IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-08-01

azeemif it's a default package, they might be liberal with pacakge dependencies00:00
mystinlooks like it's part of the base system00:00
mystinnokia drive is *pure* qml??00:05
djszapi_what do you mean by pure qml?00:06
mystinit doesn't depend on some sort of compiled nokia-drive package00:06
mystinthe whole thing is qml and javascript?00:06
mystinthat's amazing, if so.00:07
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* mystin rtfs00:12
mystinThere is a Guidance component which has a navigateRoute method which sounds useful, but it's not defined anywhere... so I assume it's in MapsPlugin, whatever that is00:19
azeemmystin: no, there's /usr/bin/drive00:23
azeemthe code is C, the UI is QML AIUI00:23
mystinnot for me there isn't?00:23
mystinah, drive-qml :)00:24
azeemfor some community mods on the QML00:24
mystinI can't for the life of me find anything in the QML that does the speech stuff, though, so I think that's either in the compiled app or in some other library I haven't found00:27
* azeem remembers he copied the QML to his notebook and takes a look00:28
azeemmystin: grep for voice, not speech00:30
mystinyeah, there's plenty of stuff to download new voices00:30
mystinbut I can't find anything that actually *uses* the voice stuff to speak some text00:30
mystinunless I'm missing it00:30
azeemyeah, it could well be that this is in the core00:31
azeemthe actual routing etc. is as well00:31
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gabriel9do anyone know what component is used in Contacts for fields?00:45
gabriel9some of them have buttons on side00:45
gabriel9:D they are buttons00:46
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gabriel9row in columns or columns in rows :D01:15
gabriel9that is the question :)01:15
parows in columns :)01:18
pabut i realized rows suck in qml01:18
pa(depending what u wanna do, ofc)01:19
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robertjwis it possible to run multiple terminal instances on the n9?05:25
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Oni^install screen?05:54
Elleorobertjw: run "meego-terminal -n &"05:58
Elleo(or install screen/tmux)05:58
robertjwok, one more...  can I manually create a launcher to run a shell script06:02
Elleosure, just create a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications06:02
robertjwperfect.  many thanks!06:03
Elleono worries :)06:03
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Oni^does ~/.local/share/applications also work?06:03
Elleonot sure06:03
ElleoI guess it depends on if tracker monitors it or not06:04
Elleo(for updating the launcher)06:04
Oni^well that were all users made folders are06:05
Oni^or .folder06:05
Elleomy advice would be to just give it a try and find out06:05
robertjwI'm really starting to love this N9/harmattan.  It's much more "gnu" than android.06:11
Elleojust tested and it does work there06:11
Elleoalso seems that's used for defining the quicklaunch icons too06:11
Elleorobertjw: yeah, it's nice being able to develop with lots of standard foss tools and libraries06:13
robertjwjust modified my terminal launcher to give it multiple launch behavior.  try doing that in under a minute with android.06:15
Elleoone thing you might want to watch out for is that you need to be careful editing files that have been installed by packages; if they have aegis (the security framework on the system) signatures and you change them the device will lock you out until you reflash06:19
Elleoso if you modify/replace some executable you might find yourself with a bit of trouble06:20
robertjwdo we have a list of monitored files?06:21
Elleowell each package has its own manifest06:21
ElleoI'm not sure what file types gets given signatures by default06:22
Elleomight just be executables and libraries06:22
Elleothere's probably more details on the wiki, it's a problem I've typically just avoided06:23
robertjwi must have touched something yesterday, since I did get that (punishing) behavior06:23
Elleoyou can also disable aegis altogether if you find it too restrictive by flashing the openmode kernel (voids warranties, etc.)06:23
robertjwoh now you have my interest06:23
robertjwsearching openmode kernel06:24
Elleothere's also inception which allows you to install packages with full aegis permissions, which is a slightly different solution06:24
Elleowouldn't help with stopping you getting locked out, but it allows you to install packages and give them full control over the system06:24
Elleowhilst still retaining aegis06:24
robertjwaegis sounds a lot like selinux06:25
robertjwwhich i normally disable immediately06:25
itsnotabigtruckrobertjw: quick way to check if the file is protected06:28
itsnotabigtruckgrep filename /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist06:28
Elleoah, cool06:29
robertjwi'm seeing various openmode kernels.  is there a prefered one compatible with pr1.306:29
itsnotabigtruckrobertjw: just use inception06:29
itsnotabigtruckof course, i'm not exactly objective :p06:29
itsnotabigtruckbut open mode is a can of worms06:29
Elleorobertjw: <-- that's a pr1.3 kernel06:30
Elleobut bear in mind that I've never done anything with openmode and couldn't possibly say how safe it is06:30
robertjwwell, i'm checked out with the flasher in case it doesn't work out, and I don't have a lot of time invested in this phone yet06:31
itsnotabigtruckrobertjw: to be clear, "open mode" is a mode that the phone can be put in06:31
itsnotabigtruckit's not a particular kernel06:31
itsnotabigtruckyou can go open mode with the regular kernel06:31
itsnotabigtruckbut a lot of people here by "open mode" mean the kernel elleo linked06:31
robertjwso, it is possible to disable aegis with the regular kernel?06:32
itsnotabigtruckno, you can't disable aegis, period06:32
itsnotabigtruckat least in a way that's permanent and keeps everything working06:32
robertjwnot even with a custom kernel06:32
itsnotabigtruckwell, the custom kernel elleo linked comments out the aegis access checks06:32
Elleoaegis still exists with the openmode kernel but it stops it from being able to lock you out06:32
itsnotabigtruckbut the inception approach is better06:32
robertjwsearching inception06:33
itsnotabigtrucknote that the website is down because one of my contacts let the domain lapse06:33
itsnotabigtruckuse the thread on talk.maemo.org06:33
Elleoalso, you should certainly listen to itsnotabigtruck over me on this sort of thing ;)06:33
itsnotabigtruck(i wrote inception so that's why i keep pushing it :p)06:35
itsnotabigtruckrobertjw ^06:35
robertjwI suspected as much. :)06:35
robertjwreading your 0.2.5 release notes, sounds interesting06:36
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CreamyG31338yeah it's better than open mode for most people06:52
CreamyG31338some developers and power users may prefer an open kernel, but its not as easy to get working 100%06:53
CreamyG31338i'm sure one of them will be along shortly to inform u what a terrible hack inception is06:53
