IRC log of #harmattan for Saturday, 2012-08-11

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Sazpaimonwell I got nokia suite to make a backup of my N900:08
Sazpaimonbut NBUExplorer won't open the NBU file00:08
Sazpaimonso it's pretty much useless00:08
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DocScrutinizer51get backupmenu00:26
infobotwell, backupmenu is
DocScrutinizer51oops -ECHAN00:27
Sazpaimonyeah wrong device00:27
Sazpaimonalso doesn't help me when I'm going to be reflashing the entire device00:27
DocScrutinizer51on HARM. no00:28
DocScrutinizer51since nokway to restore against aegis00:28
Sazpaimonguess what I'm going to have to do is: 1. Format my N9 2. Restore my backup 3. Sync all of my SMSes into ovi suite. 4. Delete all the broken messages. 5. get my E71 nbu exported into a CSV for the messages, 6. Import them into nokia suite 7. Sync again00:30
Sazpaimonhopefully reflashing everyting will fix my camera00:32
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pawas there some problem with python and launching it from a bash script?01:08
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Sazpaimonremind me again, flasher -F ape.bin -F mmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure -f -R will reflash both emmc and everything else, and also completely erase emmc beforehand, right?01:16
Sazpaimonor does EMMC need to be erased first before flashing01:16
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Sazpaimonokay I was mostly right01:30
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javispedroSo I don't have debug symbols for the PR1.3 N9 and I don't have debug symbols for the betaPR1.2 N95001:46
javispedrohow is one supposed to develop for those things? adding a printf every other line?01:47
* javispedro ponders randomly banging head on keyboard until it works01:47
Sazpaimonwait you mean there's a way OTHER than printf-ing everything?01:47
Sazpaimonteach me your ways javispedro01:48
Sazpaimonalso, has the openmode PR1.3 kernel come out yet?01:48
javispedrothe openmode PR1.3 kernel has been since forever01:48
Sazpaimonbut it was just the PR1.2 kernel renamed01:48
Sazpaimonthe actual PR1.3 kernel has a couple changes I believe01:48
javispedrooh, it was? meh01:48
crevetor_javispedro: do you have 1.3 on N950 ?01:49
SazpaimonI can re-apply the patches myself, then01:49
javispedrocrevetor_: no01:49
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crevetor_javispedro: do you have a OCF binary for pr1.3 (for N9) ?01:50
SazpaimonWarning: user data may reside on MMC. In that case the MMC is unnecessarily erased twice.01:50
Sazpaimonscrew you flasher01:50
Sazpaimondon't tell ME what's unnecessary01:50
javispedrocrevetor_: no, but you can make one yourself either intercepting what NSU downloads or using one of those popular tools in TMO01:50
crevetor_hum.. Maybe I will01:51
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javispedroI guess I should somehow thank the godess that I managed to get libc6-dbg for N950's betaPR1.201:53
javispedroI don't even remember where I got it from :P01:53
javispedrobut libqt4-*-dbg? hah!01:54
javispedro*rant* *rant* *rant*01:54
orfixHow can I connect to a WiFi network and set a static IP, "/sbin/ifconfig wlan0 up" gives me the following error "ifconfig: SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied", I am logged as root using devel-su.02:01
orfixany idea ? thank you.02:01
javispedroyou can use the UI =)02:03
javispedroother than that, to use ifconfig you will need CAP::net_admin iirc, which is develsh-gettable02:04
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javispedroso, just run develsh.02:04
orfixjavispedro: can I set a static IP using the UI ?02:05
javispedroSettings -> Internet Connection -> Edit networks -> ... -> Advanced02:06
orfixjavispedro: yep, shame on me... I just didn't searched for it :]02:06
javispedromeh, the trivial suggestion worked for once :)02:06
Sazpaimonoh man02:07
Sazpaimonthat's a relief02:07
Sazpaimonreflashed everything, emmc and rootfs, and my camera works again02:07
javispedrothat used to happen when mixmatching 1.1 and 1.2 kernels02:07
SazpaimonIve been using e-yes's dualboot kernel for a while now02:08
Sazpaimonboth on PR1.2 and 1.302:08
Sazpaimonat any rate, I'm going to patch up PR1.3's kernel for openmode and flash it now02:08
orfixjavispedro: thank you.02:09
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Sazpaimoni was going to ask javispedro what he did to fix the filenames on his PR1.3 DVD02:14
orfixjavispedro: there's no way to input dots '.' only comma (without copy/paste)02:14
