| beford | why you cant use " ? | 00:02 |
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| ZogG_laptop | beford: i do use, but sometimes you want it to look nice or official | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i just checked what i use https://github.com/funkycode/imgrup/blob/master/src/qml/imgrup/UploadPage.qml#L42 | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: or https://github.com/funkycode/imgrup/blob/master/src/qml/imgrup/GalleryImage.qml#L104 | 00:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: in second one i anchor first in the middle of the parent and than i set width (not the order but logic) | 00:04 |
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| heymaster-laptop | aegis_crypto library ? I need to install it ? Or it bundled with SDK ? | 00:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: why do you need it? | 00:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think it would be there already | 00:29 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: i want to securely store password | 00:29 |
| heymaster-laptop | But i don't know how to include this library in pro file | 00:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5457 | 00:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | maybe that can be helpful | 00:33 |
| heymaster-laptop | maybe | 00:33 |
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| faenil | ZogG_laptop, but that way you anchor it to the parent's left... | 00:38 |
| faenil | it works, but it takes "virtual" space in the scene | 00:38 |
| faenil | anyway, gtg ;) | 00:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: than use margins or -,+ to anchrs as well | 00:39 |
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| jonni | heymaster-laptop: easiest way is just to use /home/user/private dir. http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Using_Harmattan_security_features.html#Protecting_the_server.27s_data_by_storing_it_in_.2Fhome.2Fuser.2Fprivate | 00:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: jonni sup | 00:51 |
| heymaster-laptop | jonni: so just write files to /home/user/private ? | 00:52 |
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| qwazix | ZogG_laptop, fine, I'm officially on vacation :), and I'm playing with qtm proximity sensor on maemo5 but it doesn't seem to work | 00:52 |
| jonni | heymaster-laptop: yep, it automaticly encrypts it, if you have aegis file for the package. It uses application ID as signinging key, so only that specific package can read the file. | 00:53 |
| jonni | heymaster-laptop: if package doesnt have aegis manifest, then its a fail, when all apps can read it :) | 00:53 |
| heymaster-laptop | jonni: sorry for lame question. but how aegis manifest looks like ? | 00:54 |
| heymaster-laptop | jonni: I like aegis_crypto_encrypt method, just don't know how to import that lib :/ | 00:55 |
| heymaster-laptop | only one questuon. I will write encrypted data to my Qt objects serialization data | 00:55 |
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| jonni | ZogG_laptop: nice evening have been eating crawfish/crayfish (us/eng) and champagne :) | 00:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: lemme google what is it | 01:02 |
| jonni | google pics crawfish, and you should see a lot of red thingies :) | 01:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's not the same | 01:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | as there types | 01:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's like in Israel there is no word for Hornet and as well people calling vespa as bee =) | 01:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | it drives me crazy =) | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | is anyone using polycarbonate protector foil with capacitive screen? | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | I'm curious if it will work at all | 01:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crustacean =P | 01:06 |
| jonni | heymaster-laptop: have you tried adding this to .pro file? PKGCONFIG += aegis-crypto | 01:07 |
| jonni | that should to the trick :) | 01:07 |
| heymaster-laptop | jonni: will try | 01:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: anyway it's something like lobsters but smaller and live in not salt water right? | 01:07 |
| jonni | yep, those are usually from lakes, the hunting seasong started on monday in finland for those :) | 01:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: do not forget to add pkgconfig to config as well | 01:08 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: how ? | 01:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | CONFIG+=pkgconfig ;) | 01:08 |
| heymaster-laptop | ok. thanks | 01:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | with spaces it looks better | 01:08 |
| heymaster-laptop | yes :) | 01:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: i bet you have one there you can add with just space several in one line or use " \" at the end of one line to add on next line | 01:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | though as it's += u can just use it several times i think | 01:10 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: No, I'm using CONFIG for first time :) | 01:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: lemme show you | 01:10 |
| heymaster-laptop | I know :) | 01:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | https://github.com/funkycode/imgrup/blob/master/src/src.pro#L21 | 01:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's CONFIG and PKGCONFIG after =) | 01:11 |
| heymaster-laptop | yes, thanks | 01:11 |
| heymaster-laptop | the problem I trying use aegis_crypto on x86_64 | 01:12 |
| heymaster-laptop | it won't work ? | 01:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: why on x86_64? | 01:13 |
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| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: because it's faster | 01:14 |
| heymaster-laptop | to test app | 01:14 |
| heymaster-laptop | I have Mac with Intel x3100 video card :) | 01:14 |
| heymaster-laptop | gma :) | 01:15 |
| heymaster-laptop | but will try to use emulator | 01:15 |
| heymaster-laptop | I was installed Linux to check how emulator works on Linux, but not better than on OS X | 01:16 |
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| heymaster-laptop | http://cl.ly/image/0f2l3f3w312G << when loading i see such artifacts .. :) | 01:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: it's not a bug its a feature | 01:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think jonni may answer about x86_64 | 01:21 |
