| djszapi_ | free and open source applications.* | 00:00 |
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| pa | ok so to use qtmobility do i have to start a qapplication? | 00:00 |
| djszapi_ | nothing wrong about that; it is healthy. | 00:00 |
| pa | otherwise this sensors return null stuff | 00:00 |
| djszapi_ | having a comment like "your game is not up to the paid level" is harsh enough. | 00:00 |
| djszapi_ | or "you are extreme with preferring open source and free applications". | 00:00 |
| djszapi_ | prefer* | 00:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: it's not about features, it's about qualities. for example vim is great and free | 00:03 |
| djszapi_ | I see you are in argue mode, so I will you iterate with yourself. :-) | 00:04 |
| djszapi_ | let* | 00:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: it's not about argue | 00:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's dialog and conversation | 00:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | i say what i think and try to respect opposite part. no offense and nothing personal | 00:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think your game is fine and ok. and i respect that it's FOSS and free. and really thank you for that, if you got me wrong. | 00:06 |
| Lava_Croft | damn | 00:07 |
| Lava_Croft | neil armstrong died:< | 00:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | :( | 00:08 |
| djszapi_ | commiseration. | 00:08 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: put it this way: how would you play the classical hangman game on your N9? | 00:08 |
| djszapi_ | if I decide, to ask money for this? | 00:08 |
| djszapi_ | and I close the source? | 00:09 |
| djszapi_ | you would have no any other changes, I could do that. | 00:09 |
| djszapi_ | and if you would like to play the traditional hangman game, I could just make you pay. | 00:09 |
| djszapi_ | since you do not have any alternatives | 00:09 |
| djszapi_ | I could really do that, but I do not. | 00:09 |
| djszapi_ | also, the users left a lot of review liking the quality of the applications, especially the graphics. | 00:10 |
| djszapi_ | reviews* | 00:10 |
| djszapi_ | chances* | 00:10 |
| djszapi_ | this is same for the anagram game. | 00:11 |
| pa | cool it works | 00:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: it's bad example as hangman can help spend time, but it's not the type of games i really like :P | 00:13 |
| djszapi_ | the world is not about you. | 00:13 |
| djszapi_ | I am sure most of the people do not even care about SpeedX either. | 00:13 |
| djszapi_ | or basically many applications like that. | 00:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's true | 00:14 |
| djszapi_ | if someone would like to donate, then donate to KDE, not me. I am not willing to get money out of that work. | 00:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | but it's like comparing monopoly and GTA4 | 00:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | not the same thing. simple as that | 00:15 |
| djszapi_ | and I do not demand the donation. | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's it | 00:15 |
| djszapi_ | it is the same thing. | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | you missing my point | 00:15 |
| djszapi_ | orange and apple... | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | than windows is like linux and macos? | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | and laptop as PC | 00:15 |
| djszapi_ | I would never say to the monopoly developers, "You are not worthy dude". | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | and calculator as ipad? | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's NOT the same leauge | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | i never said it didn't worth | 00:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | it worth it. | 00:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | worths | 00:16 |
| djszapi_ | you would be actually surprised, if you knew more about the application compentation winners about the 50.000 (?) EUR/USD or whatever currency it was | 00:17 |
| djszapi_ | the winner was making a tad simple application | 00:17 |
| djszapi_ | and the winner was not that who put an enormous amount of work into the project | 00:17 |
| djszapi_ | since that stuff was not just that useful for the people. | 00:17 |
| djszapi_ | no matter how much work put into that. | 00:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | you still miss my point | 00:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | and you take it most time personaly so it makes hard to | 00:18 |
| Lava_Croft | The only thing that differs between monopoly and GTA4 is the budget and the fact that monopoly is fun | 00:19 |
| Lava_Croft | thats two things, but im horrible at math | 00:19 |
| djszapi_ | Lava_Croft: are you a native English speaker, if I may ask? | 00:21 |
| Lava_Croft | Nope | 00:21 |
| djszapi_ | k | 00:21 |
| Lava_Croft | I do wonder why you ask! | 00:21 |
| djszapi_ | I am writing this Contributor Device Program. | 00:22 |
| djszapi_ | and as I am not a native speaker, I would need some feedback. :-) | 00:22 |
| Lava_Croft | I an autodidact with English, sadly | 00:22 |
| Lava_Croft | coincidence may be that my brother is a professional translator, he studied english | 00:22 |
| Lava_Croft | but you would have to pay him, and he is having a 2 week vacation atm:) | 00:23 |
| djszapi_ | it is ok | 00:23 |
| Lava_Croft | i learned english from games | 00:24 |
| Lava_Croft | and microsoft, :) | 00:24 |
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| beford | you have seen this a lot of times :P "This program has encountered an unexpected error" | 00:28 |
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| pa | are you aware of some N9 itself icon? | 01:06 |
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| MohammadAG | I learned English from watching cartoons :) | 01:08 |
| pa | :) | 01:09 |
| pa | do you know if it is allowed to have nokia logo in part of an icon? | 01:11 |
| pa | or is it copyright violation? | 01:11 |
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| djszapi_ | hard to say | 01:13 |
| djszapi_ | you would need to read what you can do with their icons | 01:13 |
| djszapi_ | but it is always the safest to avoid risky situations. | 01:13 |
| djszapi_ | and generally recommended. | 01:13 |
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| pa | i see :) | 01:13 |
| pa | well i just wanted the shape of N9 in the icon | 01:14 |
| pa | and i thought the best way to take it is by screenshotting simulator | 01:14 |
| pa | which contains logo | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pa: afaik Nokia is rather picky with their Icons, trademarks etc. | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pa: so while it's probably safe to use a similr icon to the one you mentioned, I'd not use an unaltered screenshot that could be considered copyright violation. Using an almost identical icon you "created yourself" should be safe | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (gimp can do amiazing things to pixmaps ;-D ) | 02:02 |
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| pa | ah i see :) | 02:16 |
| pa | by the way, to make a "live" desktop icon, is it faster to replace the png to which the .desktop points | 02:17 |
| pa | or to replace the .desktop? | 02:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: what cartoons? | 02:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: that was excat point that you can't make games like GTA4 for free. I mean you can make some short one for free you have a lot of you sold already. But not always apps on this level of quality can be developt for free and opensource | 02:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | as most people do FOSS at free time, they do work to get paid | 02:20 |
