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* djszapi_ has fixed another issue about porting the qt components to qt500:12
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* DocScrutinizer05 doesn't believe in world dominion04:36
DocScrutinizer05"don't think saw"   chainsaw is just fine04:38
DocScrutinizer05zoyou love saws?04:40
DocScrutinizer05meh, offline04:40
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* djszapi_ has fixed another qt5 qtquick2 harmattan component issue06:55
djszapi_another porting task is done.07:16
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djszapi_jpnurmi: ping07:57
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Dante_Japologies for the lag. Just noticed that there does appear to be awake people in this channel.08:48
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jpnurmidjszapi_: pong?09:10
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djszapi_jpnurmi: are you in charge of the qt components in any sense?09:17
Dante_Janyone wishing to provide a suggestion re: resetting a  N9 security code. I have forgotten what the 'generic' passcode I used and was wondering if there was a way from the command line I could do a passwd on the N9 security passcode09:17
Dante_JI've read this, for what it's worth:
jonniDante_J: by security code you mean root password or lock code?09:18
jonniDante_J: if you mean lock code, the only documented way to reset it is doing full reflash with --erase-user-data=secure09:19
Dante_Jnot root. i know what my command line root password is.09:19
Dante_J:( sniff09:19
Dante_JI'd prefer not to re-flash, as getting NaviFirmEx to work under wine is a pain09:20
Dante_JI'm yet to get NaviFirmEx to actually run09:20
Dante_Jmajor pain09:20
jonniDante_J: git://  you can use that in linux instead09:20
Dante_JRe-Flashing the N900 was easier. Less hoops to jump through.09:20
jonniDante_J: thats perl based firmware downloader.09:21
jpnurmidjszapi_: i've been involved in the past09:21
jpnurmidjszapi_: but i don't know about being in "charge"... i thought nobody has really worked on them for a good while09:22
djszapi_jpnurmi: I have begun that yesterday09:23
djszapi_because we have the beta 1 stack in place09:23
Dante_Jthanks jonni.09:23
djszapi_so if the components project is ported, all nice :)09:23
Dante_JI don't suppose the good person who wrote this is lurking in this channel?
Dante_J( itsnotabigtruck )09:24
Dante_Jping itsnotabigtruck?09:25
jpnurmidjszapi_: i think torarne was the last one to do something in that area. i mean, he was playing around with a qt5 port of the components09:26
djszapi_jpnurmi: I am soon ready09:26
jpnurmidjszapi_: there's a qtquick2 branch09:27
djszapi_jpnurmi: that is what I have been working on.09:29
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Dante_Jjonni, thanks again. That perl script seems to be working fine. Wish I found it previously. Cheers10:07
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ZogG_laptoppiggz, gonna try yoour game soon, use screenshotmee for screenshots. even better u can record video on n9 with gstream11:02
piggzZogG_laptop: thx .... kojacker just sent me a player 2 request, but my battery is flat!11:02
ZogG_laptopplayer 2 request?11:03
piggzZogG_laptop: it has online play11:04
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ZogG_laptoppiggz, it uses server? or only local multiplayer? i mean in local network11:06
piggzZogG_laptop: a server (i wrote myself in node.js)11:07
piggznice, found a bug, but my first real online game (those not played against wife) has started11:12
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ZogG_laptoppiggz, i'll try it today tomorrow :P11:17
piggzZogG_laptop: thx, 0.0.3 has just been uploaded, see tmo announcement, i will try for a 0.0.4 later11:18
piggzyay, i won!11:22
djszapi_jonni: would you mind trying to update your package database and install qt5-component for a quick check?11:30
paany way to format a timestamp as HHH:mm:ss ? QTime is able to format only HH:mm:ss11:34
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befordwhat is HHH ?11:52
deram_I'd guess its hours as a long number, not wrapped to days11:54
befordah right11:55
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pais there a qml event for a page "when it becomes visible"? or, alternatively "when it's being pushed on the stack"?12:24
payes, thats what i meant with HHH12:24
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pabut i fear Qt has no such thing12:24
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gripa: There is a "pageStatus" property12:39
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djszapichem|st: do you know anything about the council meeting with x-fade friday afternoon?12:50
chem|stdjszapi: nope12:50
djszapiI have just heard of this, and that it would be around 3 pm12:50
chem|st~seen ivgalvez12:51
infobotivgalvez is currently on #maemo-ssu (1h 29m 37s). Has said a total of 68 messages. Is idling for 22m 34s, last said: 'so I definitively do not understand it'.12:51
