IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-12-05

djszapi_what do you mean by Qt4 compatible with Qt5?00:00
djszapi_what else would it use if not QtQuick2.0? LOLZ00:01
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rZrarcean, install is better now00:01
rZrarcean, will commit it00:01
faenildjszapi_, I'm just talking bullshit as I'm not into Qt5 yet ;)00:01
faenilmaybe you can still use QtQuick 1.1 and make it run on Qt500:02
faenilI don't know00:02
djszapi_faenil: yes, but then what is the point?00:02
djszapi_the whole advantage is qtquick2 :)00:02
djszapi_and yes, my port works with qtquick200:02
djszapi_there are some quirks here and there though.00:02
rZrarcean, humm near near near
faenildjszapi_, alright, so can you elaborate more on that? :)00:03
djszapi_faenil: on what exactly?00:03
faenildjszapi_, like what's missing/ is anyone already working on it/ is there any timeline / organization00:04
faenilthat kind of info :)00:04
djszapi_orientation working is missing00:04
djszapi_some input management issue00:04
djszapi_no one is working on it as far as I can tell.00:04
djszapi_obviously no timeline and organization correspondingly.00:04
djszapi_I have made a bunch of patches.00:05
djszapi_but the qt guys did not appreciate my work00:05
djszapi_and no one helped in the harmattan community00:05
djszapi_so I gave up.00:05
faenildjszapi_, I am interested in using them for Nemomobile :)00:05
djszapi_well, I do not care about nemo mobile.00:05
faenildjszapi_, I know, but you know, people work on the same target for different purposes mate ;)00:06
faenilthat's how things work :)00:06
djszapi_not quite.00:07
djszapi_I worked on this one alone, and exclusively for Harmattan.00:07
djszapi_it might eat babies for Nemo.00:07
faenildjszapi_, so you're not willing to share the work?00:07
faenilNemo needs no changes afaik00:07
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djszapi_all the changes were shared after the fork right in the first second.00:08
piggzrZr: what is cameraplus like?00:09
rZrarcean, i am gone , see you tom'00:09
rZrpiggz, untested so far00:09
faenildjszapi_, where can I see them?00:09
rZrpiggz, it should rebuild soon wanna have a look at it ?00:09
djszapi_faenil: you did not try to use google, right? :)00:09
piggzrZr: yeah, just wondered what features it has?00:09
faenilI actually did and found your discussion about componetns00:10
rZrpiggz, just pushed my current works , working on packaging an alt camera app : CameraPlus for #n9 #n950club wanna test @detkodave @AllBoutN9 #HarmattanDev00:10
rZri am going now00:10
rZrhave fun00:10
faenildjszapi_, also, there is already work from w00t too on that, I mean, why not joining patches...that's better for everyone00:11
djszapi_faenil: WHO CARES ABOUT NEMO?00:11
djszapi_I wanted to get things right for Harmattan. I do not care about Nemo.00:12
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faenildjszapi_, what's wrong with you? it's the same damn components, you don't want to accept help?00:13
faenilok do it alone.00:13
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rZrdjszapi_, i do care of nemo too00:13
faenilwhy do people always end up arguing with you? come on man! I'm trying to make two teams join their effort on the same piece of code!00:13
faenileveryone benefits!00:14
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faenilgood luck with harmattan.00:14
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rZrarcean, no need to fork mine we're in the same harmattan team00:15
rZrarcean, should be able to commit in my tree00:15
djszapi_rZr: and show me how much work you have put into the harmattan components?00:15
rZrnot today i am gone now00:16
arceanrZr, ok and good night :)00:19
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Khertan_n9djszapi_, show us how bad decision and ugly bug you implement in harmattan components ...00:25
djszapi_that is the type of post why I would not help the community further.00:29
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khertandjszapi_, that the type of post : "djszapi_> faenil: WHO CARES ABOUT NEMO?" which didn't help the community00:34
khertandjszapi_, anyway does the community really need your help ? personnaly i doubt00:34
djszapi_khertan: please go and cry in #nemo about nemo.00:34
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khertan /ignore djszapi_00:35
djszapi_please let me deal with harmattan in the channel called #harmattan.00:35
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djszapi_I have not gone to #nemomobile to troll about how much nemo rocks in every minute as faenil is doing.00:36
djszapi_especially when I said politely several times, it is out of my interest, I am sorry for that.00:36