Sazpaimonhe must have parsed the dsc files02:15
Sazpaimonthat's really annoying02:15
Sazpaimonwho made this DVD and was like "8.3 filenames? sure why not!"02:15
CorsacSazpaimon: I didn't have any filename issue on mine02:21
CorsacSazpaimon: see
SazpaimonCorsac, weird, all my filenames are uppercase, 8.302:23
Sazpaimonlike, ALSA_PLU.TGZ02:24
Sazpaimonmaybe because the disc was never finalized?02:24
Sazpaimonit still has free space on it02:24
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Sazpaimoneven then, I dont think ISO9660 has any limitations like that02:26
Sazpaimonokay this is kind of annoying02:28
Sazpaimonnokia suite isn't showing any messages on my N902:28
Sazpaimonbut theyre clearly there02:28
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CorsacSazpaimon: are you sure you mounted it correctly?02:30
Corsaciso9660 is not really the correct way to mount a dvd anyway02:31
Sazpaimonoh the dvd?02:31
Sazpaimoni just popped it in the drive, I'm on windows ATM02:31
Corsacthat's why02:31
CorsacI guess :)02:31
Sazpaimonlike I said, windows sees it as a DVD that can still be written to02:32
Sazpaimonright now I'm trying to figure out why nokia suite says my N9 has no messages on it02:32
Sazpaimoneven though I'm looking at it and it's clearly there02:33
HurrianSazpaimon, because Nokia Suite is a pile of trash?02:33
Sazpaimonall that aside02:33
Hurriansupport for Maemo devices has been very, very sketchy02:33
Sazpaimonthis has worked before, I know it has02:33
SazpaimonTHERE IT GOES02:34
SazpaimonI had to refresh the list like 10 times02:34
Sazpaimonlooks like I actually need to VIEW the messages in the messages app before nokia suite sees them02:35
Sazpaimonda fuck?02:35
Sazpaimonwhat does viewing a conversation do internally?02:36
ieatlintremember, before any meeting with upper management, get five or six acronyms that sound impressive together to reference so you sound smart and they don't want to admit they don't know wtf you're talking about03:12
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Sazpaimonokay WHAT THE HELL. I deleted the messages on my N9 from nokia suite, and they appeared to be gone from my messages app. Restart the phone and THEY ARE ALL BACK?!04:11
Sazpaimonwhat the hell man04:11
HurrianDB probably wasn't committed to disk or something04:19
Sazpaimonnah it's not that04:19
Sazpaimonapparently the N9 was hiding some conversations04:19
Sazpaimonfor some reason04:19
SazpaimonI think going from the E71 -> N900 -> N9 may have screwed something up along the way04:20
Sazpaimonbut for some reason it wont sync messages from the phone to nokia suite04:24
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Sazpaimoncan someone link me to the PR1.2 repository04:37
Sazpaimonnevermind I found it04:37
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Sazpaimonthere seem to be a number of changes between PR1.2 and PR1.3 kernels04:51
Sazpaimonso I guess nobody else has made a proper PR1.3 openmode kernel, I'll do it04:51
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Sazpaimonseriously? so now nokia suite needs to copy each message, one by one, from its local storage to the N906:22
SazpaimonI have about 5000 SMSes06:22
Sazpaimonthis is gonna be fun06:22
Sazpaimonat least it's automatic, it just takes like, 3 seconds per message06:23
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ieatlinthey, that's only about 4.5h06:44
SazpaimonI don't think Nokia understands the meaning of "sync"06:50
Sazpaimonwhen you click sync in nokia suite, it copies from your phone to the pc06:50
Sazpaimonbut not the other way around06:50
Sazpaimonso that.. really isn't sync06:50
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Sazpaimonoh great07:16
Sazpaimonmessages I sent are showing as recieved messags07:17
Sazpaimongod damn it07:17
Sazpaimoni guess I need to find another way07:18
tehdelyyay: defaults write /Applications/ LSUIElement 107:19
tehdelyhides Nokia Link from the Dock07:19
tehdelyit's got a menu extra anyway, so who needs it in the dock?  answer: nobody!07:19
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Sazpaimonguess I need to export it as CSV07:20
Sazpaimonand import it from there07:20
Sazpaimonalso there really should be a way to import historical non-sms messages to the N907:25
Sazpaimonlike IM messages07:25
Sazpaimonso far I haven't been able to figure that out07:25
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hiemanshubeford: sublime is awesome, except the random purchase now when you save :) not that annoying though07:48
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Sazpaimonfunny how much you can do even without dev mode on09:23
