| n9appscom | djszapi_: have time to test the app? | 00:01 |
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| n9appscom | or someone else? | 00:02 |
| djszapi_ | nope, sorry | 00:03 |
| djszapi_ | building qt5 for your guys :) | 00:03 |
| n9appscom | ok | 00:03 |
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| pa | hello n9appscom | 00:47 |
| pa | so theres someone behind the website :) | 00:47 |
| n9appscom | hey! | 00:47 |
| n9appscom | yeah, definitely someone :) | 00:47 |
| n9appscom | you have time for betatest? | 00:47 |
| pa | cool, even syncgcontacts got into n9apps :) | 00:47 |
| pa | well.. i might have some time, but i lack a device .. :) | 00:48 |
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| pa | i hope to win one with the contest, let see | 00:48 |
| n9appscom | Is it your app? | 00:48 |
| pa | yes | 00:48 |
| n9appscom | I just posted on TMO: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1255405#post1255405 | 00:48 |
| n9appscom | Nowadays, I put everything straight from Ovi Store to n9-apps | 00:49 |
| pa | ah cool :) | 00:49 |
| n9appscom | Do you have account on n9-apps? I could connect you with the dev account | 00:49 |
| n9appscom | Before I waited for developers to submit apps, but that didn't happen unfortunately for most of the apps | 00:50 |
| pa | what do you mean "push notifications are enabled"? | 00:50 |
| n9appscom | There's that thing in settings where you can disable/enable notifications | 00:51 |
| n9appscom | It's are enabled on default | 00:52 |
| pa | ah okay yes i know what you mean | 00:52 |
| pa | your app is pretty cool actually | 00:53 |
| pa | it was something missing | 00:53 |
| pa | ill try to find some time to try it :) | 00:53 |
| Venemo | what app is that? | 00:55 |
| pa | check the tmo thread | 00:56 |
| pa | an app installer for n9 | 00:56 |
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| n9appscom | yep, it's definitely very useful | 00:56 |
| n9appscom | I've been using it myself for sometime | 00:57 |
| pa | you know what would be cool | 00:58 |
| pa | if it could also gather information about what user apps you have installed from the store by hand | 00:59 |
| pa | (i mean, via the store app) | 00:59 |
| pa | or from a4m | 00:59 |
| pa | and list them in your profile in n9apps | 00:59 |
| pa | so that if you reflash | 00:59 |
| pa | you could automatically reinstall everything via n9apps | 00:59 |
| n9appscom | yep, that might be useful if you are heavy reflasher | 01:00 |
| n9appscom | I haven't reflashed once :) | 01:01 |
| pa | well also if you would like to pass ur list to a friend | 01:02 |
| pa | or if u get a new device | 01:02 |
| pa | i mean, even having to do it just once can be a pain, if you have 30"apps | 01:02 |
| pa | 30+ | 01:02 |
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| n9appscom | Well, you can favorite apps on n9-apps so that solves most of the problem | 01:03 |
| n9appscom | On user's profile, there's a list of apps you have liked or favorited | 01:04 |
| pa | ah colol | 01:04 |
| pa | cool :) | 01:04 |
| n9appscom | have you signed up yet? If you sign up, I can connect your account to your app, so you can edit it | 01:05 |
| pa | no, but i can do | 01:12 |
| djszapi_ | seems I forgot how to get the network work in scratchbox :) | 01:13 |
| djszapi_ | anybody got a clue? | 01:13 |
| djszapi_ | -> /etc/resolv.conf was already copied. | 01:13 |
| pa | the registration prompt is a little weird, i must admit :) | 01:14 |
| n9appscom | Of well, I messed it up in latest update | 01:15 |
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| n9appscom | Did you get through registration? | 01:24 |
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| pa | yes eventually | 01:44 |
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| djszapi_ | which devel package installs include files defining GLchar on Harmattan? | 02:25 |
| pa | mesa-something? no idea.. | 02:25 |
| djszapi_ | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/qt5/qtbase/qt5-base] > apt-cache search mesa | 02:26 |
| djszapi_ | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/qt5/qtbase/qt5-base] > | 02:26 |
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| pa | can you ask apt to tell you which package contains GL/gl.h? | 02:27 |
| pa | it should be defined there | 02:27 |
| ieatlint | so apparently harmattan violates apple patents | 02:29 |
| djszapi_ | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/qt5/qtbase/qt5-base] > apt-cache search GL/gl.h | 02:29 |
| djszapi_ | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/qt5/qtbase/qt5-base] > | 02:29 |
| pa | ieatlint, which ones? | 02:29 |
| ieatlint | as does qt | 02:29 |
| djszapi_ | qtcore built fine | 02:29 |
| djszapi_ | qtnetwork built fine | 02:29 |
| djszapi_ | qtxml built fine | 02:29 |
| djszapi_ | qtconcurrent built fine | 02:29 |
| ieatlint | specifically noticed, pinch to zoom, and the "bounce back" at the end of scrolling | 02:29 |
| djszapi_ | qttest built fine | 02:30 |
| djszapi_ | etc from qt5 | 02:30 |
| djszapi_ | I have this left-over opengl issue | 02:30 |
| djszapi_ | and then I could integrate this stuff into c-obs | 02:30 |
| pa | is pinch to zoom apple patent? | 02:30 |
| ieatlint | apparently? | 02:30 |
| pa | i see | 02:30 |
| ieatlint | they just successfully sued samsung for it, and a few dozen other things | 02:30 |
| pa | well i wouldnt mind to have the "spiral to zoom" that older maemos had | 02:30 |
| djszapi_ | pa: 00:27 < pa> can you ask apt to tell you which package contains GL/gl.h? -> how? | 02:30 |
| pa | djszapi, i think apt-file | 02:30 |
| pa | but i dont remember how to use it | 02:31 |
| djszapi_ | there is no such a command | 02:31 |
| ieatlint | yeah, the spiral thing wasn't bad | 02:31 |
| pa | as for the bounce, who cares | 02:31 |
| ieatlint | and it could still be done with one hand on the phone, instead of one to hold it and one to make the gesture with pinch to zoom | 02:31 |
| pa | its probably better without | 02:31 |
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| ieatlint | i disagree, but you can disable it on flickables in qml if you desire | 02:32 |
| pa | djszapi, on ubuntu: /usr/include/GL/gl.h mesa-common-dev | 02:33 |
| pa | on harmattan no idea | 02:33 |
| djszapi_ | there is no any mesa on Harmattan | 02:34 |
| pa | hm then im not sure how to search | 02:35 |
| pa | is there some way to say toolBar: NULL ? | 02:36 |
| pa | hm, nevermind, it wouldnt work anyway | 02:36 |
| pa | i wanted to declare a toolbar in my main.qml, to use in other pages. but how can i avoid letting it appear somewhere in the first page? | 02:37 |
| pa | showToolbar: false seems not to work | 02:37 |
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| beford | w00t | 03:34 |
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| sahib_ | who | 03:36 |
| beford | hai | 03:50 |
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| ghjgfjghjbn2 | i was running N9 QuickTweak on PR 1.2 | 04:50 |
| ghjgfjghjbn2 | oops wrong chan | 04:50 |
| djszapi_ | beford: hi | 05:17 |
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| djszapi_ | http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-August/005828.html -> anybody got a clue with graphics expertise? | 13:01 |
| djszapi_ | hmm, libgles2-sgx-img-dev does not seem to bring GLchar declaration with itself.. | 13:18 |
| faenil | djszapi, I had the same problem with Android's NDK r6, it did not have GLChar declaration! | 13:19 |
| faenil | I just added it of course | 13:19 |
| djszapi_ | BLOLZ | 13:19 |
| pa | but technically shouldnt it be GLbyte? | 13:19 |
| faenil | typedef GLChar char; | 13:20 |
| pa | and GLubyte | 13:20 |
| faenil | should be that | 13:20 |
| djszapi_ | on harmattan, it should be GLbyte yes | 13:20 |
| djszapi_ | on my desktop, there is GLchar | 13:20 |
| faenil | oh don't know about harmattan, sorry :) | 13:20 |