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chem|stdjszapi: I'm no council, ask the council! mail them council@ ...12:52
chem|stor snail mail idk12:52
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RST38hmoo, mgedmin12:56
RST38hmgedmin: So, still using N900? =)12:59
mgedminno, actually I don't even know where it is12:59
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RST38hmgedmin: N9 then? Or Android?13:00
* mgedmin ♥ N913:00
RST38hdid finally get a Samsung Note13:02
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* Arkenoi just ordered droid4 :-(13:20
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Lava_Crofti *almost* got a note, but thankgod i used it a bit before attempting to buy it14:54
Sfiet_KonstantinSamsung Note14:56
Sfiet_Konstantinor _Galaxy_ Note ?14:56
Lava_CroftSamsung Galaxy Note14:56
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat's wrong with the SGN ?14:56
Sfiet_Konstantinthe Galaxy Note14:57
Lava_Crofttoo big, too android, useless pen14:57
Lava_Croftim biased anyway, i got a galaxy nexus and sold it within a week to get my hands on a precious N914:57
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, I don't think that people on Harmattan can be fully unbiased, so I accept this opinion14:57
Lava_Croftbut the Galaxy Note did disappoint me14:58
Lava_Croftim not a fan of Samsung's custom android sauce14:58
Sfiet_Konstantinbut it is praised as being a very nice phone14:58
Lava_Croftso are a lot of other devices that i consider quite weak14:58
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe because you like multitasking ?14:59
Lava_Croftits certainly more versatile than a standard galaxy s2 or something14:59
Lava_Croftwell, my first 'smartphone', after a decade of Nokia 5510, was a N90014:59
Lava_Croftand that ruined everything14:59
Sfiet_KonstantinI see14:59
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, not everything14:59
Sfiet_Konstantinyou shouldn't14:59
Lava_Crofteverything for the competitors :)15:00
Sfiet_Konstantinfor me it is a different case15:00
Sfiet_KonstantinI got an Samsung Omnia, followed closely by the E7115:00
Lava_Croftmy wife has is an iphone user since day1, so i was well known with that15:00
Lava_Croftnote just felt sluggish15:00
Lava_Crofthas is an* good english15:00
Lava_Croftbut i reckon that if you are used to more standard smartphone, the note is indeed quite versatile15:01
Lava_Croftand it stands out in a crowd, especially when you have to get all the broken glass from your trouserpockets15:01
Lava_Croftsince its way too big15:01
Sfiet_Konstantinfor me, I feel like keyboard smartphones are missed15:01
Lava_Croftthats basically all i want from Jolla15:01
Lava_Crofta J90015:01
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Sfiet_Konstantinnot me15:01
Sfiet_KonstantinI want a Jolla pre15:01
Lava_Croftthe Pre was a joke15:01
Sfiet_Konstantinbut with better spec15:01
Lava_Croftlovely OS, but that device, meh15:02
Sfiet_Konstantin4'' screen as a min15:02
Lava_Croftsharp edges, poo keyboard15:02
Sfiet_Konstantinbut protrait keyboard15:02
Sfiet_KonstantinI mean, give me my E71 keyboard back15:02
Lava_Crofti desire landscape keyb, but software portrait keyb is fine by me15:02
Sfiet_Konstantinor better, the one of the E6315:02
Lava_Croftas long as its a HW landscape keyb15:02
Sfiet_Konstantinthat is the best that were ever made in the mobile world15:02
Sfiet_KonstantinI hate landscape keyboard, it is hard to type on it15:02
Lava_Crofti have the exact opposite experience15:03
Sfiet_Konstantinyou should at least try portrait 1 month for testing15:03
Sfiet_Konstantinfor texting15:03
Sfiet_KonstantinI mean15:03
Lava_Crofti had a Pre for 2 months15:03
Lava_Crofttesting it out15:03
Sfiet_Konstantina pre doesn't count15:03
Sfiet_Konstantinget an E63 for testing15:03
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat a lovely keyboard phone15:03
Sfiet_Konstantinbetter than any blackberry keyboard15:03
Lava_Croftoh,  a nokiaberry15:04
Lava_Croftno thanks! :)15:04
Sfiet_Konstantinoh BTW, I'm very selective on keyboards: E63, Lenovo X series :D15:04
Lava_Crofti like the wider landscape keyboards:)15:04
Lava_Croftbig hands too15:04
Sfiet_Konstantinso do I but I don't know, I compared the E71 and N95015:04
Lava_Crofti always find portrait keyboards too small15:04
Sfiet_Konstantinok then15:04
Lava_Croftbut i think we can agree on a hardware keyboard :)15:05
Sfiet_Konstantinbut I hate landscape mode, I feel like the space is not used wisely on landscape15:05
Sfiet_Konstantinyeah indeed15:05
Lava_Croftoh, well, landscape mode is the normal mode your eyes have too15:05
Sfiet_Konstantintexting in landscape is less comfortable15:05
jussiI want a semi transparent landscape keyboard...15:05
Lava_Croftor else you15:05
Lava_Croftend up typing like15:05
Sfiet_Konstantinjussi: not a bad idea15:05
Lava_Croftsince the screen is in portrait mode15:05
