IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-07-23

ajalkanedjszapi_: I own Canonical shares, so speculating might make me some big bucks.00:00
ptlajalkane: Ubuntu for Android is almost in production. If a whole ubuntu system that can even run android apps is about to be released, I think it will not be much more before you can use these same phones to use ubuntu only. It that is possible in a phone that has ubuntu for android I'll adopt it00:00
tehdelyit is nice to have a phone that's actually gnu/linux under the hood00:00
tehdelynot just a linux kernel and the world's slowest JVM ;)00:00
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djszapi_ajalkane: or bankrupt :D00:00
ptldjszapi_: I understand that they can have some mistake of projects, but nevertheless they add a nice layer of flexibility to the phone00:00
tehdelyubuntu for android is, i admit, promising00:00
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tehdelyit's the first thing that ever made me pay attention to android as something i might possibly one day use00:01
tehdelyinstead of as an example of how not to build a useable OS00:01
djszapi_ptl: qnx adds way more flexibility than the linux kernel00:01
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ajalkaneptl: ok, I don't know much about Ubuntu on android so I might be full of shit... But I think that's totally different than the "Ubuntu phone".00:01
djszapi_just a random example: drivers are developed in userspace.00:01
tehdelydjszapi_: i thought torvalds/tanenbaum finished off this debate 15 years ago ;)00:01
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ptlajalkane: either way, I will evaluate whatever is in the market at that time. :-)00:01
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djszapi_tehdely: huh ?00:02
tehdelymicrokernel vs. monolithic00:02
djszapi_tehdely: it is not a debate, it is a fact, yes still a fact nowadays like 15 years ago00:02
ptlI don't think it's settled00:02
ptlI'd consider it still a debate00:02
tehdelysomeone needs to make a phone running the HURD :D00:02
ajalkaneptl: true that sir, same for me. Before the Jolla business I was prepared to wait 5 years using N9 until Ubuntu phone or something else excitement worthy comes out ;)00:02
djszapi_ptl: it is a fact that drivers are developed in user space00:02
djszapi_if you say it is not, you lie.00:02
tehdelyyes it is a "fact"00:03
tehdelybut how much actual flexibility does it really buy00:03
tehdelyok, they're developed in user space instead of being kernel loadable modules00:03
djszapi_a lot00:03
tehdelybfd... what has that actually changed00:03
djszapi_the development time?00:03
djszapi_and clear separation?00:03
djszapi_clearly separated layers?00:04
djszapi_better maintainability?00:04
tehdelythen bb10 should be ahead of schedule ;)00:04
djszapi_well, I have not been a sysadmin, but developed kernel drivers for years for both kernels.00:04
ptlI don't doubt QNX technical excellence00:04
ptlneither I will engage in this decades-old debate00:04
ptlI just want something more Unix-like and flexible for my own needs.00:05
djszapi_there is no "debate" for me.00:05
ptlWhich are, admittedly, very different from common people.00:05
djszapi_well, depends00:05
tehdelyptl: and for us there is N9, and some day hopefully soon, Jolla00:05
ptlok, it's not a debate for you, I got it00:05
djszapi_Linux was the "common" in Finland I guess :D00:05
ptltehdely: yes, that's it00:05
tehdelyi am not abandoning nokia, mind you.  when they ship a windows 8 phone w/ pureview sensor that will be my next 'pleasure' phone00:05
tehdelybut my next 'business' phone will prly be jolla00:05
djszapi_I do not give a cent to Jolla.00:06
tehdelyhow about a bitcoin00:06
djszapi_it is based on Mer done by few people in leisure time00:06
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: they don't want your software ?00:06
tehdelywell let's see if they can ship00:06
djszapi_way more resource at Canonical or RIM00:06
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: actually Mer guys works with them together =)00:06
tehdelyare there any jolla ppl in this channel btw?00:07
ZogG_laptoptehdely: yes00:07
ZogG_laptopnot me00:07
tehdelydjszapi_: bb10 is promising, but i also need to see them ship00:07
djszapi_I doubt few enthusiast and skilled guy can take up the competition with Canonical or RIM.00:08
tehdelyat least i would be switching from one arrogant, imperious company to another arrogant, imperious company00:08
djszapi_tehdely: well, many people have dev phones, already.00:08
tehdelyand frankly i do think i like the abuse00:08
ptlI don't care about brands, I care about being able to order my phone to do what I want to do. Nokia, Jolla, Canonical to me are just fantasy names...00:08
tehdelymy customer relationship w/ nokia is very abusive and goes through the known cycles of tension, abuse, and reconciliation00:08
tehdelyi think i like it00:08
tehdelyi can only switch to a similarly abusive company00:08
ptlhatred & love00:08
tehdelynokia hits me cause they love me00:09
tehdelyanyhow i am just chatting here to put off work00:09
tehdelyi was just assigned to the jury on a 4-6 week trial and i'm the only sysadmin at my office00:09
tehdelyso they need me to do tons of documentation and fix a lot of stuff in the backlog, since i'll be unavail 4 days a week00:10
tehdelyhave not made much progress :P00:10
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: that' why we need to support those00:10
djszapi_tehdely: so you are also biking daily?00:10
ptlsamehere,I've got tasks to do. I am logged in to my work intranet00:10
ptlbut I lack the motivation00:10
djszapi_ZogG_laptop: no, thanks.00:10
tehdelydjszapi_: i was until thursday00:10
tehdelywhen i fell off the damn thing and tore something in my shoulder00:10
tehdelyi'll be back in the saddle in a week or so, orthopedist permitting...00:11
djszapi_tehdely: ouch, I wish the best, dude.00:11
tehdelyha, thanks.00:11
tehdelyi haven't gotten MRIed yet so it's possible it's just really bad bruising, but i'm taking it easy00:11
tehdelyit's actually a good thing i'll be sitting in a jury box 4 days a week00:11
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ajalkaneI hope it's some patent troll you're delivering some justice unto.00:12
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djszapi_ajalkane: you are not biking, but drinking daily, right lol00:14
ajalkanedjszapi_: I wish. Actually I was biking today, god save me.00:15
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djszapi_oh, I have almost 30k downloads00:18
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ZogG_laptopi only have 709 ownloads00:19
ajalkanehmm really? What's thy application? I'll put it to 710 downloads like a boss.00:21
ZogG_laptopajalkane: imgrup00:21
rzrdjszapi_, here it is00:21
djszapi_rzr: I was wrong, I do not need those packages in fact00:22
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rzrare you joking00:22
ajalkaneZogG_laptop: Challenge accepted, mission accomplished.00:22
djszapi_rzr: yes :D00:22
qwazixdjszapi_, what app00:22
rzrdjszapi_,  anyway well you owe me a vote
ZogG_laptoprzr: btw can you build libs for xmms2. i want to make remote client00:22
rzrdjszapi_, please fill the “Community QA” form on this page00:22
djszapi_rzr: I do not vote ever00:22
rzrdjszapi_, ok then i discard my files00:23
djszapi_rzr: you can, I backed them up already :p00:23
ZogG_laptoprzr: it is still in twsting?00:23
djszapi_qwazix: kde-edu apps00:23
djszapi_kanagram and khangman00:23
djszapi_the crapreview-reader is not done yet00:24
ZogG_laptoprzr: mine too, as my friend voted without setting first option to "V"00:24
pasorry for the lame question, what aegis capa do i need to write to /sys/devices/omapdss/display0/backlight/display0/brightness ?00:24
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qwazixdjszapi_, apps4meego?00:25
djszapi_pa: check syslog00:25
djszapi_qwazix: no, thanks.00:25
qwazixthen where?00:25
djszapi_qwazix: it might sound weird, but I have put them into Ovi.00:26
