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| shapr | hoi koen, hoe gaat het? | 01:41 |
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| shapr | tko_: hey, how'd you like the HaskellDemo? Any questions? | 01:47 |
| bhima | Wow. I now have Apache running on my s60 cellphone. | 02:06 |
| shapr | cool | 02:06 |
| bhima | It handles python server pages, as well as WebDav. | 02:07 |
| bhima | Interesting. Apparently, webdav actually still executes the server pages code stuff. | 02:10 |
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| Nwallins | is http://maemo.org/downloads/d3.php supposed to be a blank page? | 03:41 |
| Nwallins | anyone have a URL to download flasher for linux? | 03:50 |
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| Nwallins | FYI: tried to use the Windows Installer with an image I had already downloaded from: http://www.maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770.php?f=SU-18_2006SE_2.2006.39-14_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin | 04:09 |
| Nwallins | The windows installer caused my 770 reboot and update failed | 04:10 |
| Nwallins | retried windows installer and let it download the new image, instead of using the one I already downloaded. it seems to be working now | 04:10 |
| shapr | Good solution | 04:26 |
| Nwallins | I think my 770 is still in dev mode or something.. with the green text on boot. should I revert to normal, and how? | 04:31 |
| Nwallins | ah yes, R&D mode... reading on wiki | 04:33 |
| Nwallins | can I disable R&D mode on 2006 without the linux flasher? is there a working URL for linux flasher? | 04:36 |
| shapr | The url given on the wiki for the linux flasher works for me. | 04:59 |
| shapr | I only use Linux, so no clue about non-linux flasher use. | 04:59 |
| shapr | I sort of wish my 770 had a dock for charging and usb/sound connection. | 04:59 |
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| Nwallins | shapr: is this the url you see on the wiki? http://maemo.org/downloads/d3.php | 05:11 |
| Nwallins | because that url points to a blank page | 05:14 |
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| tanthalas | hmm, does anyone know of a good set of instructions for recompiling/reinstalling the kernel on a Nokia 770 (or similar device) ? | 07:26 |
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| tanthalas | nevermind, found the wiki page :D | 07:50 |
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| spaetz | shapr: I wished I could do charging through the USB cable | 10:28 |
| spaetz | doesn't make sense to have an additional cable/charger | 10:28 |
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| florian_kc | good morning | 11:50 |
| tigert | heya | 11:56 |
| florian_kc | hi tigert + | 11:57 |
| koen | heh | 11:59 |
| koen | "Maemo is ultra-cool" | 11:59 |
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| tigert | heh, yay for test content :)= | 12:04 |
| inz | tigert, lipsum.com?-) | 12:13 |
| tigert | yea | 12:21 |
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| tigert | :) | 12:30 |
| koen | heh | 12:31 |
| koen | http://test.maemo.org/community/getting-involved/ | 12:31 |
| koen | that says it all about maemo and the community | 12:31 |
| koen | "Access denied" | 12:31 |
| Fatal | hahaha | 12:31 |
| Robot101 | ROFLMAO | 12:31 |
| Fatal | that's the most omnious 403 i've seen in a while | 12:32 |
| koen | Did david whinerhall make that site? | 12:32 |
| dape | pretty cms | 12:37 |
| dape | now let's add contents ;) | 12:37 |
| MDK | tko_: there is a "recontruct" tool already | 12:44 |
| MDK | it's in hildon-theme-tools | 12:44 |
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| tigert | MDK: tko only ircs from home :\ | 13:09 |
| tigert | so he wont see your message until later :) | 13:09 |
| tigert | koen: yea, the site is in progress :) | 13:11 |
| tigert | koen: if you want to contribute, please get yourself a garage account and request to join the "maemo2midgard" project | 13:12 |
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| MDK | heh, guess I need to move my ass 5meters to tko's office | 13:21 |
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| ferenc | hello | 15:28 |
| koen | hey ferenc | 15:29 |
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| florian_kc | hi ferenc | 15:32 |
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| waite | Hi all. I am string to bring to life the Maemo Traffic newsletter. What places should I keep an eye out to report on? So Far I figure maemo-developers, IRC, http://planet.maemo.org/, and http://www.nokia770.com/ | 15:46 |