| pa | or is there any command to tell N9 to refresh icons ? | 02:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | that was my point on argument | 02:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: sudo make me sandwich? | 02:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: reboot i think can do it :P | 02:20 |
| pa | well i was thinking of something faster :) | 02:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't think you can | 02:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | at least it would take more time to find out :P | 02:21 |
| pa | but if i change the icon file, then it works, right? | 02:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | if there is any way :P | 02:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: desktop file? | 02:21 |
| pa | ah that is what i have to change? | 02:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | depends on needs | 02:22 |
| pa | i mean, ipaddr widget changes only the image | 02:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | if you want to change icon as file itself you can switch the icon file. if you wnt to change setting or to use other icon - desktop file. | 02:22 |
| pa | ok great | 02:23 |
| pa | so i try desktop file first :) | 02:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: the calendar as well changes | 02:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: what are you trying to do> | 02:23 |
| pa | i told u :) a toggle for locking screen orientation | 02:24 |
| pa | i mean, now i just have to package it | 02:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | it maybe that instead of icon path there is some script wich generates and return icon. like `ls -l` in bash script would show the list of files | 02:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: why do you want it as icon? | 02:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | i find it less usefull | 02:25 |
| pa | i wonder if symbolic links are good | 02:25 |
| pa | ZogG_laptop, than what? | 02:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | it should be in app as setting, and if not at the system-ui(though full screen app would mess it) | 02:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: it would just eat battery | 02:25 |
| pa | no, i checked | 02:26 |
| pa | it takes 0% | 02:26 |
| pa | (cpu) | 02:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: and you need to minimize app, go to apps screen(as you can be at other screen), scroll to it and launch it? no thanks | 02:26 |
| pa | no | 02:26 |
| pa | app runs in bg | 02:26 |
| pa | you dont see | 02:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: it takes 0% untill you not monitoring wich icon you need :) | 02:27 |
| pa | it works this way: you run it once, it locks the screen to current orientation, and changes the icon | 02:27 |
| pa | you run again, it unlocks | 02:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: app in backgrund will eat you battery even in sleep mode, till you add it too, and than more and more | 02:27 |
| pa | ZogG_laptop, i tell you, i checked with top | 02:27 |
| pa | it stays always 0% cpu | 02:27 |
| pa | but if you dont believe me, ask javispedro | 02:27 |
| pa | he made the locker | 02:27 |
| pa | im just making a toggle for it | 02:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: it may be useful and good, but there are toggles for system-ui | 02:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think it's the place for them | 02:28 |
| pa | yes but i dont want to incept | 02:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | if we had widgets and few desctops it might be different | 02:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | but even in maemo5 it's in system ui | 02:29 |
| pa | i agree it should be there | 02:29 |
| pa | but since i dont want to incept, and still didnt dare to try coderus system ui.. | 02:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: simple like that — no follow updates for harmattan — you can incept :P | 02:29 |
| pa | never say never ,) | 02:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | in matter of facts or aegis free CSSU would come or one based on inception | 02:29 |
| pa | i still hope they fix battery bug | 02:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't see other options :P | 02:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: did you have n900? | 02:30 |
| pa | i find horribly annoying to see the battery level dropping from 20% to 4 | 02:30 |
| pa | nope, im new :) | 02:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: than there woudl be no update, sorry | 02:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | at least not a bug fixes :P | 02:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: dry you battery empy and charge fully one time, it may help. | 02:31 |
| pa | well, it+s not a problem of lasting | 02:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | i know | 02:31 |
| pa | it+s a problem that the level just jumps | 02:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | but it can still solve it | 02:31 |
| pa | then i mean, it lasts 4% for a day maybe | 02:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think i had it once or twice and i had battery problems as well | 02:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | it helped me | 02:31 |
| pa | but you have no way to tell when it will end | 02:31 |
| pa | ZogG_laptop, i almost always dry it empty | 02:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: try to do what said and report if it comes back | 02:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: i mean empty as it doesn't turn on | 02:32 |
| pa | yes | 02:32 |
| pa | that empty :) | 02:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh | 02:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | than just one option, to try to go to nokia nad get new phone. as i see it wasn't reported by a lot of people, so it might be random bug, and by getting new device you can be lucky of not getting it :P | 02:33 |
| pa | well.. i had it on both the n9 i had | 02:34 |
| pa | now one is stolen | 02:34 |
| pa | but it did the same | 02:34 |
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| beford | :/ got robbed ? | 02:35 |
| beford | or the phone just "disappeared" | 02:35 |
| pa | no no, robbed | 02:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: 2 n9's i saw only 3 in my life and 1 of them is mine :P | 02:36 |
| pa | :) | 02:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: robbed like robbed on street? | 02:36 |
| pa | well like it disappeared from the bag on the bus stop | 02:37 |
| beford | ah sucks, well at least you are ok and didn't notice it, a friend got robbed by 3 armed guys here, they took his bag with laptop + kindle :/ | 02:38 |
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| pa | jesus | 02:41 |
| pa | where? | 02:41 |
| beford | Colombia, but on a different city, good thing for him it was work's laptop and it was insured | 02:47 |
| beford | he locked the kindle on amazon's site, so it will probably be blocked if it gets online again | 02:47 |
| pa | ah i see.. that must be scary | 02:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah blocked kindle is scary | 02:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: colombia? did they still hs coke as well? | 02:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 02:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | i was never robbed on street but i was beaten for no reason | 02:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 02:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | just looked at guy when passed and he took it too srs | 02:52 |
| beford | that's good... I suppose | 02:52 |
