IRC log of #harmattan for Sunday, 2012-08-26

djszapi_free and open source applications.*00:00
paok so to use qtmobility do i have to start a qapplication?00:00
djszapi_nothing wrong about that; it is healthy.00:00
paotherwise this sensors return null stuff00:00
djszapi_having a comment like "your game is not up to the paid level" is harsh enough.00:00
djszapi_or "you are extreme with preferring open source and free applications".00:00
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: it's not about features, it's about qualities. for example vim is great and free00:03
djszapi_I see you are in argue mode, so I will you iterate with yourself. :-)00:04
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: it's not about argue00:05
ZogG_laptopit's dialog and conversation00:05
ZogG_laptopi say what i think and try to respect opposite part. no offense and nothing personal00:06
ZogG_laptopi think your game is fine and ok. and i respect that it's FOSS and free. and really thank you for that, if you got me wrong.00:06
Lava_Croftneil armstrong died:<00:07
djszapi_ZogG_laptop: put it this way: how would you play the classical hangman game on your N9?00:08
djszapi_if I decide, to ask money for this?00:08
djszapi_and I close the source?00:09
djszapi_you would have no any other changes, I could do that.00:09
djszapi_and if you would like to play the traditional hangman game, I could just make you pay.00:09
djszapi_since you do not have any alternatives00:09
djszapi_I could really do that, but I do not.00:09
djszapi_also, the users left a lot of review liking the quality of the applications, especially the graphics.00:10
djszapi_this is same for the anagram game.00:11
pacool it works00:11
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: it's bad example as hangman can help spend time, but it's not the type of games i really like :P00:13
djszapi_the world is not about you.00:13
djszapi_I am sure most of the people do not even care about SpeedX either.00:13
djszapi_or basically many applications like that.00:13
ZogG_laptopit's true00:14
djszapi_if someone would like to donate, then donate to KDE, not me. I am not willing to get money out of that work.00:14
ZogG_laptopbut it's like comparing monopoly and GTA400:14
ZogG_laptopnot the same thing. simple as that00:15
djszapi_and I do not demand the donation.00:15
ZogG_laptopthat's it00:15
djszapi_it is the same thing.00:15
ZogG_laptopyou missing my point00:15
djszapi_orange and apple...00:15
ZogG_laptopthan windows is like linux and macos?00:15
ZogG_laptopand laptop as PC00:15
djszapi_I would never say to the monopoly developers, "You are not worthy dude".00:15
ZogG_laptopand calculator as ipad?00:15
ZogG_laptopit's NOT the same leauge00:15
ZogG_laptopi never said it didn't worth00:16
ZogG_laptopit worth it.00:16
djszapi_you would be actually surprised, if you knew more about the application compentation winners about the 50.000 (?) EUR/USD or whatever currency it was00:17
djszapi_the winner was making a tad simple application00:17
djszapi_and the winner was not that who put an enormous amount of work into the project00:17
djszapi_since that stuff was not just that useful for the people.00:17
djszapi_no matter how much work put into that.00:17
ZogG_laptopyou still miss my point00:18
ZogG_laptopand you take it most time personaly so it makes hard to00:18
Lava_CroftThe only thing that differs between monopoly and GTA4 is the budget and the fact that monopoly is fun00:19
Lava_Croftthats two things, but im horrible at math00:19
djszapi_Lava_Croft: are you a native English speaker, if I may ask?00:21
Lava_CroftI do wonder why you ask!00:21
djszapi_I am writing this Contributor Device Program.00:22
djszapi_and as I am not a native speaker, I would need some feedback. :-)00:22
Lava_CroftI an autodidact with English, sadly00:22
Lava_Croftcoincidence may be that my brother is a professional translator, he studied english00:22
Lava_Croftbut you would have to pay him, and he is having a 2 week vacation atm:)00:23
djszapi_it is ok00:23
Lava_Crofti learned english from games00:24
Lava_Croftand microsoft, :)00:24
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befordyou have seen this a lot of times :P "This program has encountered an unexpected error"00:28
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paare you aware of some N9 itself icon?01:06
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MohammadAGI learned English from watching cartoons :)01:08
pado you know if it is allowed to have nokia logo in part of an icon?01:11
paor is it copyright violation?01:11
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djszapi_hard to say01:13
djszapi_you would need to read what you can do with their icons01:13
djszapi_but it is always the safest to avoid risky situations.01:13
djszapi_and generally recommended.01:13
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pai see :)01:13
pawell i just wanted the shape of N9 in the icon01:14
paand i thought the best way to take it is by screenshotting simulator01:14
pawhich contains logo01:14
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DocScrutinizer05pa: afaik Nokia is rather picky with their Icons, trademarks etc.01:59
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DocScrutinizer05pa: so while it's probably safe to use a similr icon to the one you mentioned, I'd not use an unaltered screenshot that could be considered copyright violation. Using an almost identical icon you "created yourself" should be safe02:01
DocScrutinizer05(gimp can do amiazing things to pixmaps ;-D )02:02
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paah i see :)02:16
paby the way, to make a "live" desktop icon, is it faster to replace the png to which the .desktop points02:17
paor to replace the .desktop?02:17
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: what cartoons?02:18