CreamyG31338but fact is the security flaws are there in open mode too, they have no point06:53
robertjwwell on the subject of security, i have never felt "secure" placing my computer or handset in the trusted hands of a vendor.  i only feel secure when i have full control of my machine.06:55
robertjwthat's why all my computers run linux, and each is verifiably secure06:56
CreamyG31338yeah u gotta stick to open source and compile your own stuff to be 100% secure, and even then, who knows what flaws are in the OS06:57
CreamyG31338or the apps06:57
CreamyG31338u are mostly secure at least06:57
CreamyG31338always some smart hacker has a way in :P06:57
robertjw<soapbox> and that's why i'm spending time with my new n9 so i can secure it </soapbox>06:57
CreamyG31338well it's definitely more secure than android/ios just because nobody targets us :)06:58
robertjwbut you know that the n9 does phone home06:58
robertjwin an encrypted dialog06:58
robertjwi was not happy to see those packets06:59
CreamyG31338once or often?06:59
robertjwon a regular basis07:00
robertjwrun tcpdump on your wifi connection or on the phonet0 interface and you will see the same traffic07:00
CreamyG31338and u had pr 1.2? one would hope thats a bug07:00
CreamyG31338pretty lame if not07:00
robertjwi have pr1.307:01
robertjwon the plus side, you would not even have the capability to monitor so closely in an android or especially ios environment07:02
CreamyG31338yeah it's suspicious but nokia doesn't scare me too much. american companies do.07:02
robertjwi agree07:03
CreamyG31338or chinese :P07:03
robertjwif i have to trust any vendor, nokia would be on the top of my list.  but i'd rather trust only myself.07:03
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itsnotabigtruckrobertjw: the phonet0 interface is the phone communicating with the modem07:19
itsnotabigtruckpretty sure you'll get all sorts of nonsense that doesn't have to do with data transmissions07:19
itsnotabigtruckif you see dodgy stuff on the wifi or gprs interfaces, see if you can identify precisely what it actually is07:20
robertjwyes, but if you compare the encrypted strings to what you capture on wlan0 you will find them to be the same07:20
itsnotabigtruck"encrypted strings" could easily be perfectly legitimate traffic that you don't understand07:20
itsnotabigtruckesp if you're going off of tcpdump console output07:20
itsnotabigtruckand not transferring to a pc and loading into wireshark07:20
robertjwquite true, i'm just looking for answers07:20
itsnotabigtrucktry doing tcpdump in write mode to a pcap file07:20
itsnotabigtruckscp over the file and load into wireshark07:21
robertjwi did transfer to wireshark for analysis07:21
itsnotabigtruckso what protocol/port is the suspect traffic and where's it communicating with07:21
robertjwjust looking at the raw tcpdump packets is not too interesting07:21
robertjwi can give you the details07:21
itsnotabigtrucki mean, if what you're saying is true it's a little bit worrying, but it's really easy to sound the false alarm on that stuff07:22
itsnotabigtruckthat said, there's features i don't particularly like e.g. some of the gps assistance stuff07:22
itsnotabigtruckand that it doesn't give you much of a choice regarding adding an ovi account07:23
robertjwi'm not intending to sound an alarm, i'm only saying that i observed encrypted traffic on an otherwise idle handset.  the analysis of that data deserves further work.07:25
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robertjwone example packet to contained a 288 byte encrypted string07:30
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Elleothat's a microsoft ip, do you have any of the outlook syncing stuff or a microsoft imap account or anything setup?07:32
robertjwalso observed encrypted handset originated traffic to
Elleoor possibly skype07:32
robertjwskype was running07:33
Elleothat'll probably be it then07:33
robertjwgood work, i'll repeat the test with skype turned off07:33
robertjwi bet you are right07:33
Elleoyou could also try doing some more activity inside skype and see if the amount of data being sent increases dramatically07:34
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robertjwand skype would be justifiably encrypted07:34
robertjwjust verified that the encrypted traffic i was seeing was from skype.  with skype disabled, the phone looks clean.  i'll do an overnight capture to verify.08:05
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tehdelyso i discovered today that track n protect doesn twork08:05
tehdelyi tried to locate my phone, because i was worried i had left it at the bank08:06
tehdelyeventually found it on my desk08:06
tehdelysure enough it had the cryptic sms that TnP sends to the phone08:06
tehdelybut the TnP software never picked up the sms and did anything with it08:06
tehdelyis there some daemon that's supposed to be running?08:06
tehdelyhmm... /usr/bin/tnpd is running08:14
tehdelyi sent them a support msg08:14
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CreamyG31338i think they stopped supporting the n9 after pr 1.2 or something08:39
CreamyG31338lazy company08:40
tehdelywell then they should not have taken my money08:43
tehdelybecause i signed up after i upgraded to pr1308:43
tehdely1.3 rather08:43
tehdelythe tnp package was upgraded in pr1.3 so that doesn't quite make sense08:44
tehdelybut anyhow i contacted support so we will see what (if anything) they say08:44
CreamyG31338i don't think they replied to me... what was that company called?08:45
CreamyG31338looks like i got a reply in 5 days from them but i didn't follow up after that08:47
tehdelywhat did their reply say?08:47
CreamyG31338on march 2608:47
tehdelydid you have the same issue I'm having08:47
tehdelywhere the phone gets the sms but does nothing08:47
CreamyG31338they asked me to send a log and what fw version i had08:47
CreamyG31338yeah same problem, the sms was not processed by their app, i asked if it's broken, they asked for more details 5 days later. i didn't reply though.08:48
CreamyG31338anyways that's pretty terrible support if i emailed them wednesday and they replied sunday.08:50
CreamyG31338good luck :)08:50
tehdelyheh, thanks08:50
tehdelyit's alright08:50
tehdelyi'm used to Nokia's level of support08:50
tehdelythey've set the bar pretty low08:50
CreamyG31338yeah lol08:50
CreamyG31338i hope its not broken/unsupported08:50
tehdelyi had a downright kafkaesque experience w/ Nokia on my E7208:50
tehdelyMail for Exchange wouldn't work with Zimbra08:51
tehdelythey sent me this giant questionnaire to fill out with all these details of mye xchange sever08:51
tehdelyand there was no way to send the questionnaire back to them08:51
tehdelyif you replied to them, your reply would bounce08:51
tehdelyand if you pasted it into their "contact me" form, it would silently truncate 95% of what you sent them08:51
tehdelyand it took weeks of arguing with their agents on the phone to finally admit that they had never even gotten my reply08:51
