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| imunsie | DocScrutinizer51: dm8tbr: Thanks for your help yesterday. Turns out "downgrade disallowed" can also mean "that's the wrong product code, schmuck" | 08:35 |
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| dm8tbr | imunsie: correct | 09:24 |
| dm8tbr | within the same firmware version, only the same code is allowed. you can only change the code only if you upgrade to a newer firmware. which obviously is impossible if you already are on the latest | 09:25 |
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| imunsie | Interestingly the screen not turning off issue must have crept into the backup I made (post fsck). Reflashed and restored again sans-settings.zip and only a partial contacts.zip (since the fs corruption was mostly around the ~/.cache) and the display seems to be turning off properly again | 10:17 |
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| imunsie | Just out of curiosity - has anyone ever seen an N9 who's low power standby screen displays the time in bright cyan instead of dim white? | 10:22 |
| CissWit | yes, by changing the good css file | 10:22 |
| imunsie | It happens on a collegues N9, but he's never bothered figuring out why (he didn't customise it) | 10:22 |
| mschlens_ | imunsie: no but I know that you can change the colors | 10:22 |
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| imunsie | I know the coulours can be changed by editing the css - I always change mine to red so it isn't as bright at night | 10:23 |
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| imunsie | But he has never done that to his | 10:23 |
| imunsie | Even after he reflashed it it's the same | 10:23 |
| CissWit | then no :) | 10:24 |
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| imunsie | It's most interesting to me that the display seems to get brighter instead of dimmer - seems like something is backwards somewhere | 10:30 |
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| imunsie | I wonder how much it contributes to his battery life... he has mentioned that it isn't so great, on the other hand he uses his more actively than I do so it's hard to compare | 10:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | imunsie: however consider that every photon costs 1000s of electrons eaten from battery. Regarding _bright_ cyan | 10:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, you wonder how it can change on its own. Hard to tell, maybe some hw defect | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or some sw defect or setting | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also mind you OLED displays are notorious to have a greenish color when looked at from the side | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | regarding "cyan" | 10:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | imunsie: is his display generally oddly colored, also during normal operation? | 10:54 |
| imunsie | In normal operation the display is fine - looks the same as mine | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, then a hw defect is rather improbable | 10:55 |
| imunsie | But when we both hit standby the clock is displayed in white at whatever brightness our displays are set to for a moment, then mine dims but remains white to go into low power, while his gets brighter and turns cyan | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's ODD | 10:56 |
| imunsie | So, whatever the issue is it is clearly only triggered by the low power mode | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather by the dimming | 10:57 |
| imunsie | yeah | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but sure, dimming and low-power-mode and power-savings-mode are closely entangled | 10:58 |
| dm8tbr | could be some app he installed | 10:58 |
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| imunsie | dm8tbr: It even happened immediately after he did a complete reflash before he restored anything | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check you brightness settings, your device-display-timeout and standbyscreen settings | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on both devices | 10:59 |
| dm8tbr | imunsie: that's weird indeed | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery-powersavermode | 11:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and yeah, I bet there are display calibrations in CAL, to compensate white balance on several brightness levels | 11:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dm8tbr: any info on that? | 11:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in /sys there must be a few sysnodes to tune/tweak such display parameters | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even the display itself may have a local "cal" for such settings, in controller chip | 11:03 |
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| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer05: no idea, never looked at cal | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I more wondered if you ever looked at display calibration on hw level | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka white/gray/black balance | 11:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (the latter quite uncommon since ... black is black is black, _usually_) | 11:06 |
| imunsie | DocScrutinizer05: I just compared our settings for display & battery - the only difference we could see was the display timeout we had set | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if that's even part of Xwindows | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | imunsie: I guess that's caused by a hw-decalibration or -variance | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *seem* to recall similar reports about color balance way off the normal range, from other users of N9 | 11:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually noticed soon after purchase and swapped device on warranty | 11:09 |
| imunsie | yeah, his has always had this issue, but since it only affects the standby screen he hasn't really worried about it | 11:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | how's video on device looking? do you notice differences between yours and his in dark scenes of same movie on both devices? | 11:11 |
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| imunsie | I'd have to compare to be certain, but we have never noticed any differences like that | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also haha just noticed lockscreen display vanishes on bright ALS | 11:14 |
