| tigert | you can use msg if you register, yeah | 00:00 |
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| timeless | part: registering is a royal pain | 00:00 |
| tigert | besides, its quiet here today anyway | 00:00 |
| timeless | because then i have to teach dozens of irc clients my password | 00:00 |
| sp3000 | harmless? ;) | 00:00 |
| timeless | and then i have to remember it | 00:00 |
| timeless | sp3000: ok, i break everything | 00:00 |
| timeless | ignore that, :) | 00:00 |
| tigert | timeless: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jakubsteiner/264525669/ | 00:00 |
| timeless | tigert: ok, he'll vouch that i'm trustworthy if not harmless | 00:00 |
| timeless | wow | 00:00 |
| tigert | yeah | 00:01 |
| tigert | the resolution forgives a lot of the suckyness of the app | 00:01 |
| timeless | has he made complaints asking for improvements? | 00:01 |
| * timeless needs to | 00:01 | |
| timeless | heck, have you? | 00:01 |
| tigert | who hasnt? the sketch app sucks and I wish it was open source so people could fix it | 00:01 |
| timeless | you admitted you don't use it, but it's available | 00:02 |
| sp3000 | like deeper undo and a pen with between tiny and not tiny enough? :) | 00:02 |
| tigert | I dont sketch with it | 00:02 |
| tigert | I use the tablet mostly for communication | 00:02 |
| timeless | i'd use it for communication, abut atm i can't :) | 00:02 |
| timeless | so here i am using my desktop instead :( | 00:02 |
| timeless | btw, i saw the battery meter run backwards tonight | 00:02 |
| part | heh | 00:03 |
| timeless | it went from 1 bar red, to 3 bars green to 4 bars green | 00:03 |
| timeless | no charging | 00:03 |
| * timeless blames the local weather | 00:03 | |
| sp3000 | dammit, can't blame dst this week | 00:03 |
| timeless | heh | 00:03 |
| timeless | the user guide says the temp range should be 15-25C | 00:03 |
| timeless | which is problematic, i think it's -5 :) | 00:03 |
| tigert | could be yeah | 00:05 |
| tigert | keep it in the inside pocket :) | 00:05 |
| tigert | batteries dont like freezing | 00:05 |
| tigert | anyway, time to sleep | 00:05 |
| timeless | yeah, so the user guide said | 00:05 |
| timeless | sp3000: so i upgraded the mmc again, i was tired of running out of space for cores w/ my 512mb mmc :) | 00:06 |
| timeless | it's now 1g :) and my phone has a 1g too, so i can swap if i run low :) | 00:06 |
| sp3000 | heh | 00:06 |
| timeless | s/if/when/ ;-) | 00:06 |
| timeless | sp3000: anyway, if i do get usb ether working, i should be able to backup my device using scp, right? | 00:10 |
| sp3000 | right | 00:10 |
| timeless | usb_unregister_client (deprecated): | 00:11 |
| timeless | always good to see that :) | 00:11 |
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| part | timeless: mounting the mmc when connected via usb isn't enough? | 00:12 |
| timeless | the mmc is fresh, minus a dozen cores | 00:12 |
| timeless | i want to backup the system, system settings, my files | 00:12 |
| timeless | note, backup crashes when i tap the backup button | 00:12 |
| timeless | which makes it um, ... unhelpful | 00:12 |
| part | I just re-flash the device if there are any problems | 00:14 |
| timeless | yeah, see, my goal is to get problems fixed | 00:15 |
| part | but I don't keep any worthwhile data on it | 00:15 |
| timeless | if that includes terrorizing a dozen developers, i have time | 00:15 |
| timeless | i have 6months worth of settings on this device | 00:15 |
| timeless | from 5 or so countries | 00:15 |
| part | nice | 00:15 |
| timeless | i've worked very hard, paid lots of money and such to collect this much | 00:15 |
| timeless | and i will terrorize as many devs, and ui engineers until they get it right | 00:16 |
| timeless | and, i can :) | 00:16 |
| part | have you got a sshd on the device? | 00:16 |
| timeless | yes | 00:16 |
| timeless | but atm i don't have any network to attach to | 00:16 |
| timeless | i'm rewriting a usb kernel driver atm | 00:17 |
| part | usb networking and logging in as root should do the trick | 00:17 |
| part | rewriting? | 00:17 |
| timeless | it's not compatible w/ my kernel | 00:17 |
| timeless | this is so much fun | 00:20 |
| * timeless chases deprecated functions | 00:20 | |
| part | how about flashing a working kernel onto the device? | 00:21 |
| timeless | *after* i back it up | 00:21 |
| timeless | not before | 00:21 |
| timeless | btw, the kernel i'm hacking isn't linux | 00:21 |
| timeless | it's for the host | 00:21 |
| part | oh I thought you were hacking the device kernel | 00:22 |
| timeless | yeah, i figured that out :) | 00:22 |
| timeless | no, i'm a linux user, not a linux kernel hacker :) | 00:22 |