| ferenc | waite: cool. i think it would be time for us to host online meetings. | 15:48 |
| waite | ferenc, I like the idea. I have found the time can be difficult to arrrrange tho | 15:48 |
| ferenc | e.g. we will have an internal meetings every 2nd Friday. part of that should be done in the open. | 15:48 |
| Veggen | btw, anyone tried porting for example ekiga? | 15:48 |
| Veggen | shouldn't be *too* hard, right? | 15:49 |
| waite | ferenc, I apologize for being new and not knowing the poeople here. Are you at Nokia? | 15:49 |
| ferenc | waite: i raise the topic again on Friday and keep the community posted. | 15:49 |
| ferenc | waite: yes I am. | 15:49 |
| waite | great, just getting some bearings | 15:49 |
| ferenc | :) | 15:50 |
| _follower_ | waite: maybe internettablettalk.com? (or whatever the address is) | 15:50 |
| waite | It would be great to put into play some part of the meetings being open. | 15:50 |
| ferenc | waite: Carlos had an action point back from guadec 2006 regarding these online meetings. | 15:50 |
| waite | I wonder how nice it would be to use Google Talk or Gizmo (IE defaults 770 apps to run the meetings | 15:51 |
| ferenc | tko_ or tigert might also remember that | 15:51 |
| ferenc | waite: we have a small connectivity issue here at the company, so for instance being here is tricky ;) | 15:52 |
| waite | That would make the meetings really accessible to people. | 15:52 |
| waite | hehehe. I guess you need to move the meetings to the coffee house down the road | 15:52 |
| ferenc | not a bad idea! | 15:52 |
| waite | Free wifi + a bunch of 770s. | 15:52 |
| ferenc | hmm, i wonder if we have such place nearby... | 15:53 |
| ferenc | but anyways, we should be able to sort this out | 15:53 |
| waite | I bet we'd get even MORE bugs fixed if you had to eat your own cooking just to get work done :) | 15:53 |
| waite | cool | 15:53 |
| Tak | I think there would be zero bugs fixed and several deaths from food poisoning | 15:54 |
| part | ferenc: there's free wireless at the shopping mall | 15:54 |
| waite | ferenc, if you know the garage admins, can you have them expidite the creationn of the maemotraffic project reqeuest? | 15:55 |
| part | Veggen: I don't think anyone has tried porting ekiga | 15:55 |
| _follower_ | Tak: heh :-D | 15:55 |
| ferenc | waite: i know them quite well ;) | 15:56 |
| ferenc | waite: wait a sec and I will approve the project | 15:56 |
| waite | wink ,wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean, know what I mean | 15:56 |
| ferenc | part: cool. and there is also a nice coffee shop.. | 15:57 |
| inz | nice in totally non-Amsterdamish way ;P | 15:58 |
| ferenc | not really | 15:58 |
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| Veggen | part: and is there any reason? ui-wise, I think it should be quite straightforward, no? (ekiga) | 16:00 |
| Veggen | Might have a go myself, unless someone has looked at it and said that it can't be done or something ;-) (I'm not a gtk programmer, really) | 16:01 |
| waite | Veggan, I would love to see a sip client. I don't have tons of time to help but I can beta test :) | 16:02 |
| koen | what are the benefits of ekigo over telepathy? | 16:02 |
| koen | didn't the tapioca dudes add sip support to it? | 16:02 |
| Veggen | hmm, yes, but it's not in the maemo version so far, is it? | 16:03 |
| Tak | looking at the screenshots, I don't see why ekiga would be difficult | 16:03 |
| Veggen | Tak: exactly. | 16:03 |
| waite | koen. Does telepathy and a client exist for the 770? | 16:04 |
| koen | telepathy is already installed by default | 16:04 |
| koen | anything using ptlib should be shot on sight | 16:05 |
| Veggen | well, yes, but can tapioca and/or telepathy do SIP, yet? | 16:05 |
| waite | Looks like we need sofia-sip library to so sip on telepathy. I know that others have gotten sofia-sip CLI to work | 16:06 |
| waite | From http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ | 16:07 |
| waite | Telepathy-SIP: A partially implemented SIP connection manager implementation using the sofia-sip library. | 16:07 |
| waite | Well now sofia-sip have a Gaim plugin | 16:08 |
| Veggen | Why isn't there source packages on application catalog? | 16:08 |
| Veggen | I'd really like to sometimes just drop in a new version of the software and recompile the package... | 16:09 |
| part | koen: ekiga is sip, google talk is jabber | 16:09 |
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| koen | part: where did I say 'google talk'? | 16:16 |
| part | koen: the stuff for 770 is google talk | 16:18 |
