IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2012-08-10

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pait looks like it's compulsory to have a desktop icon for apps in the store00:29
pabut if i create a command line app? what is the icon supposed to do ther?00:29
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deramnice would be executing terminal with the set command00:30
pagood idea..00:30
pabut if the user doesnt have dev mode enabled?00:31
padoes he have terminal?00:31
deramno he does not00:31
paso i probably should make a gui with a text field where to pass the params to my bin00:32
paand run it with popen/system/whatever00:32
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sigmaorionI'm in troubles trying to make my app work with every N9 at RDA... it works in some of them and shows a blank screen in others02:14
sigmaorionall of them with PR1.102:14
sigmaorionhow can I debug my app in a phone at RDA?02:15
sigmaorionin QML using console.log("....") doesn't show at the debug console in RDA... it's allways empty :(02:15
sigmaorionany ideas?02:15
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ieatlintanyone have any experience with the DocumentGalleryModel? is based on QDocumentGallery, and am using it to display the phone's images04:57
ieatlintloads them all fine and displays them, but the "orientation" attribute/property is always 004:58
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ieatlintso i can't detect which images were taken at a 90 degree rotation versus regular portrait04:58
ieatlinterr, the other thing, landscape, heh04:59
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DocScrutinizer05ieatlint: you think the QDocumentGallery "orientation" attribute/property might get filled by err what... those camera generated additional photo info bits which the name of I forgot?05:20
DocScrutinizer05you probably will have to move that from one to the other in object constructor05:21
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DocScrutinizer05I'd rather expect to see the display actually rotate 90° when setting this QDocumentGallery "orientation" attribute/property to anything but 005:22
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ieatlintwell, i'm just using the provided qtmobility qml implementation of it, not my own model05:29
ieatlintit gives me file name, path and the exif timestamp of the photo05:29
ieatlintthe orientation should be the exif provided orientation...05:29
ieatlintbut instead, always 0.. not sure where i would otherwise provide it without reimplementing the whole model05:30
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itsnotabigtruckwhich countries drink a lot of espresso, apart from italy?06:46
itsnotabigtruckneat espresso, that is, not lattes and stuff06:46
hiemanshuamerica i think?06:47
itsnotabigtruckhiemanshu: nah, hardly anyone in the us drinks espresso neat06:47
itsnotabigtrucki do but i'm hardly anyone :p06:47
hiemanshuno idea06:48
hiemanshuI drink a lot of too06:48
hiemanshubut sadly too much blood in my black coffee stream :/06:48
itsnotabigtrucki think the french usually do brewed coffee06:48
itsnotabigtruckoften mixed with milk06:49
itsnotabigtruckstarbucks made lattes and other milky espresso drinks popular in the us in the 90s06:49
itsnotabigtruckand lol06:49
itsnotabigtruckactually looks like espresso is standard in .fr06:52
itsnotabigtruckit's tricky because the coffee terminology doesn't carry over from language to language06:53
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itsnotabigtruckok, i was searching and i found another page that contradicts that06:56
itsnotabigtruckwhatever, who knows06:56
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: sup08:02
ZogG_laptopbeford: i saw you going to write something location related for contest08:03
ZogG_laptopbeford: oh, you as MacOS user, is TextMate that good?08:04
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: not a lot08:07
befordnever used it08:07
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: haven't talked to you for a while :/08:07
befordgot TextWrangler from the appstore, it was free, nothing can't beat that08:08
ZogG_laptopbeford: it TextMate went opensource today08:08
befordwell that beats free08:09
befordI could give it a try to compile it if it works on 10.6.8 with an out of date xcode, or I'll have to wait until I get the new os08:09
ZogG_laptopbeford: linux!!!!08:12
befordno way08:12
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: yeah, i haven't been on that much08:12
itsnotabigtruckworking full time isn't helping08:12
itsnotabigtruckusually you guys are off by the time i'm on08:12
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: don't say so, you always make me on :)08:12
beford:ultra gay:08:13
ZogG_laptopbeford: you doing it wrong — «ultragay.png»08:13
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befordI like the gif version
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hiemanshubeford: use Sublime Text08:47
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heymasterafter textmate open sourced i heard about sublime :)08:53
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hiemanshuI have been using sublime for a while, pretty awesome09:12
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pahow do i explain or specify, on the store, that my app requires PR1.3 or 1.2?09:17
pathe nokia guy tested it with 001 and it failed09:17
ZogG_laptoppa: you may write in the comment09:17
pado they get it?09:17
ZogG_laptopit might be possible that you have option in publish09:18
ZogG_laptopi don't remember09:18
pai havent seen09:18
ZogG_laptopwhere you chose region and all that stuff09:19
ZogG_laptopafaik i remember09:19
jonnipa: you can Depends: a package version which is only in pr1.3 or 1.2, that way ovi store client forces the upgrade of firmware09:23
ZogG_laptopjonni: morning09:23
pado you know one?09:24
jonnidepends what you want, pr1.2+ ?09:25
pahm ok.. even tho i tested it only on 1.309:25
jonnior do you want to force 1.3 only?09:26
pamaybe 1.309:26
ZogG_laptoppa: make depend on harmattan-pr-1.3 :)09:26
paand then if i get to text it on 1.2, i will change09:26
jonnidont make it dependant on harmattan-pr-1.3, that will break n95009:26
ZogG_laptopbtw OVI still has problems with versions and updates09:26
jonniohwell you will break n950 with Depends anyways, unless you only want pr1.2+ depency09:27
pahm ok lets try 1.209:27
pawell n950 is not a big deal09:27
pawhos gonna use sportstracker on n950 anyway09:27
ZogG_laptoppa: did you wrote sportstracker?09:27
ZogG_laptoplemme see lemme see lemme see !!! :P09:27
pawell if only nokia would QA pass it..09:28
paso Build-Depends:  harmattan-pr-1.3 ?09:29
jonniI would not depend on that one, just wait a bit and I dig out a better one09:29
paah ok thanks09:29
pais it possible that it fails on 1.1 because of the qml QtQuick 1.1, 1.1 and 1.1?09:30
Elleoyou might want to set up the emulator with a 1.1 image and test it yourself09:31
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ElleoI had someone from nokia QA fail one of my apps as not being compatible with 1.1, turned out they'd just made a mistake when testing it09:31
ZogG_laptopElleo: sup09:31
Elleoseems that 1.1 doesn't have pyside stuff in the repos on a clean image, so it claims python based things are uninstallable unless you let it do an apt-get update first09:32
ElleoZogG_laptop: hey09:32
jonnipa: Depends: libqt4 (>= 4.7.4~git20120112-0maemo1+0m7)09:36
jonnipa: that way it forces atleast PR1.209:36
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jonnipa: (and also would work on latest N950 pr1.2 beta)09:37
ZogG_laptopjonni: made diff to kernels, a lot of patches there :P09:38
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ZogG_laptopjonni:  cat nokia.patch |wc -l = 63869209:40
