |
| tigert | sounds like adopted kid identity chrisis? ;) | 15:24 |
| Guardian | qemu-arm-0.8.0-m2 | 15:24 |
| Guardian | in fact i followed the same instructions as for mistral: http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/2006/11.html | 15:24 |
| _follower_ | other interesting snippets: "Non-buggy Moscow detected", "Older buggy Moscow detected", "And by buggy I mean _really_ buggy", heh. | 15:26 |
| Guardian | i could have asked nchip but afir he changed nick and i don't know the new ione :) | 15:27 |
| tigert | someone with channel logs could check? ;) | 15:28 |
| ferenc | any questions about the API clenup project? | 15:29 |
| Guardian | tigert :) | 15:29 |
| inz | Guardiam, suihkulokki i.e. showerseagull | 15:29 |
| inz | 13:27 oOo nchip is now known as suihkulokki | 15:30 |
| Guardian | ok thx, well i won't private him it's enough highlighting right now :D | 15:30 |
| tigert | it could also mean jet-powered seagull :) | 15:31 |
| inz | indeed | 15:31 |
| _follower_ | ferenc: api cleanup qstns: none from me. (and i did actually read the page in qstn. :-) ) | 15:33 |
| lardman | _follower_: Sorry, I was called away. No I'm not editing it | 15:33 |
| ferenc | _follower_: OK. | 15:33 |
| _follower_ | lardman: cool, i'll cut and pastse some of this stuff. | 15:33 |
| ferenc | Luc and Tommi said the the API changes mean some minor implications for most of the apps. | 15:34 |
| ferenc | They will have a code camp internally and change a few apps to test the "procedure", kind of. | 15:35 |
| _follower_ | ferenc: although page "HildonFileSystemModel" is referenced but does not exist. | 15:35 |
| ferenc | I will ask Luc | 15:35 |
| part | Guardian: does 'sb-conf ls -t|grep arm-' say that you are using the latest version available? | 15:35 |
| Guardian | part: i typed the command and it lists all the qemu-arm versions available | 15:37 |
| Guardian | 0.7.0-sb2, 0.8.0-m2, 0.8.0-sb2, 0.8.1-sb2 | 15:37 |
| part | Guardian: use 0.8.1-sb2 | 15:38 |
| ferenc | _follower_: the HildonFileSystemModel is not a wiki page | 15:39 |
| ferenc | it will not be. wiki just thinks it is a wiki | 15:39 |
| _follower_ | ah, i see. is it a GTK TreeView model? | 15:39 |
| _follower_ | ferenc: or do i just know enough to be dangerous :-) | 15:40 |
| ferenc | _follower_: i dont know if you know enough ;) | 15:41 |
| ferenc | i am trying to catch Luc now | 15:41 |
| tigert | it sounds its an accidental wikiword | 15:41 |
| Guardian | part: now it starts but clicking any menu makes it crash: matchbox-wm: X error warning (0xa0002a): BadWindow (opcode: 12) | 15:41 |
| _follower_ | tigert: although accidentals are often a good indicator of a needed page too. :-) | 15:43 |
| ferenc | Carlos talks about mono now :) | 15:43 |
| ferenc | about mono: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Nov-16-1.html | 15:44 |
| ferenc | Carlos is wondering who will package mono for maemo? | 15:45 |
| ferenc | Any help here? | 15:45 |
| ferenc | I think the package could then be uploaded to the extras repo | 15:46 |
| koen | "a good time to use the new dependency tracking system" | 15:47 |
| koen | you can really spot the rpm users on the web | 15:47 |
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| koen | "Dependency tracking? What's that?" | 15:48 |
| part | heh | 15:48 |
| jait | hi, does anyone know if the sapwood engine cruft in gtkrc is documented somewhere? | 15:48 |
| part | Guardian: try setting _SBOX_USER_USER env. variable to your username | 15:49 |
| Guardian | same | 15:51 |
| Guardian | just crashes when i click a menu in xephyr | 15:51 |
| Guardian | (i mean xephyr window) | 15:51 |
| tigert | jait, it should be quite compatible with the pixbuf engine | 15:52 |
| tigert | you have a specific question now? | 15:52 |
| part | Guardian: just a sec, I'll reinstall 2.1 and give it a try | 15:52 |
| tigert | in mind i mean | 15:52 |
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| jait | tigert: no, i'd just like to know what the different functions and other keywords do | 15:53 |
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| tigert | i can ask tommi after this meeting. but most of it is the same as in pixbuf/pixmap engine | 15:54 |
