| rzr | thp, NaN ! | 00:00 |
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| ieatlint | thp: that also does sound like some sort anorexic phone thing | 00:00 |
| thp | rzr: regexwars? | 00:00 |
| ieatlint | "the first thing i do when i get a phone is remove all the extra screws they put in it to make it lighter" | 00:00 |
| jonni | better to have T5+T6 as some of the screws are T6 :) | 00:01 |
| rzr | thp, yes | 00:02 |
| rzr | thp, i thought once about a regex game , but i would make it less arcade and more educative.... | 00:02 |
| ieatlint | jonni: i have a full torx set here.. my t6 did not fit | 00:02 |
| thp | rzr: yeah, because i divide the score by the string length, to make shorter strings more worth | 00:04 |
| thp | rzr: the idea came when merlin1991 said that he learned regular expressions from a book, because there's no other way to learn them | 00:05 |
| thp | jonni: isn't it T5 + T4? | 00:05 |
| jonni | heh, dont really remember, I have full set for drivers | 00:06 |
| thp | rzr: more like a regex quiz then? | 00:06 |
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| rzr | thp, yes there is a db of usefull ones , but it would be cool to upload them and compare them etc | 00:09 |
| rzr | thp, something connected to http://regexlib.com/Search.aspx?k=url&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 | 00:09 |
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| pa | thats cool | 00:30 |
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| pa | rzr thats the db u mentioned? | 00:31 |
| rzr | yes | 00:32 |
| rzr | some pple will submit regex other will submit input strings ... | 00:32 |
| rzr | thp, this is the ultimate fight for truth :) | 00:33 |
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| rashm2k | how to do the searchbar like the one in messages/dialled numbres????? | 00:44 |
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| beford | rashm2k: look for wazapp code, it implements quicksearch bar | 01:10 |
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| heymaster-laptop | http://cl.ly/image/292R341D2S1i << how to make this screen pretty ? Any suggestions ? :) | 01:26 |
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| Oni^ | grup | 01:35 |
| Oni^ | group thing all loads in sa slot and so on | 01:35 |
| heymaster-laptop | Oni^: "sa slot" what is this ? | 01:36 |
| Oni^ | put space bitween or some thing | 01:36 |
| heymaster-laptop | ok | 01:36 |
| heymaster-laptop | thanks | 01:37 |
| Oni^ | or <hr /> or similar | 01:37 |
| heymaster-laptop | Oni^: how to insert <hr> in QML ? | 01:38 |
| Oni^ | donät know is QML any thing lin XML | 01:38 |
| Oni^ | lin=like | 01:39 |
| Oni^ | Ä=' | 01:39 |
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| heymaster-laptop | ::) | 01:39 |
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| pa | heymaster, by using inverted theme? :) | 01:49 |
| pa | and some cool font? | 01:49 |
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| heymaster-laptop | pa: inverted so it's black ? | 02:12 |
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| heymaster-laptop | how to invert theme on N9 ? | 02:16 |
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| Venemo | heymaster-laptop, it's done in a per-app basis. | 02:20 |
| heymaster-laptop | Venemo: how to do it using QML for my app ? | 02:20 |
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| Venemo | heymaster-laptop, theme.inverted = true | 02:24 |
| Venemo | heymaster-laptop, see http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-theme.html | 02:24 |
| heymaster-laptop | Venemo: thanks worked. just qtcreator not suggested completion for theme | 02:26 |
| Venemo | heymaster-laptop, qt creator is not perfect. :) | 02:27 |
| heymaster-laptop | Venemo: maybe you can suggest any font to to use ? | 02:27 |
| Venemo | heymaster-laptop, just use the default | 02:28 |
| heymaster-laptop | ok :) | 02:28 |
| Venemo | heymaster-laptop, it's called Nokia Pure, and it's quite nice in my opinion | 02:28 |
| heymaster-laptop | :) | 02:28 |
| heymaster-laptop | i know. but i'm using qt simulator so can't see very well :) | 02:29 |
| Venemo | why don't you run the app on device? | 02:30 |
| heymaster-laptop | i don't own it :) | 02:30 |
| Venemo | oh. | 02:30 |
| heymaster-laptop | trying to win in contest | 02:30 |
| Venemo | nice :) | 02:30 |
| Venemo | if you need any help, just ask on this channel. there are many helpful people here | 02:30 |
| heymaster-laptop | yes, i see :) | 02:31 |
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| Venemo | if you want, I could test your app on the device too | 02:31 |
| heymaster-laptop | ok. later, because i haven't done basic functionality of my app. but i will fast end up with basic functionality | 02:32 |