| heymaster-laptop | yes :) | 01:21 |
| heymaster-laptop | i don't think will be aegis-crypto library on x86_64 | 01:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | me too =) | 01:22 |
| heymaster-laptop | after i changed target.. i can autocomplete #include <aegis_crypto.h> | 01:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | good =) | 01:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | or bad =) | 01:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm sleepy | 01:22 |
| heymaster-laptop | :) | 01:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: so iphone and apple? why did you sell your soul? | 01:23 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: i don't own iPhone :p | 01:23 |
| heymaster-laptop | just iPod and iPad :) | 01:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | apple products are good but overprices, overrated and no freedom =( | 01:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: what phone do you have? | 01:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw i can check app on my phone if you want =P | 01:24 |
| heymaster-laptop | for real i own iPhone 3G .. but bought it very cheaply. And it's very slow. I can | 01:25 |
| heymaster-laptop | I can't use it wiht iOS 4 | 01:25 |
| heymaster-laptop | Nokia 500 | 01:26 |
| heymaster-laptop | with Symbian Belle | 01:26 |
| heymaster-laptop | Had Galaxy Y with Android. But sold it. Don't liked it. | 01:27 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: I never us x86 when devel on harmattan so dont know, but atleast if you just use the private dir you dont need anything, since in x86 its just a file, and in harmattan its encrypted automaticly. | 01:27 |
| jonni | use even | 01:28 |
| heymaster-laptop | Very cheap phone. With crappy resolution. | 01:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | =\ | 01:29 |
| heymaster-laptop | I like Nokia 500 more than any cheap Samsung mobile | 01:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: it's pitty they don't have examples of using sso and oauth2 plugin that is in harmattan | 01:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: i don't like samsuung at all | 01:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: though i advices my roomate to buy galaxy nexus s wich is not bad at all. he had my iphone 4 for about a year | 01:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | as i had one(got it for "free"(plan)) | 01:31 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: hmm, isnt tests dir example enough, where they test that oauth2 plugin works? | 01:31 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon-oauth2/blobs/master/tests/oauth2plugintest.cpp | 01:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i created account and it stored(if i didn't miss anything). but i have no idea how to use it from the app | 01:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: and as well no oauth1 there if i understand right. as oauth2plugin has both | 01:36 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: is it there and i'm just too stupid to understand, or it's not full example? =) | 01:40 |
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| trip0 | anyone done a2dp with the n9? | 02:30 |
| trip0 | i'm noticing that a2dp sounds great to my nokia headset | 02:31 |
| trip0 | but sounds kinda crappy to my linux desktop | 02:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | heymaster-laptop: for storing passwords, use signon instead of aegis-crypto | 03:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: sup | 03:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: not seeing pr1.4 having been released :p | 03:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: your jabber is off or you deleted me? =) | 03:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: the former | 03:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: Elop came by the chan earlier =) | 03:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | my domain died and with it my jabber address | 03:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i can recommend you one | 03:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in the meantime catch me here | 03:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the guy who owns the domain didn't renew it and now has to get it out of a 'limbo' state | 03:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i can't do anything about it | 03:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: nickname@i-am-getting-horny-by-using-an-insecure-connection.headcounter.org | 03:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 03:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have one | 03:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | asked admin to register as you can't =) | 03:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'll query you | 03:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://jabber.headcounter.org/ lol, i guess the name's because that one is no ssl only | 03:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heymaster-laptop: so yeah, signon. it'll take care of most of the aegis stuff so you don't have to | 03:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it's possible to specify a custom aegis token to protect the password so other apps can't get to it | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also PSA everyone: turn nfc off on your n9s | 03:47 |
| beford | meh | 03:47 |
| beford | i like to get hacked | 03:47 |
| beford | also, to get out of the "limbo" you have like 45 days, just pay to get it renewed | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: in the case of .de, they snail mail you a password | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | at least if i read the info correctly | 03:49 |
| beford | ah cctlds sucks | 03:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i need to get the domain owner's ass in motion because it probably should have arrived by now | 03:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gtlds generally don't have any sort of limbo situation | 03:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a lot of cctlds have various states in between registered and not registered | 03:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but if it was a gtld, the domain would be lost forever as a spammer would have snatched it up the second it freed upo | 03:49 |
| beford | well they give you like 45 days to get pay it after it has been expired, i thought you meant that | 03:49 |
