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| rashm2k | how do I cast back to the actual class once I do QVariant::fromValue(xxxxx) | 00:13 |
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| djszapi_ | rashm2k: toFoobar | 00:15 |
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| djszapi_ | or just simply qvariant_cast | 00:16 |
| djszapi_ | or just simply the templatized .value<Foobar>() | 00:17 |
| djszapi_ | there are a couple of ways. ;) | 00:17 |
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| rashm2k | .value<Foobar>() does not work | 00:27 |
| rashm2k | no matching function call to value | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | well you need to call that on a QVariant instance for sure. | 00:30 |
| djszapi_ | so .value<Foobar>() is a syntax error | 00:30 |
| djszapi_ | you need to use: | 00:30 |
| djszapi_ | QVariant myVariant; | 00:31 |
| djszapi_ | int i = myVariant.value<int>(); // For instance | 00:31 |
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| rashm2k | FYI exposing a QList<Object*> to a ListView will cause issues!!!!!! | 00:43 |
| rashm2k | always use QVariant::fromValue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 00:43 |
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| djszapi_ | rashm2k: I would recommend not to do so. | 00:49 |
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| rashm2k | thats what the example shows on the page | 00:58 |
| rashm2k | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/declarative-modelviews-objectlistmodel-main-cpp.html | 00:58 |
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| rashm2k | what does unsupported dbus type 0 mean? | 01:18 |
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| rzr | hi M4rtinK | 03:07 |
| rzr | got some gtk's times for upcoming week | 03:07 |
| rzr | M4rtinK, remind me your gitorious id | 03:08 |
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| M4rtinK | rzr: looks like the gitorious id is martink (https://gitorious.org/~martink) | 03:53 |
| M4rtinK | rzr: I'm mostly using the (evil and not open source :) ) Github at the moment :) | 03:54 |
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| rzr | M4rtinK, added u . please also bookmark http://rzr.online.fr/q/gtk | 04:05 |
| rzr | M4rtinK, and let me add you to shared repo unstable branch if you want to work on gtk | 04:05 |
| M4rtinK | rzr: ok :) | 04:07 |
| rzr | M4rtinK, any idea for https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=librsvg2&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Aunstable&repository=harmattan | 04:08 |
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| M4rtinK | rzr: looks like it can't find GTK | 04:19 |
| rzr | apparently | 04:22 |
| M4rtinK | rzr: I remember there were some errors with -dev packages for GTK - this might be related | 04:22 |
| rzr | well i wont have a look at it soon | 04:22 |
| rzr | gtk rely on you now :) | 04:22 |
| M4rtinK | rzr: well, I'm really overloaded right now :) | 04:22 |
| rzr | take your time | 04:23 |
| M4rtinK | so no promises :) | 04:23 |
| rzr | good luck | 04:23 |
| M4rtinK | hh, thanks :) | 04:23 |
| rzr | u welcome | 04:23 |
| rzr | but we moved one step | 04:23 |
| rzr | now it is building | 04:23 |
| M4rtinK | btw, any changes you did on the packages I should know about ? :) | 04:23 |
| M4rtinK | nice - or they just finally fixed something in COBS :) | 04:24 |
| rzr | there is a side effect with some other package i havent figured out | 04:24 |
| rzr | my changes are very minor | 04:24 |
| rzr | i tagged to maemo version so easy diff | 04:24 |
| rzr | M4rtinK, https://maemo.gitorious.org/+harmattan/hildon/gtk-rzr/blobs/user-rzr/debian/changelog | 04:25 |
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| M4rtinK | rzr: ok, thanks :) | 04:29 |
| M4rtinK | rzr: time to hit the deck - good night ! :) | 04:29 |
| rzr | gnite | 04:31 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | http://imgur.com/a/pGZG6 some shots of the philadelphia skyline from the top floor of the comcast center, the tallest bulding in the city | 05:40 |
| Sazpaimon_ | youre not allowed past the lobby unless you work there or know someone (i knew someone that works at the 55th floor) | 05:41 |
| ieatlint | ah, the city of brothery love and setting for an awesome tv show | 05:43 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | yep | 05:45 |
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| niwakame | either pnatd is cocky, or I'm doing something wrong :( | 09:23 |
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| niwakame | anyone tried on using AT commands? | 09:27 |
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| niwakame | jonni: Yeah that basically gives access to some info | 10:09 |
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| niwakame | jonni: But there's no info about the indicator | 10:09 |
| jonni | niwakame: which indicator? | 10:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm wazapp was blocked after all :P | 10:11 |
| niwakame | I'm trying to get the Operator SIM Cipher Indicator | 10:11 |
| niwakame | It basically tells to supress the cipher indicator | 10:11 |
| niwakame | (which isn't present anyways as it seems in N9) | 10:12 |
| jonni | and the question is why are you tring to get it? :) | 10:12 |
| niwakame | You know Netmon for n900? | 10:12 |
| niwakame | Basically a rewrite for N9 | 10:13 |
| niwakame | and this would be a good addition | 10:13 |
| niwakame | So the user knows his operator is supressing the indicator | 10:13 |
| niwakame | It would be even better to get the active cipher suite, but that's closed baseband stuff, I think | 10:14 |