| imunsie | ALS? | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ambient light sensor | 11:14 |
| imunsie | really? | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right of "NOKIA" | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I point there with a flashlight and the time dispay vanishes | 11:15 |
| imunsie | I think that's just the proximity sensor disabling it | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems on N900 they practiced for that function X-P | 11:16 |
| imunsie | You can get the same effect if you hold your hand over that area for a couple of seconds | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, since covering same area with my hand doesn't have same effect | 11:16 |
| imunsie | Or do you mean you are holding the flashlight some distance from the screen? | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh right | 11:16 |
| * imunsie makes a mental note to try that later | 11:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nm, you're right | 11:17 |
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| * imunsie is searching online for "Beer cafe" (in Drive) | 11:22 | |
| imunsie | Something about that message is awesome | 11:22 |
| imunsie | Well, I have beers to go to | 11:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 curses maemo for obviously never having heard of ntp. "you need a SIM before you can use `automatic time update´!" WTF? | 11:24 | |
| mschlens_ | Awesome, isn't it? | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I once had a (casio, citizen?) wrist watch that had the option to adjust seconds to closest full minute (range -29 .. +30s) on simply double-clicking the "ok" button on the watch | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn was that a useful and convenient feature | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you not even had to look at your watch to adjust it to any time source from where ever you ran into one | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | assuming you once a week did the double-click thingie on the "with the last tone it's umpteen o clock. pip ... pip ... pip ... peeeeep" | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you never had to worry about correct setting of your wrist watch time | 11:31 |
| valdur55 | I have good idea for LED notify. | 11:31 |
| valdur55 | It should notify about open network.... | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder why maemo can't do same, with e.g ntp. once a day, if connectivity available | 11:32 |
| valdur55 | Open connection.... | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | valdur55: I#m not sure what you're after, but just let me say that wlan chip eats insane amounts of power for searching APs | 11:33 |
| valdur55 | I allways use PSM and connection is automaticaly closed, but when browser is opened then connection is also opened. | 11:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | i'd rather slightly modify this idea so notifier LED works all the same like the LED next to your regular ethernet NIC's rj45 receptacle: flash on each data transmission - well and yeah maybe light steady when "cable is plugged" aka connection established | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly for GPRS this would be mad useful | 11:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 say "thank you so much for this idea" and wanders off to the sketing board to design the app that does this for maemo5 | 11:38 | |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer05: nitpick. in that case it would be SNTP and the utility is ntpdate | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 11:39 |
| dm8tbr | which should be easy enough to implement | 11:40 |
| dm8tbr | timed and all that | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware though that ntpdate is deprecated and obsolete? Not that I'd have any sympathy for that silly move they did | 11:40 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, bla and all that :) | 11:41 |
| dm8tbr | IIRC they integrated SNTP into ntpd or sthg like that | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, but they failed to implement the damn useful "only *display* ntp time" option into ntpd | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you no longer can compare local time to ntp time by >> ntpdate; date; ntpdate << | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather >> date; ntpdate; date << | 11:43 |
| dm8tbr | doesn't busybox even do ntpdate? | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't think so | 11:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I preach for including a single "ntpdate" to ifup, on mobile devices, since ~6 years now | 11:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ntpd is incredibly inappropriate for systems that have intermittent connectivity to the internet | 11:47 |
| deram | openwrt suggests 'ntpd -q' as alternative for ntpdate | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but that afaik doesn't do exactly what ntpdate does | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -q Exit the ntpd just after the first time the clock is *set*. | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what if I don't _want_ the clock to get adjusted? | 11:56 |
| deram | yep.. it does not just show the remote time | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the devels boldy failed on implementing a proper replacement of ntpdate | 11:56 |
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| deram | surely ntpd should have option to "just show what you would do without making the changes" | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | feels poettering | 12:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >> | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BUGS | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ntpd has gotten rather fat. While not huge, it has gotten larger than might be desirable for an elevated-priority ntpd running on a workstation, particularly since many of the | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fancy features which consume the space were designed more with a busy primary server, rather than a high stratum workstation in mind. | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | << | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now consider how the above statement sounds - or should sound - with "workstation" replaced by "embedded device" | 12:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LAST ORDER! BoD elections closing in ~12h. VOTE if you didn't yet! | 14:23 |
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