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| faenil | hi guys | 00:10 |
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| faenil | has anyone already compiled qtgstreamer on harmattan? | 00:11 |
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| rzr | faenil, have you tried ? | 00:18 |
| djszapi_ | faenil: why do you need that? | 00:20 |
| faenil | rzr, I built qtgstreamer, now I'm building the qmlplayer example | 00:21 |
| djszapi_ | There are projects wrapping gstreamer already. | 00:21 |
| faenil | and I get undefined reference :/ | 00:21 |
| faenil | djszapi_, i.e? | 00:21 |
| beford | can i join your device program djszapi_? | 00:21 |
| faenil | qtgstreamer is the official wrapper, don't know what you mean | 00:21 |
| djszapi_ | faenil: ie Phonon | 00:21 |
| djszapi_ | unsure about QtMultiMedia | 00:21 |
| djszapi_ | but Phonon for sure | 00:21 |
| faenil | QtMultimedia is also built on gstreamer | 00:22 |
| djszapi_ | beford: I will send you the link once it enters the public. | 00:22 |
| faenil | but since it isn't bugfree at all (to say the least) | 00:22 |
| faenil | I wanted to try with qtgstreamer, which is the official qt wrapper, and already has a qml plugin | 00:22 |
| faenil | better than that? :) | 00:22 |
| rzr | <djszapi_> beford: I will send you the link once it enters the public. | 00:25 |
| rzr | ping me too , it may arrive before my rpi :) | 00:25 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: ok =) | 00:26 |
| faenil | djszapi_, device program? :D | 00:26 |
| beford | faenil: its full already | 00:26 |
| faenil | what was it about? | 00:26 |
| beford | no idea | 00:26 |
| beford | xD | 00:27 |
| faenil | lol | 00:27 |
| djszapi_ | it is about kittens | 00:27 |
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| faenil | yesss qtgstreamer's qmlplayer example now starting! :D | 01:01 |
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| rzr | congratz | 01:04 |
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| rzr | faenil, let me rebuild it on obs :) | 01:04 |
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| djszapi_ | faenil: "official qt wrapper"? | 01:04 |
| djszapi_ | so what is phonon, non official? | 01:04 |
| rubdos | Hi everyone. I'm using QML quick stuff, experimenting. Looks cool. Now I want to add a 'header' like the Settings app has on top with the Settings string in it.Is it a standard component? | 01:05 |
| djszapi_ | because you said so ? :) | 01:05 |
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| djszapi_ | rubdos: nope | 01:05 |
| djszapi_ | it is a label | 01:05 |
| djszapi_ | let me find my application for an example | 01:05 |
| rubdos | djszapi_: Thanks! | 01:06 |
| faenil | djszapi_, I did not talk about phonon, I just reported what I read on a news posted by qtgstreamer's guy | 01:07 |
| faenil | rzr, have to play with it a bit and go to bed, can we talk about it tomorrow? ;) | 01:07 |
| djszapi_ | rubdos: my internet is slow unfortunately. :( | 01:08 |
| djszapi_ | but it is just a label | 01:08 |
| rubdos | djszapi_: I already tried a rectangle with a label :P But I can't get it the same way as the 'Settings' app and the 'SDK connector' App etc | 01:08 |
| djszapi_ | rubdos: you can check out kanagram/khangman in kde edu | 01:08 |
| djszapi_ | if you look for that on the internet | 01:08 |
| djszapi_ | and then harmattan folder | 01:08 |
| djszapi_ | there is a settings page in there | 01:08 |
| djszapi_ | perhaps you could copy and paste | 01:09 |
| djszapi_ | and then customize | 01:09 |
| rubdos | okay, many thanks | 01:09 |
| djszapi_ | you can see screenshots in ovi how it looks like | 01:09 |
| rzr | faenil, sure take your time | 01:09 |
| djszapi_ | even with MTF | 01:09 |
| djszapi_ | it is not possible without a label unfortunately. | 01:09 |
| djszapi_ | faenil: unsure why that person reinvented the wheel :D | 01:10 |
| djszapi_ | but if he feels it is cool, I am happy for him. | 01:10 |
| djszapi_ | the point is to be happy for everybody after all. | 01:10 |
| djszapi_ | rubdos: it is just the matter of styling. | 01:11 |
| djszapi_ | you can style the label that way. | 01:11 |
| pa | if i want to draw vertical text with a qpainter, and i want to do it in a rectangle, after i rotate the qpainter, how do i have to specify the rectangle? vertical or horizontal? :) | 01:12 |
| faenil | I guess there 's a reason why that became gstreamer's official qt wrapper, don't you think? | 01:12 |
| faenil | http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/ | 01:12 |
| rubdos | djszapi_: I'm searching the edu repositories :p | 01:12 |
| djszapi_ | rubdos: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/khangman/repository | 01:13 |
| rubdos | djszapi_: Yeh, already found it, just in need to find the right file :P It's midnight and my English is veeery bad :) | 01:13 |
| rubdos | BTW, what's a 'Flickable' component? :P (I'm quite new :p | 01:14 |