ZogG_laptopwhat you say, wich version i should go with :P09:41
jonniZogG_laptop: heh, then maybe you should stay on current nokia version, and backport wanted features on top of that one :)09:42
ZogG_laptopjonni: are we searching for easy answers :P09:42
ZogG_laptop diff -rupN torvalds-linux-459b3d5 kernel-2.6.32/ > nokia.patch09:42
ZogG_laptopthat was right way to go, right?09:42
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pajonni, thanks09:47
pawith that string dpkg-buildpackage complains about unallowed characters09:51
jonnipa:  Depends: libqt4 (>= 4.7.4~git20120112)09:53
ZogG_laptopjonni: how bad is it to get "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!" ?09:54
pa:-1: error: Packaging Error: Command dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 309:55
paactually even with >= 4.7.4  it fails09:56
ZogG_laptopstupid me09:56
ZogG_laptopi did it wrong :)09:56
jonnipa: Depends: libqt4 (>=4.7.4~git20120112)09:57
jonnimaybe the space was too much :)09:57
jonniZogG_laptop: usually means that you have diffed wrong versions09:57
pait seems its not the space09:57
jonnipa: or you need to use scratchbox09:58
ZogG_laptopjonni: i did it right, i just for no reason applied patch to the nokia patched version :p09:58
jonnipa: or you just have some other typo in you control file, pastebin is one option :). Anyways I always use sb to make releases, so I havent tested version depencies on qtcreator10:01
ZogG_laptopjonni: i think i'll fail to patch it :P too messy :P but i'll try to patch whatever it will succeed10:03
jonniZogG_laptop: did you make patch agains 2.6.32, or against kernel? ;)10:05
jonnias you wc -l sounds a bit big :)10:06
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ZogG_laptopjonni: 2.6.32 :)10:19
jonniheh, fail10:19
ZogG_laptopjonni: is rc-what?10:19
hiemanshuZogG_laptop: 32.54 will be 32.54 :P10:20
ZogG_laptophiemanshu: jonni
ZogG_laptophiemanshu: it's the tags linus uses :P10:22
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ZogG_laptopok found it10:24
ZogG_laptopgetting it from kernel.org10:24
ZogG_laptopgithub was mistake ._.10:24
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ZogG_laptopjonni: cat nokia.patch |wc -l = 55528310:30
hiemanshufinally replacement N950 shipped :D10:32
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befordmine should be somewhere in the states10:35
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hiemanshumine is in germany on the way to india10:56
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TheBootrooon a NOkia N9, PR1.3, the following code  QImage img = contactInfo.detail<QContactThumbnail>().thumbnail();     // return an empty image even on contacts which have a thumbnail image12:44
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ZogG_laptopkhertan_: sup :P13:05
khertan_ZogG_laptop, ?13:06
ZogG_laptopkhertan_: asking you "how are you?"13:06
infobotYo zogg_laptop, how's it going eh?13:06
khertan_:) a bit tired13:06
jussiis n9 rm696 or rm680 ?13:06
ZogG_laptopjussi rm696 i think as 680 is n95013:07
jussiZogG_laptop: great, thanks13:07
khertan_trying to understand why my pc mainboard ethernet isn't working anymore13:07
jussiand what are the default user/pass for harmattan?13:07
khertan_maybe the bios flash kill it13:07
ZogG_laptopkhertan_: updated something lately?13:07
ZogG_laptopjussi: there are no, you trying to ssh?13:08
jussiZogG_laptop: yes13:08
ZogG_laptopjussi: set the developer-tools and ssh to developer@PHONE_IP13:08
ZogG_laptopthe password would be in SDK Connective mode or something like that in apps13:09
ZogG_laptopkhertan_: you flashed bios?13:09
ZogG_laptopkhertan_: update or what was the reason?13:09
jussiZogG_laptop: Ill have a look, thanks13:09
ZogG_laptopjussi: i think it's in wiki13:09
khertan_ZogG_laptop, reason was a bug in bios preventing using vte13:09
jussi(been playing with nemo too long, cant remember the harmattan stuff :D )13:09
ZogG_laptopjussi: you could change password for user with passwd but not sure if it will allow you to ssh13:10
khertan_ZogG_laptop, it does13:13
khertan_i always use user13:13
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ZogG_laptopjussi: than go with passwd13:16
ZogG_laptopkhertan_: i use developer as i setted passwrodless access with keys thru qtcreator and didn't bother to do the same for user13:16
ZogG_laptopit doesn't matter if i type user or developer as both i need to type :P13:17
pajonni, so like this it works   , but if i add the () part, it complains. i was also thinkning of leaving it like that, and adding the control using ar? could that be an option?13:18
pa>= 4 works, >=4.7 does not13:20
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jonnipa: your example will atleast never work, since you only have autofilled fields in Depends line, which is automaticly filled depending on your env13:26
jonniwhich autofills pr1.0 versions13:27
paah so there is where i should put it. but yes, it is automatically generated by qtcreator13:28
pahm not13:29
pa, let me try then13:29
jonniyou need to replace ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, ie look what it resolvs to from ready .deb file, and then append that qt depency to the end13:29
payep now it works13:29
paactually it works also without replacing13:29
pathis is weeird:  meetrainer depends on libqt4 (>= 4.7.4-git20120112-0maemo1+0m7); however:  Version of libqt4 on system is 4.7.4~git20120327-0maemo1+0m8.13:31
pathe tilde13:32
pagood now it works :) thanks jonni !13:33
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ZogG_laptoppa: so you wrote sportstracker app?13:35
panow i need to add some charting to it13:36
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pa(which by the way sportstracker doesnt have on harmattan)13:42
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khertan_desktopZogG_laptop, i recover mainboard13:55
ZogG_laptopkhertan_desktop: \o/13:55
khertan_desktoplook like the last firmware from asus has other nasty bugs13:55
ZogG_laptopwhat was the problemm13:55
khertan_desktophopefully i ve made a backup of my bios before flashing13:55
khertan_desktopanyway still not vte13:56
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ZogG_laptopHurrian: sup14:06
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HurrianZogG_laptop, sup14:09
ZogG_laptopHurrian: how is your phone?14:09
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Hurrianmy Harmattan or Fremantle one?14:10
ZogG_laptopboth :P14:10
Hurrianit's fine, if lacking apps.14:10
ZogG_laptopapps like?14:10
HurrianMy Fremantle phone's running some testing crap, and being used as a beside web browser ;)14:10
HurrianZogG_laptop, emulators and a video website client.14:11
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ZogG_laptopHurrian: i think there is emulator14:12
ZogG_laptopRST38h: did you port your emulator to Harmattan?14:12
ZogG_laptopHurrian: and what video website clietns, there are few for youtube14:12
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ZogG_laptopand there is gpodder for podcast)including videos) and there is 2 clients for TED14:13
ZogG_laptopand TED is awesome site btw :P14:13
Hurrianwait, just pulled up a new google search. Seems that there's emumaster, and cutetube for Harmattan.14:13
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ZogG_laptopyoutude-dl and youtube-hd and official youtube client on phone14:15
ZogG_laptopand emumaster is in ovi i think14:15
ZogG_laptopHurrian: but you need to see the TED app :P14:15
HurrianZogG_laptop, the official YouTube client is a web shortcut. Ouch.14:16
ZogG_laptopit works, who cares14:16
ZogG_laptopi don't watch youtube anyways on phone14:17
HurrianI still kinda miss cutetube on Fremantle's ability to download video/audio, which was nice to have.14:17
HurrianAnybody else recommend decent native Harmattan games?14:18
