IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2013-06-27

qwazix_I think this is the one
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qwazix_anyway, it's gone late. Have a good night00:06
HtheB_qwazix_: Thanks00:06
HtheB_this should be the one right?00:06
qwazix_I think so. And I remember he managed to extract it correctly00:07
HtheB_alright :)00:07
qwazix_Is your proto that old?00:07
HtheB_let me quickly try it00:07
HtheB_old as in?00:07
HtheB_it looks alot like 'harmattan'00:08
HtheB_real harmattan as we know it00:08
HtheB_with swipe00:08
qwazix_ah, so that's probably much newer than that one in that thread00:09
qwazix_That still had sudo mixed up in the system like maemo, and the simple dali ui that ended up in MeeGo CE and then nemo00:10
HtheB_it says cant open mmcbl0p2 no such file or directory00:10
qwazix_you're missing a k00:10
HtheB_no no, typo in here00:11
HtheB_no typo in terminal00:11
HtheB_where can i see what is mounted ?00:11
qwazix_ah, ok, try ls'ing /dev/mmc*00:11
qwazix_so you can see what partitions are available00:11
HtheB_i did a simple df -h00:12
HtheB_0p1 = MyDocs00:12
HtheB_0p3 = /home00:12
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HtheB_when ls'ing /dev/mmc* : /dev/mmcblk0, /dev/mmcblk0p1, /dev/mmcblk0p2 and /dev/mmcblk0p300:13
HtheB_ah wait00:14
HtheB_i see there was a command error00:14
qwazix_on my N9 rootfs is mounted from /dev/root00:14
HtheB_meh, i fail00:14
HtheB_i did made a typo :(00:14
HtheB_forget to add /dev/ before mmcblk0p200:15
HtheB_I guess thats what happens when you're excited00:15
HtheB_do you know how to "read" the image00:15
HtheB_or, how to mount it?00:15
HtheB_(how to put it back)00:15
HtheB_im sure it would be possible with ubiboot?00:16
qwazix_I think you just mount it regularly00:16
qwazix_mount -t ext4 /path/to/image /mount/point00:16
qwazix_(I think N9 rootfs is ext4)00:16
qwazix_I haven't used ubiboot though00:17
qwazix_I really got to get some sleep. Good luck with it!00:18
HtheB_Thanks qwazix_ !00:18
HtheB_one last thing00:18
HtheB_before you leave though00:18
HtheB_(you still there ?)00:19
HtheB_nite nite00:20
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lpapphi, is there a way to check the origin of a SIM card in my phone? Number, country, etc?07:24
lpappfor instance Jonni ^07:24
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DocScrutinizer05the SIM has no genuine way to find out about number and such stuff, this gets assigned to the IMSI (or other SIM identifier) during "login" to network. Means: the carrier can change all those details in his database on his server, and your SIM only is linked to those data via the IMSI07:55
DocScrutinizer05*some* SIM have a storage for up to 4 (iirc) 'own numbers'07:55
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DocScrutinizer05but that's more like a scratchpad storage, the content is arbitrary and not guaranteed to be correct or set up at all. My SIM has the correct number in location 0, and "0000" in locations 1, 2, 308:05
DocScrutinizer05allegedly contacts has a menu "my information" that's supposed to display your own number, probably also based on that SIM scratchpad08:06
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DocScrutinizer05generic instructions: >>Press the "Contacts Button" (just below the right softkey) then press "Options" then press "SIM Contacts" and select "SIM Directory" then press "Options" then press "My Numbers"<< (applies in slightly adapted form to all phones that support this, it accesses the SIM phonebook)09:01
DocScrutinizer05I know SIM phonebook isn't very popular anymore these days, afaik the Nokia "maemo" phones still support _import_ from SIM, however I wasn't able to find a appropriate and working AT command in pnatd09:03
DocScrutinizer05at+cpbs=on  *should* do the trick, but it just throws ERROR09:04
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DocScrutinizer05(tested on N900 but I guess the BB5 AT interpreter is quite identical)09:06
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DocScrutinizer05more generic info that reveals some common SIM properties:
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DocScrutinizer05  SSC09:19
DocScrutinizer05or USSD09:20
DocScrutinizer05oooh, and I *think* short or long provider-name may come from SIM, among other sources like table in cmt firmware and OTA from carrier09:23
DocScrutinizer05more about "own number":
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DocScrutinizer05>>According to the GSM specs, only the IMSI is required to be available on the SIM card. The actual phone number MSISDN is stored on the HLR database in the operator's network and does not need to be available on the SIM card or transmitted to the phone .So no matter what technology you are using (Symbina, Java ...) you can never count on being able to consistently get your own phone number from the device or SIM. You might be lucky09:35
