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| djszapi__ | rzr: http://lpapp.blogspot.ie/2012/09/reminder-from-randa-free-playbook-for.html | 01:13 |
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| djszapi__ | Sfiet_Konstantin: right | 01:13 |
| djszapi__ | Sfiet_Konstantin: Randa was fun :) | 01:13 |
| djszapi__ | Ryanair was tricky in Milan though | 01:13 |
| djszapi__ | they did not accept the boarding pass on my n9. | 01:14 |
| djszapi__ | -> +60 EUR. :) | 01:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | woooo | 01:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what the hell seriously | 01:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 01:15 |
| djszapi__ | yeah, you have to print out. | 01:15 |
| djszapi__ | no excuse. | 01:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | pfff | 01:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's so retard | 01:15 |
| djszapi__ | I usually travel 1-2 a month | 01:15 |
| djszapi__ | never had an issue along the years. | 01:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sorry for ryanair | 01:15 |
| djszapi__ | oh btw | 01:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but they are not doing it right | 01:16 |
| djszapi__ | I did have the printed stuff in Dublin | 01:16 |
| djszapi__ | but at the checkin | 01:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lol | 01:16 |
| djszapi__ | a woman took my paper :D | 01:16 |
| djszapi__ | and she left her there. | 01:16 |
| djszapi__ | and I asked the staff if the boarding pass on my N9 is a good fallback | 01:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lol | 01:16 |
| djszapi__ | because then we do not need to go through the crap procedure | 01:16 |
| djszapi__ | and they said all fine, so I did not bother. | 01:16 |
| djszapi__ | :) | 01:16 |
| djszapi__ | so just carefully with ryanair. | 01:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 01:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I know to be careful with those lowcost stuff | 01:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | they will charge you whenever they can | 01:17 |
| djszapi__ | yes the webchecking is tricky. | 01:17 |
| djszapi__ | at least for me, it was not intuitive to avoid the check-in fee, 20 EUR. | 01:18 |
| djszapi__ | it was done the way, it is unintuitive to choose the right button. :) | 01:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | haha | 01:18 |
| djszapi__ | do not think it is a mistake. | 01:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | like the torrent download websites | 01:18 |
| djszapi__ | more like an intentional action. | 01:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | where you have the choice between 4 download buttons ? | 01:18 |
| djszapi__ | :) | 01:18 |
| djszapi__ | but Switzerland is awesome | 01:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | indeed | 01:19 |
| djszapi__ | very very awesome | 01:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | quite a nice country | 01:19 |
| djszapi__ | Sfiet_Konstantin: http://proli.net/meu/kde/kdeeduranda2012.jpg | 01:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | WOOOOW | 01:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nice photo | 01:19 |
| djszapi__ | even the glacier! | 01:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and the problem is that, the landscape is awesome everywhere in switzerland | 01:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm studying near Leman lake, with views on french alps :P | 01:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | year, and the "eternal snow" (neiges éternelles in french) | 01:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | those that do not melt in supper | 01:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | summer | 01:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | awesome photo :) | 01:20 |
| rashm2k | hey people whats cracking | 01:26 |
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| rashm2k | bb10 is looking pretty good | 01:32 |
| beford | nice picture djszapi__ | 01:33 |
| beford | rashm2k: hey, yea, alpha B devices looks nice | 01:33 |
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| djszapi__ | beford: thanks :) | 01:33 |
| djszapi__ | beford: there is another picture btw. | 01:33 |
| djszapi__ | with the whole group. | 01:33 |
| djszapi__ | this picture was about the KDE Edu team except one person who already left (Kalzium maintainer). | 01:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rashm2k: well, nothing "new" with bb10 | 01:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | multitask view, launcher and notification center | 01:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | invocation is different | 01:34 |
| rashm2k | looks very similar to meego | 01:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | anything else is a sort of mix between meego and palm | 01:34 |
| rashm2k | perhaps they can give it a decent processor | 01:35 |
| beford | which is good Sfiet_Konstantin :p | 01:35 |
| rashm2k | n9 has a measly cpu | 01:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | BBalpha seems a bit laggy | 01:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but soft is in beta | 01:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so ... | 01:35 |
| beford | I like both, never used webos though but it looked nice | 01:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not as intuitive as N9 | 01:36 |
