| qwazix_ | I think this is the one http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88577 | 00:01 |
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| qwazix_ | anyway, it's gone late. Have a good night | 00:06 |
| HtheB_ | qwazix_: Thanks | 00:06 |
| HtheB_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1314295&postcount=84 | 00:06 |
| HtheB_ | this should be the one right? | 00:06 |
| qwazix_ | I think so. And I remember he managed to extract it correctly | 00:07 |
| HtheB_ | alright :) | 00:07 |
| qwazix_ | Is your proto that old? | 00:07 |
| HtheB_ | let me quickly try it | 00:07 |
| HtheB_ | old as in? | 00:07 |
| HtheB_ | it looks alot like 'harmattan' | 00:08 |
| HtheB_ | real harmattan as we know it | 00:08 |
| HtheB_ | with swipe | 00:08 |
| qwazix_ | ah, so that's probably much newer than that one in that thread | 00:09 |
| qwazix_ | That still had sudo mixed up in the system like maemo, and the simple dali ui that ended up in MeeGo CE and then nemo | 00:10 |
| HtheB_ | hmm | 00:10 |
| HtheB_ | weird | 00:10 |
| qwazix_ | ? | 00:10 |
| HtheB_ | it says cant open mmcbl0p2 no such file or directory | 00:10 |
| qwazix_ | you're missing a k | 00:10 |
| qwazix_ | mmcblk0p2 | 00:11 |
| HtheB_ | no no, typo in here | 00:11 |
| HtheB_ | no typo in terminal | 00:11 |
| HtheB_ | where can i see what is mounted ? | 00:11 |
| qwazix_ | ah, ok, try ls'ing /dev/mmc* | 00:11 |
| qwazix_ | so you can see what partitions are available | 00:11 |
| HtheB_ | i did a simple df -h | 00:12 |
| HtheB_ | 0p1 = MyDocs | 00:12 |
| HtheB_ | 0p3 = /home | 00:12 |
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| HtheB_ | when ls'ing /dev/mmc* : /dev/mmcblk0, /dev/mmcblk0p1, /dev/mmcblk0p2 and /dev/mmcblk0p3 | 00:13 |
| HtheB_ | ah wait | 00:14 |
| HtheB_ | i see there was a command error | 00:14 |
| qwazix_ | on my N9 rootfs is mounted from /dev/root | 00:14 |
| HtheB_ | meh, i fail | 00:14 |
| HtheB_ | i did made a typo :( | 00:14 |
| HtheB_ | :D | 00:14 |
| HtheB_ | forget to add /dev/ before mmcblk0p2 | 00:15 |
| HtheB_ | I guess thats what happens when you're excited | 00:15 |
| qwazix_ | hehe | 00:15 |
| HtheB_ | do you know how to "read" the image | 00:15 |
| HtheB_ | or, how to mount it? | 00:15 |
| HtheB_ | (how to put it back) | 00:15 |
| HtheB_ | im sure it would be possible with ubiboot? | 00:16 |
| qwazix_ | I think you just mount it regularly | 00:16 |
| qwazix_ | mount -t ext4 /path/to/image /mount/point | 00:16 |
| qwazix_ | (I think N9 rootfs is ext4) | 00:16 |
| qwazix_ | I haven't used ubiboot though | 00:17 |
| qwazix_ | I really got to get some sleep. Good luck with it! | 00:18 |
| HtheB_ | Thanks qwazix_ ! | 00:18 |
| HtheB_ | one last thing | 00:18 |
| HtheB_ | before you leave though | 00:18 |
| HtheB_ | (you still there ?) | 00:19 |
| HtheB_ | nite nite | 00:20 |
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| lpapp | hi, is there a way to check the origin of a SIM card in my phone? Number, country, etc? | 07:24 |
| lpapp | for instance Jonni ^ | 07:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the SIM has no genuine way to find out about number and such stuff, this gets assigned to the IMSI (or other SIM identifier) during "login" to network. Means: the carrier can change all those details in his database on his server, and your SIM only is linked to those data via the IMSI | 07:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *some* SIM have a storage for up to 4 (iirc) 'own numbers' | 07:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's more like a scratchpad storage, the content is arbitrary and not guaranteed to be correct or set up at all. My SIM has the correct number in location 0, and "0000" in locations 1, 2, 3 | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | allegedly contacts has a menu "my information" that's supposed to display your own number, probably also based on that SIM scratchpad | 08:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | generic instructions: >>Press the "Contacts Button" (just below the right softkey) then press "Options" then press "SIM Contacts" and select "SIM Directory" then press "Options" then press "My Numbers"<< (applies in slightly adapted form to all phones that support this, it accesses the SIM phonebook) | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know SIM phonebook isn't very popular anymore these days, afaik the Nokia "maemo" phones still support _import_ from SIM, however I wasn't able to find a appropriate and working AT command in pnatd | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at+cpbs=on *should* do the trick, but it just throws ERROR | 09:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | CmdPhoneBookSelect=OwnNumber | 09:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (tested on N900 but I guess the BB5 AT interpreter is quite identical) | 09:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | more generic info that reveals some common SIM properties: http://support.apple.com/kb/ta38675?viewlocale=en_us&locale=en_us | 09:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://etipsweb.blogspot.de/2012/02/find-your-own-mobile-number.html SSC | 09:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or USSD | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, and I *think* short or long provider-name may come from SIM, among other sources like table in cmt firmware and OTA from carrier | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more about "own number": http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2480288/get-phone-number-in-android-sdk/6797278#6797278 | 09:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>According to the GSM specs, only the IMSI is required to be available on the SIM card. The actual phone number MSISDN is stored on the HLR database in the operator's network and does not need to be available on the SIM card or transmitted to the phone .So no matter what technology you are using (Symbina, Java ...) you can never count on being able to consistently get your own phone number from the device or SIM. You might be lucky | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if the operator stores it on the SIM or if the phone provides the user with a possibility to enter it manually, but it does not have to be this way.<< http://stackoverflow.com/a/93735 | 09:35 |
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| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer05: and the MSISDN doesn't even need to be your real number | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep :-P | 09:41 |
| dm8tbr | e.g. roaming | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 09:42 |
| dm8tbr | there you get a undisclosed MSISDN from a temporary pool and the networks magically route stuff | 09:42 |
| dm8tbr | would be fun to get those :) | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the *#100# approach is somewhat appealing, but obviously highly carrier-dependent | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are also occasionally 0800 numbers that just say your number you're calling the voice-machine with | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the SMS approach is rather reliable but costs money and is generally a PITA | 09:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (roaming) I guess _those_ temporary MSISDN are simply not routed from public trunk | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. you can't call them | 09:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | might be outside of allowed E.164, like "000099<$random:9>" | 09:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dm8tbr: ever heard of http://www.itu.int/rec/dologin_pub.asp?lang=e&id=T-REC-E.123-200805-I!Amd1!PDF-E&type=items | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | " Emergency contact number notation" | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.123#Notfallnummern | 09:55 |
| dm8tbr | I think I stumbled into that once | 09:56 |
| dm8tbr | sounds more like a 'convention' how people could do things with no way to enforce it | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how useful it is when you and now me are the only persons on earth that stumbled into it. Talking about police, hospitals, etc | 09:57 |
| dm8tbr | ofc software vendors could adhere to it and emulate it | 09:57 |
| dm8tbr | well, if the phone is unlocked, people do tend to check the phone book for possibly suitable entries, BTDT | 09:58 |
| dm8tbr | so it's not a bad choice | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 09:58 |
| dm8tbr | the thing is obviously, how do you get people to store them this way | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 01global-thermonuclear-strike | 09:59 |
| dm8tbr | IMHO a sensible approach would be a wizzard on setup | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 02ossamabin | 09:59 |
| dm8tbr | 03gitmo | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 09:59 |
| dm8tbr | 04nsa is redundant, as they are 'cc' to all calls anyway, especially to the first 3 numbers | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh I missed: 00dont-call-me-there | 10:01 |
| dm8tbr | 99mother-in-law | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, it's 0[1-9].* | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so neither of the last two is valid | 10:03 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how many users actually use the option to store SSC (like *#67#) to contacts | 10:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually have *104# | 10:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I have a lot like #31#<the real number> | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and since starhash-enabler this actually works on N900 | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't recall if <the number>w<some dtmf> works | 10:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or <number>p<some dtmf> | 10:10 |
