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| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: wanna host it too :P | 00:00 |
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| rZr | \0/ | 00:01 |
| djszapi_ | I wish the next billion code was leaked instead... | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | next billion code is ? | 00:03 |
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| rZr | will this void the "warranty" ? | 00:03 |
| CreamyG31337 | leaked + deleted 2 days in a row | 00:14 |
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| rZr | hee | 00:17 |
| rZr | https://www.google.fr/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=N950-PR13.zip&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=6ae4e1573397149f&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1366&bih=659 | 00:17 |
| beford | official? | 00:18 |
| rZr | no idea | 00:18 |
| rZr | if it is official , then expect to see wp7 once rebooted :) | 00:19 |
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| CreamyG31337 | it's not public, but it's official. that's a problem. people keep reporting the posts at tmo. | 00:26 |
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| beford | nice | 00:28 |
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| beford | i dont have a n950 yet but still nice | 00:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | rZr: do not post link online yet | 00:29 |
| rZr | i will not | 00:30 |
| rZr | trust me | 00:30 |
| beford | its on google cache | 00:31 |
| djszapi_ | rZr: we do not trust you ofc :-D | 00:33 |
| CreamyG31337 | nokia better wake up and release it themselves if they don't want to change their password | 00:34 |
| rZr | djszapi, dont say we, when you want to say i or take your pill mr skizophrenia , .. | 00:34 |
| rZr | which password ? | 00:34 |
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| trx | rapidshare is really slow | 00:36 |
| trx | download from dropsend | 00:36 |
| HtheB | lol, links already removed | 00:36 |
| HtheB | glad i copied them :p | 00:36 |
| beford | 4ffbbc1b6fb6957feffbeb0316521126 | 00:37 |
| trx | i found them in google's cache luckily | 00:38 |
| CreamyG31337 | rZr, i won't say in here | 00:38 |
| HtheB | google cache, nice one trx | 00:40 |
| HtheB | didnt tought myself about that :p | 00:40 |
| rZr | that one has the google spyware in it :) | 00:40 |
| trx | :)) | 00:41 |
| HtheB | well, once it's on the internet, it will be always on the interner | 00:41 |
| HtheB | internet | 00:41 |
| HtheB | CreamyG31337, you said something about a ????? file? | 00:41 |
| HtheB | what did you mean by that | 00:42 |
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| Khertan_n950 | leak leak leak n950 leak leak ? seriously ? | 00:46 |
| Khertan_n950 | hello | 00:46 |
| HtheB | yeah, google cache has it | 00:47 |
| Khertan_n950 | some rumours of a leaked pr1.3 for n950 appear on tmo, is it true ? | 00:47 |
| rZr | it looks this is a fake announcement | 00:47 |
| CreamyG31337 | HtheB, it's just how we know it's an internal build, and nokia might block it from updating | 00:47 |
| HtheB | updating what.... lol | 00:47 |
| HtheB | as if they will update it ever again | 00:47 |
| CreamyG31337 | yeah, exactly, but some ppl insist on keeping it private just in case | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ZogG_laptop: WAZZUP? | 00:48 |
| HtheB | i kinda rofl at the edit, it said wait for an official announcement | 00:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: :P | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | don'6t highlight my name in vain! | 00:48 |
| CreamyG31337 | yeah me too, officiall announcement will be that here is never any updates and we should all buy lumias | 00:49 |
| HtheB | lol | 00:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: wanna host leaked pr1.3 for n950? | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I won't host hoaxes | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 'official' leaks are directly to me | 00:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 00:50 |
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| rZr | btw i have build many stuff today .. | 00:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | rZr: but not xmms2 :P | 00:56 |
| rZr | :) | 00:57 |
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| HtheB | rZr, need to take a dump? | 00:58 |
| HtheB | guess you're already takin it lol | 01:00 |
| rZr | i am on gtk too | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.3 | 01:04 |
| infobot | pr1.3 is probably the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.4 | 01:04 |
| infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.5 | 01:04 |
| * infobot beats docscrutinizer05 with a Nostradamus papercopy 34.4 times. "That's your PR1.5!" | 01:04 | |
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| ZogG_laptop | khertan_: :) | 01:06 |
| khertan_ | ZogG_laptop, how did they can block this leak ? | 01:06 |
| khertan_ | ZogG_laptop, :) | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf? is halloween today? | 01:16 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders what BS goes on at tmo | 01:16 | |
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| xipp2 | hello | 01:16 |
| rZr | is there anything you want on that list : | 01:17 |
| rZr | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Arzr&repo_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan_Maemo_org_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan_standard=1&succeeded=1 | 01:17 |
| xipp2 | hey rZr | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not really, but then that's me | 01:18 |
| jesuschrist_ | guys any expert of the mail client of the n9 | 01:18 |
| rZr | ask your dad | 01:18 |
| jesuschrist_ | my dad ? | 01:19 |
| jesuschrist_ | ohhhh | 01:19 |
| jesuschrist_ | you funny | 01:19 |
| jesuschrist_ | :> | 01:19 |
| rZr | this is your name :) | 01:19 |