| djszapi__ | Switzerland is an awesome place, period. | 01:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the swipe do not follow the finger | 01:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and the notification panel invocation is a mess | 01:36 |
| djszapi__ | I would go there for living if English was the first official language. | 01:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | multitask seems rather limited | 01:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (i have heard that only 9 apps can be launched) | 01:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | djszapi__: it "is" | 01:37 |
| djszapi__ | although Switzerland has the trouble of having too much money. | 01:37 |
| djszapi__ | iow, schools do not care about "free os" as Linux because they can pay MS just fine. | 01:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in Lausanne, I'm speaking english all the time | 01:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | djszapi__: well, at least in math section, we need linux | 01:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lapack, mpi and stuff don't run well under windows | 01:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | a lot of macs here although | 01:37 |
| djszapi__ | Sfiet_Konstantin: well, most of the people did not speak in English. :) | 01:38 |
| djszapi__ | neither in Visp. | 01:38 |
| djszapi__ | err... | 01:38 |
| djszapi__ | Finns can also speak English... | 01:38 |
| djszapi__ | but it is not the first official language. | 01:38 |
| djszapi__ | can definitely see the difference between living in Finland and Ireland. | 01:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | djszapi__: i see | 01:38 |
| djszapi__ | well, matlab is way better than any linux stuff | 01:38 |
| djszapi__ | and there are pro math softwares on Windows. | 01:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in Lausanne, and even worse, in Geneva, english is often heared | 01:38 |
| djszapi__ | the problem is that Switzerland has too much money | 01:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | parallel ? | 01:39 |
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| djszapi__ | so "free os" is not really a factor. | 01:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | running on pc clusters ? | 01:39 |
| beford | I can go there and spend that money to help the linux growth | 01:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | matlab ? you are joking | 01:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, and in my university, they are spending money on OSS tools as well | 01:39 |
| djszapi__ | beford: lolz | 01:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so money is not a problem | 01:39 |
| rashm2k | I think you are trying to find too many flaws | 01:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is what it is done with the money | 01:39 |
| djszapi__ | nope | 01:39 |
| djszapi__ | it really is the problem | 01:39 |
| djszapi__ | spoke to people in education in Switzerland | 01:39 |
| djszapi__ | I am not speaking out of the thin air. | 01:40 |
| virtuald | VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVPB ¨ | 01:40 |
| virtuald | miao | 01:41 |
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| djszapi | beford: heyo | 11:17 |
| djszapi | so did you get the money from the swisses? :p | 11:17 |
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| djszapi | Sfiet_Konstantin: morning sir | 11:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | morning djszapi :) | 11:20 |
| djszapi | Sfiet_Konstantin: so I was disconnected on the bus last night. | 11:20 |
| djszapi | I talked to Thomas Thym. | 11:20 |
| djszapi | and Mario Fux. | 11:20 |
| djszapi | both are trustworthy with children and close to teaching etc in Switzerland. | 11:21 |
| djszapi | and I have been told like that by them. I fully trust their words. | 11:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 11:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | interesting | 11:21 |
| djszapi | Mario was organizing this sprint for instance. | 11:21 |
| djszapi | Sfiet_Konstantin: you can ask him as unormal in #randa | 11:21 |
| djszapi | if you need more information. | 11:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 11:22 |
| djszapi | but I am doing the kde edu stack installer for Windows. | 11:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's good to know :) | 11:22 |
| djszapi | so it should not matter after all. | 11:22 |
| djszapi | they will be able to use the educational KDE applications on Windows. | 11:22 |
| * Arkenoi has to admit that android (being frequently blamed for battry drains) can stay noticeably longer in "active standby" (online with skype, icq and gtalk and two email accounts in "instant sync" mode) | 11:22 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Arkenoi: true | 11:23 |
| Arkenoi | just bought droid4, no, it is not quite ready to replace n950 as my main phone, but some things in harmattan now disappoint me | 11:24 |
| djszapi | Arkenoi: every phone has pro and cons. ;) | 11:25 |
| Arkenoi | yes, but it is likely that my next phone will be android, not jolla -- the only thing that could change it is if jolla makes big top-specs phone with qwerty | 11:27 |
| Arkenoi | though "not quite real linux" in android is damn sick thing | 11:27 |
| djszapi | Arkenoi: I take you dislike blackberry? | 11:27 |
