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| jonni | Khertan_n9: http://my-meego.com/downloads/search.php?name=FTPclient | 00:20 |
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| evil_core | what advantages got Nemo over Harmattan? | 00:24 |
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| rZr | evil_core, 1 its alive | 00:27 |
| rZr | 2 its fully open | 00:27 |
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| rZr | enough said | 00:27 |
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| evil_core | open is not always advantage | 00:47 |
| evil_core | will maps work on it? | 00:47 |
| evil_core | so I can install Harmattan, Nemo and Nitdroid SBS? | 00:48 |
| evil_core | what with interchangeability of user data(especially contacts, messages and calendar) between Nemo and Harmattan? | 00:51 |
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| rZr | evil_core, SBS ? | 00:57 |
| evil_core | side by side | 00:57 |
| rZr | yes triple boot it | 00:58 |
| evil_core | I am also wondering why not chroot? | 00:58 |
| rZr | yes I thought about that too | 00:58 |
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| evil_core | Nemo and Harmattan uses X11 and Pulseaudio, right? | 00:58 |
| evil_core | I don't know Android internals, but the problem is display server, right? | 00:59 |
| rZr | there is that vnc hack | 01:00 |
| rZr | evil_core, is nitdroid still active ? https://gitorious.org/~e-yes | 01:01 |
| evil_core | but you could run Android over X11 under X86 in QtDevelop, cannot you do that under Harmattan? | 01:01 |
| evil_core | I don't know | 01:01 |
| evil_core | I am waitong for N9, will got it in few days | 01:01 |
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| evil_core | but I want to collect all info I need, download everything, and when it arrive, Install what I need and start using it | 01:03 |
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| rZr | evil_core, do u have some devel skills ? | 01:07 |
| evil_core | I hate OOP, but I am linux distro dev | 01:08 |
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| evil_core | I like writing shell scripts | 01:12 |
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| evil_core | Its easy to brick N9 in unrecoverable state? | 01:16 |
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| rZr | evil_core, because i am hiring some packagers fools | 01:17 |
| rZr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/harmattan | 01:17 |
| evil_core | rZr: I worked on rpm packages and don't like ubuntu, but switching shouldn't be problem probably | 01:18 |
| rZr | i rebuilt over 700 packages for n9 | 01:19 |
| evil_core | I downloaded Fedora(because mine PLD distro switched from rpm4 to unsupported rpm5 and database broken totally) | 01:19 |
| evil_core | I hoped only Harmattan was .deb based, and MeeGo/Tizen will be rpm-based | 01:20 |
| rZr | that's it | 01:24 |
| evil_core | rZr: but you want to hire .deb packagers, not .rpm ones, right? | 01:25 |
| rZr | mostly yes | 01:25 |
| evil_core | why do you need old gtk+2, to run old maemo blobs? | 01:26 |
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| rZr | yes trying to make an inclusive plaform | 01:28 |
| rZr | anyway we have gtk2 already | 01:28 |
| evil_core | its leading to catastrophe, we will need to rewrite everything as SPEC files when switching to Nemo from Harmattan | 01:28 |
| evil_core | but gtk+2 is X11 only, while Qt4, Qt5, EFL and GTK+3 can run under wayland | 01:29 |
| rZr | so far | 01:29 |
| evil_core | Can I install nokia apps under Nemo Mobile? | 01:29 |
| rZr | i doubt today | 01:30 |
| evil_core | like NFS, facebook, Skype and Maps? | 01:30 |
| evil_core | and what about bricking mine phone, its possible to bring it to unbrickable(w/o desoldering PROM) state? | 01:31 |
| rZr | only maps will be useful for me | 01:31 |
| rZr | i donno anyone who briked it , but double check in the forum | 01:31 |
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| evil_core | rZr: but Maps couldn't be run because of DRM, or simply there simple porting of dependencies is needed? | 01:36 |
| rZr | in a chroot it could work | 01:38 |
| evil_core | 1st thing I should do is switching to open kernel mode? | 01:40 |
| rZr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88091&page=2 | 01:41 |
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| evil_core | rZr: you wnat to tell me to not install PR1.3? | 01:44 |
| rZr | just pasting some amazing informations in case of | 01:46 |
| evil_core | it sucks, I hate blanking of address bar after typo :/ | 01:50 |
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| evil_core | rZr: webbrowser is closed source and cannot be patched? | 01:54 |