| djszapi_ | faenil: I am uninterested in hacks :) | 13:20 |
| djszapi_ | I am looking for a proper solution upstream | 13:20 |
| faenil | :) | 13:20 |
| djszapi_ | it is most likely a wrong qt ifdeffing. | 13:21 |
| pa | no i mean, stock opengl technically does not define GLchar | 13:21 |
| pa | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenGL_Programming/Basics/NamingConventions#OpenGL_Data_Types | 13:21 |
| djszapi_ | pa: yes, the specification does not support | 13:21 |
| djszapi_ | however certain implementations do support that. | 13:21 |
| pa | ah okay | 13:22 |
| djszapi_ | and the qt header file, as far as I understand, is making branches | 13:22 |
| djszapi_ | for various versions. | 13:22 |
| djszapi_ | I am just clearly speculating :-) | 13:22 |
| pa | the simplest way would be aliasing it to GLbyte | 13:22 |
| djszapi_ | faenil: can you reply to that thread? | 13:22 |
| djszapi_ | for your android case? | 13:22 |
| djszapi_ | so that others take this more important. :) | 13:22 |
| djszapi_ | to fix upstream. | 13:22 |
| faenil | djszapi_, I don't know if it's already fixed in Android's NDK though, so I don't see how my experience would help :/ | 13:24 |
| djszapi_ | faenil: it is about Qt. | 13:24 |
| djszapi_ | but if you had not had problems with Qt, then never mind. | 13:24 |
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| djszapi_ | pa: that header seems to be hard wired a lot to GLchar. | 13:25 |
| faenil | yes problems with Qt, but did not depend on Qt, it was google's fault | 13:25 |
| djszapi_ | so it does not seem to be just fixing one or two ifdefs to me. | 13:25 |
| djszapi_ | the weird issue is that, it works with a tarball from May. | 13:25 |
| * djszapi_ is git blaming | 13:26 | |
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| pa | djszapi, so yeah, maybe you want to alias GLchar to GLbyte so that you will be spec compliant | 13:35 |
| djszapi_ | https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,28334 | 13:35 |
| pa | and the code will compile everywhere | 13:35 |
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| djszapi_ | I do not. | 13:36 |
| djszapi_ | I will leave the correct architectural decision to the people who know the architecture. | 13:36 |
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| Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: Any chance we will see some Sociality update anytime soon? | 13:53 |
| Lava_Croft | I need a sibling for Qneptunea | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | Lava_Croft: It's actually done and stable | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | But I found a way to speed up the friends list by loading 10 images at a time | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | But it fails after 20 avatars | 13:56 |
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| Lava_Croft | Nice! | 14:21 |
| pa | so samsung condemned to pay $1billion | 14:22 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah | 14:22 |
| pa | not bad :) | 14:22 |
| Lava_Croft | eh | 14:22 |
| Lava_Croft | depends on your view of things | 14:22 |
| djszapi_ | can anybody please install the "libgles2-dev"? | 14:24 |
| djszapi_ | and check what files that installs? | 14:24 |
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| rmy | Hello | 14:25 |
| rmy | I need some very specific help related to Aegis and libdevmapper.so.1.02 | 14:25 |
| rmy | I've a connection problem. | 14:25 |
| rmy | It's the same that described here : | 14:26 |
| pa | let see | 14:26 |
| rmy | http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/N9-signond-fails/m-p/1376425/highlight/false#M33937 | 14:26 |
| rmy | I'm not a dev, but advanced linux user. I try to find a solution to fix and solve this bug. | 14:26 |
| rmy | I'd like to avoid factory reset.... | 14:27 |
| pa | djszapi, no such package says apt | 14:27 |
| djszapi_ | pa: heh | 14:28 |
| djszapi_ | perhaps it is a left-over then on my system from Nokia times. ;0 | 14:28 |
| djszapi_ | ;0 | 14:28 |
| djszapi_ | ;) | 14:28 |
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| pa | anyway i wonder why gps consumes so much battery | 14:57 |
| pa | shouldnt itjust receive? | 14:58 |
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| pa | you knwo whats missing | 15:03 |
| pa | a toggle to set/remove the device lock to the current orientation | 15:03 |
| pa | afaik there+s javispedro tool to lock on commandline | 15:03 |
| pa | but no button, right? | 15:04 |
| djszapi_ | what was the harmattan define? | 15:05 |
| djszapi_ | I mentioned that several times on this channel, but cannot find it now :D | 15:05 |
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| djszapi_ | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/qt-mobility/commit/c433463b046b40505915018742170b31cbd18764/diffs?diffmode=sidebyside&fragment=1 | 15:08 |
| djszapi_ | interesting that they have used that. | 15:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: ping | 15:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: why your terminal is still default green? | 15:18 |
| rmy | gasp :/ | 15:19 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rmy: ? | 15:24 |
| rmy | yes | 15:24 |
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| rmy | sorry for "gasp" it was for another room. But "gasp :/" remains : I killed all my mail accounts + possibility of creating new ones.... | 15:25 |
| rmy | my .accounts/account.db-wal has been reseted with size 0. | 15:25 |
| rmy | gasp :/ | 15:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | rmy: just re-create one | 15:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | delete them and add from fresh' | 15:25 |
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| rmy | accounts is not a problem, but accounts.db-wal seems to be the database of icons on the page "create new account" | 15:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | nope | 15:27 |
| rmy | whan i try to create a new account I now have a black screen | 15:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | afaik icon is in account setting | 15:27 |
| rmy | when* | 15:27 |
| rmy | K I'll check. | 15:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't think it's related | 15:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | try to reboot and try to move accounts.db-wal to accounts.db-wal.bck | 15:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | would it create new file or not | 15:27 |
| rmy | ZogG, you seems to have great knowledge. May you please check the initial problem : | 15:28 |
| rmy | http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/N9-signond-fails/m-p/1376425/highlight/false#M33937 | 15:28 |
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| rmy | "try to reboot and try to move accounts.db-wal to accounts.db-wal.bck" -> No need to reboot, just mv accounts.db and accounts.db-wal to accounts.db.back and accounts.db-wal.back and try to configure new mail solve this last issue. | 15:32 |
| rmy | But not the first one ;) | 15:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rmy: just wild guesses | 15:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | rmy: what's the second one(solved) and frist one not solved? | 15:33 |
| rmy | solved : I have now again the icons to crate new accounts | 15:33 |
| rmy | not solved, as explain in link, problem related to aegis and libdevmapper.so.1.02 that does not permitt to launch signond deamon and thus causes problem | 15:34 |
| rmy | I'm not able to retreive or send mails and not able to create new accounts. | 15:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm | 15:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | and reflash is not an option right? | 15:37 |
| rmy | may you all please check something for me, I'm trying to identify bug : what is your md5sum of /usr/lib/libdevmapper.so.1.02 | 15:37 |
| rmy | ZogG : not for the while. | 15:38 |