tehdelyone of their support guys begrudgingly opened a gmail account just so i could email him the answers to the questionnaire... that he'd sent me08:51
tehdelyand after a month of just getting through the process of explaining to them what exchange server i used, i got the answer i was expecting anyway which is "we don't support that"08:52
CreamyG31338yeah... big companies suck. but so do small ones. aghhh08:53
tehdelyit was actually better than that... i got ahold of some canadian guy who actually had contact with the symbian devs, who was able to confirm that not only was it a known issue but they had no08:53
tehdely  intention of fixing it08:53
tehdelyi think that was the second month :)08:53
tehdelyyeah, true08:53
tehdelyhowever my experiences with Nokia are with a company that is downright hostile to American customers08:53
CreamyG31338yeah exchange seems like some holy grail nobody can get right08:53
tehdelyi have no idea if that has changed now that they are legitimately trying to enter the US market w/ LUMIA08:53
CreamyG31338not even wp7 does it (i think)08:53
tehdelybut at the time, i was an unwanted afterthought, treated contemptuously08:54
tehdelythis was with a NAM phone, too :)08:54
itsnotabigtrucktehdely: agreed re hostile08:56
CreamyG31338i'm praying the windows tablets that have intel cpu will be good enough i never need another moblile app08:56
CreamyG31338cuz i'm really sick of everything being unsupported i want to do08:56
itsnotabigtruckmaybe they'd be doing better if they hadn't ignored one of the largest markets for expensive phones08:56
itsnotabigtruckfor god knows how many years08:56
CreamyG31338i dunno, i was happy with s60 smartphone > n900 > n908:57
CreamyG31338those first two were bricks though and nobody else i know would buy them08:58
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djszapi_Venemo_N9: sup10:29
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Venemo_N9djszapi_, heading for work :)10:32
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ZogG_laptopanyone knows any bicycle holdings for n9?10:32
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: did you bought any?10:33
unreal-ZogG_laptop: i bought an ajustable bike holder on ebay10:33
ZogG_laptopunreal-: is it good ? and is it good for n9?10:34
ZogG_laptopunreal-: 2 things are important: 1) it wouldn't fall down, 2) phone will not fall down10:34
unreal-let me see if i can find the reference in my ebat mails :)10:34
ZogG_laptopand less important, is it made for n9 and you can reach all buttons =)10:35
ZogG_laptopunreal-: but you got it already?10:35
HurrianZogG_laptop, I prefer to mill out a block of aluminium and make screw bars on top10:35
Hurrianuniversal, and guaranteed not to ever, ever slip out10:35
ZogG_laptopHurrian: homemade?10:35
Hurrianhave one made at a machine shop if you don't have a CNC10:35
ZogG_laptopHurrian: i have no tools, no time, and no exp in buying materials =) Though when i tried to DYI i always was good at it =)10:36
unreal-it's quite tough10:36
Hurriangrab a block of aluminium 5mm larger in every dimension, mill out space for N9 with rubber case, then drill holes for long screws (thumb screws?) on upper size10:37
unreal-Hurrian: no chance of it slipping out10:37
unreal-those springy brackets hold nice and tight10:37
ZogG_laptopHurrian: pictures and instruction with pictures would be nice =P10:37
Hurrianunreal, ah, thought the brackets screw on.10:38
Hurrianthe addition of the spring is nice, and I bet with the rubber case on the N9 won't slip off10:38
unreal-no chance it would slip, with ou without rubber case10:40
ZogG_laptopHurrian: i don't use case btw10:41
ZogG_laptopit ugly with it :P10:41
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ZogG_laptopor let's say more beautiful without10:41
unreal-also let's say the case leave marks on the paint of the phone which are hard to remove10:41
unreal-the only problem with the n9 is that it is like a bar of soap10:42
unreal-i would not trust myself handling it if i'm drunk :-)10:43
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ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: does bot have option to leave a msg? (not thru chanserver but bot itself)10:44
ZogG_laptopunreal-: so you wouldn't go to prison with n9 you say10:45
djszapi_ZogG_laptop: yes, my pocket10:45
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: :P10:46
Hurrianunreal-, black N9 here, only problem is the dust ;)10:49
ZogG_laptopn9 here , no problem with dust10:51
ZogG_laptophave few scratches on screen but you can see then only in certain angles10:52
djszapi_unreal-: ZogG_laptop why is this useful?10:52
djszapi_you can see a bike app permanently?10:52
djszapi_if you assemble this in front of you, or why?10:52
ZogG_laptopas well few small scratches on body, but not really that important. i just have it for a long time, so i don't really that care about that. it looks good anyway =)10:53
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: bike app, change songs. I hope to see the bike app with speedometer and all the ingo10:53
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: Hurrian unreal-
ZogG_laptophe made as well hardware speedometer afaik for n900.10:56
HurrianZogG_laptop, that's nice10:57
ZogG_laptopand he has app10:57
ZogG_laptophe never finished it afaik10:58
ZogG_laptopi rememeber reading about it even when i had n900 =)10:58
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ZogG_laptopHurrian: unreal- would you like app for n9 like that?10:59
ZogG_laptopthough sport tracker has similar functions11:00
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djszapi_I might buy one for trying out11:02
djszapi_but I have tons of cycling computers already11:02
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HurrianZogG_laptop, GPS-based distance, compass, logger and pedometer(?) in one app would be boss11:04
ZogG_laptopHurrian: i can try to port his work to qml and harmattan. but not sure11:05
ZogG_laptopwhat is pedometer?11:06
ZogG_laptopHurrian: i want cool mount, with connection to wheels for power =)11:06
HurrianZogG_laptop, battery charging pins on phone bottom + battery charged from dynamo?11:08
Hurriani'm in.11:08
Hurrian*external battery11:08
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ZogG_laptopHurrian: yup, dinamo. but i think you can buy ne for android phone and it would work with n9 (microusb both and same voltage ±11:09
Hurrianeven though the USB port on the N9 is extra-extra reinforced, I'm still scarred by the N900's USB port fiasco11:09
fluxhas anyone broken the N9 usb port?11:12
Hurrianflux, no reports yet11:13
fluxthought so11:13
ZogG_laptoponly the cover i think11:13
Hurriani'm not that surprised, usb port is covered by plastic which holds against chassis11:13
ZogG_laptopHurrian: that's why i dont have n900 anymore =P11:13
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ZogG_laptopjreznik hello11:15
jreznikZogG_laptop: hi :)11:15
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HurrianZogG_laptop, that blows. I still have my N900 here as my occasional web browsing and ARM-linux fiddling machine11:16