| dm8tbr | that stuff was quite useful. I think I used it on my 9300, don't remember if I tried on the N950 | 10:11 |
| dm8tbr | great to auto-dial into a regular telco | 10:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5667P2 works | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (O2 Germany: check balance) | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you wonder: P is on triple-* | 10:14 |
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| imunsie | Anyone know how to force a downgrade with flasher? | 10:50 |
| imunsie | I upgraded to pr1.3, some time later my fs got corrupt and the N9 ended up in a reboot loop | 10:50 |
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| imunsie | I repaired that with an openmode kernel and fsck.ext4 from my laptop | 10:50 |
| imunsie | s/pr1.3/pr1.3.1/ | 10:51 |
| imunsie | Ever since then it's been behaving a bit oddly | 10:51 |
| imunsie | Occasional spontaneous reboots | 10:51 |
| imunsie | screen no longer turns off by itself (it is set to) | 10:52 |
| imunsie | Never refreshes facebook/twitter (the fs corruption was concentrated around the feed caches) | 10:52 |
| imunsie | dmesg shows some correctable ECC errors | 10:52 |
| imunsie | So I want to reflash | 10:53 |
| imunsie | But Nokia in all their wisdom seems to have shut down navifirm | 10:53 |
| imunsie | So I can't get the URLs to download pr1.3.1 | 10:53 |
| imunsie | And flasher refuses to flash pr1.3 because that would be downgrading | 10:53 |
| imunsie | Seems like Nokia just did another big FUCK YOU to all their non Microsoft users | 10:54 |
| imunsie | Alternatively, can anyone find the URLs for the Australia 16GB black unbranded pr1.3.1 firmware + MMC image? | 11:00 |
| imunsie | For that matter, what's the new firmware version number for 1.3.1? | 11:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron | 11:01 |
| infobot | [skeiron] the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143, or see: ~tabletsdev | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~firmwares | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~firmware | 11:01 |
| infobot | i heard firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt Firmware for GrandStream phones is at http://www.hellofone.com/files/ | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh! | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues skeiron | 11:02 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'skeiron' by value (1): skeiron. | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#harmattan firmware is http://skeiron.org/firmware/ | 11:03 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~firmware | 11:03 |
| infobot | [firmware] http://skeiron.org/firmware/ | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://skeiron.org/firmware/N9/40.2012.21.3/ and don't ask what a PITA it been to download all that | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and what it did to skeiron's available storage space | 11:05 |
| imunsie | 40.2012.21.3 is pr1.3 which I have | 11:05 |
| imunsie | Hmmm... my about product shows the same version number | 11:06 |
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| imunsie | Maybe I'm misremembering the recent update | 11:06 |
| imunsie | Something about an update to the celular radio to fix some compatibility issues or something | 11:07 |
| imunsie | Regardless, flasher isn't letting me reflash that version :( | 11:07 |
| imunsie | Grr Downgrade disallowed (1342067459) | 11:08 |
| imunsie | Where is the version number stored it's comparing against? | 11:08 |
| imunsie | In one of the mtd partitions? | 11:08 |
| imunsie | And is it's tpm chip going to stop me editing it? | 11:09 |
| imunsie | Hmmm, well I can reflash the MMC image... if only that was the bad bit that needs reflashing... | 11:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | downgrading is blocked by all the TPM crap in harmattan | 11:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* it's based on version of CMT firmware | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or at least stored in CMT | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | allegedly there's a workaround how you could downgrade nevertheless, but it's not public yet | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mifgr have sth to do with coldflashing and using PR1.0 maybe, but that's only wild guessing by me. Also I heard flasher-3.5 (the fremantle flasher) can do stuff that doesn't work on flasher-3.12 or whatever it was that's recommended for harmattan | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/mifgr/might/ | 11:18 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: might have sth to do with coldflashing and using PR1.0 maybe, but that's only wild guessing by me. Also I heard flasher-3.5 (the fremantle flasher) can do stuff that doesn't work on flasher-3.12 or whatever it was that's recommended for harmattan | 11:18 |