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| jonni | havent used N900 that much lately, but all the same info should be avail afaik. have you looked n900 sources to see how it fetches the date? | 10:15 |
| jonni | data | 10:15 |
| niwakame | Netmon stuff can be done using the QSystemNetworkInfo | 10:15 |
| niwakame | (Except neighbour cells, I think) | 10:16 |
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| niwakame | when I try I get Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied on N9 | 10:20 |
| niwakame | so seems like it's there (neighbour cells) | 10:20 |
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| jonni | well that error comes if you try the commands without right aegis capas. | 10:21 |
| niwakame | Yeah this was commandline anyways... | 10:23 |
| jonni | yep you need the capas in commandline too | 10:23 |
| niwakame | But I can't set them for terminal, right? | 10:24 |
| rzr | hi jonni , can i add u to https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/memberships ? tell me your id | 10:24 |
| jonni | rzr: "rainisto" | 10:25 |
| jonni | niwakame: well you can, if you have right tools ;) | 10:26 |
| rzr | ok done | 10:26 |
| niwakame | incepting, that is, huh? | 10:26 |
| niwakame | well I just could write a proxy application that executes the dbus commands and has aegis manifest | 10:27 |
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| jonni | niwakame: maybe your looking something like this, I've just tested in my N9.... http://pastebin.com/Qga9uimx | 10:31 |
| jonni | it uses dbus to fetch cell neighbors | 10:32 |
| niwakame | jup exactly | 10:33 |
| niwakame | mind to share the dbus command? :) | 10:33 |
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| jonni | its just calls GetNeighbors method, nothing fancy in there. | 10:42 |
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| jonni | actually you can get the same info without using dbus at all | 10:44 |
| jonni | its just more complicated to use isi commands directly | 10:46 |
| niwakame | isi? | 10:46 |
| niwakame | ah ok | 10:47 |
| jonni | niwakame: thats kind of nokia propriatary way to talk to csnet side directly. | 10:48 |
| jonni | or might even be that libcsnet headers are public, havent checked lately | 10:49 |
| jonni | (or libisi.h) | 10:49 |
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| niwakame | At least I can't find any info on that | 10:53 |
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| TheBootroo | how can i use QtMobility Publish&Subscribe to get the Sound volume and the Missed Calls count, on nokia N9 ? | 10:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: about sound volume, isn't it better to use DBus ? | 10:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (just a suggestion, don't know anything about it) | 10:56 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: why not but i can't find which api to call... | 10:56 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: for missed calls neithers | 10:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | gimme a sec | 10:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | for missed calls, you will need specific apis | 10:57 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: it's not exposed on dbus by CSD daemon or Telepathy ? | 10:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I kjust got this, dunno if it is useful qdbus com.nokia.CommHistory /com/nokia/CommHistory | 10:58 |
| djszapi_1 | anybody particularly good at design patterns (OOP)? :) | 10:58 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: where can i find the DBUS def file with methods and signals list ? for com.nokia.CommHistory | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | use qdbus | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is one of the best dbus tool i have ever seen :) | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | entering qdbus gives a list of all interfaces | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qdbus com.nokia.CommHistory gives the list of objects | 11:00 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: can't get it to work on N9, and it won't be really usable since its qwidgets and not meant for mobile | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qdbus com.nokia.CommHistory /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Client/CommHistory gives the list of methods | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, what are you trying to do ? | 11:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you are trying to get info from the N9 and push it to desktop ? | 11:01 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: i found http://iktwo.com/n9-dbus-services-pr1-2/ | 11:01 |
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| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: yes for a client of my company, i have to develop an info tracker for N9 -> PC | 11:02 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: i have almost all i want through QTM, but i lack missed calls count and general sound volume | 11:02 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hm | 11:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | woow :) | 11:03 |
| Venemo_N9 | good morning | 11:03 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | well TheBootroo if you want to write something that is a bridge between a n9 and a pc, be sure to have at least a n9 to test on | 11:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ssh to it and play with qdbus | 11:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | morning Venemo_N9 :) | 11:04 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: i have a N9 | 11:04 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: but how can i use QDbus on ssh ? (ps : so bad, i'm using windows at work) | 11:04 |