ZogG_laptopHurrian: i want to try to connect wires to board and use it with power =) but i'm affraid i wouldn't find all parts as i didn't reassembled befored moved to new appartment, so not sure if all parts there11:18
ZogG_laptopmaximum i'll give screen and parts to damagedslpine (waze port), as he needs some and i hope MohammadAG will be able to give me his extra11:19
ZogG_laptopi want to finish xmms2 client i started to write11:19
HurrianZogG_laptop, IIRC you only need board and screen to use it11:19
HurrianI guess you can guess keyboard layout11:20
ZogG_laptopguess keyboard? what do you mean?11:20
ZogG_laptopi can type blind on PC in 2 lang with blank keyboard(no letters) but still mostly i need to look at keyboard11:21
ZogG_laptopfor example i have no russian layout on keyboard but i look at keyboard anyway11:21
ZogG_laptopi dunno why11:21
ZogG_laptopchem|st: sup11:22
ZogG_laptopHurrian: unreal-
ZogG_laptoplooks nice and cheap11:23
chem|ststill looking for gstreamer solutions11:23
ElleoZogG_laptop: nokia sells a little bottle dynamo that works pretty well for charging phones if that's what you're after11:24
Elleoneeds a small an adapter for the n9, but otherwise works fine11:24
HurrianZogG_laptop, 6V@0.5A?11:24
Hurrianpretty nice.11:24
ZogG_laptopElleo: i think i saw it before, but that one is inside one, no need to take it out while parking outside11:26
ZogG_laptopit goes inside wheel as i understand11:26
Elleoyeah, the one you linked is a hub dynamo11:26
Elleomore effort to fit though11:27
ZogG_laptopwhat concerns me is underpowere11:27
ElleoI don't take my bottle dynamo off, but I live in a very low crime area11:27
ZogG_laptopis it healthy to connect when it's not enuf power11:27
ZogG_laptopElleo: once i discovered that someone stoled rubbers from my breaks. i was riding it when discovered =)11:28
ElleoI had someone steal my saddle once when I lived somewhere else11:28
Elleohad to ride 10 miles home standing up :P11:28
Elleonow I secure my saddle to the bike with a tiny extra lock11:29
ZogG_laptopElleo: few months ago i had my motorcycle lock(i have one on my bike as they safer) cut inside the building on second flloor11:31
ZogG_laptopgood someone saw it and scared guy so he ran away11:31
ZogG_laptopand i have 2 bikes stolen from me =\11:32
Elleothat sucks11:32
ZogG_laptopi keep it home and trying not to leave outside11:32
ZogG_laptopElleo: any news on mafw plugin for echo?11:33
ZogG_laptopbtw would it send signature and how much traffic is it?11:33
ElleoZogG_laptop: nope, the echoprint folks still haven't released a mechanism for publically submitting fingerprints11:34
ElleoZogG_laptop: depends on the length of the song, but only a few kbs11:34
ZogG_laptopElleo: hope there would be plugin for xmms2 as i have about 300 gibs music =P11:34
ElleoZogG_laptop: well when there's a submission mechanism I'll be writing a script for general linux machines that can process large batches11:35
Elleorather than waiting for you to play stuff11:35
Elleoso you can just set it loose on a whole directory11:35
Elleoas I want to get all the music on in the fingerprint database11:36
ZogG_laptopElleo: you are dev of as well?11:37
ElleoI'm also considering trying to write a spotify powered fingerprinter, so it can just gradually work through everything on spotify11:37
ElleoZogG_laptop: yeah11:37
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ZogG_laptopElleo: cool11:37
ZogG_laptopspotify doesnt work in my country11:38
Elleoah, that's a shame11:38
Elleoit sucks the way so much stuff is restricted to specific countries by silly licensing restrictions11:38
ZogG_laptopElleo: cool :) more honer to know you than :P11:38
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ElleoI really should finish my meego radio client11:39
ZogG_laptopElleo: do we have harattan one?11:39
ElleoI wrote most of it a year ago and then got distracted and never finished it off11:39
ElleoZogG_laptop: yeah, it was for harmattan11:39
ZogG_laptopElleo: there is scrobbler for n9 i think for at least11:39
ElleoZogG_laptop: yeah, the scrobbler supports too11:40
Elleo <-- that's the radio client I was writing11:40
ZogG_laptopElleo: the question does the bef0rd's one support it? as he made it with builtin accounts11:40
ElleoZogG_laptop: <-- this one?11:41
Elleothat one has accounts integration and supports libre.fm11:41
ZogG_laptopElleo: yes, i liked how he has account for my app in screenshot :P11:41
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ZogG_laptopElleo: actually is like right? just opensource or what's the difference? sorry never used it11:42
ElleoZogG_laptop: well focuses purely on free culture music (i.e. music you can share, modify, etc.) as well as being free software itself11:43
Elleoother than that its very similar to and tries to maintain api compatibility wherever possible11:43
ZogG_laptopall i need is to scobble my music11:43
ZogG_laptopit's a pitty the plugin for my music server doeesn't support tag edition with suggestions =)11:44
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ZogG_laptopElleo: is it supported by API btw?11:45
Elleois what supported by the API?11:45
ZogG_laptopthe has a thing to correct title if needed11:46
Elleoah, yeah, we don't have that yet11:47
ZogG_laptopdoes has it as API11:47
Elleoits part of the 2.0 scrobbling protocol, which we've only got partially implemented at the moment11:47
ZogG_laptopand last.m has it?11:47
ElleoZogG_laptop: yeah, it's part of the API11:47
ZogG_laptopnice to know11:47
Elleoyeah, whenever you scrobble something with the 2.0 API the server can send you back corrections automatically11:48
Elleorather than requiring you to look them up separately11:48
ZogG_laptopgonna ping the guy who wrote scrobbler for my music server (xmms2 is da best 4evar) :P11:48
ZogG_laptopapps4meego is online \o/11:48
Elleo <-- see the "corrected" attribute in the response, that tells you if that parameter has been corrected by the server (in which case your its nice if your client fixes your local tags)11:49
ZogG_laptopgonna check it with scrobbler dev11:51
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ZogG_laptopjonni: does ovi has repo for harmattan or how does it work? Pali (and now i) is interested12:15
Paliyes, how it is working?12:15
jonniwell yes and no, you cannot depend on any of ovi store package12:17
gabriel9|workgood day12:18
ZogG_laptopPali: the MohammadAG's new inception12:18
ZogG_laptopneeds inception12:20
jonnias the whole repo is not exposed at any time, there is kind of temporary cache stored in device, which holds recently downloaded descriptions, and those packages can be redownloaded from commandline, but that cache is kind of fifo and after a while the token expires.12:21
ZogG_laptopjonni: is it osa something?12:23
Palithis is really stupid, that you cannot depends on other app/package...12:24
ZogG_laptopPali: cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/osa.list12:24
ZogG_laptopdeb-exec /usr/bin/osa12:24