| beford | ^ | 03:50 |
| beford | you have around 45 days to renew it after expiration date | 03:50 |
| beford | they put ads all over it, but you can still renew it | 03:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dilpUHolcxs | 03:50 |
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| heymaster-laptop | itsnotabigtruck: are you here ? | 04:33 |
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| heymaster-laptop | I writing app which stores servers information and I need to store passwords. Is sigon is suitable for that ? | 04:35 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: now i have sound and u can link that video again =) | 04:39 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dilpUHolcxs | 04:56 |
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| DocAvalanche | trip0: iirc A2DP is just a wrapper around several different audio formats, like raw, and mp3 | 05:45 |
| DocAvalanche | trip0: and mp3 is most probably better quality than raw, if you don't use flac media for source, but obviously just streaming a mp3 to the bt-headset has issues with volume and mixing | 05:47 |
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| beford | tomma: nice! got qmlcomponents working on desktop now :D | 06:03 |
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| admiral0 | hello | 09:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yo admiral0 | 09:59 |
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| pa | mornin | 13:30 |
| pa | anybody awake? :D | 13:30 |
| rzr | i am | 13:30 |
| pa | morning :) | 13:30 |
| rzr | after noon ! | 13:31 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ~ping | 17:04 |
| infobot | ~pong | 17:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: qwazix DocScrutinizer05 sup | 17:04 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, hey :) back at "family" home | 17:04 |
| faenil | 5 hours by car, I really need a shower :) | 17:05 |
| faenil | it's sooooooo hot, I think 40°C on the road | 17:05 |
| qwazix | ZogG_laptop, how's it going? I'm fighting with maemo autobuilder :) | 17:05 |
| qwazix | autobuilder wins :( | 17:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: now maemo? | 17:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: can't help you as never used it and has no more N900 | 17:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw MohammadAG what about N900 ? did you talk to qgil? | 17:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: say hello to family=) | 17:06 |
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| qwazix | it's ok, probably some stupid setting, I've built things successfully in the past... Once I get over with this, I'll grab rawcam again and add ISO controls | 17:08 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, family is sleeping, I will later, lol :D | 17:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: i saw you said you may rewrite it or something because of cordia tips. or was it related to fremantle port to harmattan? | 17:10 |
| qwazix | ZogG_laptop, yes I think my working env has become too much of a spaghetti | 17:16 |
| qwazix | things from various sources | 17:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | spagetti is tasty | 17:16 |
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| Lava_Croft | spagetti is just pasta, it has little taste | 17:16 |
| Lava_Croft | its the sauce etc that gives it taste | 17:16 |
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| * qwazix goes to the cupboard to see if there's any spaghetti left | 17:22 | |
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| Lava_Croft | eat it dry! :D | 17:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: but the whole thing is called spagetti right? | 17:24 |
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| Lava_Croft | usually they put another name behind it | 17:26 |
| Lava_Croft | to indicate the sauce used | 17:26 |
| Lava_Croft | bolognese, carbonara | 17:26 |
| Lava_Croft | etc | 17:26 |
| Lava_Croft | 2012 and our national broadcaster still has shit quality videostreams from the olympics | 17:28 |
| Lava_Croft | >_< | 17:28 |
| qwazix | we've got hd coverage here but I'm seeing artifacts right now... Don't know if it's the broadcasters fault or my crappy single core AMD | 17:34 |
| Lava_Croft | i just imagine that my monitor so is incredibly big, that the stream just cannot look good on it | 17:35 |
| * Lava_Croft rolls his eyes | 17:36 | |
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| Neddie | is there any app that uses FCam on N9? | 17:45 |
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| Lava_Croft | fcam for n9 was released? | 17:51 |
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| Neddie | I don't know, just asking | 17:52 |
| jonni | Neddie: simple mirror, Front Camera N9 (video+) and Front Camera are avail in ovi store. | 17:53 |
| Neddie | that's fun | 17:55 |
| faenil | Lava_Croft, rai 1? | 17:58 |
| heymaster-laptop | How to print debug value running harmattan emulator ? qDebug looks don't work | 17:58 |
| Lava_Croft | faenil: no:) | 17:58 |
| Lava_Croft | NOS, dutch national broadcaster | 17:58 |
| faenil | oh :) thought you were italian ;) | 17:59 |
| Lava_Croft | heh | 17:59 |
| Lava_Croft | i passed out in italic traffic jam once | 17:59 |
| Lava_Croft | does that count | 17:59 |
| faenil | :D | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | airco on inside the car, 15celsius | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | outside, it was 34celsius orso | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | i got out of the car and instantly passed out | 18:00 |
| faenil | eh, it was like 40 today, 5hours by car...I was dieing | 18:00 |
| faenil | just had a shower, omg | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | oh my | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | we had a week of hot weather here, so its rainy/cloudy now | 18:00 |
| Lava_Croft | holland :< | 18:01 |
| faenil | no airco because the car is a bit old :) it has it but it would have made us too slow :D | 18:01 |
| Lava_Croft | haha | 18:01 |
| Lava_Croft | all windows open and maximum speed! :) | 18:01 |
| faenil | Lava_Croft, yup :D it wasn't enough unfortunately...I also got a sunburn on my right arm... | 18:01 |
| faenil | holy crap xD | 18:01 |
| Lava_Croft | air here is much more humid than in italy | 18:02 |
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| Lava_Croft | so its really hard to breath here, with 30 celsius | 18:02 |
| Lava_Croft | in italy, the dry air makes it much easier to deal with high temperatures | 18:02 |