| beford | lol | 02:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | at the end it was some punk who went after drinking at my classmate house | 02:53 |
| beford | i've never been robbed or beaten :P | 02:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | my classmate's area in city was the best | 02:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | he got his arms and legs broken few times in own neighboorhood | 02:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | lovely kids, what can i say :P | 02:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok i think i should go to sleep soon | 02:54 |
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| beford | night | 02:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | 2~night | 02:58 |
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| ZogG_laptop | beford: wait, you told you have rpi right? | 03:00 |
| beford | not yet | 03:01 |
| beford | I bought it, it hasn't shipped | 03:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh right | 03:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | there are 2 chans here on freenode :P | 03:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: ^ | 03:03 |
| beford | heh I already got some software for it, qtonpi, archlinux, raspbmc and debian :P | 03:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | what are the sizes? | 03:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: i'll go for optimized one it's pifish or something, funtoo and mer/nemo :p | 03:06 |
| beford | they are quite small, around 300mb compressed | 03:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah i wonder of not compressed as i didn't buy SD and thinking to buy one huge for multiboot or few small for each OS | 03:07 |
| beford | most of them are suited for 1 and 2gb SD cards | 03:08 |
| beford | I have a 4gb one should be enough :P | 03:08 |
| beford | http://fishpi.org/ fishpi is something else lol but a nice project anyway | 03:09 |
| beford | unmanned vehicle controlled by a raspberry :P | 03:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: (Raspbian, a Raspberry Pi optimised distro which came out of the community, and which you should already have upgraded to because it’s 40% faster that Squeeze, is a great case in point.) | 03:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | and there is one with fish in it that is fast and optimized too | 03:13 |
| beford | yea that one | 03:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 03:16 |
| beford | i believe qtonpi is built on top of mer | 03:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi | 03:18 |
| pa | once again, what was the aegis file where the credentials for all the apps are stored? | 03:21 |
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| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: sorry? | 03:53 |
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| Lava_Croft | i wonder if i can get a raspberry pi thats powered by my cycling | 09:57 |
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| djszapi_ | Lava_Croft: at least 700 mA. | 10:16 |
| Lava_Croft | hm | 10:16 |
| Lava_Croft | it doesnt have GPS right? | 10:16 |
| djszapi_ | right | 10:16 |
| Lava_Croft | :< | 10:17 |
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| cyrus-n9 | hey guys is there any easy-way to install java on harmattan? | 10:33 |
| djszapi_ | cyrus-n9: have you tried the arm version provided by oracle? | 10:36 |
| vladest | Lava_Croft: but it has usb, right? | 10:38 |
| cyrus-n9 | djszapi, neverheard about it.thnx, ill try | 10:39 |
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| djszapi_ | vladest: yes | 10:40 |
| vladest | djszapi_: so, it may be possible to connect gps to its usb | 10:41 |
| djszapi_ | vladest: perhaps. How much would that consume? | 10:43 |
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| vladest | djszapi_: no idea yet. another option - connect bt dongle and connect to external gps receiver | 10:45 |
| vladest | djszapi_: btw. how to connect qnam finished(QNetworkReply * reply) with qeventloop quit() ? | 10:45 |
| djszapi_ | bt consumes a lot unfortunately. | 10:45 |
| vladest | djszapi_: i've got Object::connect: No such signal QNetworkAccessManager::finished(QNetworkReply * reply) | 10:46 |
| vladest | djszapi_: more than gps? | 10:46 |
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| djszapi_ | vladest: I was asking about gps because I do not know that. | 10:46 |
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| djszapi_ | there is such a signal, so your code may be doing something wrong. | 10:47 |
| vladest | djszapi_: there was a table on ans symbian site, where gps consuming was about 50mA on Nokia phones | 10:47 |
| djszapi_ | http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/4.8/qnetworkaccessmanager.html#finished | 10:48 |
| vladest | but this for chip | 10:48 |
| vladest | djszapi_: code: connect(&manager, SIGNAL(finished(QNetworkReply * reply)), &loop, SLOT(quit())); | 10:48 |
| vladest | oops | 10:48 |
| vladest | reply is not needed | 10:48 |
| vladest | ok. qnam finished() doesnt invoked too | 10:51 |
| djszapi_ | is this inside a Q_OBJECT? | 10:53 |
| djszapi_ | class method, that is. | 10:53 |
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| vladest | djszapi_: yes, sure. as I've said - this code works fine on harmattan and symbian | 10:55 |
| djszapi_ | it should work | 10:55 |
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| djszapi_ | there is definitely such a signal, so that warning cannot occur, if you satisfy the requirements of connecting. | 10:56 |
| vladest | djszapi_: i've fixed the warning | 10:56 |
| vladest | djszapi_: but finished() not fired | 10:57 |
| djszapi_ | have you checked for errors? | 10:57 |
| vladest | djszapi_: how? its neve returns from event.loop() | 10:57 |
| djszapi_ | well, there is an error signal as well. | 10:58 |
| vladest | hmm. will try to quit from loop by timeout and check error | 10:58 |
| djszapi_ | in addition, you could also follow the progress, and so forth. | 10:59 |
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| rzr | djszapi, hi | 11:48 |
| rzr | djszapi, i am thinking about visiting irland soon | 11:48 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: oh? | 11:49 |
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| rzr | djszapi, yes i am considering this for sept 7-20 | 11:50 |
| djszapi_ | I am leaving Ireland on the 21st of September. | 11:50 |
| djszapi_ | to first Italy, and then Switzerland. | 11:50 |
| rzr | is camping suitable at this period ? | 11:51 |
| djszapi_ | make sure you have pounds with you, if you plan to visit Belfast. | 11:51 |
| djszapi_ | my colleague had some difficulties with EUR in there. | 11:51 |
| djszapi_ | there are no seasons in Ireland. XD | 11:52 |
| rzr | weather ? | 11:52 |
| djszapi_ | it is almost always the same, except that the summer is more rainy than the rest. | 11:52 |
| djszapi_ | weather is about 15 C | 11:52 |
| djszapi_ | Unfortunately, I do not much about Dublin. | 11:53 |
| rzr | there are boats to cork | 11:53 |
| rzr | you live in dublin ? | 11:53 |
| djszapi_ | nope | 11:53 |
| rzr | i am wondering who are the other maemoers in this country | 11:54 |
| rzr | did u met them ? | 11:54 |
| djszapi_ | nope | 11:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | ьщктштп | 11:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | djszapi_: where are you going to switzerland ? | 11:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | morning | 11:55 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: hackers are very scarce here | 11:55 |
| djszapi_ | there are local hacker clubs, but it is not something you would hope for. | 11:55 |
| djszapi_ | there are hackers there, but in different areas, almost everybody | 11:56 |
| djszapi_ | you will see one guy soldering, one programming web, one embedded arm etc | 11:56 |
