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| kakos | Would it be possible to run Celestia on the Nokia 770? | 02:21 |
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| nomis | kakos: I'd consider this unlikely. | 02:32 |
| nomis | Not that I really know celestia, but it looks very 3D-heavy. | 02:32 |
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| kakos | nomis: Do you know of any planetarium software that might run on the 770? | 02:45 |
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| nomis | kakos: nope, sorry. | 02:59 |
| nomis | I vaguely remember someone mentioning something, but I forgot the details. | 02:59 |
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| kakos | nomis: Okay. Thanks. :) | 03:04 |
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| Tak | has anybody built a recentish package of dates from svn trunk? | 08:19 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 10:57 |
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| florian_kc | good morning | 12:54 |
| konttori | morning. | 13:00 |
| konttori | not much happening today I see | 13:00 |
| * konttori just updated theme maker and media converter pages to be more opera friendly. | 13:01 | |
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| inz | how i wish my laptop was still working... | 13:09 |
| inz | lectures would be so much more productive | 13:09 |
| inz | 770 isn't too well suited for coding. | 13:10 |
| Fatal | :D | 13:11 |
| inz | just got an idea, replicating the thumb kb as a text editor might work... | 13:11 |
| inz | when coding, context is way important; as is writing speed... | 13:12 |
| inz | with a smallish font, it might be usable. | 13:12 |
| inz | obviously the kb could be optimized for coding. | 13:13 |
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| tigert | yea | 13:23 |
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| bedboi | hi there | 13:25 |
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| konttori | tigert: how's the theme coming along? | 13:25 |
| * konttori also update theme maker themes list. | 13:26 | |
| konttori | http://thememaker.garage.maemo.org/Themes.html | 13:26 |
| konttori | Am I missing any themes at the moment? | 13:26 |
| tigert | konttori: I need to again get the latest templates | 13:28 |
| * koen wonders what idiot designed the charger | 13:28 | |
| koen | the pull protection is too rigid | 13:28 |
| konttori | tigert: how so? | 13:28 |
| tigert | its insane how things can be slow even inside here | 13:28 |
| tigert | konttori: the thing is | 13:28 |
| tigert | the theme template I have is for sardine | 13:29 |
| tigert | ie. for the latest stuff in svn | 13:29 |
| tigert | the 770 theme is not the same | 13:29 |
| konttori | yeah | 13:29 |
| konttori | oh. How much different is it? | 13:29 |
| tigert | and they have it there, and I'd rather get that one than do the diff myself :P | 13:29 |
| tigert | not very much | 13:29 |
| tigert | and I am sorta wondering if I should just go ahead and change it myself | 13:29 |
| konttori | Ok. So, is the image different or just the gtkrc part? | 13:29 |
| tigert | konttori: I think both | 13:30 |
| konttori | tigert: ok | 13:30 |
| tigert | sigh :P | 13:30 |
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| tigert | but I am trying | 13:31 |
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| konttori | But are the sardine themes compatible with 2006 image? | 13:31 |
| tigert | not quite | 13:31 |
| tigert | I think there are some problems, not very big ones though | 13:31 |
| konttori | I mean, if they are, then does it really matter if it's not the 2006 proper? | 13:31 |
| konttori | Ok. I'll just take your word for it | 13:32 |
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| tigert | well, you can compare | 14:10 |
| tigert | and see | 14:11 |
| tigert | but at least the theme I have breaks on the stock 770 software. not much, but a bit | 14:11 |
| tigert | but I'll try to get the real template | 14:11 |
| tigert | we need to start using those internally too with our new theme tool | 14:11 |
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| timeless | hello tigert | 14:16 |
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| tigert | hi | 14:26 |
| keesj | Hello! | 14:27 |
| keesj | There was somebody trying to run maemo inside a "simple" chroot | 14:28 |
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| keesj | whould that make bt development easyer? | 14:29 |
| timeless | BT? | 14:31 |
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| keesj | bluetooth | 14:32 |
| timeless | i don't understand how a simple chroot would help anything, but maybe i'm just being silly | 14:33 |