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: that was excat point that you can't make games like GTA4 for free. I mean you can make some short one for free you have a lot of you sold already. But not always apps on this level of quality can be developt for free and opensource02:20
ZogG_laptopas most people do FOSS at free time, they do work to get paid02:20
paor is there any command to tell N9 to refresh icons ?02:20
ZogG_laptopthat was my point on argument02:20
ZogG_laptoppa: sudo make me sandwich?02:20
ZogG_laptoppa: reboot i think can do it :P02:20
pawell i was thinking of something faster :)02:21
ZogG_laptopi don't think you can02:21
ZogG_laptopat least it would take more time to find out :P02:21
pabut if i change the icon file, then it works, right?02:21
ZogG_laptopif there is any way :P02:21
ZogG_laptoppa: desktop file?02:21
paah that is what i have to change?02:21
ZogG_laptopdepends on needs02:22
pai mean, ipaddr widget changes only the  image02:22
ZogG_laptopif you want to change icon as file itself you can switch the icon file. if you wnt to change setting or to use other icon - desktop file.02:22
paok great02:23
paso i try desktop file first :)02:23
ZogG_laptoppa: the calendar as well changes02:23
ZogG_laptoppa: what are you trying to do>02:23
pai told u  :) a toggle for locking screen orientation02:24
pai mean, now i just have to package it02:24
ZogG_laptopit maybe that instead of icon path there is some script wich generates and return icon. like `ls -l` in bash script would show the list of files02:24
ZogG_laptoppa: why do you want it as icon?02:24
ZogG_laptopi find it less usefull02:25
pai wonder if symbolic links are good02:25
paZogG_laptop, than what?02:25
ZogG_laptopit should be in app as setting, and if not at the system-ui(though full screen app would mess it)02:25
ZogG_laptoppa: it would just eat battery02:25
pano, i checked02:26
pait takes 0%02:26
ZogG_laptoppa: and you need to minimize app, go to apps screen(as you can be at other screen), scroll to it and launch it? no thanks02:26
paapp runs in bg02:26
payou dont see02:26
ZogG_laptoppa: it takes 0% untill you not monitoring wich icon you need :)02:27
pait works this way: you run it once, it locks the screen to current orientation, and changes the icon02:27
payou run again, it unlocks02:27
ZogG_laptoppa: app in backgrund will eat you battery even in sleep mode, till you add it too, and than more and more02:27
paZogG_laptop, i tell you, i checked with top02:27
pait stays always 0% cpu02:27
pabut if you dont believe me, ask javispedro02:27
pahe made the locker02:27
paim just making a toggle for it02:28
ZogG_laptoppa: it may be useful and good, but there are toggles for system-ui02:28
ZogG_laptopi think it's the place for them02:28
payes but i dont want to incept02:28
ZogG_laptopif we had widgets and few desctops it might be different02:28
ZogG_laptopbut even in maemo5 it's in system ui02:29
pai agree it should be there02:29
pabut since i dont want to incept, and still didnt dare to try coderus system ui..02:29
ZogG_laptoppa: simple like that — no follow updates for harmattan — you can incept :P02:29
panever say never ,)02:29
ZogG_laptopin matter of facts or aegis free CSSU would come or one based on inception02:29
pai still hope they fix battery bug02:30
ZogG_laptopi don't see other options :P02:30
ZogG_laptoppa: did you have n900?02:30
pai find horribly annoying to see the  battery level dropping from 20% to 402:30
panope, im new :)02:30
ZogG_laptoppa: than there woudl be no update, sorry02:30
ZogG_laptopat least not a bug fixes :P02:30
ZogG_laptoppa: dry you battery empy and charge fully one time, it may help.02:31
pawell, it+s not a problem of lasting02:31
ZogG_laptopi know02:31
pait+s a problem that the level just jumps02:31
ZogG_laptopbut it can still solve it02:31
pathen i mean, it lasts 4% for a day maybe02:31
ZogG_laptopi think i had it once or twice and i had battery problems as well02:31
ZogG_laptopit helped me02:31
pabut you have no way to tell when it will end02:31
paZogG_laptop, i almost always dry it empty02:32
ZogG_laptoppa: try to do what  said and report if it comes back02:32
ZogG_laptoppa: i mean empty as it doesn't turn on02:32
pathat empty :)02:32
ZogG_laptopthan just one option, to try to go to nokia nad get new phone. as i see it wasn't reported by a lot of people, so it might be random bug, and by getting new device you can be lucky of not getting it :P02:33
pawell.. i had it on both the n9 i had02:34
panow one is stolen02:34
pabut it did the same02:34
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beford:/ got robbed ?02:35
befordor the phone just "disappeared"02:35
pano no, robbed02:36
ZogG_laptoppa: 2 n9's i saw only 3 in my life and 1 of them is mine :P02:36
ZogG_laptoppa: robbed like robbed on street?02:36
pawell like it disappeared from the bag on the bus stop02:37
befordah sucks, well at least you are ok and didn't notice it, a friend got robbed by 3 armed guys here, they took his bag with laptop + kindle :/02:38
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befordColombia, but on a different city, good thing for him it was work's laptop and it was insured02:47
befordhe locked the kindle on amazon's site, so it will probably be blocked if it gets online again02:47
paah i see.. that must be scary02:48
ZogG_laptopyeah blocked kindle is scary02:51
ZogG_laptopbeford: colombia? did they still hs coke as well?02:51
ZogG_laptopi was never robbed on street but i was beaten for no reason02:52
ZogG_laptopjust looked at guy when passed and he took it too srs02:52
befordthat's good... I suppose02:52
ZogG_laptopat the end it was some punk who went after drinking at my classmate house02:53
befordi've never been robbed or beaten :P02:53
ZogG_laptopmy classmate's area in city was the best02:53
ZogG_laptophe got his arms and legs broken few times in own neighboorhood02:53
ZogG_laptoplovely kids, what can i say :P02:54
ZogG_laptopok i think i should go to sleep soon02:54
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ZogG_laptopbeford: wait, you told you have rpi right?03:00