Sazpaimonall you need to do is install filebox and fingerterm and youre pretty good just as long as you dont need root09:23
Sazpaimonhell, you could probably install inception and opensh if you want09:27
Sazpaimonsurprised at how many tools are installed by default09:32
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TronicCannot install inception without a terminal but of course you can get fingerterm instead of the one that comes with devmode.09:36
Sazpaimonthat's what I'm saying09:36
Sazpaimondoes inception not install from just executing the deb file?09:36
SazpaimonI use openmode so I've never bothered with inception09:37
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TronicSazpaimon: You need to run a binary in terminal and enter root password to perform the actual installation.09:46
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hiemanshuwell finger term can do that :P09:54
Sazpaimonnot without dev mode on09:57
Sazpaimoni always figured inception worked like most harmattan packages that will install normally using the gui09:58
valdur55can i use dorvak layout with fingerterm?09:58
TronicTechnically you could even install meego-terminal (or the other packages enabled by devmode) without actually turning the mode on.09:58
Sazpaimonvaldur55, you can make your own layout09:59
Sazpaimonso yes09:59
Tronic(AFAIK the "setting" doesn't do anything but automatically install these packages)09:59
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ptljust compiled zsh for the N910:06
ptlworks perfectly10:06
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Sazpaimonso what's the deal with system-ui-extensions vs unrestricted-system-ui11:56
SazpaimonI know one doesn't require any incepted/openmode device, but coderus isn't posting it on TMO11:56
Sazpaimondid I miss some conflict between coderus and TMO and/or MohammadAG11:57
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pagood question12:01
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Sazpaimonyou know what's annoying, if I have a contact with multiple numbers attached to it, conversations from that contact will show each conversation from those numbers seperately instead of merging them together12:09
Sazpaimonkind of annoying12:10
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MohammadAGSazpaimon: Yes :p12:15
nibblermakes sense, somehow. looks like a valid abstraction. if you answer to a message of the conversation, there would be ambiguity to which number to send your reply to, if they were merged.12:15
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MohammadAGnibbler: +112:16
MohammadAGPondering to get a metawatch, not sure if it's worth it12:17
MohammadAGIt's not visually good looking, and it costs the same as a Nexus 712:17
SazpaimonMohammadAG, yes @ coderus, or yes @ my conversation rant?12:18
MohammadAGFirst :P12:18
Sazpaimoni take it you don't care to elaborate12:18
MohammadAGWell its simple really12:18
MohammadAGHe doesn't care about collaborating12:19
MohammadAGInstead he copies source and releases as his own with some small mods like icon changes12:19
nibbleri understand the point, but ui should be unambiguous and behave in an expected way. so... if it were merged, you wouldn't know what happens after you hit send. get a dialog, to select a number? message goes to the number of the last received message? ui design ain't easy :(12:19
MohammadAGSo I went closed source to slow him down12:19
Sazpaimonwhat do you suppose he changed to make it inception-free?12:20
MohammadAGIt edits desktop files of stock applets to load a different applet12:20
MohammadAGsystem-ui still has a restriction12:21
MohammadAGThen he merged all applets into one12:21
Sazpaimonalso, if my google translate-fu is correct, he said he's going to be re-writing it from scratch for the next version12:21
Sazpaimonso your plan may have worked12:22
MohammadAGHe can do whatever he likes12:22
MohammadAGI don't really care12:22
MohammadAGJust don't steal code and not credit the author12:22
MohammadAGOr copy GPL code without releasing source12:22
MohammadAGOne more shot at my work from him and I'll decide if Harmattan's still worth it12:23
Sazpaimonto be honest you'll probably run into such things at any platform12:24
paMohammadAG, come on, it's fun with these guys :)12:24
MohammadAGSazpaimon: Yeah, but iOS's drama is better12:25
paMohammadAG, pity that it requires one to buy an iphone.. :)12:26
paand about the devkit, doesnt it run only on mac?12:26
MohammadAGI'm typing this with one :p12:26
paor also on win/linux?12:26