| Lava_Croft | holland is just swamp | 18:03 |
| Lava_Croft | but i guess 40celsius is fucked up anywhere:) | 18:03 |
| faenil | Lava_Croft, much more humid? omg... | 18:04 |
| Lava_Croft | faenil: yeah :< | 18:04 |
| faenil | well it also depends on where you've been | 18:04 |
| faenil | I study in Pisa... | 18:04 |
| faenil | it's got a river passing through it... | 18:04 |
| Lava_Croft | you must be so happy with all the people taking the same goddamn pose when taking a picture of themselves and that shit tower:) | 18:04 |
| faenil | and I can say it really is like a swamp xD humid as hell! (is it humid down there?) | 18:04 |
| Lava_Croft | yes, its very humid here, always | 18:04 |
| faenil | Lava_Croft, yeah ahahah | 18:04 |
| Lava_Croft | i live close to the sea and holland is basically a swamp anyway | 18:05 |
| faenil | :) | 18:05 |
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| Lava_Croft | oh nice NFC holes found | 18:13 |
| Lava_Croft | http://www.extremetech.com/computing/133501-black-hat-hacker-lays-waste-to-android-and-meego-using-nfc-exploits | 18:14 |
| faenil | yep | 18:17 |
| jonni | similar kind of hole is that if you switch developer mode on, switch settings to always sdk mode without query, set static password in sdk, and plug usb cable in, you can do anything that you like :). Atleast I consider it kinda similar if one doesnt set confirm option on when switching on nfc :) | 18:18 |
| Lava_Croft | hah | 18:19 |
| jonni | and I bet that 'bug' will be fixed by removing the confirm option switch and always forcing the confirmation. | 18:23 |
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| jonni | ie, just to assume that end users don't have brains, and making things harder to advanced users who have coded nfc tag functionality to their homes etc, as then you always have to press confirm button if you want automatic sync/backup, switching on the room lights etc. | 18:26 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni so you think no query is just coz of end user? | 19:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think actually it's not true | 19:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | in most ordenering things asking [y/n] questions and things like that are for end-user. "like are you sure?" or even "you know what you are doing at all"? | 19:16 |
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| ZogG_laptop | on other hand getting more settings and configurations and on/off functions are advanced. but it's more of making options and configurations. while first is about confirm everystep. | 19:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | and again there are things that need confirmation, stupid example but sudo is one of the things that you need to enter password everytime you want to do something with system not allowed for common user | 19:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's not black and white. everything has the place and reason | 19:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N9: sup man | 19:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N9: i wanna query you, may i? | 19:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: as well you, i want private word with you | 19:22 |
| Venemo_N9 | ZogG_laptop, sure | 19:22 |
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| Lava_Croft | haha https://www.change.org/petitions/google-please-support-nitdroid-project-to-port-android-to-nokia-n9-officially | 19:37 |
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| rzr | 3 | 19:39 |
| Venemo_N9 | lol | 19:39 |
| Venemo_N9 | I do not need android on my N9 | 19:39 |
| Lava_Croft | no shit | 19:39 |
| Venemo_N9 | if I wanted android, I would've gone for some Samsung crap, not Nokia | 19:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | samsung is crap and it's nice to have dual boot actually for gamers :) | 19:41 |
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| Lava_Croft | i wouldnt call it crap | 19:43 |
| Lava_Croft | but yes, galaxy nexus felt cheap:) | 19:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | i dont like the quality of their phones | 19:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | nexus S seems good though | 19:43 |
| Lava_Croft | Asus-built Nexus7 doesnt feel so cheap tho | 19:43 |
| Lava_Croft | its solid and has weight to it | 19:43 |
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| Lava_Croft | thats probably the best place for Android | 19:44 |
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| Lava_Croft | tablets:P | 19:44 |
| Venemo_N9 | anyway, I don't think android has what I need | 19:44 |
| Lava_Croft | it doesnt, if you value your n900 :) | 19:44 |
| Lava_Croft | after a week i still didnt manage to get my Galaxy Nexus to do what i want | 19:44 |
| Venemo_N9 | I value my N9(50) | 19:45 |
| Lava_Croft | i value my n9 too | 19:45 |
| Lava_Croft | i hope Nokia Care does so too :< | 19:45 |
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| Lava_Croft | but nothing beats the N900 ;) | 19:45 |
| Venemo_N9 | I gave the N900 to family | 19:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N9: Lava_Croft there were people(no names ;P) who said that n9 is more like "fanboys" crap phone and not a tool, and one of the reasons is capacity screen :P | 19:46 |
| Lava_Croft | if i could easily swap batteries in the N9, it would be a good replacement:P | 19:46 |
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| ZogG_laptop | as it doesn't support stylus | 19:46 |
| Velmont | Well, well... I'm always underwhelmed when seeing the N900. | 19:46 |
| Lava_Croft | ZogG_laptop: resistive screens usually fair better in harsh environments | 19:46 |
| Lava_Croft | but that arguement is just lol | 19:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: i just think mobile device and mobile UI is not desctop one | 19:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | and stulys is history | 19:46 |
| Venemo_N9 | I would never never ever go back to a resistive screen | 19:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | pressure measures though are good | 19:47 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont really mind either | 19:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i don't see problem with capacity with mobile UI apps | 19:47 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont even see why its a topic of discussion | 19:47 |
| Lava_Croft | both work remarkebly well | 19:47 |