befordnot yet03:01
befordI bought it, it hasn't shipped03:01
ZogG_laptopoh right03:02
ZogG_laptopthere are 2 chans here on freenode :P03:03
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: ^03:03
befordheh I already got some software for it, qtonpi, archlinux, raspbmc and debian :P03:03
ZogG_laptopwhat are the sizes?03:05
ZogG_laptopbeford: i'll go for optimized one it's pifish or something, funtoo and mer/nemo :p03:06
befordthey are quite small, around 300mb compressed03:06
ZogG_laptopyeah i wonder of not compressed as i didn't buy SD and thinking to buy one huge for multiboot or few small for each OS03:07
befordmost of them are suited for 1 and 2gb  SD cards03:08
befordI have a 4gb one should be enough :P03:08
beford fishpi is something else lol but a nice project anyway03:09
befordunmanned vehicle controlled by a raspberry :P03:09
ZogG_laptopbeford: (Raspbian, a Raspberry Pi optimised distro which came out of the community, and which you should already have upgraded to because it’s 40% faster that Squeeze, is a great case in point.)03:13
ZogG_laptopand there is one with fish in it that is fast and optimized too03:13
befordyea that one03:13
befordi believe qtonpi is built on top of mer03:17
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paonce again, what was the aegis file where the credentials for all the apps are stored?03:21
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djszapi_ZogG_laptop: sorry?03:53
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Lava_Crofti wonder if i can get a raspberry pi thats powered by my cycling09:57
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djszapi_Lava_Croft: at least 700 mA.10:16
Lava_Croftit doesnt have GPS right?10:16
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cyrus-n9hey guys is there any easy-way to install java on harmattan?10:33
djszapi_cyrus-n9: have you tried the arm version provided by oracle?10:36
vladestLava_Croft: but it has usb, right?10:38
cyrus-n9djszapi, neverheard about it.thnx, ill try10:39
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djszapi_vladest: yes10:40
vladestdjszapi_: so, it may be possible to connect gps to its usb10:41
djszapi_vladest: perhaps. How much would that consume?10:43
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vladestdjszapi_: no idea yet. another option - connect bt dongle and connect to external gps receiver10:45
vladestdjszapi_: btw. how to connect qnam finished(QNetworkReply * reply) with qeventloop quit() ?10:45
djszapi_bt consumes a lot unfortunately.10:45
vladestdjszapi_: i've got Object::connect: No such signal QNetworkAccessManager::finished(QNetworkReply * reply)10:46
vladestdjszapi_: more than gps?10:46
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djszapi_vladest: I was asking about gps because I do not know that.10:46
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djszapi_there is such a signal, so your code may be doing something wrong.10:47
vladestdjszapi_: there was a table on ans symbian site, where gps consuming was about 50mA on Nokia phones10:47
vladestbut this for chip10:48
vladestdjszapi_: code: connect(&manager, SIGNAL(finished(QNetworkReply * reply)), &loop, SLOT(quit()));10:48
vladestreply is not needed10:48
vladestok. qnam finished() doesnt invoked too10:51
djszapi_is this inside a Q_OBJECT?10:53
djszapi_class method, that is.10:53
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vladestdjszapi_: yes, sure. as I've said - this code works fine on harmattan and symbian10:55
djszapi_it should work10:55
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djszapi_there is definitely such a signal, so that warning cannot occur, if you satisfy the requirements of connecting.10:56
vladestdjszapi_: i've fixed the warning10:56
vladestdjszapi_: but finished() not fired10:57
djszapi_have you checked for errors?10:57
vladestdjszapi_: how? its neve returns from event.loop()10:57
djszapi_well, there is an error signal as well.10:58
vladesthmm. will try to quit from loop by timeout and check error10:58
djszapi_in addition, you could also follow the progress, and so forth.10:59
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rzrdjszapi, hi11:48
rzrdjszapi,  i am thinking about visiting irland soon11:48
djszapi_rzr: oh?11:49
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rzrdjszapi, yes i am considering this for sept 7-2011:50
djszapi_I am leaving Ireland on the 21st of September.11:50
djszapi_to first Italy, and then Switzerland.11:50
rzris camping suitable at this period ?11:51
djszapi_make sure you have pounds with you, if you plan to visit Belfast.11:51
djszapi_my colleague had some difficulties with EUR in there.11:51
djszapi_there are no seasons in Ireland. XD11:52
rzrweather ?11:52
djszapi_it is almost always the same, except that the summer is more rainy than the rest.11:52
djszapi_weather is about 15 C11:52
djszapi_Unfortunately, I do not much about Dublin.11:53
rzrthere are boats to cork11:53
rzryou live in dublin ?11:53
rzri am wondering who are the other maemoers in this country11:54
rzrdid u met them ?11:54
Sfiet_Konstantindjszapi_: where are you going to switzerland ?11:55
djszapi_rzr: hackers are very scarce here11:55
djszapi_there are local hacker clubs, but it is not something you would hope for.11:55
djszapi_there are hackers there, but in different areas, almost everybody11:56
djszapi_you will see one guy soldering, one programming web, one embedded arm etc11:56
djszapi_so they do not focus there on one topic.11:56
djszapi_Qt is also a very rare tradition here.11:56
djszapi_I was shocked after Helsinki, but that is how it goes anyways. =)11:57
rzru have to set it all up11:58
djszapi_it is hard, if there is no interest12:00
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djszapi_they accepted me to talk about Qt at their meetups, but it would be just one occasion of those.12:00
rzrwhat about linux groups ?12:00
djszapi_that is what I was talking about12:02
djszapi_those are the hacker groups.12:02