| Venemo | :) | 02:33 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | heymaster-laptop Venemo: be careful, nokia pure isn't always the default | 03:20 |
| heymaster-laptop | :) | 03:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you have text that is in a similar but different font you probably need to add logic to fix that | 03:20 |
| heymaster-laptop | i won't change font | 03:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it looks like your screenshot is using the old nokia font (nokia sans) | 03:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unless there's good design reasons everything on harmattan needs to be nokia pure or it doesn't really look right | 03:23 |
| heymaster-laptop | i'm using default font so thinking font won't be problem :) | 03:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but what i'm saying is that the default font isn't always the harmattan font | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | specifically i think labels don't follow the theme font, and they draw using a really ugly default font | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | seeing labels with said font is usually a sure sign of a poorly written app | 03:25 |
| heymaster-laptop | so what to do ? i'm using qml :) | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure because i know close to nothing about qml :p | 03:26 |
| heymaster-laptop | so it's ok :) | 03:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, no it's not ok, i just can't help you make it ok :p | 03:26 |
| heymaster-laptop | I writing app for contest, so i don't care abou result .. literally :) | 03:28 |
| heymaster-laptop | even don't own real device so can't test :) | 03:29 |
| heymaster-laptop | so don't care about fonts problem | 03:29 |
| heymaster-laptop | i care more about program logic, crashes, ect .. | 03:32 |
| heymaster-laptop | but thanks | 03:32 |
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| Sput | there we go. Qt goes to Digia | 09:34 |
| Sput | http://www.digia.com/en/Home/Company/Press/2012/Digia-to-acquire-Qt-from-Nokia/ | 09:34 |
| ieatlint | that is unfortunate | 09:38 |
| ieatlint | but expected | 09:39 |
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| pa | what is digia, first of all? | 09:44 |
| pa | and second: does it mean it wont be free anymore? | 09:45 |
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| pa | well if nothing else they port it to android and ios | 09:46 |
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| rzr | "Following the acquisition, Digia plans to quickly enable Qt on Android, iOS and Windows 8 platforms." | 09:51 |
| dm8tbr | pa: qt has a dead mans switch, you can't closed-source it | 09:54 |
| ieatlint | pa: that's a marketing message, don't make bets on it | 09:58 |
| ieatlint | but yes, anyone can fork qt under the lgpl (but subsequent work must remain under the lgpl when distributed) | 09:59 |
| Aard | pa: if digia decides not to do gpl anymore the kde foundation would be free to even license it as bsd(!), which would be bad for digia, as everyone could do commercial forks from there, so they won't do it | 10:00 |
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| ieatlint | the problem now is the same one as before.. the CLA/commercial licence agreement | 10:00 |
| ieatlint | nokia no longer employees people to work on qt, and digia's competitors are less inclined to write code that digia then sells to companies closed source | 10:01 |
| ieatlint | so that leaves open source people who feel rather generous, and digia themselves | 10:01 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ieatlint: dispite that Qt was pretty good with Nokia, i'll be enuf excited to have it like that in future. | 10:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | ieatlint: what i affraid if they took Qt and change it all the way around instead of just improving =) | 10:16 |
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| ieatlint | i fear that it will limit growth further | 10:22 |
| ieatlint | and would've liked to have seen it be put into a commercially neutral trust/foundation | 10:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | i fear it becomes webbased something like it's trend today =( | 10:23 |
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| khertan | ZogG_laptop: they need to create their qml browser before :) | 10:41 |
| khertan | maybe we will get improvment on desktop ... | 10:42 |
| khertan | qt was improved mainly for mobile this months ... | 10:42 |
| khertan | qml isn't qt | 10:42 |
| khertan | but when i see they want to target desktop, embedded, iOS, Android, Win8 | 10:43 |
| khertan | it s smell a cross plateform epic failed | 10:43 |
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| ZogG_laptop | khertan: it already works on ios and android | 10:48 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop: qtcore | 10:55 |