| rubdos | ) | 01:14 |
| djszapi_ | rubdos: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/khangman/repository/revisions/master/changes/src/harmattan/MainSettingsPage.qml | 01:15 |
| rubdos | (Already had that one, sorry. My internet was faster ;) ) | 01:15 |
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| rubdos | Already recompiling ;) | 01:16 |
| rubdos | djszapi_: A big big thank you!! | 01:16 |
| djszapi_ | recompiling? | 01:16 |
| djszapi_ | you do not need that for qml. | 01:16 |
| rubdos | no, I meant installing on device with Qt Creator | 01:17 |
| rubdos | I'm getting close to the result with that... | 01:17 |
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| djszapi_ | you could consider a simpler workflow | 01:20 |
| djszapi_ | simply just modifying the qml file and test. | 01:20 |
| djszapi_ | you would not need to rebuild, package, and so forth. | 01:20 |
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| rubdos | I'll have a look at that another time :p work tomorrow :p | 01:31 |
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| rubdos | tomorrow = today, actually | 01:32 |
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| djszapi_ | gnight | 01:32 |
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| rzr | wtf https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23harmattanfreedomfighters | 02:23 |
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| HtheB | Estel_ | 02:40 |
| HtheB | you there? | 02:40 |
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| Estel_ | HtheB, pong | 03:08 |
| HtheB | check #maemo | 03:08 |
| tehdely | who hangs out in #maemo vs. #harmattan | 03:08 |
| tehdely | mostly N900 users? | 03:08 |
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| Estel_ | tehdely, mostly geeks that talk about replacing chips on devices, instead of flash games :P | 03:36 |
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| jussi | is there a way to migrate all my settings and text messages and phonebook from my n950 to my new N9? | 09:52 |
| TheBootroo | hi ! which dbus service can i call from Qt to get missed calls count ? and voicemail count ? | 09:53 |
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| TheBootroo | anyone ? | 11:02 |
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| djszapi_ | TheBootroo: sup | 11:08 |
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| khertan | Morning | 11:10 |
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| TheBootroo | djszapi_: hi | 11:18 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi_: i'm looking for a way to get missed calls count and voicemail count for C++/Qt in Harmattan, eventually using DBus calls, i can't find any documentation or example for it | 11:19 |
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| djszapi_ | TheBootroo: yep, it is not too well documented. | 11:26 |
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| Aard | TheBootroo: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/libcommhistory/annotated.html | 11:33 |
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| clau | any clue if I can send a system wide notification equivalent to a network connection event? | 11:42 |
| clau | I want to do it after openvpn connects | 11:42 |
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| clau | right now the notification is sent only when the network connection comes up and mail check fails before openvpn is connected | 11:43 |
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| TheBootroo | Aard: oh you're here too ! thanks for the link | 11:46 |
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| HtheB | damn it ptl, check ur connection | 13:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | u can hide those if you have problems seeing it | 13:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | check config of our client | 13:10 |
| valdur55 | Damn... i have problems with mp4 videos | 13:14 |
| valdur55 | Video is to slow and sound is OK | 13:15 |
| HtheB | ZogG_laptop, using communi, doesn't have any options | 13:15 |
| HtheB | valdur55, convert it | 13:16 |
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| djszapiN9 | valdur55, can verify that on my n9 | 13:17 |
| djszapiN9 | also with oyher formats. | 13:18 |
| djszapiN9 | other* | 13:18 |
| djszapiN9 | HtheB, leave a review | 13:18 |
| HtheB | use kmplayer | 13:18 |
| HtheB | or ovp | 13:18 |
| HtheB | kmplayer works great with all my videos | 13:19 |
| valdur55 | videosheetplayer can't plau | 13:19 |
| valdur55 | and kmplayer have this issue | 13:19 |
| valdur55 | with mplayer | 13:19 |
| HtheB | did you select your player? | 13:19 |
| HtheB | gstreamer | 13:20 |
| HtheB | or UPDATED mplayer? | 13:20 |
| valdur55 | mplayer: Installed: 2:1.0svn20111001- | 13:20 |
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| valdur55 | with gstreamer -same issue | 13:21 |
