IRC log of #harmattan for Saturday, 2012-07-28

befordwhy you cant  use " ?00:02
ZogG_laptopbeford: i do use, but sometimes you want it to look nice or official00:02
ZogG_laptopfaenil: i just checked what i use
ZogG_laptopfaenil: or
ZogG_laptopfaenil: in second one i anchor first in the middle of the parent and than i set width (not the order but logic)00:04
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heymaster-laptopaegis_crypto library ? I need to install it ? Or it bundled with SDK ?00:28
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: why do you need it?00:29
ZogG_laptopi think it would be there already00:29
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: i want to securely store password00:29
heymaster-laptopBut i don't know how to include this library in pro file00:30
ZogG_laptopmaybe that can be helpful00:33
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faenilZogG_laptop, but that way you anchor it to the parent's left...00:38
faenilit works, but it takes "virtual" space in the scene00:38
faenilanyway, gtg ;)00:39
ZogG_laptopfaenil: than use margins or -,+ to anchrs as well00:39
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jonniheymaster-laptop: easiest way is just to use /home/user/private dir.
ZogG_laptopqwazix: jonni sup00:51
heymaster-laptopjonni: so just write files to /home/user/private ?00:52
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qwazixZogG_laptop, fine, I'm officially on vacation :), and I'm playing with qtm proximity sensor on maemo5 but it doesn't seem to work00:52
jonniheymaster-laptop: yep, it automaticly encrypts it, if you have aegis file for the package. It uses application ID as signinging key, so only that specific package can read the file.00:53
jonniheymaster-laptop: if package doesnt have aegis manifest, then its a fail, when all apps can read it :)00:53
heymaster-laptopjonni: sorry for lame question. but how aegis manifest looks like ?00:54
heymaster-laptopjonni: I like aegis_crypto_encrypt method, just don't know how to import that lib :/00:55
heymaster-laptoponly one questuon. I will write encrypted data to my Qt objects serialization data00:55
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jonniZogG_laptop: nice evening have been eating crawfish/crayfish (us/eng) and champagne :)00:57
ZogG_laptopjonni: lemme google what is it01:02
jonnigoogle pics crawfish, and you should see a lot of red thingies :)01:03
ZogG_laptopit's not the same01:04
ZogG_laptopas there types01:04
ZogG_laptopit's like in Israel there is no word for Hornet and as well people calling vespa as bee =)01:05
ZogG_laptopit drives me crazy =)01:05
Estel_is anyone using polycarbonate protector foil with capacitive screen?01:05
Estel_I'm curious if it will work at all01:06
ZogG_laptopjonni: =P01:06
jonniheymaster-laptop: have you tried adding this to .pro file?  PKGCONFIG += aegis-crypto01:07
jonnithat should to the trick :)01:07
heymaster-laptopjonni: will try01:07
ZogG_laptopjonni: anyway it's something like lobsters but smaller and live in not salt water right?01:07
jonniyep, those are usually from lakes, the hunting seasong started on monday in finland for those :)01:08
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: do not forget to add pkgconfig to config as well01:08
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: how ?01:08
ZogG_laptopCONFIG+=pkgconfig ;)01:08
heymaster-laptopok. thanks01:08
ZogG_laptopwith spaces it looks better01:08
heymaster-laptopyes :)01:08
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: i bet you have one there you can add with just space several in one line or use " \" at the end of one line to add on next line01:09
ZogG_laptopthough as it's += u can just use it several times i think01:10
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: No, I'm using CONFIG for first time :)01:10
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: lemme show you01:10
heymaster-laptopI know :)01:10
ZogG_laptopit's CONFIG and PKGCONFIG after =)01:11
heymaster-laptopyes, thanks01:11
heymaster-laptopthe problem I trying use aegis_crypto on x86_6401:12
heymaster-laptopit won't work ?01:12
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: why on x86_64?01:13
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heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: because it's faster01:14
heymaster-laptopto test app01:14
heymaster-laptopI have Mac with Intel x3100 video card :)01:14
heymaster-laptopgma :)01:15
heymaster-laptopbut will try to use emulator01:15
heymaster-laptopI was installed Linux to check how emulator works on Linux, but not better than on OS X01:16
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heymaster-laptop << when loading i see such artifacts .. :)01:17
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: it's not a bug its a feature01:21
ZogG_laptopi think jonni may answer about x86_6401:21
heymaster-laptopyes :)01:21
