IRC log of #harmattan for Saturday, 2012-09-01

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befordtime tracking thing00:05
beforda coworker is using it on Android so i think I can do one this weekend :P00:05
befordtime management method00:06
ZogG_laptopbeford: why don't u apply T client?00:07
ZogG_laptopand did u apply on site as well?00:07
befordno, I'll send it tonight00:07
ZogG_laptopaply both00:08
ZogG_laptop~seen kojacker00:09
infobotkojacker <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 786d 22h 5m 55s ago, saying: 'Ive been googling, I think he's Norweigan .. and yes you should be asleep!'.00:09
befordoh yea I read that on the wiki, we have to send it through mail00:09
beforddoesn't seem like the best approach00:09
ZogG_laptopthere is site00:11
ZogG_laptopkojacker did00:11
befordoh I'll check that00:12
ElleoI just got my first politely worded letter from a lawyer, informing me that I need to change the name of my Kindle reader application because "Firestarter" is too close to some of Amazon's trademarks :/00:15
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rZrElleo call it FireAmazonLawyers00:21
rZror the smarter way00:21
rZrElleo call it F1r34m4z0nL4wy3rs00:21
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ZogG_laptopElleo: call it sparkle00:24
rashm2kmy app is coming along nicely00:24
ElleoI'm wondering about Tinderbox00:24
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ZogG_laptoprashm2k: screenshots? what app?00:27
rashm2kebay app00:31
rashm2kits not yet worthy of screenshots00:31
ZogG_laptopdoes it steal money?00:31
rashm2kno it does not ;-)00:32
rashm2kvery complex00:32
rashm2kcross compiled a web service framework00:32
rashm2kgenerated xml bindings using the WSDL file00:32
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rashm2know I'm interacting with the web service00:34
ZogG_laptoprashm2k: not stealling == doesn't worth it00:34
rashm2kI shall put some code in my app00:34
rashm2kif username == ZogG_laptop00:34
rashm2ksteal money!!!!00:34
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ZogG_laptoprashm2k: why _laptop?00:38
ZogG_laptopu think i have few account for each device?00:38
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virtualdElleo: why not Cinder Jungle?00:47
Elleovirtuald: heh00:47
Elleotheir lawyers are currently being very polite and vaguely friendly, I don't really want to antagonise them ;)00:48
virtualddo you depend on them approving your app?00:48
ElleoI depend on them not sueing me00:49
ZogG_laptopElleo: call it retratserif00:50
virtualdhow could they sue you for calling it cinder jungle?00:54
virtualdor even jungle cinder00:54
ElleoOctavo perhaps?00:55
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HurrianAnyone tried to build a kernel for Harmattan yet?00:58
ZogG_laptopHurrian: u can't00:59
HurrianWhy not?01:00
HurrianIt'd require openmode, but I'm pretty sure applying the incrementals for will go fine.01:01
ZogG_laptopu need to apply all patches from nokia01:02
ZogG_laptopi tried but i;m too noob01:02
rashm2kQObject::connect(&nam, SIGNAL(finished(QNetworkReply *)), &eventLoop, SLOT(quit()));01:02
rashm2kI get a segfault when i do eventLoop.exec01:02
HurrianDownload the Harmattan source, and simply patch in the incrementals for .54-59.01:03
Hurrianor make a tree, then make a unified diff of the Harmattan and Vanilla kernels to grab Nokia's patches01:04
ZogG_laptopi did last option01:04
Hurrianit'd be a stupidly large patch, I won't bother with it01:04
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rashm2kany ideas?01:07
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rashm2kfucking hell01:35
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rashm2kIve copied the first bit of code and it just bloody segfaulst!!!!01:36
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rashm2kreally getting really pissed off01:37
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ZogG_laptopsegfaults are cool01:42
ZogG_laptoprashm2k: add more debuging01:42
ZogG_laptopcheck on witch line01:42
ZogG_laptopi bet something memory related or something01:42
ZogG_laptopsnip the code01:42
ZogG_laptopi'm not a pro01:42
ZogG_laptopbut there are few here01:43
rashm2kwhat does this line do01:43
rashm2kQEventLoop loop;01:43
ZogG_laptopthough most people asleep now01:43
ZogG_laptoprashm2k: it declares01:43
rashm2kits a reference?01:43
ZogG_laptopsame as int i;;01:43
ZogG_laptopor QString NameOFPlayer;01:43
rashm2kdoes the no argument constructor of qeventloop get called?01:44
rashm2k^^^^ that is the key question01:45
ZogG_laptopi have no idea01:45
ZogG_laptoplast time i got segfault is cause i didn't freed properl and re asigned some vars. it had garbage left in mempry01:48