| HtheB | youre using an old version | 13:21 |
| HtheB | mplayer_1.0svn20120427-1_armel.deb | 13:21 |
| HtheB | thats the new one | 13:22 |
| HtheB | use it ;) | 13:22 |
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| HtheB | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/10034/mplayer_1.0svn20120427- 1_armel.deb | 13:23 |
| HtheB | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/10034/mplayer_1.0svn20120427-1_armel.deb | 13:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | use proper config for it | 13:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | HtheB: use irc-chatter and ask Venemo for feature :P | 13:23 |
| HtheB | for n950? | 13:23 |
| HtheB | how is the ui :p | 13:23 |
| HtheB | i really love the minimalist ui on communi | 13:24 |
| HtheB | :p | 13:24 |
| djszapiN9 | HtheB, well, you can leave a review or tolerate it. | 13:25 |
| djszapiN9 | you cannot really expect those people acting according to your wish. | 13:25 |
| HtheB | a review where? | 13:25 |
| djszapiN9 | wherever you got from | 13:26 |
| HtheB | i didnt get you djszapiN9 | 13:26 |
| HtheB | im happy with communi ;) | 13:26 |
| pa | yeah! | 13:26 |
| djszapiN9 | what is the problem then? You seem contradictory. | 13:26 |
| pa | 3rd app published :) | 13:26 |
| HtheB | I wasn't having a problem at all :p | 13:27 |
| djszapiN9 | You are trying to address a problem from a wrong angle. | 13:27 |
| HtheB | i was just telling ptl that he should check his connection | 13:27 |
| HtheB | keeps rejoining every couple minutes | 13:27 |
| djszapiN9 | please do not. | 13:27 |
| pa | http://store.ovi.com/content/305913 | 13:27 |
| HtheB | so ZogG_laptop told me that i could disable it | 13:27 |
| djszapiN9 | tons of people do that, for instance from India. | 13:28 |
| HtheB | but I cant because communi doesnt support it :p | 13:28 |
| HtheB | thats all | 13:28 |
| djszapiN9 | like I said, tolerate or leave a review. | 13:28 |
| HtheB | ugh, I guess you just fail at understanding | 13:28 |
| HtheB | :) | 13:28 |
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| pa | tho i honestly i doubt that this app will have many users :D | 13:36 |
| pa | only me and some other crazy people | 13:36 |
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| pa | ad i already see i will receive complaints coz users dont know how to use it | 13:37 |
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| valdur55 | pa, what app? | 13:38 |
| rzr | M4rtinK, around ? | 13:38 |
| pa | valdur55, a downloader for google contacts | 13:39 |
| valdur55 | ok. | 13:39 |
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| phako | pa: welcome to ovi hell | 13:40 |
| pa | :) | 13:40 |
| valdur55 | ID_VIDEO_CODEC=ffh264 - to big? | 13:42 |
| rzr | djszapi, i need some obs psychiatric help | 13:42 |
| rzr | whats wrong w/ | 13:43 |
| rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=armv7el&package=boxar&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Atesting&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 13:43 |
| louisdk | Hi. When I plug in my headset from my Nokia N9 into my Thinkpad T61p running Ubuntu 12.04 x64 the sound is pretty low untill I press a button on my headset (where the mic is). Does anyone had a similar problem and does anyone know how I can get louder sound without pressing that button? I had a similar problem with my headset form my Nokia N900. | 13:43 |
| rzr | dpkg: libgtk2.0-bin: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you requested: | 13:43 |
| HtheB | louisdk, thats normal | 13:45 |
| HtheB | because it has a mic in it. the plug is different | 13:45 |
| HtheB | you need a special cable to rearrange the plugouts | 13:45 |
| djszapiN9 | pa expect some funny reviews. | 13:45 |
| HtheB | otherwise,just use a rubberband to hold the button :D | 13:45 |
| djszapiN9 | pa there is switcher app for the chat without ui | 13:46 |
| djszapiN9 | the icon jist switches you on and off | 13:46 |
| djszapiN9 | very cool | 13:46 |
| djszapiN9 | and people left reviews it does not even launch :p | 13:46 |
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| djszapiN9 | rzr, I am on my phone. Cannot unfortunately check atm. | 13:47 |
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| djszapiN9 | rzr, my N9 does not load the page for reasons in grob. | 13:52 |
| djszapiN9 | some* | 13:52 |
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| rzr | ok | 14:04 |
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| djszapi | rzr: that link does not load even on my desktop PC. Wonder, if it works for others? | 14:55 |
| rzr | well the problem is w/ dpkg | 14:55 |
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| rzr | dpkg: libgtk2.0-bin: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you requested: | 14:56 |
| rzr | libgtk2.0-bin depends on libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2:2.12.9-0osso1); however: | 14:56 |