| djszapi_ | so they do not focus there on one topic. | 11:56 |
| djszapi_ | Qt is also a very rare tradition here. | 11:56 |
| djszapi_ | topic* | 11:56 |
| djszapi_ | I was shocked after Helsinki, but that is how it goes anyways. =) | 11:57 |
| rzr | u have to set it all up | 11:58 |
| djszapi_ | it is hard, if there is no interest | 12:00 |
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| djszapi_ | they accepted me to talk about Qt at their meetups, but it would be just one occasion of those. | 12:00 |
| rzr | what about linux groups ? | 12:00 |
| djszapi_ | that is what I was talking about | 12:02 |
| djszapi_ | those are the hacker groups. | 12:02 |
| djszapi_ | but it is really hard to be productive there, if everybody has different interests | 12:02 |
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| djszapi_ | it is more like working together in a place on different topics | 12:02 |
| djszapi_ | so it is more like just a social night | 12:02 |
| djszapi_ | not really collaborative techie meeting. | 12:02 |
| djszapi_ | like aKademy, QtCS, FOSDEM, etc | 12:02 |
| dm8tbr | you are comparing apples and oranges... | 12:03 |
| djszapi_ | not at all | 12:04 |
| djszapi_ | we are very productive at Qt meetups | 12:04 |
| djszapi_ | local meetups, and you cannot be here. | 12:04 |
| djszapi_ | it is more like socializing. | 12:05 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: perhaps, we can hold a qt meetup in Dublin and invite people :-) | 12:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | and it should be like that :P | 12:05 |
| djszapi_ | why should be? | 12:05 |
| djszapi_ | it can be, but it should not. | 12:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | because it's about the purpose of meeting? | 12:06 |
| djszapi_ | it is just one type of meetups, and many prefer the techie meetups, including me. | 12:06 |
| djszapi_ | no, the qt meetups' purpose in Helsinki is definitely not just socializing and drinking | 12:06 |
| djszapi_ | it is about getting productive on a topic as well which is in everbody's interest | 12:07 |
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| djszapi_ | it is really like a session at a QtCS. | 12:07 |
| djszapi_ | or more sesions since it is more than an hour. | 12:07 |
| rzr | <djszapi_> rzr: perhaps, we can hold a qt meetup in Dublin and invite people :-) | 12:08 |
| rzr | could be possible yes | 12:08 |
| djszapi_ | we could invite the lug people | 12:08 |
| djszapi_ | or we could just talk at their meetup | 12:08 |
| rzr | but my interest would not be qt but metting some irish pple ... | 12:09 |
| djszapi_ | you can do that anywhere, really. :) | 12:09 |
| rzr | yes that;s true | 12:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: for me social part is more important. i would like to have more opportunities to meet maemo/meego people for example | 12:09 |
| djszapi_ | if that is only your requirement, you can already meet them at the airport :) | 12:09 |
| rzr | lol | 12:10 |
| rzr | i have to move from the port to the airport then | 12:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: what did we talk yesterday about? | 12:10 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: read the log | 12:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: you don't take things in proportions | 12:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: so you say at meeting of 100 people everyone speakup and make leacture for everybody? | 12:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: no | 12:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | and you cna see leactures at internet | 12:11 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: people stop talking about things, you do not have a clue about. | 12:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | so ALL meetings in first place about SOCIAL :) | 12:12 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: I have attended to several Qt meetups in different cities, and yes, it was /always/ like qtcs or qt dev days sessions for me | 12:12 |
| djszapi_ | I would appreciate if you stop forcing others for your opinion | 12:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | as sharing visions and ideas is social as well | 12:12 |
| djszapi_ | by calling them "extreme". | 12:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: where did i force you? | 12:13 |
| djszapi_ | no matter how you call them, that is how they like living, and that is more importantly: healthy. | 12:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: ok. let's see. You say something, and you say it like statement(fact), and if i disagree and tell why, i'm forcing? | 12:14 |
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| djszapi_ | Have I called you extreme because you go there only for socializing? | 12:15 |
| djszapi_ | Not. | 12:15 |
| djszapi_ | Have you called us extreme again? | 12:15 |
| djszapi_ | Yes. | 12:15 |
| djszapi_ | I will let you again alone in your argue mode. | 12:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: it's just when you argue with someone you go black\white. And if people do not agree with you, argue with you — you shouldn't take it personal, but you do. like i call you names and saying bad about you? what's wrong man? | 12:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Pali: sup | 12:19 |
| rzr | djszapi, I am #wikitravel | 12:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: djszapi_ btw there is #raspberrypi and #raspberrypi-dev here on freenode | 12:19 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, #qt-onpi too | 12:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pali: ping | 12:20 |
| Pali | ZogG_laptop, pong | 12:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: and #mer :) | 12:20 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: yes, I have used that long ago | 12:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pali: may i query you? | 12:20 |
| djszapi_ | was not useful for me unfortunately. | 12:20 |
| Pali | so, what you need? :-) | 12:21 |
| rzr | a rpi | 12:21 |
| djszapi_ | he would like to argue :) | 12:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pali: to query you, and i need nothing :P | 12:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: oh, common! | 12:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: even argue can be respectful, it's pitty you take it personal. I would avoid with doing it with you | 12:22 |
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| djszapi_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: Visp and then Randa. | 12:24 |
| djszapi_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: http://lpapp.blogspot.ie/2012/08/support-2012-kde-randa-meetings_13.html | 12:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | oh yeah, I totally forgot about Randa djszapi_ | 12:26 |
| djszapi_ | I have approached Randa last your through Zurich, I believe. I will approach from Milan this year. =) | 12:27 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah, from Zurich, it seems to be quite tricky | 12:34 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: sup | 13:37 |
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| rzr | ZogG_laptop, http://rzr.online.fr/q/gtk# #GtK along apt-file etc in #MeeGo #HarmattaN new Testing shared repo : home:rzr:harmattan:testing #n9 !n950club | 13:46 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i see it's still unresolved | 13:49 |
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| rZr | i have to test it then | 14:02 |
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| rZr | ZogG_laptop, it installed file | 14:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | armv7el | 14:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | unresolvable | 14:11 |
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| rZr | wait | 14:18 |