| timeless | i hack other kernels :) | 00:22 |
| timeless | sp3000, got time to follow 3 links? | 00:22 |
| sp3000 | depends :) | 00:23 |
| part | haven't got a system with a working usb stack? | 00:23 |
| timeless | working usb, yes | 00:23 |
| timeless | working usbether driver, no | 00:23 |
| * sp3000 is waiting for edgy upgrade to be done downloading and ready to break the system | 00:24 | |
| timeless | am i missing something, or is that an infinite loop? | 00:24 |
| Robot101 | timeless: I thought you said you had a 1G MMC? | 00:25 |
| timeless | yes | 00:25 |
| timeless | how would you use it to backup the device? :) | 00:25 |
| timeless | i don't understand how to use busybox tar | 00:25 |
| Robot101 | timeless: cp -arx? | 00:25 |
| part | Robot101: it seems that that would be way too simple, a proper method has to include hacking a kernel, if not two :) | 00:26 |
| timeless | cp -arx / /media/mmc1/backup | 00:26 |
| timeless | ? | 00:26 |
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| timeless | part: i really don't know how to use busybox, and it's not like it has man pages on the device :) | 00:26 |
| * timeless waits for robot101 to confirm the command | 00:26 | |
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| timeless | besides, kernel hacking is fun | 00:27 |
| sp3000 | timeless: yeah it kinda looks like one... :) | 00:27 |
| sp3000 | well, there's http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html#item_tar | 00:27 |
| Robot101 | hm, there's no -x in busybox cp | 00:28 |
| timeless | ok, well, when you can explain how to actually *use* busybox to ddo what i want, let me know :) | 00:28 |
| timeless | would scp -r work? | 00:28 |
| timeless | i know it's stupid, but... | 00:28 |
| timeless | yeah, scp is on my device :) | 00:28 |
| * timeless chuckles | 00:28 | |
| timeless | it's probably easier for me to use scp than busybox ) | 00:29 |
| timeless | :) | 00:29 |
| part | right | 00:29 |
| Robot101 | the point being that without a --one-file-system option | 00:29 |
| Robot101 | you will try and copy /proc, /sys, etc | 00:29 |
| Robot101 | and also /media/mmc1 | 00:30 |
| Robot101 | into itself | 00:30 |
| sp3000 | there is an -X | 00:30 |
| sp3000 | but that's more work, sure | 00:30 |
| timeless | that doesn't sound to good | 00:31 |
| timeless | well | 00:31 |
| timeless | i should be able to do scp {root dir list} dest:/media/mmc1/backup | 00:32 |
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| timeless | right? that should be "safe" | 00:32 |
| Robot101 | you could just do ls /; cp -a /home /var /etc /the /stuff /thats /not /proc /sys /or /media /media/mmc1/backup | 00:32 |
| Robot101 | :D | 00:32 |
| Robot101 | though if you want to preserve perms you need to use tar, the MMC is a FAT fs | 00:32 |
| * timeless grumbles | 00:33 | |
| timeless | right | 00:33 |
| * timeless resolves not to use an mmc like this | 00:33 | |
| timeless | ok, shall we go back to tar? | 00:33 |
| timeless | is there some way to actually /use/ tar? | 00:33 |
| part | heh | 00:33 |
| timeless | or better, would it be easier for me to download 'zip' to my mmc and run that? | 00:33 |
| Robot101 | tar -cvzf /media/mmc1/backup.tar.gz /the /same /stuff /as /above | 00:34 |
| timeless | sorry, this should be "simple", i hope you'll agree w/ me | 00:34 |
| timeless | i don't think busybox tar supports that | 00:34 |
| Robot101 | what does it say? | 00:34 |
| timeless | it wnats a file list | 00:34 |
| part | there was that link to the busybox tar help earlier... | 00:34 |
| timeless | it won't approve of directories | 00:34 |
| timeless | yeah, i'm staring at it | 00:34 |
| timeless | i've also tried to use tar on the device before | 00:35 |
| timeless | i *know* that syntax doesn't work :) | 00:35 |
| Robot101 | tar really can handle directories | 00:35 |
| timeless | gnu tar really can | 00:35 |
| timeless | this isn't gnu tar | 00:35 |
| Robot101 | so can busybox tar | 00:35 |
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| part | even though this is funny, I think I should go get some sleep | 00:36 |
| * timeless tries it | 00:37 | |
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| timeless | hrm, kernel driver built :) | 00:39 |
| timeless | ok that worked well | 00:44 |
| timeless | Segmentation fault | 00:45 |
| timeless | :) | 00:45 |
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| * timeless frowns | 02:00 | |
| timeless | what's the latest release of the os2006 thing? :) | 02:00 |
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| Robot101 | there was a release recently, it's linked off planet.maemo.org | 02:02 |