heymaster-laptopi don't think will be aegis-crypto library on x86_6401:21
ZogG_laptopme too =)01:22
heymaster-laptopafter i changed target.. i can autocomplete #include <aegis_crypto.h>01:22
ZogG_laptopgood =)01:22
ZogG_laptopor bad =)01:22
ZogG_laptopi'm sleepy01:22
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: so iphone and apple? why did you sell your soul?01:23
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: i don't own iPhone :p01:23
heymaster-laptopjust iPod and iPad :)01:23
ZogG_laptopapple products are good but overprices, overrated and no freedom =(01:24
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: what phone do you have?01:24
ZogG_laptopbtw i can check app on my phone if you want =P01:24
heymaster-laptopfor real i own iPhone 3G .. but bought it very cheaply. And it's very slow. I can01:25
heymaster-laptopI can't use it wiht iOS 401:25
heymaster-laptopNokia 50001:26
heymaster-laptopwith Symbian Belle01:26
heymaster-laptopHad Galaxy Y with Android. But sold it. Don't liked it.01:27
jonniZogG_laptop: I never us x86 when devel on harmattan so dont know, but atleast if you just use the private dir you dont need anything, since in x86 its just a file, and in harmattan its encrypted automaticly.01:27
jonniuse even01:28
heymaster-laptopVery cheap phone. With crappy resolution.01:28
heymaster-laptopI like Nokia 500 more than any cheap Samsung mobile01:29
ZogG_laptopjonni: it's pitty they don't have examples of using sso and oauth2 plugin that is in harmattan01:30
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: i don't like samsuung at all01:30
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: though i advices my roomate to buy galaxy nexus s wich is not bad at all. he had my iphone 4 for about a year01:30
ZogG_laptopas i had one(got it for "free"(plan))01:31
jonniZogG_laptop: hmm, isnt tests dir example enough, where they test that oauth2 plugin works?01:31
ZogG_laptopjonni: i created account and it stored(if i didn't miss anything). but i have no idea how to use it from the app01:32
ZogG_laptopjonni: and as well no oauth1 there if i understand right. as oauth2plugin has both01:36
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ZogG_laptopjonni: is it there and i'm just too stupid to understand, or it's not full example? =)01:40
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trip0anyone done a2dp with the n9?02:30
trip0i'm noticing that a2dp sounds great to my nokia headset02:31
trip0but sounds kinda crappy to my linux desktop02:31
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itsnotabigtruckheymaster-laptop: for storing passwords, use signon instead of aegis-crypto03:43
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: sup03:43
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: not seeing pr1.4 having been released :p03:43
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: your jabber is off or you deleted me? =)03:43
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: the former03:44
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: Elop came by the chan earlier =)03:44
itsnotabigtruckmy domain died and with it my jabber address03:44
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: i can recommend you one03:44
itsnotabigtruckin the meantime catch me here03:44
itsnotabigtruckthe guy who owns the domain didn't renew it and now has to get it out of a 'limbo' state03:44
itsnotabigtrucki can't do anything about it03:44
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: nickname@i-am-getting-horny-by-using-an-insecure-connection.headcounter.org03:44
ZogG_laptopi have one03:45
ZogG_laptopasked admin to register as you can't =)03:45
ZogG_laptopi'll query you03:45
itsnotabigtruck lol, i guess the name's because that one is no ssl only03:45
itsnotabigtruckheymaster-laptop: so yeah, signon. it'll take care of most of the aegis stuff so you don't have to03:46
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itsnotabigtruckit's possible to specify a custom aegis token to protect the password so other apps can't get to it03:46
itsnotabigtruckalso PSA everyone: turn nfc off on your n9s03:47
befordi like to get hacked03:47
befordalso, to get out of the "limbo" you have like 45 days, just pay to get it renewed03:48
itsnotabigtruckbeford: in the case of .de, they snail mail you a password03:48
itsnotabigtruckat least if i read the info correctly03:49
befordah cctlds sucks03:49
itsnotabigtruckand i need to get the domain owner's ass in motion because it probably should have arrived by now03:49
itsnotabigtruckgtlds generally don't have any sort of limbo situation03:49
itsnotabigtrucka lot of cctlds have various states in between registered and not registered03:49
itsnotabigtruckbut if it was a gtld, the domain would be lost forever as a spammer would have snatched it up the second it freed upo03:49
befordwell they give you like 45 days to get pay it after it has been expired, i thought you meant that03:49
befordyou have around 45 days to renew it after expiration date03:50
