IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-09-25

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rzrtime to focus on webkit200:20
lpapprzr: details00:21
lpapprekonq uses qtwebkit00:21
lpappso it is up to upstream, not us.00:21
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lpapprzr: means, it will just work (TM)00:36
lpappit is like you do not need to take care of the low-level opengl details either when using the scenegraph API.00:36
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rm_workis there a way to send music files (like mp3s) via bluetooth? gallery will let me send pics I think, but music app won't let me send music...01:14
rm_workah, via a file manager01:15
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beforddamn seems like the battery went completely empty and its not showing any signs of charging :/01:33
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ZogG_lap1opJaffa_: ping10:55
ZogG_lap1opxarcass: ping10:55
xarcassZogG_lap1op: pong10:56
ZogG_lap1opxarcass: do u have playbook?10:56
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ZogG_lap1opmgedmin_: sup man, too long you beeing quite :(10:56
xarcassZogG_lap1op: no, i've only BB10 Dev Alpha10:56
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* mgedmin was sick last week10:57
ZogG_lap1opxarcass: i think im gonna to buy one on BB jam, owndered about minuses10:57
ZogG_lap1opmgedmin: i hope u feel better10:57
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ZogG_lap1oplbt: sup, are you in any touch with X-Fade ?10:57
lbtin meetings today - will talk tonight10:58
xarcassZogG_lap1op: we've ordered two of them. unfortunately, people that are responsible for supplying them are always terribly slow.. we've whole department for these things10:58
ZogG_lap1oplbt: tell him please that apps4meego web is down again, and same error, and if there is chance to move it other server from someone from community that we wouldn't need him to repair it everytime?10:59
ZogG_lap1opxarcass: welcome to the modern world11:00
xarcassZogG_lap1op: if that's a description of the modern world, then from the hell's heart I spit at it11:02
ZogG_lap1opxarcass: what can i say it has two sides of coins11:03
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ZogG_lap1opxarcass: as i understand bb alpha (i applied for one, though not sure if i get one) is limited in what ways?11:06
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xarcassZogG_lap1op: on the first side of my coin there's bloody iPhone, for which i code every day, on the second side there's a bunch of mindless jerks that always impede me doing even this..11:06
xarcassZogG_lap1op: bb10 were in unlimited supply in moscow, but that might've been changed..11:07
ZogG_lap1opwe hve jam in Israel and i had to apply for it11:07
ZogG_lap1opno answer if i get one till 3 days befor jam11:07
ZogG_lap1opand i'm from israel11:07
ZogG_lap1opxarcass: on one side is that smart people suffer, but on other side all rules coz of cheaters and liars :P though they find the way to use those rules for their good as well11:08
ZogG_lap1oplike coz someone would prefer to stick drugs in his ass, we have body scans checks in EU now :P it's not like it went other way around, but it is built because of stupid people. so no one to blame :P11:09
xarcassZogG_lap1op: heh, i've been in Israel a year ago, what a wonderful place! i've even got relatives there11:09
ZogG_lap1opxarcass: next time you come, talk to me, beers on me :P11:09
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ZogG_lap1opSfiet_Konstantin: monrning11:10
xarcassZogG_lap1op: sure, though i haven't found decent beer there. btw, now i can't live a day without hummus. it's hard to find in moscow, so i even cook it myself11:11
ZogG_lap1opmeh i don't like to eat to much11:11
ZogG_lap1oponly with shawarma or with shnitzel baget11:12
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ZogG_lap1opyou need to try other cultures food here as most is from other countries11:12
Sfiet_Konstantinmorning ZogG_lap1op11:12
ZogG_lap1opxarcass: so how is alpha limted to devs? i mean device is not like n950 that actually can be phone, so there are limitations as i heard11:13
xarcassZogG_lap1op: i've tried many, but found none of them so much addictive11:13
ZogG_lap1opxarcass: my GF is from Yemen(not her but the roots of family) so i used to eat jahnun every morning and malauh is pretty good one for fast preparing (i call it israel students foods)11:14
xarcassZogG_lap1op:  dev alpha is not a phone (at least so they say) and never will be. but for them who applied an app to the market before official BB10 release, they trade it for a real device. special edition11:14
xarcassZogG_lap1op: jahnun and malauh - i'm going to try these11:16
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ZogG_lap1opxarcass: when is launch?11:16