| khertan | not the ui | 10:55 |
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| khertan | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-textarea.html#textFormat-prop <<< someone have already tryed to use TextEdit.StyledText | 10:56 |
| khertan | look like it didn't exist on qt components of n950 beta pr1.2 | 10:56 |
| khertan | 69: Unable to assign [undefined] to int textFormat | 10:56 |
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| dick-van-dyke | hey, guys, anybody knows a good dictionary app for harmattan except from Merriam Webster? Can be online. Thx | 11:53 |
| djszapi | dick-van-dyke: I am writing one :) | 11:55 |
| ieatlint | ok, fuck you oauth | 11:57 |
| dick-van-dyke | djszapi: that's awesome! where's the content from? | 11:58 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: come on :) | 11:59 |
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| ieatlint | no, my application is now creating a QUrl with the full oauth authentication hashes | 12:01 |
| ieatlint | if i run QUrl::toString() and copy and paste the string into a browser, it works | 12:01 |
| ieatlint | but if i take the same url and run QNetworkRequest::setUrl( url ) and then QNetworkAccessManager::get();, it fails | 12:02 |
| ieatlint | blah, i just figured out why.. i was pre-percent sign encoding parameters, and then used QUrl::addQueryItem() instead of QUrl::addEncodedQueryItem(), and the toString() method removes the percent encoding which the browser re-adds | 12:04 |
| ieatlint | this probably means i should go to bed | 12:04 |
| djszapi | dick-van-dyke: are you looking for a dictionary, translator, or both? | 12:13 |
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| pa | cool.. apparently some romanian guy spotted my still hidden app webpage.. | 12:25 |
| rzr | this guy is a googler | 12:27 |
| pa | smart guy | 12:27 |
| rzr | missread | 12:27 |
| pa | well it's anyway a blogger page | 12:27 |
| pa | so i guess it's spottable | 12:27 |
| rzr | i though u were talking about romain guy | 12:27 |
| pa | romain whom? | 12:28 |
| rzr | guy is a french 1st name | 12:28 |
| djszapi | http://www.digia.com/en/Home/Company/News/Digia-to-acquire-Qt-from-Nokia/ | 12:28 |
| pa | ah :) yes, i actually recall someone called guy forget :) | 12:28 |
| Lava_Croft | yes | 12:28 |
| djszapi | unsure if it had already been posted here. | 12:28 |
| djszapi | sorry for the duplication, if any. | 12:28 |
| dm8tbr | hours ago | 12:28 |
| pa | rzr, your googler takes cool pictures | 12:31 |
| pa | a bit too many landscapes, tho | 12:31 |
| rzr | he is an android guru | 12:32 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: oh yo usaid it is unfortunate. | 12:32 |
| pa | but we dont like android, do we? | 12:32 |
| djszapi | I think it is good to have developers still working on it, but CLA should go. | 12:32 |
| djszapi | away, of course. | 12:32 |
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| djszapi | "Following the acquisition, Digia plans to quickly enable Qt on Android, iOS and Windows 8 platforms." -> I fully agree with ieatlint. It is a marketing pitch. | 12:34 |
| pa | so essentially qt will be soon as it was before, right? non free for non opensource commercial stuff? | 12:35 |
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| djszapi | pa: that is the problem, yes. :) | 12:35 |
| djszapi | CLA will not go away | 12:35 |
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| djszapi | which was a fairly essential point for the Qt Foundation we discussed at QtCS | 12:35 |
| vladest | Following the acquisition, Digia plans to quickly enable Qt on Android, iOS and Windows 8 platforms. | 12:35 |
| vladest | hurray! | 12:36 |
| pa | M$ is not qt friend, hah? no winphones | 12:36 |
| djszapi | Note, "plans" | 12:36 |
| dm8tbr | vladest: I increased my popcorn preorders due to that bit... | 12:36 |
| vladest | pa you right. no winphones. at all :) | 12:36 |
| djszapi | also, it was a fairly essential point for the Qt Foundation, it should *not* be driven by a company | 12:37 |
| djszapi | it is nice to have company paying developers, but this is not how the Qt Foundation was thought. | 12:37 |
| pa | djszapi, well it was originate from a company | 12:37 |
| pa | d | 12:37 |
| vladest | djszapi: why do you think an company cant contribute to Qt? | 12:37 |
| djszapi | pa: you are not following | 12:37 |
| djszapi | vladest: who said that?? | 12:37 |
| vladest | the only question, how digia planning to earn money from Qt? | 12:38 |
| pa | and besides, if they have reasonable licensing prices, i dont see that as a big problem | 12:38 |
| djszapi | yeah, you do not see problem with not having a Qt Foundation. | 12:38 |
| djszapi | but a leading company. | 12:38 |
| djszapi | many see, including me. | 12:38 |
