| azeem | if it's a default package, they might be liberal with pacakge dependencies | 00:00 |
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| mystin | looks like it's part of the base system | 00:00 |
| mystin | nokia drive is *pure* qml?? | 00:05 |
| djszapi_ | what do you mean by pure qml? | 00:06 |
| mystin | it doesn't depend on some sort of compiled nokia-drive package | 00:06 |
| mystin | the whole thing is qml and javascript? | 00:06 |
| mystin | that's amazing, if so. | 00:07 |
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| * mystin rtfs | 00:12 | |
| mystin | hrm. | 00:19 |
| mystin | There is a Guidance component which has a navigateRoute method which sounds useful, but it's not defined anywhere... so I assume it's in MapsPlugin, whatever that is | 00:19 |
| azeem | mystin: no, there's /usr/bin/drive | 00:23 |
| azeem | the code is C, the UI is QML AIUI | 00:23 |
| mystin | not for me there isn't? | 00:23 |
| azeem | drive-qml? | 00:24 |
| mystin | ah, drive-qml :) | 00:24 |
| azeem | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85353 | 00:24 |
| azeem | for some community mods on the QML | 00:24 |
| mystin | iteresting | 00:26 |
| mystin | I can't for the life of me find anything in the QML that does the speech stuff, though, so I think that's either in the compiled app or in some other library I haven't found | 00:27 |
| * azeem remembers he copied the QML to his notebook and takes a look | 00:28 | |
| azeem | mystin: grep for voice, not speech | 00:30 |
| mystin | yeah, there's plenty of stuff to download new voices | 00:30 |
| mystin | but I can't find anything that actually *uses* the voice stuff to speak some text | 00:30 |
| mystin | unless I'm missing it | 00:30 |
| azeem | yeah, it could well be that this is in the core | 00:31 |
| azeem | the actual routing etc. is as well | 00:31 |
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| gabriel9 | do anyone know what component is used in Contacts for fields? | 00:45 |
| gabriel9 | some of them have buttons on side | 00:45 |
| gabriel9 | :D they are buttons | 00:46 |
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| gabriel9 | row in columns or columns in rows :D | 01:15 |
| gabriel9 | that is the question :) | 01:15 |
| pa | rows in columns :) | 01:18 |
| pa | but i realized rows suck in qml | 01:18 |
| pa | (depending what u wanna do, ofc) | 01:19 |
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| robertjw | is it possible to run multiple terminal instances on the n9? | 05:25 |
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| Oni^ | install screen? | 05:54 |
| Elleo | robertjw: run "meego-terminal -n &" | 05:58 |
| Elleo | (or install screen/tmux) | 05:58 |
| robertjw | perfect | 05:58 |
| robertjw | ok, one more... can I manually create a launcher to run a shell script | 06:02 |
| Elleo | sure, just create a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications | 06:02 |
| robertjw | perfect. many thanks! | 06:03 |
| Elleo | no worries :) | 06:03 |
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| Oni^ | does ~/.local/share/applications also work? | 06:03 |
| Elleo | not sure | 06:03 |
| Elleo | I guess it depends on if tracker monitors it or not | 06:04 |
| Elleo | (for updating the launcher) | 06:04 |
| Oni^ | well that were all users made folders are | 06:05 |
| Oni^ | or .folder | 06:05 |
| Elleo | my advice would be to just give it a try and find out | 06:05 |
| robertjw | I'm really starting to love this N9/harmattan. It's much more "gnu" than android. | 06:11 |
| Elleo | just tested and it does work there | 06:11 |
| Elleo | also seems that's used for defining the quicklaunch icons too | 06:11 |
| Elleo | robertjw: yeah, it's nice being able to develop with lots of standard foss tools and libraries | 06:13 |
| robertjw | just modified my terminal launcher to give it multiple launch behavior. try doing that in under a minute with android. | 06:15 |
| Elleo | :) | 06:18 |
| Elleo | one thing you might want to watch out for is that you need to be careful editing files that have been installed by packages; if they have aegis (the security framework on the system) signatures and you change them the device will lock you out until you reflash | 06:19 |
| Elleo | so if you modify/replace some executable you might find yourself with a bit of trouble | 06:20 |
| robertjw | do we have a list of monitored files? | 06:21 |
| Elleo | well each package has its own manifest | 06:21 |
| Elleo | I'm not sure what file types gets given signatures by default | 06:22 |
| Elleo | might just be executables and libraries | 06:22 |
| Elleo | there's probably more details on the wiki, it's a problem I've typically just avoided | 06:23 |
| robertjw | i must have touched something yesterday, since I did get that (punishing) behavior | 06:23 |
| Elleo | you can also disable aegis altogether if you find it too restrictive by flashing the openmode kernel (voids warranties, etc.) | 06:23 |
| robertjw | oh now you have my interest | 06:23 |
| robertjw | searching openmode kernel | 06:24 |
| Elleo | there's also inception which allows you to install packages with full aegis permissions, which is a slightly different solution | 06:24 |
| Elleo | wouldn't help with stopping you getting locked out, but it allows you to install packages and give them full control over the system | 06:24 |
| Elleo | whilst still retaining aegis | 06:24 |
| robertjw | aegis sounds a lot like selinux | 06:25 |
| robertjw | which i normally disable immediately | 06:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | robertjw: quick way to check if the file is protected | 06:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | grep filename /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist | 06:28 |
| Elleo | ah, cool | 06:29 |
| robertjw | i'm seeing various openmode kernels. is there a prefered one compatible with pr1.3 | 06:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | robertjw: just use inception | 06:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | of course, i'm not exactly objective :p | 06:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but open mode is a can of worms | 06:29 |
| Elleo | robertjw: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.3/openmode-kernel/ <-- that's a pr1.3 kernel | 06:30 |
| Elleo | but bear in mind that I've never done anything with openmode and couldn't possibly say how safe it is | 06:30 |
| robertjw | well, i'm checked out with the flasher in case it doesn't work out, and I don't have a lot of time invested in this phone yet | 06:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | robertjw: to be clear, "open mode" is a mode that the phone can be put in | 06:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not a particular kernel | 06:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can go open mode with the regular kernel | 06:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but a lot of people here by "open mode" mean the kernel elleo linked | 06:31 |
| robertjw | so, it is possible to disable aegis with the regular kernel? | 06:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no, you can't disable aegis, period | 06:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | at least in a way that's permanent and keeps everything working | 06:32 |
| robertjw | not even with a custom kernel | 06:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, the custom kernel elleo linked comments out the aegis access checks | 06:32 |
| Elleo | aegis still exists with the openmode kernel but it stops it from being able to lock you out | 06:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the inception approach is better | 06:32 |
| robertjw | searching inception | 06:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | note that the website is down because one of my contacts let the domain lapse | 06:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | use the thread on talk.maemo.org | 06:33 |
| Elleo | also, you should certainly listen to itsnotabigtruck over me on this sort of thing ;) | 06:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 06:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (i wrote inception so that's why i keep pushing it :p) | 06:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | robertjw ^ | 06:35 |
| robertjw | I suspected as much. :) | 06:35 |
| robertjw | reading your 0.2.5 release notes, sounds interesting | 06:36 |
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| CreamyG31338 | yeah it's better than open mode for most people | 06:52 |
| CreamyG31338 | some developers and power users may prefer an open kernel, but its not as easy to get working 100% | 06:53 |
| CreamyG31338 | i'm sure one of them will be along shortly to inform u what a terrible hack inception is | 06:53 |
| CreamyG31338 | but fact is the security flaws are there in open mode too, they have no point | 06:53 |
| robertjw | well on the subject of security, i have never felt "secure" placing my computer or handset in the trusted hands of a vendor. i only feel secure when i have full control of my machine. | 06:55 |