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paby the way, no one interested in packaging snx for harmattan?14:18
ZogG_laptopHurrian: i have few games i can recommend :P14:19
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HurrianCool. Hit me.14:19
TheBootrooQContact thumbnail on N9 anyone ?14:20
ZogG_laptopHurrian: BrainParty port by thp :P SpeedX Gravity Guy, I must Run, Burn The City, Snuggle Truck, Mahjong, SwipeMeeOut, Unravel, Dilemma14:20
ZogG_laptopor and samurai2 is awesome14:21
ZogG_laptopPocket RPG as well14:21
ZogG_laptopGravity Guy and SpeedX samurai2 are the most awesome i say14:21
HurrianAwesome, checking those out now.14:21
ZogG_laptopHurrian: not sure if samurai2 is avilable :( but you can find it in internets. SpeedX is the first game on phone i ever bought :P14:22
ZogG_laptopHurrian: you got n950 right?14:23
HurrianNah, N9.14:23
ZogG_laptopjust wanted to say that daily use N9 is better imho :P14:23
ZogG_laptops/daily/for daily/14:23
infobotZogG_laptop meant: just wanted to say that for daily use N9 is better imho :P14:23
ZogG_laptopHurrian: btw did you install apps4meego already?14:24
HurrianZogG_laptop, I've heard. Bad signal quality, HWKB bugs, not having gorilla glass and $2000 prototype.14:24
ZogG_laptopvi__ is selling his :(14:24
Hurriannah, that repo's too bare for now, although I'll get around to it if I want to grab Numptyphysics14:24
ZogG_laptopHurrian: still not there, and you are wrong, e.g. gpodder there for free and you have few good text editors and apps14:25
HurrianO rly? Last I heard he didn't quite like Harmattan and put it back in the box.14:25
HurrianZogG_laptop, I edit files with nano, but I'll check out the new stuff in A4M.14:26
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ZogG_laptopHurrian: khertan made text editor and app for notes on clouds =)14:26
HurrianSomething like Evernote? If so, that would be nice.14:27
ZogG_laptopand you can help with QA reviewing to pull apps to stable14:27
ZogG_laptopthere is Evernote for n9 btw :)14:27
HurrianThanks for the advice, I've been using my N9 just as a phone until late.14:28
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ZogG_laptopHurrian: let's see, apps i recommend are FileBox, wazapp, Waze, Hellium, MeeCast(as well to set it as widget on feed screen instead of stock),MeeScan, Screenshootme, DropCache, battery Usage, fLPMC, FingerTerm,Eyrie, Fm Radio, LastFM, gPodder,Molome, irc-chatter14:33
ZogG_laptopoh and there is few apps to set calendar on feed :P14:35
HurrianZogG_Laptop, which FM radio app are you using?14:35
ZogG_laptopHurrian: the first one was made, i think the best simple gui and it's free14:36
HurrianAlright, cool.14:36
ZogG_laptopand i mean for radio radio and not internet radio14:37
HurrianAlright, the Apps for MeeGo client ironically works and looks better than the Nokia Store client.14:38
ZogG_laptopas well i don't want to support them, when he took job of person who made it possible and made it for free, while others just make money on it14:38
ZogG_laptopHurrian: install the testing repo14:38
HurrianZogG_laptop, doing right now for Helium14:39
HurrianHow could Nokia omit a UPNP client for a device with a UPNP server?14:39
ZogG_laptopenable it in settings and link account to to comment and QA review14:39
Hurrianwhelp, time to sign up for a account.14:39
ZogG_laptopHurrian: some apps might be in OVI as well, but updates popup in A4M faster and some of them free on A4M and paid on OVI14:40
TheBootrooanyone knows where to find the thumbnail image for a contact using Qt in Harmattan ? QContact thumbnail() returns an empty img !14:40
radiofreeTheBootroo: stored in nco:photo?14:44
TheBootrooradiofree: i dunno, in symbian i use QContact thumbnail and it work , but on harmattan this image is empty14:45
TheBootrooradiofree: i use the following code  QImage img = contactInfo.detail<QContactThumbnail>().thumbnail();14:46
TheBootrooradiofree: with contactInfo being a correct QContact (it has phone number and name)14:47
radiofreesounds like a bug14:49
radiofreeyou could read it directly from tracker, but it sounds like you don't want to do that :)14:50
TheBootrooradiofree: yeah i don't want to use other libs than Qt, will be annoying for deploy and test14:51
HurrianZogG_laptop, odd, I can't seem to login to the Apps for MeeGo client using my account14:51
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ZogG_laptopHurrian: did you link it on site? and there was problem with none latin chars btw14:53
HurrianThere, seems to work now. Probably needed some time to link with SSO.14:54
ZogG_laptopmystics :P14:55
ZogG_laptopHurrian: you are welcome to try and review my app as well btw :P14:55
ZogG_laptopHurrian: and when u review, do not forget to mark the first question, as it actually wich counts and it's off by default and screws the review, so people need even more positive reviews after to get to stable =\14:56
HurrianAlright. Testing Helium to control my WMP.14:57
HurrianI'll be testing other apps soon enough.14:57
ZogG_laptopkhertan: you uploaded your app i see, and renamed it, gonna check and review it :P14:57
HurrianOoh, renderer control works. This is fancy.14:58
ZogG_laptopHurrian: there is also plugin to use share menu for that :P14:59
ZogG_laptopthanks to phako ;)14:59
* phako reads15:02
ZogG_laptopphako: we are talking how cool you are15:02
phakoHurrian: I know how they could but that's nda15:02
Hurrianphako, how what could?15:03
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phako"<Hurrian> How could Nokia omit a UPNP client for a device with a UPNP server?"15:03
ZogG_laptopphako: wasn't your app in ovi?15:04
phakoTheBootroo: the thumbnails are cached in /home/user/.contacts15:04
phakoZogG_laptop: no. Just PushUp + TweakUp15:04
ZogG_laptopphako: they lose15:05
phakoTheBootroo: I think15:06
phakoZogG_laptop: need to iron out the UX first15:06
ZogG_laptopphako: so with proper UI they'll get it? isn't it related to UPNP ?15:07
phakoer what?15:07
HurrianHmm, UPNP file listing doesn't work for music. I remember it not working in Fremantle and my PS3 too, so let's try using a different UPNP server.15:07
ZogG_laptopHurrian: afaik there is problem with PS315:08
ZogG_laptopHurrian: so you have PS3 too ? OFW or CFW?15:09
HurrianZogG_laptop, I was talking about listing files from UPNP server (Windows built-in). Both my PS3 and Fremantle have the problem, so I'm chalking it up to network or UPNP server implementation.15:09
phakoHurrian: nah, that should work15:10
HurrianZogG_laptop: 3.55 debug-converted, with CFW. When I feel like playing my little girl games, I upgrade to 4.20, then when I feel like playing with Linux, I roll back to 3.55.15:10
TheBootroophako: thk but i found a solution : use QContactAvatar.imageUrl() instead of QContact.detail<QContactThumbnail>();15:10
Hurrianphako, I'll try other UPNP servers before filing a bug15:10
phakoTheBootroo: Ah, there's a slight difference in avatar and thumbnail  IIRC15:11
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HurrianBTW, anyone else noticed bounce effect when flicking the volume slider in the renderer tab for Helium?15:11
phakoHurrian: yes. I know that15:11
HurrianAlright, I'm happy with this. Just a tiny little niggle - when device icons are enabled, it takes up a whole column.15:14
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ZogG_laptopHurrian: no linux on mine and no debug convertion :(15:15
HurrianZogG_laptop, get some sort of flasher, ASAP. It's worth the afternoon to do so.15:16
ZogG_laptopHurrian: meh i just play on it. i have linux on laptop, pc , phone and going to get rpi soon. My GF is close to kill me anyway :P15:17
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HurrianZogG_laptop, your favorite game ISN'T Linux? ;)15:23
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ZogG_laptopHurrian: i wanted to get linux there, but than... what for?15:25