| rmy | Tryning to solve yes, but trying to identify bug, and trying to solve too. | 15:38 |
| rmy | Will reflash after full rsync + md5sum to check what files changed in Aegis, and i'm not at home now | 15:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | rmy: maybe you should find part of what package llibdevmapper and reinstall it? | 15:39 |
| rmy | libdevmapper is include with phone and aegis (security related) is checking this. | 15:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | rmy: it is from some package | 15:40 |
| rmy | I think (but not sure) that my libdevmapper.so.1.02 may have been corrupted while trying to install gnu parted on my N9 | 15:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | rmy: wait | 15:40 |
| rmy | my md5sum is is 1cce85e30f9c779d9048a3e54719211c | 15:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | 02b7def33b75645bc2c9a9beff263231 | 15:42 |
| rmy | you have the same md5sum that another user on #N9 | 15:42 |
| rmy | he sent me his file | 15:43 |
| rmy | I'll try again to replace and reboot (that was the cause of accounts.db-wal reset) and then re-mv the account.db and account.db-wal | 15:44 |
| rmy | will let you know | 15:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | not a solution i think | 15:44 |
| rmy | why ? | 15:44 |
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| ZogG_laptop | you need to find package that has it in harmattan and reinstall it | 15:47 |
| rmy | Ok. I'll try your solution. Replacing didn't work. | 15:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | it seems rzr failed on building apt-file on harmattan :) | 15:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: around? | 15:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | rmy: it's one of the accounts packages have it | 15:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | but wich one | 15:55 |
| n9appscom | ZogG_laptop: pong | 15:56 |
| rmy | I'm searching what apps include this lib, else gparted, but don't know where to look.... | 15:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | rmy: i think someone had this problem here as well as logs on google saying it | 15:56 |
| rmy | I just unistall gparted via meecatalog, will try to reinstall and see... | 15:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | rmy: what package ruined it and where did you get it? | 15:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: i already asked it on thread on TMO | 15:57 |
| n9appscom | ok | 15:57 |
| rmy | I bet, but not sure it was gnu-parted 2.3.1, download and installed via MeeCatalog | 15:57 |
| n9appscom | ZogG_laptop: I put also answer in there | 15:58 |
| rmy | will have a look on logs after this try. | 15:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: thanks | 15:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: btw for notification you use nokia's push notification servers? or how does it work? | 16:00 |
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| rmy | Still the same after reinstallation of gnu-parted, but I don't think it was the cause : this time the md5sum of my libdevmapper.so.1.02 remains the same | 16:22 |
| rmy | I saw that easy-chroot also install this lib. | 16:22 |
| rmy | If i install it, will it replace the previous one ? How may I force lib replacement ? | 16:23 |
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| n9appscom | ZogG_laptop: Yes, Nokia Notifications API is used | 16:49 |
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| rmy | @ZogG : got to go. Will try to install easychroot and easydebian, as far as it install libdevmapper.so.1.02... and also because i'm intersted with. Will see if that changes something with the aegis problem and let you know there and on N9 forum. | 16:55 |
| djszapi_ | Venemo: o/ | 16:55 |
| Venemo | hey | 16:55 |
| djszapi_ | Venemo: got a nice sleep? | 16:55 |
| Venemo | djszapi_, yeah, pretty nice, considering the night | 16:55 |
| djszapi_ | Venemo: I got closer to the opengl issue | 16:56 |
| Venemo | djszapi_, I came to the conclusion that there are still things which are hard to do in QML | 16:57 |
| djszapi_ | yep | 16:58 |
| Venemo | which then drew me to another conclusion: I should either return to C++, or I should do things a bit differently in QML | 17:01 |
| Venemo | eg. moving some more logic into the shader program could be a solution to make it more efficient | 17:01 |
| Venemo | also, lack of ability to declare enum types in QML is frustrating | 17:02 |
| djszapi_ | Venemo: I had a workaround for that :D | 17:03 |
| djszapi_ | in both of my games. | 17:03 |
| Venemo | djszapi_, really? show me. | 17:03 |
| djszapi_ | Venemo: but hackish :) | 17:04 |
| djszapi_ | but the best I could come up with wrt not so much maintainance. | 17:04 |
| pa | is there a way to define multiple toolbarlayouts somewhere in main.qml, to reuse in some pages? | 17:07 |
| pa | (without letting them show up in the mainpage) | 17:08 |
| djszapi_ | what do you mean by multiple toolbarlayouts? | 17:08 |
| djszapi_ | more toolbar instances? | 17:08 |
| pa | yes | 17:09 |
| djszapi_ | Venemo: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/GamePage.qml#L37 | 17:09 |
| pa | and say in page1 you set toolbarFoo, while on page2 you set toolbarBar | 17:09 |
| djszapi_ | you could still write the enum, but that is how it is anyways with the least maintenance. | 17:10 |
| Venemo | djszapi_, ok, but you know too that it's not really an enum | 17:10 |
| djszapi_ | Venemo: oh really? I have never seen an enum. ;) | 17:10 |
| djszapi_ | pa: what is your problem exactly? | 17:11 |
| pa | nothing, actually i solved it right now | 17:12 |
| pa | tools: otherpage.tools | 17:12 |
| pa | so i can define themin just one place | 17:12 |
| djszapi_ | it is a simple element | 17:12 |
| djszapi_ | you can do whatever with them. | 17:12 |
| djszapi_ | it is not any different from another items. | 17:12 |
| djszapi_ | you can assign an id, and done. | 17:12 |
| pa | no well | 17:12 |
| pa | i was defining these tools in the main.qml | 17:12 |
| pa | just defining it | 17:13 |
| pa | and it was showing up in the middle of some pages | 17:13 |
| djszapi_ | also, you should not define them in the main page | 17:13 |
| djszapi_ | people usually define this in the main.qml | 17:13 |
| djszapi_ | that is also how the documentation writes. | 17:14 |
| djszapi_ | so you should essentially define in the stack window, not the main page. | 17:14 |
| djszapi_ | Venemo: otoh, it works, so why bother. | 17:14 |
| djszapi_ | I did not have to use an even uglier C++ expose for a simple enum. | 17:14 |
| Venemo | that's true. | 17:15 |
| pa | djszapi, yes thats where i was defining tis toolbarlayout | 17:16 |
| pa | and thats the problem it was causing | 17:16 |
| pa | in main.qml = pagestackwindow | 17:17 |
| pa | but then the tools were showing up in my main page | 17:17 |
| pa | without me even defining tools: whatever | 17:17 |
| djszapi_ | visible: false; | 17:18 |
| pa | that looks like an hack | 17:19 |
| pa | and btw yes | 17:19 |
| pa | i was setting showToobar: false | 17:19 |
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| pa | (i am) | 17:19 |
| djszapi_ | it is not hack, if you would like to have a toolbarlayout visible by default | 17:22 |
| djszapi_ | would not* | 17:23 |
| djszapi_ | it is the proper way. | 17:23 |
| djszapi_ | that is what the visible is for after all. | 17:23 |
| djszapi_ | it is more hackish to define what you wrote above, everywhere | 17:24 |
| djszapi_ | in case more pages. | 17:24 |
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| shanttu | i already posted my issue on tmo, but coould someone tell me how to restart the 'Messages' app. I don't want to reboot to get my vkb back. | 17:32 |
| shanttu | killall x | 17:32 |
| pa | by the way is it possible to have an alias for an item id? | 17:32 |
| pa | like a component with two id | 17:32 |