| robertjw | that's why all my computers run linux, and each is verifiably secure | 06:56 |
| robertjw | </soapbox> | 06:56 |
| CreamyG31338 | yeah u gotta stick to open source and compile your own stuff to be 100% secure, and even then, who knows what flaws are in the OS | 06:57 |
| CreamyG31338 | or the apps | 06:57 |
| CreamyG31338 | u are mostly secure at least | 06:57 |
| CreamyG31338 | always some smart hacker has a way in :P | 06:57 |
| robertjw | <soapbox> and that's why i'm spending time with my new n9 so i can secure it </soapbox> | 06:57 |
| CreamyG31338 | well it's definitely more secure than android/ios just because nobody targets us :) | 06:58 |
| robertjw | but you know that the n9 does phone home | 06:58 |
| robertjw | in an encrypted dialog | 06:58 |
| robertjw | i was not happy to see those packets | 06:59 |
| CreamyG31338 | once or often? | 06:59 |
| robertjw | on a regular basis | 07:00 |
| robertjw | run tcpdump on your wifi connection or on the phonet0 interface and you will see the same traffic | 07:00 |
| CreamyG31338 | and u had pr 1.2? one would hope thats a bug | 07:00 |
| CreamyG31338 | pretty lame if not | 07:00 |
| robertjw | i have pr1.3 | 07:01 |
| robertjw | on the plus side, you would not even have the capability to monitor so closely in an android or especially ios environment | 07:02 |
| CreamyG31338 | yeah it's suspicious but nokia doesn't scare me too much. american companies do. | 07:02 |
| robertjw | i agree | 07:03 |
| CreamyG31338 | or chinese :P | 07:03 |
| robertjw | if i have to trust any vendor, nokia would be on the top of my list. but i'd rather trust only myself. | 07:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | robertjw: the phonet0 interface is the phone communicating with the modem | 07:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pretty sure you'll get all sorts of nonsense that doesn't have to do with data transmissions | 07:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you see dodgy stuff on the wifi or gprs interfaces, see if you can identify precisely what it actually is | 07:20 |
| robertjw | yes, but if you compare the encrypted strings to what you capture on wlan0 you will find them to be the same | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "encrypted strings" could easily be perfectly legitimate traffic that you don't understand | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | esp if you're going off of tcpdump console output | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and not transferring to a pc and loading into wireshark | 07:20 |
| robertjw | quite true, i'm just looking for answers | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try doing tcpdump in write mode to a pcap file | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | scp over the file and load into wireshark | 07:21 |
| robertjw | i did transfer to wireshark for analysis | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so what protocol/port is the suspect traffic and where's it communicating with | 07:21 |
| robertjw | just looking at the raw tcpdump packets is not too interesting | 07:21 |
| robertjw | i can give you the details | 07:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, if what you're saying is true it's a little bit worrying, but it's really easy to sound the false alarm on that stuff | 07:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that said, there's features i don't particularly like e.g. some of the gps assistance stuff | 07:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that it doesn't give you much of a choice regarding adding an ovi account | 07:23 |
| robertjw | i'm not intending to sound an alarm, i'm only saying that i observed encrypted traffic on an otherwise idle handset. the analysis of that data deserves further work. | 07:25 |
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| robertjw | one example packet to 157.55.130.147 contained a 288 byte encrypted string | 07:30 |
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| Elleo | that's a microsoft ip, do you have any of the outlook syncing stuff or a microsoft imap account or anything setup? | 07:32 |
| robertjw | also observed encrypted handset originated traffic to 157.55.235.154 | 07:32 |
| Elleo | or possibly skype | 07:32 |
| robertjw | skype was running | 07:33 |
| Elleo | that'll probably be it then | 07:33 |
| robertjw | good work, i'll repeat the test with skype turned off | 07:33 |
| robertjw | i bet you are right | 07:33 |
| Elleo | you could also try doing some more activity inside skype and see if the amount of data being sent increases dramatically | 07:34 |
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| robertjw | and skype would be justifiably encrypted | 07:34 |
| robertjw | just verified that the encrypted traffic i was seeing was from skype. with skype disabled, the phone looks clean. i'll do an overnight capture to verify. | 08:05 |
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| tehdely | so i discovered today that track n protect doesn twork | 08:05 |
| tehdely | i tried to locate my phone, because i was worried i had left it at the bank | 08:06 |
| tehdely | eventually found it on my desk | 08:06 |
| tehdely | sure enough it had the cryptic sms that TnP sends to the phone | 08:06 |
| tehdely | but the TnP software never picked up the sms and did anything with it | 08:06 |
| tehdely | is there some daemon that's supposed to be running? | 08:06 |
| tehdely | hmm... /usr/bin/tnpd is running | 08:14 |
| tehdely | i sent them a support msg | 08:14 |
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| CreamyG31338 | i think they stopped supporting the n9 after pr 1.2 or something | 08:39 |
| CreamyG31338 | lazy company | 08:40 |
| tehdely | well then they should not have taken my money | 08:43 |
| tehdely | because i signed up after i upgraded to pr13 | 08:43 |
| tehdely | 1.3 rather | 08:43 |
| tehdely | the tnp package was upgraded in pr1.3 so that doesn't quite make sense | 08:44 |
| tehdely | but anyhow i contacted support so we will see what (if anything) they say | 08:44 |
| CreamyG31338 | i don't think they replied to me... what was that company called? | 08:45 |
| CreamyG31338 | k... | 08:46 |
| tehdely | Klomptek | 08:46 |
| CreamyG31338 | looks like i got a reply in 5 days from them but i didn't follow up after that | 08:47 |
| tehdely | what did their reply say? | 08:47 |
| CreamyG31338 | on march 26 | 08:47 |
| tehdely | did you have the same issue I'm having | 08:47 |
| tehdely | where the phone gets the sms but does nothing | 08:47 |
| CreamyG31338 | they asked me to send a log and what fw version i had | 08:47 |
| CreamyG31338 | yeah same problem, the sms was not processed by their app, i asked if it's broken, they asked for more details 5 days later. i didn't reply though. | 08:48 |
| CreamyG31338 | anyways that's pretty terrible support if i emailed them wednesday and they replied sunday. | 08:50 |
| CreamyG31338 | good luck :) | 08:50 |
| tehdely | heh, thanks | 08:50 |
| tehdely | it's alright | 08:50 |
| tehdely | i'm used to Nokia's level of support | 08:50 |
| tehdely | they've set the bar pretty low | 08:50 |
| CreamyG31338 | yeah lol | 08:50 |
| CreamyG31338 | i hope its not broken/unsupported | 08:50 |
| tehdely | i had a downright kafkaesque experience w/ Nokia on my E72 | 08:50 |
| tehdely | Mail for Exchange wouldn't work with Zimbra | 08:51 |
| tehdely | they sent me this giant questionnaire to fill out with all these details of mye xchange sever | 08:51 |
| tehdely | and there was no way to send the questionnaire back to them | 08:51 |
| tehdely | if you replied to them, your reply would bounce | 08:51 |
| tehdely | and if you pasted it into their "contact me" form, it would silently truncate 95% of what you sent them | 08:51 |
| tehdely | and it took weeks of arguing with their agents on the phone to finally admit that they had never even gotten my reply | 08:51 |
| tehdely | one of their support guys begrudgingly opened a gmail account just so i could email him the answers to the questionnaire... that he'd sent me | 08:51 |
| tehdely | :) | 08:51 |
| tehdely | and after a month of just getting through the process of explaining to them what exchange server i used, i got the answer i was expecting anyway which is "we don't support that" | 08:52 |
| CreamyG31338 | yeah... big companies suck. but so do small ones. aghhh | 08:53 |
| tehdely | it was actually better than that... i got ahold of some canadian guy who actually had contact with the symbian devs, who was able to confirm that not only was it a known issue but they had no | 08:53 |
| tehdely | intention of fixing it | 08:53 |
| tehdely | i think that was the second month :) | 08:53 |
| tehdely | yeah, true | 08:53 |
| tehdely | however my experiences with Nokia are with a company that is downright hostile to American customers | 08:53 |
| CreamyG31338 | yeah exchange seems like some holy grail nobody can get right | 08:53 |