djszapi_but it is really hard to be productive there, if everybody has different interests12:02
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djszapi_it is more like working together in a place on different topics12:02
djszapi_so it is more like just a social night12:02
djszapi_not really collaborative techie meeting.12:02
djszapi_like aKademy, QtCS, FOSDEM, etc12:02
dm8tbryou are comparing apples and oranges...12:03
djszapi_not at all12:04
djszapi_we are very productive at Qt meetups12:04
djszapi_local meetups, and you cannot be here.12:04
djszapi_it is more like socializing.12:05
djszapi_rzr: perhaps, we can hold a qt meetup in Dublin and invite people :-)12:05
ZogG_laptopand it should be like that :P12:05
djszapi_why should be?12:05
djszapi_it can be, but it should not.12:06
ZogG_laptopbecause it's about the purpose of meeting?12:06
djszapi_it is just one type of meetups, and many prefer the techie meetups, including me.12:06
djszapi_no, the qt meetups' purpose in Helsinki is definitely not just socializing and drinking12:06
djszapi_it is about getting productive on a topic as well which is in everbody's interest12:07
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djszapi_it is really like a session at a QtCS.12:07
djszapi_or more sesions since it is more than an hour.12:07
rzr<djszapi_> rzr: perhaps, we can hold a qt meetup in Dublin and invite people :-)12:08
rzrcould be possible  yes12:08
djszapi_we could invite the lug people12:08
djszapi_or we could just talk at their meetup12:08
rzrbut my interest would not be qt but metting some irish pple  ...12:09
djszapi_you can do that anywhere, really. :)12:09
rzryes that;s true12:09
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: for me social part is more important. i would like to have more opportunities to meet maemo/meego people for example12:09
djszapi_if that is only your requirement, you can already meet them at the airport :)12:09
rzri have to move from the port to the airport then12:10
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: what did we talk yesterday about?12:10
djszapi_ZogG_laptop: read the log12:10
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: you don't take things in proportions12:10
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: so you say at meeting of 100 people everyone speakup and make leacture for everybody?12:11
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: no12:11
ZogG_laptopand you cna see leactures at internet12:11
djszapi_ZogG_laptop: people stop talking about things, you do not have a clue about.12:11
ZogG_laptopso ALL meetings in first place about SOCIAL :)12:12
djszapi_ZogG_laptop: I have attended to several Qt meetups in different cities, and yes, it was /always/ like qtcs or qt dev days sessions for me12:12
djszapi_I would appreciate if you stop forcing others for your opinion12:12
ZogG_laptopas sharing visions and ideas is social as well12:12
djszapi_by calling them "extreme".12:12
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: where did i force you?12:13
djszapi_no matter how you call them, that is how they like living, and that is more importantly: healthy.12:13
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: ok. let's see. You say something, and you say it like statement(fact), and if i disagree and tell why, i'm forcing?12:14
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djszapi_Have I called you extreme because you go there only for socializing?12:15
djszapi_Have you called us extreme again?12:15
djszapi_I will let you again alone in your argue mode.12:16
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: it's just when you argue with someone you go black\white. And if people do not agree with you, argue with you — you shouldn't take it personal, but you do. like i call you names and saying bad about you? what's wrong man?12:17
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ZogG_laptopPali: sup12:19
rzrdjszapi, I am #wikitravel12:19
ZogG_laptoprzr: djszapi_ btw there is #raspberrypi and #raspberrypi-dev here on freenode12:19
rzrZogG_laptop, #qt-onpi too12:20
ZogG_laptopPali: ping12:20
PaliZogG_laptop, pong12:20
ZogG_laptoprzr: and #mer :)12:20
djszapi_ZogG_laptop: yes, I have used that long ago12:20
ZogG_laptopPali: may i query you?12:20
djszapi_was not useful for me unfortunately.12:20
Paliso, what you need? :-)12:21
rzra rpi12:21
djszapi_he would like to argue :)12:21
ZogG_laptopPali: to query you, and i need nothing :P12:21
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: oh, common!12:21
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: even argue can be respectful, it's pitty you take it personal. I would avoid with doing it with you12:22
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djszapi_Sfiet_Konstantin: Visp and then Randa.12:24
Sfiet_Konstantinoh yeah, I totally forgot about Randa djszapi_12:26
djszapi_I have approached Randa last your through Zurich, I believe. I will approach from Milan this year. =)12:27
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Sfiet_Konstantinyeah, from Zurich, it seems to be quite tricky12:34
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ZogG_laptopElleo: sup13:37
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rzrZogG_laptop, #GtK along apt-file etc in #MeeGo #HarmattaN new Testing shared repo : home:rzr:harmattan:testing #n9 !n950club13:46
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ZogG_laptopi see it's still unresolved13:49
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rZri have to test it then14:02
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rZrZogG_laptop, it installed file14:06
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rZrit's also in legacy repo14:18
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ZogG_laptopas your site is hash tags only i used google to get to the repo :P14:22
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paso i finished it14:56