| keesj | perhaps I am asking the wrong question then:). should bleutooth work inside scrtachbox | 14:34 |
| part | timeless: it would be more simple and easier to set up | 14:34 |
| part | keesj: there's no guarantee that there's bluetooth on the host system, I don't think scratchbox even tries to wrap around it | 14:35 |
| keesj | any idea onto how people develop bt applications like the bt plugin? | 14:36 |
| part | run it on the device | 14:38 |
| inz | i mostly develop any code possible outside sbox | 14:38 |
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| keesj | inz that is also the aproach I was am following | 14:39 |
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| _follower_ | quiet here today... | 16:16 |
| keesj | _follower_, oke , tell me about gtk layout managers then | 16:24 |
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| keesj | I really like to see that the software is getting better. maemo-mapper now works great | 16:27 |
| timeless | that reminds me, it's time for me to see how many new projects have arrived in garage since the last time i indexed it | 16:30 |
| timeless | http://swift/world/source/maemo/garage for people who can reach it :) | 16:30 |
| keesj | grrrrrrr | 16:31 |
| timeless | hey, get someone to donate a 100g hard drive to mozilla.org, and i can see about adding garage to mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org | 16:31 |
| _follower_ | keesj: what i know about gtk layout managers could fill... | 16:38 |
| _follower_ | ...an extremely small space. :-) | 16:38 |
| keesj | :) | 16:38 |
| keesj | thats just the amount of free memory i currently have available | 16:42 |
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| _follower_ | keesj: maybe you should start by forgetting your childhood? | 16:43 |
| shapr | timeless: swift isn't a real name? | 16:43 |
| _follower_ | ...oh, you meant on your 770... :-D | 16:44 |
| keesj | _follower_, it's all the slashdot,freshmeat,buzzwords and java that fills it up | 16:45 |
| timeless | it's a real hostname | 16:45 |
| timeless | but it has nothing to do with my realname, it does relate to my irc nick | 16:46 |
| timeless | and the naming convention i use for devices i control | 16:46 |
| timeless | it's actually such a stretch that i doubt many people will catch it. it's a reference to a hardy boys/tom swift book | 16:49 |
| _follower_ | ah, the memory of when you first realised all hardy books had the same plot... :-) | 16:50 |
| timeless | :) | 16:50 |
| timeless | i'm actually having a really hard time using google to find that book :( | 16:51 |
| timeless | actually, no, i just mistook the right answer for the wrong one | 16:51 |
| timeless | doh :) | 16:51 |
| _follower_ | well, of course, you should have called frank and joe... | 16:51 |
| _follower_ | and was it chet and his jalopy? | 16:51 |
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| timeless | sounds right. 'course chet's sister gets killed in one series | 16:52 |
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| _follower_ | what sort of name is chet anyway? | 16:52 |
| timeless | random american, i believe it's a short form of something | 16:53 |
| timeless | possibly a shortened form of chester? | 16:53 |
| timeless | ok, the reference btw is to a book called 'time bomb' | 16:54 |
| timeless | at least, i think it is, we're talking about well over a decade of irrelevance :) | 16:54 |
| _follower_ | perhaps, so, although chester would still be considered odd in this part of the world--but wouldn't provide as much amusement as randy. | 16:55 |
| timeless | anyway, my cell phones have been named things like SELMA and MPP | 16:56 |
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| timeless | err | 16:56 |
| timeless | anyway, my cell phones have been named things like SELMA and MPPT | 16:56 |
| timeless | and i've had computers named doppler and raistlin and tardis | 16:57 |
| timeless | so i had kinda run out of easy to think of names for devices, i can't remember if my 770 was st voyager, but it might have been... | 16:58 |
| timeless | so do the other references make sense? :) | 16:58 |
| _follower_ | i've always gone with the more functional "TheComputer", "AnotherComputer" and "The770" :-) | 16:59 |
| _follower_ | timeless: not obviously so... | 16:59 |
| timeless | which ones do you not recognize? :) | 17:00 |
| _follower_ | that would reveal way too much of my ignorance :-) | 17:00 |
| timeless | you could google first :) | 17:00 |
| timeless | i don't work for google, nor am i currently in mountain view, so i can't watch your search :) | 17:01 |
