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| AD-N770 | do you know if there is a package with oprofile ? | 00:22 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:11 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:15 |
| inz | morn | 11:24 |
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| Jaffa | In the SDK should apt-get distupgrade work to go from mistral to scirocco? | 11:42 |
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| inz | Jaffa, you can try, just take a copy with cp -ax of the /scratcbox/users/<username>/targets/<targetname>, copy and alter the config file where appropriate | 11:56 |
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| part | Jaffa: afaik it should | 12:41 |
| roope | http://www.olive.us/p_bin/?cid=control | 12:53 |
| Jaffa | part: does seem to be working, yeah | 13:01 |
| Jaffa | roope: nice | 13:01 |
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| ferenc | hello | 13:12 |
| koen | hey ferenc | 13:13 |
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| florian_kc | hi ferenc | 13:41 |
| X-Fade | tigert: the margins of the breadcrumbs on test.maemo.org don't look ok? | 13:56 |
| ferenc | hi florian_kc | 13:59 |
| ferenc | X-Fade: yes, TigerT keeps on breaking the style ;) | 13:59 |
| X-Fade | ferenc: Hehe ;) | 14:00 |
| tigert | X-Fade: yea, its broken now | 14:00 |
| X-Fade | Don't try to look at the application catalog in IE also.. | 14:00 |
| tigert | I just made so many changes I wanted to commit and fix later :) | 14:00 |
| X-Fade | Something is really wrong there.. | 14:00 |
| tigert | X-Fade: will check | 14:00 |
| X-Fade | I guess you should float:left that div. | 14:00 |
| X-Fade | And maybe specify a width. | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | The apps page has some broken styles too now (dotted line down the middle) | 14:02 |
| tigert | X-Fade: want commit access? | 14:02 |
| tigert | it's ok if you want | 14:02 |
| tigert | if you dont have a garage account, create one, and then join the "maemo2midgard" project | 14:03 |
| tigert | theres a lot of stuff to test and for different browsers etc and help would be nice | 14:03 |
| tigert | also my css is rusty | 14:03 |
| X-Fade | tigert: I submitted my request. | 14:04 |
| tigert | X-Fade: okay | 14:08 |
| tigert | so you need to tell us when you have made changes, | 14:08 |
| tigert | we'll approve your request in a moment | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | It already has been :) | 14:09 |
| tigert | but the changes wont be visible live immediately, but let us know once you have changed something | 14:09 |
| tigert | and ferenc will sync it to the site | 14:09 |
| tigert | thanks :) | 14:09 |
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| X-Fade | Ok, well I will take a look at it :) | 14:09 |
| tigert | awesome :) | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | tigert: do you have a design for the applications? | 14:12 |
| tigert | app catalog? | 14:12 |
| tigert | or the app page in there? | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | the block of one app in the apps page.. | 14:13 |
| X-Fade | The 'click to install' logo. Where do you want it? :) Is it ok when it floats completly to the right? | 14:14 |
| X-Fade | Right now it floats over the description div. | 14:14 |
| tigert | X-Fade: yea, the css is broken a bit | 14:15 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, that is what I will try to fix. But I need to know how you intended it to be. | 14:16 |
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| tigert | X-Fade: the css might be a bit messy too | 14:17 |
| tigert | but basically everything that is in the "content area" is in content.css | 14:17 |
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| tigert | there's "main" that wraps around the whole "page" content area | 14:18 |
| tigert | but wait a bit | 14:18 |
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| tigert | there are some css bits not synced yet | 14:18 |
| tigert | I think I might have fixed that part already | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | Ok, i still need to setup a local test page. So I can test the css agains the page without having to ask ferenc to refresh it after every change ;) | 14:19 |
| tigert | firefox has stuff to edit css on a page | 14:19 |
| tigert | its kinda nifty | 14:20 |
| tigert | some extensions I mean | 14:20 |
| X-Fade | yeah, webdeveloper plugin is nice too. | 14:20 |
| tigert | but I try to be around here, the problem is to keep our work in sync | 14:20 |
| tigert | webdeveloper is awesome yeah | 14:20 |
| koen | tigert: shouldn't the 'click to install' button only be visible when browsing from the 770? | 14:20 |
| tigert | when you commit, ferenc needs to sync the style to the test site | 14:20 |
| tigert | koen: good question :) | 14:21 |
| tigert | koen: the problem is there's a proxy cache in front | 14:21 |
| tigert | so it is a bit hard | 14:21 |
| tigert | but you can technically save the .install to a file and it should work when you open it in the app manager in the device too :] | 14:22 |
