IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-08-08

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Aardpa: you should be happy that you have that kind of updating :p the store integration in harmattan is probably done in the worst way imaginable00:52
palol :)00:54
ieatlintlarge parts of harmattan seem to have been designed by a committee that wrote up detailed and specific inane specs that were then delivered to teams of engineers00:54
paif that kind of updating does not work, then i dont see why being happy :)00:54
ieatlintand then scrapped and restarted 9 times00:54
Aardpa: at the beginning updating was 'go to the store, scroll through list of all applications you ever installed (including the ones you threw away after 2 seconds), see if there is somewhere marked 'update', and then go to details screen, and press update.00:57
Aardso, be happy :p00:57
Aardieatlint: I'm not sure if it was 9 times.00:58
ieatlintwell, not me exageratting with the number 9, but perhaps the angry drunken engineer did00:59
paAard, if that would work, it would be better than this00:59
pathis way, i get download  failed. i go to the store, i retry, i still get download failed00:59
Aardpa: I think you can still do it that way, and no, it's not better01:00
ieatlintwhereas i'm preparing to reflash my n9 since the store broke, and i can no longer install anything on it01:00
pato fix i have to download the file by hand from the website, copy to the phone, run dpkg -i01:00
ieatlintalways just says "download failed. package could not be found"01:00
Oni^pa try apt-get install -f01:02
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paOni^, it says it's all fine, tried just now01:03
paby the way, if i update, or clear() and refill a listmodel, how do i trigger a listview to repaint?01:04
paright now it repaints by itself, but it does it wrong (stuff are duplicated in the view)01:04
ieatlintis the listmodel actually a ListModel, or is it a custom model you made from the c++ side?01:06
paits a c++ side stuff01:06
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pathat i regenerate on the c++ side01:07
ieatlintare you sending the signals to say that you're updating the data, and then when you're done?01:07
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pahm not01:07
ieatlinthttp://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/model-view-programming.html01:08
paso i have to connect a signal when i update data to which action in qml?01:08
ieatlinttake a look at the "inserting and removing rows" part01:08
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pathanks01:08
ieatlintyour model should emit a signal saying it is adding/removing rows/cols, or a signal saying it's about to reset the whole model01:08
ieatlintand then a signal saying it's done01:08
ieatlintwhen you have those setup, the listview in qml will handle it01:09
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ieatlintit looks like that page doesn't cover it all, take a look at these http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qabstractitemmodel.html#signals01:10
paah ok, the latter is what i want i guess01:10
ieatlintthere's modelAboutToBeReset() and modelReset() once you're done01:11
paand the model has to emit them itself, right?01:11
ieatlintthe examples on the first url i sent for inserting/removing rows should be followed01:12
paactually in my model i do that for inserting removing01:12
pabut i dont do it for clear()01:12
pa(or well the guy i took the code from didnt do it :))01:13
ieatlintyeah, so if you're clearing the model of all data, but will then insert new data to use, you can do modelAboutToBeReset(); then clear your data, then modelReset();01:14
pafor the rest that template was pretty cool, http://cdumez.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-to-use-c-list-model-in-qml.html01:14
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ieatlinteh, i just subclass QAbstractListModel, run setRoles() in the constructor, and implement rowCount() and data()01:17
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ieatlintcomes off easier than that extra abstracted stuff01:18
paieatlint, i get a weird compile error..  error: 'void QAbstractItemModel::modelAboutToBeReset()' is private01:18
pai dont get.. on the appendRow i  had beginInsertRow() and it was just fine01:19
ieatlintnot sure what the deal is, but i gtg, conf call01:20
paah..01:20
paactually those are signals..01:21
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paok now its good01:23
pathanks :)01:23
ieatlintglad you got it working :)01:24
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heymasterpa: http://cl.ly/image/2N2s0Q3q071Y what do you think?02:35
heymasterand other people02:36
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pait looks cool :) good start02:59
paby the way02:59
paare there  tabs in qml "text"?03:00
palike \t03:00
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pahm03:07
patheres some html subset03:07
pamaybe i could use that03:07
pabut im not exactly a master of html03:07
paall because i dont want to use 2x labels..03:11