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HurrianDecent web browser on a TV-size screen, playing with powerpc64 (anyone considering a Mer target for PPC?), and the cheapest "Gaming PC" you can get.15:27
phakobecause you can? ;)15:27
ZogG_laptopi don't play on pc actually15:29
ZogG_laptopthough it would be nice to play starcraft2 there or both portals15:29
HurrianZogG_laptop: gaming PC - playing with Linux, and reboot to play regular games.15:30
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ZogG_laptopHurrian: i don't play with linux that much nowdays, i want to learn few things i'm trying to play with, nothing more15:31
HurrianZogG_laptop, I'm always curious during my free time.15:33
Hurrianback on #harmattan-related topic: MeeCast looks a lot better than the built in weather client.15:33
HurrianCan I use this to completely replace Accuweather services?15:34
phakoHurrian: yes, you can15:34
HurrianAll of it, even event feed one?15:34
phakoHurrian: yup15:34
HurrianInstant install.15:34
phakoHurrian: there's something in the options that explains you what to do15:34
ZogG_laptopHurrian: even add it to lockscreen and to LPM screen :P15:35
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Hurrian...and installing, just because Accuweather is a horribly-made app. This one looks sexy.15:37
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radiofreeTheBootroo: well there's QtSparql for tracker access, but it's overkill just to get an image path...16:03
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djszapiHi! Is the N9 totally unlocked for sim cards?16:58
djszapiI had the impression, it is.16:58
* vladest upgrading n950 to pr1.316:59
vladestcrossed fingers16:59
phakodjszapi: I'd say this depends whether you bought a branded or not.17:00
djszapiunsure what you mean17:00
djszapiI have not ever bought any n9s17:00
phakowell then if the N9 that fell of the truck was a branded one or not17:03
djszapiunsure what you mean17:03
mgedmindjszapi, he/she means that some N9 will be totally unlocked, and some N9 may be locked17:04
mgedmine.g. the one I have is totally unlocked17:05
mgedminI do not know for sure if carriers can sim-lock the ones they sell with contracts17:05
* mgedmin looks at /whois and decides 'Jens' is probably a 'he' :)17:05
ZogG_laptopvladest: and how did it go?17:07
vladestZogG_laptop: rebooting17:07
Hurrianvladest, it seems that N950 no-warranty notice is preserved through the PR1.3 upgrade17:08
vladestoh wait17:09
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vladesthow to check if its really updated?17:10
ZogG_laptopvladest: in settings or maybe kernel version17:10
HurrianZogG_laptop, I doubt kernel in N950 and N9 is same17:12
vladestok, got non warranty disclaimer17:12
vladestanyway /me waiting for another 2 N9's17:12
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ZogG_laptopvladest: what for? and is it pr1.3 for n950 or hdirty update?17:13
Hurrianvladest, just a question, is the HWKB bug in N950 that bad?17:13
ZogG_laptopi dont use n950 much but i experienced it and it is17:14
vladestZogG_laptop: what for what?17:14
djszapimgedmin: do I really need to repeat "unsure what you mean"?17:15
vladestHurrian: not sure I aware of the bug17:15
ZogG_laptopvladest: ?17:15
djszapiI have told it is not coming from any operator, but directly from Nokia.17:15
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djszapisecond, "keeping repeating that once is locked the other is uncloked" is a bit useless17:15
vladestZogG_laptop: ZogG_laptopvladest: what for?17:15
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djszapiif you have no more information, just say that, it is ok to not know this...17:15
vladestZogG_laptop: its not official update using tweaks17:16
ZogG_laptopvladest: oh, that's what i wanted to know17:16
Hurriandjszapi, if you're getting a device from Nokia, it isn't locked17:16
ZogG_laptopvladest: i just thought to update mine but why to bother )17:16
phakodjszapi: then the fuck ask "is MY n9 completely unlocked"17:16
djszapiyes, like I said, that was my impression17:16
vladestthats makes sense17:16
djszapiHurrian: thanks17:16
phakonot if the N9s are completely unlocked17:16
djszapiphako: good luck on my ignore list17:16
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Hurrian*NOTE: I assume you were referring to network operator lock. Some people may be asking about Aegis ;)17:17
mgedmin(please excuse me for failing to read your mind -- or the entire IRC backlog where you may have mentioned that you received an N9 from Nokia)17:17
phakoHurrian: oh no, don't go there17:17
ZogG_laptopi got confused what's going on and what the girls are fighting about?17:17
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phakoZogG_laptop: I asked what mgedmin asked in a slightly less polite way17:18
vladestahha. about product -> version: pr1.317:18
* mgedmin didn't ask anything!17:18
phakoer said17:18
* mgedmin also didn't curse :)17:18
ZogG_laptopmgedmin: sup17:18
phakomgedmin: Alredy said I was less polite ;)17:19
pathey closed demonoid.. ;(17:19
ZogG_laptopmgedmin: didn't see yoou around for a while17:19
ZogG_laptoppa: so?17:19
mgedmineh, I'm usually lurking quietly17:19
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ZogG_laptopmgedmin are you a ninja?17:20
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: mazal tov on N917:21
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: didn't you have one or few before?17:21
djszapiZogG_laptop: sorry, I am busy now.17:21
ZogG_laptopi would make a joke but i think people are not in the mood here17:22
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djszapiZogG_laptop: correct, I am not much in a mood for that, unfortunately.17:25
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: other day :) just smile and everything would be ok17:26
djszapiZogG_laptop: cannot without internet connection for the weekend17:26
djszapiand the sim card provider is not just unhelpful, and they blame my N917:26
djszapifor not working.17:26
djszapiI am fully sure it is unlocked17:26
djszapithey keep repeating that might be a problem17:26
djszapiis just*17:27
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: what is the problem excatly and did it work on other n9 or n950 or other phone?17:27
djszapiI do not have other.17:27
djszapiit is really stupid hard to get connected to the internet in Ireland.17:28
djszapikinda unbeliavable.17:28
djszapianyway, I stop flooding the channel with my tiny issue. :)17:28
ZogG_laptopcheck TMO i saw few threads i think about connection and operator and lemme check if i have settings there, though i think i had it out of the box17:28
djszapiI had internet connection with vodafone and usb stick17:29
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djszapibut they cannot provide unlimited for a month, just 5 GB17:29
djszapiso I have just tried to switch to another provider.17:29
djszapiwhich turns out even more awkward17:29
djszapiand you cannot get UPS, phone internet and other stuff without one year contract, or a beefy cancellation fee.17:30
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: did you try to set it manually?17:30
djszapiso the whole situation sucks in root.17:30
ZogG_laptopin settings you can i think17:30
djszapimy colleague purchased me the sim card with my wish yesterday in the city17:30
djszapisince the operator does not have a store in the town anymore17:30
djszapibut my colleague is gone for the week17:31
djszapisince 3pm :)17:31
djszapicannot ask him where17:31
djszapiand the stupid customer service blames my N9 which is utterly stupid17:31
djszapiif I go to the settings, I am getting the message, data charge may be applied17:31
merlin1991javispedro: the soundsettings applet uses a mtf wdiget/whatever from libcontentmanager for selecting the sound files for the various notifications17:31