| imunsie | hmmm, well it looks like CMT and the MMC are the only things it is going to allow me to flash | 11:22 |
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| imunsie | What do we know about it's TPM chip? Do we have a data sheet for it? | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the "tpm chip" is partially inside the ARM SoC and partially inside the BB5 modem | 11:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I *guess* it works like that: the OMAP ARM SoC boots only to a bootloader (NOLO) that's signed with the key that is stored in SoC's ROM (well, actually the privatekey to that pubkey in ROM). NOLO then communicates to BB5 CMT and verifies all further signatures and whatnot by sending them to BB5 and BB5 replies with either "OK" or "tampered" | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same does the signed kernel that NOLO loads after verifying it | 11:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | NOLO also is responsible for normal flashing, so it probably verifies all images that you try to flash against that key in BB5 - and possibly compares the version against any version stored wherever, may it be CAL (which reportedly can't get changed by user in N9), or may it be BB5 | 11:38 |
| imunsie | that makes sense | 11:39 |
| imunsie | So, I guess the question is where is the version number stored that NOLO checks | 11:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 still wonders if the OMAP hw actually allows permanent write-protection of parts of NAND. Only heard of write-protect bits that can get cleared as well as set | 11:40 | |
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| imunsie | And can I change that with (say) an open mode kernel, or by hooking up my bus pirate to whatever chip stores it | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | openmode kernel switches NAND into write-protected mode | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually NOLO does, on loading an openmode kernel | 11:41 |
| imunsie | Hmmm... it looks like flashing the mmc flashes /home as well as MyDocs | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 11:41 |
| imunsie | /home was where all the corruption was | 11:41 |
| imunsie | so, it's possible I might be ok now | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CAL is a NAND partition | 11:42 |
| imunsie | I'd still like to reflash the whole thing at some point | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why you can't change the lockcode in openmode - it's also stored in CAL | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | likewise you couldn't reset the version info if it was stored in CAL | 11:43 |
| imunsie | And let me guess, the TPM chip locks down part of the nand so you can't just use /dev/mtd* | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you *might* be able to do sth about it with inception or other exploits that not even leave HS-mode | 11:44 |
| dm8tbr | there is no tpm chip as such | 11:44 |
| dm8tbr | it's the secure mode of the SoC | 11:44 |
| imunsie | right | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-27 10:28:46] <DocScrutinizer05> the "tpm chip" is partially inside the ARM SoC and partially inside the BB5 modem | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with openshell in secure mode you might be able to nuke or tweak /dev/mtd1(?) aka CAL | 11:45 |
| dm8tbr | nuke is a bad bad idea | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas we have no proper tools to access CAL in a sensible way | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's calvaria to read out CAL | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it can write new values to CAL though | 11:47 |
| imunsie | Is the nand integrated in the SoC, or separate? | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | integrated | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kinda | 11:48 |
| imunsie | figures | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think it's in OneNAND POP | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so pretty much integrated into SoC, while SoC is basically two chips | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, nuking CAL is a terribly stupid idea, since it bricks your device permanently | 11:52 |
| imunsie | indeed | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we actually got *one* tool to mess with CAL, and that's flasher-3.12 which supposedly can access CAL to store new certs there | 11:53 |