| niwakame | jonni: btw TY :) | 11:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | can you SSH on your N9 | 11:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if you can, you are done | 11:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you can use "qdbus" command line | 11:05 |
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| djszapi_1 | Venemo_N9: good morning Sir Venemo_N9. | 11:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: dbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.get_values string:"general" | 11:12 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hi, sir djszapi and djszapi_1 :) | 11:15 |
| Venemo_N9 | how are you today? | 11:15 |
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| djszapi_1 | Venemo_N9: trying to understand the adapter pattern through a Java example. | 11:16 |
| djszapi_1 | Venemo_N9: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adapter_pattern -> I am not getting this part: A further form of runtime Adapter pattern | 11:16 |
| djszapi_1 | Venemo_N9: once, I understand, I will extend the wiki with a C++ example. :-) | 11:17 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: i need a doc like this one i found for bluez http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/bluez/adapter-api.txt | 11:18 |
| Venemo_N9 | djszapi, :) | 11:19 |
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| Venemo_N9 | djszapi, that is a very simple thing | 11:20 |
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| rzr | Venemo_N9: dont u understand http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/ObjectAdapter.png/300px-ObjectAdapter.png ? | 11:53 |
| rzr | this pattern is a bit like function overload but with manual forward ... | 11:54 |
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| djszapi_ | rzr: read my sentence carefully. | 12:02 |
| djszapi_ | my problem was not with the image you pasted. | 12:02 |
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| djszapi_ | now I got that | 12:14 |
| djszapi_ | first case: factory second case: adapter + factory (more complex, should not be on that wikipage imo). | 12:14 |
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| rzr | djszapi_: ok | 12:14 |
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| whatsa | hey, who knows when did N950 PR1.3 leak? | 13:10 |
| whatsa | today or earlier? | 13:10 |
| faenil | not today afaik | 13:11 |
| Arkenoi | earlier | 13:11 |
| Arkenoi | btw i am seeding if anyone is still interested | 13:11 |
| faenil | but I did not follow the event... | 13:11 |
| faenil | does that mean we can flash 1.3 on n950? | 13:11 |
| faenil | bbl | 13:12 |
| Arkenoi | yes, but i did not try yet, my n950 is at Nokia for repair | 13:12 |
| Arkenoi | i also asked if they have newer firmware, will see | 13:12 |
| Summeli | Arkenoi: how did you get that into repair? | 13:12 |
| Arkenoi | asked politely | 13:12 |
| Summeli | I have broken LCD screen :( | 13:12 |
| Arkenoi | mine too | 13:12 |
| Summeli | who did you ask for it? | 13:12 |
| Summeli | I should also try to get mine fixed :) | 13:13 |
| Arkenoi | local guys, they just have broken n950 with good screen by accident | 13:13 |
| Summeli | ok | 13:13 |
| Arkenoi | so i am lucky with that | 13:13 |
| Arkenoi | Summeli, what happened with your screen? | 13:13 |
| Summeli | I'm not sure | 13:13 |
| Arkenoi | mine had rotten | 13:14 |
| Summeli | maybe it got bit by cold | 13:14 |
| Summeli | it just has quite many black pixels | 13:14 |
| Arkenoi | black stripes started to appear where mechanical connectors are on the reverse side | 13:14 |
| Arkenoi | and then it did grow | 13:15 |
| Summeli | yeah, black stripes | 13:15 |
| Summeli | but they are not filling the whole screen | 13:15 |
| Arkenoi | Summeli, same position? | 13:15 |
| Arkenoi | yes | 13:15 |
| Arkenoi | they did not but quite annoying still | 13:15 |
| Summeli | It's kind like big spot | 13:15 |
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| chem|st | is rsync 3.0.9-1ubuntu1.0~rzr1 save to istall? | 14:23 |
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| djszapi | jreznik: wow, thanks for the dancing house link :-) | 14:32 |
| jreznik | djszapi: :) | 14:33 |
| mgedmin | chem|st, I've installed rzr's rsync on my n9, it didn't explode or anything | 14:34 |
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| chem|st | mgedmin: yeah syncing... ;) | 14:35 |
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| chem|st | I love fast internet | 14:36 |
| chem|st | and now I may setup backup with profilematic... hope that doesn't explode in my face... | 14:37 |
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| rzr | mgedmin: wanna test unison | 15:02 |
| rzr | i just rebuilt it | 15:02 |
| mgedmin | never used unison, don't have time to learn it now | 15:02 |
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| rzr | any one ? | 15:03 |
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| jreznik | hmm, I hit a problem with mfe sync... as in PR 1.3 client certificates works finally, I asked for one, got one - but now - no plain text messages are shown in Fenix... only HTML... checking activesync logs and seems like the message is correctly downloaded... any hint where should I take a look? | 15:10 |
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| djszapi | rzr: can you package the arm ar for the time being? | 15:13 |
| djszapi | to workaround the Qt5 build issue? | 15:13 |
| djszapi | quite messy workaround, I know, but still. :) | 15:16 |
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| chem|st | rzr: cli or gui? | 15:20 |
| khertan | how can i know which libs are available in ovi store repository ? qa team say that install file, after looking at apps, look like python-gconf isn't in their repositories | 15:20 |