Palithis is not package system...12:24
ZogG_laptopPali: this is the repo =)12:24
Paliit is this ^^^12:25
jonniit prevents device from malfing, if one could depend on ovi package, then there would be tons on malfs when upgrading the pr releases etc, or when free package that you depend on turns to be non-free.12:25
ZogG_laptopPali: there is also deb harmattan main but no much info about it, i think it was installed along with filemanager, so i don't add it12:27
ZogG_laptopi wouldn't add it12:27
Palijonni, and how are ovi packages updated?12:27
jonniPali: ovistore client / package manager ui.12:28
ZogG_laptopPali: added and it added as separete block - can you check?12:28
Palijonni, I mean how are updated in apt level?12:29
jonniPali: they are not :)12:29
Paliwill that osa export repository with updates?12:29
ZogG_laptopjonni: so it tryes to sync with osa and it actually uses info per phone and installed from ovi packages right??12:29
ZogG_laptopjonni: i think apt-get update would trigger osa wouldn't it? otherwise, how does it show updates in app manager12:30
ZogG_laptopi'll try to check if any updates are comming soon12:30
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ZogG_laptopX-Fade: still here? for login on apps4meego you need your other admin approval as well? or you can link account yourself?12:33
PaliZogG_laptop, updated page, added source packages, removed other info because that wiki page is for apt-mirror12:33
X-FadeZogG_laptop: need account12:34
X-FadeForum is different12:34
PaliX-Fade, ZogG_laptop, is there deb-src repository for apps4meego12:35
ZogG_laptopX-Fade: you gonna answer the thread? if not i'll just quote you there =)12:36
PaliX-Fade, also can you look at kernel-power-* and kernel-power-settings packages? I pushed new version of kernel-power-settings but it again missing in package interface12:37
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ZogG_laptopPali: not sure i you can add his repo without inception, i think the info is needed. better ask him12:38
PaliZogG_laptop, wiki apt-mirror is for backing up12:38
X-FadeZogG_laptop: replied12:38
Paliit is for creating & syncing repositories on your own server12:39
X-FadePali: Yeah, will dive in and try to find out why it doesn't do the import step12:39
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PaliX-Fade, ok12:39
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PaliZogG_laptop, mirror.list (for apt-mirror) is not sources.list (for apt-get)12:43
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qwazixwhat is the recommended way to enable smart reflex permanently?12:52
qwazixthe wiki redirects to kernel-power-configuration which does not mention smartreflex anywhere12:53
qwazixoops wrong channel12:54
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ZogG_laptopqwazix: apps4meego is app, you can submit the app12:57
qwazixZogG_laptop: thanks, but I'm flying in 3 hours hour so it'll have to wait13:00
ZogG_laptopqwazix: just letting you to knoow13:00
ZogG_laptopqwazix: oh and there is rawcam icon made on forum13:00
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ZogG_laptopok i need to go to13:02
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qwazixZogG_laptop: bye,13:02
qwazixbtw icon is nice but I think I'll keep the rho13:03
qwazixmeans more :)13:03
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khertanZogG_laptop: hello ... just got your tweet13:31
khertanwhat did you mean with the add button ?13:31
khertani didn't understand13:31
khertanas there is already an add button in the toolbar on the left13:32
khertanZogG_laptop: and for load file ? an import feature from a text file ?13:32
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chem|stalterego: anything to test yet?13:57
alteregochem|st: wrt?14:00
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chem|stalterego: columbus14:02
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chem|stalterego: or anything else worth testing (forgot what the other thing you are after was14:03
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admiral0hello people14:09
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djszapiZogG_laptop: so have you tried that mounter?15:09
djszapior anybody?15:09
djszapiI would be interested in feedback, although I have tons of cycling computers already, unfortunately.15:09
djszapialso, how do those applications work? Do they use gsm data for this, or more accurate stuff, like the wireless cycling computers?15:10
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khertanZogG_laptop: ping16:29
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khertanZogG_laptop: ping ?18:01
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djszapikhertan: he does not like you =)18:02
khertandjszapi: but he answer on twitter :)18:02
khertandjszapi: just that he use his n9xx to do it :)18:03
khertannot the laptop18:03
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: pong18:14
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i don't like anybody =)18:14
djszapiZogG_laptop: and nobody likes you :p18:16
* djszapi runs18:16
khertanoh my the latence :)18:25
khertanZogG_laptop: ping18:25
khertanwhat did you mean by "better to add «add» or «post» button. as well hebrew and russian are not posted(just replaced with NULL." ?18:26
khertani didn't understand18:26
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khertanOh ... i see ... only [a-z][A-Z] are allowed for a title as some filesystem didn't accept utf-818:27
khertanso if you put cyrrilic in the first line of a note (which is use as the title and the filename) the result is a NULL title ?18:27
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: i typed in russian and hebrew to test, and that refreshed and in post there was only english18:30
khertanhum ... maybe an utf-8 error ...18:30
ZogG_laptopkhertan: post or add button, as it took me a while to understand than back button saves the document. you need to make save/post, separete and back is back with no changes18:30
khertani didn't agree you modify it s saved )18:31
khertanno need to save18:31
ZogG_laptopkhertan: just testing, i don't think i would need this app. wanted to vote and to vote i test =)18:31
khertanZogG_laptop: and thx for that18:31
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: than make back button as "V" as it's not logical - back is back18:31
khertanbut the transition is in the left direction, look like logic too, depends of point of view18:32
ZogG_laptopas well as you don't see it till you refresh - so i edited, went back and saw nothing, i edited again.... and all this till i tried sync button18:32
khertanbut i ll try to see if i can do something that is ok for you an me :)18:32
khertanZogG_laptop: normally, back/save ... and automatically refreshed18:33
khertanif that not the case there is a problem somewhere18:33
khertanprobably a problem with encoding18:33
khertancould you try to launch it please from term18:33
ZogG_laptopit didn't refresh, so i was confused =P that's why i told save should be separete, as if i'm confused, everyone can18:33