befordthey put ads all over it, but you can still renew it03:50
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heymaster-laptopitsnotabigtruck: are you here ?04:33
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heymaster-laptopI writing app which stores servers information and I need to store passwords. Is sigon is suitable for that ?04:35
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: now i have sound and u can link that video again =)04:39
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DocAvalanchetrip0: iirc A2DP is just a wrapper around several different audio formats, like raw, and mp305:45
DocAvalanchetrip0: and mp3 is most probably better quality than raw, if you don't use flac media for source, but obviously just streaming a mp3 to the bt-headset has issues with volume and mixing05:47
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befordtomma: nice! got qmlcomponents working on desktop now :D06:03
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itsnotabigtruckyo admiral009:59
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paanybody awake? :D13:30
rzri am13:30
pamorning :)13:30
rzrafter noon !13:31
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ZogG_laptopfaenil: qwazix DocScrutinizer05 sup17:04
faenilZogG_laptop, hey :) back at "family" home17:04
faenil5 hours by car, I really need a shower :)17:05
faenilit's sooooooo hot, I think 40°C on the road17:05
qwazixZogG_laptop, how's it going? I'm fighting with maemo autobuilder :)17:05
qwazixautobuilder wins :(17:05
ZogG_laptopqwazix: now maemo?17:05
ZogG_laptopqwazix: can't help you as never used it and has no more N90017:05
ZogG_laptopbtw MohammadAG what about N900 ? did you talk to qgil?17:06
ZogG_laptopfaenil: say hello to family=)17:06
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qwazixit's ok, probably some stupid setting, I've built things successfully in the past... Once I get over with this, I'll grab rawcam again and add ISO controls17:08
faenilZogG_laptop, family is sleeping, I will later, lol :D17:09
ZogG_laptopqwazix: i saw you said you may rewrite it or something because of cordia tips. or was it related to fremantle port to harmattan?17:10
qwazixZogG_laptop, yes I think my working env has become too much of a spaghetti17:16
qwazixthings from various sources17:16
ZogG_laptopspagetti is tasty17:16
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Lava_Croftspagetti is just pasta, it has little taste17:16
Lava_Croftits the sauce etc that gives it taste17:16
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Lava_Crofteat it dry! :D17:22
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: but the whole thing is called spagetti right?17:24
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Lava_Croftusually they put another name behind it17:26
Lava_Croftto indicate the sauce used17:26
Lava_Croftbolognese, carbonara17:26
Lava_Croft2012 and our national broadcaster still has shit quality videostreams from the olympics17:28
qwazixwe've got hd coverage here but I'm seeing artifacts right now... Don't know if it's the broadcasters fault or my crappy single core AMD17:34
Lava_Crofti just imagine that my monitor so is incredibly big, that the stream just cannot look good on it17:35
* Lava_Croft rolls his eyes17:36
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Neddieis there any app that uses FCam on N9?17:45
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Lava_Croftfcam for n9 was released?17:51
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NeddieI don't know, just asking17:52
jonniNeddie: simple mirror, Front Camera N9 (video+) and Front Camera are avail in ovi store.17:53
Neddiethat's fun17:55
faenilLava_Croft, rai 1?17:58
heymaster-laptopHow to print debug value running harmattan emulator ? qDebug looks don't work17:58
Lava_Croftfaenil: no:)17:58
Lava_CroftNOS, dutch national broadcaster17:58
faeniloh :) thought you were italian ;)17:59
Lava_Crofti passed out in italic traffic jam once17:59
Lava_Croftdoes that count17:59
Lava_Croftairco on inside the car, 15celsius18:00
Lava_Croftoutside, it was 34celsius orso18:00
Lava_Crofti got out of the car and instantly passed out18:00
faenileh, it was like 40 today, 5hours by car...I was dieing18:00
faeniljust had a shower, omg18:00
Lava_Croftoh my18:00
Lava_Croftwe had a week of hot weather here, so its rainy/cloudy now18:00
Lava_Croftholland :<18:01
faenilno airco because the car is a bit old :) it has it but it would have made us too slow :D18:01
Lava_Croftall windows open and maximum speed! :)18:01
faenilLava_Croft, yup :D it wasn't enough unfortunately...I also got a sunburn on my right arm...18:01
faenilholy crap xD18:01
Lava_Croftair here is much more humid than in italy18:02
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Lava_Croftso its really hard to breath here, with 30 celsius18:02
Lava_Croftin italy, the dry air makes it much easier to deal with high temperatures18:02