| tehdely | i have no idea if that has changed now that they are legitimately trying to enter the US market w/ LUMIA | 08:53 |
| CreamyG31338 | not even wp7 does it (i think) | 08:53 |
| tehdely | but at the time, i was an unwanted afterthought, treated contemptuously | 08:54 |
| tehdely | this was with a NAM phone, too :) | 08:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: agreed re hostile | 08:56 |
| CreamyG31338 | i'm praying the windows tablets that have intel cpu will be good enough i never need another moblile app | 08:56 |
| CreamyG31338 | cuz i'm really sick of everything being unsupported i want to do | 08:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe they'd be doing better if they hadn't ignored one of the largest markets for expensive phones | 08:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for god knows how many years | 08:56 |
| CreamyG31338 | i dunno, i was happy with s60 smartphone > n900 > n9 | 08:57 |
| CreamyG31338 | those first two were bricks though and nobody else i know would buy them | 08:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 08:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | night | 08:59 |
| CreamyG31338 | l8r | 08:59 |
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| djszapi_ | Venemo_N9: sup | 10:29 |
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| Venemo_N9 | djszapi_, heading for work :) | 10:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | anyone knows any bicycle holdings for n9? | 10:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: did you bought any? | 10:33 |
| unreal- | ZogG_laptop: i bought an ajustable bike holder on ebay | 10:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | unreal-: is it good ? and is it good for n9? | 10:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | unreal-: 2 things are important: 1) it wouldn't fall down, 2) phone will not fall down | 10:34 |
| unreal- | let me see if i can find the reference in my ebat mails :) | 10:34 |
| unreal- | ebay | 10:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | and less important, is it made for n9 and you can reach all buttons =) | 10:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | unreal-: but you got it already? | 10:35 |
| Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, I prefer to mill out a block of aluminium and make screw bars on top | 10:35 |
| Hurrian | universal, and guaranteed not to ever, ever slip out | 10:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: homemade? | 10:35 |
| Hurrian | yup | 10:35 |
| Hurrian | have one made at a machine shop if you don't have a CNC | 10:35 |
| unreal- | ZogG_laptop: http://cgi.ebay.fr/ME-050-PB-B01-PDA-Smartphone-Universal-Bicycle-Handlebar-Mount-/260996253297?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3cc496c671#ht_500wt_971 | 10:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: i have no tools, no time, and no exp in buying materials =) Though when i tried to DYI i always was good at it =) | 10:36 |
| unreal- | it's quite tough | 10:36 |
| Hurrian | grab a block of aluminium 5mm larger in every dimension, mill out space for N9 with rubber case, then drill holes for long screws (thumb screws?) on upper size | 10:37 |
| Hurrian | s/size/side/ | 10:37 |
| unreal- | Hurrian: no chance of it slipping out | 10:37 |
| unreal- | those springy brackets hold nice and tight | 10:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: pictures and instruction with pictures would be nice =P | 10:37 |
| Hurrian | unreal, ah, thought the brackets screw on. | 10:38 |
| Hurrian | the addition of the spring is nice, and I bet with the rubber case on the N9 won't slip off | 10:38 |
| unreal- | no chance it would slip, with ou without rubber case | 10:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: i don't use case btw | 10:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | it ugly with it :P | 10:41 |
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| ZogG_laptop | or let's say more beautiful without | 10:41 |
| unreal- | also let's say the case leave marks on the paint of the phone which are hard to remove | 10:41 |
| unreal- | the only problem with the n9 is that it is like a bar of soap | 10:42 |
| unreal- | i would not trust myself handling it if i'm drunk :-) | 10:43 |
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| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: does bot have option to leave a msg? (not thru chanserver but bot itself) | 10:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | unreal-: so you wouldn't go to prison with n9 you say | 10:45 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: yes, my pocket | 10:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: :P | 10:46 |
| Hurrian | unreal-, black N9 here, only problem is the dust ;) | 10:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9 here , no problem with dust | 10:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | have few scratches on screen but you can see then only in certain angles | 10:52 |
| djszapi_ | unreal-: ZogG_laptop why is this useful? | 10:52 |
| djszapi_ | you can see a bike app permanently? | 10:52 |
| djszapi_ | if you assemble this in front of you, or why? | 10:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | as well few small scratches on body, but not really that important. i just have it for a long time, so i don't really that care about that. it looks good anyway =) | 10:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: bike app, change songs. I hope to see the bike app with speedometer and all the ingo | 10:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | info* | 10:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: Hurrian unreal- http://kibergus.su/?q=gallery&g2_itemId=234 | 10:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | he made as well hardware speedometer afaik for n900. | 10:56 |
| Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, that's nice | 10:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | and he has app | 10:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://kibergus.su/en/node/46 | 10:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | he never finished it afaik | 10:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | i rememeber reading about it even when i had n900 =) | 10:58 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: unreal- would you like app for n9 like that? | 10:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | though sport tracker has similar functions | 11:00 |
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| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kit-Resistant-Bicycle-Motorbike-Smartphone/dp/B005OIDIAC/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1343808016&sr=8-10 | 11:01 |
| djszapi_ | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Arkon-SM432-Bicycle-Motorcycle-Smartphone/dp/B004M8ST4A/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1343808016&sr=8-5 | 11:02 |
| djszapi_ | I might buy one for trying out | 11:02 |
| djszapi_ | but I have tons of cycling computers already | 11:02 |
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| Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, GPS-based distance, compass, logger and pedometer(?) in one app would be boss | 11:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: i can try to port his work to qml and harmattan. but not sure | 11:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | what is pedometer? | 11:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: i want cool mount, with connection to wheels for power =) | 11:06 |
| Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, battery charging pins on phone bottom + battery charged from dynamo? | 11:08 |
| Hurrian | i'm in. | 11:08 |
| Hurrian | *external battery | 11:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: yup, dinamo. but i think you can buy ne for android phone and it would work with n9 (microusb both and same voltage ± | 11:09 |
| Hurrian | even though the USB port on the N9 is extra-extra reinforced, I'm still scarred by the N900's USB port fiasco | 11:09 |
| flux | has anyone broken the N9 usb port? | 11:12 |
| Hurrian | flux, no reports yet | 11:13 |
| flux | thought so | 11:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | only the cover i think | 11:13 |
| Hurrian | i'm not that surprised, usb port is covered by plastic which holds against chassis | 11:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: that's why i dont have n900 anymore =P | 11:13 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jreznik hello | 11:15 |
| jreznik | ZogG_laptop: hi :) | 11:15 |