| rzr | Package libgtk2.0-0 is not installed. | 14:56 |
| rzr | You don't have immodules directory for version 2.4.0. | 14:56 |
| rzr | Use default version instead. | 14:56 |
| rzr | Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.14.0.../usr/bin/find: `/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.14.0/immodules': No such file or directory | 14:56 |
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| rzr | while that package is available | 14:56 |
| rzr | i might miss something | 14:56 |
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| djszapi | "You don't have immodules directory for version 2.4.0." -> ? | 15:02 |
| djszapi | it is mentioning 2.14 below. | 15:02 |
| djszapi | not 2.4 | 15:02 |
| rzr | yes | 15:02 |
| rzr | but <rzr> Package libgtk2.0-0 is not installed. | 15:02 |
| rzr | why ? | 15:02 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk%2B2.0&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard -> this is segfaulted by the way. | 15:06 |
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| rzr | i am not on that repo | 15:07 |
| rzr | harmattan:testing is building gtk | 15:07 |
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| rashm2k | what does this mean? | 16:04 |
| rashm2k | passing const xxxxx as this argument of xxxxx discards qualifiers? | 16:04 |
| rashm2k | I'm just calling a c++ function from Qt | 16:04 |
| rashm2k | once i add const keyword onto the end of the method this fixes this error | 16:05 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | normal | 16:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rashm2k: it is about methods that let the object constant or not | 16:06 |
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| djszapi | rashm2k: do you understand what const means? | 16:07 |
| djszapi | for a method? | 16:07 |
| rashm2k | I think so | 16:07 |
| rashm2k | it means the returned value cannot be changed | 16:07 |
| djszapi | nope | 16:07 |
| rashm2k | the pointer address cannot be changed | 16:07 |
| njsf | Does anyone know how to add pauses and digits to send after call is established on the N9 ? Contacts will not allow , to be entered. I don't even know if the telephony supports it | 16:08 |
| djszapi | it means what Sfiet_Konstantin wrote above | 16:08 |
| djszapi | rashm2k: it means the method does not change the object | 16:08 |
| djszapi | what you call teh method on. | 16:08 |
| djszapi | the* | 16:08 |
| djszapi | rashm2k: you can have a void return value for a const method as well. | 16:08 |
| njsf | rashm2k: NO, const qualifier for a method means the object state is not changed | 16:09 |
| njsf | ie, no data member (unless marked mutable) can be changed | 16:09 |
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| njsf | this means that a const object pointer can only be used to invoke const methods | 16:10 |
| njsf | and the this pointer on a const method is also by definition a const pointer | 16:10 |
| rashm2k | ah I see | 16:11 |
| rashm2k | let me try to explain it in my own terms and you can tell me if I am correct | 16:11 |
| rashm2k | these methods I am calling are called from the ListModel data(int role) const method | 16:13 |
| rashm2k | so since the data(...) method is CONST | 16:13 |
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| rashm2k | ANY methods it calls must ALSO be const | 16:14 |
| djszapi | correct | 16:14 |
| njsf | yes | 16:14 |
| djszapi | and logical. | 16:14 |
| rashm2k | and CONST means the state of the class is not changed by calling this method | 16:14 |
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| rashm2k | ??? | 16:15 |
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| djszapi | make sure you understand what "state" means. | 16:15 |
| djszapi | njsf described that above. | 16:15 |
| djszapi | rashm2k: are you new to C++? | 16:15 |
| rashm2k | yeah | 16:16 |
| djszapi | rashm2k: I have some good books describing these things. | 16:16 |
| djszapi | if you are interested in. | 16:16 |
| rashm2k | I have read the books | 16:16 |
| rashm2k | but until you do it in real life | 16:16 |
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| rashm2k | you don't really understand it | 16:16 |
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| djszapi | well, it is not a rocket science :) | 16:16 |
| djszapi | and books are good for looking up a topic like this. | 16:17 |
| rashm2k | isn't that what this channel is for ;-) | 16:17 |
| rashm2k | hehe | 16:17 |
| djszapi | for C++ support? | 16:18 |
| rashm2k | I've got quite a few books myself | 16:18 |
| rashm2k | it's just finding the time to read them | 16:18 |
| rashm2k | I don't use c++ as my daily programming language | 16:18 |
| rashm2k | mostly SQL, C# etc. | 16:18 |
| djszapi | reading books are really a good thing, and worth the time. | 16:19 |