Lava_Croftholland is just swamp18:03
Lava_Croftbut i guess 40celsius is fucked up anywhere:)18:03
faenilLava_Croft, much more humid? omg...18:04
Lava_Croftfaenil: yeah :<18:04
faenilwell it also depends on where you've been18:04
faenilI study in Pisa...18:04
faenilit's got a river passing through it...18:04
Lava_Croftyou must be so happy with all the people taking the same goddamn pose when taking a picture of themselves and that shit tower:)18:04
faeniland I can say it really is like a swamp xD humid as hell! (is it humid down there?)18:04
Lava_Croftyes, its very humid here, always18:04
faenilLava_Croft, yeah ahahah18:04
Lava_Crofti live close to the sea and holland is basically a swamp anyway18:05
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Lava_Croftoh nice NFC holes found18:13
jonnisimilar kind of hole is that if you switch developer mode on, switch settings to always sdk mode without query, set static password in sdk, and plug usb cable in, you can do anything that you like :). Atleast I consider it kinda similar if one doesnt set confirm option on when switching on nfc :)18:18
jonniand I bet that 'bug' will be fixed by removing the confirm option switch and always forcing the confirmation.18:23
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jonniie, just to assume that end users don't have brains, and making things harder to advanced users who have coded nfc tag functionality to their homes etc, as then you always have to press confirm button if you want automatic sync/backup, switching on the room lights etc.18:26
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ZogG_laptop jonni so you think no query is just coz of end user?19:15
ZogG_laptopi think actually it's not true19:15
ZogG_laptopin most ordenering things asking [y/n] questions and things like that are for end-user. "like are you sure?" or even "you know what you are doing at all"?19:16
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ZogG_laptopon other hand getting more settings and configurations and on/off functions are advanced. but it's more of making options and configurations. while first is about confirm everystep.19:17
ZogG_laptopand again there are things that need confirmation, stupid example but sudo is one of the things that you need to enter password everytime you want to do something with system not allowed for common user19:18
ZogG_laptopit's not black and white. everything has the place and reason19:18
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ZogG_laptopVenemo_N9: sup man19:21
ZogG_laptopVenemo_N9: i wanna query you, may i?19:22
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ZogG_laptopjonni: as well you, i want private word with you19:22
Venemo_N9ZogG_laptop, sure19:22
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Venemo_N9I do not need android on my N919:39
Lava_Croftno shit19:39
Venemo_N9if I wanted android, I would've gone for some Samsung crap, not Nokia19:40
ZogG_laptopsamsung is crap and it's nice to have dual boot actually for gamers :)19:41
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Lava_Crofti wouldnt call it crap19:43
Lava_Croftbut yes, galaxy nexus felt cheap:)19:43
ZogG_laptopi dont like the quality of their phones19:43
ZogG_laptopnexus S seems good though19:43
Lava_CroftAsus-built Nexus7 doesnt feel so cheap tho19:43
Lava_Croftits solid and has weight to it19:43
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Lava_Croftthats probably the best place for Android19:44
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Venemo_N9anyway, I don't think android has what I need19:44
Lava_Croftit doesnt, if you value your n900 :)19:44
Lava_Croftafter a week i still didnt manage to get my Galaxy Nexus to do what i want19:44
Venemo_N9I value my N9(50)19:45
Lava_Crofti value my n9 too19:45
Lava_Crofti hope Nokia Care does so too :<19:45
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Lava_Croftbut nothing beats the N900 ;)19:45
Venemo_N9I gave the N900 to family19:45
ZogG_laptopVenemo_N9: Lava_Croft there were people(no names ;P) who said that n9 is more like "fanboys" crap phone and not a tool, and one of the reasons is capacity screen :P19:46
Lava_Croftif i could easily swap batteries in the N9, it would be a good replacement:P19:46
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ZogG_laptopas it doesn't support stylus19:46
VelmontWell, well... I'm always underwhelmed when seeing the N900.19:46
Lava_CroftZogG_laptop: resistive screens usually fair better in harsh environments19:46
Lava_Croftbut that arguement is just lol19:46
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: i just think mobile device and mobile UI is not desctop one19:46
ZogG_laptopand stulys is history19:46
Venemo_N9I would never never ever go back to a resistive screen19:47
ZogG_laptoppressure measures though are good19:47
Lava_Crofti dont really mind either19:47
ZogG_laptopbut i don't see problem with capacity with mobile UI apps19:47