| jesuschrist_ | when you going to port pptp rZr ? | 01:20 |
| rZr | let me check that one again | 01:21 |
| jesuschrist_ | thanks dude | 01:22 |
| rZr | remind me what do need , the tool is there | 01:22 |
| jesuschrist_ | what you mean ? | 01:23 |
| rZr | pptp-linux_1.7.2-7_armel.deb is not enough isnt it ? | 01:24 |
| jesuschrist_ | you mean dependencies ? | 01:25 |
| rZr | yes tell me | 01:25 |
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| jesuschrist_ | let me check | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we're so 1337 and sekrit circle, aren't we? | 01:26 |
| khertan_ | rZr, no motivation for a vim compile with python support ? | 01:27 |
| khertan_ | :) | 01:27 |
| jesuschrist_ | i think its enough | 01:27 |
| jesuschrist_ | no need for anything else | 01:27 |
| rZr | didnt i told u thats the 1st thing i'll do once gtk is stable :) | 01:27 |
| jesuschrist_ | no wait, | 01:28 |
| jesuschrist_ | you need ppp | 01:28 |
| jesuschrist_ | libc6 | 01:28 |
| jesuschrist_ | end. | 01:29 |
| rZr | yea ppp | 01:29 |
| rZr | i didnt finished that one | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rZr: I mirrored nokia's buoldservers daily for almost half a year. NOBODY ever checked if there's any 'leaking' shit that got revoked a day later | 01:29 |
| jesuschrist_ | btw anyone knows how to send from different mails with the mail client ? i mean having more than one mail in the same account | 01:29 |
| jesuschrist_ | rZr : ppp => 2.4.2 | 01:30 |
| jesuschrist_ | and if you could also port a web server rZr :> | 01:31 |
| jesuschrist_ | os is there already one ? | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meego ... yawn | 01:31 |
| rZr | jesuschrist_, suggest some | 01:32 |
| rZr | there is didiwiki | 01:32 |
| jesuschrist_ | didiwiki ? | 01:32 |
| jesuschrist_ | does it run php ? | 01:32 |
| rZr | litle httpd/wiki server in c | 01:32 |
| jesuschrist_ | a webserver and php would be great | 01:33 |
| jesuschrist_ | Nginx | 01:34 |
| jesuschrist_ | would be cool | 01:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | and KDE4.9 :P | 01:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | and win7 | 01:35 |
| jesuschrist_ | :D | 01:36 |
| rZr | win7 would be cool but i will do just after gnu/hurd prot | 01:36 |
| rZr | port | 01:36 |
| rZr | and aros :) | 01:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | rZr: plan9 | 01:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | i win any argument with plan9 | 01:36 |
| jesuschrist_ | anyone knows how to modify from shell the bookmarks on the launcher ? | 01:37 |
| jesuschrist_ | where are they located ? | 01:37 |
| rZr | ppp is about to be ready to be served | 01:37 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rZr: you are quick | 01:37 |
| jesuschrist_ | lol | 01:38 |
| rZr | xmms is just slow | 01:38 |
| rZr | jesuschrist_, please test and report if it is usable on tmo | 01:38 |
| jesuschrist_ | ZogG_laptop : i would like to install this on the phone http://www.aldeaglobal.net/callserver/ | 01:38 |
| jesuschrist_ | this is the reason i need a webserver :p | 01:38 |
| pa | ok, this is maybe a stupid question: but is it possible to run meego-terminal -e somecommand, and then not make it exit? | 01:39 |
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| jesuschrist_ | rZr : i dont have any account on tmo, i think i will just get banned if i register my nickname | 01:39 |
| pa | for example run somecommand -h, and then leave it open so that the user can use the termina | 01:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | rZr: that's the difference between dirty sex and making love :P | 01:39 |
| jesuschrist_ | where is the ppp package rZr ? | 01:39 |
| rZr | jesuschrist_, just rename yourself to lucifer666satan , i will know it's you | 01:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | on build.pub.meego.com / | 01:40 |
| rZr | jesuschrist_, http://rzr.online.fr/q/harmattan read that one | 01:40 |
| pa | not possible, right? | 01:41 |
| jesuschrist_ | i dont see under your repo rzr | 01:41 |
| jesuschrist_ | dont see it | 01:41 |
| rZr | sleep 420000 && apt-get update | 01:42 |
| jesuschrist_ | already did an update | 01:42 |
| jesuschrist_ | lets try in 10 mins | 01:44 |
| jesuschrist_ | anyway rzr do you know where the bookmarks on the launcher get stored? | 01:44 |
| rZr | find ~/.config/ -iname "*.desktop" | 01:45 |
| jesuschrist_ | the extensions is .desktop | 01:47 |
| jesuschrist_ | ? | 01:47 |
| jesuschrist_ | not finding anything | 01:49 |
| jesuschrist_ | need inception ? | 01:49 |
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| HtheB | e-yes, you there? | 01:57 |
| HtheB | will there be a optimized nitdroid for pr1.3 kernel? | 01:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | he wouldn't help | 01:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | he didn't get n950 | 01:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | check forums | 01:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | nitdroid one | 01:58 |
| HtheB | im talking about the N9 | 02:00 |
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| HtheB | other people that has a N950 can then help to make a kernel working for the N950 like before | 02:00 |
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| pa | ZogG_laptop, do you know whether it is possible to spawn meego-terminal -e somecommand, and then leave it open instead of the terminal closing as soon as the command ends? | 02:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: what command? | 02:03 |
| pa | any | 02:05 |
| pa | ls, say | 02:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | it depends the goal you want. as we can think to trick it, as i don't know how | 02:07 |
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| pa | heh me neither | 02:08 |
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| pa | i would like to run a commandline app -h | 02:08 |