DocScrutinizer05if the operator stores it on the SIM or if the phone provides the user with a possibility to enter it manually, but it does not have to be this way.<<
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dm8tbrDocScrutinizer05: and the MSISDN doesn't even need to be your real number09:41
DocScrutinizer05yep :-P09:41
dm8tbre.g. roaming09:41
dm8tbrthere you get a undisclosed MSISDN from a temporary pool and the networks magically route stuff09:42
dm8tbrwould be fun to get those :)09:42
DocScrutinizer05the *#100# approach is somewhat appealing, but obviously highly carrier-dependent09:42
DocScrutinizer05there are also occasionally 0800 numbers that just say your number you're calling the voice-machine with09:43
DocScrutinizer05the SMS approach is rather reliable but costs money and is generally a PITA09:44
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DocScrutinizer05(roaming) I guess _those_ temporary MSISDN are simply not routed from public trunk09:45
DocScrutinizer05I.E. you can't call them09:46
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DocScrutinizer05might be outside of allowed E.164, like "000099<$random:9>"09:48
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DocScrutinizer05dm8tbr: ever heard of!Amd1!PDF-E&type=items09:52
DocScrutinizer05" Emergency contact number notation"09:53
dm8tbrI think I stumbled into that once09:56
dm8tbrsounds more like a 'convention' how people could do things with no way to enforce it09:57
DocScrutinizer05I wonder how useful it is when you and now me are the only persons on earth that stumbled into it. Talking about police, hospitals, etc09:57
dm8tbrofc software vendors could adhere to it and emulate it09:57
dm8tbrwell, if the phone is unlocked, people do tend to check the phone book for possibly suitable entries, BTDT09:58
dm8tbrso it's not a bad choice09:58
dm8tbrthe thing is obviously, how do you get people to store them this way09:59
dm8tbrIMHO a sensible approach would be a wizzard on setup09:59
dm8tbr04nsa is redundant, as they are 'cc' to all calls anyway, especially to the first 3 numbers10:00
DocScrutinizer05ooh I missed: 00dont-call-me-there10:01
DocScrutinizer05meh, it's 0[1-9].*10:03
DocScrutinizer05so neither of the last two is valid10:03
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how many users actually use the option to store SSC (like *#67#) to contacts10:05
DocScrutinizer05I actually have *104#10:05
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DocScrutinizer05I have a lot like #31#<the real number>10:07
DocScrutinizer05and since starhash-enabler this actually works on N90010:08
DocScrutinizer05I can't recall if <the number>w<some dtmf> works10:10
DocScrutinizer05or <number>p<some dtmf>10:10
dm8tbrthat stuff was quite useful. I think I used it on my 9300, don't remember if I tried on the N95010:11
dm8tbrgreat to auto-dial into a regular telco10:11
DocScrutinizer055667P2 works10:13
DocScrutinizer05on N90010:13
DocScrutinizer05(O2 Germany: check balance)10:14
DocScrutinizer05if you wonder: P is on triple-*10:14
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imunsieAnyone know how to force a downgrade with flasher?10:50
imunsieI upgraded to pr1.3, some time later my fs got corrupt and the N9 ended up in a reboot loop10:50
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imunsieI repaired that with an openmode kernel and fsck.ext4 from my laptop10:50
imunsieEver since then it's been behaving a bit oddly10:51
imunsieOccasional spontaneous reboots10:51
imunsiescreen no longer turns off by itself (it is set to)10:52
imunsieNever refreshes facebook/twitter (the fs corruption was concentrated around the feed caches)10:52
imunsiedmesg shows some correctable ECC errors10:52
imunsieSo I want to reflash10:53
imunsieBut Nokia in all their wisdom seems to have shut down navifirm10:53
imunsieSo I can't get the URLs to download pr1.3.110:53
imunsieAnd flasher refuses to flash pr1.3 because that would be downgrading10:53
imunsieSeems like Nokia just did another big FUCK YOU to all their non Microsoft users10:54
imunsieAlternatively, can anyone find the URLs for the Australia 16GB black unbranded pr1.3.1 firmware + MMC image?11:00
imunsieFor that matter, what's the new firmware version number for 1.3.1?11:00
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infobot[skeiron] the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:, or see: ~tabletsdev11:01
infoboti heard firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt  Firmware for GrandStream phones is at
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues skeiron11:02