pachecked, i see no error when i try to do that00:26
jonnipa: UID::root, so no aegis capa needed, unless you count root as aegis capa00:26
rzrZogG, i'll need some help for xmms00:26
djszapi_pa: if there are no errors, what is the problem ?00:26
qwazixdjszapi_, why weird?00:26
djszapi_qwazix: I was sarcastic...00:26
djszapi_did not think, it is not the default concept for apps...00:26
djszapi_on Harmattan...00:26
pajonni, thats true, but someone here told me that i dont really need to be root, it's enough having a capability00:26
djszapi_for certain people..00:27
qwazixgenerally it is but around here ovi gets a bit of bashing00:27
pajonni, otherwise, the problem is that at every phone reboot the permissions of that file get resetted00:27
djszapi_pa: again, what is the error message?00:27
qwazix(and if you ask me, I would prefer a community driven app repo. Ovi might go away any day)00:27
itsnotabigtruckpa: cap::dac_override lets you write to anything anywhere00:27
itsnotabigtruckbut in general aegis doesn't deal with file permissions00:27
jonnipa: resetted? permissions are alwasy root:root rw-r-r. or are you fucking with the file permissions?00:28
djszapi_qwazix: afm did not come here any day00:28
itsnotabigtruckyour app just needs to have the right user and groups to satisfy the permission (dac) checks00:28
djszapi_qwazix: it is a toy stuff00:28
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itsnotabigtruckthe normal linux ones that is00:28
djszapi_sys is set up on boot00:28
padjszapi_, permission denied00:28
djszapi_pa for what operation?00:28
qwazixdjszapi_, now you're one download closer to the 30K mark :)00:28
pajonni, i changed them from root00:28
djszapi_qwazix: :)00:29
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi_: a file write, like he already asked00:29
pabut if i reboot, the rw r r is resetted00:29
jonnipa: so your changed it so that system cannot access it, so are you trying to break that system cannot change brigthess?00:29
paitsnotabigtruck, ah great, i try thanks!00:29
djszapi_pa: well, it is usual00:29
djszapi_sysfs is set up on boot00:29
djszapi_pa: so what are you trying to do?00:29
djszapi_for which you are getting the permission denied00:29
pai am trying to write to that file from normal user00:29
pai thought it was simple :)ù00:29
itsnotabigtruckpa: run your app as root, but if it's a gui app, then it won't start00:30
itsnotabigtruckone approach you could use is put policy="set setxid" in your aegis request00:30
pacap::dac_override you tell me does the trick?00:30
itsnotabigtruckalong with <credential name="UID::root" />00:30
itsnotabigtruckthen when your app starts, you immediately use setreuid to switch the UIDs00:30
djszapi_pa: you cannot request dac override00:31
itsnotabigtruckwhich makes your app run as user00:31
djszapi_why would you even ever try that?00:31
pai just need to change the brightness from my app00:31
panothing more than that00:31
djszapi_so run a script from your user app00:31
jonnipa: then just use UID::root00:31
itsnotabigtruckthen, when you need to modify the brightness00:31
djszapi_with root privileges00:31
djszapi_for that00:31
itsnotabigtruckexchange the UIDs again and do the right00:32
itsnotabigtruckpa: see above00:32
payes im trying to glue the steps and understand :)00:32
djszapi_pa: just use a one liner script00:33
djszapi_with root privileges00:33
payou mean a compiled exe? or can i have a script owned by root in my .deb?00:34
rzrdjszapi_ or anyone can you please fill the “Community QA” form on this page00:34
djszapi_it does not really matter who owns that00:34
djszapi_you can grant UID::root for that as jonni said00:34
rzrit just needs one review00:34
djszapi_and you can run that one liner script with system, QProcess what not00:34
djszapi_pa: does not need to be executable, no.00:35
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djszapi_rzr: I do not use redak, so cannot00:35
jonnipa: int olduid=getuid();setuid(0);system("echo number > file);setuid(olduid); # simplified00:36
rzrdjszapi_, u can make a lil effort too :)00:36
djszapi_ah yeah, jonni is right00:37
djszapi_you do not even need a separate script for this00:37
djszapi_since it is just an echo00:37
djszapi_though, I dislike setuid/getuid00:37
djszapi_so I would still go for a script00:37
djszapi_nobody knows if those keep granted with an update00:38
djszapi_manifest file will be working fine further on.00:38
itsnotabigtruckpa: though don't EVER do system("stuff") like that00:38
djszapi_also, not sure it worked with each update either.00:38
itsnotabigtrucki mean, except in specific situations maybe00:38
djszapi_manifest file seems a more robust way00:38
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djszapi_rzr: no, I cannot atm.00:39
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi_: doing a set(re)uid doesn't require setuid access if the uid you're setting is the real or effective00:39
djszapi_I need to make "little effort"s for others.00:39
itsnotabigtruckby using the setxid policy mode, you retain the user uid as the real uid and root as the effective uid00:39
paok i think i got it now :)00:39
palet me try00:39
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itsnotabigtruckthat way you can use setreuid to interchange the uids and gain/drop access when needed00:40
itsnotabigtruckhowever, it's important in that case that the app be launched as user, not root00:40
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djszapi_it is a hack00:40
djszapi_the aegis-way is the manifest00:40
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djszapi_and I am unsure if it is gonna work this way with all the releases.00:40
itsnotabigtruckwhat i'm saying is the aegis way00:40
itsnotabigtruckand it works with all releases00:41
djszapi_forbids and permits came and went.00:41
djszapi_the manifest way was always the same.00:41
djszapi_no, it is not.00:41
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djszapi_the interface is manifest for getting distinct uids.00:41
itsnotabigtruckthe setuid behavior i'm talking about applies to all linux kernels and is outside of aegis' purview00:41
djszapi_you will know better this than how we designed :)00:42
qwazix_my computer has gone mad... first it freezes and needs reboot, then xchat crashes when I try to join #maemo...00:42
djszapi_(just as usual)00:42
ajalkaneanyone know why the applauncherd priviledge escalation still works with PR1.3? Did Nokia decide that fixing it would cripple too many useful applications and let it stay?00:43
djszapi_ajalkane: 1.3 is a toy release.00:44
djszapi_we had 1-2 bugs to work on?00:44
djszapi_since it is a very core part of the system00:44
djszapi_any bigger changes would have gone haywire and full of regressions.00:44
ajalkanedjszapi_: so it was not fixed because it could have caused big regressions, and there was no interest in using much funds on this?00:45
djszapi_ajalkane: you do realize Harmattan was killed one and half a years ago soon00:46
djszapi_by PR1.3 we hardly had people working.00:46
djszapi_no architect, whatsoever.00:46
djszapi_no lead developers, etc for obvious reasons.00:47
ajalkaneOf course... but I'm still interested if there's any reasons behind leaving such bugs unfixed00:47
djszapi_manpower leak, risk, etc?00:47
ajalkaneBecause obviously there's been development00:47
djszapi_Aren't those beating themselves enough?00:47
ajalkaneSure they're good enough reasons00:47
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djszapi_pa: so if you wanna play nice with the aegis design, you request those via the manifest00:48
djszapi_if you do not care about it can break anytime, go ahead with inline code stuff00:48
djszapi_for these things with aegis in place, the manifest was designed for interface.00:48
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djszapi_we do not take guarantee for anything lower-level, just like the undocumented qt macros, features etc.00:49