MohammadAGGot OS X installed on my laptopq12:26
MohammadAGIt's OS X only12:26
pau c.12:27
Sazpaimonokay i cant figure out why some of my conversation windows are blank12:27
Sazpaimondespite their messages showing up in search results12:27
Sazpaimonwhat the hell12:28
Sazpaimonin fact most of my conversation windows are blank12:28
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Sazpaimonhow the hell did this happen12:28
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Sazpaimoneven if I make a new conversation, the window is still blank12:42
Sazpaimonwhat the hell12:42
Sazpaimonany ideas?12:42
Sazpaimonwell, killall'd messaging-ui and it seemed to do it12:44
Sazpaimonreally weird12:44
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Sazpaimonso just to be sure, has anyone made a proper PR1.3 openmode kernel12:51
Sazpaimonusing the actual PR1.3 sources?12:51
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paQA is so slow..13:25
rzr for whoever cares I backported #GnuTls for #MeeGo / #HarmattaN shared repo , cool packages to come !n950club13:28
SazpaimonDocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer05, DocScrutinizer51, whichever one of you is the REAL DocScrutinizer, could you tell me if the PR1.3 openmode kernel you're hosting is just the PR1.2 kernel with a different version set?13:30
padoes anyone know what PSM exactly does?13:33
pait seems to me the phone lasts longer with psm off..13:33
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Tronicpa: Have you tried PSM with full battery?13:48
Tronic(so that it isn't just the last 10 % that are being consumed faster"13:48
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TronicPSM itself does many things, probably too many to make a comprehensive list. E.g. it turns off Wi-Fi Hotspot.13:49
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pai see14:05
pai will try from full battery14:05
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djszapiN9pa, ping14:18
djszapiN940 km / 90 min so far14:20
djszapiN9forgot to install your stuff14:20
djszapiN9so send me the link again14:20
djszapiN9also make sure it is a user package14:20
djszapiN9so that I can install from console14:21
djszapiN9I am now on the road :)14:21
palet me reup it14:23
pa2 secs14:23
* djszapiN9 is heading to the ocean14:23
djszapiN9for a dive :)14:23
djszapiN9and then 50 km back :)14:23
djszapiN9damn it is hard to type while biking :)14:24
djszapiN9mount would be handy :)14:24
patold ya ;)14:25
djszapiN9well the real fix is not itcing while biking ;)14:26
djszapiN9anyway bbiab from the ocean14:27
paanyway, sent in query14:27
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djszapiN9is there an app to upload pictures right away?14:53
djszapiN9that I have just taken with the builtin camera application?14:53
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DocScrutinizer05Sazpaimon: the 1.3 openmode kernel is the 1.3 sources patched with the same patches as 1.2 openmode kernel, then compiled14:56
padjszapiN9, maybe the one from ZogG_laptop ?14:57
padont remember14:57
pabut doesnt it do it as well by default?14:57
djszapiN9default what?14:58
palike if u click on the "share" button on the gallery14:58
djszapiN9I would like to upload to imagebin for instance without the raw browser thingie.14:58
pai dont know, because i dont have flickr/picasa accounts14:58
djszapiN9so then I can send to my friends, etc.14:58
pabut it looks that you can add those accounts and upload to picasa, f example14:59
djszapiN9you do not need to.14:59
djszapiN9picasa sucks (tm) :)14:59
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ZogG_laptoppa: btw anyway to test your app?15:09
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paZogG_laptop, i can send you if you want to try it before it passes QA15:17
ZogG_laptoppa: would like to15:22
ZogG_laptoppa: sent it to ovi?15:23
payep, but they take ages to QA it.. :(15:23
pabtw i just repackaged my other app, but do you know whether it is possible to send a command line app to ovi?15:24
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cashZzzz Alien phone home15:27
ZogG_laptoppa: you can send command line app, just make terminal as dep. at list irssi does that15:30
ZogG_laptoppa: btw you can upload to apps4meego as well15:30
ZogG_laptoppa: you can do apps4meego -> free, ovi -> paid15:31
cashfor me the question ?15:34
paah cool! great tip, thanks!15:34
pa(terminal as dep :))15:34
pathen i'll push that too15:34
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ZogG_laptoppa: just make icon that opens terminal with command15:37
ZogG_laptopor with command --help15:37