ZogG_laptopbut it was more C than even C++, not even Qt :P01:48
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rashm2kits really annoying because all qt objects just say unavailable synchronous data in the debugger01:49
ZogG_laptopshow the part of code01:51
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jktrashm2k: you have read the warnings all over the page telling you not to use this code, right?01:56
jktrashm2k: nested event loops are something you don't really want to debug01:56
rashm2kyeah i saw the warning01:57
rashm2kbut wanted it to be synchronous01:58
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rashm2kIm trying to implement a image cache02:01
jktrespectfully, if your C++ knowledge is nto sufficient to see what "QEventLoop loop;" means, it suggests that you shouldn't just dismiss these warnings02:01
rashm2kI have a QMap<QString, QImage>02:01
jktmaybe you're used to some other programming environment02:01
rashm2kbut I expected the code given to work02:02
rashm2kI can change it later02:02
rashm2konce I have my app working02:02
ZogG_laptoplater means never :P02:02
rashm2kwhich stores images requested from the web02:02
rashm2kcan you please explain what QEventLoop loop does02:03
rashm2kI'm pretty sure  loop is a reference02:03
rashm2kthus cannot be null02:03
ZogG_laptopvariable of type QEventLoop with name loop02:03
rashm2kso the Construcotr of QEventLoop is called02:03
rashm2kbut is it a pointer or a reference>?02:04
jktit's neither02:04
rashm2kso what type is loop?02:04
rashm2kwhat is it>02:05
jktQEventLoop is different from QEventLoop * or QEventLoop &02:05
ZogG_laptopi dunno02:05
rashm2kso what does it mean exactly?02:05
ZogG_laptopQEventLoop * would be pointer of type Qeventloop i assume02:06
ZogG_laptopand & aways scared me :P02:06
rashm2kyes and reference is a reference to that object02:06
jktwhy don't you just listen to the warnings and write proper asynchronous handlers for the events which QNetworkAccessManager helpfully emits?02:06
rashm2kpointers can be null references cannot02:06
rashm2kI think I will have to do that02:06
ZogG_laptoprashm2k: what are u trying to do?02:06
ZogG_laptopto get images?02:06
jktthat's how you're supposed to work in Qt02:06
rashm2kImplement an Image Cache02:07
jktyou can hack around it, but you'd be hitting problems all the time02:07
jktyou likely want to do something which maybe requires caching images02:07
jktwhat's that "soemthing"?02:07
ZogG_laptopi never did things on that level as i'm noob02:07
rashm2kI'm showing a list of images to the user02:07
rashm2kobtianed from the web02:08
jktin what?02:08
ZogG_laptopbut if i would do it with my knowledge and if there is no already made proper fucntions/ways. i would keep array of images and the paths for them in /tmp/app/ or something :)02:08
ZogG_laptoprashm2k: why didn't u say qml?02:08
ZogG_laptopqml has cache for images02:09
ZogG_laptopi did it02:09
rashm2kQML is the easier bit02:09
rashm2kgo on go on.......02:09
rashm2knah thats not what I want02:10
jktZogG_laptop: do you aactually have a reference for that?02:10
jktbecause QNAM's default behavior is to not use cache02:10
ZogG_laptopjkt: i thought qml handles cache here02:11
rashm2kI don't think it does02:11
jktrashm2k: are we talking about images fetched through http?02:11
ZogG_laptopcacheBuffer: 3600 ?02:12
jktif so,,, is what you're looking for02:12
ZogG_laptopjkt: and what i did is?02:13
rashm2khey ho!02:13
rashm2kthat looks good!02:13
rashm2keven better as it can be used across multiple sessions02:14
jktZogG_laptop: the effect will be similar, yes02:14
rashm2kthe problem is that the QML Image element requests an Image02:16
rashm2kwhich I download02:16
rashm2kthis needs to be synch so the images gets loaded at that time rather than later02:16
ZogG_laptoprashm2k: i my app it uses images as well02:17
ZogG_laptopbut i show all images and load one by one and not in order02:17
jktrashm2k: so you'd prefer to freeze your UI while you're waiting for the network? that's a strange design02:17
ZogG_laptoprashm2k: jkt isn't better way to use loading while it's not complete?02:18
rashm2kthe quickest way to get it donw02:18
rashm2kI should really have a signal/slot to qml02:18
ZogG_laptopanyway rashm2k u can see my app as an example if you want, or not if you don't02:18
ZogG_laptopjkt: night :P02:19
rashm2kcool thanks02:19
ZogG_laptoprashm2k: check cpp part as well. it's small app. and in ovi for free if you want to check how it works - > check gallery in header to see that part working02:19
jktyou do realize that QML handles all that asynchronisity for you, right?02:19