djszapiwhich I have not experienced when I had top mobile internet connection for my Finnish card17:32
javispedromerlin1991: ah, but not for building a applet itself17:32
djszapiit just worked out of the box automatically.17:32
merlin1991javispedro: it's needed17:32
merlin1991because ContentItemsSheet.h is missing17:32
djszapiso the "data charge may apply" whispers that to me, it is actually not activated.17:32
merlin1991which I suppose is inside the contentmanager-dev deb17:32
javispedromerlin1991: I built a controlpanel applet like 48h ago17:32
merlin1991javispedro: try to build the soundsettings applet17:33
javispedroyou are confusing me =)17:33
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javispedroit's required for that specific applet, ok :)17:33
merlin1991which is part of a bigger sourcepackage17:33
merlin1991called meegotouch-controlpanelsomething17:33
djszapiZogG_laptop: what I really find weird, I cannot pay online for getting data plan.17:33
djszapieven if it was somehow missed at the face to face purchase.17:33
djszapistupid customer service is stupid.17:34
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: :P17:34
djszapiI believe those people should switch to agriculture here.17:34
djszapiand they refused the request to connect to their supervisors.17:35
djszapiunsure, if they can do that.17:35
djszapiif they can, I am out of my luck. :)17:35
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merlin1991javispedro: check the package duicontrolpanel-soundsettingsapplet which is built from meegotouch-controlpanelapplets but needs the ContentItemsSheet.h and is linked against libcontentmanager17:40
javispedromerlin1991: how does mer handle this?17:40
merlin1991isn't that against the gpl already?17:40
djszapimerlin1991: nope, unfortunately.17:40
javispedromerlin1991: nokia owns the copyright for everything around that so there would be no case17:40
MohammadAGjavispedro: What's my idea? :P17:40
djszapiunless you asked for a specific code, and you have not received that.17:40
merlin1991javispedro: there is an #ifdev USE_CONTENT_ITEMSHEET but there's also a #define USE_CONTENT_ITEMSHEET a few lines up17:41
javispedroMohammadAG: sources repo:
djszapiplus, I do not suppose they leave out a source intentionally, so it is a bit rude to throw such words at them...17:41
MohammadAGAh :)17:41
merlin1991javispedro: but since the controlpanel is mtf and gui I guess mer does not even contain it17:41
MohammadAGMight make a mirror of it :P17:41
javispedrooh, the last build of Mer I tried still had duicontrolpanel =)17:41
* javispedro hides17:42
DocScrutinizer05cdrom.iso ETA: 5min17:42
MohammadAGMTF FTW17:42
HurrianDocScrutinizer05, Harmattan Source ISO?17:42
merlin1991javispedro: actually why cdrom iso?17:42
merlin1991isn't it a dvd?17:42
javispedromerlin1991: that's the volume label, blame mkisofs for such a stupid default :)17:43
DocScrutinizer05ETA 60s17:43
merlin1991hm cdrom.iso eta 22m here17:43
merlin1991hm libthai is still not part of the sources17:44
djszapimerlin1991: ask for that /explicitely/17:44
javispedrothere are some weirder omissions, dpkg itself for example =)17:44
DocScrutinizer05here you are:
djszapijavispedro: the wrapper or the original?17:45
javispedrodjszapi: both17:45
merlin1991libthai is a runtime dependency of qt4-x11 and seems to be a debian package of
djszapijavispedro: intentional17:45
DocScrutinizer05now what's been the true magic incantation of md5sum? cat fobar.md5|md5sum ?17:45
djszapijavispedro: wrapper is never meant to be free17:45
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: just run md5sum cdrom.iso and compare visually =)17:45
djszapithe other is upstream17:45
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: md5sum -c foobar.md517:45
djszapihmm, we have made some mods, I think.17:45
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: tnx17:46
djszapiso yep, you should ask for that explicitely.17:46
javispedrodjszapi: yes, missing original dpkg source is quite a mistake17:46
djszapijavispedro: yep, ask again17:46
djszapiI am sure they do not wanna violate anything17:46
javispedro a few more "missing"17:47
djszapiit is a pure process mistake.17:47
DocScrutinizer05wow, security by obscurity17:47
merlin1991btw javispedro check the entry of libthai in /var/lib/dpkg/status   to mee it look like someone just ran the debhelper init command (whatever it was) and built a package without adjusting anything17:48
DocScrutinizer05[joerg@lagrange 1.3]$ md5sum -c cdrom.iso.md5sum17:48
DocScrutinizer05cdrom.iso: OK17:48
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: many thanks :-D17:48
javispedroto you17:49
merlin1991just for the fun of wasting a bit more disk space:
ZogG_laptopmerlin1991: is it you promissed me to upload before? =)17:53
merlin1991it was me asking for a source of the image :D17:54
ZogG_laptopsomeone here said he would upload like a week ago17:54
ZogG_laptopand i think he did :)17:54
ZogG_laptopi just don't remember the nick17:54
merlin1991just wondering, does it make more sense to ask for a complete dvd myself before asking for things like libthai especially?17:55
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javispedromerlin1991: the libthai entry looks sane here17:58
javispedromerlin1991: I think that you should ask17:58
javispedromaybe they'll check and recreate the image17:58
ZogG_laptopi think it's not gonna happen17:59
merlin1991javispedro: check the parts of the entry about Description: and Hompage:17:59
ZogG_laptopi think they use same iso to make cds and send them17:59
javispedroZogG_laptop: which is why i say recreate the image ;P18:00
javispedromerlin1991: oh, touché.18:00
ZogG_laptopjavispedro: i don't think anyone would bother18:01
javispedroZogG_laptop: they would be in violation of the GPL18:01
javispedroseems like reason enough =)18:01
ZogG_laptopoh, if that, than maybe18:05
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javispedroGeneralAntilles: finally doing something again with Sowatch: :)18:15
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, woo, woo!18:15
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dm8tbrjavispedro: ooooo...18:15
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, is there any way to make the QML font rendering on the watch resemble the watch's built-in fonts?18:15
javispedroGeneralAntilles: I'm making it use the watch's built-in fonts actually18:16
javispedroer... going to make it use :)18:16
GeneralAntillesAh, excellent.18:16
javispedroproblem is non-ascii chars :(18:16
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, you need to have a donation bin so people can finance your next watch. :P18:16
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, bug the MetaWatch people about that?18:17
RST38hmoo, javispedro18:17
javispedroGeneralAntilles: told me to "make the missing chars myself" =)18:17
GeneralAntillesMorning, RST38h.18:17
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, haha18:18
GeneralAntillesWonder what font building software is out there. . . .18:18
javispedrohey RST38h18:18
RST38hWho is running QML on a watch here? Do you do it by biting into a tall green mushroom or what?18:18
dm8tbrjavispedro: analog support *bigroundeyes* can haz? :)18:18
GeneralAntillesMaybe we should finance a watch or wazd and con him into doing it.18:18
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Maybe we should finance a watch for wazd and con him into doing it.18:18
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, I'll look at it in the next few weeks.18:21
javispedrocurrently Qt falls back automatically on "some other font" so it's not an important issue18:22
djszapiZogG_laptop: are you also biking?18:22
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, it is an ugly issue, though. :P18:22