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| Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, that blows. I still have my N900 here as my occasional web browsing and ARM-linux fiddling machine | 11:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: i want to try to connect wires to board and use it with power =) but i'm affraid i wouldn't find all parts as i didn't reassembled befored moved to new appartment, so not sure if all parts there | 11:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | maximum i'll give screen and parts to damagedslpine (waze port), as he needs some and i hope MohammadAG will be able to give me his extra | 11:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | i want to finish xmms2 client i started to write | 11:19 |
| Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, IIRC you only need board and screen to use it | 11:19 |
| Hurrian | I guess you can guess keyboard layout | 11:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | guess keyboard? what do you mean? | 11:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | i can type blind on PC in 2 lang with blank keyboard(no letters) but still mostly i need to look at keyboard | 11:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | for example i have no russian layout on keyboard but i look at keyboard anyway | 11:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | i dunno why | 11:21 |
| chem|st | o/ | 11:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: sup | 11:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: unreal- http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Shimano-Dynamo-DH-3D71-Front-Hub-32h-Center-Lock-Disc-Commuter-Bike-/170885382135?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27c98ffff7#ht_2479wt_1165 | 11:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | looks nice and cheap | 11:23 |
| chem|st | still looking for gstreamer solutions | 11:23 |
| Elleo | ZogG_laptop: nokia sells a little bottle dynamo that works pretty well for charging phones if that's what you're after | 11:24 |
| Elleo | needs a small an adapter for the n9, but otherwise works fine | 11:24 |
| Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, 6V@0.5A? | 11:24 |
| Hurrian | pretty nice. | 11:24 |
| Elleo | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-DC-14-Charger-CR-124-Holder/dp/B00475BGHA | 11:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: i think i saw it before, but that one is inside one, no need to take it out while parking outside | 11:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | it goes inside wheel as i understand | 11:26 |
| Elleo | yeah, the one you linked is a hub dynamo | 11:26 |
| Elleo | more effort to fit though | 11:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | what concerns me is underpowere | 11:27 |
| Elleo | I don't take my bottle dynamo off, but I live in a very low crime area | 11:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | is it healthy to connect when it's not enuf power | 11:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: once i discovered that someone stoled rubbers from my breaks. i was riding it when discovered =) | 11:28 |
| Elleo | :/ | 11:28 |
| Elleo | I had someone steal my saddle once when I lived somewhere else | 11:28 |
| Elleo | had to ride 10 miles home standing up :P | 11:28 |
| Elleo | now I secure my saddle to the bike with a tiny extra lock | 11:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: few months ago i had my motorcycle lock(i have one on my bike as they safer) cut inside the building on second flloor | 11:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | good someone saw it and scared guy so he ran away | 11:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | and i have 2 bikes stolen from me =\ | 11:32 |
| Elleo | that sucks | 11:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeap | 11:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | i keep it home and trying not to leave outside | 11:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: any news on mafw plugin for echo? | 11:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw would it send signature and how much traffic is it? | 11:33 |
| Elleo | ZogG_laptop: nope, the echoprint folks still haven't released a mechanism for publically submitting fingerprints | 11:34 |
| Elleo | ZogG_laptop: depends on the length of the song, but only a few kbs | 11:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: hope there would be plugin for xmms2 as i have about 300 gibs music =P | 11:34 |
| Elleo | ZogG_laptop: well when there's a submission mechanism I'll be writing a script for general linux machines that can process large batches | 11:35 |
| Elleo | rather than waiting for you to play stuff | 11:35 |
| Elleo | so you can just set it loose on a whole directory | 11:35 |
| Elleo | as I want to get all the music on libre.fm in the fingerprint database | 11:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: you are dev of libre.fm as well? | 11:37 |
| Elleo | I'm also considering trying to write a spotify powered fingerprinter, so it can just gradually work through everything on spotify | 11:37 |
| Elleo | ZogG_laptop: yeah | 11:37 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: cool | 11:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | spotify doesnt work in my country | 11:38 |
| Elleo | ah, that's a shame | 11:38 |
| Elleo | it sucks the way so much stuff is restricted to specific countries by silly licensing restrictions | 11:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: cool :) more honer to know you than :P | 11:38 |
| Elleo | heh | 11:38 |
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| Elleo | I really should finish my meego libre.fm radio client | 11:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: do we have harattan one? | 11:39 |
| Elleo | I wrote most of it a year ago and then got distracted and never finished it off | 11:39 |
| Elleo | ZogG_laptop: yeah, it was for harmattan | 11:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: there is scrobbler for n9 i think for last.fm at least | 11:39 |
| Elleo | ZogG_laptop: yeah, the scrobbler supports libre.fm too | 11:40 |
| Elleo | http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2011/07/02/libre-fm-radio-client-for-meego-under-development/ <-- that's the radio client I was writing | 11:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: the question does the bef0rd's one support it? as he made it with builtin accounts | 11:40 |
| Elleo | ZogG_laptop: http://store.ovi.com/content/293322?clickSource=search&pos=1 <-- this one? | 11:41 |
| Elleo | that one has accounts integration and supports libre.fm | 11:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: yes, i liked how he has account for my app in screenshot :P | 11:41 |
| Elleo | heh | 11:42 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: actually libre.fm is like last.fm right? just opensource or what's the difference? sorry never used it | 11:42 |
| Elleo | ZogG_laptop: well libre.fm focuses purely on free culture music (i.e. music you can share, modify, etc.) as well as being free software itself | 11:43 |
| Elleo | other than that its very similar to last.fm and tries to maintain api compatibility wherever possible | 11:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | all i need is to scobble my music | 11:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's a pitty the plugin for my music server doeesn't support tag edition with suggestions =) | 11:44 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Elleo: is it supported by API btw? | 11:45 |
| Elleo | is what supported by the API? | 11:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | the last.fm has a thing to correct title if needed | 11:46 |
| Elleo | ah, yeah, we don't have that yet | 11:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | does last.fm has it as API | 11:47 |
| Elleo | its part of the 2.0 scrobbling protocol, which we've only got partially implemented at the moment | 11:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | and last.m has it? | 11:47 |
| Elleo | ZogG_laptop: yeah, it's part of the last.fm API | 11:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | nice to know | 11:47 |
| Elleo | yeah, whenever you scrobble something with the 2.0 API the server can send you back corrections automatically | 11:48 |
| Elleo | rather than requiring you to look them up separately | 11:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | gonna ping the guy who wrote scrobbler for my music server (xmms2 is da best 4evar) :P | 11:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | apps4meego is online \o/ | 11:48 |
| Elleo | http://www.last.fm/api/show/track.scrobble <-- see the "corrected" attribute in the response, that tells you if that parameter has been corrected by the server (in which case your its nice if your client fixes your local tags) | 11:49 |
| Elleo | -your* | 11:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | gonna check it with scrobbler dev | 11:51 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: does ovi has repo for harmattan or how does it work? Pali (and now i) is interested | 12:15 |
| Pali | yes, how it is working? | 12:15 |
| jonni | well yes and no, you cannot depend on any of ovi store package | 12:17 |