rashm2keven if multiple QML image elements get called isn't the ImageProvide still single threaded?02:21
ZogG_laptoprashm2k: and there is also code there how i connect qml and cpp(qnam) so it loads pic by pic and it's parallel thing and it's list or grid as well :P02:21
rashm2kThe link is above?02:21
ZogG_laptopimgrup on github02:21
rashm2kI will take a look02:21
ZogG_laptopin src/qml/Gallery and i think /src/gallery.cpp02:22
jktbeing asynchronous has nothing to do with threads02:22
jktbut do whatever you want to do, it's your time02:22
rashm2kI need to think about this a little more02:22
rashm2kMy aim was to get it done today!02:22
ZogG_laptoprashm2k: i checked my code02:23
ZogG_laptopqnam return unparsed json02:23
ZogG_laptopand than it goes thru array of pictures02:23
ZogG_laptopand append them02:23
ZogG_laptopand cache in qml02:23
ZogG_laptopu can emit one by one and just use some index or counter for each one i think02:24
befordand its gone02:24
rashm2kThis is code i was looking at02:24
ZogG_laptopbeford: ?02:24
befordaaaaaand its gone02:24
rashm2kI'ts in French but google translate works well02:24
ZogG_laptopbeford: we put your money to this company and it would profit, as well to thi... aaaaand it's gone02:25
jktthat example is wrong on so many levels02:28
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rashm2kWhy do you say aht02:32
rashm2kalthough first can someone please explain what QEventLoop loop; does?02:35
jktif the point is just to load images from the web, you don't have to do anything, QML can do it by itself02:35
jktit attempts to implement a singleton pattern in a funny way02:35
jktit has memory leaks over the place02:36
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rashm2kwhere are the memory leaks?02:40
jktinstantiating and never freeing the QNAM, for example02:40
jktI stopped looking after that02:40
rashm2kqnam should only be one instance anyway?02:41
jktwhat is the ultimate end result you want to achieve, anyway?02:41
rashm2kimage cache02:41
rashm2kthats it02:41
* jkt gives up02:41
jktgood night02:41
rashm2kmaybe tomorrow02:42
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vapeHi. I am facing a dramatic problem with my Nokia N9. My screen sometimes starts flashing, then it goes off for a while.12:37
vapeI sent it to nokia care, they fixed it... when i got it back after a month.. the problem comes again.. how can i diagnose it please ?12:37
pawell the diagnose is that nokia care sucks12:38
pai also sent them my phone back12:38
pathey "fixed it", but the problem is still there12:38
rZrsame for my e712:38
vapewat was your problem pa ?12:39
vapesame ?12:39
pano, i have some touch problems12:39
pawhen speaker is speaking12:39
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vapemmm... i think they cannot support open-source  :)12:39
vapeor maybe their hardware is not ready for that12:39
vapeis there a place where error logs are stored so, i can check what was going on?12:40
vapeI looked inside /var/log/12:40
palol,  in my case is for sure hw problem, it doesnt happen on other n912:40
vapenothing related to taht12:40
vapewell... sending it back then..  :)12:41
vapemy problem.. if i want to send it to them... i will be spending more than the phone's value itself12:42
vapecoz am so far..12:42
vapei'd rather get another phone..12:42
djszapi_vape: that is unfortunate.12:44
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rashm2kAnyone have a nice solution to this problem:12:49
djszapi_why do you need blocking call?12:52
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rashm2kHow else would I do it?12:52
vapeI've got an update. I am able to reproduce the problem now  :) ... I have alot of pictures in my library.. so, when I cycle through them, if i cycle very quickly, the screen will go off for a while... then it will come again if i click on the upper side12:53
djszapi_rashm2k: async12:53
rashm2kyes but how does the QML Image component know when the Image has been downloaded?12:54
djszapi_rashm2k: notification12:54
rashm2kI shall give you some pastebin12:55
vapeany ideas ?12:55
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djszapi_rashm2k: you do not need to.12:56
djszapi_it is a theoritical concept.12:56
djszapi_You have problems with the implementation, and not the concept?12:56
rashm2kI dont know12:57
rashm2kI'm trying to figure this out but I deffo need help12:57
rashm2keach time a new image is requested I create a new ImageDownloader to download that Image12:59
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rashm2kany ideas djszapi_13:12
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djszapi_rashm2k: I told you :)13:16