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heymasterpa: maybe you can use html tabel03:26
heymasterbut not sure03:26
heymasterpa: why you don't want to use Row or Column ?03:26
heymasterRow { Text {} Text {} }03:28
heymasterand adjust spacing03:29
pahm03:49
pagood idea03:50
pabut still multiple rows wouldnt be aligned03:50
pai mean the first text on two rows03:50
pawell ok, the first maybe would, but the second then03:51
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ieatlintbleh, pos NSU, won't let me reflash a phone, only tells me "there's no update for this product code"07:19
tehdelyhmm07:21
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tehdelymy touchscreen is having issues.  that is a bummer07:21
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tehdelyi can barely type the letter 'q' on the swype keyboard07:21
tehdelyleftmost 5mm or so of screen space no longer responding to touch07:22
tehdelycapacitive touchscreens don't have to be calibrated so i dunno what's up but it does have a little give to it now07:22
ieatlintis it plugged in?07:22
tehdelynein07:23
ieatlintah, then yeah, sounds like you got lucky :/07:23
tehdelylet's hope it gets better07:23
tehdelycause i don't want to have to ship this to europe to get serviced07:23
tehdelyheh07:23
tehdelymy company has a UK office, i guess i'd just tell them to bring it on their next trip to cambridge and drop it off at a NCP07:23
ieatlintthat reminds me, i should see what the odds are i can get my dead n9 fixed07:24
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ieatlintheh, apparently my dead n9 was originally from malaysia07:37
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Hurrianieatlint, no power/LEDs at all?07:53
ieatlintnah, already gone through it all, it's 100% dead07:56
ieatlintforgot to plug it in one night, woke up to a brick07:57
Hurrian:o07:58
ieatlinti should just go find someone else with a black n9, get them drunk in a bar, and switch phones07:59
ieatlintwho wants some free beer?07:59
DocScrutinizer05you should just get spare battery08:02
ieatlintyeah, probably worth trying.. i'm planning to create a display dead phone platforms i worked on, so as long as i can get the screen back in to look nice..08:03
DocScrutinizer05quite obviously there's some hw bug in N9 that alows some subsystem in phone to continue drain battery despite Vdischg-end tripped08:03
ieatlintyeah, and i probably have a battery here that will be compatible08:04
HurrianDocScrutinizer05, either that or the battery's just faulty and leaked a lot of voltage08:04
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Hurrianieatlint, replacing the battery's fairly involved08:04
DocScrutinizer05possible, yeah08:04
ieatlintHurrian: oh my, you mean i might break it trying? :P08:04
Hurriananyways, just goes to show that removable batteries are bad.08:04
Hurrians/removable/non-removable/08:05
infobotHurrian meant: anyways, just goes to show that non-removable batteries are bad.08:05
Hurrianwhelp08:05
ieatlintmy understanding is it's a screw at the top, and then prying off the lcd08:05
DocScrutinizer052 screws08:05
ieatlintand that's mostly it .. it's really re-seating the lcd comfortably is the issue08:05
DocScrutinizer05lemme find that video for you08:05
ieatlintbut considering i lost a number of photos on it, i wouldn't be too upset08:05
ieatlinttorx t4 or t5?08:06
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSJtUbnM46E08:09
DocScrutinizer05ieatlint: Tx4 IIRC08:11
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DocScrutinizer05nah 508:13
DocScrutinizer05ieatlint: and you can remove the flap, just pull it off08:14
DocScrutinizer05hmm, nm. Can't reproduce, so maybe I recall sth odd08:14
DocScrutinizer05oh dafaq, hooker08:15
DocScrutinizer05yep, T5, and flap removable, just pry it off with the torx08:17
ieatlintyep, figured out the t508:18
ieatlintok, i have the screen off08:18
ieatlintinterestingly, a ribbon cable is completely off between the screen and the board (there are two ribbons, one isecure)08:18
ieatlintwondering if i somehow pulled it off from its connector when trying or if it somehow was loose08:18
ieatlinthave reattached the ribbon, plugged in phone, going to wait 15-20min to see if that somehow fixed it08:19
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DocScrutinizer05well, if it doesn't show charging LED, it won't magically awake?08:24
DocScrutinizer05or will it?08:24
ieatlintmy understanding was that a deep discharged battery won't show a charging led during the initial recovery08:25
DocScrutinizer05according to what I recall from schematics, it should. But again I could be wrong08:25
ieatlinti suspect that i pulled off the cable in my disassembly08:25
ieatlintbut figured it was worthwhile to just pause and see08:25
ieatlintbut yeah, still nothing after the ~7min08:26
* DocScrutinizer05 waves - time for 30min sleep08:26
ieatlintgnite08:26
DocScrutinizer05good luck with your repair08:27
ieatlintthanks08:27
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PaulePanterieatlint: Please keep us posted about your progress replacing the battery.11:12