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djszapi_though, we did not probably break anything underneath, but I do not know, if that was always the case.00:50
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djszapi_not to mention, there is a C API for all this.00:51
djszapi_system, QProcess are very hackish for this00:51
djszapi_I would rather use QFile with open, write, close00:51
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djszapi_rzr: is the redak a cool stuff?00:54
paso, what i did is: modify the aegis this way:   ; then having a "setuid(29999);" as first instruction in the main(), then having a setuid(0); //my system echo stuff; setuid(29999); when i want to do the changing00:55
pabut it doesnt seem to work00:55
itsnotabigtruckpa: you can't make two requests for one file00:56
itsnotabigtruckand you shouldn't hardcode that uid 29999 either00:56
itsnotabigtruckchange the policy="add" at the top to policy="add setxid"00:56
rzrdjszapi_, i can be helpful ... but i fear this is not best mankind achievement00:56
paah ok, didnt know :)00:56
itsnotabigtruckremove the second request00:56
itsnotabigtruckbut move the UID::root into the first request00:56
pathank you00:56
itsnotabigtruckpa: then use code like this00:58
itsnotabigtruckto swap the uids00:58
itsnotabigtruckexcept get rid of the second part that does the group ids00:58
itsnotabigtruckthen what you'd do is flip once when you launch00:59
itsnotabigtruckthen when you change the brightness00:59
itsnotabigtruckflip, change, flip00:59
itsnotabigtruckmaybe the script approach is a better idea01:00
djszapi_I would not make a script01:01
djszapi_I would use the api established for this purpose - POSIX C01:01
djszapi_or if I was a high-level Qt guy, then just simply QFile01:01
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi_: if you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk01:01
itsnotabigtruckall you're doing is preventing pa from solving his problem01:01
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djszapi_like I have managed all these things for the pandaboard: gpio, powersave mode, led control, ec01:01
djszapi_writing the procfs directly.01:02
itsnotabigtruckthere's only 3 ways to do this, and 1 of them requires inception01:02
djszapi_no, it does not01:02
itsnotabigtruckand you don't like the other two01:02
djszapi_inception is a crap01:02
djszapi_for end users01:02
itsnotabigtruckthe entire issue is that a qml program can't start as root01:02
djszapi_you are basically trying to know better what we designed, and how we designed. That kinda bugs me, I need to admit.01:02
itsnotabigtruckbut you have to be root to write this file01:02
itsnotabigtruckit's a catch-2201:02
djszapi_I clearly said, what the solution should be01:03
itsnotabigtruckfor someone who was involved in designing this thing, you're astonishingly ignorant about its design01:03
djszapi_you misdrove him.01:03
djszapi_because you think, you know better, how we designed.01:03
djszapi_system and QProcess should be used carefully, and I do not see the need in this case, that is the other totally wrong approach.01:04
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djszapi_there are established APIs for this.01:04
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi_: because system and qprocess do NOTHING to solve permission problems...01:05
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itsnotabigtrucknor qfile nor any other qt apis01:05
djszapi_I told the nice solution ahlf an hour ago01:05
djszapi_from aegis design pov01:06
macmaNnice firefox os running n9:
djszapi_I revealed a borked design decision: system (that he got as a suggestion)01:06
djszapi_so basically just two big design pitfals, but sure go ahead: mislead him.01:06
paitsnotabigtruck, so, i tried to do that way, meaning fixing the aegis file, then adding the modified trinst_xid_swap(), calling it once in main, and then twice when i want to do the brightness changing, but it still seems it doesnt work01:13
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djszapi_pa: good luck01:13
djszapi_if you need my help with fixing this nicely, you can find me in private. I keep that option open.01:14
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pathanks :)01:17
itsnotabigtruckpa: hmmmm01:17
pai guess i better go to sleep now tho.. hope tomorrow i'll find some time to fix it :)01:17
itsnotabigtrucki think the script approach would probably be better, really01:17
itsnotabigtruckthe script approach is where you make a script like01:17
itsnotabigtruckecho "$1" > /sys/foo01:17
itsnotabigtruckthen you edit the manifest and add a second request that gives UID::root to the script only01:18
paah i see01:18
pacould try yes01:18
itsnotabigtruckand take UID::root off the 1st request01:18
itsnotabigtruckthen your app runs the script using qprocess when it needs to01:18
paqprocess... = system?01:18
ajalkaneIs QProcess enough or do you need to use aegis-exec so that the priviledges are correctly assigned?01:19
itsnotabigtruckspecifically this function will do nicely
itsnotabigtruckdon't use system01:19
itsnotabigtruckbut they do roughly similar things01:20
itsnotabigtruckajalkane: nah, qprocess is enough01:20
itsnotabigtruckanyway, then get rid of any of the changes you made to accomodate that uid swapping thing i suggested before01:21
payes, true01:21
itsnotabigtruckalso if you're using qt creator, it's important that you install the script into a path that contains bin01:21
itsnotabigtruckbecause qt creator sucks01:21
payes i unfortunately use it01:22
itsnotabigtruckso e.g. /opt/yourapp/bin/something = ok, /usr/bin/something = ok, /usr/lib/yourapp/something = *not* ok01:22
paand i was already wondering how to make the script end in that dir01:22
itsnotabigtruck/opt/yourapp/something = also not ok01:22
itsnotabigtruckas for how to make it end up there, pretty sure you can tweak your pro files to do that01:23
payeah, have to read about it, anyway thanks for the help!01:26
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ajalkaneI'm about to hit the bed, good night!01:29
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heymaster-laptopI'm creating new elements for my ListVIEW. Host host = Host(title, hostname, username, port) ; << I need to use NEW operator to alloc memory ?01:44
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heymaster-laptopyeah it worked01:56
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heymaster-laptop << I answeared my question by my own if anyone interested.02:00
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Venemoheymaster-laptop, can I ask what app is that?02:19
heymaster-laptopVenemo: at least for now I have only ListView and possability to add new row. I don't know if finish this app.02:20
heymaster-laptopVenemo: yes02:20
heymaster-laptopVenemo: << I'm trying to port my iPhone app.02:21
heymaster-laptopBut with basic functionaly02:22
VenemoI see02:23
Venemonice :)02:23
gabriel9Nice app02:23
heymaster-laptopnothing special :)02:23
gabriel9and usefull02:23
gabriel9well for us who have some servers it is nice02:24
heymaster-laptopI talked with one guru admin he said don't write such app, because all admins using Nagios or similar software02:25
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gabriel9writing apps is good practice02:26
gabriel9so in any case you should write it02:26
gabriel9i have so many plans and apps in draft02:28
gabriel9but no time :(02:28
gabriel9full time job sometimes is really unproductive :D02:28
heymaster-laptopgood to you02:28
gabriel9it is nice02:28
gabriel9good nigh, 5h untill job start02:29
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heymaster-laptopwould be bad if you haven't any ideas :)02:29
heymaster-laptopbye :)02:29
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ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: so how is it going with app?02:31
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: the app on iphone is yours?02:33
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ZogG_laptopgabriel9: you just went to sleep, haven't you?02:33