Lava_Crofti dont even see why its a topic of discussion19:47
Lava_Croftboth work remarkebly well19:47
ZogG_laptopas well i think you can't blame mobile if you want to run LXDE on it19:47
ZogG_laptopit is just made for desctop and not mobile. even wtih stulys19:47
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Lava_Croftwell, people are always amazed at the N900's screen19:48
ZogG_laptopi had problems with n900 screen19:48
Lava_Crofti do too19:48
ZogG_laptopwhen u need push hard to make things work. not sure if it was OS problem or screen19:48
Lava_Croftthats resistive19:48
Lava_Croftive had Palm devices for years19:48
Lava_Croftim used to having old shit that required a lot of force to register a buttonpress:)19:49
Lava_Crofti can still go all "wauw, this is so awesome" when using capacitive19:49
Lava_Croftand flicking through apps on the n919:49
Venemo_N9Lava_Croft :)19:54
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ZogG_laptopthat's the point that people say that N900 is "da best phone ever" i like n900 coz of openness and some UI ideas19:56
Lava_Croftn900 is a horrible phone19:57
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: i tried to say.19:57
Lava_Crofti mean come on19:57
Lava_Croftits a fantastic mobile computer tho19:57
ZogG_laptoponly cause you can use on go19:57
Lava_Crofti dont call my desktop PC a phone either19:57
ZogG_laptopon bus with one hand19:57
Lava_Croftjust because i can make phonecalls with it19:57
ZogG_laptopwhile stylus is pain in the ass19:57
Lava_Croftstylus isnt a pain in the ass19:57
Lava_Croftits a matter of preference19:57
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: it is not when you use it stable not on go19:58
Lava_Croftunless you stick it up your ass19:58
Lava_Croftthat might hurt19:58
Lava_Crofti use it on the go all the time19:58
Lava_Croftand at least a stylus allows me aim properly19:58
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: true but if you go on the street and you concentrate on phone (stulys and phone need 2 hands)19:59
ZogG_laptopor on bus when it's jumping19:59
Lava_Croftim used to using 2 hands19:59
Lava_Croftone-hand typing is slow19:59
ZogG_laptopso all the aiming to really small details goes away19:59
ZogG_laptopbut sure it's nicer to use apps as mypaint19:59
Lava_Crofti have proper roads in my country19:59
ZogG_laptopwhen u can actually use those19:59
Venemo_N9I'm not arguing about this19:59
Lava_Croftso unless theres speedbumps, the bus doesnt shake a lot20:00
Lava_Croftme neither20:00
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Lava_Croftim just giving random arguments20:00
Lava_Croftif we reversed the discussion, i would love that too20:00
Lava_Croftand be all in favor of capacitive20:00
Lava_Croftim just being friendly and being a soundboard for the guy looking for a discussion about capacitive vs resistive20:00
Lava_Croftmight as well be the colour blue vs the colour red, for all i care20:01
heymaster-laptopwhat is define for c++ code know if running harmattan emulator/device ?20:03
heymaster-laptop#ifdef MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN20:03
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: when standing it can be uncomfy20:05
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: possible to speedup harmattan emulator ?20:05
heymaster-laptopany tricks ? :)20:05
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: do not use it =)20:06
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: the point is that it has advantages, but it's not the super best and only solutions =)20:06
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: it's faster to run and debug app on reall device ?20:06
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: the debug is in qtcreator20:06
ZogG_laptopand app on device itself20:06
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: but why harmattan emulator is much slower than Android emulator ?20:08
heymaster-laptopsame qemu20:08
SpeedEvilPeople arguing capacitive or resistive are insane. It's effects that are important.20:10
SpeedEvilIf you can do a stylus with capacitive - great.20:10
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: indeed20:10
RST38hMost arguing people are insane.20:10
DocScrutinizer05if you can use fingernail with capacitive, then yes20:10
RST38hNormal people do not give a shit.20:10
DocScrutinizer05I do not give a shit about normal people20:11
RST38hMakes you normal, I guess.20:11
itsnotabigtruckheymaster-laptop: that define i think comes from some qt header file20:12
itsnotabigtruckif you're not using qt you probably can't rely on that unless you add the right includes to everything20:12
heymaster-laptopQemu finished with error: Exit code was 1. << I get this error If I'm trying to use hw graphics20:12
heymaster-laptopitsnotabigtruck: ok .. it's better to find how to speedup harmattan emulator20:13
heymaster-laptopbecause was thinking to write code for x86_64 and ARM20:13