| pa | if in exchange you get good support and tool development | 12:38 |
| vladest | djszapi: who said thad digia planning to control QtF? | 12:39 |
| pa | djszapi, qt was nice also when it was trolltech | 12:39 |
| pa | and back then it was not even lgpl | 12:39 |
| djszapi | vladest: have you ever heard about CLA? | 12:39 |
| pa | or.. was it? | 12:39 |
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| vladest | djszapi: nope :( | 12:39 |
| djszapi | pa: useless points | 12:39 |
| djszapi | we are not discussing the past | 12:39 |
| djszapi | we are about to build a nice future | 12:39 |
| vladest | djszapi: so, what your concerns? | 12:40 |
| pa | well then create a foundation and fork.. :)= | 12:40 |
| pa | well then create a foundation and fork.. :) | 12:40 |
| pa | ops | 12:40 |
| pa | it | 12:40 |
| pa | it's not skype | 12:40 |
| vladest | rrright | 12:40 |
| djszapi | yes, it really whispers the fork | 12:40 |
| djszapi | which is obviously not good | 12:40 |
| djszapi | vladest: my concern is CLA | 12:40 |
| djszapi | read about it. | 12:40 |
| vladest | k | 12:40 |
| djszapi | the Qt Project loses many contributors because of that. | 12:41 |
| djszapi | for valid reasons. | 12:41 |
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| vladest | Conjugated linoleic acids (CLA) are a family of at least 28[1] isomers of linoleic acid found mainly in the meat and dairy products derived from cud chewing mammals called ruminants. As the name implies, the double bonds of CLAs are conjugated, with only one single bond between them. | 12:42 |
| vladest | :) | 12:42 |
| pa | the problem is: who's gonna finance the foundation? | 12:42 |
| djszapi | no, that is not the problem | 12:42 |
| djszapi | Digia could still provide the funding for the development, they need. | 12:42 |
| pa | oh yes thats a big problem. foundations without money die soon or make crap | 12:42 |
| djszapi | so could any other company. | 12:42 |
| vladest | djszapi: CLA means licensing agency? | 12:43 |
| djszapi | just read the CLA, really. | 12:43 |
| vladest | ah ok | 12:44 |
| djszapi | it is a kinda harakiri for the Qt Foundation idea people came up with at the QtCS. :( | 12:44 |
| vladest | its Contribution License Agreement | 12:44 |
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| dick-van-dyke | djszapi: dictionary only. translateall for google translate is quite good for my use | 12:45 |
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| pa | ok, and what is the problem of the CLA? that the contribution you give will be not yours anymore or..? | 12:48 |
| pa | that they can decide whether to take it or not? | 12:48 |
| djszapi | pa: if you read that, you do not have such questions. | 12:48 |
| pa | i just did | 12:48 |
| djszapi | please read from the beginning to the end until you understand what is written. | 12:48 |
| djszapi | or let me know which sentence is unclear. | 12:49 |
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| pa | is this what you are talking about? http://qt.nokia.com/merge_requests/agreement/ | 12:50 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | To upgrade N950 to PR 1.3 | 14:04 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I have enabled N9 repo | 14:04 |
| MFaro-Tusino | is it apt-get update | 14:04 |
| MFaro-Tusino | apt-get diet-upgrade ? | 14:04 |
| MFaro-Tusino | *dist-upgrade | 14:04 |
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| mgedmin | I would not risk an apt-get dist-upgrade on my N9, personally | 14:05 |
| mgedmin | err, N950 | 14:05 |
| mgedmin | either, actually | 14:05 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Reasons? | 14:05 |
| mgedmin | reasons? if something goes wrong, I wouldn't know how to fix it (you can't flash an older firmware; it's forward-upgrade-only for some reason) | 14:06 |
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| mgedmin | although I don't know if a dist-upgrade would trigger that flash restriction | 14:06 |
| mgedmin | maybe | 14:06 |
| mgedmin | maybe not | 14:06 |
| mgedmin | I'd rather not risk a brick | 14:06 |
| MFaro-Tusino | but with dist upgrade, you wouldn't alter fw version, just upgrade all packages | 14:07 |
| mgedmin | I think the kernel package writes someting to the flash on the next boot after an install | 14:07 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Ahkay | 14:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Will wait for more info :) | 14:08 |
| mgedmin | yeah, success (or failure) reports from brave people would be best | 14:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I am tempted | 14:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Hahaha | 14:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | My N950 is obsolete if it can't have 1.3 | 14:09 |
| MFaro-Tusino | defeats purpose of testing dev work if fw differs | 14:09 |