| _follower_ | excuse my ignorance, but does anyone recognise this language: "Per fi ja he acabat de soldar l'upi i lo més gracios es que funciona" | 15:55 |
| jait | ok, and is the pixbuf/pixmap engine documented somewhere? | 15:55 |
| _follower_ | and/or whether the author ("pancake") of http://news.nopcode.org/pancake/post_74.html ever hangs out here? | 15:55 |
| Eloi | _follower_: sometimes... but not usually | 15:58 |
| Eloi | _follower_: By the way, I recognise the language... is my language :) Catalan | 15:59 |
| _follower_ | Eloi: cool, thanks. i was interested to see the investigations. | 15:59 |
| _follower_ | Eloi: well, yes, that would probably make it easier to recognise, thanks. :-D | 15:59 |
| _follower_ | Eloi: do you know of any online Catalan to English transator tools? | 15:59 |
| Eloi | Just ask me if you need something translated to english ;) | 15:59 |
| Eloi | mmmmmm.... | 15:59 |
| Eloi | I never need an online translator for these languages, so... i don't know but I doubt it. | 16:00 |
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| Eloi | but there are catalan->spanish translators, and spanish->english translators. You could try a "chain" translating :) | 16:01 |
| _follower_ | Eloi: lol. yeah, because that *always* works well. :-) | 16:01 |
| _follower_ | thanks for the suggestion, i won't ask you to translate pancake's rather long blog entry, but will try some googling. thanks. | 16:02 |
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| Eloi | :) | 16:02 |
| Eloi | Well, this entry in particular is also in english (in other blogs) | 16:02 |
| _follower_ | oh? where abouts? | 16:03 |
| Eloi | google for "usb power injector 770". | 16:03 |
| Eloi | the only part of the post that I've never read in english in another please is the last one, where he talks about how he analised the boot process of 770 | 16:04 |
| Eloi | s/please/place/ :) | 16:04 |
| _follower_ | is that everything from the "Canvis al software" heading down? | 16:05 |
| Eloi | no, it's from "Reveng dels bootloaders" to the end of page | 16:05 |
| waite | Any ide how much current the 770 Needs to get the chip up from the injector? Is it a full 500 mA a 5V or is it much less just to wake the chip? | 16:06 |
| Eloi | "Canvis al software" explains how do you enable USB host mode. But I think this information is a bit outdated, I don't know if it's still valid for IT2006 | 16:06 |
| waite | internettablettalk has a good set of posts on how to do it at runtime | 16:07 |
| _follower_ | Eloi: ah, i see. so do you actually know pancake or just happen to speak the same language? | 16:07 |
| waite | A note of interest is that some power saving features are disabled in Host mode so your battery life will diminish | 16:07 |
| Eloi | _follower_: well, actually I know him, but I've never meet him. We have some friends in common :) (I've him added to my Jabber contacts). | 16:08 |
| _follower_ | waite: thanks. :) | 16:09 |
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| waite | :) Just stating the obvious. | 16:10 |
| _follower_ | Eloi: well, next time you jabber with him, you can mention i found his reverse engineering interesting. :-) | 16:10 |
| Eloi | _follower_: hehe... ok | 16:11 |
| Eloi | by the way, anyone knows if nokia have some kind of strange signalling between the charger and the 770? | 16:11 |
| Veggen | Eloy: don't think that | 16:12 |
| Eloi | I tried to adapt a psp external battery that I had lying on my table to work for 770, but I had a very strange message: After plugin it in, the 770 says "don't charging" | 16:12 |
| ferenc | suprise! Luc has shown us a draft of the Hildon web page :) | 16:12 |
| ferenc | we have been waiting that for a long. now we have to figure out where to publish that page. | 16:13 |
| Eloi | It's very strange... Usually when its charging it shows "charging", and when it's not charging it shows nothing... the "not charging" message is a bit suspicious. | 16:13 |
| Veggen | Eloy: could be that it detects strange voltage, or something. | 16:13 |