| evil_core | Is there a list with harmattan components, when I can find if its open/patchable? | 02:00 |
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| evil_core | Mass Storage Memory | 02:12 |
| evil_core | 16 GB[1] | 02:12 |
| evil_core | ROM Memory | 02:12 |
| evil_core | 512 MB | 02:12 |
| evil_core | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9/ | 02:12 |
| evil_core | It means that it has 512 FPROM for booloader/kernel and additional 64GB? | 02:13 |
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| * rZr http://rzr.online.fr/q/cam# working on packaging an alt camera app : CameraPlus for #n9 #n950club wanna test @detkodave @AllBoutN9 #HarmattanDev | 03:17 | |
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| pa | not a news i guess | 12:46 |
| pa | but harmattan-dev seems to be up now | 12:46 |
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| khertan | pa, now the question is : for how much time ... | 13:09 |
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| khertan | apps for meego request aren't review since a month | 13:12 |
| khertan | :( | 13:12 |
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| cos- | hi, does anyone know about apps.formeego.org status? | 13:16 |
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| rigo | khertan, do you also have problems to switch from Wifi to 3G and back? I have particularly problems with SFR | 13:29 |
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| rigo | khertan, as there is no big corp behind anymore, community has to organize. Unfortunately, I'm not a programmer. But would you review stuff (that is not your own)? | 13:31 |
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| suosaaski | rigo: my n9 seems to have problems when switching between 3g and wifi (for example, from wifi to 3g it seems that facebook chat does not want to log in unless I open a web page with my browser...) | 13:47 |
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| Lava_Croft | suosaaski: I have that problem too, concerning switching connections and logging in to FB chat | 17:06 |
| Lava_Croft | I haven't found any solution yet, besides ditching FB chat like that altogether and just use Bitlbee | 17:06 |
| Lava_Croft | suosaaski: another way of getting it to login is to open the menu and do All Online and then All Offline | 17:07 |
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| Lava_Croft | (and then All Online again, heh) | 17:07 |
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| Khertan_n9 | rigo, i got many problem with sfr, they didn't implement completely the gsm protocol, example no date time sync | 17:21 |
| Khertan_n9 | and there is strange protocol error too that make my n950 losing network | 17:22 |
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| Khertan_n9 | i leave that sucky isp | 17:23 |
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| Khertan_n9 | now everything works like a charm with free | 17:23 |
| arcean | Khertan_n9: your n950 has cellmo firmware from PR 1.3? | 17:27 |
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| Khertan_n9 | arcean that happen since beta 2 firmware, and i ve tried all, 1.3 included | 17:34 |
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| arcean | do you remember what syslog says? | 17:35 |
| arcean | Khertan_n9: it might be the same issue as with N900, when cellmo-related 'thing' tries to separate from the motherboard | 17:48 |
| arcean | it often happens to devices that get dropped | 17:49 |
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| Khertan_n9 | didn't remember well, but unknow modem error , simatk error, csd failed, | 17:50 |
| rigo | arcean: I would have to look that up | 17:51 |
| Khertan_n9 | same device works well with an other ISP | 17:51 |
| Khertan_n9 | and other n9 owner report same problem with that ISP | 17:51 |
| * rigo too, no prob on vodafone in roaming | 17:51 | |
| arcean | to be honest I don't have any problems with n950 and cellmo | 17:52 |
| arcean | but then my n9 sometimes goes foobar | 17:52 |
| Khertan_n9 | didn't have any since i change ISP | 17:52 |
| * rigo is N9 and on certain cells 3G hangs and on others it works | 17:53 | |
| trx | my n950 can't send sms, does anyone have any experience with that? | 17:53 |
| arcean | rigo: yeah that's what happens to me | 17:53 |
| trx | it can receive them tho | 17:53 |
| Khertan_n9 | but n9 reception is far better (i live in an area with poor coverage) | 17:54 |
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| arcean | hmm | 17:54 |
| arcean | let me check | 17:54 |
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| arcean | n900/n950/n5: 5/4/4 | 17:54 |
| arcean | the same SIP | 17:55 |
| arcean | err ISP | 17:55 |