| djszapi_ | no | 17:33 |
| djszapi_ | because id is not a property. | 17:33 |
| pa | ok | 17:33 |
| pa | thanks | 17:33 |
| djszapi_ | shanttu: killall will not work | 17:33 |
| djszapi_ | why cannot you just close as you regularly close applications? | 17:33 |
| djszapi_ | MohammadAG: do you have an N900 around with Fremantle? | 17:33 |
| djszapi_ | faenil: do you have nemo at hand? | 17:34 |
| shanttu | if i close (swipe down) and go back problem exists: not possible to input text on any chat-protocol or sms | 17:34 |
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| djszapi_ | shanttu: you can close from the thumbnail view | 17:35 |
| djszapi_ | and restart the application. | 17:35 |
| djszapi_ | you can close any applications from the thumbnail view | 17:36 |
| djszapi_ | perhaps you can make an introduction tutorial | 17:36 |
| djszapi_ | this beginner tour or how it is called | 17:36 |
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| shanttu | djszapi, good idea, but no success | 17:37 |
| faenil | djszapi, yes | 17:37 |
| djszapi_ | faenil: I would need the output of this: grep -rn glBindAttribLocation /usr/include/ | 17:38 |
| faenil | djszapi_, empty | 17:39 |
| djszapi_ | sorry? | 17:39 |
| faenil | it doesn't print anything | 17:39 |
| djszapi_ | do you have gles2-dev installed? | 17:39 |
| djszapi_ | unsure how that is called on Nemo. | 17:40 |
| faenil | on phone? I don't know | 17:40 |
| djszapi_ | nope | 17:40 |
| djszapi_ | in the development environment | 17:40 |
| faenil | ohh | 17:40 |
| faenil | I was using that command on phone | 17:40 |
| faenil | w8 | 17:40 |
| faenil | djszapi_, /usr/include/GLES2/gl2.h:476:GL_APICALL void GL_APIENTRY glBindAttribLocation (GLuint program, GLuint index, const GLchar* name | 17:41 |
| djszapi_ | faenil: wow, thanks. | 17:41 |
| faenil | and many others | 17:41 |
| djszapi_ | which package provides that? | 17:42 |
| faenil | don't know :/ | 17:42 |
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| faenil | the devel packages I have installed are from qt (qt-devel and qt-mobility-devel) and gstreamer-devel stuff | 17:42 |
| djszapi_ | faenil: lolz | 17:43 |
| djszapi_ | isn't there a dpkg -S /usr/include/GLES2/gl2.h -like command on Nemo? | 17:43 |
| faenil | don't know actually :/ | 17:43 |
| djszapi_ | lol, can you ask your dudes? | 17:44 |
| faenil | yup w8 | 17:44 |
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| faenil | djszapi_, asked | 17:46 |
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| faenil | djszapi_, mesa-llvmpipe-libGLESv2-devel-8.0.1-1.26.armv7hl | 17:51 |
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| djszapi_ | ok, so mesa, great. | 17:53 |
| faenil | djszapi, here's what Sage told me: "faenil: mesa-llvmpipe-libGLESv2-devel should provide that but you should depend on libGLESv2-devel if you need it not from the mesa." | 18:01 |
| djszapi_ | faenil: ok | 18:01 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: there? | 18:25 |
| djszapi_ | ok, the Qt5 port to Harmattan turned out much more difficult than I thought. | 18:40 |
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| pa | javispedro, question: if glol is running, and i kill it (kill/killall), should the orientation go back to normal? | 18:56 |
| javispedro | pa: via SIGTERM, yes | 18:57 |
| javispedro | killing it via SIGKILL will not cause orientation to revert until app restarts | 18:58 |
| pa | shouldnt killall send sigterm by default? | 19:00 |
| pa | i mean, at least on normal linuxes it does | 19:01 |
| pa | i dont know if the harmattan one comes from busybox and does something else | 19:01 |
| javispedro | yes, it should send sigterm | 19:02 |
| pa | ah actually it works | 19:03 |
| pa | but not for the terminal where glol was invoked | 19:04 |
| pa | that one remains stuck with the orientation set by glol | 19:04 |
| pa | javispedro, do you mind if i make a toggle for glol, and repack the binary with it? free, ofc | 19:05 |
| javispedro | and gpl | 19:05 |
| javispedro | several people have done it already | 19:05 |
| pa | well i+ve seen one | 19:05 |
| pa | are you aware of more? | 19:05 |
| javispedro | at least three people told me over here they were doing one | 19:06 |
| pa | ok, but i found only one available | 19:06 |
| pa | (that is not so good) | 19:06 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: when you come, just leave here a message with the meecast weather provider you are using and whether the issue is that sowatch shows Celsius instead of F despite saying F in the watch. | 19:19 |
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| ZogG_laptop | n9appscom: still around? | 19:53 |
| faenil | how would you read the metadata of an image using Qt? | 19:55 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i bet there is something ready for use out-of-box... so i bet on google | 19:57 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, I'm not that lazy :P | 19:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | so you didn't find? | 19:58 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/qtmultimediakit.html#MetaData-enum ? | 20:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: http://olliwang.com/2010/02/05/using-qmeta-to-extract-exif-data-in-your-qt-applications/ | 20:01 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qimageiohandler.html | 20:01 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, of course I did find.. | 20:01 |
| faenil | I was asking for opinions... ;) | 20:01 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: is it related to taking photos or just getting info? | 20:02 |
| faenil | just getting info | 20:02 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, QMeta is an external thing, QImageIO doesn't give you info, and MetaData is just an enum :) | 20:03 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, QImageReader::size() is the only useful bit I've found so far... | 20:05 |
| faenil | I want to avoid building a whole model using things like DocumentGalleryModel qml | 20:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i found for video qml example | 20:06 |
| faenil | that probably uses documentgallery with video rootType set | 20:06 |
| faenil | I'm using file RootType, because I want to show both videos and images | 20:06 |
| faenil | and qml doesn't suppport that out of the box | 20:06 |
| faenil | so this is causing a mess | 20:06 |
| faenil | because I don't have media metadata available using File rootType | 20:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/video-qmlvideo-qml-qmlvideo-videometadata-qml.html | 20:07 |
| n9appscom | ZogG_laptop: yep | 20:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/qml-documentgalleryitem.html ? | 20:09 |
| faenil | documentgalleryitem is a nice thing | 20:10 |
| faenil | I haven't understood how that works | 20:10 |
| faenil | it seems it requires a model to be built...because it needs an "item" id | 20:10 |
| faenil | I haven't found any piece of code using DocumentGalleryItem, only a music player which already has a model built | 20:11 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, about qml video, I'm already using it, I need info for images in fact ;) | 20:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | did you try to use same for image as for video | 20:11 |
| beford | ZogG_laptop: got a tracking number :D | 20:13 |
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| ZogG_laptop | beford: i got one for rpi :P | 20:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: mazal tov | 20:15 |
| beford | you bought one too? | 20:15 |
| beford | I got one still no tracking number | 20:15 |
| beford | xD | 20:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: it would be in 2 weeks here :P | 20:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | i hope if customs wouldn't fuck it up as they always do | 20:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: ^ | 20:16 |