| Venemo_N9 | indeed | 19:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | as well i think you can't blame mobile if you want to run LXDE on it | 19:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | it is just made for desctop and not mobile. even wtih stulys | 19:47 |
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| Lava_Croft | well, people are always amazed at the N900's screen | 19:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | i had problems with n900 screen | 19:48 |
| Lava_Croft | i do too | 19:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | when u need push hard to make things work. not sure if it was OS problem or screen | 19:48 |
| Lava_Croft | thats resistive | 19:48 |
| Lava_Croft | ive had Palm devices for years | 19:48 |
| Lava_Croft | im used to having old shit that required a lot of force to register a buttonpress:) | 19:49 |
| Lava_Croft | i can still go all "wauw, this is so awesome" when using capacitive | 19:49 |
| Lava_Croft | and flicking through apps on the n9 | 19:49 |
| Venemo_N9 | Lava_Croft :) | 19:54 |
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| ZogG_laptop | that's the point that people say that N900 is "da best phone ever" i like n900 coz of openness and some UI ideas | 19:56 |
| Lava_Croft | n900 is a horrible phone | 19:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: i tried to say. | 19:57 |
| Lava_Croft | i mean come on | 19:57 |
| Lava_Croft | its a fantastic mobile computer tho | 19:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | only cause you can use on go | 19:57 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont call my desktop PC a phone either | 19:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | on bus with one hand | 19:57 |
| Lava_Croft | just because i can make phonecalls with it | 19:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | while stylus is pain in the ass | 19:57 |
| Lava_Croft | stylus isnt a pain in the ass | 19:57 |
| Lava_Croft | its a matter of preference | 19:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: it is not when you use it stable not on go | 19:58 |
| Lava_Croft | unless you stick it up your ass | 19:58 |
| Lava_Croft | that might hurt | 19:58 |
| Lava_Croft | i use it on the go all the time | 19:58 |
| Lava_Croft | and at least a stylus allows me aim properly | 19:58 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 19:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: true but if you go on the street and you concentrate on phone (stulys and phone need 2 hands) | 19:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | or on bus when it's jumping | 19:59 |
| Lava_Croft | im used to using 2 hands | 19:59 |
| Lava_Croft | one-hand typing is slow | 19:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | so all the aiming to really small details goes away | 19:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | but sure it's nicer to use apps as mypaint | 19:59 |
| Lava_Croft | i have proper roads in my country | 19:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | when u can actually use those | 19:59 |
| Venemo_N9 | I'm not arguing about this | 19:59 |
| Lava_Croft | so unless theres speedbumps, the bus doesnt shake a lot | 20:00 |
| Lava_Croft | me neither | 20:00 |
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| Lava_Croft | im just giving random arguments | 20:00 |
| Lava_Croft | if we reversed the discussion, i would love that too | 20:00 |
| Lava_Croft | and be all in favor of capacitive | 20:00 |
| Lava_Croft | im just being friendly and being a soundboard for the guy looking for a discussion about capacitive vs resistive | 20:00 |
| Lava_Croft | might as well be the colour blue vs the colour red, for all i care | 20:01 |
| heymaster-laptop | what is define for c++ code know if running harmattan emulator/device ? | 20:03 |
| heymaster-laptop | #ifdef MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN | 20:03 |
| heymaster-laptop | ? | 20:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: when standing it can be uncomfy | 20:05 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: possible to speedup harmattan emulator ? | 20:05 |
| heymaster-laptop | any tricks ? :) | 20:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: do not use it =) | 20:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: the point is that it has advantages, but it's not the super best and only solutions =) | 20:06 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: it's faster to run and debug app on reall device ? | 20:06 |
| heymaster-laptop | real* | 20:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: the debug is in qtcreator | 20:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | and app on device itself | 20:06 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: but why harmattan emulator is much slower than Android emulator ? | 20:08 |
| heymaster-laptop | same qemu | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | People arguing capacitive or resistive are insane. It's effects that are important. | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can do a stylus with capacitive - great. | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: indeed | 20:10 |
| RST38h | Most arguing people are insane. | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you can use fingernail with capacitive, then yes | 20:10 |
| RST38h | Normal people do not give a shit. | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I do not give a shit about normal people | 20:11 |
| RST38h | Makes you normal, I guess. | 20:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heymaster-laptop: that define i think comes from some qt header file | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you're not using qt you probably can't rely on that unless you add the right includes to everything | 20:12 |
| heymaster-laptop | Qemu finished with error: Exit code was 1. << I get this error If I'm trying to use hw graphics | 20:12 |
| heymaster-laptop | itsnotabigtruck: ok .. it's better to find how to speedup harmattan emulator | 20:13 |
| heymaster-laptop | because was thinking to write code for x86_64 and ARM | 20:13 |
| heymaster-laptop | there's no SigOn framework on x86_64 | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't think there's a x86_64 build of harmattan at all | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's i386 stuff | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are you sure signon isn't part of that | 20:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: sup | 20:15 |
| heymaster-laptop | itsnotabigtruck: I'm just choosing Qt Simulator target and that's all :/ | 20:16 |
| heymaster-laptop | And I'm running x86_64 Qt SDK | 20:16 |