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| Arkenoi | yes, keyboard should be big. n900 was the smallest one i could tolerate and it was quite pain (though n900 was real smartphone revolution so i had no choice :-) | 11:29 |
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| djszapi | Arkenoi: hmm, I am afraid you will be disappointed in the future... | 11:30 |
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| djszapi | as the phones lean towards the virtual keyboard approach. | 11:30 |
| Arkenoi | virtual keyboards suck, but when you type something that is not a natural language text and correction cannot work it not just "sucks", it is real hell | 11:30 |
| djszapi | do you really use a hardware keyboard for tablets as well? | 11:31 |
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| Arkenoi | no, but tablets can give you a different pattern: say, when you travel, you buy a cheapo $10 USB keyboard in a local store and drop it in a hotel when it is no longer needed | 11:33 |
| Arkenoi | also tablet screen is bigger so it is less painful to use soft keyboard | 11:33 |
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| djszapi | Arkenoi: well, do you always carry a hardware keyboard with you? | 12:26 |
| djszapi | I personally would not like. | 12:26 |
| djszapi | that is why it is a mobile device to me. | 12:27 |
| djszapi | I do not have to have the same set up as for a desktop stuff. | 12:27 |
| Arkenoi | djszapi, no. but i do not always carry a tablet either | 12:28 |
| djszapi | Arkenoi: that is how people use mobile devices. | 12:29 |
| djszapi | it is a mobile device, and they can carry with them to pretty almost everywhere. | 12:29 |
| djszapi | and they are as small as possible. | 12:29 |
| Arkenoi | yes, so it is the phone and it has a keyboard | 12:29 |
| djszapi | otherwise one could just use a laptop. | 12:30 |
| Arkenoi | and it works that way since my first smartphone in 1998 | 12:30 |
| djszapi | frankly, I do not see it working like that anymore. | 12:30 |
| djszapi | ios, anroid, n9, etc | 12:30 |
| djszapi | they all use software keyboards I used so far. | 12:31 |
| Arkenoi | i tried. it sucks. it fits good most people usage patterns because people generally do not type on the phone much | 12:32 |
| Arkenoi | i do | 12:32 |
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| djszapi | actually I think people type more and more. | 12:32 |
| djszapi | sms, new im frontends, etc | 12:32 |
| Arkenoi | ot anything longer than tweet or checkin comment | 12:33 |
| Arkenoi | not even | 12:33 |
| djszapi | they are not just typing for sms anymore, but because of other things as well. | 12:33 |
| Arkenoi | and they type in natural languages only | 12:33 |
| Arkenoi | so auto correction is ok for them | 12:33 |
| djszapi | I do not understand how the natural language is relevant to a hardware keyboard or not question? | 12:34 |
| djszapi | admittedly, I do not even know what a "natural language" is. | 12:34 |
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| Arkenoi | djszapi, languages people use to communicate to each other. and yes, it does matter having a hardware kyoboard if you frequently type something that is not likely to be in any dictionary | 12:35 |
| djszapi | I do not understand why. | 12:36 |
| djszapi | you would not have completion in neither of those cases. | 12:36 |
| djszapi | means, you would have type out in both cvases. | 12:36 |
| djszapi | cases* | 12:36 |
| djszapi | to* | 12:36 |
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| lpapp | SfietKonstantin: btw, you know that dragon on the picture? | 13:28 |
| lpapp | http://uk.ask.com/wiki/Konqi | 13:28 |
| SfietKonstantin | konqui | 13:29 |
| SfietKonstantin | KDE mascot ? | 13:29 |
| SfietKonstantin | yeah, I see it sometimes, while checking KDE version :) | 13:29 |
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| lucido | what sort of creds do I need to install dbus service files and will the invoker start them as root or can I specify (I need it to be user)? | 19:23 |
| rainisto | lucido: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security.html | 19:30 |
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| phako | uhm - why can't I find helium in apps.formeego client? | 19:47 |
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| lucido | rainisto, hmm, it doesn't say anything about dbus startup creds | 20:33 |
| lucido | what is executing the EXEC line? | 20:33 |
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| djszapi | jpnurmi: ping | 20:49 |
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| djszapi | jpnurmi: could you stage these? https://codereview.qt-project.org/35731 and https://codereview.qt-project.org/35717 | 20:50 |
| djszapi | wow rpi as an own cloud server: http://gregwoods.co.uk/2012/08/raspberry-pi-as-an-owncloud-server/ | 20:56 |
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| djszapi | beford: elloz :) | 21:32 |
| beford | hi | 21:33 |
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| djszapi | beford: seems the orientation issue got fixed upstream. | 21:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: sup | 21:36 |
| djszapi | beford: means, if I update the qt5 stack once integrated, the qtquick2 components are finally working as expected. | 21:38 |
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| beford | djszapi: good :) too bad the qt5 compile takes a lot :P | 21:42 |
| beford | ZogG_laptop: hey | 21:42 |