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djszapiphako: I am sorry for the affair from my side18:49
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, oh, how hard would it be to add MeeCast support?19:02
javispedrolet me check it19:03
javispedrostupid nokia store19:07
javispedrofirefox not available, meecast not available19:07
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farhad2161|2i have problem with nokia suite.can i ask it here?19:25
farhad2161|2infobot ?19:25
farhad2161|2infobot /?19:25
infobot[/] home, sweet home19:25
farhad2161|2infobot -?19:25
infobotit has been said that - is this something later than 10-10-01 source ?19:25
farhad2161|2infobot help19:25
dm8tbrfarhad2161|2: you might want to try #n9 sounds like a user problem19:26
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Lava_Croftam i backwards for using the N9 as a wifi hotspot for my N900?19:42
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Venemo_N9Lava_Croft, yes, totally19:47
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pahow do i update scratchbox to pr1.3?19:52
paif it makes sense at all what im saying :p19:53
Venemo_N9pa, with apt19:55
padidnt know19:56
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merlin1991pa: simply put you don't20:00
merlin1991but you could grab the sources of pr1.3 and build those libs/things you need20:00
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paah okay. then probably i dont need it either20:04
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djszapipa I have made up a sport tracker up for me20:07
djszapibut very primitive :)20:07
djszapiand mostly a kde project initiation.20:07
djszapiwill test tomorrow at the 70-80 bike tour20:07
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padjszapi, cool20:12
payou can try out mine too20:12
paand compare :)20:12
pabut you will see that if u dont do any processing to the gps data, it will suck20:13
paand in any case, if you are interested, we can also cooperate instead of compete :)20:14
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djszapiwell, it is meant to be a KDE project20:20
djszapiif you wanna join, you are welcome.20:20
pakde mobile?20:20
djszapibut we need such a stuff in KDE.20:20
pado you? :)20:20
pabut then is that in qml or what?20:20
djszapinot kde mobile, kde edu20:21
djszapiyes, qml frontend is one of the ideas.20:22
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piggzanyone here used Qt to develop for the playbook?20:25
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piggzdjszapi: great, fancy helping me out? :)20:35
piggzi just need a little pointer in the right direction :)20:36
djszapipiggz: ask away20:37
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piggzi have 2 hello-world apps, with a simple  main.cpp only ..... one set up with mometics, the other as a qmake project......20:38
piggzboth include all the qt5 libs as assets and set ld_library_path20:39
piggzthe one made with mometics works, the other just seems to crash immediately20:39
piggzid like to not use mometics, as im not sure how to to all the qmake/moc stuff with it20:39
piggzany ideas?20:39
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djszapiI have no any clue what mometics is20:42
piggzdjszapi: the bb ndk ide (eclipse)20:42
djszapibut what is the root cause for the crash in backtrace?20:42
djszapiah right, I have used cli20:42
piggzi dont know how to get any logs20:42
djszapino miracle :-)20:42
piggzi would rather use hte cli :)20:43
djszapiI need to leave soon unfortunately.20:43
djszapiand I do not have internet at home20:43
djszapiuntil I ride 70-80 km by bike tomorrow to the nearest city :)20:43
djszapito buy one.20:43
djszapiI should be back tomorrow evening :)20:43
piggzi'll keep trying20:44
djszapiyou need to get a backtrace either way20:44
djszapior a lot of prints20:44
djszapito track the issue down20:44
djszapiI do nto think valgrind is mature enough on QNX20:44
djszapiso unfortunately, you cannot use that.20:44
padjszapi, wanna run 2 tracking apps tomorrow? (so you test mine a little : ))20:44
piggzdjszapi: how can i run on the playbook cli?20:44
piggzdjszapi: pa: 3, mine too ;) (pgz everytrail on ovi store)20:45
piggzim sure if i could see some output i could sort it20:45
piggzjsut need to get used to the playbook20:45
pabut urs is not free ;)20:46
djszapipiggz: have you followed the qt/blackebrry page?20:46
piggzpa: i gotta make some cash ;)20:46
djszapipa: yes, where can I find that?20:46
pabut thanks for the tip!20:46
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padjszapi, nowere, nokia is still QAing it, but i can put it somewhere for you, a moment20:46
piggzdjszapi: yes, ive read it in detail (you mean the wiki page?)20:46
djszapipiggz: yep20:47
piggzpa: what is your app like?20:50
paits like sportstracker20:50
palet say for the same purpose20:50
djszapipa: you have not contacted a ui designer, have you20:51
panope :)20:51
pabut i dont mind my ui :p20:52
paactually the monitor page is like that for a reason20:52
pai wanted to have it as black as possible20:52
paand the home screen.. well i had to make it in a rush20:52
paso yeah, it's 3 buttons20:52
piggzis is possible to ssh into a playbook and run an app from the cli?20:52
pabut suggestions are always appreciated :)20:56
pa(and constructive criticism :o)20:56
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piggzdjszapi: ah, progress...i have learned how to ssh in and get the logs21:03
piggzthe qnx platform is missing21:03
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piggzhmm, what happened there....21:05
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djszapipa: what sport do you take up?21:07
djszapiwhat sport do you take up21:07
djszapior you have just done your application for others ? :)21:07
* piggz wrote pgz everytrail for recording mountain biking and fell walking (and finding new such routes)21:08
pai've done a lot of cycling in the past, now i use it for hiking/jogging21:08
pabut with a good bike mount, i'd use for that too21:08
djszapiright, I am not the only biker here :)21:09
djszapipa: I would not21:09
djszapibecause if you lose your smart phone out there.21:09
djszapiit is chancy to get stolen21:09
djszapiit is not the same price as a fancy cycling computer :)21:09
payou gotta be careful, then :)21:10
djszapiyou were saying that you would use yoru stuff with a good mount21:10
pawell anyone who would leave the phone on the bike mount :)21:10
djszapiI would not use smartphone for such a stuff21:10
paideally it would be very well suited, if such app could support other sensors as well21:11
pasuch as cadence and ergometers21:11
pa(probably there are no bluetooth ergometers, tho)21:11
paand if the phone would have a gyro, it would be good to measure steepness too21:12
* djszapi is gone21:13
pagood luck21:13
djszapihave a nice weekend getlemen and ladies :)21:13
ajalkanefarewell and good weekend mr. djszapi21:14
djszapiajalkane: ttyl :)21:15
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piggzpa: here is an example of what my app records
paah let me check21:18
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papretty cool :)21:22
paby the way, how do i remove the qml files from the packaging, if i have them already as qrc? i tried to remove them from the pro file, but they get still in the package21:23
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vapehi there.. is there a way to install this OS on xperia x2 ?21:46
vapehas anyone tried it before "21:46
pavape, which os?21:48
pai dont think theres any way21:48
pamaybe its open source edition, but u should ask there21:48
vapewell.. i would appreciate anything but windows mobile..21:48
paheh :)21:49
paxperia x2 runs WM?21:49
pamaybe android then?21:49
vapehehehehehe... rubbis os21:49
paits more likely it has been ported21:50