| pa | and then leave the terminal alive | 02:08 |
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| rZr | screen ? | 02:11 |
| rZr | xtern -e 'screen -e app -h' | 02:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | thought so | 02:11 |
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| Oni^ | pa try start it with .desktop file using options Terminal=True and Exec=app -h & | 02:12 |
| pa | aha! thanks | 02:14 |
| pa | i try | 02:14 |
| pa | Oni^, tried that, but terminal still closes | 02:19 |
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| pa | rZr, but screen is not in the official repos, is it | 02:25 |
| rZr | jesuschrist_, ngxing ! | 02:26 |
| rZr | pa, it's in shared repo | 02:26 |
| pa | yep, but i cant put it as dependency | 02:26 |
| Oni^ | pa do script that start terminal and your app in to it | 02:26 |
| pa | hm.. not sure what you mean | 02:28 |
| pa | if i spawn terminal -e from a script, it will still close after the command executed | 02:28 |
| pa | id need a script that starts my app and leaves a shell | 02:29 |
| pa | then i could run terminal with it | 02:29 |
| pa | or, run it in terminal | 02:30 |
| pa | maybe myapp -h; ash ? | 02:30 |
| pa | lets try | 02:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: what your app does? | 02:32 |
| pa | it downloads contacts from gmail | 02:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | and than? | 02:34 |
| pa | and then add them to the phone | 02:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | why u need it open than? | 02:34 |
| pa | i need to make a desktop icon | 02:35 |
| pa | and what i want it to do is running a terminal | 02:35 |
| pa | but also show the usage of my app | 02:35 |
| Oni^ | here are some tip to run app in backround http://superuser.com/questions/177218/how-to-start-gui-linux-programs-from-the-command-line-but-separate-from-the-com | 02:35 |
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| rZr | jesuschrist_, can u test ngxing ? | 02:37 |
| rZr | pa, using syncml or caldav? | 02:38 |
| pa | rZr, none, i use gdata-api | 02:39 |
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| ZogG_laptop | pa: make script that waits for enter to quit | 02:40 |
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| pa | yea, that would be a suboptimal plan b... thanks | 02:41 |
| pa | so, my method seems to work | 02:43 |
| pa | yea :) | 02:44 |
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| pa | now i can go to bed.. wont manage to polish anyway for now | 02:44 |
| pa | nightr | 02:45 |
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| HtheB | or tgalal__ | 02:45 |
| HtheB | or... tgalal? | 02:45 |
| HtheB | lol | 02:45 |
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| ZogG_laptop | tgalal__: wow | 02:50 |
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| HtheB | ZogG_laptop | 02:58 |
| HtheB | ZogG_PC | 02:58 |
| HtheB | ZogG_mobile | 02:58 |
| HtheB | ZogG_mac | 02:58 |
| HtheB | ZogG_ZogG | 02:59 |
| HtheB | :p | 02:59 |
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| Tronic | http://www.piraattilahti.org/browse.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fthepiratebay.se%2Ftorrent%2F7530337 | 03:04 |
| tgalal__ | ZogG_laptop: yeah that's me lol | 03:25 |
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| npm | http://www.cultofmac.com/184284/dont-worry-ios-encryption-is-so-secure-even-the-nsa-sucks-at-hacking-it/ :-) | 03:46 |
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| jpwhiting | hey all, is there a way to tell cmake in qt creator to build for harmattan target? | 04:36 |
| crevetor_ | hey guys, can you point me to the 1.3 sources ? | 04:52 |
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| ieatlint | npm: wow, that article is hilarious | 05:09 |
| ieatlint | "one of the only ways to get the data off the iPhone or iPad is to guess every PIN combo possible – which could take up to 15years to perform with advanced software if you use an 8-digit pin | 05:10 |
| ieatlint | ... yeah, 15 years to guess an 8 digit pin? | 05:10 |
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| djszapi_ | jpwhiting: why not use a harmattan option? | 06:40 |
| djszapi_ | crevetor_: check the wikipage | 06:41 |
| djszapi_ | http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/sources-pr1.3/ | 06:42 |
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| djszapi_ | anybody with native English alive? | 07:25 |
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| djszapi_ | awake, even | 07:27 |
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| ieatlint | alive is colloquially accepted in that context :P | 07:48 |
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| djszapi_ | hiemanshu: figured out. http://lpapp.blogspot.ie/2012/08/support-2012-kde-randa-meetings_13.html | 10:59 |
| djszapi_ | hope my English is not that bad in there. | 10:59 |
| djszapi_ | jreznik: ^ | 10:59 |
| djszapi_ | you can always roll the randa support stuff around. | 10:59 |
| djszapi_ | s/always/also/ | 10:59 |
| infobot | djszapi_ meant: you can also roll the randa support stuff around. | 10:59 |
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| jreznik | djszapi_: btw. what about sprint in brno? I already talked to mck182, he was thinking about ktp spring here, we have rooms for community to meet etc :) | 11:28 |
| jreznik | next planned one is color management hackfest in november, hope for more than a few kde guys to come | 11:28 |
| djszapi_ | jreznik: I do not have more holidays for this year, unfortunately. | 11:29 |
| djszapi_ | but I am about to organize the KDE Blackberry sprint in January or February | 11:30 |
| djszapi_ | either in Berlin at KDAB, or in Brussels pre/post FOSDEM | 11:30 |
| djszapi_ | I am not a ktp contributor either. | 11:30 |
| djszapi_ | good that you have rooms there though. | 11:30 |
| djszapi_ | originally ktp was supposed to have the sprint in Randa as well, but we had to cut the costs. | 11:31 |