Sfiet_Konstantinnot true15:05
Lava_CroftJolla should come up with some genius fragile rotating HW keyboard15:05
Lava_Croftto please all the nerds15:05
jussiI love the e7/n950 hinge setup...15:06
Lava_Croftthey look awfully fragile to me:D15:06
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jussiLava_Croft: look, but arent - they are an amazing peice of design15:07
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Sfiet_KonstantinLava_Croft: you mean something like
jussithe amount of times ive dropped the n950... open... and the hinge is still perfect15:07
jussiSfiet_Konstantin: oh dear...15:08
Sfiet_Konstantinjussi: the N950 is undestructible15:08
Lava_CroftSfiet_Konstantin: haha15:08
Sfiet_Konstantinit can heal itself15:08
Lava_CroftSfiet_Konstantin: except the n950 screen15:08
jussiit is the TERMINATOR!15:08
Sfiet_Konstantinhow can you break a selfhealing phone15:08
Sfiet_Konstantineven the N950 screen15:08
Sfiet_Konstantini had dead pixels15:08
Sfiet_Konstantinthat are now living again :S15:08
gridropped mine once and the dead pixels began to spread :/15:08
Sfiet_Konstantinit depends on the drop :(15:08
Sfiet_Konstantinsome reported that it healed, some not :(15:09
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chem|stalterego: I'll be on vacation next week, if you got anything you want be tested yet /query or email it :)15:33
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alteregochem|st: I'm soooo busy right now :)15:43
chem|stalterego: :)15:45
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djszapiN9jonni, have you tried the installation?15:58
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piggzZogG_laptop: added screenshots to
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djszapi -> we have reached the 700 packages in the community repository yay :)18:05
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Sfiet_Konstantindjszapi: I might need help for packaging widgets 1.0 soon18:18
Sfiet_Konstantinand push it to apps.formeego18:18
Sfiet_Konstantinmay I ask for some help this week ?18:18
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djszapiSfiet_Konstantin: I do not know much about apps.formeego unfortunately.18:26
Sfiet_Konstantindo you know about OBS ?18:26
Sfiet_Konstantinthe last time i tried to package something on OBS i utterly failed :(18:27
kevin_bhello guys18:34
kevin_bhow to reboot dui?18:35
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teleshoesanyone know where the background of the standby screen lives? {not the lowpower screen; this one has rain by default on mine}19:32
teleshoesmine changed while i was mucking about, trying to make /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/images/backgrounds/meegotouch-desktop-bg.jpg work with a symlink19:34
teleshoesi cant find a copy of the image thats showing up there; find -mmin says that no files but the desktop-bg changed in the last 20 hours19:36
teleshoesin /usr/share, that is19:36
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djszapiteleshoes: you mean lock screen19:44
teleshoesthe screen that is displayed literally only when unplugging my headphones19:45
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teleshoesnot the lowpower lock screen19:45
djszapithere is no low power lock screen19:45
djszapithere is a lock screen and a standby screen19:45
teleshoesi now have good names for the screens19:46
teleshoesstandby is the this-is-an-amoled-screen-so-lets-save-power19:46
teleshoesand lock screen is this-screen-isnt-really-useful-unless-you-have-an-n95019:46
djszapiit is useful19:47
djszapithere are application to change the content etc19:47
teleshoesi have a nice text-only heads up on my standby screen19:47
teleshoeswith notifications and my song titles and my battery current and remaining % etc19:48
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teleshoesanywho, do you happen to know how to change the lock screen bg19:51
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teleshoesnono, programmatically19:55
djszapido you have any other information you have not mentioned yet?19:56
teleshoesprobably, sorry, lets see19:57
teleshoeswhat im trying to figure out19:57
teleshoesis where the information is kept19:57
teleshoesto change it programmatically19:57
teleshoese.g.: the desktop bg19:57
teleshoesis at /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/images/backgrounds/meegotouch-desktop-bg.jpg19:57
teleshoesyou change that by replacing that file, and initctl restart xsession/mthome19:57
teleshoesim looking to do something similar19:58
teleshoeswith the lock screen's background, the thing that is called Wallpaper in Settings19:58
teleshoesmy {cp $1 /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/images/backgrounds/meegotouch-desktop-bg.jpg; initctl restart xsession/mthemedaemon; initctl restart xsession/mthemedaemon}20:00