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: as i said have listview and functionality to add new row02:35
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: yes, it's my app02:35
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: that app is connecting to server right? i forgot the name02:36
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heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: yes02:36
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: maybe you can use more qml + javascript than? it would be easier?02:36
ZogG_laptopas well you can try to search for libs or apps wit hsimiluar functions to use them as examples?02:37
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: thanks. but now i understood how to make things. atleast show listview and new rows02:37
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: what's the point ?02:37
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: everything is ok02:38
heymaster-laptopread code is harder than write. at least for me02:39
ZogG_laptopfor me too, but when i use it and than play with it i start to understand what was done and than i can write myself similuar things02:40
heymaster-laptopyes, read code is the way to master programming02:41
ZogG_laptopnot really02:43
ZogG_laptopthere are languages i do understand most of code but can't write it myself02:43
ZogG_laptopbut i'm mostly loser and maybe can't be an example02:43
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heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: +/- :)02:48
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mehranMicroby this command i can overcome boot looping flasher --set-rd-flags=life-guard03:40
mehranMicrois its solution?03:41
mehranMicroor it is not standard solution?03:41
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teleshoesanyonw know: why doesnt nohup work in meego-terminal?04:26
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teleshoes'& disown' works fine04:27
teleshoesbut that needs bash04:27
teleshoesmeego-terminal => nohup mplayer song.mp3 & => close term => music stops04:27
teleshoesmeego-terminal => mplayer song.mp3 & disown => close term => music merrily continues04:28
teleshoesam i missing something?04:28
ZogG_laptopteleshoes: use screen04:31
teleshoesis it in the repos?04:32
teleshoesi cant find it04:34
ZogG_laptopi think someone built it04:35
ZogG_laptopi bet sreen is somewhere out too04:37
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NamekDoes someone knows what do I need in my aegis file to create a dbus interface?08:09
mehranMicroby this command i can overcome boot looping flasher --set-rd-flags=life-guard08:16
mehranMicrois its solution?08:16
mehranMicroor it is not standard solution?08:16
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PaliHi, I received my n950. I connected it to WIFI it shown me that OTA update is available. I clicked on it and app manager starter downloading ant then installing. After some time screen was black and only Nokia logo was visible. I wait 2 hours but nothing happened. Then I turned device off and on and only Nokia logo was shown and system not started...09:41
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PaliWhat can I do? It this n950 shit device where updating via app manager not working?09:41
japhI'll buy it if that would make you feel better09:43
japhwhat exactly was that update?09:43
Palijaph, OTA for system update09:43
PaliI do not remember SW version09:44
Palijaph, is there any problems with system update via WIFI?09:44
japhmm, I had sort of the same issue when I first tried to update to ... 1.1 iirc09:45
Palion n900 I did not got any problems...09:45
Paliwhat is last version FW for n950?09:45
japhgrab 1.2 and flash it yourself, it'll most likely fix everything09:46
japhuhm afaik 1.2 though some people claim to use 1.3 :p09:46
Paliand correct steps for flashing? I saw on forums that flasher some times failed and refused flashing...09:46
japhyes, sure09:47
japhI wrote a bruteforce script09:47
Palijaph, and what is that your script doing?09:48
Palitry flash more times?09:48
Paliand how to flash n950?09:49
Paliusing oneclickflasher or harmattan flasher from
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japhplease read what it does so you don't blame me for dead kittens later today09:49
Palijaph, ok only try more times flash (+ unload phonet kernel drivers)09:50
japhthat have worked for me the 3 times I've had to flash it09:50
japhit was sort of the same with n900 too btw09:51
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PaliDocScrutinizer, hi10:09
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Palijaph, now I downloaded both pr1.1 & pr1.2 firmware10:18
Palijaph, are there any problems which can be visible after flashing?10:19
Palion nokia site is info that it is not possible to downgrade...10:19
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jonniyes you cannot downgrade to pr1.1 once you have flashed pr1.210:21
Palijonni, problem is that I did not know which version was before OTA update10:24
Paliare there any disadvantages to pr1.2 update?10:25
jonniPali: doesnt matter, you just flash the pr1.2 beta10:25
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Palijonni, first I need to know what happened when device tried OTA update10:27
Paliwhy this brick my device...10:28
jonniPali: most likely you pressed powerbutton too early, sometimes it takes 3-4hours for it to install.10:28
jonniPali: if you press powerbutton it bricks the device10:28
jonniPali: most people are impatient and press powerbutton after seeing nokia logo for 30mins10:29
Palijonni, when was Nokia logo visible device was in flash process?10:29
jonniwhich causes brick10:29
Palijonni, so it does not show any message that device is in flash process? (only nokia logo?)10:31
jonniwell I dont remember when it was visible, I just remember that you should never press powerbutton when doing ota update, it boots to grid after xx hours of updating.10:31
jonniit doesnt show any messages10:31
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Palin900 show small progressbar when nolo & x-loader & cmt FW was upgrating via OTA10:31
Palijonni, ok thanks for info!10:32
jonniprogressbar is only shown when using flasher command.10:32
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jonniota doesnt snow bar.10:32
mehranMicrojonni:after i entered these commands my N9 boots but with wrench icon and then i enter in terminal:10:34
mehranMicrocd /etc/network10:34
mehranMicrols -l interfaces10:34
mehranMicrocp interfaces.old interfaces10:34
mehranMicroand last command:10:34
mehranMicroflasher --clear-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset --disable-rd-mode10:34
mehranMicrobut it back to reboot loop i didnt do any more please help me please10:34
Palijonni, ok10:34
Palijonni, need I flash also emmc.bin image or only img.bin?10:35
jonnioneclickflasher includes both, so dont worry about it10:35
Palibut emmc image erase my data?10:35
Palijonni, is flashing emmc.bin needed? (I unpacked FW from oneclickflasher)10:36
Palion n900 emmc is only flashing MyDocs where are data & backups...10:37
jonniyes usually its good idea to flash pr1.2 emmc when flashing pr1.2 image, you dont need to flash emmc if you already were on pr1.2, but as you said that you dont know which you were on10:37
jonniif you were already on pr1.2 then you dont need to flash emmc10:37
Palijonni, I got my n950 last week (from CA program)10:38
jonniif I remember right  "flasher -i" will tell you your current sw version10:38
PaliFound device RM-680, hardware revision 1124 NOLO version 2.0.37 Version of 'sw-release': DFL61_HARMATTAN_1.2011.22-6_PR_RM68010:39
jonnisome CA program devices were on beta0, so its a good idea to do full reflash with emmc.10:39
jonnithats PR1.010:39
Palijonni, it is possible to create some backup before flashing?10:40
Pali(e.g contacts)10:40
mankeliPali: use n950 rescue firmware, it mounts whole emmc as usb storage10:40
Palimankeli, can you give me link?10:41