heymaster-laptopthere's no SigOn framework on x86_6420:13
itsnotabigtrucki don't think there's a x86_64 build of harmattan at all20:14
itsnotabigtruckthere's i386 stuff20:14
itsnotabigtruckare you sure signon isn't part of that20:14
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: sup20:15
heymaster-laptopitsnotabigtruck: I'm just choosing Qt Simulator target and that's all :/20:16
heymaster-laptopAnd I'm running x86_64 Qt SDK20:16
heymaster-laptopitsnotabigtruck: how to get sigon headers to work on Qt simulator target ? any possibilities ?20:17
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: did you add them to pro file?20:18
itsnotabigtrucki dont20:18
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: yes, it work if i chooses harmattan emulator target20:18
itsnotabigtrucker, i don't use qt sdk, so i can't help20:18
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: oh you want on desktop target?20:19
ZogG_laptopyou can't20:19
ZogG_laptopyou need to compile sigon on computer20:19
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: OK. will check it20:20
ZogG_laptopthe best way to do it i think is to run wtcreator on meego os20:20
ZogG_laptopbut you'll luck harmattan components20:20
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: ok20:21
ZogG_laptopif i'm right20:21
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: correct me if i'm wrong20:21
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paitsnotabigtruck, finally :)20:28
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heymaster-laptopI think I will compile libsigon on mac without luck :)20:43
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itsnotabigtruckpa: hey20:46
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paitsnotabigtruck, let me recap  here20:53
paso i tried to do as you said, now i have in my /opt/myapp/bin/  a script called , that does what we said20:53
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pai also modified my aegis manifest like this:20:54
pabut it still does not work :(20:54
itsnotabigtruckpa: hm21:05
itsnotabigtruckin what way does it not work21:05
itsnotabigtruckwhat if you do from the terminal21:05
itsnotabigtruck/opt/myapp/bin/ x21:05
itsnotabigtruckwhere x is the value21:05
itsnotabigtruckbtw is there some nokia-blessed way to control the brightness through other means21:06
itsnotabigtruckor is that blocked due to aegis21:06
itsnotabigtruckoh, also21:06
itsnotabigtruckthose two for lines have to go INSIDE the 1st request block21:06
itsnotabigtruckfor always goes in request21:06
itsnotabigtruckalso do: less /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf21:07
itsnotabigtruckgo to the end and see if it looks correct21:07
itsnotabigtruckthat's where your manifest xml gets transcribed21:07
qwazixHow do you make a Qt app wait before close? For example while saving to disk. If you close rawcam too soon after capture, it doesn't save the shot.21:07
qwazixSo I need to make it wait a bit before quitting, ideally without the user ever knowing21:08
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paitsnotabigtruck, ok let me see21:09
pa(btw if i do that, i get permission denied on the "echo >" command inside the script)21:09
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paand also, i now put those two lines inside, but thats how qtcreator generated the manifest21:11
paitsnotabigtruck, no, in the restok.conf my does not appear21:12
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pai moved that little block to the top, still it does not end into restok.conf21:17
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teleshoesanyone know how to get man working on the n9?21:18
pai was wondering that too21:19
itsnotabigtruckpa: oh, well, that permission denied = why it's not working21:20
itsnotabigtrucki highly doubt qt creator put the for lines outside of the request block21:21
itsnotabigtrucki think they got moved at some point when you were adding and removing the request21:21
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: no idea, probably a lost cause21:21
itsnotabigtruckeven if you had man, there wouldn't be any man pages21:21
itsnotabigtruckyou'd have to reinstall everything inasmuch to add the man pages21:21
teleshoesman pages can be copied wholesale21:21
paitsnotabigtruck, well now i put them back now, but it doesnt really make a difference21:21
teleshoesi want them mostly for gnu utils21:21
itsnotabigtruckpa: are there any errors when you install the package21:21
itsnotabigtruckand paste the restok section for your package21:22
teleshoese.g.: to man find to see how to spell -print021:22
itsnotabigtruckon gist.github.com21:22
itsnotabigtruck(NOT HERE OR IN QUERY)21:22
itsnotabigtruckhate it when people paste 50 line blocks of text in irc, it comes through one line at a time for minutes :p21:22
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pano error on installing21:24