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| djszapi_ | jreznik: you could also ask M4rtinK, your compatriot to join in Brno. :) | 11:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: ping | 13:19 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: pong | 13:20 |
| HtheB | pung | 13:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i'm more stupid than you thouhgt :) | 13:21 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: heh | 13:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i don't think it would help me to solve it yet, but kernel i use is .48 :) | 13:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | 2.6.32.48-dfl61-20115101 | 13:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | going to update to .54 now | 13:22 |
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| pa | got through! http://store.ovi.com/content/303887 | 14:45 |
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| Lava_Croft | screenshots looks a bit err | 14:46 |
| Lava_Croft | busy looking application:) | 14:46 |
| djszapi|vb | that is what I have just said in private... :P | 14:47 |
| Lava_Croft | it also seems to be using different fonts | 14:49 |
| Lava_Croft | throughout the screenshot | 14:49 |
| Lava_Croft | emphasis on seems | 14:49 |
| Lava_Croft | might just be a bit optical trickery | 14:49 |
| pa | it uses 2 different kind of fonts | 14:49 |
| Lava_Croft | i think i see nokia sans | 14:50 |
| pa | myriad condensed for where i need condensed, otherwise i guess is nokia-something | 14:50 |
| Lava_Croft | anyhow, it looks a bit messy because of it | 14:50 |
| pa | thanks for the feedback :) | 14:51 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe add some lines or other way to divide the screen into parts | 14:52 |
| pa | yes i was considering to frame the boxes | 14:52 |
| Lava_Croft | you fit all the info into one single screen? | 14:53 |
| pa | the realtime info, yes | 14:53 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe think about splitting it into two orso | 14:53 |
| pa | like hr, speed, alti, kcal, and distance | 14:53 |
| Lava_Croft | or some other way to put it together, this is hard to fllow | 14:53 |
| pa | i actually wanted to have only one monitor screen | 14:53 |
| Lava_Croft | follow* | 14:53 |
| Lava_Croft | move the gps/bt buttons to settings? | 14:54 |
| pa | i mean, while you work out you dont really want to fiddle with the phone , right? you just want to look at how you are doing | 14:55 |
| Lava_Croft | you can reach the settings with your thumb, thanks to the placement of the icon | 14:55 |
| pa | about those switches i was thinking of it.. | 14:55 |
| Lava_Croft | if you are doing your working, a screen like this might be a bit hard to read | 14:55 |
| Lava_Croft | as you are moving around | 14:55 |
| pa | and i definitely have to split the settings in more pages | 14:55 |
| Lava_Croft | also those 3 big buttons | 14:55 |
| Lava_Croft | they need some love:) | 14:55 |
| Lava_Croft | all the info i see is info i would want to see, just not presented in this exact way :) | 14:56 |
| pa | hm.. interesting | 14:56 |
| pa | so you suggest to separate the boxes, right? | 14:56 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe, yes | 14:56 |
| pa | like with lines or framese | 14:56 |
| Lava_Croft | its very cluttered at the moment | 14:56 |
| Lava_Croft | try moving back from your screen/screenshot and see it from a distance | 14:57 |
| Lava_Croft | its a bit hard for you probably, since you made this yourself:) | 14:57 |
| pa | you looking in the web page, right? | 14:57 |
| pa | not on the store shot | 14:57 |
| Lava_Croft | yours, yes | 14:57 |
| pa | well i dont know.. from a distance i cannot read the labels (like km/h) | 14:57 |
| Lava_Croft | heh | 14:58 |
| pa | i can read the numbers | 14:58 |
| Lava_Croft | that icon to increase brightness is awfully big too | 14:58 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe you can try to add colours codes | 14:58 |
| pa | i was considering colors | 14:58 |
| pa | yes | 14:58 |
| Lava_Croft | settings and brightness icons could be way smaller | 14:58 |
| pa | i was thinking of having colors for the various pieces of info | 14:58 |
| pa | the brightness need to be easy to press | 14:58 |
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| pa | coz it increases the brightness only while pressed | 14:58 |
| Lava_Croft | how is that easy to press, that high up the screen:) | 14:59 |
| Lava_Croft | bottom part is far easier to press | 14:59 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe switch the settings/brightness icon? | 14:59 |
| pa | well depends how you keep your phone | 14:59 |
| pa | if it is in the armband.. | 14:59 |
| pa | that was also something i was considering | 14:59 |
| pa | ok so i could actually switch brightness and settings | 15:00 |
| pa | iùve been thinking of it for long time, eventually i left like that | 15:00 |
| Lava_Croft | well, think for yourself about what people would use more | 15:00 |
| Lava_Croft | the settings button or the brightness button | 15:00 |
| pa | but color codes and framing i might add | 15:00 |
| pa | well.. thing is that it really depends how you carry your phone when u work out | 15:01 |
| Lava_Croft | keep up the good work tho! :) | 15:01 |
| Lava_Croft | well, yeah | 15:01 |
| Lava_Croft | but it wouldnt be wise to assume people use an armband | 15:01 |
| pa | true | 15:01 |
| pa | then i should put the brightness button right in the center :) | 15:02 |
| pa | it would be weird looking, but functional | 15:02 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe you can combine BT/GPS and settings into a single button | 15:02 |
| Lava_Croft | with a drop-down list orso | 15:02 |
| Lava_Croft | mind you, the technical aspects of building an application like this is beyond me:) | 15:03 |