ZogG_laptopcheck how irssi do it15:37
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pathanks :)15:39
ZogG_laptoppa: thank you, more apps - better for us :P15:41
pai should also learn a little how to engineer python code15:45
pawhen i write python, it soon looks like a mess15:45
ZogG_laptoppa: put code in harmattan repo on github if you go opensource and ask khertan and thp to review it15:47
pabtw what IDE do you guys use for python?15:50
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Oni^howto get .bashrc work with user17:57
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djszapi_piggz: now I am here, if you have playbook questions18:19
merlin1991is there a way to get fake gps data for the positioning services inside scratchbox?18:32
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pahow did it go? :)18:39
paby the way, does anyone know what qtcreator exactly does when it deploys a package? meaning, it ssh into the phone, but then how does it get to be root, and to install the package?18:40
paor is it possible to run dpkg  from user?18:40
pato me it says it requires superuser privileges18:41
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ZogG_laptoppa: IDE for anything -> vim :P18:45
djszapi_well, -118:45
djszapi_in fact18:45
djszapi_because vi is enough :)18:45
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: than it's 018:45
djszapi_consider it -218:45
ZogG_laptop+1 + -1 = 018:45
djszapi_do not submit18:45
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: i think vi is too much, v is better18:46
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pabut do you have an idea how to replicate the workflow of qtcreator?18:46
djszapi_pa: why would you replicate?18:46
djszapi_why don't you just do nicely?18:46
djszapi_does not really matter what creator does18:46
palike automatically scp the package, automatically install, and then run?18:46
djszapi_ZogG_laptop: "v" does not ring a bell...18:46
djszapi_pa: make an alias, done, next customre :)18:47
paan alias?18:47
djszapi_well, you can make a function as well for your shell18:47
djszapi_it is a matter of taste, really.18:47
pai mean, so far for a python project i have a shell script that does the building, that does the scp18:47
pabut it scp as user18:47
pai dont have ssh root access on the phone18:48
djszapi_not entirely sure what you mean...18:48
pai mean, on qtcreator you set your target, with IP address, and it even runs the app, after having installed it18:48
djszapi_more precisely, I am not sure what the problem is18:48
djszapi_you have never deployed an application from command line?18:48
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: what i want is autocompete for Qt and C++ :P18:49
pathe problem is trying to replicate such a workflow from a bash script18:49
djszapi_ZogG_laptop: install the relevant add-on18:49
djszapi_done, next customer18:49
pa(on the host pc, not  on the device)18:49
djszapi_replicate what?18:49
djszapi_you just need to do the process18:49
djszapi_it is not a replication18:49
djszapi_it is the process18:49
djszapi_and yes, you can of course chain commands in bash18:49
djszapi_or zsh18:49
djszapi_or whatever you use on the host18:49
paok, but then i dont get how to install the app once i scp it18:50
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: i want it to do coffee18:50
djszapi_ZogG_laptop: visit another shop :)18:50
djszapi_next customer.18:50
pai mean without having to ssh in the device, devel-su, and doing dpkg -i by hand18:50
djszapi_pa: dpkg -i18:50
djszapi_why without?18:50
djszapi_that makes no sense18:50
pacoz i dont want to do it interactively every time i want to redeploy and test18:51
djszapi_well you can use pkgmgr as well18:51
djszapi_if the package is user18:51
djszapi_but you need to do that anyways18:51
pathatts it18:51
djszapi_what is the problem ?18:51
pawell pkgmgr can be invoked via ssh18:51
padevel-su requires interaction18:51
djszapi_if you do not like how Harmattan works18:52
djszapi_do not developer for it :18:52
pano, i mean i think i need to use pkgmgr18:52
djszapi_if you accept how it works, then follow the way how it works18:52
paperfect it works :) thanks djszapi_ !18:53
paand i guess thats what qtcreator does, then18:54
djszapi_no worries18:54
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* itsnotabigtruck has an idea for a phone with integrated espresso machine19:08
Oni^and then we wait for error 41819:13
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piggzdjszapi_: its ll working now19:24
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piggzsome people....