pai wonder if i should try to get it into the store or not14:56
pai mean, since it packages javispedro glol..14:56
pathat is gpl, and so it would be ok i guess14:57
pawell i can try, it will be free anyway, and i credited him14:57
MohammadAGpa, why are you using glol? :P14:59
ZogG_laptoppa: or you can push to him changes and ask to package it and push to ovi?14:59
Lava_CroftDid Apple ever invent anything?14:59
rZrsuperbranding ?15:00
MohammadAGdeps don't work on store afaik15:01
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rZrno they dont15:02
paMohammadAG, coz i dont want to incept :)15:03
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MohammadAGpa, you don't have to incept to use glol15:03
pathats why i use glol :)15:04
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n9appscomMeeGo/Maemo or Qt-based?15:07
n9appscomWhen publishing in Ovi Store?15:08
ZogG_laptopi think you can set deps, at least irssi installs terminal :)15:08
n9appscomI should included misspellings in keywords, seriously?15:18
ZogG_laptopn9appscom: btw breeze didn't work for me15:19
n9appscomsubmitting to ovi store.. there's tip that i should include misspellings of the keywords15:20
n9appscomwhat happens?15:20
ZogG_laptopn9appscom: i push :install on phone" and nothing happens15:20
n9appscomDid you get connected?15:20
n9appscomI guess you got since that button doesn't appear otherwise15:21
Elleon9appscom: if you're submitting breeze I suspect it'll be rejected unfortunately, there's a QA rule stating that applications can't promote external stores (which is presumaly why the Apps For MeeGo client isn't in the Ovi Store either)15:21
Elleoone of my apps got rejected just because I happened to mention on its official support website that it was also available via Apps For MeeGo15:22
ZogG_laptopn9appscom: i got token15:22
n9appscomOk, I'll try still15:22
pathat is true15:22
pai got my app rejected once, coz i linked the deb on the webpage15:23
TronicElleo: Oh crap, I thought that Harmattan was free of such stupidity.15:23
ElleoTronic: well its Ovi that's not free of that stupidity15:24
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Elleothankfully there's nothing stopping you from installing extra store apps; its just Ovi that won't let you distribute it through the official store15:24
n9appscomI'll try not to advertise .debs, just Ovi Store apps if that would help15:24
Elleothey have the same basic QA rules for harmattan as for Symbian and windows mobile15:24
ZogG_laptopapps4meego has lack of deps system, you need to include stuff in package15:25
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n9appscomZogG_laptop: There's small chance that your breeze was configured for dev user on your phone.. This happens when I run it from Qt Creator15:30
rZrdjszapi, do u similar services as
ZogG_laptopn9appscom: installed and ran as user15:31
n9appscomOther than that, I don't really know what could go wrong.. Token is sent as push notification too, so it works15:32
n9appscomHave you tried installing many apps, sometimes it doesn't work15:33
rZranyone wanna join ?15:34
n9appscomwhat happens when you try to launch the app again.. Nothing should happen if it's configured correctly15:34
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ZogG_laptopn9appscom: i got at feeds that i'm connected16:04
ZogG_laptopn9appscom: nothing happens16:04
n9appscomweird.. have you uninstalled store client or something? the push notification just calls store client with dbus16:07
ZogG_laptopi do have it16:08
ZogG_laptopi don't get notifications afaik, should i see them at all or all that in background?16:08
n9appscomit's just in background16:09
faenilguys give this a look16:10
faenilx: -parent.width*216:10
faenilonXChanged: console.log("x is " + x + " while it should be bound to " + -parent.width*2)16:10
faenilit happens that x and -parent.width*2 in that log message are different :/16:10
* rZr just installed #FusE's #EncFs on #MeeGo/#HarmattaN from testing shared repo please comfirm ok for #n9 !n950club16:16
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pafaenil, i also had some troubles with minuses16:29
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padont remember how i fixed it16:29
faenilmy problem is someone changes the value without emitting a signal imho16:30
faenilthat element is inside a page16:30
faenili push this page, and everything works16:30
faenilthen I push another page which has orientationLock to landscape16:30
pafaenil, put there a positive value, and you will be sure16:31
faenilI keep the phone in portrait, push the landscape only page, the screen rotates, and the X is changed to the wrong value...though I don't understand why :(16:32
faenilpa, ok16:32
ZogG_laptopfaenil: maybe in landscape aix's are the same as in portrait16:33
ZogG_laptopi mean physically they are the same16:34
ZogG_laptopwhile toward you x is y16:34
ZogG_laptopso in landscape you for interface you need y and not x?16:35
faenilthat x is from the page which is underneath, which doesn't have orientationLock16:36
ZogG_laptoptry to make some text and lock it to coner not with x and y and just that it would show x and y ?16:36
faenilI'm already loggin x and y, I think you're misunderstanding my issue ;)16:37
faenilI need a test case for this, let me build one16:37
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MohammadAGMLocaleBuckets is fucking annoying16:56
faenilZogG_laptop, I'm deleting things one by one...16:56
faenilprobably found the issue :) my fault, of course16:58
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faenilyes I have :) yey!16:59
pawhat was it?16:59
ZogG_laptopfaenil: rm -rf :P17:00
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: sup17:00
paby the way is it possible to have a listview of listviews?17:00
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, adding fast scroll to sociality17:00
faenilpa, I was overwriting the value thus breaking the binding, but I couldn't find it because it was actually a NumberAnimation doing so17:00