| rZr | it's also in legacy repo | 14:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | as your site is hash tags only i used google to get to the repo :P | 14:22 |
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| pa | so i finished it | 14:56 |
| pa | i wonder if i should try to get it into the store or not | 14:56 |
| pa | i mean, since it packages javispedro glol.. | 14:56 |
| pa | that is gpl, and so it would be ok i guess | 14:57 |
| pa | well i can try, it will be free anyway, and i credited him | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | pa, why are you using glol? :P | 14:59 |
| Lava_Croft | haha | 14:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: or you can push to him changes and ask to package it and push to ovi? | 14:59 |
| Lava_Croft | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0 | 14:59 |
| Lava_Croft | Did Apple ever invent anything? | 14:59 |
| rZr | superbranding ? | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG | deps don't work on store afaik | 15:01 |
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| rZr | no they dont | 15:02 |
| pa | MohammadAG, coz i dont want to incept :) | 15:03 |
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| MohammadAG | pa, you don't have to incept to use glol | 15:03 |
| pa | thats why i use glol :) | 15:04 |
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| n9appscom | MeeGo/Maemo or Qt-based? | 15:07 |
| pa | what? | 15:08 |
| n9appscom | When publishing in Ovi Store? | 15:08 |
| pa | meego/maemo | 15:08 |
| n9appscom | Ok | 15:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think you can set deps, at least irssi installs terminal :) | 15:08 |
| n9appscom | I should included misspellings in keywords, seriously? | 15:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | ? | 15:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: btw breeze didn't work for me | 15:19 |
| n9appscom | submitting to ovi store.. there's tip that i should include misspellings of the keywords | 15:20 |
| n9appscom | what happens? | 15:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: i push :install on phone" and nothing happens | 15:20 |
| n9appscom | Did you get connected? | 15:20 |
| n9appscom | I guess you got since that button doesn't appear otherwise | 15:21 |
| Elleo | n9appscom: if you're submitting breeze I suspect it'll be rejected unfortunately, there's a QA rule stating that applications can't promote external stores (which is presumaly why the Apps For MeeGo client isn't in the Ovi Store either) | 15:21 |
| Elleo | one of my apps got rejected just because I happened to mention on its official support website that it was also available via Apps For MeeGo | 15:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: i got token | 15:22 |
| n9appscom | Ok, I'll try still | 15:22 |
| pa | that is true | 15:22 |
| pa | i got my app rejected once, coz i linked the deb on the webpage | 15:23 |
| Tronic | Elleo: Oh crap, I thought that Harmattan was free of such stupidity. | 15:23 |
| Elleo | Tronic: well its Ovi that's not free of that stupidity | 15:24 |
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| Elleo | thankfully there's nothing stopping you from installing extra store apps; its just Ovi that won't let you distribute it through the official store | 15:24 |
| n9appscom | I'll try not to advertise .debs, just Ovi Store apps if that would help | 15:24 |
| Elleo | they have the same basic QA rules for harmattan as for Symbian and windows mobile | 15:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | apps4meego has lack of deps system, you need to include stuff in package | 15:25 |
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| Lava_Croft | applevssamsung: https://plus.google.com/u/0/114476892281222708332/posts/246srfbqg6G | 15:28 |
| n9appscom | ZogG_laptop: There's small chance that your breeze was configured for dev user on your phone.. This happens when I run it from Qt Creator | 15:30 |
| rZr | djszapi, do u similar services as https://account.lycamobile.ie/FreeSim/freesimconfirm.aspx?lang=en | 15:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: installed and ran as user | 15:31 |
| n9appscom | Other than that, I don't really know what could go wrong.. Token is sent as push notification too, so it works | 15:32 |
| n9appscom | Have you tried installing many apps, sometimes it doesn't work | 15:33 |
| rZr | anyone wanna join https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/memberships ? | 15:34 |
| n9appscom | what happens when you try to launch the app again.. Nothing should happen if it's configured correctly | 15:34 |
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| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: i got at feeds that i'm connected | 16:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: nothing happens | 16:04 |
| n9appscom | weird.. have you uninstalled store client or something? the push notification just calls store client with dbus | 16:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | i do have it | 16:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't get notifications afaik, should i see them at all or all that in background? | 16:08 |
| n9appscom | it's just in background | 16:09 |
| faenil | guys give this a look | 16:10 |
| faenil | x: -parent.width*2 | 16:10 |
| faenil | onXChanged: console.log("x is " + x + " while it should be bound to " + -parent.width*2) | 16:10 |
| faenil | it happens that x and -parent.width*2 in that log message are different :/ | 16:10 |
| * rZr http://rzr.online.fr/q/fuse# just installed #FusE's #EncFs on #MeeGo/#HarmattaN from testing shared repo please comfirm ok for #n9 !n950club | 16:16 | |
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| pa | faenil, i also had some troubles with minuses | 16:29 |
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| pa | dont remember how i fixed it | 16:29 |
| faenil | my problem is someone changes the value without emitting a signal imho | 16:30 |
| faenil | that element is inside a page | 16:30 |
| faenil | i push this page, and everything works | 16:30 |
| faenil | then I push another page which has orientationLock to landscape | 16:30 |
| pa | faenil, put there a positive value, and you will be sure | 16:31 |
| faenil | I keep the phone in portrait, push the landscape only page, the screen rotates, and the X is changed to the wrong value...though I don't understand why :( | 16:32 |
| faenil | pa, ok | 16:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: maybe in landscape aix's are the same as in portrait | 16:33 |
| faenil | sorry? | 16:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean physically they are the same | 16:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | while toward you x is y | 16:34 |
| faenil | so? | 16:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | so in landscape you for interface you need y and not x? | 16:35 |
| faenil | that x is from the page which is underneath, which doesn't have orientationLock | 16:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | try to make some text and lock it to coner not with x and y and just that it would show x and y ? | 16:36 |
| faenil | I'm already loggin x and y, I think you're misunderstanding my issue ;) | 16:37 |
| faenil | I need a test case for this, let me build one | 16:37 |
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| MohammadAG | MLocaleBuckets is fucking annoying | 16:56 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, I'm deleting things one by one... | 16:56 |
| faenil | probably found the issue :) my fault, of course | 16:58 |
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| faenil | yes I have :) yey! | 16:59 |
| pa | what was it? | 16:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: rm -rf :P | 17:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: sup | 17:00 |
