IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-12-26

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juicemeWhen I boot it to single user mode, I can see that kernel command line has been changed to "init=/sbin/preinit root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait rootflags=errors=remount-ro rootfstype=ext4 ... and so on"00:10
juicemeSo I have to conclude that the command line set to the zImage is overwritten by NOLO...00:11
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Hurrianjuiceme: you still here?00:54
Hurrianthat's interesting. Tell your first stage kernel to discard cmdline passed by bootloader00:55
HurrianIt's a config option.00:55
HurrianNOLO may be passing the IMEI etc. boot args to the kernel.00:55
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juicemeHi Hurrian, still here01:27
juicemeI'll have to do that. I was just compiling some debug code into mount_block_root() to see what the fsck is going on01:28
Hurrianbut, once executing into another system, you must pass complete bootargs to it01:31
Hurrianjust like on Nemo, where a file called "cmdline" must be placed to dual-boot with Harmattan, because of the need to pass IMEI, serial no. and other data to the kernel01:32
Hurrian(the file cmdline is the contents of /proc/cmdline once booted into Harmattan)01:33
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juicemeDid some further testing now... yes, it looks like that NOLO overrides the command line given as the config option.02:24
juicemeI did not find what option to set to make the kernel discard the given command line?02:25
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juicemeaa. is it "CONFIG_CMDLINE_OVERRIDE" ?02:30
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juicemeno. The behaviour is exactly same even as I added "CONFIG_CMDLINE_OVERRIDE=y"02:42
juicemeAnd now as I looked at it a bit, it seems to be available only from 2.6.36–>onwards.02:44
juicemeso it looks like I have to patch 2.6.32 by hand if I want to fix this...02:45
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DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil:  signature across firmware is what allows flashing the the fiasco to a particular device21:47
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: aiui21:47
SpeedEvilso depending on the delivered keys on production devices, especially if regionalised, may need lots.21:50
SpeedEvilor the firmwares may not install on a randomly picked device21:51
SpeedEvilhow many terabytes was the total of firmwares?21:54
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DocScrutinizer05I feel somewhat silly to backup this huge amount of almost identical cruft for Nokia21:59
juicemegigabytes are cheap nowdays :)22:00
DocScrutinizer05[general notice] If you haven't updated to most recent harmattan firmware release, take care of keeping a copy of the "obolete" firmware you need for reflashing22:01
DocScrutinizer05maemo council and board might not be able to migrate all existing harmattan firmware images to new servers22:02
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: orly? also on hosting?22:02
DocScrutinizer05we're not talking about the USB external HDD next to your laptop22:03
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SpeedEvilwell, unless you have unlimited transfer :-)22:08
DocScrutinizer05  and   and   is what we're talking about here22:09
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juicemeyes, of course hosating costs something, but the costs have gone down a lot the last few years22:23
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juicemeso that's about 2TB total, right?22:25
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SpeedEvil2tb, ideally on some form of service that will not go down if one person loads interest, or gets hit by a bus22:36
juicemeSo are we talking about the emmc.bin & firmware.bin images or what? This is a bit unclear to me still...22:42
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juicemeBecause, are all the local variants really needed, would it not be enough just to have the unbranded variants for PR1.1, PR1.2 & PR1.3 ?22:43
juicemeI mean, who is using some obscure carrier-branded images anyway?22:44
pathose who didnt know, and updgraded OTA till 1.3?22:44
juicemea, waitaminute, ofcourse there are thr maps for each area22:45
juicemebut I isn't it still possible to flash to unbranded PR1.3 from a branded PR1.3?22:45
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DocScrutinizer05same as downgrading which also isn't possible22:50
DocScrutinizer05and 2TB on a dedicated server are already some $$ each month22:50
njsfI once was able to flash from a branded Singapore PR1.1 to a ROW PR 1.122:50
DocScrutinizer05for the storage alone22:50
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, for backup it would be favorable to get all that's available, but we won't do that most probably for "obsolete" versions, since downgrade isn't possible anyway22:52
DocScrutinizer05so if *anybody* out there still on an 'obsolete' PR version, they are kindly requested to keep their local copy for reflashing, since the 'official' firmware might disappear22:53
njsfMy hosting plan is unlimited storage + bandwidth (on a shared host)22:54
juicemewell yes, as long as downgrading does not work that makes sense. Altough, just in case it becomes possible it might be wise to store all the versions privately.22:54
njsfBut I haven't tried hosting a couple of Tera there ;)22:54
DocScrutinizer05unlimited storage HAHA22:54
juicemelike, 2TB HDD costs about 100£ anyways...22:54
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DocScrutinizer05no, just 20£ - PER MONTH22:55
juicemenjsf, how much is unlimited? on carrier lingo it might well be 10MB or so :)22:55
njsfFor my host plan, it really should be unlimited22:56
njsfBUT I have not "abused" it yet22:57
njsfso I don't know if throttling or other things could be applied to the shared host22:57
juicemewell usually they will come up with all sorts of funny excuses if you start carrying REALLY heavy traffic..22:57
njsfI know, that is why I won't count on much for it22:58
njsfbut I guess for a mirror of a big archive I guess it could be used22:58
njsfof course, of the Nokia images they could have a legitimate reason to terminate the account22:59
njsfsince they are not exactly "public domain"22:59
DocScrutinizer05traffic is usually limited at some 2..20TB/month - depending on carrier you can book higher limits for additional bucks, or you accept 10% of bandwidth when tripping the limit (same as for 3G dataplans etc)22:59
DocScrutinizer05on Hetzner for example you got bandwidth 100Mb which goes down to 10Mb permanently once tripped the 10TB/month limit23:01
njsfYeah, I don't know the specifics for dreamhost23:03
njsfIt does not affect me really at this point ;)23:03
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njsfAh found it23:06
njsfHere are some specific examples of things not allowed:23:06
njsfCopyrighted content to which you do not hold usage or distribution rights.23:06
njsfFile upload / sharing / archive / backup / mirroring / distribution sites.23:06
njsfSo hosting those files would not be allowed in "unlimited"23:07
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flohollHi all, I fail to register any SIP accounts on my Nokia N9 under a standard DSL connection. Pretty sure settings are all ok. Any knowledge of N9-specific SIP issues?23:16
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