| djszapi | khertan: it is from the apps "repository" | 15:20 |
| khertan | djszapi, thx ... it s in the app repository | 15:21 |
| khertan | arf | 15:21 |
| khertan | nokia qa ... grrr | 15:21 |
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| sledges | just received facebook app update on N9: 1.4.0-1+0m7 - wonder if they fixed those annoying image-not-showing-up or cant-click/view-images-posted-by-a-group/page bugs | 15:30 |
| chem|st | sledges: I'd love to have my mobileuploads folder back in use... | 15:31 |
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| tomyri | it would also be nice to see comments on event page | 15:39 |
| djszapi | is apps4meego also more or less unmaintained or just the Harmattan target on c-obs? | 15:39 |
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| sledges | apparently none of the annoying bugs were addressed in a 1.3.2 -> 1.4.0 version bump! chem|st tomyri :| | 15:44 |
| tomyri | suprise | 15:45 |
| sledges | looks like I will more and more end up using the browser, which is improving (and it's only thanks to facebook guys finding ways how to achieve good web UI on a low-end browser like Nokia's) | 15:45 |
| sledges | hence -- it's not the web browser that it improving :D | 15:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Does anybody remember that Jolla picture with the dinghy of MeeGons paddling away from Nokia's burning platforms? | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looked a lot like this: http://nokiagadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/jolla_meego_saving.jpg | 16:03 |
| rzr | i have that one | 16:04 |
| rzr | linked at | 16:04 |
| rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/mer | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 404 | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | only in opera | 16:06 |
| rzr | ? | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | rzr, I don't see it under the Jolla links. | 16:07 |
| Wnt | do you mean this http://h12.abload.de/img/rescuehauaw.png | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | at bottom of very page | 16:07 |
| rzr | bottom of the page | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wnt, ah, bingo! | 16:07 |
| Wnt | (it was on rzr's page) | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nice | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't see it on the page I've got loaded here. | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Evidently it doesn't like WebKit. | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't like opera too | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | "not reachable from this server" on opera | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | World's most unsearchable image. Thanks, rzr. | 16:10 |
| rzr | well opera is not opensource you cant fix it :) | 16:10 |
| rzr | GeneralAntilles: btw do u have a gitourious id ? | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | rzr, if I do, it's generalantilles. | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't recall off-hand, though. | 16:11 |
| rzr | let me ad u | 16:11 |
| rzr | https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/memberships | 16:11 |
| faenil | so did anyone flash leaked 1.3 on n950? | 16:14 |
| rzr | not me | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I stopped flashing anything to N950 when I had to learn you can't rollback/downgrade | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so I guess my N950 is the only one in this universe still running original firmware it shipped with | 16:17 |
| rzr | this is a good idea | 16:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer51, lol, but what's the point? | 16:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer51, mine was shiped with pre-1.0 btw :P | 16:20 |
| rzr | btw are there known hacks to force downgrade ? | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | none | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | afaik | 16:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | what deos prevent? | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | version check in bootloader | 16:22 |
| rzr | some if to byepass somewhere | 16:22 |
| * Arkenoi uses my old n900 while n950 is being repaired.. it sloooow, but browser starts almost instantly on click -- unlike n950 | 16:22 | |
| djszapi | rzr: there are. | 16:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | ad what if i just change the version? | 16:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean i''ll force it to think it's 1.4 | 16:22 |
| djszapi | but 1) I would not like to talk about such things 2) I believe those things were addressed in the stable releases lately. | 16:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | Arkenoi, i loved n900 browser, but one thing both are missing are tabs | 16:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr, my rpi got to israel today :P hopefully would get it till weekend | 16:25 |
| rzr | cool | 16:25 |
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| ZogG_laptop | arcean, sup :P | 16:26 |
| rzr | is any of you booting nemo on 950 ? | 16:28 |
| djszapi | rzr: faenil maybe? | 16:28 |
| Lava_Croft | heh | 16:29 |
| faenil | rzr, me | 16:29 |
| Lava_Croft | update for N9 stock FB client | 16:29 |
| rzr | faenil: i plan to use it soon but what are the major issue so far ? i guess nokia maps will be unsupported right ? | 16:30 |
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| djszapi | rzr: browser is also unmaintained. | 16:32 |
| djszapi | there are tons of applications not created ever yet. | 16:32 |
| faenil | rzr, it's not ready for everyday use | 16:32 |