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vapeyou know what's going on now ?? it's stuck on the screen alignement.. and it won't move forward  :):):D:D:D21:50
vapeam not sure about android..21:50
vapeany link you are aware of ?? i would appreciate21:50
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paif you google, it looks like some xda guys cooked some android roms for xperia x221:51
vapei tried two years ago.. there was nothing21:51
vapelemme google again21:51
paactually maybe not21:52
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piggzawesome, first playbook apps works....soon, playbook will have an everytrail app i guess!21:53
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pavape, it looks like you are stuck with it :)21:54
vapeso no chance to crack that dammed machine ?21:54
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pait looks like theres no way to put custom roms on that phone21:56
pathats why21:56
vapethere must be someone able to do that.. but that aint me..21:56
ajalkaneNext time when you're shopping for a phone, insist that you require a more open phone that's not "locked up" ;)21:59
RST38hyes yes ask that at&t representative for linux22:00
ajalkaneOPEN linux22:00
vapevery funny ajalkane.... just don't be clever... i may not have shopped for that phone right ?22:00
ajalkaneThey ship nowadays closed linuxes too :P22:01
ajalkanevape: okay... but the unfortunate truth is, many of the mobile phones are so locked down that it's practically impossible to modify them. Let alone install another OS to them.22:01
ajalkaneAs consumers our only chance is to demand more open devices. And vote with our wallets.22:02
vapeeven, my nice N9... got a problem the other day... and no way to fix it.. now it's with nokia shop.. and they are making me wait22:02
dm8tbreven on open hardware it's hard enough to make another OS fly22:02
ajalkaneExactly. Open hardware only give possibility to install another OS. It still requires lots of work.22:03
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ladogatoday i was walking around several finnish mobile n9s to be seen. it's quite funny how quickly nokia killed it...there's demand but no one sells it22:07
Corsacnot sure how much demand there is outside of this chan though22:07
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ajalkaneladoga: I don't think it's because the shops don't want to sell it, but that Nokia is running out of stock. And no more manufactured.22:08
ladogainstead they had huge stands for lumias...sometimes right at the entry and several sales persons pushing them to people22:08
ladogaCorsac: i know several people who want to get one22:09
ladogaCorsac: but can't find it here22:09
paajalkane, ah so they stopped the production?22:10
ladogaCorsac: + everyone in my family has N9 and about 10 people i know personally (work/friends)22:10
pai thought N9 was still in production, in china22:10
ladogaand lots of people have asked me where to buy one22:10
ajalkanepa: I don't know what the production is in china, I'm just looking at the situation in Finland. And it's obvious Finland is not getting N9s22:10
Corsacladoga: oh sure, 10 people, nice, I'm sure nokia will reactivate production unit for you :)22:10
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ladogaCorsac: that's only my friends and immediate surroundings22:11
paajalkane, well obviously the made in finland ones are not produced anymore, since nothing is produced in finland anymor :)22:11
Corsacladoga: you miss the point22:11
Corsacladoga: that's still nothing at those scale22:11
ladogaCorsac: i would say in finland as whole there would still be thousands of people who wanted to buy one22:11
Corsacnokia is not interested in selling 10 or 50 n9s, you know22:11
ajalkanepa: well yes, and Finland is not getting any china manufactured ones either. So at least in finland the situation looks like "end of line"22:11
ladogaCorsac: and it's a very small country22:12
paajalkane, well things have to change, or finland is not getting any nokia phones anymore22:12
ajalkaneFinland is such a small market anyway that it's impossible to draw any conclusions on N9 productions from this country22:13
ajalkaneBut my gut-feeling is that wherever Lumia can be made available, N9 will be made unavailable.22:13
ladogaCorsac: and people are not interested in buy lumias...especially ones that know there is/was better nokia phone22:13
paespecially those that know that current lumias wont be upgraded :)22:13
ladogaCorsac: so why discontinue your best phone and try desperately to sell something inferior22:14
paladoga, : ))))22:14
pamany wonder with you : p22:15
ladogaCorsac: right, nokia is not interested in selling any N9s22:16
ajalkaneWonders of the world... what would life be without such delicious puzzles like this?22:16
ladogaCorsac: seem like they tried hard to sell as few as they possibly could22:16
padoes it?22:18
ladogawell..yeah i guess the subject is beaten to death22:21
pabut i was wondering.. what if for some/any reason elop would not be ceo of nokia anymore22:23
ladogado you think that swipe thing is patentable? it's quite natural way of using a smartphone22:23
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pait seems it has been patented already22:23
ladogaso i hope future smartphones will make use of it22:23
paand it doesnt look like nokia is gonna give it away22:23
ajalkanepa: Board of directors are above Elop. Elop is just a tool.22:24
ladogait's like patenting mouse clicks :(22:24
paajalkane, u think the board decided to kill maemo? but why? as ladoga also noticed, it would be a profitable division, and with some little marketing, it could have sold really a lot, well repaying the cost to pay the employees22:25
pai also noticed lately people buying n9.. people i would have never imagined22:26
Venemopa, the problem wasn't that.22:26
ajalkanepa: because they saw the progress as too little too late. And they thought it's a convergence of "ecosystems" and maemo can't bring that with Nokia's financing22:26
pai see22:26
Venemothe harmattan team was extremely mismanaged in my opinion.22:26
ladogai think n9s fate was sealed even before it was released22:27
Venemoperhaps the word "deadline" or "deliver" wasn't in the managers' vocabulary.22:27
ajalkaneI don't agree with that reasoning, I'm just guessing here. I only think the BoD/CEO were stupid.22:27
Venemoneither was "release"22:27
ladogathey had already decided to kill it no matter how it would be received22:27
paajalkane, so u think M$ has nothing to do with that?22:28
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ladoganokia had made deal with intel which included releasing one MeeGo they did, but tried to limit markets so it wouldn't hurt future WP sales22:29
Venemoharmattan development was started in 2008 and they didn't deliver anything until late 2011.22:29
Venemoif I were a directory and there was a team like that in my company, I would have fired them as well.22:29
ajalkanepa: Of course it was enormous possibility for MS, but unless Nokia was determined they can't make it on their own, MS would not have had a chance to take advantage of the situations. Like they did.22:29
ladoga2008? N900 was released in 2010 and that was before harmattan, no?22:30
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Venemoladoga: that's what I heard from some people, yes.22:30
Venemoladoga: and no, N900 was released in 200922:30
ladogai november22:31
ladogai remember Nokia was hiring lots of linux people in 2009-201022:31
ajalkaneConsidering all the rewrites of Harmattan, I wouldn't hold those timeframes too damning.22:32
ladogaand in 2011 they suddenly changed direction with hiring of Elop22:32
Venemothey started with gtk, then switched to qwidgets, then made dui (meegotouch), then qml.22:32
pait was a new project22:33