infobotFactoid search of 'skeiron' by value (1): skeiron.11:02
DocScrutinizer05~#harmattan firmware is
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0511:03
DocScrutinizer05 and don't ask what a PITA it been to download all that11:04
DocScrutinizer05and what it did to skeiron's available storage space11:05
imunsie40.2012.21.3 is pr1.3 which I have11:05
imunsieHmmm... my about product shows the same version number11:06
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imunsieMaybe I'm misremembering the recent update11:06
imunsieSomething about an update to the celular radio to fix some compatibility issues or something11:07
imunsieRegardless, flasher isn't letting me reflash that version :(11:07
imunsieGrr Downgrade disallowed (1342067459)11:08
imunsieWhere is the version number stored it's comparing against?11:08
imunsieIn one of the mtd partitions?11:08
imunsieAnd is it's tpm chip going to stop me editing it?11:09
imunsieHmmm, well I can reflash the MMC image... if only that was the bad bit that needs reflashing...11:10
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DocScrutinizer05downgrading is blocked by all the TPM crap in harmattan11:14
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DocScrutinizer05I *think* it's based on version of CMT firmware11:15
DocScrutinizer05or at least stored in CMT11:15
DocScrutinizer05allegedly there's a workaround how you could downgrade nevertheless, but it's not public yet11:16
DocScrutinizer05mifgr have sth to do with coldflashing and using PR1.0 maybe, but that's only wild guessing by me. Also I heard flasher-3.5 (the fremantle flasher) can do stuff that doesn't work on flasher-3.12 or whatever it was that's recommended for harmattan11:18
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: might have sth to do with coldflashing and using PR1.0 maybe, but that's only wild guessing by me. Also I heard flasher-3.5 (the fremantle flasher) can do stuff that doesn't work on flasher-3.12 or whatever it was that's recommended for harmattan11:18
imunsiehmmm, well it looks like CMT and the MMC are the only things it is going to allow me to flash11:22
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imunsieWhat do we know about it's TPM chip? Do we have a data sheet for it?11:27
DocScrutinizer05the "tpm chip" is partially inside the ARM SoC and partially inside the BB5 modem11:28
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DocScrutinizer05I *guess* it works like that: the OMAP ARM SoC boots only to a bootloader (NOLO) that's signed with the key that is stored in SoC's ROM (well, actually the privatekey to that pubkey in ROM). NOLO then communicates to BB5 CMT and verifies all further signatures and whatnot by sending them to BB5 and BB5 replies with either "OK" or "tampered"11:33
DocScrutinizer05same does the signed kernel that NOLO loads after verifying it11:34
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DocScrutinizer05NOLO also is responsible for normal flashing, so it probably verifies all images that you try to flash against that key in BB5 - and possibly compares the version against any version stored wherever, may it be CAL (which reportedly can't get changed by user in N9), or may it be BB511:38
imunsiethat makes sense11:39
imunsieSo, I guess the question is where is the version number stored that NOLO checks11:39
* DocScrutinizer05 still wonders if the OMAP hw actually allows permanent write-protection of parts of NAND. Only heard of write-protect bits that can get cleared as well as set11:40
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imunsieAnd can I change that with (say) an open mode kernel, or by hooking up my bus pirate to whatever chip stores it11:40
DocScrutinizer05openmode kernel switches NAND into write-protected mode11:40
DocScrutinizer05actually NOLO does, on loading an openmode kernel11:41
imunsieHmmm... it looks like flashing the mmc flashes /home as well as MyDocs11:41
imunsie /home was where all the corruption was11:41
imunsieso, it's possible I might be ok now11:41
DocScrutinizer05CAL is a NAND partition11:42
imunsieI'd still like to reflash the whole thing at some point11:42
DocScrutinizer05that's why you can't change the lockcode in openmode - it's also stored in CAL11:42
DocScrutinizer05likewise you couldn't reset the version info if it was stored in CAL11:43
imunsieAnd let me guess, the TPM chip locks down part of the nand so you can't just use /dev/mtd*11:43
DocScrutinizer05you *might* be able to do sth about it with inception or other exploits that not even leave HS-mode11:44
dm8tbrthere is no tpm chip as such11:44
dm8tbrit's the secure mode of the SoC11:44
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-27 10:28:46] <DocScrutinizer05> the "tpm chip" is partially inside the ARM SoC and partially inside the BB5 modem11:44