piggzdjszapi_: i set an env var to speciy where the plafform plugin is found19:38
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djszapi_piggz: k19:43
papiggz: there's the need of a social protocol that takes idiots into account :)19:43
djszapi_piggz: I would pay the 59 cents back19:45
djszapi_it is not something that you desperately need, no?19:45
djszapi_so why make someone unhappy?19:45
piggzdjszapi_: i am hppy to refund it, but im not happy about receiving a load of abuse as first contact19:45
padjszapi_, well such people deserve to be unhappy19:46
djszapi_piggz: you should ignore, if you do not like.19:46
djszapi_but if 59 cents makes him happy, give it to him.19:46
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djszapi_and there will be one more person, happy.19:46
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djszapi_and ignore the rest.19:46
djszapi_that is what I would personally do.19:47
djszapi_person, I would even express my sorry, it is unfortunately not meeting his expectation.19:47
infobotdjszapi_ meant: perhaps, I would even express my sorry, it is unfortunately not meeting his expectation.19:47
piggzyes, its not really worth the hassle19:50
djszapi_it is not really a good habit to call your customers "abusive", or "idiots".19:52
djszapi_no matter what they do.19:52
djszapi_you should rpely (IMO) politely, and try to make them happy, and step forth.19:52
djszapi_at least, I believe, that is the proper stance towards customers.19:53
piggzive refunded him anyway19:55
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piggzsaying im sorry it didnt work for him...but seriously....i dont think i called him an idiot...but calling him abusive is stating a fact19:56
djszapi_piggz: calling him abusive just opens up the can of worms19:57
djszapi_do you need that?19:57
djszapi_being polite may help.19:57
djszapi_it helps a lot of time19:57
djszapi_if not, you cannot do anything more anyways19:57
djszapi_but surely no need to get into useless ping-pong fight19:58
djszapi_it is a lost-lost for everybody19:58
piggzfor all i know, its something he does to get apps for free, i dont suppose me cancelling the order will remove it from his device?20:00
djszapi_ask ovi20:00
piggzdjszapi_: this was play store20:01
djszapi_unsure what that is20:01
djszapi_but anyway20:01
djszapi_it does not matter, if it is ovi, or foobar20:01
djszapi_application distributors should build a technology around this feature.20:02
piggzdjszapi_: google android store20:03
djszapi_oh you mean the market...20:03
djszapi_he at least said his problem20:05
djszapi_I got sooooo useless comments20:05
djszapi_like "good"20:05
djszapi_and then three stars :)20:05
djszapi_I reported them as an abuse20:05
djszapi_one of them were removed, but others were not.20:05
djszapi_there was also a post that google translate did not recognize in any language20:06
djszapi_is there a way in the browser (mozilla) to increase the timeout for loading a page?20:07
djszapi_my mobile internet has something like 25 kb / s, and I am getting a timeout error after 1-2 mins.20:07
djszapi_I presume, the initial loading of the site would be few megabytes.20:07
Lava_Croftthp: anything happened to Mustr? (I think you made it, right)20:10
Lava_CroftIt seems OVI cannot ever find the install package on its servers20:10
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Lava_Croftpiggz: protip: Whenever dealing with customer complaints online, ignore all the bad words20:12
Lava_CroftThis way you can more easily read his actual message and as an added bonus you dont get agitated20:13
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piggzLava_Croft: yeah, little point worring about such things, im just surprised someone could get _so_ worked up20:33
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Lava_CroftThis is the internet!20:43
Lava_CroftPeople get worked up about Comic Sans20:43
Lava_Croftfor all you know, the guy's wife just left him20:45
Lava_Croftor he just lost his job20:45
Lava_Croftor he was from Argentina and saw how the women's hockeyteam just lost the olympic final20:45
Lava_Croftwho knows?20:45
piggzactually, he's norwegian, he maybe worked at nokia!20:46
Lava_CroftWell, Nokia still sells N9's, so its not all bad at Nokia20:46
piggzhe maybe got asked to work on the wp8 implementation20:48
djszapi_oh come on... please drop the matter :)20:49
piggzwell, theres not much other chat going on ;) .... as soon as ive had my tea i will get back to harmattan coding :)20:50
djszapi_really no any real need to enchance.20:50