| djszapi | beford: hopefully, it will be okay by the end of the week. | 21:42 |
| beford | ZogG_laptop: how is it going? did you see the bb10 alpha b device? it looks nice :P | 21:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: i'm going to JAm with MohammadAG :P | 21:43 |
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| beford | ZogG_laptop: I know that's why I told you :P | 21:53 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i watched in videos and not sure if i'll get one | 21:55 |
| rashm2k | got a wierd issue where in a list delegate the timer is only triggered the first time then is not triggered | 22:05 |
| rainisto | finally had time to boot up my pi, upgraded wheezy, installed qt50 daily snapshot, configured on portrait mode etc. Now I'm building buildroot env for fast crosscompilation. | 22:05 |
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| jonni | oops, more familiar nick :) | 22:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: what do you use as monitor? | 22:07 |
| djszapi | OwnCloud server on the raspberry pi: http://t.co/ivOFRK6I | 22:07 |
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| jonni | ZogG_laptop: Acer B235HLBbidr 23" IPS LE | 22:08 |
| jonni | s/LE/LED/ | 22:09 |
| infobot | jonni meant: ZogG_laptop: Acer B235HLBbidr 23" IPS LED | 22:09 |
| jonni | pretty nice has dvi and hdmi input, will 1920x resolution and can swivel 90' portrait. | 22:10 |
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| rantom | Hi. I'm having random reboots with my N9. I have no idea what's causing it. Is there a log on the device that I could read, perhaps? | 22:19 |
| lucido | ~topic | 22:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: it's separete monitor you bought for it? | 22:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | rantom: /var/log/ | 22:22 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: heh, not really usually its the 3rd monitor for my desktop (dvi) and I just use the hdmi port for pi for testing. | 22:24 |
| lucido | rantom, /var/log/syslog or syslog.old not dev related btw | 22:24 |
| rantom | ZogG_laptop: Thanks | 22:24 |
| rantom | lucido: Ok, thanks. I tried to ask from #n9 but got "did you read the topic?" | 22:25 |
| rantom | Oddly though the syslog is not there | 22:25 |
| lucido | df -h | 22:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i barely has one monitor :( btw i moved to laptop now, mostly use only it | 22:26 |
| lucido | check available space | 22:26 |
| jonni | heh my 7.5$ ultra mini wlan usb adapter seems to work on r-pi out of the box... http://www.dealextreme.com/p/67532 so I can make it wireless :) | 22:26 |
| lucido | can I disable the power button? If yes, then what creds an api? | 22:26 |
| rantom | lucido: Ok, seems to be fine | 22:27 |
| jonni | lucido: yes you can disable powerbutton if you are root (by editing mce conf), but there is no api for disabling. For controlling devicelock you need devicelock::DeviceLockControl mce::TKLockControl | 22:30 |
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| deram | jonni: even long press on power button? | 22:36 |
| jonni | deram: it disables short press and long press, but it cannot disable the long-long-press. | 22:36 |
| deram | jonni: ok | 22:37 |
| deram | that would be somewhat scary to disable | 22:37 |
| djszapi | jonni: do not suppose you have approver rights in the Qt Project? | 22:38 |
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| rashm2k | anyone have any ideas why the QML timer only runs once inside a ListDelegate? | 22:42 |
| jonni | djszapi: I'm not sure, I havent checked my rights on gerrit for a while. | 22:44 |
| djszapi | jonni: I think you are not. At least, you do not seem to be in the list. | 22:47 |
| djszapi | I would need someone to stage few harmattan changes again. It seems the Qt Project CI is going haywire. | 22:48 |
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| rashm2k | has no-one any idea - this is driving me crazy | 23:20 |
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| rashm2k | ok how do I force re-evaluatin of a listmodel role? | 23:39 |
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| gtx | Hi everyone. I was wondering: if someone (*sigh*) got the Win8 RT (ARM version) image, could we put it into N9? | 23:48 |
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| gtx | I dont know if there's interop between A8 and Tegra3 (in which works perfectly) | 23:50 |
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| gtx | sounds stupid? haha | 23:53 |
| djszapi_ | gtx: hm? | 23:53 |
| gtx | "Hi everyone. I was wondering: if someone (*sigh*) got the Win8 RT (ARM version) image, could we put it into N9?" | 23:54 |
| gtx | djszapi_: you missed that one ;) | 23:54 |
| djszapi_ | I have not. | 23:55 |
| djszapi_ | the other nick was here, but did not understand the stupid thing. :D | 23:56 |
| gtx | djszapi_: Is it stupid to think that we could fit any ARM OS into N9 just because it's ARM too? | 23:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | let's recompile 3.11 for n9 :P | 23:57 |
| djszapi_ | gtx: why would it? | 23:58 |
| djszapi_ | check the nitroid thingie | 23:58 |
| gtx | ZogG_laptop: LoL | 23:58 |
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| djszapi_ | gtx: only thing would be a problem for Windows may be the bootloader. | 23:59 |
| gtx | djszapi_: Yes, I know. But you see, there's a lot of incompat., like hw issues | 23:59 |
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