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| mgedmin | something tells me Nokia's upper managment might not care very much about people developing apps for the N9 | 14:11 |
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| pa | really? :) | 14:16 |
| MFaro-Tusino | If it isn't wp, it doesn't exist to them | 14:17 |
| pa | MFaro-Tusino, its not! | 14:17 |
| pa | u can put nemo on it :) | 14:17 |
| pa | or nitdroid maybe :p | 14:17 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yeah, nitdroid maybe | 14:18 |
| MFaro-Tusino | if my 800 was unlocked i'd do it | 14:18 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | So I took the plunge | 14:47 |
| MFaro-Tusino | My N950 now runs PR 1.3 | 14:47 |
| rzr | how comes ? | 14:52 |
| Hurrian | rzr, I think it involves using thr N9 001 repos and upgrading specific packages | 14:53 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Added the N9 repo using N9QT | 14:54 |
| rzr | can it be reverted ? | 14:54 |
| MFaro-Tusino | and after an apt-get update ran apt-get dist-upgrade | 14:54 |
| MFaro-Tusino | the a apt-get upgrade | 14:54 |
| MFaro-Tusino | fixed issues | 14:54 |
| MFaro-Tusino | now on 1.3 | 14:54 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I am about to check | 14:54 |
| MFaro-Tusino | give me 5 mins | 14:54 |
| khertan | hum ... and harmarttan-pr package is removed right ? | 14:54 |
| MFaro-Tusino | How can i found out | 14:55 |
| HtheB | be carefull | 14:55 |
| HtheB | it will remove all packages... | 14:55 |
| HtheB | if you dont set it to manual installation | 14:56 |
| rzr | please report your experience at : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1233043#post1233043 | 14:56 |
| MFaro-Tusino | btw, it says 1.3 in about, although fw says 3.2012.02-6 which was 1.2 beta right? | 14:56 |
| HtheB | thats ok | 14:57 |
| MFaro-Tusino | That means ref lash is possible | 14:59 |
| Hurrian | MFaro-Tusino, yeah, I don't think it's supposed to change the protected signature | 15:00 |
| MFaro-Tusino | reboot gives me the disclaimer | 15:01 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Okay, reboot was fine | 15:02 |
| MFaro-Tusino | No reboot loop/bricking | 15:02 |
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| pa | yay, QA passed | 15:15 |
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| pa | i wonder what "WiFi Hacker" app really is... | 15:19 |
| pa | looks like a joke | 15:20 |
| Hurrian | pa, for obvious reasons I don't think an app like Cleven for Fremantle's going to pass QA | 15:23 |
| MFaro-Tusino | wifi hacker is a joke | 15:23 |
| MFaro-Tusino | pretty funny though | 15:23 |
| MFaro-Tusino | my idiot friends with iPhones think it works | 15:23 |
| MFaro-Tusino | all because n9 runs :linux" | 15:23 |
| pa | :D | 15:24 |
| jonni | reaver for n900 works atleast just fine, tested it against my home wlan ip, and it gave working wps authentication pin just fine. And next thing I disabled pin authentication option from the AP. :) | 15:27 |
| jonni | s/ip/mac/ | 15:27 |
| infobot | jonni meant: reaver for n900 works atleast just fine, tested it against my home wlan mac, and it gave working wps authentication pin just fine. And next thing I disabled pin authentication option from the AP. :) | 15:27 |
| Hurrian | jonni, I stripped out WPS from my router firmware ;) | 15:28 |
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| Lava_Croft | Just a question inbetween the important talk: Is it considered safe to disable DevMode with inception installed | 15:39 |
| Lava_Croft | or is it recommended to leave devmode enabled | 15:39 |
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| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck: you might know this! :) | 15:39 |
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| jonni | Lava_Croft: it shouldnt make any difference on either way. | 15:56 |
| vladest | MFaro-Tusino: can you plz create a description with steps how to upgrade n950 to 1.3? | 16:00 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | I posted to tmo | 16:00 |
| MFaro-Tusino | very simple steps | 16:00 |
| vladest | tmo? | 16:00 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I am just running a few more tetst though | 16:00 |
| vladest | ah ok | 16:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~ping | 16:02 |
| infobot | ~pong | 16:02 |
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| vladest | MFaro-Tusino: "Added the N9 repo from N9QT" how to do this? what is the N9QT? | 16:05 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Okay, dont flash | 16:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I mean upgrade | 16:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | fails to flash cmt-mcusw | 16:09 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80600&highlight=quick+tweak | 16:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | vladest: i think it's or N9quickTweak or n9 dev repo =) | 16:48 |