| rzr | i saw there are mozilla binaries for mer | 16:32 |
| djszapi | you mean for arm? | 16:33 |
| rzr | yes | 16:33 |
| rzr | i have to double check | 16:33 |
| djszapi | that is not quite mer specific. | 16:33 |
| jonni | rzr: I have dual boot to nemo setup on one of my n950's, but usually I boot it to harmattan side. | 16:33 |
| djszapi | you would most likely use the same arm on Harmattan as well. | 16:33 |
| rzr | i may try to rebuild/port harmattan's deb to rpm some day | 16:33 |
| djszapi | just like with Java, I presume. | 16:33 |
| rzr | jonni: i am wondering what's next deb based mobile distro ? | 16:34 |
| rzr | in the hope all i've done for harmattan will not be lost forveer :) | 16:35 |
| jonni | harmattan will live forever ;) | 16:35 |
| faenil | rzr, nemo has rpm | 16:36 |
| faenil | oh ok misread sorry | 16:36 |
| jonni | rzr: well, iPhone (Cydia) uses .deb files ;) | 16:37 |
| jonni | so answer would be iPhone and Ipod :) | 16:37 |
| djszapi | do we have an rpi on the c-obs? | 16:37 |
| djszapi | or any another OBS instance? | 16:38 |
| djszapi | rpi target, that. | 16:38 |
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| djszapi | rzr: you can continue with debian on the raspberry pi. | 16:38 |
| djszapi | or eventually on any ubuntu-arm... | 16:38 |
| djszapi | pandaboard, beagleboard, pandaboard es, what not. | 16:39 |
| rzr | i dont think i will put the rpi in my front pocket | 16:39 |
| jonni | rpiPhone :) | 16:39 |
| djszapi | thing is, you could actually. | 16:39 |
| djszapi | it is very cheap and small. | 16:39 |
| Wnt | rpiPhone would be pretty funny project | 16:40 |
| jonni | heh, if we ever will receive rpi, the free one hasnt even been shipped, and the one which I have ordered has been delayed for 5 months already. | 16:41 |
| djszapi | rpiPhone would probably be an issue for Apple in fact. | 16:41 |
| djszapi | jonni: normal | 16:41 |
| djszapi | do not feel alone :-) | 16:41 |
| djszapi | many went down that way. | 16:41 |
| jonni | we will get it in 2013, and by that time rpi2 has been released :) | 16:42 |
| djszapi | I do not know what to do with the raspberry pi :) | 16:43 |
| djszapi | probably not much | 16:43 |
| djszapi | apart from testing projects on arm simply. | 16:43 |
| djszapi | like QtSerialPort, QtAudio3D, kdelibs, etc I work on. | 16:43 |
| jonni | just for media player for tv | 16:43 |
| djszapi | I will not build a system around the board to be able to write an application. | 16:43 |
| djszapi | too much work | 16:44 |
| djszapi | I have platforms where I can write applications right away. | 16:44 |
| rzr | wp7 | 16:44 |
| rzr | :) | 16:44 |
| djszapi | with bigger userbase. | 16:44 |
| djszapi | so I can get more money out of that. | 16:44 |
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| rzr | anyway i feel the harmattan community is not really affected by the fact it is doomed :) | 16:45 |
| djszapi | what is doomed? | 16:45 |
| rzr | the burning platforms | 16:46 |
| djszapi | I do not know what could currently kick Harmattan off. | 16:46 |
| djszapi | it has been a while after the dead announcement. | 16:47 |
| djszapi | and it is still here, still works nice. | 16:47 |
| djszapi | cannot mention any platform this year, or even in the beginning of next year, kicking this off. | 16:47 |
| djszapi | for Qt developers, that. | 16:47 |
| rzr | i am curious how what it will be in upcoming years | 16:48 |
| rzr | probally less active that n900 scene | 16:48 |
| djszapi | hopefully RIM succeeds. | 16:48 |
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| djszapi | with their Qt empowered platform. | 16:48 |
| rzr | if they release bbx devices | 16:49 |
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| rzr | else no way | 16:49 |
| djszapi | that is what "succeeds" means./ | 16:49 |
| rzr | i didnt even manage to use the sdk sim | 16:49 |
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| djszapiN9 | Qt is much more advanced on BB than Android. | 16:52 |
| djszapiN9 | It is also officially supported there, and not maintained by 2-3 hobbyists. | 16:52 |
| rzr | definitly | 16:53 |
| rzr | well this could change... | 16:53 |
| Lava_Croft | RIM is awful | 16:53 |
| rzr | will wp8+ a decent target for qt too ? | 16:53 |
| Lava_Croft | they advertise to use 2 different display resolutions for BBX apps | 16:53 |
| Lava_Croft | but apparently their own device doesnt use any of those | 16:53 |
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| djszapiN9 | rzr w8 does not use opengl es in the first place. | 16:54 |
| rzr | confirmed ? | 16:54 |
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| djszapiN9 | they have some diret3d mobile api. | 16:54 |
| djszapiN9 | that is one reason I think they will not suceeed. | 16:54 |
| kevin_b | but they talked about opengl available for w8 x86 | 16:55 |
| kevin_b | so why not arm | 16:55 |
| Lava_Croft | its a new platform for them, its a business decision most likely | 16:56 |
| Lava_Croft | why bother with opengles when you can lock in people to your own directx | 16:56 |
| djszapiN9 | kevin_b, have you ever seen wince? | 16:56 |
| faenil | :'( | 16:56 |
| kevin_b | yea once I guess | 16:56 |
| djszapiN9 | MS is weird when it comes to mobile. | 16:56 |
| kevin_b | haha | 16:56 |
| djszapiN9 | we have this wince support in QtSerialPort | 16:57 |
| kevin_b | I dunno I just heard about a common w8 kernel for arm and x86, that would allow native code | 16:57 |
| kevin_b | so why not | 16:57 |
| djszapiN9 | it is practically a brand new backend | 16:57 |
| djszapiN9 | almost nothing to share with win32. | 16:57 |
| pa | whats the most efficient way to play a looped sound effect in qt (not qml)? | 16:57 |
| pa | like the most cpu-friendly way | 16:58 |