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| Eloi | (and I mesured with a multimeter the charger and the external battery outputs, and they are very very similar...) | 16:14 |
| Veggen | but I can't see where they'd put the connectors for that signalling. | 16:14 |
| Eloi | perhaps the battery is unable to provide enough current.. that's the only reason that I could think about. But it's very strange. | 16:14 |
| _follower_ | Eloi: wow, check this out: http://www.translendium.com/ a catalan to english translation service that actually works when set to the "technical" setting. it's not a perfect translation but pretty damm good considering it's automatic. | 16:15 |
| Eloi | _follower_: mmm... this goes directly to bookmarks :) | 16:15 |
| _follower_ | e.g. "First we have to extract the parts from the image:" from "Primer hem de extreure les parts de la imatge:" | 16:15 |
| _follower_ | ooh, let me guess "desensamblarem" means disassemble? :-) | 16:16 |
| Eloi | correct | 16:17 |
| saerdnaer | about which post are you talking? | 16:17 |
| _follower_ | now i can begin my work of translating "Short Circuit" the movie into Catalan: "No desensamblarem, Stephanie!" :-) | 16:18 |
| Eloi | http://news.nopcode.org/pancake/post_74.html | 16:18 |
| Eloi | jejejejejeje | 16:18 |
| _follower_ | heh | 16:18 |
| _follower_ | but then again, "since the IDA costs an egg and half" wtf?? | 16:19 |
| ferenc | _follower_: HildonFileSystemModel is a typo on the wiki page. It should be simple: hildon file system model :) | 16:19 |
| Guardian | part: ok thx for trying with 2.1 | 16:19 |
| Eloi | jajajajajaja! | 16:19 |
| _follower_ | ferenc: aha, a bug after all. :-) | 16:19 |
| Eloi | It's and idiom. | 16:19 |
| ferenc | we have concluded the steering group meeting. i will bug Devesh to send out a short summary :) | 16:19 |
| _follower_ | ferenc: thanks for the messages to the channel. | 16:20 |
| Eloi | "Costar un ou i mig" -> "Cost and egg and a half" -> Cost a lot | 16:20 |
| _follower_ | ferenc: good for community involvement and all that. :-) | 16:20 |
| Eloi | Cost a lot (very expensive, or a lot of effort) | 16:20 |
| _follower_ | Eloi: ah, sort of like "costs an arm and a leg"? | 16:20 |
| Eloi | _follower_: exactly. that's the equivalent idiom. | 16:20 |
| _follower_ | i have some bad news... | 16:21 |
| _follower_ | my translation of short circuit will cost, in both effort and money, and egg and a half... | 16:21 |
| _follower_ | :-D | 16:21 |
| Eloi | jejejeje | 16:21 |
| Eloi | Well, in fact this online translator is quite good. | 16:22 |
| ferenc | koen: i am afraid there will be no security updates or backports to earlier IT OS releases | 16:22 |
| _follower_ | Eloi: i was certainly impressed. | 16:23 |
| Eloi | It will work far better if pancake write more formally (uses a lot of slang, and almost never puts accents - à, è, é, ...- in any word). | 16:23 |
| ferenc | today there was nobody who coudl answer this question, but i forwarded your question to some people. | 16:23 |
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| ferenc | i will keep you posted if I get a reply | 16:23 |
| _follower_ | well, we probably can't blame pancake, it is a blog after all. :-) | 16:23 |
| _follower_ | Eloi: turns out you can pass GET parameters so you could set up a shortcut: http://www.translendium.net:8080/home/url.do?TRANSLITERATE_UNKNOWNS=1&CREATE_GLOSSARY=0&REQUEST_URL=http://www.translendium.net:8080/home/url.do&PPM_USE=1&MARK_COMPOUNDS=0&MARK_MEMORY=0&MARK_ALTERNATIVES=1&MARK_CONSTANTS=0&CREATE_CODING_LIST=0&MARK_UNKNOWNS=1&translationDirection=CATALAN-ENGLISH&url=http://news.nopcode.org/pancake/post_74.html&subjectArea | 16:25 |
| _follower_ | (apologies to every1 for the crappy URL :-) ) | 16:25 |
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| Eloi | _follower_: I had already set up a kde shortcut for this website :) | 16:26 |
| _follower_ | Eloi: quick off the mark, aren't you... :-) | 16:27 |
| Eloi | "ca2en:" to translate from english to catalan, "en2ca:" viceversa. | 16:27 |
| Eloi | hehe. | 16:27 |