| beford | mine was sent from Canada yesterday, its in Miami already | 20:17 |
| beford | :p | 20:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | mine from USA i think | 20:18 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, you can't invent properties :D | 20:19 |
| faenil | qml video has metdata, qml image doesn't :) | 20:19 |
| faenil | dinner ready, back later :) | 20:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i mean if you treat image as video | 20:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | bon appetite | 20:20 |
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| beford | hah Whatsapp actually added an error message to their server that says "wazapp-not-supported" | 20:33 |
| hiemanshu | lol | 20:33 |
| javispedro | their attitude towards 3rd party clients was already know | 20:35 |
| beford | mm just typed 123 on the sms activation code and it worked, not sure if it worked because I used wazapp once | 20:38 |
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| pa | jesus christ, the animation of pagestack.replace() gives me headache | 20:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: where? | 20:51 |
| javispedro | pa: I think there's an overload that does not do the animation | 20:51 |
| javispedro | pa: check the docs | 20:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: add me to jabber and wazapp. i want to send you bug reports at lonely nights | 20:52 |
| pa | ah thanks | 20:52 |
| pa | hm cant see overloads | 20:53 |
| javispedro | hm | 20:53 |
| javispedro | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-pagestack.html#replace-method | 20:53 |
| javispedro | it's a parameter =) | 20:54 |
| javispedro | immediate | 20:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: i wanted to ask how is metawatch and how is it recharging it once a week? | 20:54 |
| pa | aha, thanks :) i feel so newbie now :p | 20:55 |
| javispedro | ZogG_laptop: recharging it once a week is nasty, but kind of works for me | 20:55 |
| javispedro | ZogG_laptop: problem is recharging daily or even more often -- that I won't do | 20:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: i'm thinking to buy after it would be avilable for customers | 20:55 |
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| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: if you use them 24/7 how many days it can handle? | 20:55 |
| javispedro | you are not going to press buttons on it for 24/7, aren't you? ;P | 20:56 |
| javispedro | expect around 4 days | 20:56 |
| javispedro | that is what I get. | 20:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | is it good as a normal watch as well(like is it watch + gadget ) or it gadget on hand more | 20:56 |
| javispedro | it is said the strata one has bigger battery, but I have no idea if it will improve lifespan or what | 20:56 |
| javispedro | ZogG_laptop: it is very bad as standalone watch, even the UI to set date/time is horrible | 20:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: did you get one on kickstart? isn;t it strata? | 20:57 |
| javispedro | no, I got dev units a year ago | 20:57 |
| javispedro | *unit | 20:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: can be main soft updated edited easly or only addons for features? | 20:58 |
| javispedro | the watch's actually very stupid | 20:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | i thought kickstart is kinda de thing | 20:58 |
| javispedro | it mostly just shows whatever the phone tells it to show | 20:58 |
| javispedro | so all of the logic is actually on the phone app | 20:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think it should be watch first of all + features :P | 20:59 |
| javispedro | well, it's good enough as a watch for me but do consider that without a phone it will be basically useless | 21:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | than i'll give some time for market to get more and more firms to pop-up so it would use better technology | 21:00 |
| javispedro | will keep on updating the hour but that's about it | 21:00 |
| javispedro | (oth without a phone it'll last for more than a week =) ) | 21:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i want it with phone otherwise i'll buy e-ink watch | 21:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | so it would last more | 21:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | or digital that would last years :P | 21:02 |
| javispedro | e-ink on a watch is currently $1500 or more | 21:02 |
| javispedro | probably won't reach your hands for a few years | 21:03 |
| javispedro | I give it ~5 years | 21:03 |
| beford | pebble is supposed to be "e-paper" or so I understood from their video | 21:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: not until i rob the bank | 21:04 |
| javispedro | (ignore that "other" watch who says it has an "e-paper" screen. that's not actually e-ink rather it is the same screen as used on the metawatch) | 21:04 |
| javispedro | beford: see above | 21:04 |
| beford | hah | 21:04 |
| beford | timing | 21:04 |
| beford | :P | 21:04 |
| javispedro | screen on the metawatch is rather nice and quite low power | 21:04 |
| javispedro | only problem is the mirrorish effect | 21:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | thats why they call it e-ink and not e-paper | 21:04 |
| javispedro | I think you meant the opposite ;P | 21:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: true :P | 21:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: once i went to buy mp3 player and wanted cowon, but they didn't have and they tried to sell me mp5 player :P | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | they said it's better quality and shit like that | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | i know only mp5 guns :P | 21:06 |
| javispedro | this marketing works | 21:06 |
| javispedro | compare pebble's & metawatch's kickstarter projects | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i almost believed how he told me about it, i even checked wiki if i was missing the new revolutioning | 21:07 |
| javispedro | one got a few million, the later $300,000 | 21:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | which one was first | 21:07 |
| javispedro | on kickstarter, pebble | 21:07 |
| javispedro | which one had actually been shipping prototypes to devs and released the firmware on github? | 21:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: i saw about pebble in some huge russian It site, while i learned about metawatch from you :P | 21:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: metawatch :P | 21:08 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles put it best, MetaWatch's marketing has been awful so far. | 21:08 |
| javispedro | or non-existing | 21:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's the problem with FOSS | 21:08 |
| javispedro | they have quite a team on board (e.g. bill geiser susan kare even) and no one heards about them | 21:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | as FOSS belivers and open source iea guys sucks in managing things like that | 21:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | people think if they do something awesome everyonne would like it and share it. while it's easier to spread a word with ads and internet even without creating anything at all | 21:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | just my thouhgts | 21:10 |
| beford | I think the ui on the metawatch needs somework.. http://images.gizmag.com/inline/metawatch-strata-13.jpg | 21:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: i think you need some work :P | 21:11 |
| beford | ;( | 21:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: what was about "123" activate code? | 21:11 |
| javispedro | note though that the metawatch has two binary blobs, so it's not entirely foss | 21:12 |