DocScrutinizer05with openshell in secure mode you might be able to nuke or tweak /dev/mtd1(?) aka CAL11:45
dm8tbrnuke is a bad bad idea11:45
DocScrutinizer05alas we have no proper tools to access CAL in a sensible way11:45
DocScrutinizer05there's calvaria to read out CAL11:47
DocScrutinizer05I don't think it can write new values to CAL though11:47
imunsieIs the nand integrated in the SoC, or separate?11:48
DocScrutinizer05actually I think it's in OneNAND POP11:48
DocScrutinizer05so pretty much integrated into SoC, while SoC is basically two chips11:49
DocScrutinizer05and yes, nuking CAL is a terribly stupid idea, since it bricks your device permanently11:52
DocScrutinizer05and we actually got *one* tool to mess with CAL, and that's flasher-3.12 which supposedly can access CAL to store new certs there11:53
dm8tbra cold flash would put everything else in place, but NOLO would likely bomb out during boot11:53
DocScrutinizer05and I bet coldflash secondary image (or was it 2nd image) NOLO has a means to flash CAL11:54
dm8tbrwell, they have to do the factory imaging somehow. either by flasher or some other specific tool that does pretty much the same thing11:55
dm8tbrsecure payload bootloaders and then secure minimal OS11:55
imunsiewell, there are jtag pins under the sim card tray11:56
imunsieSo, they could use them for initial bootstrap11:56
DocScrutinizer05phoenix? It can do other messing-around to CAL (calibrating ALS etc) as well11:57
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dm8tbrimunsie: are those jtag? I know that one serial port is there, no idea about other uses12:00
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imunsieI think that's what I saw on the schematics12:03
* imunsie opens them up...12:04
DocScrutinizer05actually the N900 has the JTAG pins omitted in the schematics, as well as the UART12:06
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imunsieJ5611 = JTAG_EMU0, J5612 = JTAG_EMU112:06
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imunsieThose are the two pins further back on the opposite side of the serial12:07
DocScrutinizer05hmm, must be years since I last looked at N9 schematics12:09
DocScrutinizer05actually I'm not sure if I have it at hand12:09
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imunsieThey're not too hard to find with Google12:11
imunsieI grabbed them to work out which the serial console was while I was in my reboot loop12:11
DocScrutinizer05 /home/jr/halley2/home/jr/Documents/N900/N950/N9_RM-696_schematics_v1.0.pdf12:11
imunsieThen I remembered about turning off the lifeguard reset12:12
infoboti guess update is
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if there are N9 JTAG plugs (SIM holder) available out there12:16
dm8tbrprobably inside nokia :)12:17
DocScrutinizer05of course12:17
imunsieYeah, it was a bit haphazard holding a wire on the serial pin with one hand, and trying to operate the N9 + minicom with the other :)12:18
DocScrutinizer05they tiny tools they produuce in 100..500 quantities, for insane amounts of money per unit12:18
DocScrutinizer05imunsie: I doubt you could hold any wire to those contacts, it seems to me they are pretty well covered inside the case12:19
imunsieI used a breadboard jumper wire since the tip was solid, and I only needed the tx pin since I didn't care about sending anything back12:21
DocScrutinizer05ooh, are they actually on the edge of the PCB, quite next to the opening of the SIM slot?12:21
imunsiethe ones on the outside are pretty easy to get to12:21
imunsieI wouldn't like to hold a wire to the ones on the inside though - I'd probably end up shorting something out12:21
DocScrutinizer05ugh what I thought were contcts is actually a writing "FCC bla bla bla"12:23
imunsielol - other side on the PCB12:23
DocScrutinizer05aaah there they are12:23
imunsieI wonder if I can convince someone at the local hacker space to make something to break them out12:24
DocScrutinizer05local hackerspace? rather ask a watchmaker12:26
DocScrutinizer05or a goldsmith12:26
dm8tbra pcb with some spring contacts should be enough12:27
imunsieYeah, that's what I was thinking12:27
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if a flex PCB sticked to the existing SIM golder would do12:27
DocScrutinizer05spring contacts that size are pretty hard to actually build on a PCB12:28
dm8tbrsim contacts are the same size12:28
dm8tbrand can be ordered from the part supplier of your least distrust12:28
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thedead1440sigh... HtheB always pings me and then disappears...20:46
thedead1440HtheB when you read the logs, its an uncomplicated procedure, steps of which can be found here:
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