djszapi_how much harmattan rocks*00:36
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piggzdjszapi_: so, you are also not in ##wewantsailfish ;)00:39
piggzrZr: repo added, just need updated pkg00:39
djszapi_piggz: yeah, I am an evil talking and helping the harmattan project in the channel called #harmattan :D00:40
piggzbrb, kde4.10 installed....00:41
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evil_coredjszapi_: but Harmattan is dead01:14
djszapi_evil_core: no, it is not.01:14
djszapi_it is going to be dead when nobody is dealing with it.01:15
djszapi_which does not seem to be the case yet by any means...01:15
evil_corebtw can I get somewhere list for which harmattan soft source is provided?01:15
djszapi_it is actually on the wiki01:16
djszapi_have you made a short google query? :)01:16
evil_coredjszapi_: I was goolging yesterday and mainly found official SDK trough it w/o answet01:16
evil_coreand which wiki?01:18
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evil_corewayland FTW, you cannot use Harmattan and Wayland, only old X11 proto01:20
djszapi_what is your suggestion?01:21
djszapi_or just complaining?01:21
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djszapi_also, I found the sources in the channel with a few seconds:
djszapi_by typing 1.3 source.01:23
djszapi_channel log*01:24
djszapi_the channel log url is in the /topic for future reference01:24
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evil_corebut I wanted a table with apps and IM plugins(skype, facebook), I never used n9 yet01:25
evil_coreand I wanted to tell that Harmattan is X11 dependant and cannot move forward01:26
djszapi_yes, we know, so?01:26
djszapi_you would like to discourage people who use it?01:26
djszapi_or what are you trying to accomplish?01:26
djszapi_you are frustrated and you wanted to let the frustration out?01:27
evil_coreI am not frustrated, but it would be better to got phone that uses wayland instead of Xorg01:27
djszapi_big wonder Harmattan does not work with wayland when Harmattan is a way older project than wayland got any usable...01:28
evil_corebecause of practical, not ideological reasons01:28
djszapi_I have never heard any phone users complaining about a phone because of wayland... :)01:28
evil_coreI know that, I am following wayland from beginning01:28
evil_corebecause users don't care about that01:28
djszapi_so you are the first, so guess how popular this request is. :D01:29
evil_coreNokia devs wanted to switch over wayland01:29
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evil_coreand participated into wayland, but especially in porting Qt4 and Qt5 to wayland01:29
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djszapi_Harmattan was way late when wayland got any mature.01:30
djszapi_we had at no point any plan to switch to wayland.01:30
evil_coreso it means, it wouldnt be better to upgrade to wayland?01:31
djszapi_yes, exactly.01:31
evil_coredjszapi_: and whom you are you say "we had no point", were you Harmattan dev?01:31
djszapi_yes, for a long time.01:32
evil_corebut Symbian was before Wayland, mabe we should stick to it01:32
evil_coreit means you worked for Nokia?01:32
djszapi_sorry, it is my private sphere.01:32
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evil_coreI guess that not, and you don't like OSS idea at all, and you are hardcore Windows user01:34
evil_corethe correct question should be "why not", not "why" now, when we know that wayland is way better than X11, especially for embedded01:35
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djszapi_WHO CARES?01:35
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djszapi_there was no any business use case for wayland.01:35
djszapi_and you sell the devices for end users.01:35
evil_corethere was, better performance/battery life01:35
djszapi_business is way above technology.01:35
evil_coreright, it would be risky to sell not-mature, possibly unstable product01:36
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evil_corebut we are on that channel not because we want sell something, bjut improve01:36
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evil_coreNemo Mobile is upgraded/better Harmattan, it sticks to original nokia ideas01:37
evil_coreNokia wanted new technologies, like Qt4, Wayland, etc, but commercial products got another priorities than hackery01:38
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Guest61899"above technology", you need to define in what sense when you say something like that01:51
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Guest61899if he meant "more influential" or "harder", I'd argue that technology takes both of those :)01:56