| koen | I know, but telepathy isn't limited to that | 16:18 |
| part | no, the applications are | 16:19 |
| koen | but the framework is there | 16:19 |
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| koen | so no need to go through all seven layers of hell to compile ekiga, ptlib, openh323, etc | 16:20 |
| ferenc | waite: i could be one of the 'victims' who review the newsletters | 16:20 |
| waite | Sure. | 16:20 |
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| ferenc | waite: these guys could perhaps join your garage project | 16:21 |
| waite | ferenc, can you send me a mail so I can keep a list of email addies | 16:21 |
| ferenc | i will join your garage project | 16:21 |
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| waite | ferenc, Perfect | 16:22 |
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| ferenc | waite: well, i guess I hit yet a gforge bug. I am a garage admin and Gforge tells me that I'm already member of the project and can not join, by clicking the "Join the project" link | 16:24 |
| ferenc | waite: you could add me manually, my nick at garage is 'feri' | 16:24 |
| waite | ferenc, done. That is one cool bug | 16:24 |
| waite | Got to love SQL voodoo | 16:25 |
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| X-Fade | ferenc: Can you update test.maemo.org with the maemo2midgard svn? :) | 16:27 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: just a sec | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: No hurry :) | 16:29 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: done. what are the visible changes? | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: IE and 770 fixes. | 16:33 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: OK | 16:34 |
| X-Fade | The menu now fits the sceen in normal-mode on 770. | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | *screen | 16:36 |
| ferenc | great | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: Do you think we can make the sidebar in style-init.php only visible if there is 'navi-sub' data? | 16:39 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: fine by me, but I'd like tigert to comment on it as well. | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: He would like that too :) | 16:41 |
| ferenc | :) I am convienced then | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: But I guess it would require some template foo. | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: We discussed that already yesterday :) | 16:41 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: hmm... our midgard guru (bergie) is away now | 16:43 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 16:43 |
| ferenc | could you pls drop and email to the discussion list (garage) ? | 16:43 |
| ferenc | morning Jaffa | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: ok. | 16:46 |
| ferenc | bbl | 16:58 |
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| dape | ey | 17:06 |
| dape | does anybody know where can I find the free personalization tool that's (broken) linked in customization tutorial? | 17:07 |
| dwd | waite: You're the weekly news guy, right? I can do some editorial (on good days when I'm not swamped). | 17:07 |
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| Jaffa | waite: on MWN, I'd suggest not bothering with nokia770.com since it's syndicated on planet.maemo.org as well. Also, I'd second monitoring the InternetTabletTalk.com forums - lots of interesting stuff in there; finally, I can do proof reading too (although like dwd says, depends on swampedness ;-)) | 17:13 |
| _follower_ | waite: heh, a mere 2 hours later and you're already the "weekly news guy" :-) | 17:15 |
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| dwd | _follower_: Oh, I've a handful of questions about your python deb stuff, by the way. | 17:16 |
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| _follower_ | dwd: ask away... :-) | 17:16 |
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| dwd | _follower_: Firstly, the packages claim to take up 0k once installed. | 17:16 |
| _follower_ | yes, i think i noticed that. | 17:17 |
| dwd | _follower_: Secondly, try as I might, I can't get the pretty icons for the packages to work. | 17:17 |
| _follower_ | i think the 0k that's part of the figure is because there's no meta-data for the size, but i could be wrong. | 17:17 |
| _follower_ | i have to admit i haven't tried with custom icons. | 17:18 |
| _follower_ | were you copying the stuff listed in the python/maemo tute? | 17:18 |
| dwd | _follower_: Yep. I'm a past master at cut'n'paste. | 17:19 |