| Lava_Croft | so i might suggest stuff that sounds crazy from an engineering point of view | 15:03 |
| pa | no no, the feedback is great! | 15:03 |
| pa | and thanks a lot for it! | 15:03 |
| pa | i will probably start reworking it from tomorrow | 15:03 |
| Lava_Croft | to be honest, its the screenshot | 15:03 |
| pa | (today i have to push my other app ) | 15:04 |
| Lava_Croft | you have put work into this, but the screenshot makes my eyes bleed:) | 15:04 |
| Lava_Croft | so i want you to do better! | 15:04 |
| pa | : )) | 15:04 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont think there's really any hurry when it comes to N9 app developing? :) | 15:04 |
| pa | well its my contest app | 15:04 |
| pa | so i want it to be good | 15:04 |
| Lava_Croft | ah | 15:04 |
| Lava_Croft | then the UI definitely needs work | 15:05 |
| Lava_Croft | make it blend in as much with the rest of our N9 as you can | 15:05 |
| pa | well but i want to be black everything that is not text or images | 15:05 |
| pa | to save battery | 15:05 |
| Lava_Croft | well, a lot of the N9's gui is like that | 15:06 |
| Lava_Croft | (which is awesome) | 15:06 |
| Lava_Croft | such a minimal theme is hard to get right :< | 15:06 |
| pa | also, Lava, would you mind trying it out? maybe some other things would pop into your eyes once using it :) | 15:06 |
| Lava_Croft | aw the n9 ovi store client cant find it yet:D | 15:07 |
| Lava_Croft | ill send sms from browser | 15:07 |
| pa | wait | 15:07 |
| Lava_Croft | naw | 15:07 |
| Lava_Croft | i know how to get direct dl link :) | 15:08 |
| pa | ok :) | 15:08 |
| Lava_Croft | im just lazy and i already had ovi open on the desktop | 15:08 |
| Lava_Croft | i guess you know that the application icon is a bit odd too? :D | 15:09 |
| Lava_Croft | its a bit strange that when you go to the 'next' window, a bar pops up from the bottom with the 'back' button | 15:12 |
| Lava_Croft | and makes your ui move around | 15:12 |
| Lava_Croft | since it doesnt overlap your gui, but just wants to set next to it | 15:13 |
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| Lava_Croft | when i hold it in my right hand, the features that i can reach the easier with my thumb are turning the GPS/BT on or off | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | easiest* | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | dont think thats very handy | 15:14 |
| pa | hm true | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | if you want the brightness button on the (for me) easiest to reach place | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | you would put it in place of the GPS switch | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | or in the center between bt/gps switches | 15:15 |
| pa | or in the center, to be left handed friendly | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | theres an odd empty space in the center of the screen | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | right now | 15:15 |
| pa | yes | 15:15 |
| pa | i was planning to put a graph there | 15:16 |
| pa | or two | 15:16 |
| Lava_Croft | well i guess if you are training and moving about | 15:16 |
| Lava_Croft | and then get the n9 from your pocket | 15:16 |
| Lava_Croft | you might actually use your thumb pressed on the screen for a more secure hold | 15:16 |
| Lava_Croft | or at least hover over the lower bottom of the screen with it | 15:16 |
| pa | yes, thats why i have the timeouts on the buttons, right? | 15:17 |
| pa | do you think i should have a timeout also on settings? | 15:17 |
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| Lava_Croft | how do i get back to the big 3button screen | 15:18 |
| Lava_Croft | from the Monitor view | 15:18 |
| pa | you have to stop recording | 15:18 |
| pa | then you get the back button again | 15:18 |
| Lava_Croft | dont think i am? | 15:18 |
| pa | then there should be a back arrow on the bottom left | 15:18 |
| Lava_Croft | there isnt | 15:18 |
| pa | hm? | 15:18 |
| pa | so you have a large rec button? | 15:18 |
| pa | that span the whole space to the settings button? | 15:18 |
| Lava_Croft | a large red dot, aye | 15:18 |
| pa | ouch | 15:19 |
| pa | and it passed QA.. | 15:19 |
| Lava_Croft | not as large as settings button tho | 15:19 |
| Lava_Croft | :< | 15:19 |
| Lava_Croft | before you ask, i dont want to work there, thank you! :) | 15:19 |
| pa | maybe i should install the app from the store | 15:19 |
| Lava_Croft | i did | 15:19 |
| Lava_Croft | i sent an sms from ovi on my desktop computer | 15:19 |
| Lava_Croft | sends a link to n9 which opens the n9 ovi client | 15:19 |
| pa | ok, let me try | 15:20 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont think there ever is a Back button in the monitor view | 15:20 |
| Lava_Croft | i just restarted the app, tapped Monitor and it didnt spawn the back button | 15:21 |
| pa | hm | 15:21 |
| pa | its very strange | 15:21 |
| pa | ouch | 15:23 |
| pa | i have it here | 15:23 |
| pa | just installed from the store | 15:23 |
| pa | as soon as i open the monitor page | 15:23 |
| pa | i get three buttons on the bottom | 15:23 |
| pa | back, rec, settings | 15:23 |
| Lava_Croft | that back arrow | 15:23 |
| Lava_Croft | the unsightly big white arrow | 15:24 |
| Lava_Croft | it doesnt seem to work | 15:24 |
| pa | hold it | 15:24 |
| * Lava_Croft facepalms | 15:24 | |
| Lava_Croft | my bad, hah | 15:24 |
| Lava_Croft | you had your first DEU | 15:24 |
| pa | well, in the web page graphics, its explained :) | 15:24 |
| Lava_Croft | oh i didnt even look at the manual | 15:24 |
| Lava_Croft | nobody does | 15:25 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe pop up a manual screen when the app starts for the first time? | 15:25 |
| pa | hmm.. good idea | 15:25 |
| pa | so, color, boxes separation, buttons rearrangement, for now | 15:26 |
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| pa | do you think that an app that if misused might mess up phone contacts can get into the store? | 15:55 |