| gabriel9|work | good day | 12:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pali: the MohammadAG's new inception | 12:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | /s/new/needs/ | 12:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | s/new/needs/ | 12:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | needs inception | 12:20 |
| jonni | as the whole repo is not exposed at any time, there is kind of temporary cache stored in device, which holds recently downloaded descriptions, and those packages can be redownloaded from commandline, but that cache is kind of fifo and after a while the token expires. | 12:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: is it osa something? | 12:23 |
| jonni | yep | 12:23 |
| Pali | this is really stupid, that you cannot depends on other app/package... | 12:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pali: cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/osa.list | 12:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | deb-exec /usr/bin/osa | 12:24 |
| Pali | this is not package system... | 12:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pali: this is the repo =) | 12:24 |
| Pali | https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-pkg/apt/commits/deb-exec | 12:25 |
| Pali | it is this ^^^ | 12:25 |
| jonni | it prevents device from malfing, if one could depend on ovi package, then there would be tons on malfs when upgrading the pr releases etc, or when free package that you depend on turns to be non-free. | 12:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pali: there is also deb http://sheerwater.co.nz/apt harmattan main but no much info about it, i think it was installed along with filemanager, so i don't add it | 12:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | i wouldn't add it | 12:27 |
| Pali | ok | 12:27 |
| Pali | jonni, and how are ovi packages updated? | 12:27 |
| jonni | Pali: ovistore client / package manager ui. | 12:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pali: added and it added as separete block - can you check? | 12:28 |
| Pali | jonni, I mean how are updated in apt level? | 12:29 |
| jonni | Pali: they are not :) | 12:29 |
| Pali | will that osa export repository with updates? | 12:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: so it tryes to sync with osa and it actually uses info per phone and installed from ovi packages right?? | 12:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i think apt-get update would trigger osa wouldn't it? otherwise, how does it show updates in app manager | 12:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'll try to check if any updates are comming soon | 12:30 |
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| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: still here? for login on apps4meego you need your other admin approval as well? or you can link meego.com account yourself? | 12:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1245862&postcount=92 | 12:33 |
| Pali | ZogG_laptop, updated page, added source packages, removed other info because that wiki page is for apt-mirror | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: need meego.com account | 12:34 |
| X-Fade | Forum is different | 12:34 |
| Pali | X-Fade, ZogG_laptop, is there deb-src repository for apps4meego | 12:35 |
| Pali | ? | 12:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: you gonna answer the thread? if not i'll just quote you there =) | 12:36 |
| Pali | X-Fade, also can you look at kernel-power-* and kernel-power-settings packages? I pushed new version of kernel-power-settings but it again missing in package interface | 12:37 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Pali: not sure i you can add his repo without inception, i think the info is needed. better ask him | 12:38 |
| Pali | ZogG_laptop, wiki apt-mirror is for backing up | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: replied | 12:38 |
| Pali | it is for creating & syncing repositories on your own server | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | Pali: Yeah, will dive in and try to find out why it doesn't do the import step | 12:39 |
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| Pali | X-Fade, ok | 12:39 |
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| Pali | ZogG_laptop, mirror.list (for apt-mirror) is not sources.list (for apt-get) | 12:43 |
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| qwazix | what is the recommended way to enable smart reflex permanently? | 12:52 |
| qwazix | the wiki redirects to kernel-power-configuration which does not mention smartreflex anywhere | 12:53 |
| qwazix | oops wrong channel | 12:54 |
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| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: apps4meego is app, you can submit the app | 12:57 |
| qwazix | ZogG_laptop: thanks, but I'm flying in 3 hours hour so it'll have to wait | 13:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: just letting you to knoow | 13:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: oh and there is rawcam icon made on forum | 13:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1245058&postcount=16 | 13:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok i need to go to | 13:02 |
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| qwazix | ZogG_laptop: bye, | 13:02 |
| qwazix | btw icon is nice but I think I'll keep the rho | 13:03 |
| qwazix | means more :) | 13:03 |
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| khertan | Morning | 13:31 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop: hello ... just got your tweet | 13:31 |
| khertan | what did you mean with the add button ? | 13:31 |
| khertan | i didn't understand | 13:31 |
| khertan | as there is already an add button in the toolbar on the left | 13:32 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop: and for load file ? an import feature from a text file ? | 13:32 |
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| chem|st | alterego: anything to test yet? | 13:57 |
| alterego | chem|st: wrt? | 14:00 |
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| chem|st | alterego: columbus | 14:02 |
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| chem|st | alterego: or anything else worth testing (forgot what the other thing you are after was | 14:03 |
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| admiral0 | hello people | 14:09 |
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| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: so have you tried that mounter? | 15:09 |
| djszapi | or anybody? | 15:09 |
| djszapi | I would be interested in feedback, although I have tons of cycling computers already, unfortunately. | 15:09 |
| djszapi | also, how do those applications work? Do they use gsm data for this, or more accurate stuff, like the wireless cycling computers? | 15:10 |
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| khertan | ZogG_laptop: ping ? | 18:01 |
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| djszapi | khertan: he does not like you =) | 18:02 |
| khertan | djszapi: but he answer on twitter :) | 18:02 |
| khertan | djszapi: just that he use his n9xx to do it :) | 18:03 |
| khertan | not the laptop | 18:03 |
| khertan | :) | 18:03 |
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| ZogG_laptop | khertan: pong | 18:14 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i don't like anybody =) | 18:14 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: and nobody likes you :p | 18:16 |
| * djszapi runs | 18:16 | |
| khertan | oh my the latence :) | 18:25 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop: ping | 18:25 |
| khertan | what did you mean by "better to add «add» or «post» button. as well hebrew and russian are not posted(just replaced with NULL." ? | 18:26 |
| khertan | i didn't understand | 18:26 |
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| khertan | Oh ... i see ... only [a-z][A-Z] are allowed for a title as some filesystem didn't accept utf-8 | 18:27 |
| khertan | so if you put cyrrilic in the first line of a note (which is use as the title and the filename) the result is a NULL title ? | 18:27 |
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| ZogG_laptop | khertan: i typed in russian and hebrew to test, and that refreshed and in post there was only english | 18:30 |
| khertan | hum ... maybe an utf-8 error ... | 18:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: post or add button, as it took me a while to understand than back button saves the document. you need to make save/post, separete and back is back with no changes | 18:30 |
| khertan | i didn't agree you modify it s saved ) | 18:31 |
| khertan | :) | 18:31 |
| khertan | no need to save | 18:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: just testing, i don't think i would need this app. wanted to vote and to vote i test =) | 18:31 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop: and thx for that | 18:31 |