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rashm2kI don't think it's possible that way13:24
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ZogG_laptoprashm2k: still doing it?14:02
rashm2kyeah man14:16
rashm2kI've connnected the signal to the slot but the slot never seems to get called!14:17
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ZogG_laptopu did it wrong than14:27
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rashm2kI think I got it now with the event loop14:32
rashm2kAsync is no good for me14:33
khertanIt s now done, all my apps will be unpublished from that sucky nokia store !14:34
ZogG_laptopsome people when seeking for help, mostly speak with themselves, they ask question and when got proper answers refuse to take them, as they want to hear something else. So i decided not to spend my time on those. i hope as well i don't act like that :P14:34
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: lol14:34
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: may i request some python port from you?14:34
rashm2kthis is exaclty what I needed:14:34
ZogG_laptopkhertan: the one from n90014:35
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: ?14:37
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djszapi_rashm2k: why don't you just follow what is written there?14:41
djszapi_there are at least two approaches mentioned there.14:41
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djszapi_one of them is also what I recommended.14:42
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rashm2kyeah I'm trying to do that14:48
rashm2ktrying to figure out changes I need to make to suite my needs14:48
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rashm2kIve decided to stick to a pure qml approach15:11
rashm2kcache: true15:11
rashm2kasynch: true15:11
rashm2kfor the moment15:11
djszapi_that may be a wrong decision...15:12
djszapi_due to that someone was telling that async is only available in Qt5.15:12
khertanZogG_laptop, yep what did you request ?15:13
rashm2kit needs a little more thinking and I dont have the time15:14
rashm2kI've already spent too much time on this15:14
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: btw your mail is also your jabber?15:19
khertanZogG_laptop, khertan _a_t_ khertan.net15:31
khertanZogG_laptop, pure qwidget15:32
khertanZogG_laptop, require rewrite of it in qml15:32
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khertanZogG_laptop, and the jabber is at gmail15:44
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: zogg at noicq org15:51
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arcean__rZr, could you add 'arcean' to the gitorious harmattan repo?17:31
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ZogG_laptoparcean__: he can't. u are out-law now :P17:45
ZogG_laptoparcean__: btw there is github group as well managed by thp17:45
ZogG_laptoparcean__: sup man?17:46
arcean__just hacking harmattan control panel ;)17:46
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ZogG_laptoparcean__: what ya exactly doing?17:47
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: sup17:47
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: sup17:47
Sfiet_Konstantinreinstalling Linux17:47
djszapi_arcean__: I wanted to add you.17:47
arcean__landscape mode and fixing a couple of the master patches17:47
Sfiet_KonstantinAt least I got my Debian :)17:48
djszapi_but I cannot seem to be able to log in unfortunately.17:48
arcean__djszapi, ah, thanks anyway :)17:48
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ZogG_laptopnoone wants to add me :(17:49
Sfiet_Konstantindid anyone know if there is a way to get scratchbox and madde as debian packages, instead of using QtSDK ?17:52
djszapi_Sfiet_Konstantin: scratchbox is installable from debian package..17:53
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: u can get both working without qtsdk17:53
djszapi_arcean__: can you now log into gitorious? It does not work on my laptop, nor on m9 apparently.17:53
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arcean__djszapi: sure, it's possible here17:54
djszapi_and did not work at my company either yesterday or before that.17:54
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djszapi_I am always getting this from everywhere:17:54
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Sfiet_Konstantinclean your cookies17:54
djszapi_Sfiet_Konstantin: was done many times.17:55
djszapi_arcean__: finally managed :)17:55
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: but madde don't seems to be packaged :(17:55
djszapi_welcome to the group. :-)17:55
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arcean__djszapi: thank you ! :D17:56