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| Eloi | _follower_: I've pancake on jabber now. Do you want to ask him something? | 16:37 |
| ferenc | have a good weekend everyone | 16:38 |
| _follower_ | ferenc: bye | 16:38 |
| ferenc | bye | 16:38 |
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| _follower_ | Eloi: no, you can just say i enjoyed finding and reading his reverse engineering notes. :-) | 16:38 |
| Eloi | Ok ;) | 16:38 |
| Eloi | _follower_: Pancake thanks you all :) | 16:42 |
| _follower_ | Eloi: i'm pretty sure there's only one of me. :-D | 16:44 |
| Eloi | hehehe. | 16:44 |
| keesj | why is The Katix-EFIS ( Electronic Flight Information System ) top download on maemo? | 16:49 |
| Guardian | part: any progress so far ? | 16:49 |
| part | Guardian: I can make it crash reliably :) | 16:50 |
| Guardian | when clicking ? | 16:50 |
| part | Guardian: yep | 16:50 |
| Guardian | same here | 16:51 |
| Guardian | what's the difference in the qemu naming: the "-sb2" and "-m2" parts at the end | 16:51 |
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| pancake | io | 16:53 |
| Eloi | ei :) | 16:53 |
| part | Guardian: don't know, sorry | 16:54 |
| pancake | re Eloi ;) | 16:54 |
| spaetz | keesj: Because so many hobby pilots use the 770? :-P just kidding | 16:55 |
| Eloi | se you later... | 16:55 |
| Eloi | s/se/see | 16:55 |
| keesj | it's a babe magnet? | 16:56 |
| ||cw | the 770 makes a decent ebook reader | 16:57 |
| Eloi | ||cw: asking or saying? :) | 16:57 |
| ||cw | saying | 16:57 |
| Eloi | I agree then. I'm just finishing my 8th book read with the 770. ^_ ^ | 16:58 |
| spaetz | the screen is nice, yeah | 16:58 |
| ||cw | ok where does Katix-EFIS get its data? | 17:00 |
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| keesj | I think there was a bug https://garage.maemo.org/reporting/projectact_graph.php?SPAN=1&start=1143849600&end=1164931200&g_id=73&area=downloads | 17:04 |
| tigert | cw, i think kate has some custom usb hardware to go in pair with it :) | 17:05 |
| keesj | I hope so. | 17:06 |
| tigert | i talked with her about it once, it was some external controller board | 17:07 |
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| tigert | ask her, the specs should be open | 17:07 |
| keesj | btw . I started porting xmoto to the 770 | 17:10 |
| keesj | it is really an very adictive game http://xmoto.sourceforge.net/ | 17:10 |
| keesj | this was the first run ,, http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/screenshot02.png there is quite some work left :) | 17:11 |
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| tigert | xmoto rules | 17:12 |
| keesj | I am still not used to the keys on the n770 perhaps there also must be stylus control | 17:14 |
| tigert | one coud do a usb gyro box controller :) | 17:17 |
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| inz | What, OSS version of across / elastomania | 17:18 |
| inz | yay! | 17:18 |
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| inz | feh, xmoto is only in edgy repos, and installing it from there would require downloading ~90 M of updates... | 17:21 |
| keesj | yes , an elastomania clone , but very good:) , and with online highscores and daily a few new levels | 17:21 |
| keesj | the "original" xmoto uses opengl ,I am converting it to SDL_gfx | 17:22 |
| keesj | inz, edgy == debian unstable? | 17:23 |
| inz | keesj, nope, debian unstable is always sid, edgy is ubuntu 6.10 | 17:25 |
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| inz | keesj, if you were thinking debian testing, that is etch; close but not quite =) | 17:26 |
| bhima | It looks like my second RS-MMC card has died. | 17:27 |
| inz | *sniff* | 17:27 |
| * inz suggests one minute of silence in memory of bhima's second RS-MMC. | 17:27 | |
| keesj | does mmc have the same problems as flash memory. The problem being that you can not write endlessly to the device? | 17:28 |
| keesj | oops | 17:28 |
| * bhima duct tapes keesj's mouth shut. | 17:28 | |
| inz | he ruineds it! (stupid hobbit ;) | 17:29 |
| bhima | (inz/#maemo) he ruineds it! (stupid hobbit ;) | 17:29 |
| bhima | <keesj> oops | 17:29 |
| bhima | inz: what are you doing differently from keesj? | 17:30 |