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| ZogG_laptop | khertan: than make back button as "V" as it's not logical - back is back | 18:31 |
| khertan | but the transition is in the left direction, look like logic too, depends of point of view | 18:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | as well as you don't see it till you refresh - so i edited, went back and saw nothing, i edited again.... and all this till i tried sync button | 18:32 |
| khertan | but i ll try to see if i can do something that is ok for you an me :) | 18:32 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop: normally, back/save ... and automatically refreshed | 18:33 |
| khertan | if that not the case there is a problem somewhere | 18:33 |
| khertan | probably a problem with encoding | 18:33 |
| khertan | could you try to launch it please from term | 18:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | it didn't refresh, so i was confused =P that's why i told save should be separete, as if i'm confused, everyone can | 18:33 |
| khertan | /opt/khtnotes/__init__.py | 18:33 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop: indeed :) | 18:34 |
| khertan | and then enter some cyrrilic chars then push the 'Back/Save/automagicall' button | 18:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | you wanna check encoding? | 18:34 |
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| khertan | and say me what you see in the term | 18:34 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop: yep, and also why it didn't auto refresh | 18:34 |
| Dumble | Hi everyone | 18:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: you are using ascii? | 18:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 0-6: ordinal not in range(128) | 18:36 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop: utf-8 but maybe i do a mistake somewhere | 18:36 |
| khertan | :) | 18:36 |
| khertan | ok so the problem is here | 18:36 |
| khertan | thx | 18:36 |
| khertan | i ll try to fix that | 18:36 |
| Dumble | I have a problem activating the developer mode on my N9. Every time I try, I get this error "Can't complete the download. Connection to the application provider was lost", but the internet connection via wifi on the phone works without problem, does someone know what can be wrong ? | 18:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: it's not latest version i think | 18:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | 1.5 | 18:37 |
| khertan | do the same on 1.6 :) | 18:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: http://pastebin.com/bZYWq29d - here is the output with encoding errors | 18:37 |
| khertan | i must go on ... to catch the train :) | 18:37 |
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| khertan | ZogG_laptop: thx | 18:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: nona problema, gonna try 1.6 and tweet | 18:38 |
| khertan | lol raising the error generate an error :) | 18:38 |
| khertan | ouarf | 18:38 |
| khertan | mouarf | 18:38 |
| khertan | bye | 18:38 |
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| khertan | ZogG_laptop: i mean 1.6 have the same problem no need to test | 18:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: oh and there is error on close btw | 18:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10 | 18:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | and so on | 18:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's system related or app... but later, go to train =) | 18:39 |
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| Dumble | hum, I think I'm starting to understand : when I connect using firefox on downloads.maemo.nokia.com, I get an "access denied" | 18:58 |
| Dumble | does someone have this problem ? | 18:59 |
| azeem_ | AIUI, downloads.maemo.nokia.com is not accessible to web browsers etc., just supposedly for the N9 | 18:59 |
| Dumble | azeem_, ok, but every time I try to install developer-mode, I have connection problem with this site, and I don't have any explanation | 19:00 |
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| Dumble | what can I do so ? does anyone else has this problem ? | 19:06 |
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| jpwhiting | Dumble: I had issues installing developer mode on an N9 before, I think I got it fixed by resetting the phone and doing all the updates before trying to install dev mode | 19:14 |
| jpwhiting | iirc | 19:14 |
| Dumble | :s | 19:14 |
| Dumble | do you have a howto ? | 19:15 |
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| rzr | ouch | 19:26 |
| rzr | http://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/xhtqi/nokia_lays_off_qt3d_qtdeclarative_qml/ | 19:26 |
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| Dumble | yes, it's not good :s | 19:35 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Nokia is dead already, no way back | 19:37 |
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| Dumble | jpwhiting, to reset you just went in "parameters" => "reset" (at the bottom) => "restore parameters" or it was more complicated ? | 19:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | jpwhiting: backup before reset | 19:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | all contacs will go off | 19:40 |
| jpwhiting | yes, I didn't have any contacts in my case, but yeah, I think that's what I did | 19:40 |
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| Dumble | I just did what I write before but it changed nothing | 19:43 |
| jpwhiting | including all the updates to PR 1.3 and such? | 19:49 |
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| Lava_Croft | still no new N9 | 20:43 |
| * Lava_Croft sobs a bit | 20:43 | |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: it's a trap | 20:43 |
| Lava_Croft | ZogG_laptop: I have experience with gaming Nokia Care | 20:43 |
| Lava_Croft | last time around I doubled my amount of N900's | 20:44 |
| Lava_Croft | due to their funny burocracy | 20:44 |
| Lava_Croft | It's mostly a game of patience and whining :) | 20:44 |
| Lava_Croft | Nokia Care would be 100% better if their personell wouldn't just talk 'shit' | 20:45 |
| Lava_Croft | instead of saying the N9 will arrive tomorrow, they would do better to just be honest and say it will take another month | 20:45 |
| Lava_Croft | and they should hire someone to empty the callback queue | 20:45 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: you can't judge as it's not this person responsible | 20:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | i used to make calls and be in support | 20:48 |
| Lava_Croft | I can judge, because this is the person that is speaking to me | 20:48 |
| Lava_Croft | and i've done support for years too, 1st line | 20:49 |
| Lava_Croft | much the same as this fellow | 20:49 |
| Lava_Croft | only mine was at packard bell | 20:49 |
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| ZogG_laptop | but sometimes if you explain to you boss that he is a fuck and it's not a way to treat customers he would smile and after will blame you on that =) | 20:49 |
| Lava_Croft | its not about that | 20:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | i hated than they made me to go around and just say not relevant stuff | 20:49 |
| Lava_Croft | the actual person im speaking to might not be responsible, but that doesnt relieve him of any responsibilities:) | 20:50 |
| Lava_Croft | a good support guy doesnt just say out loud what his computer tells him | 20:50 |
| Lava_Croft | it's annoying, because its not something that happens every now and then, its just standard procedure when contacting Nokia Care via telephone | 20:50 |
| Lava_Croft | if i contact them publicly on facebook, i get a reply very quickly | 20:51 |
| Lava_Croft | i never had a callback from nokia care that was within a week | 20:51 |
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| Lava_Croft | i actually never had a callback, i always called back myself after a week or more | 20:51 |
| Lava_Croft | :P | 20:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: i think it might be problem at any point though | 20:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | but it doesnt matter | 20:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | its not the way to give the service | 20:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | as there are thousands of companies and they almost same price and all, but what matters is support | 20:52 |
| Lava_Croft | I'm getting a bit scared, since Nokia is closing all its actual Care Point locations in the Netherlands | 20:53 |
| Lava_Croft | so the only way to reach em is via phone/internet | 20:53 |
| Lava_Croft | this does not bode well :) | 20:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: are you from Netherlands? | 20:55 |
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| Lava_Croft | yup | 20:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: fuck N9, fuck Nokia, just smoke weed man and everything would be cool =) | 20:56 |