jonniif device doesnt bootup then contacts backup is most likely no, unless you have exported vcards to device earlier, in that case you can use rescue kernel.10:41
mankelilet me google that for you10:41
jonniand rescue kernel is good for backing up pics and stuff10:41
Paliseems that infobot is not working here...10:42
mankelibut after that you must reflash rootfs again to get out from open mode10:42
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Palimankeli, I loaded initfs & kernel from that link but not working...10:45
Palilsusb do not show any device10:45
Paliand in dmesg is no too (on computer)10:45
mankelireboot the device10:47
mankeliflasher connects to the bootloader10:48
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tsdgeosI'm having this on flashing my N950
Palimankeli, I pressed power button until led was off, then I started flasher and plugged usb10:48
tsdgeosAnd the phone boots but fails to detect the sim card10:49
tsdgeosis it bricked ?10:49
jonnitsdgeos: partial logs, hard to say.10:49
tsdgeosjonni: that's all the log10:49
tsdgeosjonni: unless you want the thing before "erasing..."10:49
jonniwhen you paste stuff, you really should give full log starting with sudo flasher.10:50
jonniall the lines before erasing etc are important10:50
tsdgeosjonni: there you go
Palistupid, question, but how can I charge battery on n950 when system is dead (only flasher is working) ?10:51
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jonniPali: flasher charges it automaticly to 11% before flashing10:52
Palion n900 was this impossible because bme was spawned by upstart init daemon... so only solution was to charge battery in other device/charger10:52
Palijonni, ok, this looks better :-)10:52
jonnitsdgeos: that log looks like that you have flasher china variant at some point, and then trying going back to global variant, which will always fail if china has been flashed10:53
Palijonni, but I still did not see usb mass storage device when rescue was booted10:53
jonnitsdgeos: page clearly warns that china variant cannot be flashed back to global variant.10:54
Palijonni, seems that after I load rescue it turn off my device...10:54
Arkenoidamn, screen rot is expanding :-( looks like it is going to be my first Nokia smartphone for 14 years that failed irrecoverably :-(10:54
Palijonni, and when I run flasher -i (it stop in bootloader) is then phone charging?10:57
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jonniPali: yes it should be charning then too, (you should see a small breathing while led on one of the corners of the device)10:58
PaliI wait about 5 minutes but rescue system did not exported anything via usb10:59
PaliI restarted it again10:59
Paliand it show USB icon11:00
jonnimight be that rescue kernel only started to work on Pr1.1, I dont remember if it worked on pr1.0beta yet.11:00
Paliand led sometimes blink11:00
jonnithat means that its charging11:00
Paliso maybe open mode is not with pr1.0 x-loader & nolo?11:01
jonniI dont remember, open mode should work even on pr1.0 though.11:02
Paliok, I first wait until battery charge11:02
Paliand then I will continue...11:02
Palijonni, I saw on this post that n950 flasher support backup CAL partition:
PaliI downloaded harmattan flasher, but that option is missing...11:05
Paliso is there flasher which support it?11:05
Arkenoin950 screen is better than n9, but making them non-swappable turned out to be bad idea :-(11:06
jonniPali: that is only supported on R&D cert devices and on internal flasher. that command is not avail for normal end users.11:09
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jabislol - I had a dream I solved my problem, but as I waked up I couldn't remember how x)11:12
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tsdgeosjonni: sorry, my electric power decided to die, not sure if you could see something from the full log i pasted11:17
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jonnitsdgeos: that log looks like that you have flasher china variant at some point, and then trying going back to global variant, which will always fail if china has been flashed11:24
jonnitsdgeos: page clearly warns that china variant cannot be flashed back to global variant.11:24
tsdgeosjonni: i never did that otoh11:24
tsdgeosjonni: what i did my mistake was update to the n9 kernel by playing with the apt sources11:25
jonnitsdgeos: well thats what the log usually looks like when global variant is tried to be flashed on top of china mcusw. if you never had china variant, then one thing that you can try is to extract that oneclick flasher and do:  sudo ./flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure11:26
jonniif that doesnt help then the apt-sources experiment has bricked your cellular modem.11:26
tsdgeosjonni: ok, i'll try that11:27
tsdgeosbut i guess it may very well be that the modem is dead11:27
tsdgeossince the phone boots fine11:27
jonniofcourse you can still flash just kernel and rootfs with --flash-only=rootfs,kernel so you would still get device which boots, but phonecalls might not work11:27
tsdgeosjust that the sim is not detected11:27
Palijonni, now led on my n950 is not blinking... it battery charged?11:28
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* Arkenoi is trying to find a local person who is not really concerned about screen problems and will swap for some extra $$11:41
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Palithat rescue kernel & initfs not working...11:42
Paliafter flasher send and load kernel & initfs device is turned off11:43
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Paliis there other way how to copy backup file?11:48
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macmaNjonni: yo. got a moment? i still havent figured out how to make dummy network appear in the connection list. it's registered because i can see it in Edit screen.12:05
macmaNn900 wiki seems to imply that gconftool-2 stuff should do it12:06
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tsdgeosjonni: didn't work :-/ Thanks for the help though :-)12:09
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chem|stmmh accounts wont let me change the sipgate port... anyone ran into that?12:43
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Arkenoifor anyone from Russia (pref. Moscow): will swap my n950 with rotten screen + some $$ to flawless one. If you use it for development only and not as your main phone, minor defect should not be an issue.12:48
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phakoArkenoi: you're aware that this is a weakness in the N950 and will most likely happen again?12:50
Arkenoiphako, not for every phone i guess.. i hope to be more lucky next time :-)12:50
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* Arkenoi noticed that Nokia silently dropped the ability to organize meetings and send invitations via SMS/MMS :-/12:53
Arkenoiwas there on symbian, cannot remember for n90012:53
hschmittHi, I try to get bluetooth IRMC protocol to work and obexd can load plugins from a shared objects lib with dlopen12:58
hschmittis there an aegis restriction with dlopen?12:58
alteregoI'd imagine so.12:58
alteregoActually maybe not. Are you having problems getting it loaded?12:59
hschmittI have already a compiled .so file but I could only test it with a reboot and if something goes wrong my n9 is bricked12:59
hschmittI cannot kill obexd13:01
clauhmm, (the home for inception) seems to be down13:05
clauis there any other place to download the files from?13:05
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alteregohschmitt: you wont brick it from installing a plugin :P13:12
alteregoYou're not messing with the startup process, you'll be fine.13:12
alteregoAnd I don't think aegis stops dlopen.13:12
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hschmittbut obexd loads at startup and if something is wrong with a plugin it exits and that will brick it13:13