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teleshoesrather, {cp $1 /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/images/backgrounds/meegotouch-desktop-bg.jpg; initctl restart xsession/mthemedaemon; initctl restart xsession/mthome}20:01
teleshoesso the only copy of the file ive found is at ~/.wallpapers20:01
djszapigconftool-2 --get /desktop/meego/background/portrait/picture_filename - ~/.wallpapers/Jeremy_Dower.jpg -> this is how you can get it20:02
teleshoesawesome thanks20:02
teleshoesi had grepped it for wallpaper20:02
djszapiand of course it has a --set option as well20:02
teleshoesyep, i know how to use gconftool20:03
teleshoesthanks a ton20:03
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ZogG_laptop sup20:17
befordnot bad20:18
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befordZogG_laptop: do you want to check what is pomodoro? :P20:18
djszapibeford: could you please check the qt5-components installation?20:19
beforddjszapi: sure20:19
beforddjszapi: steps? pr1.3 required?20:19
djszapibeford: preferrably on the device20:19
ZogG_laptopbeford: why not20:19
djszapiso you can check the qml components gallery example.20:19
djszapibeford: should be working with previous firmwares as well.20:20
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djszapijust make sure you have the community repository added.20:20
befordok let me add it to the N950 with PR1.220:20
befordZogG_laptop: hold on let me upload it20:21
ZogG_laptopbeford: ok20:21
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: sivang say hello20:21
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: dont chat from iphone :P20:22
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djszapibeford: have you managed the qt5-components package?20:56
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ZogG_N9MohammadAG, ping20:57
beforddo you know howto add the harmattan repo?20:57
befordI will add it and test20:57
djszapibeford: deb harmattan/sdk free non-free20:57
ZogG_N9beford, sorry i disappered20:58
befordhey ZogG_N9, its ok20:58
ZogG_N9we had qt meeting20:58
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befordinstalling now djszapi21:00
beforddjszapi: I dont see any new icons on the homescreen21:04
beforddjszapi: whats the package name for the gallery?21:04
djszapiyou need to run that from console.21:04
befordah ok /opt/qt5 ?21:05
befordand where is the gallery? :P21:07
befordI dont see it in bin21:07
djszapidpkg -L qt5-components21:07
djszapiinteresting only imports..21:07
djszapithe examples are not installed21:08
djszapithat is weird.21:08
djszapithere should even be demos there.21:08
djszapiI will double check the packaging.21:09
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djszapiit is most likely a qmake issue21:09
djszapiExamples ......................... yes21:11
djszapishould be alright'osh21:11
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ieatlintbeford: hah, yeah, just saw that post about the prototype too... depressing21:29
ieatlinti'm more depressed about the fact that i'm getting pushed more and more toward android now21:29
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befordieatlint: yea :/ too bad it was eloped, it looks nice21:36
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djszapiieatlint: beford do not cry :)21:39
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beforddjszapi should get me one of those21:40
clauit seems n9 losses wireless connection whenever the dhcp lease expires21:40
clauis there anything I can do to fix this?21:40
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djszapiI wonder if anybody can commit a change for me?21:43
ieatlintdjszapi: i don't specifically miss that pictures device... i just want an updated one now21:43
djszapior it is also good if someone tells me how to push to gitorious over http(s)21:43
ieatlintthe n9 has been out for a year, and it was already a year-old hardware then21:43
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ieatlintso am on two year old hardware, missing app support from major companies, and no hope of the platform continuing21:46
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djszapiN9ieatlint, n9 is a good qt5 testing platform for me.21:49
djszapiN9I prefer phones over desktop or tablets.21:50
ieatlintsure.. i'm just depressed at the inevitable android switch in my immediate future21:50
ieatlintdoesn't mean i'm getting rid of the meego devices i have21:50
djszapiN9I do not see any alternatives for qt5 experiments as of now.21:50
djszapiN9qt android?21:51
djszapiN9java, native, but not qt?21:51
djszapiN9android ain't that bad.21:51
clauanyone knows if it's safe to modify the scripts under /etc/udhcpc ?21:52
sneakyc4hello guys21:53
djszapiN9clau, check if it is refhashed.21:53
sneakyc4how to get rid of : dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /lib/ (used by debian/libqt4-3d/usr/lib/qt4/imports/Qt3D/
djszapiN9sneakyc4, reinstall21:53
sneakyc4i made a custom debian/shlibs.local but it mess the package afterward21:53
sneakyc4djszapiN9 : reinstall what? scratchbox ?21:54