| javispedro | the bluetooth stack (replacement project is btstack, which kinda works if only wastes more power and ROM space) | 21:13 |
| beford | yea, to start using whatsapp they send an sms with the activation code, I just typed 123 and it worked for me, maybe because I had used wazapp before on this phone | 21:13 |
| javispedro | and the compiler (replacement project is gcc , but it does not compile programs larger > 16KB ) | 21:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: nope, i don't think it's related :P | 21:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: why wouldn't it compile apps more that 16 KB and why they have closed source one in first place? | 21:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: is it SDK? or you compile on watch? | 21:15 |
| javispedro | ZogG_laptop: "compile on watch" are you crazy? =) it's just a microcontroller | 21:16 |
| javispedro | it's a current gcc limitation for the msp430 port | 21:16 |
| javispedro | msp430's have up to 20 bits program addresses | 21:16 |
| javispedro | but gcc msp430 will only support 16bits | 21:16 |
| faenil | has anyone ever used DocumentGalleryItem? | 21:16 |
| javispedro | ZogG_laptop: the closed source compiler is TI's, the give it for free along with the metawatch | 21:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | or, than it's not that bad | 21:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | or=oh | 21:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: btw you can try to search in github, i do that if i want examples | 21:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i like it when they have badass quality computer parts in movie but you still can see that this is not real human | 21:25 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, thanks ;) no useful results though :/ | 21:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | :\ | 21:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i'll ask my friend maybe he know | 21:29 |
| faenil | thanks ;) | 21:29 |
| faenil | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?223414-load-a-particular-file-using-QGalleryItemRequest | 21:30 |
| faenil | none answered there :/ | 21:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: we'll know in few seconds if he knows :P | 21:32 |
| faenil | :) I'm sure that it requires a document gallery...but I don't understand how to use it from QML | 21:32 |
| faenil | I mean, if I have a document gallery I can get info with gallerymodel.get(intex).property | 21:33 |
| faenil | don't see why I should use a DocumentGalleryItem | 21:33 |
| faenil | that's what's not clear to me | 21:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I kind of get why their marketing is weak, since it's still mostly a product for developers. | 21:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | he doesn't know that class so no help | 21:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | he said to use C++ | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I don't see why they haven't been pushing it in open source circles. | 21:40 |
| djszapi_ | any native English speakers around? | 21:40 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: compared to what? =) | 21:41 |
| javispedro | the other products do talk about wonderful features for the iphone but they are subject to the same limitations MW is | 21:42 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, ok :/ | 21:43 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, thanks ;) | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, they don't have a friendly way to update the watch, the watch firmware is still in active development, the MWM is still maturing, etc. | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Their competitors are perhaps more invested in hype. | 21:43 |
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| javispedro | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/touchtime/touch-time-digital-watch-with-touch-screen | 21:44 |
| javispedro | more hype | 21:44 |
| javispedro | this one says 1year battery life, but does not even say anything about the phone side | 21:44 |
| javispedro | oh | 21:44 |
| javispedro | because it doesn't have a phone side :/ | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you see David Rosales' video with him wearing two STRATAs? | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the hell purpose does that serve? | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: i think he tests it with 2 phones he has | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: i know one guy who has 2 regular watches :P | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I got really excited about wearing two watches (with 1 phone) and having different sets of information on each. | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then realized what a dork that'd make me look like. | 21:46 |
| javispedro | meh | 21:46 |
| javispedro | I am old enough to remember the day having a smartphone was dork. | 21:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | as he got from Argentina so he keeps one for Argentina Timezone. Don't ask why :P | 21:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: do you have 2 metawatch? | 21:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: old like? | 21:47 |
| javispedro | old like 10 years =) | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | ZogG_laptop, when I get my STRATA in November. | 21:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Alright. Back to work. D: | 21:49 |
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| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: and other is normal one? or other one?? | 21:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | you probably had one that is not strata | 21:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: ok, nice day | 21:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: sup | 21:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: ^ | 21:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: what error you had ? | 21:56 |
| beford | <beford> hah Whatsapp actually added an error message to their server that says "wazapp-not-supported" | 21:57 |
| beford | when trying to register that's it | 21:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: but for some reaon code 123 worked for him | 21:57 |
| tgalal | aha | 21:58 |
| tgalal | i wonder how they know its wazapp, i suppose its user agent? | 21:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: i think it's coz we keep getting to update for new version | 21:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | and they may changed the way to get token(or how you get and approve secret) | 21:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: try the version that u used as base for registration | 22:00 |
| tgalal | i see, i know they're doing major changes | 22:00 |
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| tgalal | and btw, i'm expecting current wazapp to be blocked soon | 22:01 |
| tgalal | i've been working on reversing the new protocol version though | 22:01 |
| beford | oh yea, I just used 123 as sms activaction code and it "worked" but maybe it was because I used it (when registration worked ok) before reflashing? | 22:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: i dont think so. but who knows | 22:02 |
| tgalal | beford: yeah thats how "magic button" works actually | 22:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: we need to block whatsapp before they block us :P | 22:03 |
| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: exactly :D | 22:04 |
| tgalal | aha | 22:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: :P | 22:05 |
| tgalal | asap* | 22:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: the funny think how many resources they use instead of just make harmattan's client :P | 22:05 |