| inz | bhima, i'm just cooler than he is | 17:30 |
| inz | (in other words, I've no idea) | 17:30 |
| bhima | keesj: MMC is an interface standard; flash is a type of memory storage technology. | 17:31 |
| bhima | The card in question is a 512MB flash RS-MMC card. | 17:31 |
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| keesj | I just wondered why it was possible to use swap on the MMC , bug I guess that while it's possible it's still not recomnmended? | 17:32 |
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| bhima | Define "recommended"? | 17:33 |
| inz | MMC should do some wear leveling, and the amount of rewrites isn't that small after all | 17:33 |
| bhima | By the time it fails, will the card you killed be worth so little that you truly don't care? | 17:33 |
| inz | And it's better to do swapping on MMC than on internal flash | 17:33 |
| part | if you want to run any really memory hungry applications, then you really should use swap | 17:33 |
| inz | Replacing a MMC is easier (and cheaper) | 17:34 |
| inz | +n | 17:34 |
| tigert | coolyou really want to swap to mmc. its a lot betters | 17:34 |
| keesj | oke , so it's a non issue | 17:35 |
| inz | keesj, the card _will_ die eventually, but it's still worth it =) | 17:35 |
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| keesj | We all will die , lets hope it was all worth it | 17:36 |
| inz | indeed | 17:36 |
| keesj | apart from a few lame bots | 17:37 |
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| bhima | I would not suggest running swap if you'd cry if the card died. OTOH, warranty. | 17:41 |
| bhima | I've nver seen a "no swap" condition on warranties. | 17:41 |
| bhima | I'd still like to find a description of the algorithms used for wear levelling. | 17:42 |
| bhima | WIth 'perfect' wear levelling, a small swapfile on a large flash card would be much better. | 17:42 |
| bhima | But, writing to the same file over and over seems like a very degenerate case. | 17:43 |
| bhima | So it's also plausible that the wear levelling algorithms do poorly with swap. | 17:44 |
| bhima | I have no RS-MMC and I want to do a backup of my device before I reflash it with the newest release. What's the easiest way to do that now? | 17:46 |
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| inz | morning! | 17:49 |
| bhima | mourning. For my card. | 17:49 |
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| _follower_ | well, night alll.... | 18:14 |
| bhima | Guten abent. | 18:14 |
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| AD-N770 | do you know which profiler tool can be used in Maemo ? | 18:42 |
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| bedboi | hi tehre | 19:09 |
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| dwd | AD-N770: I use the wall-mounted analogue hardware profiling support device, personally. | 19:27 |
| inz | bergie, how's brazil? | 19:28 |
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| bedboi | anyone is from Helsinki? | 19:33 |
| part | someone is from Helsinki | 19:35 |
| Juhaz | about half a million people are from Helsinki | 19:36 |
| bhima | I'm fairly certain that there are many people from Helsinki. | 19:36 |
| bhima | Only a very, very small percentage of them are on #maemo, though. | 19:36 |
| bedboi | ehhehe... | 19:36 |
| bedboi | anyone here? | 19:36 |
| bedboi | my advisor has to come there and would like to know what's the best between two hotels :) | 19:37 |
| bhima | Nope, nobody here. | 19:37 |
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| bhima | Oh, anybody who is from Helsinki, and is awake, and is on this channel? :) | 19:37 |
| Juhaz | why would the locals know about hotels? they don't need to live in them | 19:37 |
| bhima | I'm sorry. I shouldn't make fun of non-native english speakers. You guys are better than a fair number of natives. :) | 19:38 |
| glass | naming the hotels would be good for fishing opinions about them | 19:38 |
| part | bhima: shoot, we might know about the hotels | 19:38 |
| part | glass: speculating about the issue is more fun than actually dealing with it | 19:39 |