| kevin_b | openal? | 16:58 |
| djszapiN9 | openal is an overkill for 2d audio | 16:58 |
| pa | kevin_b, i actually need a simple bip | 16:58 |
| djszapiN9 | pa why not qml? | 16:59 |
| pa | well, coz my logic is in qt, and coz i want to be able to regulate the frequency | 16:59 |
| pa | (of the loop) | 17:00 |
| djszapiN9 | QtMultiMedia or Phonon is your friend. | 17:00 |
| pa | and apparently soundeffect in qml does not let me specify how frequently | 17:00 |
| pa | ah ok thanks | 17:00 |
| djszapiN9 | well you can use the backend. | 17:01 |
| flux | hmm, does phonon do looping natively? if not, it might not be the best option | 17:01 |
| djszapiN9 | where this can all be set. | 17:01 |
| flux | but QtMultimedia is the step below it, should do that with relative ease | 17:01 |
| djszapiN9 | flux, no | 17:01 |
| djszapiN9 | flux, but phonon backends do | 17:01 |
| flux | and then there's pa_simple :) | 17:02 |
| djszapiN9 | so yes. | 17:02 |
| rzr | btw i built qt-gstreamer | 17:06 |
| pa | what about QSound? | 17:07 |
| djszapi | do not use it | 17:07 |
| pa | is it deprecated/sycucks? | 17:07 |
| djszapi | it is dropped in Qt. | 17:07 |
| pa | ah | 17:07 |
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| pa | you mean Qt5? | 17:07 |
| djszapi | yes for a good reason. | 17:07 |
| pa | ah.. which is? | 17:07 |
| djszapi | READ THE MAILING LIST | 17:08 |
| djszapi | oopsie, sorry :) | 17:08 |
| pa | =) | 17:08 |
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| djszapi | http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2011-November/000573.html | 17:08 |
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| pa | djszapi, i agree with those who said it shouldnt have been dropped. rather reimplemented to use qtmultimedia behind the scene.. | 17:11 |
| pa | after all it doesnt seem an overly complicated interface | 17:11 |
| djszapi | it does not matter what you think :) | 17:11 |
| pa | i know | 17:11 |
| djszapi | or what I think. | 17:13 |
| pa | different question: do you think it's more efficient to have a short beep, and to have a qtimer that invoke the player for every single beep, or to have a recorded short loop, and have fewer invokations to the play slot ? | 17:14 |
| chem|st | does anyone have a quick inception guide at hand? website seems down | 17:15 |
| rzr | tmo | 17:16 |
| rzr | i am wondering where truck is ? | 17:16 |
| chem|st | rzr: is 0.2.5 in community repo fine? | 17:17 |
| chem|st | thread in tmo had no update since 07/22 | 17:17 |
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| rzr | donno i use open kernel | 17:17 |
| rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=59809# Last Activity: 13th Aug 2012 22:23 | 17:18 |
| chem|st | vacation it seems | 17:18 |
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| rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1257240#post1257240 | 17:20 |
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| chem|st | rzr: incepted -> unrestricted-sysui -> happy! | 18:15 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG: good job there! apart of orientation lock toogle all seem fine! (that is locking anytime for me and does not release the lock) | 18:17 |
| rzr | congratz | 18:21 |
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| MohammadAG | chem|st: Tap and hold | 18:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, sup | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | Nm | 18:24 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: to deactivate?! | 18:26 |
| chem|st | was looking for instructions... | 18:26 |
| beford | hi | 18:27 |
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| MohammadAG | chem|st: Yes, to auto oriebt | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | Orient | 18:27 |
| chem|st | kk | 18:28 |
| chem|st | 10q | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | 10 quid? Thanks! | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | (i know, jk) | 18:28 |
| Elleo | 2/8 | 18:31 |
| Elleo | oops | 18:31 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: how do I sort mt-toggle's items? | 18:31 |
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| MohammadAG | chem|st: You can't, not yet at least | 18:34 |
| chem|st | ok | 18:34 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, can't u sort by names? | 18:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, my RPI at Lod already :P | 18:48 |
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| sledges | have a good evening everyone! | 19:24 |
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| rzr | hi sledges still hacking on s103t ? | 19:45 |
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| djszapiN9 | anybody using openal on Harmattan? | 21:09 |
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| djszapi | does anybody know if c-obs uses scratchbox 1 for the Harmattan target to build packages? | 21:39 |
| djszapi | jonni: you always know everything :) You should know ;) ^ | 21:39 |
| jonni | heh, dont know anything about c-obs, but I would assume that it would use. | 21:41 |
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| djszapi | jonni: is it normal to build with the gnueabi linux g++ stuff? | 21:44 |
| djszapi | I mean for Qt5. | 21:44 |
| djszapi | wouldn't this be unneccesary inside scratchbox in the first place? | 21:44 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=openal-soft&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard -> openal-soft for one, builds with /usr/bin/gcc | 21:44 |
| djszapi | I am having the impression the gnueabi linux g++ stuff is forced by the maemo mkspecs when I pass -platform maemo... | 21:44 |
| djszapi | I just really do not see the point of cross-compilation inside scratchbox | 21:45 |