| vladest | ZogG_laptop: 10x | 16:50 |
| vladest | MFaro-Tusino: so still waiting? | 16:51 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | still waiting for? | 16:52 |
| MFaro-Tusino | It seems others have it | 16:53 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I don't use gsm on my device | 16:53 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | so for me, no issues | 16:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | what are you trying to do? | 16:54 |
| MFaro-Tusino | i updated n950 to pr 1.3 | 16:55 |
| MFaro-Tusino | then ref lashed 1.2 | 16:55 |
| MFaro-Tusino | if you don't ref lash, no issues | 16:56 |
| pa | question: do M$/Nokia offer developer devices? | 16:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | MFaro-Tusino: successful update? | 16:57 |
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| trx | pa they did in jan/feb this year, they gave away lumia's 800 | 16:59 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | yeah, all went well | 16:59 |
| MFaro-Tusino | only issue was ref lashing like i said | 16:59 |
| pa | trx, now it's late i guess, right? | 17:00 |
| MFaro-Tusino | causes gsm issues\ | 17:00 |
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| trx | pa i have no idea, they gave it to everyone that received other devices before that | 17:00 |
| trx | they didnt even ask | 17:00 |
| trx | they just sent them :) | 17:01 |
| pa | i see :) | 17:01 |
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| pa | but so.. how can one start getting dev devices? :) | 17:01 |
| Hurrian | pa, get lucky on Nokia Developer? | 17:01 |
| pa | hm.. meaning? | 17:01 |
| trx | google nokia developer and check out current dev programs | 17:01 |
| pa | is there a button "im feeling lucky"? | 17:01 |
| pa | ok thanks :) | 17:02 |
| trx | but devices are useless | 17:02 |
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| trx | they are locked | 17:02 |
| trx | and you are forced to use their .NET | 17:02 |
| pa | and unlockable? | 17:02 |
| trx | no idea, as soon as i saw that i gave it to my sister | 17:03 |
| trx | i would rather die than use .NET | 17:03 |
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| vladest | MFaro-Tusino: got it. you have issues after reflash back to 1.2? | 17:07 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | yeah, if no flash back, no issues | 17:08 |
| vladest | MFaro-Tusino: what about: This script work properly only on PR 1.3 and base/blanco theme !!! ? | 17:09 |
| MFaro-Tusino | it works on 1.2 if you only add repo | 17:10 |
| MFaro-Tusino | you get issues when you mess with packages in system | 17:11 |
| vladest | ok. | 17:11 |
| vladest | any1 have a direct link to the .deb for the tweak? | 17:12 |
| vladest | forget | 17:12 |
| vladest | just found :) | 17:13 |
| * vladest a little bit lost in orange/blue colored site :) | 17:13 | |
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| khertan | ZogG_laptop: you know putting comments on an app in the testing catalog of Apps4Meego isn't enought, you should submit QA Review else apps will never appear in stable catalog | 18:05 |
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| macmaN | mhm, no ma ka, väga hästi kõik tomib | 18:11 |
| macmaN | bleh | 18:11 |
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| pa | question: an almost completely qtquick + qtmobility app... how easy is to port that from harmattan to symbian? | 18:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Lava_Croft: disabling dev mode doesn't really disable dev mode | 18:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also you can't get inception installed with dev mode off, but you can use it | 18:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you need the terminal though | 18:23 |
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| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, couldn't you use, for example, fingerterm without dev mode | 18:38 |
| Sazpaimon | also iirc if you install any app that has terminal as a dependency it will install it | 18:39 |
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| clau | is there any reason why I wouldn't get OTA upgrade to pr1.3 until now?! | 18:46 |
| Hurrian | clau, Nokia screwing up rollouts to variants? | 18:46 |
| Hurrian | Just flash to 001 already | 18:46 |
| macmaN | i waited forever for 005 | 18:47 |
| clau | nokia software updater doesn't work either, but it may be something with my computer | 18:47 |
| macmaN | didnt feel like doing the backup/restore cycle | 18:47 |
| clau | I don't feel like doing it either | 18:47 |
| Hurrian | macmaN, my N9 came with 005 PR1.1, update did not come up at all | 18:47 |