| faenil | :D | 17:00 |
| pa | by the way is it possible to have a listview of listviews? | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, adding fast scroll to sociality | 17:00 |
| faenil | pa, I was overwriting the value thus breaking the binding, but I couldn't find it because it was actually a NumberAnimation doing so | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | Sadly it adds a group for each name | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | and then adds all items, to each group | 17:00 |
| pa | ah | 17:00 |
| faenil | I looked for "element.x" assignments...and couldn't find it :) | 17:01 |
| pa | hehe | 17:01 |
| faenil | :D | 17:01 |
| bindi | guys, any idea why my n9 keeps dropping out of the cell network multiple times a day? tried rebooting, even got a new sim from the carrier | 17:01 |
| bindi | and the same carrier works fine on my other phone | 17:01 |
| pa | by the way, i have a number of dated items, and i wold like to group them for months, in a list view (and kind of having a summary row for each month) | 17:01 |
| pa | how would you do that? | 17:01 |
| rZr | djszapi, so how is going automoc-snapshot ? | 17:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: you mean not per first letter but whole name? | 17:02 |
| bindi | i *think* the sim tray might have something going on, I pressed it down and it got a connection, might be a coincidence | 17:02 |
| pa | s/for months/ by months | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, yes | 17:06 |
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| faenil | pa, yeah I've used ListViews inside ListViews :) | 17:13 |
| faenil | pa, so yeah it's doable :) | 17:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: hey dog, i know you like listviews.... | 17:18 |
| faenil | :D | 17:18 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, had to dish them for nemomobile's media gallery though :/ | 17:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | dich? | 17:19 |
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| faenil | ZogG_laptop, throw them away | 17:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | BREAKPOINTS ARE AWESOME! | 17:38 |
| pa | another question: is it possible to have just one listview, and multiple delegates, and choose the delegate based on a property? | 17:40 |
| pa | or alternatively, having one delegate that does different things depending on a property? | 17:41 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone good at MTF? | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | sources from Nokia for some apps would really be helpful :/ | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | MTF is the worst documented UI toolkit | 17:45 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: ping Elop | 18:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: alterego has few sources he wouldn't share but can help with advice :P | 18:12 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego: Do you? :p | 18:34 |
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| * rZr is recruiting someone for 3 weeks to babysit obs shared repo | 19:00 | |
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| pa | i was wondering: is it actually possible to create a new qml component in c++ and make use of existing qml components in it, such as rectangles and so fort? | 19:23 |
| pa | or does one have to paint it all from scratch? | 19:23 |
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| djszapi_ | anybody knowing if it is possible to apply a git formatted patch without git? | 19:28 |
| djszapi_ | I am having a release tarball, and someone sent me a patch for trying the Qt5 build. | 19:28 |
| djszapi_ | and I would not like to fetch Qt5 from git over my mobile internet now.. | 19:29 |
| djszapi_ | and the patch is not one-liner either to try manually. | 19:29 |
| djszapi_ | hmm, perhaps, it just works. Lemme try. | 19:32 |
| pa | so googling for qml refs starts to bring up blackberry pages :) | 19:32 |
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| djszapi_ | hmm, nope... That is unfortunate. | 19:36 |
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| pa | is it possible to pack some more information into qml listviews sections? | 19:49 |
| pa | and if so, from wherecan i extract these data? | 19:49 |
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| Lava_Croft | heh | 19:50 |
| Lava_Croft | https://t.co/A5bMmGSe | 19:50 |
| Lava_Croft | (pdf) | 19:50 |
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| Lava_Croft | stupid chart doesnt even mention maemo6 | 19:51 |
| pa | they also put ubuntu there | 19:52 |
| pa | apparently disconnected from everything | 19:52 |
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| juergbi | djszapi_: git formatted patches can be applied using 'patch'. no special handling necessary | 20:32 |
| djszapi_ | yep, I just need to figure out how to get the patch from gerrit. | 20:33 |
| djszapi_ | I cannot seem to find a way of doing that, unfortunately. | 20:33 |
| djszapi_ | I would need to fetch, which requires an existing git repository locally. | 20:34 |
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| Lava_Croft | nice | 20:36 |
| Lava_Croft | https://twitter.com/SpunkyBloke/status/239764134923743232/photo/1 | 20:36 |
| Lava_Croft | fennec17 | 20:36 |
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| djszapi_ | rZr: I can help with the qt5 packages, but unfortunately not more. | 21:00 |
| djszapi_ | please fix the automoc before your leave. | 21:00 |
| rZr | where is your work ? | 21:01 |
| djszapi_ | currently in my scratchbox. | 21:01 |
| rZr | ok i am thinking of that automoc-snapshot project | 21:02 |
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| rZr | do u have create it ? | 21:02 |
| djszapi_ | we are negotiating an upstream fix for the build for the moment. | 21:02 |
| rZr | i can do that tonite | 21:02 |
| djszapi_ | I cannot deal with automoc | 21:02 |
| djszapi_ | all my harmattan time goes to the Qt5 port, now. | 21:02 |
| djszapi_ | and then the qt-components qtquick2 port | 21:02 |
| djszapi_ | git: 'remote-curl' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'. -> this is unavailable on Harmattan? :O | 21:06 |
| djszapi_ | wow: git version 1.6.5.7 | 21:07 |
| djszapi_ | not even "git am" in that version. | 21:08 |
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| jonni | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~] > git --version | 21:34 |
| jonni | git version 1.7.4.1 | 21:34 |
| jonni | got bored yesterday and ordered me nexus 7, so I would have some reason to implement hostapd on harmattan ;) | 21:36 |
| djszapi_ | jonni: that is some custom stuff | 21:36 |
| djszapi_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=git&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 21:36 |
| djszapi_ | it is either 1.6.5 or 1.7.6 here | 21:37 |
| djszapi_ | unless you use some devkit stuff | 21:37 |
| jonni | well yes, I've use custom git in my sb env | 21:37 |
| djszapi_ | :) | 21:38 |
| djszapi_ | rZr: why don't you delete the old version? | 21:38 |
| djszapi_ | why do we need two? | 21:38 |
| rZr | i am back | 21:38 |
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| RzR | one problem at time please | 21:39 |
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| djszapi_ | RzR: "apt-get install git" picked up the old git version. | 21:40 |
| RzR | where is latest one ? | 21:40 |
| djszapi_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=git&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 21:40 |
| RzR | so u want 1.7 | 21:42 |
| djszapi_ | always the latest available. | 21:42 |
| djszapi_ | cannot tell why we have two versions there. | 21:42 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: btw what you think of systemd? | 21:52 |