djszapiN9the package having the dependency information21:54
djszapiN9dpkg -S will tell you which one21:55
sneakyc4ok let's make install Qt3D if it 's not been done21:55
djszapiN9you should not touch qt3d21:55
sneakyc4mmm, shlibs fails to find libstdc++ O_o!21:58
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sneakyc4it misses this dependency info right21:58
sneakyc4and it only misses info for the qml plugin of Qt3d, the lib is fine21:59
djszapiyou are not quite getting that error message ;)22:00
djszapidpkg -S /lib/
djszapiyou need to reinstall this.22:01
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sneakyc4where the *** should I get libstdc++ it is a standard package22:03
sneakyc4already distributed with platform sdk isn't it22:03
sneakyc4i can find it22:03
sneakyc4so why cannot shlibs22:04
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sneakyc4ho or maybe i miss the dbg one22:11
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djszapisneakyc4: interesting that you do not follow the suggestions.22:14
* sneakyc4 following22:16
sneakyc4just slow connection22:16
* sneakyc4 praying22:17
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sneakyc4so i re installed libstdc++-dev22:19
sneakyc4still same problem22:19
djszapi_paste the output of the installation22:20
djszapi_you have not used fakeroot22:23
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sneakyc4for install libstdc++ ?22:23
sneakyc4or for packaing my app?22:23
M4rtinKOvi is funny22:26
M4rtinKlooks like there is no way to synchronize package description & package update22:27
M4rtinKso if you submit a both at the same time, the description will usually published way before the package22:27
M4rtinKthe other possibility is to wait for the package to be published and then submit the updated description - which will result in an outdated description for some time22:28
sneakyc4djszapi : when should I use fakeroot? when install packages?22:29
M4rtinKand in related news Apps for MeeGo is still down22:29
* sneakyc4 confused by scratchbox22:29
sneakyc4I think libstdc++ should not be in debian/control, it s a basic package22:30
sneakyc4which can not be removed usually the system heavily rely on22:31
djszapi_M4rtinK: yeah, it is a long-time issue22:31
M4rtinKdjszapi: the Ovi one ?22:32
djszapi_description ships before the content.22:32
M4rtinKbtw, I'm quite surprised they managed to check Chinese, Czech & French at once that quickly :)22:34
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sneakyc4rhaaa f**** libstdc++ dependency23:28
sneakyc4or f*** qt3d plugin I should say, coz dh_shlibdeps does not complain about liQt3D23:29
sneakyc4f*** great news :)23:31
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* sneakyc4 work around the problem23:38
sneakyc4djszapi_:why using fakeroot for installing?23:39
djszapi_because the install touches system files?23:39
djszapi_which the user does not have access?23:39
sneakyc4why should install libstdc++ provided by nokia break anything?23:40
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djszapi_because you messed with your system23:40
sneakyc4dunno what you talks about23:41
sneakyc4apt-get and dpkg deals with guarding the system from abnormal install/remove23:42
sneakyc4as long as u don't force it why should it break23:43
djszapi_I would suggest to learn the basics instead of lecturing about this. :)23:44
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sneakyc4If I ask you , that's coz I wanna learn dude23:44
sneakyc4May you teach me ;)23:45
sneakyc4Asking 's a lecture then I shall be lecturing all day long23:45
djszapi_well, I told you two hours ago what to do to fix the issue23:46
djszapi_you have not still followed my suggestion.23:46
djszapi_just asking why why :)23:47
djszapi_you either learn these things, or trust us.23:47
djszapi_I do not have time to explain those things now.23:47
sneakyc4you told me re install aka dpkg -S /lib/
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: ping23:49
djszapi_ZogG_laptop: pong23:50
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: i'll ping u in jabber, ok?23:51
sneakyc4djszapi : Thanks for your patience, but i doesnt solve the problem23:52
sneakyc4removed libstdc++, fakeroot install, dpkg -S /usr/lib/
djszapi_removed LOLZ23:53
djszapi_that is a very important system package...23:53
sneakyc4dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /lib/ libqthreedqmlplugin.so23:53
djszapi_you should have just reinstalled it...23:53
sneakyc4that occurs only for plugins23:54
djszapi_dpkg -S ${which}23:54
djszapi_or locate23:54
djszapi_please use your brain :D23:54
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sneakyc4you coz your 's always off I get it23:54
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sneakyc4just re just useless23:55
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sneakyc4But thanks for the time23:55
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