| dm8tbr | a cold flash would put everything else in place, but NOLO would likely bomb out during boot | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I bet coldflash secondary image (or was it 2nd image) NOLO has a means to flash CAL | 11:54 |
| dm8tbr | well, they have to do the factory imaging somehow. either by flasher or some other specific tool that does pretty much the same thing | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 11:55 |
| dm8tbr | secure payload bootloaders and then secure minimal OS | 11:55 |
| imunsie | well, there are jtag pins under the sim card tray | 11:56 |
| imunsie | So, they could use them for initial bootstrap | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | phoenix? It can do other messing-around to CAL (calibrating ALS etc) as well | 11:57 |
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| dm8tbr | imunsie: are those jtag? I know that one serial port is there, no idea about other uses | 12:00 |
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| imunsie | I think that's what I saw on the schematics | 12:03 |
| * imunsie opens them up... | 12:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the N900 has the JTAG pins omitted in the schematics, as well as the UART | 12:06 |
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| imunsie | J5611 = JTAG_EMU0, J5612 = JTAG_EMU1 | 12:06 |
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| imunsie | Those are the two pins further back on the opposite side of the serial | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, must be years since I last looked at N9 schematics | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I'm not sure if I have it at hand | 12:09 |
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| imunsie | They're not too hard to find with Google | 12:11 |
| imunsie | I grabbed them to work out which the serial console was while I was in my reboot loop | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /home/jr/halley2/home/jr/Documents/N900/N950/N9_RM-696_schematics_v1.0.pdf | 12:11 |
| imunsie | Then I remembered about turning off the lifeguard reset | 12:12 |
| valdur55 | ~update | 12:12 |
| infobot | i guess update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 | 12:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if there are N9 JTAG plugs (SIM holder) available out there | 12:16 | |
| dm8tbr | probably inside nokia :) | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course | 12:17 |
| imunsie | Yeah, it was a bit haphazard holding a wire on the serial pin with one hand, and trying to operate the N9 + minicom with the other :) | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they tiny tools they produuce in 100..500 quantities, for insane amounts of money per unit | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | imunsie: I doubt you could hold any wire to those contacts, it seems to me they are pretty well covered inside the case | 12:19 |
| imunsie | I used a breadboard jumper wire since the tip was solid, and I only needed the tx pin since I didn't care about sending anything back | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, are they actually on the edge of the PCB, quite next to the opening of the SIM slot? | 12:21 |
| imunsie | yeah | 12:21 |
| imunsie | the ones on the outside are pretty easy to get to | 12:21 |
| imunsie | I wouldn't like to hold a wire to the ones on the inside though - I'd probably end up shorting something out | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh what I thought were contcts is actually a writing "FCC bla bla bla" | 12:23 |
| imunsie | lol - other side on the PCB | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah there they are | 12:23 |
| imunsie | I wonder if I can convince someone at the local hacker space to make something to break them out | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | local hackerspace? rather ask a watchmaker | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or a goldsmith | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 12:26 |
| dm8tbr | a pcb with some spring contacts should be enough | 12:27 |
| imunsie | Yeah, that's what I was thinking | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if a flex PCB sticked to the existing SIM golder would do | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spring contacts that size are pretty hard to actually build on a PCB | 12:28 |
| dm8tbr | sim contacts are the same size | 12:28 |
| dm8tbr | and can be ordered from the part supplier of your least distrust | 12:28 |
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| thedead1440 | sigh... HtheB always pings me and then disappears... | 20:46 |
| thedead1440 | HtheB when you read the logs, its an uncomplicated procedure, steps of which can be found here: http://pastebin.com/R3iEJYfU | 20:48 |
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