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djszapi_I really cannot believe the discussion is still ongoing20:52
djszapi_the guy was paid, you may have replied a polite. Done. Next customer.20:53
djszapi_it is not all that interesting topic anyways20:53
djszapi_or well, continue if you wish20:54
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papiggz, these norwegians.. jeez ;)20:57
piggzthat did seem a little odd, but hey...20:57
pathese guys are brave only behind a screen :)20:57
pakidding (a little)20:59
piggzhows your apps coming on?20:59
pahavent done much today, but i fixed the python problem i had, now i know how to distribute pyc only, and the library i need also, bundled with the app21:01
paactually it's time to get back at it: )21:02
piggzme too, doing complicated client-server stuff, where i also have to write the server21:03
pabtw are you interested in creating a web app similar to the one you are interfacing with , at the moment?21:04
pai was considering it, for my app21:04
pait doesnt seem too complicated, if a decent cms is used to handle already the account management21:05
piggzhmmm....i could be tempted, but its maybe out of my league....i could maybe do the api stuff, but i suck at web design :)21:05
piggzthe game im doing atm is using a node.js server for the server side21:05
piggzmy last one used php, but node.js is more buzz word friendly ;)21:06
piggzim sure the site is created by a team working full time21:06
paand the design doesnt look that great..21:07
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SazpaimonDocScrutinizer05, how did you manage to get the openmode kernel up before the DVD was even shipped?21:21
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DocScrutinizer05Sazpaimon: magic21:22
DocScrutinizer05or call it "good contacts to Nokia"21:22
Sazpaimonthat's what I figured21:23
merlin1991Sazpaimon: there would have been binary patching aswell :D21:36
rzrdpkg-deb: building package `zsh' in `../zsh_5.0.0-2_armel.deb'.21:37
rzrwanna test ?21:37
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rzrptl, can u try to install zsh ?21:51
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pais anybody in here interested in having a tool to download contacts from multiple gmail accounts, with support for gmail contact groups?22:17
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pacool, then i try to package it this we :)22:19
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rzrptl, ; apt-get install zsh22:37
ZogG_laptoprzr: tested and optimised?22:39
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ZogG_laptoprzr: we need to work on your site, it fkuc my brain when i open it :)22:39
rzrZogG_laptop, not yet , i just built22:39
ZogG_laptopwith all hash tags22:39
rzrZogG_laptop, i put this in my todo's22:39
rzrZogG_laptop, i'll rework it once i finish to port debian22:40
rzrtime is precious :)22:40
ZogG_laptopport debian22:41
ZogG_laptoppot debian where?22:41
rzrto harmattan22:41
ZogG_laptopwhat do you mean by that?22:41
rzri mean rebuild all debian on harmattan base22:41
ZogG_laptopport debian to n9 or what?22:41
ZogG_laptoprzr:  ithink debian has arm builds btw22:41
rzri was more or less joking22:41
ZogG_laptoprzr: can i request some port btw, i found sources even, but i got stuck with deps22:42
rzryes sure22:42
rzrplease do on the tmo thread22:42
ZogG_laptoprzr:  what is the name?22:43
rzri see22:44
rzrthat one is not the easiest one22:44
rzrhave u tried to drop of of its dependencies ?22:45
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ZogG_laptoprzr: nope22:47
ZogG_laptoprzr: actually what i need from there is only lib for c or c++22:47
ZogG_laptopi don't want whole thing, i just want to try to make client22:48
ZogG_laptopso i can control PC xmms2 server with phone22:48
rzrwhat about using mpd instead ?22:49
rzrI had tested a such thing w/ my nas22:49
rzrthere is even a qml app to port22:49
rzrit would requiere less efforts for a similar goal22:50
rzrwanna share the job ?22:50
rzri started something i put aside22:50
ZogG_laptoprzr: i think there are mpd clients for n(22:51
ZogG_laptopand i may try to help22:51
ZogG_laptopbut i still would use xmms2 on my desktop so i would liek to have libs as well22:51
ZogG_laptopi started with xmms2 client for n900 and it died22:52
rzr i will update that for you if you care of22:52
rzrlooks good22:54
rzrupstream does not care of22:54
rzrlet's fork it ?22:54
rzrtell me if you want to spend a couple of hours reviewing  finishing my work ?22:55