| Khertan_n9 | i thinks it s depends of the bands frequency used | 17:55 |
| arcean | Khertan_n9: when I'm in train my n9 is almost useless | 17:56 |
| Khertan_n9 | n900/n950/n9 : 1/0/3 | 17:56 |
| arcean | it keeps dropping signal for the whole time | 17:56 |
| Khertan_n9 | lol it's the opposite for me | 17:56 |
| Khertan_n9 | where did u live ? | 17:57 |
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| arcean | sometimes I think the cellmo firmware is screwed :) | 17:57 |
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| arcean | Khertan_n9: Wroclaw, Poland | 17:57 |
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| Khertan_n9 | Paris, France | 17:59 |
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| Khertan_n9 | 3g in France is on 900 bands, while in Poland it's 2100 | 18:01 |
| Khertan_n9 | different antennas, different results ;) | 18:01 |
| arcean | might be :) | 18:02 |
| arcean | here 900MHz is used for GSM | 18:02 |
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| Khertan_n9 | mostly 1800 here | 18:03 |
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| lpapp | rZr: going to FOSDEM next year? | 19:16 |
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| rZr | lpapp, donno yet | 20:19 |
| rZr | i wish yes | 20:19 |
| lpapp | rZr: I am thinking of proposing a talk to the mobile and embedded room | 20:19 |
| lpapp | but not sure out of which idea :) | 20:19 |
| lpapp | I have 4-5 ideas at least. | 20:19 |
| rZr | see the openmoko communities | 20:20 |
| rZr | they're active | 20:20 |
| rZr | well i can talk about harmattan but who cares ? | 20:20 |
| rZr | and off course sides projects you're all aware... | 20:20 |
| rZr | or maybe I can talk of other work related stuff ... have to talk w/ boss | 20:21 |
| lpapp | talk about cute women | 20:23 |
| lpapp | with nacked slides :D | 20:23 |
| lpapp | ok, I stop joking. | 20:25 |
| lpapp | I do not think it makes sense about Harmattan. | 20:25 |
| lpapp | to talk* | 20:25 |
| lpapp | but you could about Android stuff. | 20:25 |
| lpapp | or Tizen, whatever. | 20:25 |
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| Khertan_n9 | Nemo mobile, tizen is born dead | 20:42 |
| lpapp | and nemo mobile is not | 20:44 |
| lpapp | ahaha :D :D :D | 20:44 |
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| rubdos | lpapp, interesting, let me know if you do talk about something like that; I live in Belgium and coming to FOSDEM | 20:53 |
| rubdos | (With my N9 ;p probably loaded with sailfishos by then) | 20:53 |
| lpapp | rubdos: :) | 20:53 |
| lpapp | I have such random ideas like: | 20:53 |
| lpapp | 1) Why is opensource education important? | 20:54 |
| lpapp | 2) What is going on with BB around Qt/KDE | 20:54 |
| rubdos | BB? | 20:54 |
| lpapp | 3) Qt got into Automotive?? | 20:54 |
| lpapp | 4) Where are we now with KDE Mobile | 20:54 |
| lpapp | etc :) | 20:54 |
| lpapp | 5) Future of Qt3D | 20:55 |
| lpapp | rubdos: BB = Blackberry. | 20:55 |
| lpapp | 6) How to utilize the qt graphics power in industrial projects? | 20:56 |
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| rubdos | Sounds interesting | 20:57 |
| rubdos | What about BB, do they use an Qt OS? I only know Android and Harmattan ;p | 20:57 |
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| lpapp | yes | 20:58 |
| lpapp | they use cascades | 20:58 |
| rubdos | howhowhow. Is the OS open? | 20:59 |
| lpapp | unfortunately not. | 20:59 |
| leinir | Not quite, they're using QNX under the hood | 20:59 |
| lpapp | they actually made QNX close. >_< | 20:59 |
| rubdos | :'( | 20:59 |
| rubdos | Well, I hope SailFish will be as open as possible... | 21:00 |
| lpapp | yeah, QNX is a very nice kernel. It is very sad for the QNX community. | 21:00 |
| lpapp | but that is apparently the best we can get as of now. | 21:00 |
| leinir | well, that's the funny thing - with the Qt project having a very big foot in the door in RIM now, the concept of the dual license is already starting to filter in :) | 21:01 |
| leinir | So... there is hope :) | 21:01 |
| rubdos | Great! :D | 21:01 |
| rubdos | btw, anyone knows how I can install g++ compiler on my N9 default Harmattan? Dev mode is enabled and I'm a linux/debian/ubuntu/arch/fedora/... guru ;) | 21:02 |
| rubdos | (suse,...) | 21:03 |
| lpapp | we can always fork the last qnx version, too. :p | 21:03 |
| leinir | *cough* a guru would not ask that question ;) | 21:03 |
| rubdos | I'm not an Harmattan guru :D | 21:03 |
| rubdos | I'm on PR1.3 and there's something going wrong when I apt-get install g++-... | 21:03 |
| lpapp | what is wrong? | 21:04 |
| lpapp | what do you get? | 21:04 |
| rubdos | Let me test ... | 21:04 |
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| lpapp | rubdos: where do you live in Belgium? Leuven is quite a nice place. | 21:06 |