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| radiofree | pa: that's entirely possible | 17:03 |
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| radiofree | do you need a security credential for contacts? I mean you could easily mess them up with the Tracker read/write credential | 17:04 |
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| pa | indeed | 17:12 |
| pa | thats what im using now | 17:12 |
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| pa | so well i try to submit it | 17:12 |
| radiofree | I don't there's going to go through it with a fine tooth comb | 17:13 |
| radiofree | they are going to go... | 17:13 |
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| pa | i see | 17:20 |
| pa | thanks :) | 17:20 |
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| sledges | hello | 17:27 |
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| sledges | what aegis rule is needed to make this syscall succeed when launched as non-root (I am trying to add a shutdown button): m_State->set(MeeGo::QmSystemState::ShuttingDown) ? | 17:29 |
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| MohammadAG | wtf is no default action for the given PARAMS | 17:58 |
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| jonni | sledges: dsme::DeviceStateControl (http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qmsystem2/credential.html) | 18:10 |
| sledges | thank you jonni, I think this guy is mixing apples with bananas: http://blog.rm-r-f.me/index.php?id=38 by using dbus and then adding manifest.aegis | 18:11 |
| sledges | i am rookie in aegis and general meego API and Qt Creator/OBS interaction. | 18:12 |
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| jonni | sledges: well as long as he added the credential to his binary, he can call dbus-send too, works, but is a kludge. | 18:13 |
| sledges | Could you help me / would it be easy to add manifest.aegis to an existing project http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-systemui/ ? | 18:14 |
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| jonni | sledges: it already has manigest in here http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-systemui/blobs/master/debian/system-ui.aegis | 18:15 |
| jonni | manifest even | 18:15 |
| sledges | oops you are right, I am looking at it now | 18:16 |
| sledges | so if in OBS I put up a .patch to add "<credential name="dsme::DeviceStateControl" />", OBS should take care of the rest and the ::set(shuttingdown) apicall should succeed? | 18:16 |
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| jonni | sledges: yes in theory, but you cannot put that credential to any ovi store application since its not allowed for 3rd parties, but if you use exploited capas, like inception, then yes. | 18:18 |
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| sledges | well, isn't systemui a part of internal apps (this task is for Nemo mobile at the moment) | 18:18 |
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| sledges | so, should suffice | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Hello everybody | 18:19 |
| sledges | hello Sfiet | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | aegis question ... | 18:19 |
| * sledges just asked one :)) | 18:19 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what the hell is: "Aegis rejecting /home/developer/widgets_1.0.0_armel.deb: opt/widgets/widgets/corewidgets/libcorewidgets.so not installed by the package" | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | why is aegis rejecting my plugin | 18:21 |
| jonni | Sfiet_Konstantin: most likely that .so file is not included in your deb, but manifest has the path defined. check with ar that the .so file really is inside the deb | 18:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no, it is the reverse, all the libs are in the deb, but the manifest only have credentials for the main app | 18:22 |
| jonni | can you give url to deb? | 18:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because I don't know what credential to put | 18:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wait | 18:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | http://sfietkonstantin.free.fr/meego/widgets-bug.deb | 18:24 |
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| sledges | jonni, thank you; but it looks like all I needed to change to make m_State->set(MeeGo::QmSystemState::ShuttingDown) | 18:40 |
| sledges | work was in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/dsme.conf: <deny ...shutdown> into <allow ...shutdown> | 18:40 |
| sledges | could anyone tell me, why with Qt4 Quick by adding a new MButton(qtTrId("my_test")) (with //% "My test" comment above) its label gets rendered as "!! My test" ? | 18:43 |
| phako | To tell you it's not translated yet | 18:43 |
| phako | to make it easy to spot untranslated strings in the UI | 18:44 |
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| sledges | phako, I wanted to add my button next to a "Settings" button, so I did. But when I grep meegotouch-systemui project's source tree for "Settings" or for its qtTrId identifier, it pointed me only to that .cpp file, and nowhere else to any other translations | 18:45 |
| sledges | so I thought //% "My test" is enough | 18:45 |
| sledges | unless there is a separate translation project | 18:45 |
| phako | no, that's called "Engineering english" | 18:45 |
| sledges | ok, saw that somewhere | 18:45 |
| phako | the translations are in some nokia-i10n-foo-bar | 18:45 |
| phako | package | 18:45 |
| phako | IIRC | 18:45 |
| sledges | understood | 18:46 |
| sledges | yes, there is one along these lines | 18:46 |