ZogG_laptoprzr: it's just basic one, ruskie uses it, i hope i could upgrade it as i get another n900, i was promised to get one on next Qt meetup in Israel, or i'll get one from MohammadAG if he gets green light and if not i'll buy one from his friend :)22:55
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rzrwe're near to
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rzrZogG_laptop, let me share my patches ...22:56
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djszapi_I wonder if it was faster to access to the internet from laptop over the mobile through wired link.22:57
djszapi_i.e. no joikuspot.22:58
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: ?22:58
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: there is one builtin and few other apps for hotspot, but why?22:58
ZogG_laptoprzr: ^ ?22:59
djszapi_ZogG_laptop: pardon?22:59
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_:  je ne parle pa fraince22:59
rzrZogG_laptop, closed source but worth a try23:00
rzrZogG_laptop, minia zavout philippe :)23:01
ptlyou DID compile zsh with libcap support? How so?23:02
ptlI tried to do it and libcap would need further and further libraries23:02
ptllike libselinux, libpam0g23:02
ptlso I just took it off compilation options23:02
rzrI ported many of those packages , once i finished gnutls23:03
ptldoes the N9 use linux's capabilities?23:03
rzrnot really ported23:03
ZogG_laptoprzr: lol :) i learned french but don't remember anything23:03
rzrjust rebuilt23:03
ZogG_laptoprzr: look at this
ptlthat's wicked!23:03
rzrZogG_laptop, lol i tool courses of russian but I dint learn anything23:04
rzrZogG_laptop, great23:04
rzr ?23:04
rzrscary name :)23:04
ZogG_laptoprzr: i actually missed almost all french classes as i hated teacher, but than i took private lessons and was good for school level. but never used it and forgot, as well i always had problems with numbers. i liked the blue bird - teaching book, leuoise blue (no idea how to spell it)23:05
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ptlrzr: your zsh 5.0 build worked perfectly. Thanks for that!23:07
rzrZogG_laptop, our russian teacher was cool23:07
ZogG_laptoprzr: they name versions liek that :) but it's not latest one, the latest is 0.8 DrO_o23:07
rzrptl, cool , then no need to merge yours ?23:07
rzrptl, I added a couple of zsh apps too23:08
rzrptl, fizsh23:08
ptlrzr: yep, no need. Your deb is better23:08
ptloh, nice23:08
rzrZogG_laptop, l oiseau bleu :)23:08
ZogG_laptoprzr: so you still want to port qml mpd? and where is bump? on libs/Qt side or qml itself?23:08
rzrZogG_laptop, wait a couple of secs23:09
ZogG_laptoprzr: and btw if you told your name - je ma pale Misha23:09
ZogG_laptoprzr: going to shower than23:09
ZogG_laptoprzr: is it qtcreator project or sb project btw? as i can just git clone it and apply your patches, as it would be easier with qtcreator for me :)23:13
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rzrZogG_laptop, it's a svn checkout but i add to mv some dirs23:16
rzrZogG_laptop, try to unpack that one and build it w/ your fave tools , you see it is working but the ui is all screwed (symbian qml vs meego ones)23:17
ZogG_laptopso the only problem is UI?23:17
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ZogG_laptoprzr: btw zogg (at) noicq (dot) org — add me at jabber ☭23:22
ZogG_laptopbeford: sup man23:22
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ptlI've never worked with a build system before, is there a tutorial for the meego build service?23:23
ZogG_laptopptl: did you work with sb?23:24
infobotrumour has it, obs is opensuse build service, used around MeeGo
ZogG_laptopptl: ^23:24
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ptlZogG_laptop: no, I do not know what is sb23:29
infoboti heard sb is nice because there's a shitload of good food, and places to hang out.23:30
infobotit has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at
* rzr xmpp23:32
ptlscratchbox, yes, of course23:33
ZogG_laptopptl: so there is also small howto i did for qtcreator using phako's script, it's on TMO in apps4meego thread. you also can ask me or rzr or anyone here for help :P23:34
ptlI see but I use scratcbox. Is there a tutorial or mini-howto for using the meego build system with it?23:35
ZogG_laptopptl: i don't use sb, but afaik it's same as for scratchbox, all you need to make dsc and tar.gz and upload them to OBS23:36
infoboti guess obs is opensuse build service, used around MeeGo
ZogG_laptopptl: here is wiki ^23:36
ZogG_laptopthere are links inside for other wikis :P one of them has it all23:36
rzrI mentor u23:37
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Sazpaimone-yes, ping23:59

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