| djszapi | rather reading an article about a topic than struggling many times with the same in practice. | 16:20 |
| rashm2k | I have read part of the bjourne strap book | 16:20 |
| djszapi | that is your problem. ;) | 16:20 |
| djszapi | it is not too hefty.. | 16:20 |
| djszapi | it is too hefty..* | 16:20 |
| djszapi | for a newcomer. | 16:20 |
| djszapi | Usually, newcomers read a more newcomer-friendly material. | 16:21 |
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| djszapi | like you do not read the opengl API directly while learning graphics. :) | 16:21 |
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| rashm2k | I like to understand the workings properly and how it works underneath the hood | 16:22 |
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| rashm2k | if I can understand what the assembly language would look like then I'm good | 16:22 |
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| djszapi | I believe, this causes the troubles for you. | 16:23 |
| djszapi | you should first understand the basics from a book, that is written directly for newcomers. | 16:23 |
| djszapi | once everything is clear in there, you can dive in more. | 16:23 |
| rashm2k | I was too busy doing wireless netoworks, optics, VHDL etc at uni only did one c++ course | 16:23 |
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| rashm2k | any good book recommendations? | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | a c++ book? stroustroup | 16:24 |
| djszapi | rashm2k: you can even grab one of the Qt books. | 16:26 |
| rashm2k | got the stroustroup book | 16:27 |
| djszapi | rashm2k: http://qt.nokia.com/learning/certification/exams/preparation-prerequisites/qt-curriculum/core-cpp-for-qt-developers/materials | 16:29 |
| djszapi | I have read all of those. Some of them are quite hefty. | 16:30 |
| djszapi | but soem of them should be alright'ish, and fine for Qt application development. | 16:30 |
| djszapi | some* | 16:31 |
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| njsf | For introductory material, Lippman's C++ Primer is the standard IMO | 16:37 |
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| djszapi | rzr: unsure about testing. It may be dangerous to work with more than one repository though on OBS. | 16:39 |
| djszapi | I would be happy if I got one work at times. :) | 16:39 |
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| rashm2k | anyone know of a QML (or Qt) countdown example? I need to show the time remaning in days, hours minutes and seconds and possibly months | 18:32 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | rashm2k: should be easy | 18:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rashm2k: wait a sec I'm gonna write one | 18:34 |
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| djszapi | rashm2k: I wrote that | 18:36 |
| djszapi | and works fine for both of my apps | 18:36 |
| djszapi | rashm2k: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/khangman/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/GamePage.qml#L198 | 18:37 |
| djszapi | you need two timers unfortunately. | 18:38 |
| djszapi | I have extended the qelapsedtimer in Qt5, so there will be a need only for one. | 18:38 |
| djszapi | but that is it for Qt4. | 18:38 |
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| Arkenoi | hmm, my skype client just stopped working, "wrong username or password", ok on desktop | 18:40 |
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| rashm2k | that was quick | 18:49 |
| rashm2k | you wrote that in 60 seconds | 18:49 |
| Arkenoi | works now | 18:51 |
| * Arkenoi wonders what happened | 18:51 | |
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| Arkenoi | again, now | 18:53 |
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| djszapi | rashm2k: sorry? | 18:54 |
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| rashm2k | just kidding | 19:06 |
| djszapi | did not get the joke, but ok :) | 19:06 |
| rashm2k | in QML why is qsTr("xxxxx") used for text: rather than just "xxxxx"??? | 19:07 |
| djszapi | I would suggest reading the qml introduction. | 19:07 |
| djszapi | http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/4.8/qdeclarativei18n.html | 19:07 |
| deram | why would one want to use translations.. | 19:08 |
| djszapi | deram: to localize the software.. | 19:09 |
| deram | oh my.. | 19:09 |
| djszapi | as the users actually request in Ovi. | 19:09 |
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| rashm2k | alright | 19:15 |
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| rashm2k | I've never looked at i8n, never needed it | 19:15 |
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| aquarius | Elleo, ping about tizmee | 19:21 |
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| Elleo | aquarius: pong? | 19:22 |