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| sledges | thank you , phako , found it and i'm on it :)) | 18:51 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | well | 19:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I still do not understand | 19:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | why most of my plugins are accepted | 19:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but not three | 19:03 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok ... it seems to be related to the length of the name :S | 19:05 |
| rashm2k | anyone got a full exampe of QobjectList based model? | 19:11 |
| rashm2k | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativemodels.html | 19:11 |
| rashm2k | not sure what the rest of the DataObject Classs is supposed to be | 19:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 19:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dataobject should be a QObject | 19:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | with Q_OBJECT macro | 19:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and properties declared with Q_PROPERTY | 19:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | setting either READ and CONSTANT | 19:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or READ WRITE and NOTIFY | 19:13 |
| rashm2k | what does Q_PROPERTY do? | 19:14 |
| rashm2k | what does this line mean: | 19:14 |
| rashm2k | Q_PROPERTY(QString name READ name WRITE setName NOTIFY nameChanged) | 19:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well | 19:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it declares an attribute to the metaobject | 19:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | meaning that you can access to that attribute without calling the getter and setter | 19:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | when you declare Q_PROPERTY(Type foo READ foo WRITE setFoo) | 19:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you say that the attribute will be named foo | 19:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and the getter is foo() | 19:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and the setter is setFoo | 19:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | this property system is useful in many cases | 19:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | first: introspection | 19:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you can read a property without knowing the type of object | 19:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | using metaobject systems | 19:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and second and more umportant | 19:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in QML | 19:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the property will be accessible through foo | 19:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | MyItem { foo: 3 } | 19:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but in QML you need to register a signal to notify a change too | 19:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's why there is NOTIFY fooChanged() | 19:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | am i clear ? | 19:18 |
| rashm2k | excellent Sfiet_Konstantin! | 19:20 |
| rashm2k | very clear | 19:20 |
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| rashm2k | so I still need to define the getters and setters methods? | 19:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 19:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you need to create a qobject | 19:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that is something like a container object | 19:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that have some attributes | 19:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | declared as properties | 19:21 |
| rashm2k | declared as properties??? | 19:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Q_PROPERTY | 19:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wait | 19:22 |
| rashm2k | okay | 19:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | i give you an example | 19:22 |
| rashm2k | thanks | 19:22 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | https://gitorious.org/widgets/widgets/blobs/master/qml-plugins/base/lib/componentbase.h | 19:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | your header should be like this | 19:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | forget about W_DECLARE_PRIVATE and d_pointer, and replace them with your private attributes | 19:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (and remark Q_SIGNALS = signals) | 19:23 |
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| rashm2k | thanks for the links much appreciated!!!!!!! | 19:26 |
| ZogG_N9 | links for wut? | 19:26 |
| rashm2k | Sfiet_Konstantin | 19:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | example of Q_PROPERTY | 19:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah rashm2k ? | 19:26 |
| rashm2k | meant thanks to you | 19:27 |
| ZogG_N9 | o/ | 19:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | k :) | 19:27 |
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| djszapi|win | Lava_Croft: do you mind giving some feedback about our UI Design as well for my application? | 20:09 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: what ap? | 20:32 |
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| Venemo | ~seen ajalkane | 20:42 |
| infobot | ajalkane <~ajalkane@a88-115-212-112.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 22h 58m 10s ago, saying: 'djszapi_: o/'. | 20:43 |
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| djszapi | Venemo: what would you like to tell him? | 21:13 |
| djszapi | I am in touch with him, so I can forward. | 21:13 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: secret ap | 21:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: mkoy.png | 21:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: stop touching ajalkane | 21:15 |
| djszapi | lol | 21:15 |
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| djszapi | not that I mentioned I touch him, but certain people have strange phantasy ;> | 21:19 |