khertanZogG_laptop: indeed :)18:34
khertanand then enter some cyrrilic chars then push the 'Back/Save/automagicall' button18:34
ZogG_laptopyou wanna check encoding?18:34
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khertanand say me what you see in the term18:34
khertanZogG_laptop: yep, and also why it didn't auto refresh18:34
DumbleHi everyone18:35
ZogG_laptopkhertan: you are using ascii?18:35
ZogG_laptopUnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 0-6: ordinal not in range(128)18:36
khertanZogG_laptop: utf-8 but maybe i do a mistake somewhere18:36
khertanok so the problem is here18:36
khertani ll try to fix that18:36
DumbleI have a problem activating the developer mode on my N9. Every time I try, I get this error "Can't complete the download. Connection to the application provider was lost", but the internet connection via wifi on the phone works without problem, does someone know what can be wrong ?18:37
ZogG_laptopkhertan: it's not latest version i think18:37
khertando the same on 1.6 :)18:37
ZogG_laptopkhertan: - here is the output with encoding errors18:37
khertan i must go on ... to catch the train :)18:37
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khertanZogG_laptop: thx18:37
ZogG_laptopkhertan: nona problema, gonna try 1.6 and tweet18:38
khertanlol raising the error generate an error :)18:38
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khertanZogG_laptop: i mean 1.6 have the same problem no need to test18:38
ZogG_laptopkhertan: oh and there is error on close btw18:38
ZogG_laptopX Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 1018:38
ZogG_laptopand so on18:38
ZogG_laptopit's system related or app... but later, go to train =)18:39
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Dumblehum, I think I'm starting to understand : when I connect using firefox on, I get an "access denied"18:58
Dumbledoes someone have this problem ?18:59
azeem_AIUI, is not accessible to web browsers etc., just supposedly for the N918:59
Dumbleazeem_, ok, but every time I try to install developer-mode, I have connection problem with this site, and I don't have any explanation19:00
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Dumblewhat can I do so ? does anyone else has this problem ?19:06
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jpwhitingDumble: I had issues installing developer mode on an N9 before, I think I got it fixed by resetting the phone and doing all the updates before trying to install dev mode19:14
Dumbledo you have a howto ?19:15
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Dumbleyes, it's not good :s19:35
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ZogG_laptopNokia is dead already, no way back19:37
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Dumblejpwhiting, to reset you just went in "parameters" => "reset" (at the bottom) => "restore parameters" or it was more complicated ?19:39
ZogG_laptopjpwhiting: backup before reset19:40
ZogG_laptopall contacs will go off19:40
jpwhitingyes, I didn't have any contacts in my case, but yeah, I think that's what I did19:40
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DumbleI just did what I write before but it changed nothing19:43
jpwhitingincluding all the updates to PR 1.3 and such?19:49
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Lava_Croftstill no new N920:43
* Lava_Croft sobs a bit20:43
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: it's a trap20:43
Lava_CroftZogG_laptop: I have experience with gaming Nokia Care20:43
Lava_Croftlast time around I doubled my amount of N900's20:44
Lava_Croftdue to their funny burocracy20:44
Lava_CroftIt's mostly a game of patience and whining :)20:44
Lava_CroftNokia Care would be 100% better if their personell wouldn't just talk 'shit'20:45
Lava_Croftinstead of saying the N9 will arrive tomorrow, they would do better to just be honest and say it will take another month20:45
Lava_Croftand they should hire someone to empty the callback queue20:45
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ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: you can't judge as it's not this person responsible20:48
ZogG_laptopi used to make calls and be in support20:48
Lava_CroftI can judge, because this is the person that is speaking to me20:48
Lava_Croftand i've done support for years too, 1st line20:49
Lava_Croftmuch the same as this fellow20:49
Lava_Croftonly mine was at packard bell20:49
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ZogG_laptopbut sometimes if you explain to you boss that he is a fuck and it's not a way to treat customers he would smile and after will blame you on that =)20:49
Lava_Croftits not about that20:49
ZogG_laptopi hated than they made me to go around and just say not relevant stuff20:49
Lava_Croftthe actual person im speaking to might not be responsible, but that doesnt relieve him of any responsibilities:)20:50
Lava_Crofta good support guy doesnt just say out loud what his computer tells him20:50
Lava_Croftit's annoying, because its not something that happens every now and then, its just standard procedure when contacting Nokia Care via telephone20:50
Lava_Croftif i contact them publicly on facebook, i get a reply very quickly20:51
Lava_Crofti never had a callback from nokia care that was within a week20:51
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Lava_Crofti actually never had a callback, i always called back myself after a week or more20:51
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: i think it might be problem at any point though20:51
ZogG_laptopbut it doesnt matter20:51
ZogG_laptopits not the way to give the service20:52
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ZogG_laptopas there are thousands of companies and they almost same price and all, but what matters is support20:52
Lava_CroftI'm getting a bit scared, since Nokia is closing all its actual Care Point locations in the Netherlands20:53
Lava_Croftso the only way to reach em is via phone/internet20:53
Lava_Croftthis does not bode well :)20:53
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: are you from Netherlands?20:55
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ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: fuck N9, fuck Nokia, just smoke weed man and everything would be cool =)20:56
Lava_Crofteh, thats a very pre-y2k perception of NL:)20:56
Lava_Crofta harsh, right-wing wind is blowing through NL20:57
Lava_Croftwith some christian sauce20:57
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: it's not ligal for turists anymore right?20:58
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: when i come there, i'll contact you to buy me :) i need to try20:59
Lava_Croftwell, its a long story20:59
Lava_Croftbasically weed never was legal, only the law just wasnt enforced (to put it mildly)20:59
Lava_Croftthe law is enforced more and more, coffeeshops are closing and in the area of the german/belgian border (and soon entire NL) you will require a special potsmoker ID21:00