| djszapi | that is the purpose of that, it does not need to be cross-compiled. | 21:45 |
| djszapi | I really do not know. | 21:45 |
| djszapi | # modifications to linux.conf | 21:46 |
| the-boss` | djszapi: Error: "modifications" is not a valid command. | 21:46 |
| djszapi | QMAKE_AR = arm-linux-gnueabi-ar cqs | 21:46 |
| djszapi | yeah, this stuff forces that. | 21:46 |
| djszapi | but if I do not pass the -platform maemo, then the conditions inside the qmake build system does not match.. | 21:47 |
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| djszapi | quassel2go is not built with the arm toolchain either | 21:53 |
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| djszapi | I believe, this would only be needed when you have two targets in scratchbox, like x86 and arm | 21:53 |
| djszapi | and you would like to build for arm inside the x86 | 21:53 |
| djszapi | means, I do not think -platform maemo needs to be passed | 21:53 |
| djszapi | means, I may get qtbase working tonight. | 21:53 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lol | 22:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | first wp8 smartphone is even not from nokia | 22:13 |
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| rzr | ZogG_laptop, not good for samsung | 22:31 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, not good for samsung's tizen | 22:31 |
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| djszapi_ | rzr: do you know how to simply add a patch on top of qt5-base? | 22:40 |
| djszapi_ | I mean into the debian folder with quilt. | 22:40 |
| rzr | just add it in debian/patches/ | 22:40 |
| djszapi_ | how? | 22:40 |
| rzr | and add it in debian/patches/series | 22:40 |
| djszapi_ | isn't there a debhelper for this? | 22:40 |
| rzr | i use git-build-package | 22:40 |
| djszapi_ | it has nothing to do with git. | 22:40 |
| rzr | where did you grab the qt5 sources | 22:41 |
| rzr | ? | 22:41 |
| djszapi_ | it does not matter | 22:41 |
| rzr | plz cat debian/source/format | 22:41 |
| djszapi_ | I do not package from git. | 22:41 |
| rzr | i do | 22:41 |
| djszapi_ | I would packge dummy .git stuff that way | 22:42 |
| djszapi_ | and that is a complete no go. | 22:42 |
| djszapi_ | git archive --format=tar --prefix=qt5-base/ master | bzip2 -9 > qt5-base_5.0.0~20120829.orig.tar.bz2 | 22:42 |
| djszapi_ | the format is the usual "3.0 (quilt)". | 22:42 |
| djszapi_ | I would like to unpack the tarball | 22:42 |
| djszapi_ | I would like to modify the stuff | 22:42 |
| djszapi_ | and I would like to invoke a deb helper which generates the patch for me | 22:43 |
| djszapi_ | behind the scene | 22:43 |
| rzr | is debian in in the git tree ? | 22:43 |
| djszapi_ | I would not even like to know where it is generated. | 22:43 |
| djszapi_ | no | 22:43 |
| djszapi_ | forget git | 22:43 |
| djszapi_ | a software can come from anywhere | 22:43 |
| djszapi_ | I need a generic deb helper for this | 22:43 |
| djszapi_ | to generate the debian patches after the manual modifications. | 22:43 |
| djszapi_ | I recall there was a tool for this | 22:44 |
| rzr | dpkg-source -commit | 22:44 |
| djszapi_ | but I do not recall the command exactly. | 22:44 |
| djszapi_ | ah, yes, that may be | 22:44 |
| djszapi_ | does not work | 22:45 |
| djszapi_ | you meant --commit, I presume, but still | 22:45 |
| djszapi_ | dpkg-source: need -x or -b | 22:46 |
| djszapi_ | I need -b, I presume | 22:46 |
| djszapi_ | ok, I do not know | 22:47 |
| djszapi_ | I need a deb helper command which can generate the patch for the debian folder behind the scenes. | 22:47 |
| djszapi_ | since it is the same work for each packagers patching the upstream software. | 22:47 |
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| rzr | dpkg-source -i -I --include-binaries -isession --auto-commit --before-build | 22:48 |
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| djszapi_ | why would one need more than a binary or a generic binary with one option for this? | 22:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr, i don't like samsung anyway | 23:00 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: that command asserts the help output | 23:01 |
| rzr | man man | 23:03 |
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| djszapi_ | I really dislike the whole patching ceremony for debian packaging | 23:08 |
| djszapi_ | it is overly complicated. | 23:09 |
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| rashm2k | in a c++ switch statement can i have case( xxxx || xxxx || xxxx)????? | 23:09 |
| djszapi_ | that does not make too much sense | 23:10 |
| djszapi_ | you know? | 23:10 |
| djszapi_ | you can, but really makes no sense | 23:11 |
| djszapi_ | people usually leave the break; out and they chain the cases on separate lines | 23:11 |
| djszapi_ | although certain code analyzers will assert. | 23:11 |
| piggz | rashm2k: you can, but you write; | 23:12 |
| piggz | case 1: | 23:12 |
| piggz | case 2: | 23:12 |
| piggz | case 3: | 23:12 |
| piggz | break; | 23:12 |
| rashm2k | I'll still need another case statement inside so I don't think it's worth it | 23:13 |
| rashm2k | it was more to reduce code duplication | 23:13 |
| djszapi_ | also, you can really test such simple things | 23:13 |
| djszapi_ | when I say, you can, it means you can chain them in your mind | 23:13 |
| djszapi_ | and write the final calculation after the case state | 23:13 |
| djszapi_ | but that does not make too much sense due to its implicit meaning | 23:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | rashm2k, what you need it for? | 23:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's hard to say what to use whiout whole picture | 23:14 |