Guest61899if he meant the short-term profits of a single company, then sure, you need to prioritize use cases that you can sell to the market right away with the least effort01:58
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mgedminyay tracker-miner-fs is eating 100% CPU15:17
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lpappGuest61899: not sure what was unclear.17:14
lpappbut perhaps if you get involved into business where you get money out of a technology which is not the bleeding edge stuff out of the microwave oven (that implies all its immature, too), it is clear.17:15
lpappfor exactly the same reason the projects have strict release policies and so forth where the line is drawn.17:15
lpappI think it is pretty clear for everone who have been involved in product release cycles.17:16
lpapplife cycle, even.17:16
lpappGuest61899: and actually the mobile sector is even flexible. There are way more conservative customers in the automotive and more serious and critical fields.17:24
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khertanHello, did you know if there is a recent build of firefox for n9 ? last i found was 14.017:35
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jonnikhertan: and if you want fast browser you want to look
lpappjonni: is it better than snowshoe?17:47
jonnishould be faster atleast, I dont know if its better, since thats matter of opinions :)17:49
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lpappwhy should it be faster?17:50
jonnibecause it uses IPCLiteAPI17:50
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lpappdoes it support webgl?17:54
jonniatleast it says to in description, but I havent tested webgl part17:54
khertanjonni, thx17:58
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khertanjonni, i was starting to compiling it following mozilla instruction ;18:00
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pais it possible to somehow disable the "battery low" notifications && annoyment?18:04
lpappjonni: so how is the new work?18:05
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jonnipa: if I remember right if you just kill hald-addon-bme process, it should do the trick, but my memory might be mistaken too :)18:09
jonnilpapp: so far i've been happy :)18:09
paah thanks :)18:11
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pajonni, i think that's not enough :)18:21
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khertanjonni, the last fennec 17 is a nighty build which crash on my device ;(18:22
paunless the "reminder" when the phone comes back from standby is not controlled by that process18:22
jonniwell that same website has 15, 16 versions too18:22
rigokhertan, I use opera and mozilla on my N9. Clear pref for opera and the unite interface that keeps my bookmarks etc in sync18:23
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parigo, well the sync is there also for mozilla18:32
pabut i also like opera, despite its keyboard18:32
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rigopa, is there a way to make opera the default browser, instead of the webkit thingy?18:59
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pai think in options19:00
pai mean settings19:00
pa(of the phone)19:00
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parigo, even tho the default thingy works fine with sencha, and neither opera nor firefox do19:01
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khertanjonni, i think i ll more try to build 17 final release and not alpha119:09
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khertanand see why it s crash19:09
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lpappthe keyboard can actually be disabled in opera.19:17
lpapprigo: have you found it? go to settings->applications->web->default browser and set a difft browser19:17
valdur55lpapp: how can i disable opera keyboard?19:18
lpappby magic ;>19:19
lpappset "use Operas keyboard" to Never19:19
lpappand it will show maliit.19:19
valdur55i don't see it in settings page19:20
rigolpapp, yes, trying now. also anybody having issues with twitter app hanging for a long time?19:21
valdur55lpapp: what version of opera mobile do you use?19:22
lpappdunno by heart, and I do not have my mobile with me as of now.19:22
lpapprigo: such things happen here and there unfortunately.19:23
lpappthe launch slowness is due to qml (qtquick to be precise)19:23
valdur5512.10.1 version doesn't have keyboard settings in advaced settings page19:24
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payep, neither here19:27
pabtw, lumia800 and n9, do they have the same battery?19:27
ortylprigo: I confirm that twiter app hangs for many seconds quite often19:27
lpappvaldur55: works for me just fine19:29
lpappI can check the version later.19:29
lpappalso, have you check the command line options?19:29