| aquarius | Elleo, would it be very very hard to put tizmee apps on the front screen directly? So you didn't necessarily know that they were TizMee-powered? | 19:23 |
| Elleo | aquarius: yeah, I'm planning on doing that in a future version | 19:24 |
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| aquarius | Elleo, cool | 19:24 |
| Elleo | aquarius: at the moment the launcher applies some hacks directly in to the html files at start up | 19:24 |
| aquarius | it feels like tizmee could be very cool indeed. :) | 19:24 |
| Elleo | but I'm rewriting some of the underlying stuff so that that can be handled more neatly within the main webkit process | 19:24 |
| aquarius | there is obviously a bunch of prior art on ways to do that, since everyone does it :) | 19:25 |
| aquarius | addJavaScriptInterface and whatnot | 19:25 |
| Elleo | after that it's just a matter of spitting out .desktop files for each app | 19:25 |
| Elleo | aquarius: yeah, that's what I wanted to do originally but realised it'd need some rewriting of the cordova core stuff first unfortunately | 19:26 |
| aquarius | can an app install itself as a handler for downloaded files? So you'd download a .wgt on the n9 and the "tizmee installer" would start up and add it to front screen? | 19:26 |
| Elleo | since they've used the qml webview component, whereas I need to be able to implement a qgraphicswebview subclass that overrides some bits and pieces to handle everything neatly | 19:26 |
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| Elleo | aquarius: hopefully, I'm hoping I can just register it as a mime type handler and have it launch when you click a .wgt in the download screen | 19:27 |
| Elleo | haven't really looked in to that side of things though | 19:27 |
| aquarius | Elleo, superb | 19:27 |
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| Elleo | if I'm quick the next version will support more stuff than the official tizen runtime :P | 19:28 |
| aquarius | is there a tizen app store? and does it have open APIs? :) | 19:28 |
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| Elleo | (the released tizen versions don't do geolocation or webgl yet) | 19:29 |
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| LuPo | hi | 19:29 |
| Elleo | aquarius: that's a bit of a problematic issue at the moment; no one in the tizen consortium seems willing to really talk about what app stores are going to be like | 19:29 |
| aquarius | heh. | 19:30 |
| aquarius | add tizen apps to apps-for-meego? :) | 19:30 |
| Elleo | the consortium is basically leaving it to OEMs to implement whatever stores they like | 19:30 |
| LuPo | not sure whether this is right channel for my question: a friend of mine mis-erased the partition table on his harmattan N9 phone. Would it be possible for anybody to share with me a N9 Harmattan partition table so that I can restore it? | 19:30 |
| Elleo | LuPo: would doing a full reflash not work? | 19:30 |
| LuPo | I wanted to save data | 19:30 |
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| LuPo | he's got photo and stuff on that partition | 19:31 |
| Elleo | aquarius: and no OEMs are saying anything (not even Samsung), and not even on really important topics like whether or not they'll be permitting native EFL apps in their stores or not | 19:31 |
| LuPo | just the first 512B could do the job | 19:31 |
| javispedro | LuPo: the N9 will not boot without a valid partition table, so how are you going to fix it? :P | 19:31 |
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| LuPo | well, the phone boots and recognizes all partitions (cache, system, userdata, etc) but not the user partition | 19:32 |
| LuPo | it says it's free | 19:32 |
| LuPo | and by looking at the first 512B of the table it looks like empty | 19:32 |
| Elleo | aquarius: I also need to add support for the Symbian web runtime style of packaging while I'm at it, since they're basically the same deal only storing metadata in json instead of xml | 19:33 |
| LuPo | My guess is that it's using some kind of failsafe partition for booting | 19:34 |
| LuPo | so I thought that by restoring the original partition table, would do the job | 19:34 |
| Elleo | aquarius: also, if you were willing to package a .wgt up in a deb and depend on tizmee then add a quick line to the postinst to run the tizmee app installer you could probably package things up nicely for apps for meego | 19:34 |
| aquarius | Elleo, ya: there are about fourteen formats which are "html + css + js files, + a metadata file, in a zip" | 19:35 |
| Elleo | oh, except apps for meego doesn't support dependencies properly yet | 19:35 |
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| Elleo | that might be more doable on Nemo where it could sit in the shared middleware repository though | 19:35 |
| aquarius | Elleo, that (packaging a deb) would be wonderful if it could be done without a harmattan dev environment (that is: you provide precompiled files and something just plugs them together) | 19:35 |