| part | off to see a movie, can't answer to any questions about hotels | 19:43 |
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| bergie_ | bhima: what kind of accommodation are you looking for in Helsinki? | 20:03 |
| bergie_ | I'm not there at the moment but might know some options :-) | 20:03 |
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| bhima | I wasn't looking. I was offering useless suggestions. | 20:05 |
| bedboi | bergie_: do you know "Scandic Continental" and "Sokos Hotel " ? | 20:06 |
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| bergie_ | bedboi: Yeah... Continental is short tram trip from center, and Sokos Hotel is right in the center | 20:07 |
| bergie_ | both are on the slightly expensive side, I believe | 20:07 |
| bedboi | yep, i know, but it's form my advisor, i think the university will pay :) | 20:07 |
| bergie_ | what are you going to do in Helsinki? That could affect the hotel recommendation | 20:07 |
| bedboi | s/form/for | 20:07 |
| bergie_ | aha, then they're ok :-) | 20:08 |
| bedboi | ehehe, what would you suggest? | 20:08 |
| bedboi | maybe the one in the center is better | 20:08 |
| bedboi | bencer: what's abs(temperature) there? | 20:08 |
| bedboi | today it is +20 here :) | 20:09 |
| bhima | abs? Is that actually what you want? | 20:09 |
| bedboi | the temperature :) | 20:10 |
| Juhaz | http://www.fmi.fi/saa/paikalli.html?Keywords=&kunta=Helsinki | 20:10 |
| bedboi | not that bad. | 20:11 |
| Juhaz | it's pretty warm right now, but could easily drop by ten or more degrees within a week | 20:11 |
| bedboi | helsinki has a bad reputation about that. | 20:11 |
| bedboi | ah, that's cool | 20:11 |
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| bedboi | Juhaz: i won't call +5 "warm" :) | 20:13 |
| bedboi | in my scale i would call it "freezing-ass-temperature" | 20:13 |
| Tak | did somebody already ask here about the gtk spinbuttons? | 20:14 |
| Tak | 5C isn't too bad | 20:14 |
| bedboi | ehehe | 20:14 |
| bedboi | :) | 20:14 |
| bedboi | Tak: this morning i was with t-shirt | 20:14 |
| bedboi | (+20 C) | 20:14 |
| Juhaz | well, so would I, but everything's relative, it's warm for Finnish winter weather | 20:14 |
| bedboi | yep, i can agree | 20:15 |
| Tak | gtk spinbuttons? ugly? anyone? | 20:17 |
| inz | bergie, de.linkm.newsticker's reply to invalid password is not too good | 20:24 |
| bergie_ | inz: aha... let me know how to tune it | 20:24 |
| bhima | Is it like Microsoft Bob, which asked you if your forgot your password? | 20:24 |
| bergie_ | not for de.linkm.newsticker, though, as that is a deprecated component | 20:25 |
| bergie_ | but for the new implementation | 20:25 |
| inz | bergie, at least my installation gave me a xml-rpc server error | 20:25 |
| bergie_ | ok | 20:25 |
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| inz | bergie, whereas it should give a xmlrpc fault response, with code 403 | 20:25 |
| inz | +n | 20:25 |
| bergie_ | yep, probably | 20:26 |
| bergie_ | the xml-rpc stuff there was quite badly written | 20:26 |
| bergie_ | it was initially just a proof-of-concept that then stayed | 20:26 |
| inz | Have not yet implemented error checking, but it'd be easier to say what's wrong, if there's some reasonable reply from the server | 20:27 |
| inz | Yeah, I know about those | 20:27 |
| inz | Like maemo.blog's UI =) | 20:27 |
| bergie_ | ;-) | 20:27 |
| bergie_ | that was in any case why torben deprecated the whole d.l.newsticker component and wrote n.n.blog to replace it | 20:27 |
| inz | bergie, btw, http://maemo-hackers.org/attachment/wiki/MaemoBlog/maemo-blog-icon.png?format=raw | 20:29 |
| inz | I've ported metaWeblog API to libsoup instead of xmlrpc too. | 20:29 |
| inz | Had to manually insert Expect: 100-continue header to get large images to midgard | 20:30 |
| inz | With wordpress the uploads worked without it too. | 20:30 |
| inz | Network sniffers are friends =) | 20:30 |
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| mgedmin | regarding rumours about the nokia 770 successor, does anyone know if a miniSD slot accepts RS-MMC cards? | 20:45 |