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khertanMorning11:24
khertanSomeone know if there is a way to invert theme of some components only ?11:24
admiral0khertan: there should be a qml property11:26
admiral0inverted or something like that11:26
khertantheme.inverted = true11:26
khertanbut it s invert theme for every components11:26
admiral0have no idea :\11:27
gabriel9|workmorning11:28
gabriel9|workdoes anyone have some read about application who add new entry in Accounts ?11:29
gabriel9|worki need a login, and it would be great if i can add entry in accounts11:29
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sp3000http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Best_practices_for_application_development_Integrating_account_management_to_applications.html right?12:09
djszapiwow, how long url :-)12:12
sp3000yeah it's impressive12:12
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sp3000at least it's actual words12:13
sp3000and not something resembling perl and uuids getting it on like some systems would have it12:13
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* djszapi does not have internet connection at home anymore12:16
djszapimeg, internet is overrated anyway ^^ ;)12:16
djszapimeh*12:16
clauis there any way of encrypting locally stored emails?12:18
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gabriel9|workthanks sp300012:29
gabriel9|worknice nice nice12:29
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gabriel9|workthis is nice example12:35
gabriel9|workhttp://code.ohloh.net/file?fid=AIHrmbL6HRUxDQM-HfqH0YEG_nA&cid=1ss49wJVRTY&s=&browser=Default&ipid=281760#L012:35
pais it possible to define a default paramenter for a function in javascript?12:38
palike in qml, function foo(par1, par2=0, par3={})12:38
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gabriel9|workyes12:44
gabriel9|workin the body of function check if param is defined12:45
gabriel9|workif it is not then add your default value :)12:45
gabriel9|workjust use ternary operator for readability12:46
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djszapifaenil: hey13:54
djszapiseems we will be getting playbooks \o/13:54
susundbergwhat is this playbook contest?14:00
djszapiwell, it is for KDE developers.14:01
susundberggoogle gives me 'http://crackberry.com/crackberry-contest-win-free-blackberry-playbook' but it guess thats not the case ..14:01
admiral0:O14:01
djszapithey do not have dev alpha anymore14:01
djszapiand they do not manufacture that either14:01
djszapithey only have limited for the remaining jams.14:01
djszapibut I am happier with a playbook anyway14:01
susundberg:)14:01
djszapito be honest, even happier than the raspberry pi :-)14:04
djszapisince it is a product, so you can really focus on the software applications.14:04
djszapiwith the raspberry pi*14:04
djszapiwhich is exactly what we need in DKE. :-)14:04
djszapiKDE*14:04
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djszapiadmiral0: could you please drop me an email, or send your email address in a query14:20
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khertanlook like we will never get anymore update for n950 :(14:57
djszapihow unexpected...14:57
pa:)14:57
pait looks like neither for n9, tho..14:58
khertanalso :)14:58
khertaneuhhh somewhat have a link to the oneclickflasher for n950 ... i found only old pr1.115:04
hiemanshu~update15:06
infobotfrom memory, update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n95015:06
hiemanshukhertan: ^15:06
khertanthx15:09
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: sup man15:37
ZogG_laptopkhertan: waiting to check khtdesktoppr15:37
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ZogG_laptopdid they answer you?15:37
khertanthey already answer me for some question, but didn't answer yet for the authorization,15:39
khertanalso i ve ask them if this is possible to add a parameters to filter nudity contents15:39
khertan:)15:39
khertanand adding the username in the json to avoid requesting each user name individually by requesting information on a user_id15:40
khertan:)15:40
khertanZogG_laptop: else the applications is near ready15:41
khertanZogG_laptop: it s look like a clone of mustr, but for wallpapers instead of pattern ... as patterns are boring :)15:41
ZogG_laptoppaterns are fine btw =)15:42
ZogG_laptopbut it's good to have both15:43
ZogG_laptopwhy dont u mergre15:43
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khertanZogG_laptop: not same api ... and even tech mustr is mostly done in qml and retrieve information from an xml api16:07
khertanZogG_laptop: and KhtDesktopPr is mostly python / qml and a json api16:07
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merlin1991attemting to build duicontrolpanel take 319:13
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paQuestion: i see that for the coding competition, there are only N950 for beginners..19:20
pameaning that if i want an N9, i have to compete in "non beginner"?19:21