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ZogG_lap1opi need to get phone and develop app before it than :P11:16
xarcassZogG_lap1op: Q1 2013, IIRC11:17
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ZogG_lap1opi have some time then :P11:17
xarcassZogG_lap1op: if you have an android app, you can port it (well, just repackage it) - voila!11:17
ZogG_lap1opi have harmattan app :P11:18
ZogG_lap1opi think i would need to change qml part due different components and to learn how to ackage it11:18
xarcassZogG_lap1op: then you've a long way lay ahead. cascades is real pain after nokia's qt components11:19
ZogG_lap1opwhy cascades?11:19
ZogG_lap1opi was told i can use NDK for linux11:20
ZogG_lap1opand do not really need cascades11:20
ZogG_lap1opi would do only Qt if i wasn't noob :P11:20
xarcassZogG_lap1op: well, i forgot, i've restricted to cascades because i need video player inside my app. which is impossible (at least now) without cascades11:21
ZogG_lap1opxarcass: no cascade for linux, last link i got is the same as for NDK11:21
ZogG_lap1opand afaik it's only about qml and components or i'm missing something. NDK installs them yu just use them or what cascade has that NDK doesn't?11:22
ZogG_lap1opi hope they stop using eclipse btw :P11:22
ZogG_lap1opwhat a pain11:22
xarcassZogG_lap1op: agreed. i also hate this bloody eclipse thing11:23
ZogG_lap1opi had to play around to get it only running11:23
ZogG_lap1opand UI is so confusing comparing to QtCreator or even MS Visual Studio11:24
ZogG_lap1opor maybe it's just new for me, but still i prefer QtCreator11:24
ZogG_lap1ophope thye update QtSDK so 2.6 there and BB deployment would be more out of box11:24
xarcassZogG_lap1op: i've tried qtcreator + cascades sdk for mac - spent two days - gave up. too much pain11:25
ZogG_lap1opi think they choose eclpse coz of java apps11:25
ZogG_lap1opxarcass: why do u need cascades, what's in there ( i never tried  - i have only linux to do stuff like that, windows is only for visual studio and it has no free space even for eclipse)11:26
xarcassZogG_lap1op: i think they choose eclipse coz wrong people have made this decision.11:26
xarcassZogG_lap1op: well, as i mentioned before, i need a video player, which is impossible without cascades11:27
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djszapi__Sfiet_Konstantin: where are you from?11:35
Sfiet_Konstantindjszapi__: France11:36
Sfiet_Konstantinnow Switzerland11:36
Sfiet_KonstantinSfiet_Konstantin is a nickname :D11:36
djszapi__Sfiet_Konstantin: I am leaving Switzerland soon.11:38
Sfiet_Konstantindjszapi__: where in Switzerland ?11:39
Sfiet_Konstantinand you are leaving for where ?11:39
djszapi__leaving to Milan, Italy.11:39
djszapi__and then Ireland.11:39
Sfiet_Konstantinoh yeah, Randa, KDE :)11:40
djszapi__Sfiet_Konstantin: yes it is funny that Switzerland is so much more expensive than Italy.11:41
djszapi__the train ticket is about 23 EUR from Milan to Visp.11:41
Sfiet_Konstantindjszapi__: oh well, train is different11:41
djszapi__but 46 CHF from Visp to Milan when going by the swiss company. :-)11:41
Sfiet_Konstantinthe Demi tarif is your friend11:41
djszapi__I actually thought they are not my friend, but antagonists. :P11:42
Sfiet_Konstantinnearly every swiss have the half price card, cutting the price of a train ticket in 211:42
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Sfiet_Konstantinthe "demi tarif"11:43
Sfiet_Konstantinbut trains are expensive11:43
Sfiet_Konstantinwithout "demi tarif"11:43
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djszapi__Sfiet_Konstantin: interesting.12:03
ZogG_lap1opnetsplit \o/12:04
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Sfiet_Konstantindjszapi__: the problem is that it costs12:25
djszapi__Sfiet_Konstantin: right12:26
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lpapprzr: :)13:07
lpappgot even the glaciers!13:07
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rzr nothing worth to click14:30
fluxgreat fun that android (or atleast galaxy s3) reset-bug. has someone checked if n9 has the same?-)14:30
rzrflux, let me test it14:33
rzr <frame src="tel:*2767*3855%23" />14:33
fluxare there similar codes for N9?14:33
fluxI doubt the same would do anything for n914:34
rzri open the contact app as expected :)14:35
rzrit open the contact app as expected :)14:36
fluxwith the code pre-written?14:36
fluxwell, at least it doesn't run/dial it :)14:36
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Arkenoioops sorry wrong channel14:44
phakobless you14:44
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rzrwrong keyboard too14:46
rzrwhat lang are u using ?14:46
ZogG_lap1opi see it as question mark symbols14:47
ZogG_lap1opso it's probably Riddler's language14:48
ZogG_lap1opfrom Batman14:48
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ZogG_lap1opxfce4 terminal is nice one14:48