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: o_O21:00
Lava_Croftwhile potsmoking wont land you in prison here anytime soon21:00
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: and how you get one?21:00
Lava_Crofttheres still a lot of coffeeshops, no problem21:00
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: nice21:00
Lava_Croftand also, potsmoking isnt so big here21:00
ZogG_laptopi never been there21:00
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Lava_Croftpeople smoke more pot in the countries around us than in NL itself21:00
Lava_Croftwhen numbers are adjusted for amounts of inhabitants21:01
ZogG_laptopand always wanted to go for a week to smoke in a coffeeshop.21:01
Lava_Croftwell, you can still do that21:01
Lava_Croftcertainly in the bigger cities21:01
Lava_Croftbut for example, amsterdam closed down more than half of its red light district21:01
Lava_Croftto beat down criminals21:01
jabisLava_Croft: I'm much more scared about the fact that 10000 people got laid off, and part of the ~4000 cut out of Salo made a serious impact in my family (wife's mother & brother & dozens of relatives) - much more than I care for a telephone -.-21:01
ZogG_laptopred lights? is prostitution area?21:01
ZogG_laptopi don't care about it, though would like to walk there just to check out21:02
Lava_Croftand after 35 years of making everything surrounding weed half-legal, except actually GROWING it in large quantities and selling it to coffeeshgops21:02
jabisnot to make your point any less valid of course - crap service = crap service21:02
Lava_Croftthe dutch government basically created its own HUGE criminal enterprise21:02
Lava_Croftsince potgrowing and dealing pot to coffeeshops is a huge business, which is entirely handled by criminals21:02
Lava_Croftnot the petty theft types either21:02
Lava_Croftpotsmoking is awesome, but the way its arranged here in NL is not good at all21:03
Lava_Croftunless you just smoke so much pot that you dont care about the world around you:)21:03
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: i think it's better than other countries =)21:03
Lava_Croftin ways, yes21:03
Lava_Croftdutch people know more about pot and smoke it less21:03
ZogG_laptopyou can buy at in any country21:03
Lava_Croftcoffeeshops are stores, they need clients21:04
Lava_Croftso in a way, coffeeshops are a good way to regulate quality21:04
Lava_Croftand most importantly, why it was ever started in the first place21:04
Lava_Croftcoffeeshops divide drugs into hard and soft21:04
Lava_Croftvery well21:04
Lava_Crofttheres absolutely zero tolerance on other drugs in coffeeshops21:04
Lava_Croftusually, if you visit some rancid dealer somewhere, he not just sells weed21:05
Lava_Croftbut also cocaine21:05
Lava_Croftspeed, you name it21:05
Lava_Croftcoffeeshops are a valid way to seperate weed and hash from other drugs21:05
Lava_Croftthey just need to find a regulatory way of legalizing the growing of and dealing to coffeeshops of pot21:06
Lava_Croftnot going to happen anytime soon though, EU etc21:06
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: the problem that if you buy from drug dealer you never know what is inside21:08
ZogG_laptopkids buy tea mixed with chemicals or hash mixed with serious stuff =)21:09
jabisdrug market steers itself - even in the "most regulated" environment21:09
Lava_Croftfor quality, yes21:09
jabis$$$ for legitimate business income is crucial - and trafficking illegal substances grow risks, which in turn makes the goods go up in prices, which in turn makes the providee cut quality, which in turn negates the whole process21:11
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jabisso you're best of either growing your own, or just drop it21:12
ZogG_laptopillegal to smoke or grow here21:12
jabisI don't do any drugs - but the most violent one -> alcohol21:14
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ZogG_laptopjabis: do not agree on that. i think the most used by violent people is alcohol21:15
ZogG_laptopwich makes it different21:15
ZogG_laptopi got drunk and parties every friday for a long time when was teenager and never got violent as my friends did21:16
ZogG_laptopas my friends did as me9and not as my friends got violent)21:16
jabisyou clearly haven't read any statistics ^^21:16
ZogG_laptopwhat i say wouldnt be shown on statistic21:17
ZogG_laptopperson who is violent is violnet and if he is let out by alcohol, it would be the same with drugs or anything21:17
jabiseventhough alcohol isn't labeled as a drug, it still causes the most violent occurrances & deaths21:17
ZogG_laptopjabis: i think to check it you need to gather same group of people and test on them both21:18
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jabisZogG_laptop: I've worked in horeca industries - alcohol is the main devil among Finns21:20
Lava_Croftif you have some spare cash:
jabisno spare cash - our wedding day anniversary today - and my wife is sleeping x)21:22
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heymaster-laptopdjszapi_: can you help ?22:10
heymaster-laptopwith qml c++ signals22:10
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djszapi_see, that is your problem. If you say the concrete issue, we might end up somewhere...22:11
heymaster-laptopok. will try..22:11
djszapi_but I need to get some food now22:12
djszapi_after a speedy biking :-)22:12
heymaster-laptopok. so later if you can :)22:12
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: what is the problem?22:12
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heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: I have insert method in my Model class. I created sshconnect class which needed to accept fingerprint. So i have to signal QML Page from C++ to show message box.22:15
heymaster-laptopI have qmlRegiserType.22:15
heymaster-laptopAnd it looks is created few times after starup. (constructor)22:16
heymaster-laptopThe problem is what c++ don't fire qml slot22:16
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heymaster-laptopJust thinking if with QmlRegisterType class constructor is created 3 times. Maybe what's why slot is not fireing22:18
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heymaster-laptopvoid ServerListModel::insert(QString title, QString hostname, QString username, QString password, qint32 port ) { Host *host = new Host(title, hostname, username, port) ; sshsocket *socket = new sshsocket(this) ; socket->AcceptHost(host); }22:18
heymaster-laptopI'm creating sshsocket in my model class.22:19
heymaster-laptopSO I tried to use qmlregistertype. I can't set contex property later, because qml can't find that property.22:20
heymaster-laptopi'm now away. so if anyone has any suggestion. just write22:21
djszapi_20:17 < heymaster-laptop> The problem is what c++ don't fire qml slot22:23
djszapi_err... ?22:23
heymaster-laptopemit socketConnected();22:23
djszapi_you do not emit a slot, you know?22:23
heymaster-laptopfrom cpp22:23