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| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: yeah well, I have to admit though they were right about it, given the path nokia recently took | 22:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: i don't think it would be hard to make an app. it would cost less and you'll get all money back with 1$ for use or what is the cost today? | 22:10 |
| djszapi_ | anybody interested in testing my qt5 packages? | 22:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: send them that we are using iphone7 prototype client :P | 22:12 |
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| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: but after all i think they'll win the war | 22:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw i think as well TMO would be full of BS while they block it :P | 22:20 |
| Kozzi | or "N9 user here, you can't stop us, mwahaha" | 22:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi: would it come with solutions? | 22:21 |
| Kozzi | nah, I don't use whatsapp so it doesn't really matter | 22:22 |
| Kozzi | with whatsapp blocking wazapp, wzapp thread in tmo will surpass all those PR1.* threads | 22:24 |
| tgalal | lol | 22:24 |
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| ZogG_laptop | btw is Chucknorris on it? | 22:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | one of the most epic threads i think was PR1.2 on n900 or was it Pr1.3? | 22:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | the first one of the epic threads | 22:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | it was few of them i even think | 22:28 |
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| Kozzi | can't remember those but it was quite funny reading the N9 Nokia Worlds announcement thread. | 22:38 |
| javispedro | it's not the first time whatsapp blocks a third party client | 22:42 |
| javispedro | they have quite a violent stance against them | 22:42 |
| javispedro | (half of the reason I would never use any of their crap services...) | 22:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | javispedro: what clients were out there ? | 22:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think it was WIP app for droid and wazapp only | 22:45 |
| javispedro | not for N900 | 22:46 |
| tgalal | javispedro: they are actually changing ther protocol in a major way, and fron | 22:49 |
| tgalal | and from currenyprogress | 22:49 |
| tgalal | current progress* | 22:49 |
| tgalal | i'm expecting old one to be deprecated real soon | 22:49 |
| javispedro | meh, agps doesn't work without SIM on n9/50 | 22:50 |
| tgalal | so its not about blocking third party on purpose | 22:50 |
| tgalal | at leasy this time | 22:50 |
| tgalal | least* | 22:50 |
| javispedro | tgalal: major? it's still jabber? | 22:50 |
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| tgalal | javispedro, yeah but it is encoded by whatsapp, and they changed authentication | 22:51 |
| tgalal | on all platforms | 22:52 |
| tgalal | their encoding method changed a bit as well | 22:52 |
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| javispedro | this is interesting | 22:53 |
| javispedro | so they tune a bit the authentication and obfuscation layers, and quickly force the change upon every of their clients instead of doing it the slow way? | 22:54 |
| javispedro | either they want to get rid of 3rd parties or something big security wise happened | 22:54 |
| pa | hm | 22:55 |
| pa | yeah interesting | 22:55 |
| pa | maybe it's time of an openwhatsapp | 22:55 |
| pa | one cant rely on some commercial company that decides to make the app for this or that platform onlny | 22:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: and any progress on decryption? any help noobs like me can provide? | 22:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think next error can be "you-got-the-balls,ah?" | 22:59 |
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| Kozzi | phako: ping | 23:01 |
| tgalal | ZogG_laptop: auth is only remaining, ill soon put the obfuscated code chunk in the thread | 23:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: do not hurry up | 23:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | tgalal: i think you should do like itsnotabigtruck. he wayted for pr1.3 to release new inception | 23:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | as re-write is still in progress | 23:03 |
| Kozzi | I don't think tgalal should wait for pr1.4... it might take some time | 23:03 |
| Kozzi | jk ;) | 23:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean to wait till whatsapp finish major update | 23:04 |
| pa | do you know whether current screen orientation is being wrtten also in gconf or /proc? | 23:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: what do you want to do?? | 23:05 |
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| pa | need to make a better toggle for glol | 23:07 |
| pa | the one i found sucks | 23:07 |
| pa | and if it would be possible, i'd do it in bash :) | 23:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | use in qml option? | 23:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | glol? | 23:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | what is glol? | 23:08 |
| pa | yes javispedro screen lock tool | 23:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: ask MohammadAG how he did toggle or chekc if source is there | 23:10 |
| pa | cool, echo 0 >/sys/devices/omapdss/display0/rotate freezes the gui :) | 23:10 |
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| pa | ah cool.. but i dont want to incept to use those cool toggles | 23:10 |
| Kozzi | any idea how coderus managed to add extensions to statusbar without inception ? | 23:11 |
| pa | i was just wondering if i can detect the orientation without going through QmSystem/QtWhatever | 23:11 |
| Kozzi | the orientation lock doesn't work with apps like firefox or opera though | 23:11 |
| pa | if it would be written in gconf or /proc, i could make a bash toggle | 23:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi: ask him | 23:13 |
| pa | where is he? only on twitter? | 23:13 |
| pa | well ok i can make a python tool for that i guess | 23:14 |
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| ZogG_laptop | pa: jabber | 23:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | not lately though but you can catch him their | 23:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | but why not talk to MohammadAG, you was one to affraid about him | 23:16 |
| pa | thats true :) | 23:16 |
| pa | but i mean i know how to lock the orientation | 23:16 |
| pa | and probably also how to detect the orientation in qt | 23:16 |
| pa | (via api) | 23:16 |
| pa | thats probably what MohammadAG uses | 23:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | he has option to auto/portrati/ladnscape | 23:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | landscape* | 23:17 |
| jonni | and my baby lock app also has options for auto/portraid/landscape ;) | 23:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i think he wants system wide | 23:20 |
| jonni | well my app was system wide just like glol, but does he want wider? | 23:21 |
| pa | jonni, yes but its not free ;) | 23:21 |
| pa | checked that one | 23:21 |
| pa | and since i have no kids, i dont wanna pay yet for that :p | 23:21 |
| jonni | pa: heh, well there is free trial ;), ofcourse if 1e bankrupts then glol is better option | 23:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: you can install babylock and lock with it your app :P | 23:22 |
| djszapi_ | I am the one of those few people with free applications? :P | 23:22 |
| pa | well, it+s mostly i dont want to bother setting up payment ont he store | 23:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: you are pirate :P | 23:22 |