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| Elleo | aquarius: yeah, it'd probably be fairly easy to make a little webservice to do it for you | 19:36 |
| javispedro | aquarius: Madde does it | 19:36 |
| Elleo | I'm not volunteering to right now though ;) | 19:36 |
| aquarius | Elleo, if you need a harmattan dev env to make the debs then you lose half the benefit of getting to write apps in HTML which is that you do not have to care about compiling things ;) | 19:36 |
| aquarius | javispedro, does it? without a harmattan dev env? QtSDK is a huge great big thing; I thought MADDE relied on you having installed all that? | 19:37 |
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| javispedro | aquarius: the full environment is used for building stuff (headers, etc.) | 19:38 |
| aquarius | Elleo, how big is tizmee? It seemed rather small to me (which is great) -- could just include it in every app rather than depending (which means that you can add newer versions, patches, etc; this is useful for phonegap) | 19:39 |
| aquarius | er, cordova :) | 19:39 |
| Elleo | aquarius: the next version is going to be *much* bigger | 19:40 |
| aquarius | Elleo, oh. darn :) | 19:40 |
| Elleo | the next version will be about 20mb since I'm including my own build of qtwebkit in it | 19:40 |
| aquarius | ! | 19:40 |
| Elleo | only way to get webgl support unfortunately | 19:41 |
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| aquarius | blimey | 19:41 |
| Elleo | along with some other smaller improvement | 19:41 |
| Elleo | improvements* | 19:41 |
| aquarius | I don't care anything like enough about webgl to ship a whole browser with my app, but I suppose others do ;-) | 19:41 |
| Elleo | heh | 19:41 |
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| Elleo | aquarius: at least one good side-effect came out of that though, I learnt enough about webkit to put together a tiny app that allows you to use the amazon cloud reader :) | 19:43 |
| Elleo | and even managed to port it to symbian since its pretty much all pure Qt+QtWebkit stuff | 19:43 |
| aquarius | Elleo, man, that's annoying, that it needs a whole webkit and it can't just use the system one. That makes TizMee less attractive, in my opinion (not that my opinion matters more than a fart in a hurricane since I'm not lifting a finger here to help ;)) | 19:43 |
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| Elleo | aquarius: well it only needs it on Harmattan, hopefully future platforms will have webgl support built-in ;) | 19:44 |
| aquarius | heh, "future platforms" | 19:44 |
| Elleo | I have faith in Jolla | 19:45 |
| Elleo | s/faith/desperate hope/ | 19:45 |
| infobot | Elleo meant: I have desperate hope in Jolla | 19:45 |
| aquarius | I don't suppose you'd consider having tizmee-with-system-webkit (tiny) and tizmee-with-new-webkit (large, extra features) as separate things? :) | 19:45 |
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| Elleo | aquarius: maybe | 19:45 |
| aquarius | I have a lot less faith in Jolla since I found out that they're not targeting the N9 :( | 19:45 |
| aquarius | since I consider it unlikely that anyone else will make hardware as nice, given that no-one else has managed it up to now. :( | 19:46 |
| Elleo | I expect there's not too much commercial future in trying to target another manufacturer's phone though | 19:46 |
| Elleo | but certainly the n9 has some of the nicest aesthetics of any phone | 19:47 |
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| Elleo | aquarius: also just because the Jolla folks aren't officially supporting the N9 doesn't mean there isn't some benefit, since a number of them contribute to Nemo which can be installed on the N9 if you're feeling adventurous | 19:48 |
| aquarius | Elleo, oh, I understand the reasoning, I just think that Nokia's investment in industrial design is unlikely to be met by a project with less money (since it hasn't been met by many projects with more money, up to now); it won design awards, etc :) | 19:49 |
| Elleo | I doubt they'll be contributing whatever they're new UI idea is back to Nemo though | 19:49 |
| aquarius | *nod* | 19:49 |
| Elleo | yeah | 19:49 |
| Elleo | their* | 19:49 |
| aquarius | also, I'm already out on a pretty thin limb running my N9 at all. Running a Jolla port to Nemo on the N9 is a bit too far out onto the cracked ice even for me ;) | 19:50 |
| Elleo | heh | 19:50 |
| Elleo | I'm running Nemo on my old n900 now for testing bits and pieces | 19:50 |
| Elleo | and its shaping up quite nicely | 19:50 |
| Elleo | platform-wise that is, in terms of apps there isn't much | 19:51 |
| Elleo | since its mostly only odd people like me that bother porting anything to it at the moment | 19:52 |
| aquarius | it does seem that way, indeed, but I've only got one phone, so I can't afford to sod it up, and after being burned alive by Cyanogen I'm loath to be too experimental :) | 19:52 |