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| ggfgh | test | 21:22 |
| djszapi_ | failure | 21:22 |
| ggfgh | dammit ! | 21:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | :) | 21:26 |
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| Venemo | djszapi, I'd like to talk to him about Qt 5 on N9 | 21:46 |
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| djszapi_ | Venemo: you can talk to me as well | 21:48 |
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| Venemo | :) | 21:57 |
| djszapi_ | what would you like to know? | 21:57 |
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| Venemo | :) | 22:04 |
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| djszapi_ | you need to have python installed for building the v8 stack though. | 22:05 |
| djszapi_ | rZr: someone got the raspberry in France two weeks ago. | 22:10 |
| djszapi_ | from the free batch. One colleague told that to me in the company. | 22:10 |
| ZogG_hunter | djszapi: and Israel? | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | probably never got it | 22:12 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_hunter: who cares about Israel. XD | 22:13 |
| ZogG_hunter | MohammadAG: my friend got it for a long time and i got notice about future notice of me getting | 22:14 |
| ZogG_hunter | MohammadAG: did you see my wazapp msg? | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_hunter, yep, you're a hunter now? | 22:18 |
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| pa | djszapi, any better? http://oi46.tinypic.com/10d8h1t.jpg or http://oi48.tinypic.com/21docn9.jpg | 22:19 |
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| djszapi_ | pa: you have really weird ideas. :) | 22:20 |
| ZogG_hunter | MohammadAG: it's just coz a lot of USERNAME_bears in #funtoo chan :P | 22:20 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders how to encrypt shit using IMEI | 22:21 | |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:21 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: #sadtoo is better | 22:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: did you hacked rav-kav? :P | 22:23 |
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| MohammadAG | no, but I'd rather have the user's access token not usable on another device | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | by means of a simple cp at least | 22:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: sociality? | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 22:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | so we gonna see you next meeting? | 22:26 |
| pa | well Lava_Croft was suggesting to use colors and lines, thats why i moked that up :) | 22:28 |
| djszapi_ | the main problem is *not* the colours for me | 22:29 |
| djszapi_ | and the lines are not good enough either to fix the superbloatness | 22:29 |
| pa | do you think some more vertical spacing would help? | 22:29 |
| djszapi_ | since you usually have two colours on cycling computers as well anyway | 22:29 |
| djszapi_ | 1) No margins | 22:30 |
| djszapi_ | 2) vertical switchers??? | 22:30 |
| pa | well to save space | 22:30 |
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| djszapi_ | well, I do not try to help, if you do the application for yourself. ;) | 22:31 |
| djszapi_ | if you like it, and if it is done for you, it is all fine. | 22:31 |
| pa | i agree that it is a bit too condensed | 22:32 |
| pa | it's because i wanted to save some space for some graphs | 22:32 |
| djszapi_ | I have such a superbloatness when I randomly write onto the blackboard | 22:32 |
| djszapi_ | at a sprint | 22:32 |
| djszapi_ | at I drump my ideas | 22:32 |
| djszapi_ | and* | 22:32 |
| djszapi_ | dump* | 22:32 |
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| djszapi_ | let me finish the ui design I have in mind, and I will show you. | 22:33 |
| pa | okay :) | 22:34 |
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| beford | sup | 22:38 |
| beford | sup | 22:38 |
| beford | sup | 22:38 |
| beford | hi ZogG_laptop, djszapi | 22:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup | 22:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: your app? | 22:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think the UI is nice, just few tweaks | 22:41 |
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| MohammadAG | WARNING: QObject::connect: Cannot queue arguments of type 'QNetworkReply::NetworkError' | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | (Make sure 'QNetworkReply::NetworkError' is registered using qRegisterMetaType().) | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | nice | 23:00 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, hopefully | 23:00 |
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| pa | ZogG_laptop, thanks. but i guess some bloat should be removed :) | 23:03 |
| pa | who's using gmail accounts to store and sync phone contacts here? | 23:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | i stoped as it changed and deleted my accounts once already | 23:07 |
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| pa | what deleted your accounts? | 23:14 |
| pa | and what do you use now? | 23:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't sync | 23:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | i backup | 23:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ | 23:15 |
| pa | ah | 23:15 |
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| pa | so you dont have contacts on gmail anymore, right? | 23:16 |
| valdur55_ | ~update | 23:16 |
| infobot | from memory, update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 | 23:16 |
| pa | coz i need beta testers for my app :) i mean, im using it already for quite a while | 23:16 |
| pa | and its totally safe, if used properly | 23:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: right | 23:20 |
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