jonniit depends if application has added checkorigin=yes to its aegis manifest, if it has, then loading plugins from different origin will fail, and if it hasnt then it works.13:16
jonniand fail meaning in here brick13:17
jonniofcourse if you install your custom plugin as origin, then there is no problem.13:19
hschmittobexd loads its plugins from "usr/lib/obex/plugins" I thought I could just copy the .so file there? How can I check the aefis property13:21
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TMavicaAnyone can give me Opera 12.006 deb?13:25
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Lava_CroftUse Google a bit more14:07
Lava_Croftbe a happier, less asking person14:07
Lava_Crofti have no idea if that link even works14:08
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ZogG_laptopphako: don't say it, it's scary, it would never happen to my phone =P14:10
TMavicathankls, i cant find it in google..14:11
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Paliflashing via oneclickflasher not working, it send ape-algo image and then show message: Suitable USB interface (phonet) not found, waiting...14:45
Paliit shown this message and after one hour nothing more...14:46
jonniand you pressed the powerbutton on device for 30seconds to go into flashing mode?14:46
PaliI pressed it for 10sec before pluging into usb14:47
jonniwrong order, you plug the usb, then press until vibra14:48
Paliin oneclick flasher info is nothing about 30sec flashing mode14:48
jonniwell its not 30 seconds exactly long powerpress or removing battery and inserting battery will 1st go to flashing mode. but only if your cable is connected at the time14:49
jonniotherwise not14:49
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Palinow I started flasher (wait until unpack) plugged into usb, pressed power button until vibra14:49
Palibut same happened14:50
Palifreeze at (phonet) not found14:50
jonniPali: are you using linux or windows or mac?14:50
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Pali64bit kubuntu 12.0414:50
jonniPali: and are you sure that your cable is directly connected to machine, and not using any usb hubs, as those dont work14:50
Palibut now led light (not blinking)14:51
Paliit is ok?14:51
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jonnikubuntu 12.04 might ofcourse the the fault, as flasher has not been tested in 12.04 at all.14:51
PaliI'm using binary Linux_OCF_02-6_RM680-RM680-OEM1.bin14:52
jonniyou might have better luck flashing if you use ubuntu 11.04 or so14:52
jonnior try windows flasher on windows machine, if 12.04 usb drivers would just suck14:52
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Palialso which USB port should I use? USB 3.0 or USB 2.0 ? (I do not have 1.0 or 1.1 :-( )14:53
alteregoI use flasher on 12.0414:53
Lava_Croftnot oneclickflasher tho14:53
AardPali: all usb-ports are backwards-compatible14:54
Lava_Crofti installed ubuntu 12.04 just be to be able to flash14:54
alteregohave you installed ia32-libs ?14:54
Lava_Crofti had to sacrifice a whole PC to that shit14:54
PaliI have 32bit libs too14:54
Lava_Crofttried another USB port? :P14:55
jonniPali: 2.0, one thing that you can try is to extract the oneclick flasher and flash it manually from commandline, that way you atleast get better consolelogs.14:55
Palijonni, ok14:55
jonniusually its is usb port or unstable usb driver which cause the problems thouugh14:55
jonniso testing on different port can help too14:55
Paliand 32 or 64 bit flasher?14:55
Lava_Croftmy experience is that front USB ports are the ones that tend to not work14:56
Lava_Croftwith flashing14:56
Lava_Crofthad that experience with quite a few different desktop PCs14:56
Lava_Croftdont ask me why14:56
Paliok, so what is correct steps for flashing n950?14:57
Paliis this somewhere written?14:57
jonnino, correct steps is to run the bin, plug the cable and press powerbutton untill reboot.14:59
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jonniand rinse and repeat if problems14:59
jonniand if there is problems then you can use flasher and magic flags. But you really shouldnt.15:00
jonnias rescue kernel didnt work for you, then the problem most likely is your usb port or kubuntu 12.04, so testing with different machine and different distro is most likely your solution.15:01
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jonnias there has been quite many problems with kubuntu users, and that distro is not officially supported, so those users have to find sulution themselves.15:02
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Palinow I tried eSATA port and this seems working15:10
Palinow oneclick flasher write: Erasing, this may take a while.15:11
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jonnisecure erase takes 10mins, quick erase about a minute15:13
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Paliok, so I'm waiting...15:18
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Palijonni, flasher finished, look at log: it is ok?15:32
Palinow my n950 booted15:32
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jonniPali: yes looks normal.15:33
Paliok, thanks! now I know that I must use eSATA port for flashing15:34
lylycpls after update PR 1.3 web not responding and slow what should i do ?15:38
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HurrianPali, you just need a USB port on the motherboard.15:52
HurrianNo case extenders, no hubs.15:52
PaliI have only my notebook here15:52
HurrianeSATA is a bit overkill ;)15:52
Paliand only eSATA for phonet worked15:53
HurrianPali, motherboard probably has a built-in hub15:53
Hurrianusually for putting ports on both sides of notebook15:53
Palibut it found bootloader usb15:53
Hurrianit's just flasher being flaky as usual15:53
PaliI have 2 USB 3.0, one USB 2.0 with charging when notebook is turned off and one eSATA15:54
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PaliHurrian, but kernel did not see any usb interface15:54
Hurrianoh well, I guess it's just machine specific.15:55
Hurrianlots of bootloader modes to flash via USB act up on different machines15:55
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PaliHurrian, yes phonet mode using Mk II protocol15:56
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paharmattan supports max 8char long passwords16:19
pahow lame16:19
ZogG_laptopoh yeah16:19
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chem|stwho is 'organiser feed' devel in here?16:32
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chem|stnvm they fixed it in upstream16:44
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paso, i tried to add a shell script to my app, in order to write to a file to which only root can write, and i added to the manifest .aegis this snippet:
pabut when i open a terminal, and try to use my script, i stll get permission denied, on the write to the file17:07
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Palihow can I connect to n950 ssh server via wifi?17:15
PaliI already copied autorized_keys into ~/.ssh/ and restarted device17:15
Palibut still not working...17:15
Aardtry to set a password for the user on the device17:16
Pali(sshd is running in in n950)17:16
PaliAard, but I want to use ssh keys, no passwords...17:16
Aardcheck the user, it's possible he's locked on the device17:16
Aard(usually you're supposed to use the devel user)17:17
mankeliwell i also want to be king of the world, but i guess i cannot just go from a to z directly. narrow down the problem first by advancing in small steps17:17
clauAard, what user are you using ?17:17
clauuhm, pali, not Aard17:18
PaliAard, thanks! account "user" was really lock17:18
Aardclau: for me login worked as root and developer, before 1.3. with 1.3 I can only login via usb, and didn't have time (or need) to find out why17:18
PaliI unlocked it via "passwd -u user"17:18
clauAard, probably ssh is set to not accept root user anymore; but I thought it to be true for pr1.2 too :|17:19
Palialso I commented line "AllowUsers *@ *@ *@ *@" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config17:20