lpapp-native-input or something like that19:30
lpappshould work with 11.5 at least.19:30
lpappit has some limitations though.19:31
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rigolpapp, I do not have that setting, where is it supposed to be?19:34
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lpapprigo: which setting?19:35
arceanpa: yes, the same battery19:35
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rigoset "use Operas keyboard" to Never19:36
lpapprigo: and have you read the other suggestion ?19:36
rigo-native-input you mean?19:37
paarcean, did you already look up if there are stuff like mugen replacements with more mAh, that fit there?19:37
lpapprigo: yes19:37
arceanno, all I know is you can insert BV-4D from 808 PureView to the N950 :)19:37
rigobut I don't start opera from terminal19:38
pathat is bigger?19:38
painto n95019:38
lpapprigo: have you ever heard of desktop files ?19:38
rigosure thing, KDE user since 1996 :)19:40
lpappok, so problem solved.19:40
rigobut N9 hasn't exactly the same file structure, so finding opera.desktop now ...19:40
lpappheh, it is not a rocket science.19:40
lpappit is quite standardized actually.19:41
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lpappKDE user since 1996?19:45
lpappthat is around the start I would say. :-)19:45
lpappwe celebrated the 15th anniversary last year, I think.19:45
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rigoUnknown/incorrect option "-native-input".19:50
lpapphave you checked the command line first as suggested?19:51
rigoi said: /opt/operamobile-labs/bin/operamobile-labs -native-input19:53
rigoI have version 12.10.119:53
lpappwell you should check what options it accepts in the first place.19:54
valdur55Unknown/incorrect option "-native-input".19:54
lpappI said "something like that". I was not sure about the syntax.19:54
lpappmight be --native-input, etc.19:54
lpappalso, you seem to have quite limited opera in comparison with the version I had. :D :D19:55
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valdur55same. and -h doesn't give native-unput19:56
lpappsounds like you have to revert if you wanna have cool features.19:56
lpappthese things were all working a while ago for many.19:58
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lpappI believe m4rtink was also using these.20:00
lpappand perhaps there are a few people in the log, too.20:00
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valdur55:) it's ok for me... It's only browser where others doesn't need change keyboard layout20:03
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rigoyep, looks like 12.10 doesn't have that option anymore. Will ask the folks@opera20:05
lpapprigo: have you tried the KDE Mobile apps for Harmattan?20:06
lpappquite nice we have a few apps ported.20:07
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lpapptime to port those onto blackberry. :-)20:08
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rigolpapp, I tried to use kdepim mobile on my N9 and it wrecked the ability of fenix to change to other mailboxes because of conflicting libraries20:12
rigolpapp, the interface was not following any of the directives that the device maker was giving20:12
lpapprigo: not sure about the pim stack, but have you tried the edu apps?20:12
lpappkanagram, khangman, kalgebra, marble, blinken, etc.20:12
lpappthe first two were done by me. :p20:13
lpappall of them are available in ovi, albeit blinken is not for free unfortunately.20:13
rigook, will try them. for kdepim, they were not in ovi-store, I used apt-get to install them20:16
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rZrarcean, great i will rebase today21:10
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arceanhmm, it misses a couple of my commits :)22:19
rZri am merging now22:19
rZrhehe we did the same fixes22:20
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rZrarcean, does it install qml files too ?22:21
arceanyes, it works on devices, tested on both N9 & N95022:22
rZri am rebuilding again to check22:23
arceanthere're also aegis manifest and simple .desktop file for the launcher22:24
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rZrarcean, anyway I really appreciate your contribution22:27
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rZrfelling the real +harmattan spirit :-)22:27
arceanheh, thanks :)22:28
rZrif it's ok i will upgrade version to 0.0.YYYYMMDD22:28
rZrand submit it all to upstream22:29
arceanthat's a good idea22:29
rZrdo you personally know him ?22:29
arceanI *think* he works at Jolla Mobile22:30
arceanhe's also the author of the harmattan's camera-ui22:31
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rZrgreat this mean it could run on nemo too22:35