| Lava_Croft | eh, thats a very pre-y2k perception of NL:) | 20:56 |
| Lava_Croft | a harsh, right-wing wind is blowing through NL | 20:57 |
| Lava_Croft | with some christian sauce | 20:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: it's not ligal for turists anymore right? | 20:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: when i come there, i'll contact you to buy me :) i need to try | 20:59 |
| Lava_Croft | well, its a long story | 20:59 |
| Lava_Croft | basically weed never was legal, only the law just wasnt enforced (to put it mildly) | 20:59 |
| Lava_Croft | the law is enforced more and more, coffeeshops are closing and in the area of the german/belgian border (and soon entire NL) you will require a special potsmoker ID | 21:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: o_O | 21:00 |
| Lava_Croft | while potsmoking wont land you in prison here anytime soon | 21:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: and how you get one? | 21:00 |
| Lava_Croft | theres still a lot of coffeeshops, no problem | 21:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: nice | 21:00 |
| Lava_Croft | and also, potsmoking isnt so big here | 21:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | i never been there | 21:00 |
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| Lava_Croft | people smoke more pot in the countries around us than in NL itself | 21:00 |
| Lava_Croft | when numbers are adjusted for amounts of inhabitants | 21:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | and always wanted to go for a week to smoke in a coffeeshop. | 21:01 |
| Lava_Croft | well, you can still do that | 21:01 |
| Lava_Croft | certainly in the bigger cities | 21:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | good | 21:01 |
| Lava_Croft | but for example, amsterdam closed down more than half of its red light district | 21:01 |
| Lava_Croft | to beat down criminals | 21:01 |
| jabis | Lava_Croft: I'm much more scared about the fact that 10000 people got laid off, and part of the ~4000 cut out of Salo made a serious impact in my family (wife's mother & brother & dozens of relatives) - much more than I care for a telephone -.- | 21:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | red lights? is prostitution area? | 21:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't care about it, though would like to walk there just to check out | 21:02 |
| Lava_Croft | and after 35 years of making everything surrounding weed half-legal, except actually GROWING it in large quantities and selling it to coffeeshgops | 21:02 |
| jabis | not to make your point any less valid of course - crap service = crap service | 21:02 |
| Lava_Croft | the dutch government basically created its own HUGE criminal enterprise | 21:02 |
| Lava_Croft | since potgrowing and dealing pot to coffeeshops is a huge business, which is entirely handled by criminals | 21:02 |
| Lava_Croft | not the petty theft types either | 21:02 |
| Lava_Croft | potsmoking is awesome, but the way its arranged here in NL is not good at all | 21:03 |
| Lava_Croft | unless you just smoke so much pot that you dont care about the world around you:) | 21:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: i think it's better than other countries =) | 21:03 |
| Lava_Croft | in ways, yes | 21:03 |
| Lava_Croft | dutch people know more about pot and smoke it less | 21:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | you can buy at in any country | 21:03 |
| Lava_Croft | yup | 21:04 |
| Lava_Croft | coffeeshops are stores, they need clients | 21:04 |
| Lava_Croft | so in a way, coffeeshops are a good way to regulate quality | 21:04 |
| Lava_Croft | and most importantly, why it was ever started in the first place | 21:04 |
| Lava_Croft | coffeeshops divide drugs into hard and soft | 21:04 |
| Lava_Croft | very well | 21:04 |
| Lava_Croft | theres absolutely zero tolerance on other drugs in coffeeshops | 21:04 |
| Lava_Croft | usually, if you visit some rancid dealer somewhere, he not just sells weed | 21:05 |
| Lava_Croft | but also cocaine | 21:05 |
| Lava_Croft | speed, you name it | 21:05 |
| Lava_Croft | coffeeshops are a valid way to seperate weed and hash from other drugs | 21:05 |
| Lava_Croft | they just need to find a regulatory way of legalizing the growing of and dealing to coffeeshops of pot | 21:06 |
| Lava_Croft | not going to happen anytime soon though, EU etc | 21:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: the problem that if you buy from drug dealer you never know what is inside | 21:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | kids buy tea mixed with chemicals or hash mixed with serious stuff =) | 21:09 |
| Lava_Croft | exactly | 21:09 |
| jabis | drug market steers itself - even in the "most regulated" environment | 21:09 |
| Lava_Croft | for quality, yes | 21:09 |
| jabis | $$$ for legitimate business income is crucial - and trafficking illegal substances grow risks, which in turn makes the goods go up in prices, which in turn makes the providee cut quality, which in turn negates the whole process | 21:11 |
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| jabis | so you're best of either growing your own, or just drop it | 21:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | illegal to smoke or grow here | 21:12 |
| jabis | I don't do any drugs - but the most violent one -> alcohol | 21:14 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jabis: do not agree on that. i think the most used by violent people is alcohol | 21:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | wich makes it different | 21:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | i got drunk and parties every friday for a long time when was teenager and never got violent as my friends did | 21:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | as my friends did as me9and not as my friends got violent) | 21:16 |
| jabis | you clearly haven't read any statistics ^^ | 21:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | what i say wouldnt be shown on statistic | 21:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | person who is violent is violnet and if he is let out by alcohol, it would be the same with drugs or anything | 21:17 |
| jabis | eventhough alcohol isn't labeled as a drug, it still causes the most violent occurrances & deaths | 21:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | jabis: i think to check it you need to gather same group of people and test on them both | 21:18 |
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| jabis | ZogG_laptop: I've worked in horeca industries - alcohol is the main devil among Finns | 21:20 |
| Lava_Croft | if you have some spare cash: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game | 21:20 |
| jabis | no spare cash - our wedding day anniversary today - and my wife is sleeping x) | 21:22 |
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| djszapi_ | sup | 22:04 |
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| heymaster-laptop | sup | 22:08 |
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| heymaster-laptop | djszapi_: can you help ? | 22:10 |
| heymaster-laptop | with qml c++ signals | 22:10 |
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| djszapi_ | see, that is your problem. If you say the concrete issue, we might end up somewhere... | 22:11 |
| heymaster-laptop | ok. will try.. | 22:11 |
| djszapi_ | but I need to get some food now | 22:12 |
| djszapi_ | after a speedy biking :-) | 22:12 |
| heymaster-laptop | ok. so later if you can :) | 22:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: what is the problem? | 22:12 |
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| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: I have insert method in my Model class. I created sshconnect class which needed to accept fingerprint. So i have to signal QML Page from C++ to show message box. | 22:15 |
| heymaster-laptop | I have qmlRegiserType. | 22:15 |
| heymaster-laptop | And it looks is created few times after starup. (constructor) | 22:16 |
| heymaster-laptop | The problem is what c++ don't fire qml slot | 22:16 |
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| heymaster-laptop | Just thinking if with QmlRegisterType class constructor is created 3 times. Maybe what's why slot is not fireing | 22:18 |
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| heymaster-laptop | void ServerListModel::insert(QString title, QString hostname, QString username, QString password, qint32 port ) { Host *host = new Host(title, hostname, username, port) ; sshsocket *socket = new sshsocket(this) ; socket->AcceptHost(host); } | 22:18 |
| heymaster-laptop | I'm creating sshsocket in my model class. | 22:19 |
| heymaster-laptop | SO I tried to use qmlregistertype. I can't set contex property later, because qml can't find that property. | 22:20 |
| heymaster-laptop | i'm now away. so if anyone has any suggestion. just write | 22:21 |