Aardclau: you can always change the configuration ;) I just didn't have time to investigate17:20
clauof course :)17:20
claujust checked mine. I still have 1.2 and in /etc/ssh/sshd_config I have PermitRootLogin no17:21
pais it possible to check what aegis capabilities are granted to a certain file?17:22
clauI'm curios if I can find that for a certain installed package too17:22
clauI know how to check the aegis manifest for a .deb file, but is it possible to check it for an already installed package?17:23
paclau, in my case i would also like to verify the capabilities "per file"17:23
pacoz i am trying to request different capabilities for different files in the .deb17:23
claupa, I think you can find out the source package of the file, hence you could check the aegis manifest to see what rights a file has17:24
pawell, the thing is i wrote the manifest17:24
pabut i want to see if what i ask for is in effect17:24
clauI see; sorry, no idea17:25
Keintshi...can somebody help me to get my app working using simulator17:29
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Keintsi have modified main.cpp file to use it...but i get the following error "MDeclarativeCache: No such file or directory"17:31
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jabisKeints: add pkg-config to build depends in your .pro file17:33
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jabisKeints: I'd recall it's in qmsystem2, so CONFIG += link_pkgconfig \ PKGCONFIG += qmsystem2 \ CFLAGS += `pkg-config --cflags qmsystem2` \ LDFLAGS += `pkg-config --libs qmsystem2`17:40
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Keintsjabis: thanx, will try17:41
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jabisnp :)17:43
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Keintsstill doesn't work for me...i get this error when building project "'pkg-config' is not recognized as an internal or external command,17:46
Keintsoperable program or batch file."17:46
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JaffaAfternoon, all17:48
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patehdely, so, as a first approximation, you'd like to have  pulse, altitude, latitude , longitude, time every x seconds on the file, right?18:07
jabisKeints: the options I threw were with \ resembling new lines - sorry for the confusion18:07
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jabisKeints: but could be your missing build-essential packages18:07
infobotjabis meant: Keints: but could be you're missing build-essential packages18:07
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Keintsjabis: i understood newlines18:09
Keintshow can i check if i have this "build-essential" package?18:09
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jabisKeints: looking at that error, it seems you're running windows?18:12
Keintsjabis: yes....that is correct18:12
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jabisKeints: I thought you were using scratchbox - so setting up pkg-config is a bit trickier18:15
jabisKeints: try to change the pkg-config to 'mad pkg-config' without the quotes, to see whether it links then18:16
jabiseither directly or then go and fix it in your build target's file "usr\share\qt4\mkspecs\features\link_pkgconfig.prf"18:17
Keintsyou mean CONFIG += mad pkg-config ?18:19
jabisnah - the flags18:20
jabislink_pkgconfig points to the targets path I gave you - you should change it there18:21
jabisand then to the CFLAGS and LDFLAGS (this is just a hunch as I don't have an environment other than scratchbox myself)18:22
Keintsmaybe my main.cpp is looks like this18:22
KeintsSDK editor already underlines line 2..where i try to include MDeclarativeCache18:23
jabisthat's because you need the dependencies, the error was specific - the pkg-config is not found - mad(de) is already in the path after install, so that should take care of it18:24
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heymaster-laptopWhat about Harmmatan multitasking ? Are apps suspend after they dismissed ?18:36
phakowhat do you mean by dismissed?18:37
heymaster-laptopphako: not showed18:37
heymaster-laptopphako: say app switched with swipe interface18:37
ZogG_laptopjonni: ping18:37
phakoif you just swipe them away they continue running, although app authors are kindly asked to be polite to the rest of the system (like disabling extensive ui updates)18:37
ZogG_laptopphako: i heymaster-laptop and there is some limits to video as well =)18:38
Keintsjabis: thanx for help but this problem seems to be over my head...i will continue to develop my app without cache functionality for now...and return to it later18:39
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: you can use deamon for you service and ui separetly18:39
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heymaster-laptopphako, ZogG_laptop: and what about disabling timers18:39
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: no idea18:39
heymaster-laptopMy app updating servers information18:39
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: so your app is sending or reciving info?18:40
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: yes18:40
ZogG_laptopyes what?18:40
phakoheymaster-laptop: yes is not a good answer to an "or" question ;)18:40
ZogG_laptopit's "or" question =P18:40
phakoheymaster-laptop: there's some hints on harmattan-dev websites18:40
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: both18:40
ZogG_laptopjust if it recives you can try to use push notification or something similuar. i dunno18:41
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: what is the trigger18:41
ZogG_laptopphone triggers, server triggers or ddepends and both?18:41
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: phako I thinking to use QTimer and allocate QThread to fetch data18:41
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: it's periodically. say every 60 seconds. depends on configuration18:42
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: that's more than i understand :)18:42
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: no problem :)18:42
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: make a separete service/daemon, like sync services18:43
ZogG_laptopif it needs user interaction you may use push notification wich would trigger UI app18:43
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: on iPhone you get notifications and if app get suspended you can stop timer, cleanup data18:43
ZogG_laptopbut again i'm not that good at this18:43
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: it doesn't need user interaction18:44
heymaster-laptopUser will open app and would see latest received information18:45
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: what's the point to use service ?18:45
heymaster-laptopor daemon18:45
jabisyou could publish the state and emit onChange handlers depending foreground/background - have a look at meego-camera-app for example18:46
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: service/daemon is nice if you want to have user to get notifications on updates when app is closed18:47
heymaster-laptopjabis: i will receive information if my app foreground or background ?18:47
ZogG_laptopheymaster-laptop: i think both18:48
jabisyes - you can declare signals and tie them in states18:48
heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop, jabis thanks.. i will check meego-camera-app example18:49
jabisthe camera app switches lenscover and the ui off when entering background - so it's a perfect example :)18:49
heymaster-laptopjabis: thanks18:49
jabisheymaster-laptop: np :)18:50
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heymaster-laptopphako: great tips :)18:53
jonniZogG_laptop: pong18:54
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Venemo_N9good afternoon everyone19:15
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djszapiany native speakers around willing to help me with reviewing a short email before sending?19:19
denismdjszapi: I am native speaker. but not in English19:22