| djszapi_ | lol | 23:22 |
| djszapi_ | jonni: well, if I was paying 1 EUR for everything I try. | 23:22 |
| pa | :) | 23:23 |
| djszapi_ | then I would certainly get down after a while. :D | 23:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: free trial is a FREE trial | 23:23 |
| djszapi_ | I am providing free applications, and I also prefer those. | 23:23 |
| pa | ZogG_laptop, trial is also a trial | 23:23 |
| djszapi_ | indeed, trial is a trial | 23:23 |
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| djszapi_ | we could say this the other way around: | 23:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: you try it and if you like you pay | 23:24 |
| djszapi_ | if 1 EUR makes you millionaire. :-) | 23:24 |
| pa | ZogG_laptop, lets put it this way: there is free alternative, and also a free alternative toggle, that kinda works, but kinda sucks too | 23:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: if you job doesn't make you millionaire why u work? | 23:25 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: because I am an open source free software hacker | 23:25 |
| djszapi_ | I provide free applications, and I also prefer those. | 23:25 |
| djszapi_ | I see no problems with that. | 23:25 |
| djszapi_ | especially if the situation is as pa says: there is a free alternative. | 23:25 |
| pa | no but the api showcase do that | 23:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: but on other hand if app worth it — it worth it. | 23:25 |
| pa | i just have to understand how to do it in qt/python | 23:26 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: why would it be worth it, if there is a free alternative? | 23:26 |
| djszapi_ | if you dislike the money, I can send you my bank account. :-D | 23:26 |
| djszapi_ | and likely that, people like me will rather create a free alternative for paid stuff | 23:27 |
| djszapi_ | if needed. | 23:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: not always there is free alternative and it not always good as original | 23:27 |
| djszapi_ | if you wanna get by applications, you should not target Harmattan anyways. :D | 23:27 |
| pa | ah so.. qtmobility uses euler angles? | 23:27 |
| pa | interesting :) | 23:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: i bought few games on harmattan actually | 23:27 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: there has always been for my use cases, I am sorry to discourage you. | 23:27 |
| pa | probably they thought it+s not a problem to put n9 in gimbal lock :) | 23:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | SpeedX for example | 23:28 |
| djszapi_ | disappoint* | 23:28 |
| pa | ZogG_laptop, im still looking for another N9 to unlock those free levels on angry birds :p | 23:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: i prefer free and even open source, but i always respect dev work and time. | 23:28 |
| jonni | pa: just put your N9 against your passport :) | 23:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: there is app that does that, lol | 23:29 |
| pa | aha! thanks for the tip! that might wort 1€ :) | 23:29 |
| beford | I used bus' card from my city | 23:29 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: please do not intentionally misinterpret me | 23:29 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: into a bad person who do not respect the developers. | 23:29 |
| djszapi_ | it is really not about that. | 23:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: i didn't say that. i just see you as little bit extreme in this | 23:29 |
| djszapi_ | so what? | 23:30 |
| djszapi_ | preferring free applications is extreme? | 23:30 |
| djszapi_ | really? | 23:30 |
| djszapi_ | especially if I provide free applications? | 23:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't like extreme on any side | 23:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's OBV everyone prefer free apps | 23:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | you was talking about always searching for alternatives | 23:31 |
| pa | hm | 23:31 |
| djszapi_ | has never had any need for paid applications, really. | 23:31 |
| pa | my pass is chipped, but it doesnt work | 23:31 |
| pa | lets try bus card | 23:31 |
| beford | make sure nfc is enabled | 23:31 |
| beford | :P | 23:31 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: please donate then for my games you paid | 23:31 |
| djszapi_ | show you prefer my developer time. :) | 23:31 |
| pa | yea just turned it on | 23:32 |
| djszapi_ | you played* | 23:32 |
| djszapi_ | and respect ;) | 23:32 |
| pa | bus card works: ) | 23:33 |
| pa | beford, thanks for the tip :) | 23:33 |
| beford | heh nice | 23:33 |
| pa | maybe i have some single use one to unlock last level | 23:34 |
| beford | oh yea, I had to use different cards for each set of free levels | 23:34 |
| djszapi_ | 21:30 < ZogG_laptop> it's OBV everyone prefer free apps -> no, it is not obvious | 23:36 |
| djszapi_ | someone prefers to pay, if there are more features available etc. | 23:36 |
| djszapi_ | someone prefers to build one for the need as a free application, and then publish | 23:37 |
| djszapi_ | people vary, there is no obvious about this. It is healthy that way. | 23:37 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, DocumentGalleryItem did it...awesome component :D | 23:38 |
| djszapi_ | not to mention, you are not even getting the source code in certain cases for the paid applications. | 23:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: now you can paste examples :P | 23:43 |
| faenil | yup :D | 23:43 |
| djszapi_ | in fact, that is the majority. | 23:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: true but i don't play your games :) | 23:44 |
| djszapi_ | you have done.. | 23:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: all i care is how app made and support | 23:44 |
| djszapi_ | well, I do care about open sources. | 23:45 |
| djszapi_ | especially if I pay for the applications... | 23:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: i played your game to test it and reported you problems i saw. not more than that :P | 23:45 |
| djszapi_ | so you do not respect the developer time then? :P | 23:45 |
| djszapi_ | anyways, my applications are free and open source. I do not need any donation. | 23:46 |
| djszapi_ | one of them is even localized to many languages which I cannot really say about the vast majority of the Ovi applications. | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: your apps are cool and nice, but not the level of paid once. let's say speedX or gravityguy vs yours. it's not about yours are bad or something, they are cool. and i believe that FOSS is better in improvement and stuff. but still some cases are just need that. like for example games or movies or music | 23:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | arcean__: sup my man :P | 23:49 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: orange and apple are not comparable, true... | 23:49 |
| djszapi_ | ask a person who would like to play hangman game | 23:49 |
| djszapi_ | whether he prefers hangman or speedX | 23:49 |
| djszapi_ | I believe, your comment above was rude. | 23:49 |
| djszapi_ | like russians where the hangman game is traditional. | 23:50 |
| djszapi_ | and they were dying for one. | 23:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: i'm russian | 23:58 |
| djszapi_ | so? | 23:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: it's not about that. my point if you was working on making games (i mean like your real job) you would make them not free and you could have more time to make them better | 23:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | simple like that | 23:58 |
| djszapi_ | like I said above, some people prefers features, some people prefer applications. | 23:59 |
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