| rashm2k | a few functions all check if something is null before they can proceed | 23:15 |
| rashm2k | meant a few case statements all check if something is null | 23:15 |
| rashm2k | if the top level root element is null | 23:16 |
| rashm2k | if not they can proceed | 23:16 |
| rashm2k | thus i have isXXXXNil in quite a few statements which I wanted to reduce | 23:16 |
| djszapi_ | you need to have an integer for the case statement either way | 23:16 |
| djszapi_ | you are doing it wrong | 23:18 |
| djszapi_ | echo "int main() { int i = 0; int j = 1; int k = 2; switch (i) { case (j||0): break; default: break; } return 0;}" > main.c && gcc main.c | 23:19 |
| djszapi_ | few seconds to write a simple test case | 23:20 |
| djszapi_ | if you do not wish to look up the standard. | 23:20 |
| djszapi_ | but generally speaking, you are doing it wrong. | 23:20 |
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| djszapi_ | anybody knowing how to generate debian patches out of the box from local modification? | 23:24 |
| rzr | debuild -S will generate the patch afaik | 23:26 |
| djszapi_ | there is no debuild in scratchbox | 23:27 |
| djszapi_ | http://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt | 23:28 |
| rzr | apt-get install devscripts | 23:28 |
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| * djszapi_ hates the debian packaging when it comes to patching | 23:37 | |
| djszapi_ | I have spent one hour with a one liner patch, and still no clue | 23:38 |
| djszapi_ | this is utterly suboptimal for each packager needing any patching. | 23:38 |
| djszapi_ | dislikes* | 23:39 |
| rzr | i dont see the problem | 23:39 |
| djszapi_ | then why don't you help? | 23:39 |
| rzr | is your tree in scm / | 23:39 |
| djszapi_ | like I said many times: No. | 23:39 |
| djszapi_ | debian packaging has really nothing to do with vcs. | 23:39 |
| djszapi_ | orange and apple. | 23:40 |
| rzr | show the sources :) | 23:40 |
| djszapi_ | it does not really matter | 23:41 |
| djszapi_ | it is not about the sources | 23:41 |
| djszapi_ | it is about the patching procedure | 23:41 |
| djszapi_ | finally, I figured out the cumbersome process, so sharing for future reference: | 23:42 |
| djszapi_ | quilt new myPatch.diff | 23:42 |
| djszapi_ | quilt add foobar | 23:42 |
| djszapi_ | edit | 23:42 |
| djszapi_ | quilt refresh | 23:42 |
| djszapi_ | quilt pop -a | 23:42 |
| djszapi_ | mv ./patches ./debian/ | 23:42 |
| djszapi_ | 6 steps at least. | 23:42 |
| rzr | u're rinventing the wheel | 23:43 |
| djszapi_ | instead of ideally two: 1) edit 2) run helper | 23:43 |
| djszapi_ | no, that is what the official debian page writes | 23:43 |
| Corsac | the last step could be switch to export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches first :) | 23:43 |
| djszapi_ | yes, but you do not spare any steps with that | 23:43 |
| rzr | one thing to know also is to rm -rf .pc when you're lost | 23:43 |
| djszapi_ | with my idea, you do. | 23:43 |
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| Corsac | but you could just edit your sources in place and let the diff in .diff.gz | 23:44 |
| djszapi_ | with my idea, you would spare 4 steps. | 23:44 |
| djszapi_ | out of the 6. | 23:44 |
| rzr | Corsac, he is using format 3.0 | 23:44 |
| djszapi_ | indeed, .diff.gz is history. | 23:44 |
| Corsac | oh, then fine, just put the patch in debian/patches and series, and you're done | 23:44 |
| djszapi_ | No! | 23:45 |
| djszapi_ | It is not fine at all to run 6 steps instead of two. | 23:45 |
| rzr | are you using iodine ? | 23:45 |
| djszapi_ | or one instead 5. | 23:45 |
| djszapi_ | if I separate the editing. | 23:45 |
| Corsac | well, then do like you want | 23:45 |
| djszapi_ | it is quite unfine. | 23:45 |
| djszapi_ | I really do not believe the debian packagers followed that cumbersome procedure without making any no brainer helper. | 23:47 |
| djszapi_ | if they had done, they are quite inefficient. | 23:47 |
| rzr | :) | 23:47 |
| djszapi_ | and to be honest | 23:48 |
| Corsac | that's because we are disturbed by random trolls on random irc channels :) | 23:48 |
| rzr | that's because we are random | 23:48 |
| djszapi_ | I recall some issues in the past in scratchbox when I modified the unpacked source, and the dpkg-buildpackage output was asserting me to run something like dpkg-source --commit | 23:48 |
| djszapi_ | and that simply managed everything | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | /join #random | 23:49 |
| djszapi_ | this is the very first step I would do, to automate the process. | 23:50 |
| djszapi_ | when facing such issues | 23:50 |
| * rzr is a fan of git-buildpackage | 23:50 | |
| djszapi_ | no way, each packager needs to recall 6 steps instead of two, making patches which are quite often the case. | 23:50 |
| Corsac | yeah, but as we are super-heros, we are able to recall 6 steps and not just 2! | 23:51 |
| djszapi_ | ah yes, certainly, I enjoyed spending more than an hour with it. | 23:51 |
| Corsac | that's because you're not one | 23:51 |
| djszapi_ | I would not have enjoyed to talk to my mother on the phone instead. | 23:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 usually just recalls he made a bashscript for it, but not the name of it | 23:51 | |
| djszapi_ | dpkg should not be silly | 23:52 |
| djszapi_ | if the source is modified, it should automatically run a patch generation, done. | 23:53 |
| djszapi_ | with a dedicated binary, but maximum an option for that. | 23:53 |
| djszapi_ | it is not quite a rocket science to realize. | 23:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 thought make been made for that? | 23:54 | |
| * djszapi_ is blogging about this silly situation | 23:54 | |
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