| heymaster-laptop | itsnotabigtruck: how to get sigon headers to work on Qt simulator target ? any possibilities ? | 20:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: did you add them to pro file? | 20:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i dont | 20:18 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: yes, it work if i chooses harmattan emulator target | 20:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | er, i don't use qt sdk, so i can't help | 20:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: oh you want on desktop target? | 20:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | you can't | 20:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | you need to compile sigon on computer | 20:19 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: OK. will check it | 20:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | the best way to do it i think is to run wtcreator on meego os | 20:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | but you'll luck harmattan components | 20:20 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: ok | 20:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | if i'm right | 20:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: correct me if i'm wrong | 20:21 |
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| pa | itsnotabigtruck, finally :) | 20:28 |
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| heymaster-laptop | I think I will compile libsigon on mac without luck :) | 20:43 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: hey | 20:46 |
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| pa | itsnotabigtruck, let me recap here | 20:53 |
| pa | so i tried to do as you said, now i have in my /opt/myapp/bin/ a script called brightnessHandler.sh , that does what we said | 20:53 |
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| pa | i also modified my aegis manifest like this: | 20:54 |
| pa | http://codepad.org/uTikTe2Y | 20:54 |
| pa | but it still does not work :( | 20:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: hm | 21:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in what way does it not work | 21:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what if you do from the terminal | 21:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | /opt/myapp/bin/brightnessHandler.sh x | 21:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where x is the value | 21:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw is there some nokia-blessed way to control the brightness through other means | 21:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or is that blocked due to aegis | 21:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, also | 21:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | those two for lines have to go INSIDE the 1st request block | 21:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for always goes in request | 21:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also do: less /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf | 21:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | go to the end and see if it looks correct | 21:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's where your manifest xml gets transcribed | 21:07 |
| qwazix | How do you make a Qt app wait before close? For example while saving to disk. If you close rawcam too soon after capture, it doesn't save the shot. | 21:07 |
| qwazix | So I need to make it wait a bit before quitting, ideally without the user ever knowing | 21:08 |
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| pa | itsnotabigtruck, ok let me see | 21:09 |
| pa | (btw if i do that, i get permission denied on the "echo >" command inside the script) | 21:09 |
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| pa | and also, i now put those two lines inside, but thats how qtcreator generated the manifest | 21:11 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, no, in the restok.conf my brightnesshandler.sh does not appear | 21:12 |
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| pa | i moved that little block to the top, still it does not end into restok.conf | 21:17 |
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| teleshoes | hey | 21:18 |
| teleshoes | anyone know how to get man working on the n9? | 21:18 |
| pa | i was wondering that too | 21:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: oh, well, that permission denied = why it's not working | 21:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i highly doubt qt creator put the for lines outside of the request block | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think they got moved at some point when you were adding and removing the request | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: no idea, probably a lost cause | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even if you had man, there wouldn't be any man pages | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you'd have to reinstall everything inasmuch to add the man pages | 21:21 |
| teleshoes | man pages can be copied wholesale | 21:21 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, well now i put them back now, but it doesnt really make a difference | 21:21 |
| teleshoes | i want them mostly for gnu utils | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: are there any errors when you install the package | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and paste the restok section for your package | 21:22 |
| teleshoes | e.g.: to man find to see how to spell -print0 | 21:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | on gist.github.com | 21:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (NOT HERE OR IN QUERY) | 21:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hate it when people paste 50 line blocks of text in irc, it comes through one line at a time for minutes :p | 21:22 |
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| teleshoes | yea | 21:23 |
| pa | no error on installing | 21:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: keep in mind that find is busybox find, not gnu find | 21:24 |
| teleshoes | no | 21:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you copy in the gnu man pages, they won't match up | 21:24 |
| pa | the section on restok: http://codepad.org/mHoUiQnd | 21:24 |
| teleshoes | i use gnu find | 21:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | often dramatically so | 21:24 |
| teleshoes | busybox is nonsense | 21:25 |