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: keep in mind that find is busybox find, not gnu find21:24
itsnotabigtruckif you copy in the gnu man pages, they won't match up21:24
pathe section on restok:
teleshoesi use gnu find21:24
itsnotabigtruckoften dramatically so21:24
teleshoesbusybox is nonsense21:25
teleshoesthe very first thing i do when reflashing my device21:25
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itsnotabigtruckpa: there's no section there for your script21:25
itsnotabigtruckno wonder it doesn't work21:25
teleshoesis run a script that gets all the gnu utils21:25
teleshoesless, find, grep, sed, awk21:25
paand i dont get why21:25
teleshoesand sets it up so that the busybox ones do not get called21:25
pacoz i have that section in my manifest21:25
itsnotabigtruckpa: ok, fix the for lines and uninstall completely then reinstall21:25
itsnotabigtruckand install using dpkg -i at the terminal21:26
pawell that i already did21:26
itsnotabigtrucki'm not sure how you're installing now but it might be concealing errors21:26
pai can try to uninstall tho21:26
pai install with dpkg -.i21:26
teleshoesbusybox's find doesnt have execdir or print0...21:26
teleshoes=> impossible to process the files lazily21:27
itsnotabigtruckteleshoes: try using tr and xargs21:27
teleshoesexcept that requires fully completing the find21:27
teleshoesi just use gnu find21:27
teleshoeswhich is wonderful21:27
teleshoesbusybox is a truly great thing; its like a neat-and-complete mini-unix single executable21:28
teleshoesits small and has tiny footprints21:29
teleshoesruns fine on, say, televisions with extremely limited hardware21:29
teleshoes1.0 GHZ, 1GB RAM21:29
paso, fixed aegis, uninstalled, reinstalled. no error on installation. Here is my manifest and section in restok:
teleshoes64GB nonvolatile storage21:29
pait somehow does not get there21:30
pamay it be due to the way i stuff the script into the directory?21:31
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itsnotabigtruckpa: hold on, paste the error you get when you run the script21:31
itsnotabigtruckthe entire error21:31
pai do stuff the script via qmlapplicationviewer.pri, like this:
paitsnotabigtruck, the error is like this:21:32
pa/opt/meeTrainer/bin/ line 2: can't create /sys/devices/omapdss/display0/backlight/display0/brightness: Permission denied21:32
paessentially, no permissions21:32
pameaning, it doestn get the UID:.root credential21:33
itsnotabigtruckok, i was afraid it might be a problem running the script itself21:33
itsnotabigtruckalso, don't use codepad for non-code21:33
itsnotabigtruckit's intended specifically to compile and run standalone test programs21:33
paah ok, well i thought it was for everything :)21:34
itsnotabigtrucklike int main() { printf("hello world!"); return 0; } kinda stuff21:34
itsnotabigtruckand that snippet looks fine21:34
itsnotabigtrucki think21:34
itsnotabigtrucki don't know much about qmake but it looks like it's probably ok21:34
pawell, i dont know if that matters for aegis anyway21:34
itsnotabigtruckcould you paste your current manifest again21:34
pai mean, the file gets there21:34
payes i did just before21:35
itsnotabigtruckwell, the current problem is that it's not making it into restok.conf21:35
itsnotabigtruckbut another problem would be if it never made it into refhashlist21:35
itsnotabigtruckwhich would be affected by how it's added to the package21:35
pathat was aegis + section in restok21:35
paso taht might be the problem21:35
pawell.. i googled for how to stuff files into .debs via qmake/qtcreator21:36
pathats what i found21:36
pabut maybe there are other ways?21:36
itsnotabigtrucki meant the manifest21:36
itsnotabigtruckthat link is just the restok stuff21:36
pahm? no21:36
itsnotabigtrucki'm wondering what the version that you're building into the package right now looks like21:36
pathat like is the manifest21:36
itsnotabigtruckyeah, check it...21:36
itsnotabigtruckthe manifest is the xml stuff21:37
itsnotabigtruckno xml in there21:37
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patrue.. weird21:38
paanyway, here it is:21:38
itsnotabigtruckyou let qt creator trash your modified manifest21:39
itsnotabigtruckit deleted the second request21:39
itsnotabigtruckdelete that comment block and the word autogenerateaegisfile21:39
itsnotabigtruckthen add the second request block after </reuqest>21:40
itsnotabigtruckalso there's no need for the setxid21:40
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itsnotabigtruckalso make sure to tweak the first request block so it exactly matches what your app needs21:40
itsnotabigtruckbut that can be dealt with later21:41
itsnotabigtruckthe immediate need is to make that script work21:41
pawell yes that i already did21:41
pai added Location, for example21:41
paand it ends in restok21:41
itsnotabigtruckoh, wait a minute21:41
paim not sure what i have to do now, is my manifest not ok?21:41
itsnotabigtrucki just looked again and it has your request block in there21:41