| _follower_ | i *could*... | 17:06 |
| Tak | you could be piggybacking an intermediate line | 17:06 |
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| Tak | rev: I have a test package if you'd like to try | 17:13 |
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| rev | Tak: really? awesome! | 17:13 |
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| rev | have you ever heard of a game called Advance Wars? That is the game I'm planning on playing- it is one of the few games that'll play well on the Nokia 770, at least as far as an ergonomic perspective | 17:15 |
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| Tak | no, but I'll check it out | 17:15 |
| Tak | the package is like 280k - is there somewhere I can mail it? | 17:16 |
| rev | yeah- areichow at gmail dizzot com | 17:17 |
| rev | that''d be just peachy | 17:17 |
| rev | i can mail you back the game | 17:17 |
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| Tak | sendificated | 17:20 |
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| waite | Hey all. Has anyone configured the 770 in USB Host mode? | 17:25 |
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| inz | tigert, new maemo-blog in repo | 17:30 |
| inz | tigert, news: 1) it works, 2) image loading through gnome-vfs supported | 17:31 |
| waite | I am confused why you need a 3 headed cable as explained athttp://maemo.org/maemowiki/Easy_USB_Host_Hub_setup | 17:38 |
| waite | I know I need to feed power to the 770 but could I not do it with a dbl headed cable? | 17:39 |
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| tigert | woo | 18:00 |
| jobi | hey tigert | 18:02 |
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| tigert | ~hi | 18:18 |
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| bedboi | anyone knows if glib is portable to symbian | 20:11 |
| bedboi | ? | 20:11 |
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| Tak | <question type="repetitive"> Has anybody managed to make a working build of dates from svn trunk? </question> | 20:16 |
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| timeless | eh? | 20:17 |
| Tak | they have the "december" bug fixed in svn, but I can't make a build that works on my nokia | 20:19 |
| bedboi | Tak: some months ago | 20:19 |
| Tak | do you have a link? or can you send it to me? | 20:20 |
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| bedboi | let me see if i still have something in my scratchbox | 20:23 |
| bedboi | nope, bad luck | 20:24 |
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| bedboi | you should ask the main author (chris lord) | 20:24 |
| Tak | did you do anything special besides install the ecal libs from opened-hand ? | 20:24 |
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| bedboi | i really don't remember | 20:37 |
| bedboi | it was a lot of time ago | 20:37 |
| Tak | oh well | 20:37 |
| Tak | thanks | 20:37 |
| bedboi | i'm sorry i can't help you further :( | 20:38 |
| Tak | c'est la vie | 20:38 |
| Tak | I suspect it's something with the GtkDatesView, because it loads the calendar, and just before it displays, it segfaults with a failed GtkIsWidget assertion | 20:41 |
| shapr | waite: USB host mode on the 770 can be set with the flasher tool | 20:44 |
| shapr | waite: sofia-sip works on the 770, it's a command line tool. | 20:44 |
| waite | shapr you are my idol :) | 20:44 |
| shapr | Any other questions I haven't seen? | 20:45 |
| waite | so I see the circuit for USB host mode now and understand it | 20:45 |
| Tak | so...usb host mode does or does not require hardware/cable manglement? | 20:45 |
| shapr | No, just use the flasher tool to tell the 770 to be the host. | 20:45 |
| glass | you still need the 5v to the cable hack though, right? | 20:45 |
| waite | tak, I believe that you still need 5V back to 770 for the USB device to come up right? | 20:45 |
| Tak | that's my question | 20:45 |
| shapr | If you have a powered USB hub, you won't need that, right? | 20:46 |
| waite | shapr, does using flasher to just enable host mode wpie the image? | 20:46 |
| waite | shapr, I think you ned to supply 5V to the USB device. It is not internally powered | 20:46 |
| Tak | so, powered usb hub + flasher = host mode | 20:47 |
| shapr | I think so. | 20:47 |
| waite | From all I read you do need the cable hack | 20:47 |
| shapr | I've never tried it myself, just read that in various places. | 20:47 |
| Tak | I'll have to try | 20:47 |
| waite | but I could be very wrong | 20:47 |
| Tak | assuming I can find the adapter for one of my hubs | 20:47 |
| shapr | If you have a powered hub, it's easy to check. | 20:47 |