| djszapi_ | http://paste.kde.org/~lpapp/539834/ -> any ideas for this? | 21:53 |
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| RzR | djszapi, precompiled headers ? | 21:57 |
| djszapi_ | RzR: what exactly do you mean? | 21:57 |
| djszapi_ | I had the impression QtGui should be gone for Qt5. | 21:58 |
| RzR | .pch ? | 21:58 |
| RzR | what that ? | 21:58 |
| RzR | cc1: fatal error: .pch/release-shared/QtGui: No such file or directory | 21:58 |
| djszapi_ | there is also this in mkspecs/linux-g++-maemo/qmake.conf: QT += core gui | 21:58 |
| djszapi_ | unsure if this should actually be widgets. | 21:58 |
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| djszapi_ | RzR: no any clue what that is. | 21:59 |
| djszapi_ | or if this should be there, or not. | 21:59 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_ is ignoring me? =) | 22:06 |
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| pa | does anybody here somehow design his or her application? | 22:15 |
| pa | like formally, using uml or some other modeling method | 22:15 |
| djszapi_ | yes, I do. | 22:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: what do you mean desinged? | 22:16 |
| pa | how? | 22:16 |
| djszapi_ | usually white board, and artist/designer applications. | 22:17 |
| pa | ZogG_laptop, like having any sort of definition of the structure | 22:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: i just improvised with my app :P | 22:17 |
| pa | djszapi, but do you use any specific method? or what do you sketch on your whiteboard? | 22:17 |
| pa | components? classes? flow? | 22:18 |
| djszapi_ | the architecture | 22:18 |
| pa | ZogG_laptop, yeah, but when it gets a little more complicated, you get in trouble | 22:18 |
| djszapi_ | and the ui | 22:18 |
| pa | architecture.. | 22:18 |
| pa | but through the classes? or waht are the components of your sketches? :) | 22:18 |
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| djszapi_ | you need to learn what a software architecture is. | 22:19 |
| pa | probably :) | 22:19 |
| djszapi_ | this is the ui design draft I do for instance: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/12/Mobile_Mockup_4.png | 22:19 |
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| pa | any reference? | 22:19 |
| djszapi_ | this is not done by any code. | 22:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: that's my ui sucks if you haven't seen it. | 22:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | i still wait wazd help me, but i don't think he would anymore :P | 22:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | he is really goooood in tis | 22:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | this | 22:20 |
| pa | djszapi_, i mean if i google, i see that most of the people design the architecture through UML diagrams | 22:21 |
| djszapi_ | pa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_architecture | 22:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: i think the best way is to think of logic | 22:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | even with paper and pencil | 22:22 |
| djszapi_ | pa: argouml is a cross-platform and nice application for that | 22:22 |
| djszapi_ | but you do not really do that at brainstormings | 22:22 |
| djszapi_ | where all of you just dump the brain content. | 22:22 |
| djszapi_ | onto the table, delete something then, re-draw etc | 22:23 |
| pa | i mean now i need to put down clear the components i need, coz otherwise things will grow into something unmaintainable and which structure i will forget in a second | 22:24 |
| djszapi_ | pa: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=scratch%2Flpapp%2Fconservatory.git&a=blob&h=6370030cfe5955cdba02995fdee5595e16764219&hb=eb4925f95d892b50f7540daef7919a3a8253d25d&f=documentation%2Fdesign.txt | 22:25 |
| pa | and yes, it would be cool to have a software for that (or a whiteboard) so that parts can be redesigned | 22:25 |
| trx | i have been googling that for about two hours just now :) | 22:25 |
| djszapi_ | this is a simple txt I wrote with my friend. | 22:25 |
| trx | i decided that i should develop such application myself, to suit my needs | 22:26 |
| djszapi_ | unfortunately not too detailed. | 22:26 |
| djszapi_ | very shallow, but a good start. | 22:26 |
| pa | yes, thanks! | 22:27 |
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| djszapi_ | I mean good start for us | 22:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | trx: for UI? | 22:27 |
| trx | ZogG_laptop no, for creating diagrams of complex software modules and connections | 22:28 |
| trx | which will describe the code | 22:28 |
| trx | i have come to a point where i can't connect and visualize all the objects in my head, so i need an extension :) | 22:29 |
| pa | trx, hei mate ;) | 22:30 |
| trx | do you know of any software that will allow me to do that? | 22:30 |
| trx | i can't find any suitable software | 22:30 |
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| ZogG_laptop | trx: i bet there is something there. but i hope to get version of yours to try :P | 22:31 |
| pa | trx, after having studied it at school, i never really tried to use uml. did you? | 22:31 |
| pa | like umlet or as djszapi was mentioning argouml | 22:31 |
| trx | ZogG_laptop i'll let you know how it goes :) | 22:31 |
| trx | pa nope, never used it | 22:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | i never used uml or learned it i hardly heard of it and hardly know of it | 22:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | trx: fortran? pascal? i forgot the language you like :P | 22:32 |
| trx | haha | 22:32 |
| trx | object pascal/delphi | 22:32 |
| pa | erk.. :) | 22:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | trx: if you need help and u use C or C++ and can give noob as me tasks i can try to help | 22:32 |
| pa | does it still have begin; end;? | 22:32 |
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| trx | pa yes | 22:33 |
| pa | : ) | 22:33 |
| trx | object pascal is not an ancient | 22:33 |
| trx | it can do everyting C can | 22:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | trx: but why not C than? | 22:33 |
| trx | because obj pas is my "native language" | 22:34 |
| djszapi_ | pa: I do not really do that low-level class design | 22:34 |
| trx | and i code faster in it | 22:34 |
| djszapi_ | that is what the headers are for, after all | 22:34 |
| djszapi_ | you can always browse the headers | 22:34 |
| djszapi_ | I do not see how uml would be a good addition to that. | 22:34 |
| pa | yes i agree | 22:34 |
| djszapi_ | it would be actually worse to me since I need to learn a new software | 22:34 |
| djszapi_ | and not what everybody else does: header file browsing. | 22:35 |
| pa | thats why i was looking for something a bit more higher level.. like some way to nicely sketch the data flow or something like that | 22:35 |
| djszapi_ | not to mention, that would be far away the documentation all of a sudden. | 22:35 |
| djszapi_ | txt or blackboard works for me. | 22:35 |
| trx | djszapi_ you cant use headers efficiently for things like complex AI | 22:35 |
| djszapi_ | trx: of course, you can use for class representation | 22:36 |
| djszapi_ | that is actually their purpose after all. | 22:36 |
| djszapi_ | pa: I usually use an artist or design software for the ui though | 22:36 |
| trx | yes, but the connections between them are beyond their purpose | 22:36 |
| djszapi_ | I do not use blackboard for that too often. | 22:36 |
| pa | ah i see | 22:36 |
| djszapi_ | trx: so? | 22:37 |
| djszapi_ | trx: have you read what I wrote? | 22:37 |
| pa | djszapi_, well at the moment my problems are more at backend level | 22:37 |
| djszapi_ | I did say, I see blackboard with photo taken, or txt for those. | 22:37 |
| djszapi_ | use* | 22:37 |