| teleshoes | the very first thing i do when reflashing my device | 21:25 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: there's no section there for your script | 21:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no wonder it doesn't work | 21:25 |
| teleshoes | is run a script that gets all the gnu utils | 21:25 |
| teleshoes | less, find, grep, sed, awk | 21:25 |
| teleshoes | etc | 21:25 |
| pa | indeed | 21:25 |
| pa | and i dont get why | 21:25 |
| teleshoes | and sets it up so that the busybox ones do not get called | 21:25 |
| pa | coz i have that section in my manifest | 21:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: ok, fix the for lines and uninstall completely then reinstall | 21:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and install using dpkg -i at the terminal | 21:26 |
| pa | well that i already did | 21:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure how you're installing now but it might be concealing errors | 21:26 |
| pa | i can try to uninstall tho | 21:26 |
| pa | i install with dpkg -.i | 21:26 |
| teleshoes | busybox's find doesnt have execdir or print0... | 21:26 |
| teleshoes | => impossible to process the files lazily | 21:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: try using tr and xargs | 21:27 |
| teleshoes | except that requires fully completing the find | 21:27 |
| teleshoes | instead | 21:27 |
| teleshoes | i just use gnu find | 21:27 |
| teleshoes | which is wonderful | 21:27 |
| teleshoes | busybox is a truly great thing; its like a neat-and-complete mini-unix single executable | 21:28 |
| teleshoes | its small and has tiny footprints | 21:29 |
| teleshoes | runs fine on, say, televisions with extremely limited hardware | 21:29 |
| teleshoes | 1.0 GHZ, 1GB RAM | 21:29 |
| pa | so, fixed aegis, uninstalled, reinstalled. no error on installation. Here is my manifest and section in restok: http://codepad.org/mHoUiQnd | 21:29 |
| teleshoes | 64GB nonvolatile storage | 21:29 |
| pa | it somehow does not get there | 21:30 |
| pa | may it be due to the way i stuff the script into the directory? | 21:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: hold on, paste the error you get when you run the script | 21:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the entire error | 21:31 |
| pa | i do stuff the script via qmlapplicationviewer.pri, like this: http://codepad.org/NF4mpRFV | 21:32 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, the error is like this: | 21:32 |
| pa | /opt/meeTrainer/bin/brightnessHandler.sh: line 2: can't create /sys/devices/omapdss/display0/backlight/display0/brightness: Permission denied | 21:32 |
| pa | essentially, no permissions | 21:32 |
| pa | meaning, it doestn get the UID:.root credential | 21:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, i was afraid it might be a problem running the script itself | 21:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, don't use codepad for non-code | 21:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's intended specifically to compile and run standalone test programs | 21:33 |
| pa | ah ok, well i thought it was for everything :) | 21:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like int main() { printf("hello world!"); return 0; } kinda stuff | 21:34 |
| pa | yes | 21:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that snippet looks fine | 21:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think | 21:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't know much about qmake but it looks like it's probably ok | 21:34 |
| pa | well, i dont know if that matters for aegis anyway | 21:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | could you paste your current manifest again | 21:34 |
| pa | i mean, the file gets there | 21:34 |
| pa | yes i did just before | 21:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, the current problem is that it's not making it into restok.conf | 21:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but another problem would be if it never made it into refhashlist | 21:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which would be affected by how it's added to the package | 21:35 |
| pa | http://codepad.org/mHoUiQnd | 21:35 |
| pa | that was aegis + section in restok | 21:35 |
| pa | aha | 21:35 |
| pa | so taht might be the problem | 21:35 |
| pa | well.. i googled for how to stuff files into .debs via qmake/qtcreator | 21:36 |
| pa | thats what i found | 21:36 |
| pa | but maybe there are other ways? | 21:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i meant the manifest | 21:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that link is just the restok stuff | 21:36 |
| pa | hm? no | 21:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm wondering what the version that you're building into the package right now looks like | 21:36 |
| pa | that like is the manifest | 21:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, check it... | 21:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the manifest is the xml stuff | 21:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no xml in there | 21:37 |
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| pa | true.. weird | 21:38 |
| pa | anyway, here it is: | 21:38 |
| pa | http://pastebin.com/TP4nmnjF | 21:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 21:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | shit | 21:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you let qt creator trash your modified manifest | 21:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it deleted the second request | 21:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | delete that comment block and the word autogenerateaegisfile | 21:39 |
| pa | hm | 21:39 |
| pa | ok | 21:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then add the second request block after </reuqest> | 21:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also there's no need for the setxid | 21:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also make sure to tweak the first request block so it exactly matches what your app needs | 21:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that can be dealt with later | 21:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the immediate need is to make that script work | 21:41 |
| pa | well yes that i already did | 21:41 |
| pa | i added Location, for example | 21:41 |
| pa | and it ends in restok | 21:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, wait a minute | 21:41 |