| * timeless wonders what this software update wizard is | 02:04 | |
| timeless | seems it's already installed? | 02:04 |
| timeless | heh :) | 02:05 |
| timeless | silly question, why isn't it listed on http://maemo.org? :) | 02:06 |
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| timeless | yippee, backup restore doesn't work :) | 02:10 |
| * timeless sighs | 02:10 | |
| * timeless notes that the update doesn't include the pdf fix necessary to make os2006 useful | 02:16 | |
| * timeless should update to os2005 | 02:16 | |
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| littlefae | Hi all | 09:14 |
| littlefae | I need a 'toolkit' for compilation of C apps for Maemo, that can operate on an OS X CLI. :) Any ideas where I might get the right toolchains? | 09:15 |
| rev | well | 09:16 |
| rev | funny you should ask, littlefae | 09:16 |
| rev | i am in the same situation | 09:16 |
| rev | short answer: you can't | 09:16 |
| rev | scratchbox requires an x86 linux machine, according to the website | 09:16 |
| rev | but, you can use some linux/x86 distro and a PC emulator. for free, there is Q (Qemu + OS X GUI), or for pay you could use VirtualPC | 09:17 |
| littlefae | "Bah | 09:17 |
| rev | i know | 09:17 |
| rev | it's annoying | 09:17 |
| littlefae | This thing is an ARM CPU, correct? | 09:17 |
| rev | yeah | 09:17 |
| littlefae | Are the lib files for it still in ASCII text format? | 09:18 |
| rev | no clue | 09:18 |
| rev | i was hoping someone would have a machine with accounts given to nokia 770 developers for this sort of thing ... they used to have that sort of thing for similar devices | 09:18 |
| littlefae | I'll see if my GP2x toolchain will compile it | 09:18 |
| rev | well | 09:19 |
| rev | it probably will compile something | 09:19 |
| rev | but it's not like a linux arm binary is univerally portable | 09:19 |
| rev | well, maybe if you are just compiling something that uses printf to say hello world, maybe that'll work | 09:19 |
| rev | but not likely anything with gtk | 09:19 |
| littlefae | Oh, that last part is fine | 09:20 |
| littlefae | I need one specific console app, nothing more. | 09:20 |
| rev | ahh ok | 09:20 |
| rev | well, give it a whack then | 09:20 |
| rev | but there might be other library issues | 09:20 |
| rev | it can't hurt to try though | 09:20 |
| littlefae | I'd settle for a GCC that runs on the device, personally. :) | 09:21 |
| littlefae | This is going to be so many shades of hassle, you just know it. | 09:21 |
| rev | yeah, that would be nice | 09:22 |
| rev | isn't there a port of gcc to it though? | 09:22 |
| littlefae | Still, if it works, I'll try and post it to the wiki for OSX users. | 09:22 |
| rev | cool | 09:22 |
| rev | i am doing development for the 770 on the 770 | 09:22 |
| rev | though not in C | 09:22 |
| littlefae | I really need to know what the actual model number on the CPU is, to be frank | 09:23 |
| rev | it's a TI OMAP something | 09:23 |
| rev | that's all i got though | 09:23 |
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| rev | but google likely has the answer | 09:23 |
| littlefae | Oh good point. X) | 09:24 |
| rev | :) | 09:24 |
| littlefae | I forget such things, when I need something | 09:24 |
| rev | hehe | 09:24 |
| rev | fair enough | 09:24 |
| littlefae | Geeze, this is going badly | 09:30 |
| littlefae | Nah, was a good thought, but sadly this toolchain only makes .gpu/.gpe binaries, ie, custom for the ARM920T | 09:32 |
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| littlefae | Guess I'll put out an APB for 'tinyfugue' for the Nokia 770. Anyone able to compile it, please do so. :) email me: little.fairy_at_btinternet.com | 09:38 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:43 |
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| Jaffa | lo koen | 11:47 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, planet.maemo.org isn't downloading updated feeds | 11:48 |
| koen | hey Jaffa | 11:52 |
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| Jaffa | Is there a good scientific calculator for Maemo yet? | 16:11 |
| tko | brainiac is crazy.. take mustard, tabasco or wasabi and compete who lasts the longest with a spoonful in the mouth :-] | 16:12 |
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| * Jaffa quickly recompiles galculator for IT 2006 so he has a scientific calculator for my Finance & Leasing Association course next week. | 18:21 | |
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| * Jaffa 'll work on a proper port (i.e. menu entry etc.) later. | 18:21 | |
| pokute_ | yah shure. | 18:21 |
| Jaffa | well, true. | 18:22 |
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