| heymaster-laptop | thanks | 22:21 |
| djszapi_ | 20:17 < heymaster-laptop> The problem is what c++ don't fire qml slot | 22:23 |
| djszapi_ | err... ? | 22:23 |
| heymaster-laptop | emit socketConnected(); | 22:23 |
| djszapi_ | you do not emit a slot, you know? | 22:23 |
| heymaster-laptop | from cpp | 22:23 |
| djszapi_ | unsure what you mean by qml slot | 22:24 |
| heymaster-laptop | because it's qml slot | 22:24 |
| heymaster-laptop | In my C++ code i have signals: void socketConnected() ; | 22:24 |
| djszapi_ | unsure what you mean by qml slot | 22:24 |
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| heymaster-laptop | onSocketConnected:{ console.log("hello world") } | 22:25 |
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| heymaster-laptop | if i write onSocketConnected_blah_blah: instead of onSocketConnected: i get runtime error. so this fing is working | 22:26 |
| heymaster-laptop | ok, I will be later | 22:26 |
| djszapi_ | and why cannot you use a property? | 22:26 |
| heymaster-laptop | thanks | 22:26 |
| djszapi_ | with notify? | 22:26 |
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| heymaster-laptop | djszapi_: i have two seperate object ServerListModel and sshconnect. sshconnect is created by ServerListModel | 22:27 |
| heymaster-laptop | So i need to save context variable and use property with notify | 22:28 |
| heymaster-laptop | The problem i need to set property i main.cpp | 22:28 |
| heymaster-laptop | But i creating sshconnect class in ServerListModel | 22:28 |
| djszapi_ | I think you should re-visit your software design. | 22:29 |
| heymaster-laptop | yes! | 22:29 |
| heymaster-laptop | ok later will talk | 22:29 |
| heymaster-laptop | thanks | 22:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: sorry, i was out, djszapi_ helped you right? | 22:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | i get signals from c++ to qml | 22:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | but not other way around | 22:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | i send functions from qml though | 22:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | so you can trigger that | 22:48 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: so where is your vaporware rpi? | 22:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | no news about my rpi =\ | 22:54 |
| rzr | somewhere but not home | 22:54 |
| rzr | i donno if any other French did recieve it ? | 22:55 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: well, be optimist | 22:55 |
| djszapi_ | you did not have to pay 75 US dollars yet for tax | 22:55 |
| rzr | anyway I am a bit off harmy those days | 22:56 |
| rzr | i plan to get it back in a few weeks | 22:56 |
| rzr | so what are latest major news ? | 22:57 |
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| djszapi_ | rzr: I have just had a very good dinner | 22:57 |
| rzr | what kind of food ? irish lamb | 22:57 |
| djszapi_ | nope, indian, and vegetarian as usual ;> | 22:58 |
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| rzr | indian food is decent | 22:58 |
| rzr | as long as you dont eat this everyday... | 22:59 |
| djszapi_ | I do. | 22:59 |
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| Khertan_n950 | http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-August/005467.html | 23:29 |
| Khertan_n950 | An other bad news | 23:29 |
| heymaster-laptop | djszapi_: so have to make app ? :) | 23:30 |
| petteri | there was already news that nokia is selling the whole qt: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1MTc | 23:30 |
| djszapi_ | Khertan_n950: we saw that 20 hours ago | 23:32 |
| djszapi_ | but it is not unexpected anyway | 23:32 |
| Khertan_n950 | yep i know not unexpected and i'm late but still bad news | 23:33 |
| djszapi_ | yes, it was bad news back then | 23:33 |
| djszapi_ | it is the matter of time, mostly | 23:33 |
| Khertan_n950 | indeed | 23:33 |
| Khertan_n950 | lol i like the end of the news at phoronix where they hope Intel or lf continue with Qt | 23:35 |
| Khertan_n950 | and not digia | 23:35 |
| Khertan_n950 | arf | 23:35 |
| Khertan_n950 | Intel and Sticker seller foundation | 23:36 |
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| djszapi_ | *PLEASE* just not Intel! | 23:37 |
| Khertan_n950 | djszapi: i agree | 23:38 |
| Khertan_n950 | and not the Linux foundation too ! | 23:38 |
| djszapi_ | we agreed upon the Qt Foundation | 23:39 |
| djszapi_ | at QtCS | 23:39 |
| Khertan_n950 | yeah but you know a framework targetting desktop and mobile with so few mobile target | 23:40 |
| Khertan_n950 | no hope for a mass market Qt devicwe | 23:40 |
| djszapi_ | you can essentially say this about any framework | 23:40 |
| djszapi_ | 1-2 targets | 23:41 |
| alterego | There's still RIM | 23:41 |
| Khertan_n950 | indeed except that the target have bigger audiance | 23:41 |
| alterego | The N9 was a mass market device. | 23:41 |
| alterego | The N900 did pretty well to all things considering | 23:41 |
| Khertan_n950 | alterego: 'was' | 23:41 |
| alterego | And there's also Jolla round the corner. | 23:41 |
| Khertan_n950 | 'n900' was too | 23:41 |
| Khertan_n950 | bb10 and jolla isn t there | 23:42 |
| Khertan_n950 | yet | 23:42 |
| Khertan_n950 | qt for next billions ... where is ot ? | 23:42 |
| Khertan_n950 | s/ot/it | 23:42 |
| Khertan_n950 | i see objc/cocoa for billion, dalvik for the rest | 23:43 |
| Khertan_n950 | close product / and crappy fw | 23:43 |
| Khertan_n950 | where is gnu linux again from this market ... excluded again | 23:44 |
| Khertan_n950 | we can still hope for 1% of market share with jolla or bb10 | 23:44 |
| djszapi_ | let us believe in rim... | 23:45 |
| djszapi_ | they need to succeed | 23:45 |
| alterego | BB10 isn't linux | 23:45 |
| alterego | It's QNX with Qt on top | 23:45 |
| djszapi_ | that would be a win for qt, rim, kde, etc | 23:45 |
| Khertan_n950 | alterego: oh craps | 23:46 |
| Khertan_n950 | hope 0.1% with jolla so | 23:46 |
| tehdely | bb10 = qt? | 23:47 |
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| tehdely | errgh | 23:47 |
| tehdely | how did that wind up in my buffer | 23:47 |
| tehdely | apologies :) | 23:47 |
| alterego | Who carlol | 23:47 |
| alterego | Khertan_n950: anyway, who cares about market share, as long as Jolla is successful and able to stay that way, I don't care how popular they are. | 23:47 |
| alterego | They just need to get to a point of profitability and sustainability. | 23:48 |
| djszapi_ | tehdely: hehe | 23:48 |
| petteri | don't think jolla can be successfull if they bet on qt | 23:48 |
| Khertan_n950 | alterego: i need a little profitability for selling apps | 23:48 |
| alterego | Khertan_n950: fair point | 23:48 |
| alterego | With Qt you can target iOS, Android, Jolla & BB10 ;) | 23:49 |
| Khertan_n950 | alterego: no market, can t sell code | 23:49 |
| alterego | Anyway, I'm not much of an app developer. I prefer platforms :) | 23:49 |
| alterego | I want to see people move away from "apps" their just lame. | 23:49 |
| Khertan_n950 | alterego: ahahahahhahahahahah expcet that you need a jailbreaked phone for iphone and modify many things to get it running on android | 23:49 |
| Khertan_n950 | alterego: didn t care i sell the service | 23:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: what is the name of the port you made with virtual kbd support? | 23:50 |
| Khertan_n950 | alterego: and if i didn t sell code for mobile, will come back to sell code for desktop | 23:51 |
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| Khertan_n950 | just that i prefer doing mobile devel, limited ressource, more challenge a bit like the old time with our 8Mhz cpu and 512kb of memory | 23:52 |
| Khertan_n950 | where optimization, clear and maintainable code matter | 23:52 |
| petteri | harhar, all the mobile environments hide that fact pretty well | 23:53 |
| Khertan_n950 | petteri code in python :) | 23:53 |
| petteri | Khertan_n950: that is tight :P | 23:53 |
| Khertan_n950 | today the desktop devel industry is just a job of taking the more fw that you can ... do some link and package the things | 23:54 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: you mean for the vnc? | 23:55 |
| Khertan_n950 | petteri well thinked algo, and clear ux matters | 23:55 |
| djszapi_ | platform is not much of a value without apps | 23:56 |
| djszapi_ | without *tons* of apps. | 23:56 |
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| Khertan_n950 | djszapi: hum ??? | 23:56 |
| Khertan_n950 | hum ... how was iPhone at the beginning | 23:57 |
| Khertan_n950 | compared to other plateforme | 23:57 |
| Khertan_n950 | none apps just webapps | 23:57 |
| Khertan_n950 | and android | 23:57 |
| Khertan_n950 | i think it s require a company which will believe in his Os | 23:58 |
| Khertan_n950 | and 3 or 4 years | 23:58 |
| Khertan_n950 | look at android 1 ... :) | 23:58 |
| djszapi_ | we are *not* at the beginning | 23:59 |
| Khertan_n950 | android wasnt too | 23:59 |
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