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| koen | mgedmin: minisd is 1/5th of rs-mmc | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | I know that SD readers accept MMC cards, and I know that SD and miniSD only differ in size, but have the same connector; which is the same relationship that MMC and RS-MMC have | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | koen: there's miniSD and microSD | 20:46 |
| koen | D'oh | 20:46 |
| koen | stupid SD cards | 20:46 |
| * koen votes for using CF | 20:47 | |
| mgedmin | "Mini SD cards are the same width as standard SD cards but are only half as long. They use the same connector as standard SD cards, but you will need an adapter to use them in devices that take standard SD cards." -- http://www.mobiletechreview.com/tips/ATP.htm | 20:48 |
| spaetz | …we want Suse Linux to have the highest percent share of that, because only a customer who has Suse Linux actually has paid properly for the use of intellectual property from Microsoft…†| 20:52 |
| spaetz | oops, wrong channel. sorry :-) | 20:52 |
| mlpug | MS is really trying to stop Linux. Full force. I hope its not enough | 20:53 |
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| spaetz | I thought they would be smarter, instead of pulling of the threatening noises themselves | 20:55 |
| spaetz | err, ignore my bad wording. | 20:55 |
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| bergie | inz: nice | 20:58 |
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| bergie | inz: You want Midgard to send the header? | 20:59 |
| tigert | hi bergie | 20:59 |
| tigert | how is the sunny weather? ;) | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | spaetz: they tried that with SCO, through an intermediary -- didn't quite work out | 21:00 |
| bergie | tigert: I just burnt myself in Paraguay | 21:02 |
| tigert | sounds boring ;) | 21:05 |
| bergie | tomorrow we go to see the iguassu falls: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iguazu_Falls | 21:06 |
| tigert | ok,phone battery is giving up, later :) | 21:06 |
| tigert | crappy electricity | 21:06 |
| tigert | later! | 21:06 |
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| ||cw | saw a new device on engadget that was a crank powered flashlight with plugs on it for charging various cell phones | 21:10 |
| ||cw | somehting like 30 seconds of cranking gets you 2 minutes talk time | 21:11 |
| rev | huh | 21:12 |
| rev | neat | 21:12 |
| rev | that'd be better than my solar charger for my PDAs | 21:12 |
| ||cw | and it would work in the dark too :D | 21:12 |
| rev | indeed | 21:12 |
| rev | i'd rather crank for 15 minutes to get an hour of use | 21:13 |
| rev | i mean | 21:13 |
| rev | i'm sure talk time != use of a PDA | 21:13 |
| ||cw | depends on phone | 21:13 |
| rev | the PDA time might take less power, even... as i'm assuming no wifi | 21:13 |
| rev | doing either development or ebook/offline page reading | 21:13 |
| ||cw | most only have 2-3 hours talk time, and most pda's have 2-3 hours run time | 21:13 |
| rev | yeah | 21:13 |
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| rev | but those cell phones have smaller batteries for that time use, no? | 21:14 |
| rev | generally? | 21:14 |
| ||cw | and smaller screens | 21:14 |
| rev | yeah | 21:15 |
| ||cw | i see what you mean though, would take more cranking for hte same run time for a pda | 21:15 |
| rev | though, i tend to get a lot more than the 3-4 claimed hours on my nokia 770 | 21:15 |
| glass | those cranked chargers for cellphones have been around for 10 years or so | 21:15 |
| rev | but i mostly am reading ebooks and programming, which is mostly low-cpu | 21:15 |
| rev | and i always run at the lowest or second-to-lowest screen brightness | 21:16 |
| suihkulokki | rev: 3-4h is the figure with wifi on | 21:17 |
| rev | suihkulokki: that's what i figured | 21:17 |
| rev | suihkulokki: but still, i've been impressed with my largely non-wifi usage | 21:17 |
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| ||cw | hm, cna't find it now, not sure what was special about this one | 21:18 |