| rubdos | lpapp, Hemiksem, south of Antwerp | 21:07 |
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| rubdos | My phone 's in Dutch, shall I translate? | 21:07 |
| rubdos | apt-get install g++-4.4 | 21:07 |
| lpapp | it is ok, people can drop it into google translator. :) | 21:08 |
| rubdos | Sommige pakketten konden niet geinstalleerd worden. Dit kan beteken dat u een onmogelijke situatie gevraagd hebt of dat u de 'unstable'distributie gebruik en sommige benodigde pakketten nog vastzitten in 'incoming'. | 21:08 |
| rubdos | De volgende informatie help u mogelijk verder: | 21:09 |
| rubdos | De volgende pakketten hebben niet-voldane vereisten: | 21:09 |
| rZr | arcean, hi | 21:09 |
| lpapp | and then the important part? | 21:09 |
| rubdos | g++-4.4: Vereisten: libstdc++6-4.4-dev (= 4.4.1-0maemo14+0m6) maar het zal niet geinstalleerd worden | 21:09 |
| rZr | arcean, I built that cam app , but i have some fixes to be done , wanna help ? | 21:09 |
| rubdos | I think libstdc++6-4.4-dev isn't in harmattan repos? I'll apt-cache search, have a sec | 21:10 |
| rubdos | ow, it IS in the repos | 21:10 |
| lpapp | have you tried to install that separately? | 21:11 |
| rubdos | jep, it requires libc6-dev | 21:11 |
| rubdos | I'll try that one too | 21:11 |
| rubdos | okay, got it: | 21:12 |
| rubdos | requires libc6 (= 2.10-0maemo18.1+0m6) but 2.10-0maemo20+0m7 zal geinstalleerd worden | 21:13 |
| rubdos | so, the needed version should be lower... Do I've got too much repositories activated? ;) | 21:13 |
| lpapp | that is weird. | 21:13 |
| lpapp | what is in the Harmattan repository? | 21:13 |
| rubdos | How shall I check? :p | 21:14 |
| rubdos | cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* gives | 21:14 |
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| rubdos | default nokia.com/harmattan, apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps/, meego.com/...MEeGo_1.2_Harmattan..., harmattan-dev.nokia.com, people.debian.org/...harmattan for syncml | 21:15 |
| lpapp | unfortunately I need to leave now. | 21:16 |
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| lpapp | but perhaps rzr can help? | 21:16 |
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| rubdos | lpapp, okay, thanks. Cy another time! | 21:16 |
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| rubdos | rzr, could you help? I'm trying to install g++ on my N9 Harmattan | 21:18 |
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| rZr | hurry i wont stay long | 21:20 |
| rZr | let me suggest to search on tmo | 21:20 |
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| rubdos | rZr, then I'l let you go, it's not urgent in any way :) | 21:22 |
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| arcean | rZr: right now I'm trying to build and package the camplus in QtCreator | 21:47 |
| rZr | arcean, I forked it | 21:48 |
| rZr | arcean, It builts on obs | 21:48 |
| arcean | oh, then wow :) | 21:48 |
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| rZr | arcean, http://rzr.online.fr/q/cam# working on packaging an alt camera app : CameraPlus for #n9 #n950club wanna test @detkodave @AllBoutN9 #HarmattanDev | 21:54 |
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| arcean | rZr: in my free time I'll add support for N950 (12 and 9 MPix) | 21:55 |
| rZr | https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/cameraplus-rzr | 21:56 |
| rZr | may you merge my patches | 21:56 |
| arcean | is it me or the actual package is empty? :D | 21:56 |
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| rZr | arcean, it's empty now | 22:19 |
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| rZr | buit it built | 22:19 |
| arcean | ok, I have it almost working under scratchbox | 22:20 |
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| rZr | you can fork me and merge that http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86649 | 22:20 |
| rZr | then i will merge | 22:20 |
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| arcean | ok | 22:22 |
| chfvc | slm | 22:22 |
| chfvc | meltem | 22:23 |
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| evil_core | arcean: so n9 got some problems with polish operators? | 23:47 |
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| djszapi_ | faenil: hey there | 23:57 |
| djszapi_ | you were asking me about the qt5 stuff on harmattan at the wrong time. | 23:57 |
| djszapi_ | so try again. | 23:58 |
| faenil | djszapi_, just wanted to know the status of harmattan components port to Qt5 | 23:58 |
| faenil | I mean, components which fully use QtQuick2.0 | 23:58 |
| faenil | not just like Qt4 compatible with Qt5 :) | 23:58 |
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