| _follower_ | aren't we all :-) | 17:19 |
| dwd | _follower_: It ends up in the Packages.* files in the repository, and appears to be uncorrupted, but the Application Manager isn't displaying them. | 17:20 |
| dwd | _follower_: I've probably introduced a silly typo, but I can't see what. I admit to not being all that bothered. :-) | 17:20 |
| _follower_ | you could try copying and pasting from one of these (if they work): http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=XB-Maemo-Icon | 17:23 |
| _follower_ | i'd be inclined to try to find a working example and work backwars. | 17:23 |
| _follower_ | *backwards | 17:23 |
| dwd | _follower_: Not a bad idea. I was going to look at the Packages* files for a working repository, and see what they look like. | 17:23 |
| _follower_ | i also must admit to not having been so concerned that i've looked into the whole icon thing much | 17:24 |
| _follower_ | dwd: also a good thought. | 17:24 |
| waite | dwd, Can you send me an email with a good email addie to send to you and a garage login if you have it | 17:24 |
| _follower_ | i did notice that when I was using the "long description" field it seemed to be a bit picky. | 17:24 |
| waite | Jaffa, Sounds good Ill look at internattablet talk | 17:24 |
| _follower_ | the other thing to try is to fun the command-line tool that lists the package metadata. | 17:25 |
| _follower_ | and see what it coughs up. | 17:25 |
| dwd | waite: dave@cridland.net and I don't have one. (Maybe I should) | 17:25 |
| waite | NP. I will give editors write access to the SVN repo but I can accept corrections via email also | 17:26 |
| _follower_ | dwd: so have you been using the bdist_maemo code? has it worked for you apart from the issues you've listed? | 17:26 |
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| dwd | _follower_: Kind of. I'm the one whose blog you muttered on - I've built stuff around the arfile/debfile to package Python modules. | 17:27 |
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| _follower_ | i just realised that--i googled your name and went "hmmm..." when i saw a reference to isode :-) | 17:28 |
| dwd | _follower_: Why the "hmmm..." about Isode? | 17:28 |
| _follower_ | as in, "that name sounds familiar".. | 17:29 |
| _follower_ | not, "hmmm, those are a pack of dodgy..." :-D | 17:29 |
| _follower_ | ah, i just re-read your blog post which had your reply. i think i lost the page when i had a browser crash... | 17:31 |
| _follower_ | ...so i had missed your response. | 17:31 |
| dwd | _follower_: Isode appears in your /etc/services file, amongst other places. It's one of the few companies still involved in the OSI standards, but we also do high-end Internet servers. | 17:32 |
| _follower_ | yeah, i need to patch the bdist_maemo to do more copying of stuff--i need to be motivated by needing the functionality myself first. :-) | 17:32 |
| * dwd notes that in the Packages.gz file for the Maemo repo, it's "Maemo-Icon-26:", whereas I have "xb-maemo-icon-26:". Hmmm. | 17:33 | |
| _follower_ | dwd: it was only familiar to me because i'd remembered reading about them on your blog.... | 17:33 |
| _follower_ | it's a very real possibility that the tute is out of date | 17:34 |
| _follower_ | waite: hee, hee so via the mailing list you've just got your third suggestion for itt.com :-) | 17:35 |
| _follower_ | dwd: although the samples from the google code search all use XB-*, i noticed the tuner app is listed, it might be worth looking there. | 17:35 |
| waite | I am going to follow it :) | 17:36 |
| dwd | _follower_: I'm just ripping apart one of the packages which has a working Icon. | 17:36 |
| waite | Just lurking now. | 17:36 |
| dwd | _follower_: And it uses Maemo-Icon-26: | 17:36 |
| dwd | Ho hum. | 17:36 |
| _follower_ | dwd: "ripping apart" ==> "oh the huge manatee!" | 17:37 |
| _follower_ | so, does yours work if you change it? | 17:37 |
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| dwd | _follower_: Well, that's the next thing to try, yes. | 17:37 |
| _follower_ | sorry, i realise i was stating the obvious :-) | 17:38 |
| dwd | _follower_: And yes, that seems to work fine. | 17:41 |
| dwd | _follower_: So http://svn.dave.cridland.net/svn/projects/infotrope/polymer-gtk/debfile.py might be useful to you. | 17:42 |
| _follower_ | interesting. perhaps a follow-up email to the list to see if it's officially documented? | 17:42 |
| _follower_ | ah.... | 17:43 |
| _follower_ | found it | 17:43 |
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| _follower_ | http://maemo.org/lxr/source/osso-application-installer/doc/packaging.txt | 17:43 |