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pa"Already released software must have a substantial upgrade from previous releases to qualify for entry to the 'Updates to existing applications' category. These entries should also include a list of changes the author has made to the previous version. "19:26
padoes this mean that if i now publish my app on the store, it cant be used to participate?19:26
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paZogG_laptop, i read on the discussion thread that many asked my question , and they have always bveen answered "no problem, go ahead and publish on the store"19:36
paso i dont know..19:36
paprobably it's fine.. someone told me the same here too, some time ago19:36
thpany pointers to which libs/apis to use to show a sharing dialog (e.g. to share an image) from a qml app?19:39
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pashit i forgot again how to set the icon for the application manager19:47
paah found19:48
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panow i forgot where to set the package version -.-20:18
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djszapithis made my day :) https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,3249421:54
djszapiQt Creator's support for Symbian was at its peak in version21:54
djszapi1.4.x. Nobody really verified it in Qt Creator 1.5 or 1.6.21:54
djszapiIt is most likely rotten. Let's remove it!21:54
pahe might be right :)21:56
djszapithat does not matter :)21:57
rzrdjszapi, next step rm qt21:57
djszapibash: rm qt: command not found21:58
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heymasterrzr: how would you remove qt from qt creator ? :)21:58
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heymasterrewrite in java or objc :)22:01
heymasterjust looked at prices. possible to get new nokia n9 for eur22:07
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heymaster350 eur22:07
Sazpaimonhas the PR1.3 dvd been uploaded yet?22:08
djszapiheymaster: colour, 16 or 64, etc.22:08
djszapimicrosim or normal sim22:09
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pan9 16 is cheaper than that i think22:12
paunless it already began getting rare22:12
heymasterdjszapi: microsim. but it's from small retailers ..from operators you can get from about 470 eur22:13
djszapiI sold mine for 300 EUR22:13
djszapihalf a year ago22:13
djszapiso I was too cheap then :P22:13
heymaster:)22:13
pai've seent it for 249 recently (new) in both finland and italy22:13
heymasterwhat about chinese versions?22:15
heymasterthey are upgradable?22:15
paargh22:16
pachinese22:16
panooo22:16
padont do it!22:16
heymasteri wanted to buy nokia n9 very cheaply for about 200 eur. called to seller he said it's chinese version with very bad camera.22:18
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paput 300 and get it good :)22:20
befordSazpaimon: check javispedro twitter, he was uploading it this morning22:20
heymasterpa: i willing to win in contest :)22:20
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djszapianyway, good night :)22:20
heymastergood night22:21
heymasterdon't much money, so won't buy n9 :)22:22
paheymaster, i hope so too :)22:22
heymasterhave*22:22
heymasterwill stick with ipod dev or try mac dev22:23
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pai wonder if i should spend time to package also my other app22:25
pai know already only few people would maybe use it..22:25
heymasteris packaging hard procedure?22:26
befordkhertan, thp: is it possible to tell "psa build-deb" not to strip binaries?22:28
befordheymaster: if you use qtcreator it does all the work for you22:29
heymasterbeford: great :)22:29
pabeford, well not all22:30
befordthe hard part? :p22:30
pa:)22:30
befordyou have to edit descriptions and icons yea22:30
pabeford, by the way, you use psa?22:30
befordpa, trying to use it for the coding contest22:31
paisnt it that it generates debs not compatible with the store?22:31
befordpa, but it's my first python/pyside app22:31
pai see22:31
pa:)22:32
pawell im also trying to figure out how to package python without psa22:32
pa(and possible only pycs)22:32
papossibly22:32
befordpa, yea I noticed that, it seems to put things in /usr/share, for the time being it helps me to test the app fast on the n9, I also installed meego components on the ubuntu vm and it's nice to be able to run it here aswell22:34
rzrkhertan, hi22:36
befordpa: I suppose we can use the "traditional" debian/ folder way of packaging22:36
rzrkhertan #meego-fr ?22:36
pabeford, well, here folks adviced to use scratchbox for packaging python22:38
paproblem is i never used it , and i feel a little lost with it22:38
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gabriel9so i started with C++ for backend logic23:28
gabriel9Should my classes inherit from something? QObject like23:29
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cyrus-n9hi all  is there any meego app with functionality like reaver?23:31
heymastergabriel9: i think is good to have QObject subclass is good for memory managment purposes and if you want to store object in Qt containers23:34
ZogG_laptopcyrus-n9: reaver?23:34
ZogG_laptopcyrus-n9: btw as you are not on jabber —   http://opensource.conformal.com/wiki/xxxterm23:35