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| koen | tigert: right, but that's 'click to download so you can save the .install to a file and it should work when you open it in the app manager in the device' | 14:23 |
| koen | tigert: and that doesn't look so snappy on a button ;) | 14:23 |
| tigert | yea | 14:23 |
| tigert | exactly | 14:23 |
| tigert | its a good point though | 14:24 |
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| X-Fade | tigert: the tableteer website only works on 770? Maybe you can do it the same way? | 14:25 |
| dwd | tigert: You could look at the browser's UA field and change the button. Click to download would be a good replacement. | 14:27 |
| tigert | X-Fade: yea, tableteer is "the other guys somewhere else" :) | 14:30 |
| tigert | but yeah | 14:30 |
| tigert | good points | 14:30 |
| tigert | although, I would rather have it like this than just linking to package files | 14:31 |
| tigert | the "add repo" feature is so nice | 14:31 |
| Jaffa | Browser sniffing on the server is too prone to error (as you've seen). Only display the button when the JS engine is executing on a 770. | 14:47 |
| tigert | yea | 14:51 |
| part | Jaffa: that breaks when js is turned off (the browser crashes less often) | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | tigert: that dotted line on the app page is from the sidebar. Which is empty on that page. | 14:52 |
| ferenc | bbs | 15:00 |
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| tigert | yeah | 15:26 |
| tigert | X-Fade: its still quite borken | 15:26 |
| tigert | X-Fade: I was thinking the links from the bottom of the app page could go there | 15:26 |
| tigert | but I need to talk with bergie about it | 15:26 |
| ferenc | tigert: lemme know if you need a style refresh | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Yeah, it is fixed size 25%. So it takes up a lot of space even when empty. | 15:29 |
| ferenc | maemo.org is now updated with the 2.1 docs. unfortunately the APIs still not published :( | 15:30 |
| tigert | X-Fade: the idea is to remove it when a page doesnt need it | 15:31 |
| Jaffa | part: indeed, but at least on a captive device like the 770 you can have a greater expectation that JS will be available by default. | 15:41 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone have xwininfo compiled for Scratchbox/x86? | 15:51 |
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| part | Jaffa: I turn it off on the device | 16:01 |
| inz | yay, return of the foo! | 16:09 |
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| tigert | part: but most people have it on | 16:42 |
| part | true | 16:43 |
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| Ayoze | hi all | 16:48 |
| florian_kc | hi Ayoze | 16:51 |
| Ayoze | hey florian_kc :) | 16:51 |
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| X-Fade | tigert: There are a few fixes in svn now. | 17:15 |
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| iunknown | hello world | 18:01 |
| iunknown | does anyone here happen to have any tool that lets you preview a theme using a web browser? i have components from a theme (.png files) and i'd like a way to preview how the theme would look | 18:02 |
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| waite | Is there any reason why no one has ported cron/atd to the 770? | 18:03 |
| part | because it doesn't make a lot of sense as the device isn't on all the time? | 18:05 |
| spaetz | waite: because it is not online for long enough to be running cron? | 18:05 |
| spaetz | cron seems to suck when the device is only infrequently on. | 18:05 |
| waite | spaetz, hmm interseting. | 18:06 |
| waite | I like the idea of it actually working when on. But if cron wretches on large time jumps I guess it is right out | 18:07 |
| koen | spaetz: that's why anacron exists | 18:07 |
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| waite | I was hoping to use cron and atd to run GPE alarms and auto syncing. | 18:07 |
| waite | koen, are you running anacron or just know of it? | 18:08 |
| koen | I've anacron on my mythbox | 18:09 |
| part | there was some talk about an alarm framework on the list | 18:10 |
| part | http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-August/005233.html | 18:10 |
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| waite | Sounds like it is done just no out there. | 18:15 |
| waite | Thanks for the pointer. I'll hit them. I still wish we could use industry standard tools like cron. Makes integration that much easier. | 18:16 |
| waite | Looks like I'll be installing scratchbox | 18:16 |
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| jbirdAngel | Hello | 19:23 |
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| PHoeNiGoRe | GamesTV.org vs HeadShot Radio /20:30 CET/ #Pr3dS.Gaming ETTV1: game4.sgserv.net:27960 | 19:31 |
| jbirdAngel | is maemo expected to grow past the Nokia 770, how far? any thoughts | 19:32 |
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| nelson | Hmmmm..... maemo-blog crashed when it didn't get the response it expected. | 19:44 |