djszapi_unsure what you mean by qml slot22:24
heymaster-laptopbecause it's qml slot22:24
heymaster-laptopIn my C++ code i have signals:  void socketConnected() ;22:24
djszapi_unsure what you mean by qml slot22:24
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heymaster-laptoponSocketConnected:{ console.log("hello world") }22:25
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heymaster-laptopif i write onSocketConnected_blah_blah: instead of onSocketConnected: i get runtime error. so this fing is working22:26
heymaster-laptopok, I will be later22:26
djszapi_and why cannot you use a property?22:26
djszapi_with notify?22:26
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heymaster-laptopdjszapi_: i have two seperate object ServerListModel and sshconnect. sshconnect is created by ServerListModel22:27
heymaster-laptopSo i need to save context variable and use property with notify22:28
heymaster-laptopThe problem i need to set property i main.cpp22:28
heymaster-laptopBut i creating sshconnect class in ServerListModel22:28
djszapi_I think you should re-visit your software design.22:29
heymaster-laptopok later will talk22:29
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ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: sorry, i was out, djszapi_ helped you right?22:47
ZogG_laptopi get signals from c++ to qml22:47
ZogG_laptopbut not other way around22:48
ZogG_laptopi send functions from qml though22:48
ZogG_laptopso you can trigger that22:48
djszapi_rzr: so where is your vaporware rpi?22:50
ZogG_laptopno news about my rpi =\22:54
rzrsomewhere but not home22:54
rzri donno if any other French did recieve it ?22:55
djszapi_rzr: well, be optimist22:55
djszapi_you did not have to pay 75 US dollars yet for tax22:55
rzranyway I am a bit off harmy those days22:56
rzri plan to get it back in a few weeks22:56
rzrso what are latest major news ?22:57
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djszapi_rzr: I have just had a very good dinner22:57
rzrwhat kind of food ? irish lamb22:57
djszapi_nope, indian, and vegetarian as usual ;>22:58
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rzrindian food is decent22:58
rzras long as you dont eat this everyday...22:59
djszapi_I do.22:59
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Khertan_n950An other bad news23:29
heymaster-laptopdjszapi_: so have to make app ? :)23:30
petterithere was already news that nokia is selling the whole qt:
djszapi_Khertan_n950: we saw that 20 hours ago23:32
djszapi_but it is not unexpected anyway23:32
Khertan_n950yep i know not unexpected and i'm late but still bad news23:33
djszapi_yes, it was bad news back then23:33
djszapi_it is the matter of time, mostly23:33
Khertan_n950lol i like the end of the news at phoronix where they hope Intel or lf continue with Qt23:35
Khertan_n950and not digia23:35
Khertan_n950Intel and Sticker seller foundation23:36
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djszapi_*PLEASE* just not Intel!23:37
Khertan_n950djszapi: i agree23:38
Khertan_n950and not the Linux foundation too !23:38
djszapi_we agreed upon the Qt Foundation23:39
djszapi_at QtCS23:39
Khertan_n950yeah but you know a framework targetting desktop and mobile with so few mobile target23:40
Khertan_n950no hope for a mass market Qt devicwe23:40
djszapi_you can essentially say this about any framework23:40
djszapi_1-2 targets23:41
alteregoThere's still RIM23:41
Khertan_n950indeed except that the target have bigger audiance23:41
alteregoThe N9 was a mass market device.23:41
alteregoThe N900 did pretty well to all things considering23:41
Khertan_n950alterego: 'was'23:41
alteregoAnd there's also Jolla round the corner.23:41
Khertan_n950'n900' was too23:41
Khertan_n950bb10 and jolla isn t there23:42
Khertan_n950qt for next billions ... where is ot ?23:42
Khertan_n950i see objc/cocoa for billion, dalvik for the rest23:43
Khertan_n950close product / and crappy fw23:43
Khertan_n950where is gnu linux again from this market ... excluded again23:44
Khertan_n950we can still hope for 1% of market share with jolla or bb1023:44
djszapi_let us believe in rim...23:45
djszapi_they need to succeed23:45
alteregoBB10 isn't linux23:45
alteregoIt's QNX with Qt on top23:45
djszapi_that would be a win for qt, rim, kde, etc23:45
Khertan_n950alterego: oh craps23:46
Khertan_n950hope 0.1% with jolla so23:46
tehdelybb10 = qt?23:47
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tehdelyINFO: Profile_id: 123:47
tehdelyINFO: Compare with old snapshot: 20120731-164828-68423:47
tehdelyhow did that wind up in my buffer23:47
tehdelyapologies :)23:47
alteregoWho carlol23:47
alteregoKhertan_n950: anyway, who cares about market share, as long as Jolla is successful and able to stay that way, I don't care how popular they are.23:47
alteregoThey just need to get to a point of profitability and sustainability.23:48
djszapi_tehdely: hehe23:48
petteri don't think jolla can be successfull if they bet on qt23:48
Khertan_n950alterego: i need a little profitability for selling apps23:48
alteregoKhertan_n950: fair point23:48
alteregoWith Qt you can target iOS, Android, Jolla & BB10 ;)23:49
Khertan_n950alterego: no market, can t sell code23:49
alteregoAnyway, I'm not much of an app developer. I prefer platforms :)23:49
alteregoI want to see people move away from "apps" their just lame.23:49
Khertan_n950alterego: ahahahahhahahahahah expcet that you need a jailbreaked phone for iphone and modify many things to get it running on android23:49
Khertan_n950alterego: didn t care i sell the service23:50
ZogG_laptopjonni: what is the name of the port you made with virtual kbd support?23:50
Khertan_n950alterego: and if i didn t sell code for mobile, will come back to sell code for desktop23:51
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Khertan_n950just that i prefer doing mobile devel, limited ressource, more challenge a bit like the old time with our 8Mhz cpu and 512kb of memory23:52
Khertan_n950where optimization, clear and maintainable code matter23:52
petteri harhar, all the mobile environments hide that fact pretty well23:53
Khertan_n950petteri code in python :)23:53
petteriKhertan_n950: that is tight :P23:53
Khertan_n950today the desktop devel industry is just a job of taking the more fw that you can ... do some link and package the things23:54
jonniZogG_laptop: you mean for the vnc?23:55
Khertan_n950petteri well thinked algo, and clear ux matters23:55
djszapi_platform is not much of a value without apps23:56
djszapi_without *tons* of apps.23:56
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Khertan_n950djszapi: hum ???23:56
Khertan_n950hum ... how was iPhone at the beginning23:57
Khertan_n950compared to other plateforme23:57
Khertan_n950none apps just webapps23:57
Khertan_n950and android23:57
Khertan_n950i think it s require a company which will believe in his Os23:58
Khertan_n950and 3 or 4 years23:58
Khertan_n950look at android 1 ... :)23:58
djszapi_we are *not* at the beginning23:59
Khertan_n950android wasnt too23:59

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