ZogG_laptopbeford: sup23:35
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cyrus-n9reaver for brutforcing wpa2))23:38
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jonnicyrus-n9: reaver compiles just fine for harmattan23:39
jonni(I have it installed on my N9)23:39
cyrus-n9hm..do u have debpkg? cause i dont have compiler on my n923:40
jonninope, I didnt make deb for it, just scp'ed the binaries.23:40
ZogG_laptopcyrus-n9: build it on OBS and why do you need to brutforce wpa2?23:41
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cyrus-n9jonni, so u compiled it on foreign machine?23:41
ZogG_laptopcyrus-n9: scratchbox i think23:42
jonnicompiled it on sb23:42
cyrus-n9ZogG_laptop, cause i dont have web connection at work)23:42
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cyrus-n9ZogG_laptop, yoy know how to do this?23:42
jonnicyrus-n9: you will have easier time installing reaver on N900, than on N9. As it has ready made packages.23:43
ZogG_laptopcyrus-n9: i don't have scratchbox23:43
cyrus-n9yeah, n900 already has air-ng apps)23:43
ZogG_laptopcyrus-n9: i think n9 has too, but it's useless as n9 chip/driver doesn't support cool stuff =)23:44
cyrus-n9but i have only n923:44
ZogG_laptopcyrus-n9: what the f are you trying to do?23:44
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befordhey ZogG_laptop23:44
ZogG_laptopbeford: sup23:44
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jonniZogG_laptop: it supports, but you need to compile custom kernel for injection to work. So right, it doesnt support by default.23:45
befordnot much, fighting with ruby23:45
cyrus-n9there is a hostel..near and it has wifi that i can use..so..))23:45
ZogG_laptopcyrus-n9: you have wifi at home, and use laptop to brutforce23:46
cyrus-n9yeah..but i cant use laptop at my workplace23:47
ZogG_laptopjonni: do we have drivers? afaik someone wrote a proper one for n900, as stock didn't work23:47
ZogG_laptopcyrus-n9: than just work23:47
ZogG_laptopcyrus-n9: just buy the plan with #g internet23:47
ZogG_laptopcyrus-n9: it's not cool to do stuff like that23:47
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cyrus-n9:) yea..but there is no any other wifi connection there..23:48
heymastercyrus-n9: sleep on night at hostel and you will get password23:49
heymaster:)23:49
cyrus-n9heymaster, this is my plan B :)23:49
heymaster:)23:49
jonniZogG_laptop: driver is on kernel sources, you just need to do same kind of pathing to wl1273 drivers that was done to wl1251 (N900) drivers, same generic wl12xx patch set works. Nobody has just released it, as not so many are interested to run things in open mode.23:50
ZogG_laptopcyrus-n9: sleep with receptionist at lunch break — Plan B23:50
ZogG_laptopjonni: openmode is not popular, ah?23:50
jonniand as someone had 'forgotten' to enable extensions as module, one cannot make injection drivers to secure mode.23:51
cyrus-n9ok. thnx guys..n950club community the best) best regards and good night23:51
heymasteri know few coffee shops with passworded wifi networks but if you ask them they will say password23:51
cyrus-n9maybe i have to try make some war-driving :D23:52
jonniand there as some other random features, like mon0 not having mac by default, which will make ifconfig barf up :)23:52
ZogG_laptopcyrus-n9: try to build it on OBS23:52
ZogG_laptopjonni: do we have ifconfig at all?23:53
cyrus-n9only with ur help zoggy23:53
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thpbeford: there's a debhelper option to avoid stripping afaik23:53
ZogG_laptopjonni: i almost never used n9 terminal as i used to use n900's =)23:53
ZogG_laptopmaybe coz i got cooler laptop :P23:53
thp(stripping of binaries, that is)23:53
jonniZogG_laptop: yes /sbin/ifconfig23:53
ZogG_laptopjonni: :P23:53
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ieatlintPaulePanter: it essentially failed, the phone is back into the state it was when i started the attempt23:56
ieatlintremoving the screen was much easier than i guessed, and it went back in very easy23:56
ieatlintbut despite using a t5 screwdriver, i managed to strip one of the screws while attempting to access the battery, and then basically gave up23:57
ieatlintwould be very simple to drill it out if i get motivated again in the future, but i also became very aware that i in fact do not have a battery to use as a spare on it right now23:58
ieatlintmight try and buy one at some point if cheap, and will attempt again..23:58
PaulePanterieatlint: Thanks. If you find a cheap source for the battery please let me know.23:58
thpieatlint: i guess that happens to everybody23:58
thpieatlint: just dremel it out there23:58
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thpit will make your device a few milligrams lighter! think about that!23:59
merlin1991ZogG_laptop: the result of my work http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1249260#post1249260 :D23:59
ieatlinti might actually have a dremel in my closet23:59
ieatlintand yeah, dremel it out and watch the shavings very closely :P23:59

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