rZrhumm i fear i broke something22:35
rZrqtcamconfig.cpp:27: fatal error: QtSystemInfo/QSystemDeviceInfo: No such file or directory22:35
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arceanhmm I know where we will have a new problem :D22:37
arceanfiles from the src subproject should be placed in /opt/cameraplus/bin/22:37
rZrincluding the libs ?22:38
rZrthen we'll have to overide some dh_ rules22:38
arceanno, libs are created in "imports" and "lib"22:39
rZrI let you fix it , i will rebuild it on obs if you need to22:39
rZryou're building it using qtc ?22:40
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arceanthat would be a bit problematic, as I'm away from my pc :D22:40
rZrit should also build on sb ...22:40
rZrok then I let it that way, maybe some simlink will workaround it22:40
arceanno i have built it on sb22:40
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arceanno, just try to change the line 30 in src.pro22:41
rZrok if you built it on sb then your changes are better than mine22:41
rZrok tell me22:41
rZrinstallPrefix = /usr/22:42
rZrtarget.path = $${installPrefix}/lib/22:42
rZrto :22:42
arceanor even better: remove #30 and change #31 to target.path = /opt/$${TARGET}/bin22:42
rZrinstallPrefix =  /opt/$${TARGET}/22:42
rZrtarget.path = $${installPrefix}/bin/22:42
arceansure :)22:42
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GeneralAntillesNeed a new battery for my N95023:04
GeneralAntillesI actually bought one a few weeks ago but didn't put it in23:04
GeneralAntillesnow I can't find it.23:04
GeneralAntillesIs there a best model battery to get?23:04
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arceanGeneralAntilles: BV-4D 1400mAh, used in Nokia 808 PureView :)23:10
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rZr emacs ?23:17
rZrarcean,  BatterY : BV-4D and its 1320mAh23:19
rZrarcean, lshal | grep reporting.design23:19
arceanrZr, are you sure? hmm23:19
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arceanthe label on the one from 808 says its 1400mAh23:20
rZrwell i noted this somewhere23:20
arceanhmm maybe there's a couple of BV-4D versions?23:20
ZogG_laptoprZr: sup23:22
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: :)23:22
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rZrhi ZogG_laptop23:24
rZrarcean, mine23:25
rZrlshal | grep reporting.design23:25
rZr = 1200  (0x4b0)  (int)23:25
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arceanrZr, yeah, so you have the BL-4D?23:37
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rZri have the original one23:38
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rZri never opened it23:38
rZri guess this is a BV-4D23:39
arceanquite possible, however some final (aka developer edition) devices have BL-4D23:42
arcean(it's not mine photo)23:42
rZranyway i rebuilt it again23:47
rZrand it fails to found resources23:47
rZrfile:///opt/cameraplus/qml/ImagePage.qml:139:25: QML Image: Faile23:48
rZrd to get image from provider: image://theme/icon-m-camera-whiteba23:48
arceanif fails after launching the app?23:48
rZrCamera error (3): Could not initialize supporting library. gstglt23:48
rZrexturesink.c(1969): init_fbdev (): /GstCameraBin2:QtCameraCameraB23:48
rZropen(/dev/fb2) failed: Permission denied23:48
rZri can list you contents23:48
arceanahh, then you have to launch the app as developer or from the launcher23:48
rZrsame crap23:49
rZrnot as developer yes23:49
rZrsame as developer23:50
rZrCamera error (13): Failed to configure driver module gstcamerasrc23:50
arceanoh boy, that's aegis :D23:51
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rZras root it works23:51
arceanand I'm not able to launch the app as root here :D23:51
rZrsudo :)23:51
arceanonly as developer or from the launcher23:51
rZri run openmode kernel23:52
p2x_hey guys23:52
rZrwell you can install it from repo23:52
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p2x_can i ask something ?23:53
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arceanoh crap, there's no aegis manifest in the package23:53
p2x_am i right that open mode is normal kernel withouz aegis?23:54
rZrask djszapi_  about using aegis on obs , I fear this is not possible23:55
pacameraplus.. sounds interesting.. what is it?23:55
rZra better camera app23:55
* rZr enhance the plus 23:56
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rZrarcean, pushed , you can rebuild and test your side , i will rebuild on sb next week end23:56
rZrM4rtinK2, hi i got a hobby for you pal :)23:56
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arceanrZr, ok, bbl23:57
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M4rtinK2rZr: yeah, should work :)23:59

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