| macmaN | heh, really | 18:47 |
| macmaN | mkay | 18:47 |
| amppa | pa: quite easy. most work is caused by different resolution and a bit different qml component apis | 18:48 |
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| amppa | also, be prepared to some kern-exec crashes if your application uses network, since qnam in symbian is still rather buggy | 18:49 |
| pa | ah i see | 18:49 |
| pa | thanks! | 18:50 |
| pa | resolution i didnt realize, yes | 18:50 |
| pa | and i also dont have a symbian device to test it on | 18:50 |
| amppa | that will be a problem, since you will encounter real issues with devices | 18:50 |
| amppa | on harmattan simulator and device are much closer to each other | 18:50 |
| amppa | i have an application that supports symbian and harmattan on a single codebase. have been meaning to open source it or at least the basic framework, but i've been lazy | 18:52 |
| amppa | it may be easier to keep two different sources if you don't plan regular updates | 18:53 |
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| pa | amppa, thanks for the tips | 19:26 |
| pa | then maybe i'll try to see if i can get a symbian anna or belle device somehow | 19:26 |
| pa | by the way i was wondering something... on most harmattan apps that do inet communication, if inet is downyou will be prompted "turn inet on", and when inet is on but not connected, the apps wait that the connection is brought up and then start transfer | 19:28 |
| pa | i assume this behavior is achieved by using some QNetworkSomething facility | 19:28 |
| pa | but how to get the same behavior if we do communication via standard sockets and stuff, or some other libraries? | 19:28 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck: thanks! | 19:42 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck: i just want sshd to stop running at every boot | 19:42 |
| Lava_Croft | basically | 19:42 |
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| pa | poor sshd :) | 20:10 |
| pa | it doesnt hurt anybody | 20:11 |
| * ladoga loves sshd | 20:16 | |
| pa | !scratchbox | 20:18 |
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| rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/privacy# just rebuilt #ToR for #MeeGo #HarmattaN , now @FarhadArghavan can test and report to #n950club or #n9lovers | 20:22 |
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| mike7b4athome | Hi, hmm saw that my N9 draining battery today so I checked with top and it seems aplifed jumps from 43% CPU but most the time around 98% of CPU, now thats wierd? what is applifed? | 20:37 |
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| beta4 | which process was the most cpu-hungry? | 20:40 |
| pa | i also asked that to myself | 20:44 |
| beta4 | to me something similar happened with the email client after an upgrade | 20:44 |
| mike7b4athome | beta4, applifed was most cpu hungry process | 20:45 |
| beta4 | yikes, the name doesn't ring a bell, don't know what it does | 20:45 |
| mike7b4athome | 1306 user /usr/bin/applifed.x | 20:48 |
| mike7b4athome | 21822 user invoker --type=qt -o /usr/bin/applifed.x | 20:48 |
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| jonni | mike7b4athome: Application life-cycle daemon that manages prestarted applications. | 20:51 |
| jonni | mike7b4athome: so most likely not applified's fault, but some prestarted app behaving baddly | 20:51 |
| jonni | mike7b4athome: ofcourse you can just restart it and see if problem goes away: "stop xsession/applifed; start xsession/applifed;" | 20:52 |
| mike7b4athome | jonni, ahh ok I just sent -TERM before and it restarted itself and now it doesnt drain CPU.. | 20:54 |
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| Lava_Croft | I love my sshd too, but only when I need it! | 21:01 |
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| pa | jonni, is there the chance there's some symbian device in ur basket? :) | 21:31 |
| pa | rzr and i are looking for one :) | 21:32 |
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| jonni | heh, got plenty of symbian devices over the years :) | 21:48 |
| ieatlint | fuck yeah, symbian, a truly beautiful piece of engineering | 21:53 |
| ieatlint | nokia's answer to windows me, but with none of that wussy backing down bs microsoft pulled | 21:53 |
| rzr | http://dot.kde.org/2012/08/09/digia-committed-thriving-qt-ecosystem | 21:55 |
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| ieatlint | written by a marketing rep, good stuff | 22:10 |
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| ZogG_laptop | khertan: you don't say soooo???!!! I submited QA review for your apps i use :P | 22:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: u just bumped version so didn't submit new one yet | 22:21 |
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