| Elleo | heh, yeah | 19:52 |
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| rzr | M4rtinK, hi again | 21:16 |
| rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1254610#post1254610 | 21:16 |
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| pa | is it normal that ugrading an app completely erase the QSettins? | 21:35 |
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| ieatlint | no | 21:42 |
| pa | i dont know why it happens with my app then.. | 21:43 |
| pa | need to investigate | 21:43 |
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| Venemo_N9 | pa, perhaps the parameters to access the settings changed? | 21:47 |
| Venemo_N9 | like company name or app name or something | 21:47 |
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| djszapi_ | pa: what do you mean by completely erase the QSettings? | 21:54 |
| djszapi_ | you mean the setting files are gone? | 21:55 |
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| pa | hm, i havent checked that exactly, but htey get resetted to default in the app | 21:56 |
| pa | i should check if the file is gone, next time | 21:56 |
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| faenil | vladest, ping | 22:14 |
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| Arkenoi | damn phone just dropped the whole tracker database on the floor. no contacts, no messages. | 22:25 |
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| * Arkenoi wishes that idiot who invented storing it there altogether gets gangrene | 22:26 | |
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| djszapi_ | Venemo: hi, how are you today? | 23:00 |
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| Venemo | djszapi_, better, thanks. | 23:00 |
| vladest | faenil: pong | 23:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | djszapi_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPfEntyxJTg | 23:01 |
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| djszapi_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: cannot check youtube from mobile internet :/ | 23:01 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, it was just "Wing stock", by Ashley Macisaac, on the album "Hi, how are you today" :) | 23:03 |
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| faenil | vladest, here's better | 23:08 |
| faenil | guys, does anyone know how to get rid of "QGLWindowSurface: Flushing to native child widget, may lead to significant performance loss" ? | 23:08 |
| faenil | it's coming from QML Video | 23:08 |
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| faenil | mm no idea I guess :D | 23:16 |
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| vladest | faenil: trying to recall | 23:18 |
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| vladest | faenil: ok, graphicssystem is default | 23:19 |
| vladest | faenil: main class is child of QDeclarativeView | 23:19 |
| vladest | faenil: and for harmattan called: setViewport(new QGLWidget); | 23:20 |
| vladest | thats it, afaik | 23:20 |
| faenil | vladest, so you had to call setViewport with QGLWidget | 23:22 |
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| Arkenoi | hmm. i copied meta.db to a desktop and sqlite3 says it is "encrypted or not a database". wtf? | 23:24 |
| vladest | faenil: right | 23:24 |
| faenil | vladest, ok thanks, I'll give it a try ;) | 23:25 |
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| Sniper_swe | anyone know what the name is of an app that lets you manage top visited sites in default browser? | 23:34 |
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| pa | hi Sniper_swe | 23:37 |
| Sniper_swe | hi pa | 23:38 |
| pa | were you saying you were interested in multiple gmail accounts for contacts? | 23:38 |
| Sniper_swe | hmm dunno where i said it:p might be in a week or two. can sync gf contacts to my phone to;p | 23:40 |
| pa | well in any case, my tool now passed qa, you may try it if you want: http://store.ovi.com/content/305913 | 23:40 |
| pa | Sniper_swe, what do you mean? | 23:41 |
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| Sniper_swe | synv girlfriends to contacs from google. she has a lot thst i need but to lazy to add them manually | 23:42 |
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| pa | hm | 23:42 |
| pa | :) | 23:42 |
| Arkenoi | damn phone just dropped the whole tracker database on the floor. no contacts, no messages. | 23:43 |
| * Arkenoi wishes that idiot who invented storing it there altogether gets gangrene | 23:43 | |
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| Sniper_swe | pa installing it now. will try it:) | 23:44 |
| pa | cool, let me know if it works for you :) | 23:45 |
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| Sniper_swe | will do:) | 23:46 |
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