Sfiet_Konstantinnice :)17:58
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, not that one :( I wanted without SDK17:58
Sfiet_Konstantinbut well, I'm gonna manage17:58
Sfiet_Konstantinand I prefer madde since it is easier to integrate it with QtCreator17:58
djszapi_Sfiet_Konstantin: have you actually read that what I gave you?17:59
djszapi_scratchbox is coming from debian packages just as written aforementioned..18:00
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Sfiet_KonstantinI was interested by madde18:00
Sfiet_Konstantinfor scratchbox, it is OK18:00
djszapi_you have asked both.18:00
djszapi_you have said that later only.18:00
djszapi_but either way, I have at least packages for Archlinux.18:01
djszapi_too bad the debian packagers do not care.18:01
ZogG_laptopi bet it's there18:01
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, I'm still choosing my distro18:01
Sfiet_Konstantindebian with apt is nice18:01
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Sfiet_Konstantinbut I might try arch as well18:02
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat is the best advantage of arch ?18:02
ZogG_laptopdo not use it18:03
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ZogG_laptopgo with funtoo :P18:03
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djszapi_Sfiet_Konstantin: I like that the packages are fresh without custom builds.18:03
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: close the door, it's cold outside. you in or out18:03
Sfiet_Konstantinis the package management system nice ?18:03
ZogG_laptopi would say it's mess18:04
djszapi_Sfiet_Konstantin: I have not had a problem with it too much.18:04
ZogG_laptopas well as systemd18:04
djszapi_Sfiet_Konstantin: although I was developing it back then, so I am perhaps a bit biased. :-)18:04
DocScrutinizer05ZogG_laptop: I just went out to fart18:04
ZogG_laptopyaourt is mess with duplicates and left depricated stuff18:04
Sfiet_KonstantinI want something stable, although quite up to date18:04
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: than its ok18:04
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: funtoo :)18:04
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Sfiet_KonstantinI hate ubuntu, because of their UI choice18:05
djszapi_Sfiet_Konstantin: KUbuntu?18:05
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, buntkuh is ... Redmond, or
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: well, compiling is painful18:05
Sfiet_Konstantinlack of root is a shame18:05
Sfiet_Konstantinand enabling it on an ubuntu just mess everything in the system18:06
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: root on funtoo is ok18:06
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, I'm gonna stick with debian I think, although if their package are not the best18:06
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: and compling is not that bad with todays hw18:06
Sfiet_Konstantinit was for djszapi_ :D18:06
Sfiet_KonstantinLenovo X200 man, a computer that have >4 years18:06
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: i update once in a week/two weeks18:06
Sfiet_Konstantinremember penryn CPU ?18:06
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, my Lenovo T500 is incredible18:07
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: u don't have to look at compaling process18:07
MohammadAGis there an app for the N9 to announce the caller name?18:07
DocScrutinizer05also not exactly new but really fine hw18:07
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: well, I compile Qt5 once a week, and it already eats some hours (webkit inside)18:08
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, one day I will try gentoo based distros18:08
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: webkit and LO and chrome are heavy, true18:09
ZogG_laptopbut there are bins there for that18:09
Sfiet_Konstantinmore harmattan related, do anyone of you tried to identify if there is a dbus signal that is sent when the N9 alarm clock is ringing ?18:09
Sfiet_Konstantinnot for Qt5 master :) ZogG_laptop18:09
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: and overlays are nice, though i prefer not to use those18:10
MohammadAGSfiet_Konstantin, probably yes18:11
MohammadAGbut if you're thinking of the bouncy thing on the lockscreen, it's closed :P18:11
Sfiet_Konstantinsince I'm replacing the lockscreen, I don't care about the bouncy18:12
Sfiet_KonstantinI want a better effect18:12
Sfiet_Konstantinbut if you know, currently, my lockscreen do not respond to incoming calls, alarm and calendar18:12
MohammadAGwhat happens when one comes in?18:13