Venemothey were just doing r&d without releasing anything.22:33
paits to take into account22:33
paQt was still trolltech22:33
ajalkaneThat's management decision22:33
paand i dont think it would be too late now22:33
Venemoajalkane: that is why I said IMO they were terribly mismanaged22:34
ajalkaneBut it's true, Nokia probably thought during 2008-2010 they have all the time in the world22:34
paespecially because android showed that, even with a large market share, it still sucks22:34
ladogahalf year ago it certainly wasn't22:34
ladoganow it is...with all the linux/qt people laid off22:35
ajalkaneAndroid is the only cool thing around, until Jolla and BB10 show something else.22:35
ladogaand company athmosphere poisoned22:35
Venemoandroid is not cool at all22:35
ajalkaneI'd rather use Android than iOS or WP. Maybe I'm just a bigot, but that's how crazy I am.22:35
ladogai'd rather use dumbphone than any of them:)22:36
Venemoin fact, if that were the only choice, I would go for WP.22:36
ladogathats in fact what i did until i bought n922:36
VenemoI hate android with passion.22:36
Venemoand ios is out of the question22:37
paVenemo, if digia ports qt for WP, maybe :)22:37
ladogaVenemo: have you used WP7.5?22:37
paotherwise, let see what jolla  makes.. hopes arent hight, but more than 022:37
ajalkaneThat's easy to say now. But I remember when Android came to the scene some years ago, I was rooting for them. Because it was the only open platform back then. And I wished it became success.22:37
Venemoladoga: yeah, I have. I didn't like it that much, but the UI was a lot better than andorid22:37
Venemolet's admit, it's not that hard to make a better UI than android22:38
ajalkaneI sold my Nokia 800. That's how much I liked it.22:38
ladogaVenemo: it's quite multitasking for 3rd party apps. only way to close app is by pressing back arrow repeatedly + many many other annoyances22:38
ajalkaneMy wife has Android. I'm always confused trying to use it. But nevertheless, I'm an adaptable old man. I'd rather adapt to relatively open Android, than not adapt to all closed iOS/WP.22:39
ladogayou cant copy unrecognized files to the phone22:39
pawell, for us it's easy to say, we simply have the best UI :)22:39
Venemoladoga: same is true with android22:39
ladogaVenemo: what i like in lumias is that it's very in quick22:39
Venemoladoga: yeah.22:39
ladogaVenemo: initial impression is maybe better than with Harmattan22:40
Venemoladoga: anyway, I'm a happy user of my N9(50) until they fall apart22:40
pai tried a lumia 800 in the shop, but it didnt seem so snappy22:40
ladogabut then those limitations in UI and the OS start to annoy you22:40
ajalkaneI like smoothness as much as the next person. But I like my shell and SSH more.22:40
paajalkane, N9 is quite smooth after all22:40
ladogaajalkane: exavly..+ UI is still more usable even if less smooth22:40
padespite all the qml :)22:40
Venemoqml is smooth22:41
ladogaharmattan with more porcessing power would be perfect:)22:41
ladogai mean...faster hardware22:41
ajalkanepa: yeah it is. Except after PR1.3 and not having installed FasterN9 yet, I'm having a laggy phone. Might be the update, might be something else. But nevertheless I agree.22:41
ladogaor if nokia continued development and made it more efficient22:41
paajalkane, after 1.3 i just noticed more battery drain in idle, but smoothness look the same22:42
ajalkaneEven if N9 was to be 3 times slower, I'd still rather use it than any current Lumia.22:42
ladogapa: it's smoother than most android phones i give you that22:43
paso maybe your is just a different side effect of the update22:43
ladogapa: only speaking relatively here22:43
ajalkanepa: might be the FasterN9 then. I had used on PR1.2 FasterN9 for some months, but haven't installed it to phone after PR1.3 update22:43
ajalkaneWell yes, might be update side effect too22:43
paladoga, well yea, i compared it to  N9 and SGS2 only. it was smoother than sgs2 but about the same as n922:44
Venemowat is FasterN9?22:44
ajalkaneBut I have another N9 with PR1.2 and it is smoother than my "main phone" which has PR1.322:44
paajalkane, me neither22:44
ajalkaneExcept, of course, do not install version 0.9.4 from that link22:46
ajalkaneThere's 0.9.722:46
Venemoajalkane: where do I install that from?22:46
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ajalkaneVenemo: I think this is the most current version
Venemodoes it have any real effect?22:48
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pai read about side effects, rather, thats why i have never dared22:48
Venemofor example?22:48
ladogait changes some process priorities, right?22:49
palike troubles after using it22:49
pabut i dont knowexactly, ajalkane probably knows better22:49
paand afaik, it is not really maintained22:49
pa(if that's what i am thinking it is, meaning the big shell script)22:49
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Venemoajalkane: is it?22:50
paah no, that was something else22:50
pai think22:50
paim mixing them up22:50
Venemook, lemme see22:51
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ladogathis seems bit funny...22:51
ladoga"* Changed IO scheduler to noop. Should improve (a lot) performance, not sure about stability."22:51
befordwho cares about stability22:52
ladoga"* Changed de IO scheduler to deadline again. Should improve (a lot) performance, not sure about stability."22:52
ladogaso they change IO scheduler back and forth and both times its supposed to increase performance?22:52
pathen you can do that for a while, and it will be the faster phone ever ;)22:56
ladogacfq is the default actually22:58
ladoga # cat /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/scheduler22:59
ladoganoop anticipatory deadline [cfq22:59
ajalkaneI haven't tried version 0.9.7. The version I tried was 0.9.3. And as can be deduced from the version numbers it's work in progress.22:59
ajalkaneBut I can say this: with version 0.9.3, I had a _definite_ improvement in reducing lag23:00
Sazpaimonhow would I go about deleting a large group of messages from my N923:00
ladogai'll change that for deadline (recommended for solid state disks) and see if i notice any difference23:00
Sazpaimontheyre old corrupted messages from my E71, and I have a better backup that I can restore23:00
ajalkaneThe main issue with lag I had was swiping the application away, and swiping to other screens after that. It was much smoother.23:00
Sazpaimoni tried deleting it with the nokia suite, but it won't do it23:00
pause the suite to backup23:00
padelete everything23:00
padelete messages on the pc23:01
Sazpaimonnokia suite won't even let me backup23:01
Sazpaimonkeeps telling me that it's busy23:01
paSazpaimon, besides, i really advice u to use smssync.. its so great23:01
pai couldnt live without23:02
Sazpaimonwell that isnt going to help me now is it23:02
pawell it could23:02
ladogachanging the scheduler at runtime is easy, just echo whatever > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/scheduler23:03
Sazpaimonif I could understand the tracker meta.db file I could just delete it from there23:03
paif u sync to , say , gmail, then u can delete from gmail23:03
Sazpaimonbut it's so convoluted compared to el-v1.db23:03
paSazpaimon, probably there are qt apis to sms23:03
paif u really want to go that way23:03
SazpaimonI havent heard of anything that does that23:04
ladogaany ideas how to make that permanent? as it will change back to defaul cfq scheduler at boot23:05
payou meanyou cant access your sms with qtmobility contacts?23:06
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Sazpaimonreally weird, nokia suite isn't showing any messages after july 1st23:26
Sazpaimonnokia suite is so damn broken23:27
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befordhiemanshu: sublime looks nice23:37
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