itsnotabigtruckok, so, first21:41
itsnotabigtrucka) delete that gigantic comment at the top21:41
itsnotabigtruckb) IMPORTANT: delete the AutoGenerateAegisFile line21:42
itsnotabigtruckc) IMPORTANT: change the policy for the script to "set"21:42
itsnotabigtruckthe not-inheritable will break it21:42
itsnotabigtruckbecause it's a script21:42
pasetxid is not needed?21:43
itsnotabigtruckno, that was only needed for the other plan21:43
itsnotabigtrucksetxid in this case won't hurt but won't help21:43
paok lets try this way21:43
itsnotabigtruckit causes the real UID not to be changed when you add a UID or GID credential21:43
itsnotabigtruckwhich allows you to use setreuid and setregid to switch back and forth between UIDs and GIDs21:44
paah now i see21:44
itsnotabigtruckalso it might be good to change the policy for your main app from add to set not-inheritable21:45
itsnotabigtruckbut do that later, don't want to break things more than necessary right now21:45
pai think something has changed21:46
pabut i think i have to put the first block last21:46
pawith the set  i mean21:46
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pait got there!21:51
palet see if it works!21:52
pathank you so much!!!21:52
pahope you can profit from my app too :)21:52
itsnotabigtruckcool, good to see it's working21:56
pa: ))21:57
paby the way, do you by chance know whether there are devices left to give as prize for something?21:57
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itsnotabigtruckpa: i believe so, for the coding competition only21:59
itsnotabigtruckmaybe you could enter this app in that competition21:59
CreamyG31337what you make, pa?21:59
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paits a sportstracker alike app22:02
pabut way better, at least than the meego version :)22:02
qwazixNew ρcam out :), rzr, ZogG_laptop, many thanks22:02
pa(which, honestly, sucks just so hard)22:02
pabut im not sure i should participate to the coding competition22:02
qwazixpa, of course you should22:02
CreamyG31337well u might as well, why not?22:02
pamaybe by making it cost like 1$ it would be easier to get my N9 back22:02
paif i wasnt stolen one, i wouldnt care22:03
qwazixpa, one doesn't exclude the other...22:03
CreamyG31337oh, everything has to be open source in competition?22:03
pai dont know,.. but i supposed so22:03
CreamyG31337you can still put it in the store for a $122:03
qwazixeven if it's open you can put in store. Most people don't bother to download sources and build22:04
CreamyG31337not very many people would try to bypass that22:04
CreamyG31337yeah usually the ones that do, couldn't afford the dollar or have no credit card or whatever22:04
qwazixand even paid apps are being pirated anyway and are available in the first page of google results, so even if you upload the deb @tmo you probably wont lose much clients22:04
qwazix(you may even gain some)22:04
qwazixYou can also keep some features for paid version only22:05
pagood idea22:05
pamaybe i can make the pro version for 1¼22:06
pawith some added feat22:06
qwazixMy contactLaunch uses that kind of "marketing"22:06
itsnotabigtruckugh, i hate ovi paid apps22:06
pathats why i was hoping to get a device via the program :)22:06
itsnotabigtruckcan't even buy them if i want to without jumping through hoops22:06
CreamyG31337well u can't hate if the source is open too22:06
itsnotabigtrucka lot of open source + paid apps are hard/impossible to build from the provided source, that's the thing22:07
qwazixitsnotabigtruck, don't you have carrier billing were you are?22:07
itsnotabigtruckesp if you don't have qt creator22:07
itsnotabigtruckyou can't build a qt creator project easily without qt creator22:07
itsnotabigtruckbecause of the packaging stuff22:07
itsnotabigtruckand i do, which is the problem22:07
itsnotabigtruckthey lock out credit card billing if your carrier wants carrier billing (and therefore a cut of the action)22:08
qwazixreally? I have both available22:08
itsnotabigtruckthis is with at&t22:09
itsnotabigtruckin order to pay with a credit card and therefore not bill the accountholder, it's necessary to go into flight mode, turn on wifi, get on a wifi network, and restart the store22:09
itsnotabigtruckthen it'll let you pay by credit card22:10
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CreamyG31337AT&T: Connecting you to your world, and then making you disconnect.22:12
qwazixWhen I hear about AT&T I like teasing people with the fact that all contracts here are 1 year, all phones are unlocked and there is rarely any carrier branding :)22:15
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ZogG_laptop i asked to turn off billing system at all23:11
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ZogG_laptoptrx: i can't hide keyboard in your editor =\ and when it's open i can't scroll23:20
ZogG_laptopwith finger and not on side as on side it jumps to far and fast23:21
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