| * iunknown needs to give some feedback on maemo-mapper | 19:48 | |
| iunknown | the select button triggering gps modes when there's no paired bluetooth gps module really sucks :( | 19:48 |
| iunknown | you end up in the middle of ocean | 19:48 |
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| nelson | Oh, fuck. maemo-hackers error reporting system HAS AN ERROR!! | 20:22 |
| tko | so, just report the error? :) | 20:23 |
| nelson | sigh. | 20:23 |
| * nelson cries in his beer. | 20:23 | |
| Fatal | :D | 20:24 |
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| nelson | So ..... who's in charge of maemo-hackers? | 20:32 |
| nelson | Looks like Mika Suhonen. Does that name ring a bell? | 20:33 |
| nelson | In fact maemo-blog seems to crash whenever anything goes wrong. | 20:33 |
| tko | consistent error handling :) | 20:34 |
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| nelson | er, um. | 20:38 |
| brendan | tko: the same tko that did the ssl code for mutt some years back? | 20:43 |
| tko | brendan, yep.. small world, eh? =) | 20:45 |
| brendan | yep :) | 20:45 |
| tko | I recognize the nick but can't remember the last name, though.. sorry | 20:45 |
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| brendan | cully. still mutt hacking :) | 20:45 |
| brendan | (occasionally) | 20:45 |
| tko | hate to say but I'm using evolution these days | 20:46 |
| brendan | for shame | 20:46 |
| tko | mainly because it can do exchange calendar | 20:46 |
| brendan | ah | 20:46 |
| tko | well, now that we have a mutt hacker here... :) | 20:47 |
| tko | everyone is complaining about the email client, you're not planning to port mutt, are you? =) | 20:48 |
| * brendan runs | 20:48 | |
| brendan | I hadn't planned to, but I wonder how hard it would be | 20:48 |
| brendan | (was thinking about trying to get myth to stream to it) | 20:48 |
| iunknown | hrm, active channel | 20:49 |
| iunknown | so, does anyone here have any theme visualization tools? | 20:49 |
| iunknown | and is it possible to install a os2006release theme on os2005? | 20:49 |
| tko | iunknown, see https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/maemo-theme-* -- one of them is a huge png file which you can draw over and get a new theme | 20:51 |
| iunknown | tko: i'm trying to use someone else's theme | 20:51 |
| iunknown | i just need to see what it looks like, all i have are png files and a web browser | 20:51 |
| tko | iunknown, it's unlikely it'll work correctly, even if you redid the packaging | 20:51 |
| tko | ah, tricky | 20:51 |
| iunknown | well, i might have os2005 if i'm lucky | 20:51 |
| tko | why would anyone prefer 2005.. mind boggles :) | 20:52 |
| * iunknown looks for http://ph/ to figure out who tko is | 20:52 | |
| iunknown | well, 2005 lets me read google ebooks | 20:52 |
| iunknown | 2006 doesn't | 20:52 |
| iunknown | so i do have a reason | 20:53 |
| tko | MDK, we might consider using the theme engine to reconstruct a template.. or reimplement the tiling (it's pretty trivial anyway) | 20:54 |
| tko | iunknown, never tried google ebooks.. what's broken? | 20:54 |
| iunknown | can you /join the channel? | 20:55 |
| iunknown | i'll fish for the maemo bug while i wait | 20:55 |
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| koen | "because the Flash is accessed using a | 21:56 |
| koen | gnome-vfs module instead of a FUSE module?" | 21:56 |
| koen | please hand me the stuff you are smoking, I want some too | 21:56 |
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| florian | re | 22:05 |
| florian | who is working on maemo-blog? | 22:05 |
| Jaffa | maemo-hackers is inz, isn't it? | 22:06 |
| koen | Jaffa: it is | 22:08 |
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| Jaffa | koen: that's some pretty out there thinking (just caught up with maemo-dev) | 22:10 |
| * Jaffa wants to just reply "Eh?" but that's probably bad-form. | 22:11 | |
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| Tak | so what's the deal with "scirocco" ? | 23:10 |
| Tak | is it binary-compatible with mistral? | 23:10 |
| florian | yes | 23:10 |
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| * bhima waves at koen. | 23:13 | |
| koen | hey mr flaherty | 23:14 |
| koen | how's CMU? | 23:14 |
| * bhima isn't there anymore. I now work in Florida for a small startup doing fixed wireless foo. | 23:15 | |
| koen | so you live and work in a swamp ;) | 23:15 |
| koen | bhima: panhandle, mid or south florida? | 23:17 |
| bhima | Stuart. mid-east. | 23:17 |
| Tak | orlando? | 23:17 |
| bhima | actually, no, it proably counts as south-east. | 23:18 |
| Tak | ah - so lauderdale/miami | 23:18 |
| bhima | A bit north of West Palm. | 23:18 |
| bhima | I haven't really been using my 770 all that much. I tend to shuttle back and forth between home and the office, rather than wandering around a campus like I used to. | 23:24 |
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| bhima | I did just get a Nokia E70. I'm thinking of writing a little keyboard app for it, to use it as a keyboard for my 770. | 23:25 |
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