MohammadAGSadly it adds a group for each name17:00
MohammadAGand then adds all items, to each group17:00
faenilI looked for "element.x" assignments...and couldn't find it :)17:01
bindiguys, any idea why my n9 keeps dropping out of the cell network multiple times a day? tried rebooting, even got a new sim from the carrier17:01
bindiand the same carrier works fine on my other phone17:01
paby the way, i have a number of dated items, and i wold like to group them for months, in a list view (and kind of having a summary row for each month)17:01
pahow would you do that?17:01
rZrdjszapi, so how is going automoc-snapshot ?17:01
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: you mean not per first letter but whole name?17:02
bindii *think* the sim tray might have something going on, I pressed it down and it got a connection, might be a coincidence17:02
pas/for months/ by months17:02
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, yes17:06
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faenilpa, yeah I've used ListViews inside ListViews :)17:13
faenilpa, so yeah it's doable :)17:14
ZogG_laptopfaenil: hey dog, i know you like listviews....17:18
faenilZogG_laptop, had to dish them for nemomobile's media gallery though :/17:18
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faenilZogG_laptop, throw them away17:25
paanother question: is it possible to have just one listview, and multiple delegates, and choose the delegate based on a property?17:40
paor alternatively, having one delegate that does different things depending on a property?17:41
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MohammadAGanyone good at MTF?17:44
MohammadAGsources from Nokia for some apps would really be helpful :/17:45
MohammadAGMTF is the worst documented UI toolkit17:45
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: ping Elop18:11
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: alterego has few sources he wouldn't share but can help with advice :P18:12
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MohammadAGalterego: Do you? :p18:34
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* rZr is recruiting someone for 3 weeks to babysit obs shared repo19:00
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pai was wondering: is it actually possible to create a new qml component in c++ and make use of existing qml components in it, such as rectangles and so fort?19:23
paor does one have to paint it all from scratch?19:23
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djszapi_anybody knowing if it is possible to apply a git formatted patch without git?19:28
djszapi_I am having a release tarball, and someone sent me a patch for trying the Qt5 build.19:28
djszapi_and I would not like to fetch Qt5 from git over my mobile internet now..19:29
djszapi_and the patch is not one-liner either to try manually.19:29
djszapi_hmm, perhaps, it just works. Lemme try.19:32
paso googling for qml refs starts to bring up blackberry pages :)19:32
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djszapi_hmm, nope... That is unfortunate.19:36
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pais it possible to pack some more information into qml listviews sections?19:49
paand if so, from wherecan i extract these data?19:49
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Lava_Croftstupid chart doesnt even mention maemo619:51
pathey also put ubuntu there19:52
paapparently disconnected from everything19:52
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juergbidjszapi_: git formatted patches can be applied using 'patch'. no special handling necessary20:32
djszapi_yep, I just need to figure out how to get the patch from gerrit.20:33
djszapi_I cannot seem to find a way of doing that, unfortunately.20:33
djszapi_I would need to fetch, which requires an existing git repository locally.20:34
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djszapi_rZr: I can help with the qt5 packages, but unfortunately not more.21:00
djszapi_please fix the automoc before your leave.21:00
rZrwhere is your work ?21:01
djszapi_currently in my scratchbox.21:01
rZrok i am thinking of that automoc-snapshot project21:02
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rZrdo u have create it ?21:02
djszapi_we are negotiating an upstream fix for the build for the moment.21:02
rZri can do that tonite21:02
djszapi_I cannot deal with automoc21:02
djszapi_all my harmattan time goes to the Qt5 port, now.21:02
djszapi_and then the qt-components qtquick2 port21:02
djszapi_git: 'remote-curl' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'. -> this is unavailable on Harmattan? :O21:06
djszapi_wow: git version
djszapi_not even "git am" in that version.21:08
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jonni[sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~] > git --version21:34
jonnigit version
jonnigot bored yesterday and ordered me nexus 7, so I would have some reason to implement hostapd on harmattan ;)21:36
djszapi_jonni: that is some custom stuff21:36
djszapi_it is either 1.6.5 or 1.7.6 here21:37
djszapi_unless you use some devkit stuff21:37
jonniwell yes, I've use custom git in my sb env21:37
djszapi_rZr: why don't you delete the old version?21:38
djszapi_why do we need two?21:38
rZri am back21:38
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RzRone problem at time please21:39
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djszapi_RzR: "apt-get install git" picked up the old git version.21:40
RzRwhere is latest one ?21:40
RzRso u want 1.721:42
djszapi_always the latest available.21:42
djszapi_cannot tell why we have two versions there.21:42
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: btw what you think of systemd?21:52
djszapi_ -> any ideas for this?21:53
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RzRdjszapi,  precompiled headers ?21:57
djszapi_RzR: what exactly do you mean?21:57