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| waite | so does flasher always need an image also or does enable-host-mode just set the bits needed? | 20:48 |
| shapr | You don't need to give it an image param, just the right command line params. | 20:48 |
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| waite | good deal. Now if only I had a MiniB-MiniB cable at the office | 20:49 |
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| waite | if sofia-sip is from Mokia, why don't we have a Hildonized version? :) | 20:50 |
| waite | sofia-sip has a gaim plugin also. | 20:53 |
| waite | is it worth upgrading to the IT2006 Update version 2.2006.39-14 ? | 20:55 |
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| timeless | there are a limited number of fixes | 20:56 |
| timeless | but i don't know of any major regressions from it2006 | 20:56 |
| timeless | i do know of one major regression from it2005 to it2006 | 20:57 |
| timeless | but that's a personal opinion (and it's reported in the public mameo bugzilla) | 20:57 |
| * timeless wants to be able to read pdfs from google :( | 20:57 | |
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| mlpug | what it means exactly to run a command inside scratchbox or outside scratchbox? I can run e.g. a script under /scratchbox/... directory inside or outside scratchbox or is it always inside if it is under /scratchbox directory | 21:17 |
| rev | Tak: you there? | 21:17 |
| waite | timeless, thanks sounds like it is worth skipping for the time being | 21:19 |
| timeless | if you have 2006 already, it's probably worth it, i switched to that build so that i can get support when things break | 21:21 |
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| timeless | i was using about 2006 before and everyone ignored me :( | 21:21 |
| mlpug | but not the opposite. if i am inside scratchbox I cant run script in my /home/mlpug directory as i am chrooted to scratchbox, right? | 21:21 |
| timeless | if you're in the scratchbox | 21:22 |
| timeless | then /scratchbox is not a path you see | 21:22 |
| timeless | if you're outside the scratchbox, then such a path exists, but you're generally not supposed to use it | 21:22 |
| timeless | note that the scratchbox /generally/ includes some junctions of sorts | 21:22 |
| timeless | so that you can share between your normall system and your scratchbox | 21:22 |
| timeless | see the links directory maze i suppose | 21:23 |
| waite | shapr, does sofia-sip let you make outgoing calls to lanlines if your service allows? | 21:23 |
| Tak | rev: eh? | 21:25 |
| rev | Tak: thanks for trying, but the package doesn't seem to work | 21:25 |
| rev | Tak: though i need to try it with another image | 21:26 |
| rev | er another ROM | 21:26 |
| Tak | ok - I'll do some testing with your rom when I get a chance | 21:26 |
| rev | cool | 21:26 |
| rev | it made my nokia reboot | 21:26 |
| Tak | eek | 21:26 |
| Tak | maybe OOM? | 21:26 |
| rev | hrmm maybe | 21:26 |
| rev | but i don't think so ... | 21:26 |
| timeless | rev: do you have /media/mmc1/core-dumps ? :) | 21:26 |
| Tak | are you using the mmc for swap? | 21:26 |
| rev | i mean, i've a 64 MB MMC swap file, and i didn't have anything else running but x terminal | 21:27 |
| rev | timeless: if it's there, yeah. i didn't delete it | 21:27 |
| timeless | you have to create it | 21:27 |
| Tak | ok | 21:27 |
| timeless | mmcs don't ship w/ random directories on them :) | 21:27 |
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| rev | ohhh haha | 21:27 |
| timeless | as long as your mmc is fairly large (i started w/ 512mb) i'd suggest having such a folder | 21:28 |
| rev | i thought it was a file/folder created when something like that happened | 21:28 |
| rev | if it's created, does it automatically get utilized? | 21:28 |
| rev | yeah, i've a 1 GB RS-MMC ... $24 on amazon | 21:28 |
| timeless | at least in theory if you get a core dump in that directory for 2006 or 2006.1 (whatever it's called) | 21:28 |
| timeless | hrm, i hink my 1g's cost more | 21:28 |
| timeless | good thing i didn't care :) | 21:28 |
| timeless | anyway, if you have xterminal, you can: | 21:29 |
| timeless | cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern | 21:29 |
| * timeless hopes that's spelled correctly | 21:29 | |
| timeless | i don't claim to memorize such things | 21:29 |
| timeless | personally on most systems i tend to replace defaults for such things | 21:29 |
| * timeless prefers core patterns w/ more variables | 21:30 | |
| timeless | anyway, google for that path and you can learn about which vars are available if you care | 21:30 |
| timeless | the main point is that if something crashes, and the system isn't entirely hosed | 21:30 |