Sfiet_Konstantini want to address this bug, bug playing with dbus while setting the alarm, i did not find anything18:13
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, the screen turns on, and stay locked :D18:13
Sfiet_Konstantinno bouncy things, but widgets are displayed18:13
MohammadAGwell, yeah, the bouncy thing is in the lockscreen code18:13
MohammadAGand it's actually a shitty way to implement it18:13
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: maybe u should check how system-ui react to incomings18:14
Sfiet_Konstantinneed code18:14
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MohammadAGlockscreen is closed18:14
MohammadAGlockscreen loader isn't, and is part of system-ui18:14
Sfiet_Konstantininteresting as hell18:14
Sfiet_Konstantinit might address some of my problems18:15
Sfiet_Konstantinlike why LPM don't work18:15
DocScrutinizer05all hail to HARM, wasn't there the promise everything will be waaaay better with HARM than with fremantle, regarding openness, closed blobs etc?18:15
Sfiet_Konstantinand why some methods are useless18:15
MohammadAGLPM doesn't work?18:15
MohammadAGdo it yourself18:15
MohammadAGit's just a write to sysfs :)18:15
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: it is18:15
Sfiet_KonstantinI cannot detect how it is turned on ... I don't have an N918:15
DocScrutinizer05I see :-/18:15
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: no open stuff, no thoughts and regrets.18:15
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: Nokia can kill it quiker, without it suffering :P18:16
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: like stalin said. no person — no problem18:16
DocScrutinizer05seems to be a russian saying18:16
MohammadAGright, sec18:17
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: u know he didn't change one of the captured germnan's officers for his captured sons :P was  nice guy :)18:17
DocScrutinizer05Stalin? for sure was one of the nicer ones18:18
ZogG_laptopyeah. we would be nice chanop :P18:18
MohammadAGecho 1 > /sys/devices/omapdss/display0/lpm18:18
MohammadAGthat enables LPM18:18
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: how ya doing?18:19
DocScrutinizer05the more it bewilders me how many Russians still honour this asshole18:19
MohammadAGLPM is low-colour mode too(!!!)18:19
MohammadAGso make sure you show basic colours18:19
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, trying to get one of my phones to announce caller18:19
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: my grandma toled they cried when he died ( she was child than)18:19
Sfiet_Konstantinyeah, that's right _but_ I want to detect _when_ the screen became turned "off", ie when it switch to LPM18:19
MohammadAGSfiet_Konstantin, also the screen isn't updated18:20
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: to announce is like to say? or what?18:20
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Sfiet_KonstantinMohammadAG: interesting to know that18:20
MohammadAGSfiet_Konstantin, use mce signals18:20
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, I might want to get (or at least brought) an N918:20
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: i hate this unpdating thing18:20
Sfiet_KonstantinI already use QmSystem18:20
Sfiet_Konstantinbut it do not provide anything related to LPM18:20
MohammadAGmce sends signals when the screen is "locked" and "off"18:21
MohammadAGlocked is lockscreen display, off, is, well, off18:21
MohammadAGif the screen is off the device is probably locked18:21
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ZogG_laptopor it's off :)18:22
ZogG_laptopdevice may be off :)18:22
ZogG_laptopVenemo_N9: hey18:22
Venemo_N9what's up?18:23
ZogG_laptopshitty like always :)18:23
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ZogG_laptopmacmaN: hey19:58
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louisdkHi. I've a lot kept back updates when running apt-get update on my phone. Will runnig dist-upgrade and installing the updates make my N950 unflashable?19:58
ZogG_laptopdist-upgrade is a baaaad idea20:01
ZogG_laptopthough i did it on n920:01
louisdkZogG_laptop: And what happened?20:02
ZogG_laptopit was ore than that20:03
ZogG_laptopas i switched from 005 to 00120:03
ZogG_laptopby switching repo20:04
ZogG_laptopand unsinstalling meta20:04
ZogG_laptopand updating20:04
ZogG_laptopand fixing all conflicts20:05
ZogG_laptopas there were 005 vs 001 :P20:05
ZogG_laptopphone hardly worked all i had was terminal20:06
ZogG_laptopand it took a lot of time20:06