djszapi_I had the impression QtGui should be gone for Qt5.21:58
RzR.pch ?21:58
RzRwhat that ?21:58
RzRcc1: fatal error: .pch/release-shared/QtGui: No such file or directory21:58
djszapi_there is also this in mkspecs/linux-g++-maemo/qmake.conf: QT += core gui21:58
djszapi_unsure if this should actually be widgets.21:58
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djszapi_RzR: no any clue what that is.21:59
djszapi_or if this should be there, or not.21:59
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi_ is ignoring me? =)22:06
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padoes anybody here somehow design his or her application?22:15
palike formally, using uml or some other modeling method22:15
djszapi_yes, I do.22:16
ZogG_laptoppa: what do you mean desinged?22:16
djszapi_usually white board, and artist/designer applications.22:17
paZogG_laptop, like having any sort of definition of the structure22:17
ZogG_laptoppa: i just improvised with my app :P22:17
padjszapi, but do you use any specific method? or what do you sketch on your whiteboard?22:17
pacomponents? classes? flow?22:18
djszapi_the architecture22:18
paZogG_laptop, yeah, but when it gets a little more complicated, you get in trouble22:18
djszapi_and the ui22:18
pabut through the classes? or waht are the components of your sketches? :)22:18
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djszapi_you need to learn what a software architecture is.22:19
paprobably :)22:19
djszapi_this is the ui design draft I do for instance:
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paany reference?22:19
djszapi_this is not done by any code.22:19
ZogG_laptoppa: that's my ui sucks if you haven't seen it.22:19
ZogG_laptopi still wait wazd help me, but i don't think he would anymore :P22:20
ZogG_laptophe is really goooood in tis22:20
padjszapi_, i mean if i google, i see that most of the people design the architecture through UML diagrams22:21
ZogG_laptoppa: i think the best way is to think of logic22:22
ZogG_laptopeven with paper and pencil22:22
djszapi_pa: argouml is a cross-platform and nice application for that22:22
djszapi_but you do not really do that at brainstormings22:22
djszapi_where all of you just dump the brain content.22:22
djszapi_onto the table, delete something then, re-draw etc22:23
pai mean now i need to put down clear the components i need, coz otherwise things will grow into something unmaintainable and  which structure i will forget in a second22:24
paand yes, it would be cool to have a software for that (or a whiteboard) so that parts can be redesigned22:25
trxi have been googling that for about two hours just now :)22:25
djszapi_this is a simple txt I wrote with my friend.22:25
trxi decided that i should develop such application myself, to suit my needs22:26
djszapi_unfortunately not too detailed.22:26
djszapi_very shallow, but a good start.22:26
payes, thanks!22:27
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djszapi_I mean good start for us22:27
ZogG_laptoptrx: for UI?22:27
trxZogG_laptop no, for creating diagrams of complex software modules and connections22:28
trxwhich will describe the code22:28
trxi have come to a point where i can't connect and visualize all the objects in my head, so i need an extension :)22:29
patrx, hei mate ;)22:30
trxdo you know of any software that will allow me to do that?22:30
trxi can't find any suitable software22:30
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ZogG_laptoptrx: i bet there is something there. but i hope to get version of yours to try :P22:31
patrx, after having studied it at school, i never really tried to use uml. did you?22:31
palike umlet or as djszapi was mentioning argouml22:31
trxZogG_laptop i'll let you know how it goes :)22:31
trxpa nope, never used it22:32
ZogG_laptopi never used uml or learned it i hardly heard of it and hardly know of it22:32
ZogG_laptoptrx: fortran? pascal? i forgot the language you like :P22:32
trxobject pascal/delphi22:32
paerk.. :)22:32
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ZogG_laptoptrx: if you need help and u use C or C++ and can give noob as me tasks i can try to help22:32
padoes it still have begin; end;?22:32
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trxpa yes22:33
pa: )22:33
trxobject pascal is not an ancient22:33
trxit can do everyting C can22:33
ZogG_laptoptrx: but why not C than?22:33
trxbecause obj pas is my "native language"22:34
djszapi_pa: I do not really do that low-level class design22:34
trxand i code faster in it22:34
djszapi_that is what the headers are for, after all22:34
djszapi_you can always browse the headers22:34
djszapi_I do not see how uml would be a good addition to that.22:34
payes i agree22:34
djszapi_it would be actually worse to me since I need to learn a new software22:34
djszapi_and not what everybody else does: header file browsing.22:35
pathats why i was looking for something a bit more higher level.. like some way to nicely sketch the data flow or something like that22:35
djszapi_not to mention, that would be far away the documentation all of a sudden.22:35
djszapi_txt or blackboard works for me.22:35
trxdjszapi_ you cant use headers efficiently for things like complex AI22:35
djszapi_trx: of course, you can use for class representation22:36
djszapi_that is actually their purpose after all.22:36
djszapi_pa: I usually use an artist or design software for the ui though22:36
trxyes, but the connections between them are beyond their purpose22:36
djszapi_I do not use blackboard for that too often.22:36
paah i see22:36
djszapi_trx: so?22:37
djszapi_trx: have you read what I wrote?22:37
padjszapi_, well at the moment my problems are more at backend level22:37
djszapi_I did say, I see blackboard with photo taken, or txt for those.22:37
djszapi_just like the aforementioned link.22:37
ZogG_laptoptrx: where are you from?22:38
pai think its very important to do such things22:38
trxZogG_laptop Serbia22:38
* ZogG_laptop is turning little troll mode22:38