| rev | awesome, thanks timeless | 21:30 |
| timeless | you should get a file (probably two actually) in that directory | 21:30 |
| rev | cool | 21:30 |
| rev | good to know | 21:30 |
| timeless | now, i have no idea how you are supposed to get that to nokia | 21:30 |
| timeless | presumably you file a bug in the public bugzilla and say "i have a core file, if you want it, tell me how to get it to you" | 21:31 |
| timeless | but please don't assume this is official advice | 21:31 |
| * timeless doesn't understand nokia's bugzilla | 21:31 | |
| timeless | anyway, traditionally there's a syslog file and maybe a syslog.old (dunno, i don't pay much attn) | 21:32 |
| timeless | if there's an .old and your device rebooted, you probably want to copy that somewhere so you can make it available when you file a bug | 21:33 |
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| timeless | at least, when i've worked on other projects, the things i've always wanted are core dumps for symboled builds and logs from the system explaining what happened | 21:33 |
| timeless | i can't imagine nokia is differrent | 21:33 |
| timeless | but i'm speaking as a random developer :) | 21:33 |
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| timeless | so what is this rom thing anyway? :) | 21:35 |
| Tak | it's ok, it doesn't have to goto nokia | 21:38 |
| Tak | it goes to me :-) | 21:38 |
| timeless | that doesn't mean anything to me :) | 21:39 |
| * mgedmin reads irc logs and discovers the trick with /media/mmc1/core-dumps | 21:41 | |
| mgedmin | cool | 21:41 |
| timeless | the more useful version of the trick is /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern | 21:41 |
| timeless | since you can use it on virtually any linux kernel for the past couple of years | 21:41 |
| timeless | not just nokias :) | 21:41 |
| timeless | do try to keep in mind how much free space you have | 21:42 |
| timeless | i've had cores that were 200-400m large | 21:42 |
| timeless | (don't ask how, i never figured that out) | 21:42 |
| timeless | so you can easily run out of space if you have say a 1/2 gb mmc :( | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | 400m core file on the nokia 770??? | 21:43 |
| timeless | yeah well | 21:44 |
| timeless | i break anything and everything i touch | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | heh | 21:44 |
| timeless | i killed a samsung q1 for kicks :) | 21:44 |
| timeless | in <5mins iirc | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | I try to be careful, but my usage is sometimes indistinguishable from stress-testing | 21:44 |
| timeless | the q1 was death by stress testing | 21:45 |
| * timeless has a nice 90mb minidump from it | 21:45 | |
| timeless | fwiw, the 770 actually survived that stress test | 21:45 |
| timeless | which is pretty impressive since on average most cell phones and the q1 die when given the pages i used :) | 21:46 |
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| timeless | swift% plocate va_start | 21:53 |
| timeless | /usr/share/man/man9f/va_start.9f | 21:53 |
| timeless | oops | 21:54 |
| * rev is pretty surprised how well the 770's CPU performs | 21:56 | |
| Tak | yeah - my 770 is basically as powerful as the laptop I bought for $2000 in 1997 | 21:56 |
| timeless | i got a p2/450 in 1998, what was your laptop in 1997 | 21:57 |
| timeless | p2 200 or so? | 21:57 |
| Tak | amd k6-2/400 | 21:57 |
| * mgedmin 's 770 is more powerful than his first thinkpad laptop, made in 1995, bought second-hand in 2000 for $500 | 21:58 | |
| suihkulokki | as long as you don't try to use floating points :) | 21:59 |
| rev | the TI OMAP must be more powerful per-mhz than the XScale, PXA255 and PXA270 | 21:59 |
| rev | or so it seems | 21:59 |
| rev | i've used 206 MHz StrongARM machines running CE and Linux, and with the application i use most there is a really big difference in speed | 21:59 |
| rev | specifically i mean a programming langugae/operating environment/dev system called squeak | 22:00 |
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| rev | and it seems to be getting better bytecodes/sec/MHz and message sends/sec/MHz than a 377 MHz UltraSPARC running linux | 22:01 |
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| ssvb | rev: regarding cpu performance, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=25014 | 23:00 |
| rev | thanks, ssvb | 23:06 |
| ssvb | well, i just did this research some time ago (when evaluating the ways for improving video decoding performance using assembly), so i decided to share the information now :) | 23:08 |
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