| djszapi_ | just like the aforementioned link. | 22:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | trx: where are you from? | 22:38 |
| pa | i think its very important to do such things | 22:38 |
| trx | ZogG_laptop Serbia | 22:38 |
| * ZogG_laptop is turning little troll mode | 22:38 | |
| ZogG_laptop | trx: but you don't speak your native here :P | 22:38 |
| pa | otherwise, when things get too complex, one loses even the interest in developing further, coz of the mess in the head :) | 22:39 |
| trx | ZogG_laptop because at the moment i care if you understand me :) | 22:39 |
| djszapi_ | pa: that is what the documentation is for. | 22:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | trx: same with C | 22:39 |
| djszapi_ | very good example: http://www.aosabook.org/en/telepathy.html | 22:40 |
| trx | djszapi_ documentation is not enough in such cases when you want to visualize the links in anything complex and not based on inheritance | 22:41 |
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| trx | that is how i see it | 22:41 |
| djszapi_ | trx: have you seen any documentation with graphs? | 22:42 |
| djszapi_ | like the aforementioned? | 22:42 |
| djszapi_ | have you actually opened that up? | 22:42 |
| djszapi_ | documentation != plain text | 22:42 |
| trx | djszapi_ can you recommend any software which can produce that? | 22:42 |
| djszapi_ | tons | 22:42 |
| trx | well that is what pa is looking for | 22:43 |
| trx | and myself | 22:43 |
| djszapi_ | those are simple pngs, if you open up yourself... | 22:43 |
| djszapi_ | almost any software wrt this can export to that format.. | 22:43 |
| djszapi_ | you should just really read what I write. :) | 22:44 |
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| djszapi_ | I did mention argouml for one. | 22:44 |
| djszapi_ | but a graph can be done in many image manipulation programs as well | 22:44 |
| trx | i would preffer interactive graphs which in a "scroll view" which contain links to the object which they represent inside the source | 22:44 |
| djszapi_ | it is not quite a rocket science.. | 22:44 |
| trx | that sentence is retarded.. | 22:44 |
| trx | let me rephrase :) | 22:45 |
| trx | i would preffer interactive graphs which are in a "scroll view". Its nodes contain links to the object which they represent inside the source | 22:45 |
| trx | thats what i had planned to create anyway.. | 22:46 |
| pa | ah visio is for making diagrams | 22:46 |
| djszapi_ | you planned to reinvent <a href> ? | 22:47 |
| pa | i was already going to use dia | 22:47 |
| djszapi_ | existing for decades? | 22:47 |
| trx | djszapi_ yeap, exactly :) | 22:48 |
| trx | a href is obsolete :) | 22:48 |
| djszapi_ | lol | 22:48 |
| pa | kivio.. djszapi_ do you know anything? | 22:49 |
| djszapi_ | not really, I prefer ascii chart, I am sorry. | 22:49 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: why you hate me man? =) | 22:50 |
| trx | lol | 22:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | trx: tell him that hate is waste of time | 22:51 |
| trx | telling him that is a waste of time by itself :) | 22:51 |
| trx | plus, i dont care :) | 22:51 |
| RzR | djszapi, can u update ur kde project to uses automoc-snapshot and push them to home:rzr:harmattan:unstable ? | 22:52 |
| djszapi_ | RzR: nope, I do not prefer unstable for the KDE project, I am sorry. | 22:53 |
| djszapi_ | we do not unfortunately have too many users, and cannot ask them to waste their time with another repository. | 22:53 |
| djszapi_ | it would distract them more unfortunately. | 22:53 |
| djszapi_ | However, if you have the automoc-snapshot uploaded, I can try to update my kde packages. Although, I had the impression that should be possible from the webinterface? | 22:54 |
| djszapi_ | aka. you could also do that in no time. | 22:54 |
| djszapi_ | I am pretty busy now with porting Qt5 to Harmattan. | 22:54 |
| RzR | djszapi, unstable is the step refore testig | 22:54 |
| djszapi_ | I do not accept that concept, I am afraid. | 22:55 |
| RzR | djszapi, automoc-snapshot is in home:rzr:harmattan too | 22:55 |
| djszapi_ | nobody would be happy with changing among unstable/testing/stable/etc | 22:55 |
| djszapi_ | it is already good if they try stable. | 22:55 |
| RzR | so use that single repo ... | 22:56 |
| RzR | forget about sub repos | 22:56 |
| djszapi_ | right | 22:56 |
| djszapi_ | unstable/testing/stable/etc would make sense with a lot bigger userbase in my opinion. | 22:56 |
| djszapi_ | with such a small userbase like ours, it is just a distraction to deal with all those. | 22:57 |
| RzR | i had to create sub repo because in the base repo some gtk fails to build | 22:59 |
| RzR | i donno why | 22:59 |
| djszapi_ | I see. | 22:59 |
| djszapi_ | I should probably update the kde packages to 4.9 | 22:59 |
| djszapi_ | I believe, I left them with 4.8 back then. | 22:59 |
| djszapi_ | they contain some new features. | 23:00 |
| djszapi_ | do not* | 23:00 |
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| RzR | ok when is this expected ? | 23:02 |
| djszapi_ | not now... | 23:03 |
| djszapi_ | I would like to get the Qt5 platform up and running | 23:03 |
| djszapi_ | also the qtquick2 components | 23:03 |
| djszapi_ | and probably afterwards.. | 23:03 |
| djszapi_ | no in 2-3 weeks for sure. | 23:03 |
| RzR | rpi ? | 23:03 |
| djszapi_ | what with rpi? | 23:03 |
| djszapi_ | Qt5 for Harmattan, if that is what you mean. | 23:04 |
| djszapi_ | so people can develop applications with Qt5. | 23:04 |
| djszapi_ | on Harmattan. | 23:04 |
| djszapi_ | rpi is rpi | 23:04 |
| djszapi_ | it is not a target system | 23:04 |
| djszapi_ | you cannot pretty much do anything with it right away. | 23:04 |
| djszapi_ | unless you design a final system where it bases the core. | 23:04 |
| djszapi_ | so I will not play too much with it. | 23:04 |
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| djszapi_ | I prefer ready made target systems, where I can focus on the application development. | 23:05 |
| djszapi_ | like Harmattan, Playbook, and so forth. | 23:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | i want playbook | 23:06 |
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| faenil | ZogG_laptop, 16gb version is 179€ here...almost gifted | 23:09 |
| pa | where? | 23:10 |
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| faenil | pa, known tech shop | 23:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: it would cost more with taxes and shipment and i want 4g | 23:11 |
| faenil | MediaWorld, don't know if it's international | 23:11 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, oh, 4g.. | 23:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | afaik it's in canada only now | 23:11 |
| faenil | yeah | 23:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: why canada? | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | WHYYYY? | 23:13 |
| faenil | because RIM is canadian? :) | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | we are one of the countries we develop some new tech but never get anything | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | like most of i7 version was invented here | 23:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | and other tech stuff | 23:14 |
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| ZogG_laptop | but it's always from outside? | 23:14 |
| faenil | :) | 23:17 |
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| RzR | djszapi, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=exiv2&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 23:19 |
| RzR | djszapi, main repo is fuxed now | 23:19 |
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| djszapi_ | RzR: goosd | 23:21 |
| djszapi_ | good& | 23:21 |
| djszapi_ | good* | 23:21 |
| RzR | i am investigating | 23:23 |
| RzR | home:rzr:harmattan:testing is safe btw | 23:23 |
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