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louisdkWhere's the output when running apt-get dist-upgrade on my N950: I'm afraid to install them.  Don't want my N950 to end up like a brick or be unflashable.20:15
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arceanlouisdk, just flash PR 1.3 :)20:24
louisdkarcean: The only Pr1.3 available for N950 is a leaked version from Pirate Bay.20:28
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arceanbut it works, and it's much much better than 1.2 beta20:29
louisdkarcea: have you tried it on your N950?20:34
arceanmy n950 is running pr 1.3 since 2 months :)20:36
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louisdkarcean: Can I still flsh with PR1.2 beta from Nokia if PR1.3 upgrade goes wrong.20:42
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arceanprobably not20:46
ZogG_laptopdon't think so20:47
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arceanlouisdk, dist-upgrade will also upgrade cmt firmware21:03
arceanand you don't want this, if you're thinking about returning to pr1.2 beta one day21:04
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louisdkarcean: Thanks for letting me know. I'm on Ubuntu 64-bit. Should I just chmod +x and then running it like sudo ./scriptfile.bin ?21:12
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louisdkIarcean: Thanks for letting me know. I'm on Ubuntu 64-bit. Should I just chmod +x scriptfile.bin and then running it like sudo ./scriptfile.bin ?21:19
arceanmost probably, depends on what you're trying to achieve :)21:20
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louisdkarcean: Trying to flash it. But I get this error:
arceanahh, you're doing it wrong (TM) gimme sec21:23
arceanlouisdk, start reading from "BACK UP YOUR DATA" paragraph21:25
louisdkAhh. Thx21:26
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ZogG_laptoplouisdk: how did u get n950?21:41
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ieatlinthuh, i didn't hear that a pr1.3 leaked for the n95021:42
djszapi_actually the ui guideline is quite correct for blackberry.21:44
befordI couldnt get the bb10 sdk  working21:45
beforddidn't try to hard though :p21:45
befordwhenever I created an example the qml editor failed "module rim.cascades not installed"21:45
djszapi_that sounds obvious21:46
befordRIM's fault21:46
djszapi_you did not have the library in place where needed.21:46
ieatlinthow good is cascades? i've heard mostly positive things21:47
djszapi_not too bad21:48
befordis it qt4 or qt5?21:48
ieatlintsimilar to qml from what i understand, but with opengl es scenegraph base21:49
befordso it could be possible to get those components running on harmattan? :P21:49
ieatlinti certainly don't know enough, but i'd generally say no.. and unless you were after the components yourself, you'd probably have an easier time pursuing qt5 and qtquick2 with its scenegraph base21:51
djszapi_works with qt5, too21:53
djszapi_no, the components are closed21:53
djszapi_so most likely it is impossible in case of any issues21:54
djszapi_which is most likely the case.21:54
djszapi_to get those work and run on Harmattan.21:54
louisdkZogG_laptop: A good friend of mine was a Nokia Developer ;)21:54
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ieatlintemphasis on the "was" :(21:56
ZogG_laptoplouisdk: linux is fun :) i started with gentoo, try to set it as dualboot, you can learn a lot.21:59
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ZogG_laptopnot just for n95021:59
ieatlintyeah, i wouldn't necessarily recommend gentoo as a first one though :P22:00
louisdkZogG_laptop: Maybe one day I will. I've used arch and freebsd but now i'm on Ubuntu.. lazyness ;)22:00
ZogG_laptoplouisdk: it's ruining my linux22:01
ZogG_laptoplinux now is explored like a whore for use af all corporations for money22:01
ZogG_laptopwindows era of monopoly going down22:01
ZogG_laptopand with popularity comes a lot of dirt22:01
befordtoo bad the components are closed, they looked nice and I wanted some of that on top of the n922:02
djszapi_what is wrong about the harmattan components wrt this?22:06
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djszapi_rZr: it would be nice, if I could become a maintainer in testing and unstable as well...22:17
djszapi_otherwise there is lots of communication overhead...22:17
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befordnothing wrong with harmattan22:24
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Lava_Croftpeople have been saying that the era of window monopoly is over for about 10years now23:55
Lava_CroftIts almost as boring as the year of the linux desktop23:55
Lava_Croftand just as irrelevant23:55
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