| pa | im not sure what i have to do now, is my manifest not ok? | 21:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i just looked again and it has your request block in there | 21:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, so, first | 21:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a) delete that gigantic comment at the top | 21:41 |
| pa | done | 21:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | b) IMPORTANT: delete the AutoGenerateAegisFile line | 21:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | c) IMPORTANT: change the policy for the script to "set" | 21:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the not-inheritable will break it | 21:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because it's a script | 21:42 |
| pa | setxid is not needed? | 21:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no, that was only needed for the other plan | 21:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | setxid in this case won't hurt but won't help | 21:43 |
| pa | ok lets try this way | 21:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it causes the real UID not to be changed when you add a UID or GID credential | 21:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which allows you to use setreuid and setregid to switch back and forth between UIDs and GIDs | 21:44 |
| pa | ah now i see | 21:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it might be good to change the policy for your main app from add to set not-inheritable | 21:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but do that later, don't want to break things more than necessary right now | 21:45 |
| pa | i think something has changed | 21:46 |
| pa | but i think i have to put the first block last | 21:46 |
| pa | with the set i mean | 21:46 |
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| pa | it got there! | 21:51 |
| pa | let see if it works! | 21:52 |
| pa | yeah!!! | 21:52 |
| pa | thank you so much!!! | 21:52 |
| pa | hope you can profit from my app too :) | 21:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | cool, good to see it's working | 21:56 |
| pa | : )) | 21:57 |
| pa | by the way, do you by chance know whether there are devices left to give as prize for something? | 21:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: i believe so, for the coding competition only | 21:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe you could enter this app in that competition | 21:59 |
| CreamyG31337 | what you make, pa? | 21:59 |
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| pa | its a sportstracker alike app | 22:02 |
| pa | but way better, at least than the meego version :) | 22:02 |
| qwazix | New ρcam out :), rzr, ZogG_laptop, many thanks | 22:02 |
| pa | (which, honestly, sucks just so hard) | 22:02 |
| pa | but im not sure i should participate to the coding competition | 22:02 |
| CreamyG31337 | cool | 22:02 |
| qwazix | pa, of course you should | 22:02 |
| CreamyG31337 | well u might as well, why not? | 22:02 |
| pa | maybe by making it cost like 1$ it would be easier to get my N9 back | 22:02 |
| pa | if i wasnt stolen one, i wouldnt care | 22:03 |
| qwazix | pa, one doesn't exclude the other... | 22:03 |
| CreamyG31337 | oh, everything has to be open source in competition? | 22:03 |
| pa | i dont know,.. but i supposed so | 22:03 |
| CreamyG31337 | you can still put it in the store for a $1 | 22:03 |
| qwazix | even if it's open you can put in store. Most people don't bother to download sources and build | 22:04 |
| CreamyG31337 | not very many people would try to bypass that | 22:04 |
| CreamyG31337 | yeah usually the ones that do, couldn't afford the dollar or have no credit card or whatever | 22:04 |
| qwazix | and even paid apps are being pirated anyway and are available in the first page of google results, so even if you upload the deb @tmo you probably wont lose much clients | 22:04 |
| qwazix | (you may even gain some) | 22:04 |
| qwazix | You can also keep some features for paid version only | 22:05 |
| pa | hm | 22:05 |
| pa | good idea | 22:05 |
| pa | maybe i can make the pro version for 1¼ | 22:06 |
| pa | 1$ | 22:06 |
| pa | with some added feat | 22:06 |
| qwazix | My contactLaunch uses that kind of "marketing" | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ugh, i hate ovi paid apps | 22:06 |
| pa | thats why i was hoping to get a device via the program :) | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | can't even buy them if i want to without jumping through hoops | 22:06 |
| CreamyG31337 | well u can't hate if the source is open too | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a lot of open source + paid apps are hard/impossible to build from the provided source, that's the thing | 22:07 |
| qwazix | itsnotabigtruck, don't you have carrier billing were you are? | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | esp if you don't have qt creator | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can't build a qt creator project easily without qt creator | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because of the packaging stuff | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i do, which is the problem | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they lock out credit card billing if your carrier wants carrier billing (and therefore a cut of the action) | 22:08 |
| qwazix | really? I have both available | 22:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this is with at&t | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in order to pay with a credit card and therefore not bill the accountholder, it's necessary to go into flight mode, turn on wifi, get on a wifi network, and restart the store | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then it'll let you pay by credit card | 22:10 |
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| CreamyG31337 | wow | 22:11 |
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| CreamyG31337 | AT&T: Connecting you to your world, and then making you disconnect. | 22:12 |
| qwazix | When I hear about AT&T I like teasing people with the fact that all contracts here are 1 year, all phones are unlocked and there is rarely any carrier branding :) | 22:15 |
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| CreamyG31337 | :( | 22:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i asked to turn off billing system at all | 23:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | trx: i can't hide keyboard in your editor =\ and when it's open i can't scroll | 23:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | with finger and not on side as on side it jumps to far and fast | 23:21 |
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