| _follower_ | "Icons are included in the control information of a package as a | 17:43 |
| _follower_ | 137 base64 encoded field named "Maemo-Icon-26"." | 17:43 |
| _follower_ | "The way to get these fields into your .deb files is to include them | 17:43 |
| _follower_ | 165 with a "XB-" prefix in your debian/control file, see the Debian Policy | 17:43 |
| _follower_ | 166 Manual, section 5.7." | 17:43 |
| _follower_ | bah, what crappy copy & paste... | 17:44 |
| dwd | So the tutorial's out of date? | 17:44 |
| _follower_ | anyway, it seems the "XB" prefix is for the debian build tool | 17:44 |
| _follower_ | so the tute is correct | 17:44 |
| dwd | Oh... Yes, that makes sense. | 17:44 |
| _follower_ | it does now :-) | 17:44 |
| _follower_ | well, that's helpful to know. | 17:46 |
| _follower_ | it's a bit of a pain the python tute isn't wikified | 17:46 |
| _follower_ | (and another reason why it would be handy to have downloadable versions of the files referenced) | 17:47 |
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| _follower_ | dwd: sorry, flakey connection... | 17:56 |
| dwd | _follower_: We'd best stop talking about you behind your back, then. :-) | 17:57 |
| _follower_ | that's what the logs are for :-) | 18:01 |
| _follower_ | dwd: i've added a link to your version in the bugzilla entry for bdist_maemo so i don't forget it :-) | 18:03 |
| _follower_ | thanks for the link | 18:03 |
| dwd | _follower_: NP. There's other stuff there, including (in the setup.py, I think) stuff to put a "deb" format into bdist_dumb, if that's useful. | 18:03 |
| _follower_ | could you humour me and suggest the benefit to doing that? :-) | 18:05 |
| dwd | _follower_: I'm sure it had a point at the time I wrote it. :-) | 18:05 |
| _follower_ | i think i noticed it when i was looking through your code the other day and decided it was just a different way of implementing the same functionality... | 18:08 |
| dwd | _follower_: Oh, no, it's much better. Must be, because I wrote it. | 18:08 |
| _follower_ | :-P | 18:08 |
| _follower_ | i'd definitely be keen to get bdist_maemo to a point where you don't find it necessary to keep a separate version... | 18:08 |
| _follower_ | so if you wanted to add issues to that bugzilla entry i'd appreciate it... | 18:09 |
| dwd | _follower_: Oh, I remember now. It was to work around making bdist_maemo do packages and suchlike. If I wrapped it into bdist_dumb, then I ended up solving the problem of writing debfiles instead of trying to work out what needed to be in them. | 18:09 |
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| _follower_ | ah, i think i follow... btw what platform are you doing this on? | 18:11 |
| dwd | _follower_: Ironically, Ubuntu. I've full scratchbox and all, I just can't be bothered jumping through the hoops that dpkg requires. (Like having a changelog, etc) | 18:12 |
| _follower_ | heh... | 18:13 |
| _follower_ | incidentally, what version of ubuntu are you using. i'm still trying to work out how best to set up a VM machine with scrathbox in it and have some ubuntu cds handy... | 18:13 |
| dwd | Erm. Dapper. I think. | 18:15 |
| _follower_ | that's like 5.X? | 18:15 |
| dwd | 6.06 | 18:15 |
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| _follower_ | i can never keep up with the name/number combos. :-) | 18:16 |
| dwd | _follower_: Me neither. :-) | 18:16 |
| _follower_ | cool, ok, well, thanks for the feedback. i need to head off and get some zzz... | 18:16 |
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| tko | I for one welcome our new weekly news overlords | 19:41 |
| koen | all hail the weekly issues overlord tko | 19:41 |
| tko | gah. and I was so hoping someone else would be willing to take over :) | 19:43 |
| Tak | 1) Create weekly news 2) ??? 3) profit! | 19:43 |
| roope | weekly news for great success. | 19:43 |
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| waite | all your news are belong to us | 20:08 |
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| tko | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/101611.aspx | 20:15 |
| tko | augh | 20:15 |
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| bhima | oops. re. | 20:26 |
| sp3000 | so that's what return_true_24() does | 20:28 |
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| inz | sp3000, it's one of (at least) 24 functions, that may -- or may not -- return true, in various ways | 22:58 |
| waite | returns true iff char(a) == 'x' | 22:59 |
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