| ||cw | maybe just that it comes with a handfull of charger plugs, and probably an ipod plug as well | 21:19 |
| ||cw | engadget's a sucker for anything ipod | 21:19 |
| glass | all the crank chargers tend to come with a nokia plug and then a bunch of converters to other phones from the nokia plug | 21:19 |
| glass | handy if you got a non nokia.. | 21:20 |
| glass | easier to find nokia chargers lying around than say siemens... | 21:21 |
| bergie | ||cw: have an URL? I saw that gadget in Tbilisi airport a while ago but for some reason didn't buy it and have been regretting that | 21:21 |
| rev | glass: my cellphone just has a mini usb plug... who don't other phones just use that? | 21:21 |
| ||cw | and in 3 years I've somehow managed to kill 4 motorola chargers | 21:22 |
| ||cw | bergie: can't find it | 21:22 |
| * mgedmin was initially disappointed that you cannot charge the 770 from usb | 21:22 | |
| glass | rev: no idea. except being properiaty for the sake of being properiaty | 21:22 |
| ||cw | rev: more and more are, the razr does, and the HTC's | 21:22 |
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| rev | ||cw: yeah, my phone is one of those HTC-based PPC-6700s | 21:23 |
| bergie | ||cw: that one I saw wasn't any of these, but: http://www.amazon.com/Campo-Crank-Flashlight-Phone-Charger/dp/B000FRZ8XM http://www.amazon.com/Highgear-SmartDynamo-Flashlight-Emergency-Charging/dp/B000FYZQMS | 21:24 |
| bergie | it was this one: http://www.sharperimagebest.com/lt208.html | 21:27 |
| bergie | though having the screwdrivers there would make it troublesome for air travel these days | 21:28 |
| bergie | at least the last time I tried to fly with tools the security had me throw the tools away | 21:28 |
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| ||cw | this one was white | 21:30 |
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| bergie | ||cw: anyway, this would make 770 even handier travel computer | 21:31 |
| ||cw | haha http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/10/macbooks-isight-unknowingly-photographs-apple-repair-center/ | 21:31 |
| buck68 | q: anyone know why the 2.1 developer rootfs appears to be missing from maemo.org? ... http://www.maemo.org//downloads/d1.php appears to be a zero length file... | 21:32 |
| bergie | my dream travel computer would have some of the GeoClue stuff we're though about like automatically populating Wikipedia pages nearby to Maemo Mapper Points-of-Interest | 21:32 |
| bergie | and bunch of improvements (easy image handling, better formatting, offline support/draft saving) for Maemo Blog | 21:33 |
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| bergie | inz: regarding the maemo blog icon... looks nice, but I'm not so keen on having words in icons | 21:51 |
| inz | bergie, tigert's responsible for the icon | 21:58 |
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| Veggen | hmm. why does my 770 crash when I update maemo-launcher? | 22:56 |
| rev | hmm, good question! | 22:56 |
| kaatis | Veggen, it's a launcher which starts other apps. afaik when it's stopped for upgrade also the apps it started are killed | 22:59 |
| Veggen | i guessed so...but, can I update it? ;) | 23:00 |
| Veggen | hm. Maybe I'll have to ssh in. | 23:00 |
| inz | Veggen, you need to disable lifeguard restarts with flasher to upgrade maemo-launcher | 23:02 |
| kaatis | Veggen, if you already have the latest image you shouldn't need to upgrade maemo-launcher | 23:06 |
| Veggen | well. I do, but there came a new one in the repository. | 23:07 |
| kaatis | Veggen, the repository version doesn't contain anything except a small patch for scratchbox/qemu | 23:08 |
| tko | hmm, did ferenc (or anyone) announce the meeting we had beforehand? or was the first hint "we're doing this thing right now" ? | 23:09 |
| koen | tko: "about to start", or something in that spirit | 23:09 |
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| tko | I'd think it would be better to announce such thing at least a day beforehand, and looking at the backlog, keep the minutes on a different channel | 23:10 |
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