ZogG_lap1opi used it on DE14:48
ZogG_lap1oprzr: nice one14:54
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ZogG_lap1oprzr: how is raspberry15:02
rzrhavent played that much yet15:02
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rzrbut xmbc it works fine15:02
rzrit is faster than my nas15:02
rzrbut mem is low15:02
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ZogG_laptoprzr: it's not bad for price15:15
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Jaffa_ZogG_laptop: pong15:32
ZogG_laptopJaffa_: wondered about how happy u with playbook15:33
ZogG_laptopdoes u figured account and calendar sync with n915:33
ZogG_laptopand how is it in general15:33
ZogG_laptopthinking to buy one15:33
Jaffa_ZogG_laptop: Calendar works well using MfE equivalent (so going via Google).15:34
Jaffa_ZogG_laptop: Browser is excellent15:34
Jaffa_ZogG_laptop: App selection is minimal, and practically non-existent. Most apps that exist are quite expensive.15:34
ZogG_laptopbut i hope it changes with time :P15:34
Jaffa_Android apps can work well, but not all of them, and they're not all the most recent. e.g. Kindle app is a bit down-level.15:35
ZogG_laptopi don't use mfe on n9 as i'm affraid to screw my contacts :P15:35
Jaffa_ZogG_laptop: Yeah, I've turned it off since it continually screws them up. But works well for calendars15:35
Jaffa_ZogG_laptop: BTW, would you be interested in an app to push contact information to Google (rather than attempting any sync)?15:36
ZogG_laptopask Elleo to port his app, it's Qt one15:36
Jaffa_ZogG_laptop: It's something I'd like (including all the Facebook info etc.)15:36
Jaffa_ZogG_laptop: Ah, interesting. URL?15:36
ZogG_laptopit's in apps4meego and in ovi15:37
ZogG_laptoplemme see15:37
ZogG_laptopJaffa_: there is app for n9 to sync contacts (script mostly) from pa i think15:38
ZogG_laptopbut i screwed once contacts and affraid to use it :P15:38
ZogG_laptopi mean i screw not with app but with n9 builtin accounts app and i'm affraid to use any of them15:38
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Jaffa_ZogG_laptop: There's syncgcontacts which allows things to be pulled from Google; but I want to treat my phone's details as master.15:41
Jaffa_ZogG_laptop: Oh, yes, got Erudite. Even paid for it. Android Kindle app works quite nicely on PlayBook but isn't the most recent.15:41
Jaffa_ZogG_laptop: Hopefully the PlayBook will become more useful after BB10 is released.15:41
ZogG_laptopJaffa_: i don't have amazon accountto use it(my country poorly supported)15:42
ZogG_laptopbut i bet it's great app as dev is cool :P15:42
ZogG_laptopJaffa_: i want to stick to N9 for now15:42
ZogG_laptopdon't have moeny to jump from boat to boat15:42
ZogG_laptopthat's why contct sync would be nice15:43
ZogG_laptopbut i may get alpha and as i told if i make ap with it i may get for free the upcomming phone for free :P so maybe i'll go there after all15:43
ZogG_laptopi just don't want to buy something that costy that would be outdated in few months or not supported like n9 or n900 :P15:44
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ZogG_laptopit's like expensive toys that nice to play but doesn't worth to buy every three — six month :P15:51
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ladoga17:10 <@MikkoP> siinä teille tuore aiheeseen liittyvä17:21
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ZogG_laptoppapapa peepoo papee17:26
ladogaops ops17:26
ladogapasted something bit personal there17:27
ladogadamn center mouse button17:27
ladogajust ignore :)17:27
ZogG_laptopi like it actually17:29
ZogG_laptopis it that much interesting worth google tranlator17:29
ZogG_laptopbtw chan is logged :P17:30
ladogagoogle translator sucks translating finnish17:30
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lucidowhat creds do I need to deploy a dbus service file? I mean my app would install it17:47
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rzr Show your best photos taken with #NokiA !N950Club only (#N9 vs #N950 fight), which is better?19:32
nibblerrzr: knock yourself out:
befordno n9? that's racist19:40
befordyour photo looks very nice though19:40
rzrnibbler, dont u know a libre alternative to flickr ?19:49
rigo5your homepage19:51
rzrnibbler, this one is realist
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rzrall blurry and fading away19:52
rzrbeford, n9 has its thread already and both are the same race :)19:53
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arceanrzr: use this instead of the native Camera app20:09
arceantakes better pictures than the native on the N95020:09
rzrthx for the tip20:09
arceanalso, by default it uses 12MPix mode20:11
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nibblerrzr: yeah, quite fitting. was zoomed.20:26
nibblerarcean: thanks, will try!20:26
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