ZogG_laptoptrx: but you don't speak your native here :P22:38
paotherwise, when things get too complex, one loses even the interest in developing further, coz of the mess in the head :)22:39
trxZogG_laptop because at the moment i care if you understand me :)22:39
djszapi_pa: that is what the documentation is for.22:39
ZogG_laptoptrx: same with C22:39
djszapi_very good example:
trxdjszapi_ documentation is not enough in such cases when you want to visualize the links in anything complex and not based on inheritance22:41
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trxthat is how i see it22:41
djszapi_trx: have you seen any documentation with graphs?22:42
djszapi_like the aforementioned?22:42
djszapi_have you actually opened that up?22:42
djszapi_documentation != plain text22:42
trxdjszapi_ can you recommend any software which can produce that?22:42
trxwell that is what pa is looking for22:43
trxand myself22:43
djszapi_those are simple pngs, if you open up yourself...22:43
djszapi_almost any software wrt this can export to that format..22:43
djszapi_you should just really read what I write. :)22:44
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djszapi_I did mention argouml for one.22:44
djszapi_but a graph can be done in many image manipulation programs as well22:44
trxi would preffer interactive graphs which in a "scroll view" which contain links to the object which they represent inside the source22:44
djszapi_it is not quite a rocket science..22:44
trxthat sentence is retarded..22:44
trxlet me rephrase :)22:45
trxi would preffer interactive graphs which are in a "scroll view". Its nodes contain links to the object which they represent inside the source22:45
trxthats what i had planned to create anyway..22:46
paah visio is for making diagrams22:46
djszapi_you planned to reinvent <a href> ?22:47
pai was already going to use dia22:47
djszapi_existing for decades?22:47
trxdjszapi_ yeap, exactly :)22:48
trxa href is obsolete :)22:48
pakivio.. djszapi_ do you know anything?22:49
djszapi_not really, I prefer ascii chart, I am sorry.22:49
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: why you hate me man? =)22:50
ZogG_laptoptrx: tell him that hate is waste of time22:51
trxtelling him that is a waste of time by itself :)22:51
trxplus, i dont care :)22:51
RzRdjszapi, can u update ur kde project to uses automoc-snapshot and push them to home:rzr:harmattan:unstable ?22:52
djszapi_RzR: nope, I do not prefer unstable for the KDE project, I am sorry.22:53
djszapi_we do not unfortunately have too many users, and cannot ask them to waste their time with another repository.22:53
djszapi_it would distract them more unfortunately.22:53
djszapi_However, if you have the automoc-snapshot uploaded, I can try to update my kde packages. Although, I had the impression that should be possible from the webinterface?22:54
djszapi_aka. you could also do that in no time.22:54
djszapi_I am pretty busy now with porting Qt5 to Harmattan.22:54
RzRdjszapi, unstable is the step refore testig22:54
djszapi_I do not accept that concept, I am afraid.22:55
RzRdjszapi, automoc-snapshot is in home:rzr:harmattan too22:55
djszapi_nobody would be happy with changing among unstable/testing/stable/etc22:55
djszapi_it is already good if they try stable.22:55
RzRso use that single repo ...22:56
RzRforget about sub repos22:56
djszapi_unstable/testing/stable/etc would make sense with a lot bigger userbase in my opinion.22:56
djszapi_with such a small userbase like ours, it is just a distraction to deal with all those.22:57
RzRi had to create sub repo because in the base repo some gtk fails to build22:59
RzRi donno why22:59
djszapi_I see.22:59
djszapi_I should probably update the kde packages to 4.922:59
djszapi_I believe, I left them with 4.8 back then.22:59
djszapi_they contain some new features.23:00
djszapi_do not*23:00
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RzRok when is this expected ?23:02
djszapi_not now...23:03
djszapi_I would like to get the Qt5 platform up and running23:03
djszapi_also the qtquick2 components23:03
djszapi_and probably afterwards..23:03
djszapi_no in 2-3 weeks for sure.23:03
RzRrpi ?23:03
djszapi_what with rpi?23:03
djszapi_Qt5 for Harmattan, if that is what you mean.23:04
djszapi_so people can develop applications with Qt5.23:04
djszapi_on Harmattan.23:04
djszapi_rpi is rpi23:04
djszapi_it is not a target system23:04
djszapi_you cannot pretty much do anything with it right away.23:04
djszapi_unless you design a final system where it bases the core.23:04
djszapi_so I will not play too much with it.23:04
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djszapi_I prefer ready made target systems, where I can focus on the application development.23:05
djszapi_like Harmattan, Playbook, and so forth.23:05
ZogG_laptopi want playbook23:06
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faenilZogG_laptop, 16gb version is 179€ here...almost gifted23:09
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faenilpa, known tech shop23:10
ZogG_laptopfaenil: it would cost more with taxes and shipment and i want 4g23:11
faenilMediaWorld, don't know if it's international23:11
faenilZogG_laptop, oh, 4g..23:11
ZogG_laptopafaik it's in canada only now23:11
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ZogG_laptopfaenil: why canada?23:13
faenilbecause RIM is canadian? :)23:13
ZogG_laptopwe are one of the countries we develop some new tech but never get anything23:13
ZogG_laptoplike most of i7 version was invented here23:14
ZogG_laptopand other tech stuff23:14
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ZogG_laptopbut it's always from outside?23:14
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RzRdjszapi, main repo is fuxed now23:19
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djszapi_RzR: goosd23:21
RzRi am investigating23:23
RzRhome:rzr:harmattan:testing is safe btw23:23
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