djszapidenism: I do not obviously send an email in Russian :D19:24
djszapibut yeah, an English native speaker pls ;)19:24
Venemo_N9this channel is always an endless source of fun :D19:24
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djszapino blackberry jam in Helsinki, nor dublni :/19:43
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payeah, my switch is now in the store :)20:35
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MohammadAG/tmp is cleared on shutdown right?20:44
MohammadAGI want to implement safe mode in unrestricted-system-ui20:44
Estel_lame question mode on - where I could find some knowledge base (like wiki) about N950/N900? with things like state of hostmode, using external mouse and keyboard, essential packages (like kernel-power, CSSu, and busybox-power in Maemo), and so goes on?20:51
Estel_or one just need to scavenge from scattered threads on TMO?20:51
Estel_and 2nd question, re N950 - what's type of screws from hell are keeping backcover in place, none of my torx'es seems to fit20:52
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Estel_I but it looks like 6 arms star, like torx20:52
Estel_anyone disassembled N950?20:52
Estel_Thanks a lot. Damn, my torx 5 doesn't fit...20:58
Estel_Anyway, any catches or hard moments, when disassembling? Something to take special care, when proceeding?20:59
Estel_special care about*20:59
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MohammadAGtaking off the back cover was a bitch21:06
MohammadAGyou'll need to pry it off from the bottom side, but gently21:06
MohammadAGalso when you get to the screen tilt mech, be careful21:06
MohammadAGI gave up there21:06
Estel_./all right, thanks... i'll try. for now, those damn screws are a bitch, neither torx4 or torx 5 seems to fit21:10
* Estel_ is looking for hammer21:10
Estel_funny thing - torx 4 actually seems to have a little better grip, but only for microsecond21:11
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Palido you know if there is some case for n950?21:16
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Estel_Pali, define case21:34
Estel_body replacement? holding case?21:34
Estel_BTW, Pali, have You received Your N950? What are first thoughts? :)21:35
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Estel_I was forced to jump instantly into using it as main pocket computer/phone (although, for just few days - my N900's replacement motherboard is on it's way), so it's kinda mixed feeling, sado-macho a little21:35
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Estel_some things are great, others piss me off beoynd sanity21:35
Estel_it's strange device, great when looking from one side, but You come to wasted potential everywhere. I love hardware resources (RAM, RAM...) and some design choices (I love screen tilt mechanism and 4 rows keyboard)21:37
Estel_...but others make me curse. Who decided, to drop camera lens cover, #$#%? no microSD? Removing those "4 torx from hell) to get to battery?21:37
Estel_why no hardware button for camera, and so much wasted space on sides (only 3 buttons)21:37
Estel_antenna placement - many times I have full signal when holding it upside down, and 0-5% when holding normally, FFS. On places, when N900 have 80-90% signal strength and 100% quality21:38
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Estel_lovely screen using very low ammount of power... But damn capacitive digitizer, making me cry for stylus-friendly resistive one, many times21:39
Estel_not to mention well-known idiotic things like FM transmitter not connected to any antenna, internally21:39
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Estel_and UI, I really hate swipe, would love to see hildon there ;)21:40
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Estel_well, so it's kinda mixed cheers/sad and love/hate relationship21:40
GeneralAntillesSwipe is the best thing since sliced bread.21:40
Estel_GeneralAntilles, sure, especially, when it makes me do 4 steps to close 3 of 4 opened windows, instead of one21:40
GeneralAntillesYou're doing it wrong.21:40
Estel_swipe them out, long press to see "x" buttons (why they're not shown all the time?)21:41
GeneralAntillesSwipe from top to bottom closes a the current application.21:41
Estel_quite possible, I'm damn new to this21:41
Estel_doesn't work for me. even if it start after upgrade, I want to do it from tasknav :P21:41
Estel_without going into every application over and over21:41
Estel_and, if I'm in goddamn "delete" mode in tasknav, why need to click "done" to close it, instead of clicking outside applications windows?21:42
Estel_not to mention 3/4 of UI being in portrait mode, even if I have keyboard slided out, and in landscape (maybe another thing that require me upgrading software, no idea)21:42
Estel_my head is going to remain in constant tilt21:42
GeneralAntillesThere are apps for that.21:43
GeneralAntillesRotate lock screen, N9Tweaks21:43
Estel_I know, probably, many of those rantys are due to me jumping (without my will, due to N900 getting broken same day when N950 arfrived) from CSSU/kernel-power enchanced N900 to "virgin" N950...21:43
Estel_I'm sure that after some tweaking, UI becomes bearable21:43
Estel_GeneralAntilles, thanks, speaking about that, is there any knowledge base for N950?21:44
Estel_like wiki for N900?21:44
GeneralAntillesSome's on the wiki meego wiki21:44
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Estel_I feel little lost, initially. Would like to read about essential packages (like cssu, kernel-power and busybox-power for Maemo) for N950, and so goes on21:44
Estel_I see. for others, reading scattered threads on TMO is only one way?21:44
Estel_anjd what's the deal about upgrading, I've heard that trying to upgrade will put me into reboot loop, and that I need to use oneclickflasher to Pr 1.2 afterwards21:45
japhcoreutils and the other gnu utils, vim, mplayer21:45
Estel_if it's true, why bother upgrading on device at all, instead of using oneclickflasher from start?21:45
Estel_japh, thanks21:45
Estel_hostmode status?21:45
Estel_cursor mode for external mouse?21:45
japhI never got to click21:45
Estel_japh, no idea, I'm quoting :p21:46
* ArkanoiD- quite seriously thinks about buying another n950 if no one is willing to swap21:46
japhmany people are willing21:46
Estel_ArkanoiD-, swap for what? N950 is kinda unique ;)21:46
ArkanoiD-Estel_, rotten screen + some $$ -> good one21:46
Estel_well, my N900's replacement is on it's way, but I would like to show N950's some more love, and read/tweak it extensively21:47
Estel_ArkanoiD-, I see21:47
ArkanoiD-as it is impossible to find spare screen21:47
japhn900 replacement being n9 or windows phone?21:47
Estel_japh, N900 replacement being another N900 :P21:47
japhaha. still.21:47
Estel_I'm using it as mobile computer, full replacement for notebook (and phone, obviously) for now, N950 doesn't allow me to do that, due to being feature incomplete. Maybe it will change, especially, given efforts to run hildon-desktop in chroot21:48
Estel_BTw, any experiences with capacitive styluses and N950?21:48
Estel_this capacitive screen drives me mad21:48
japhit took me 2-3 months where I felt like that21:48
ArkanoiD-Estel_, terrible21:48
japhthe fucking ui is still something I hate21:49
ArkanoiD-Estel_, yes, having just *no* mobile office suite sucks big time21:49
ArkanoiD-just stupid viewer21:49
Estel_japh, same here21:49
Estel_ArkanoiD-, easy debian? what's state of this for Harm?21:49
ArkanoiD-and when i say "stupid" i mean that21:49
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Estel_as stupid as harm stock browser? :D21:49
Estel_this thing drives me mad too21:49
japhhey firefox is awesome here though21:50
Estel_don't get me wrong, N950 is really awesome device in many, many ways21:50
japhit was horrible on n90021:50
Estel_it's just that it have many quirks too...21:50
ArkanoiD-Estel_, even if you manage getting it to work it will suck without proper stylus21:50
Estel_ArkanoiD-, it's what I was afraid of21:50
Estel_someone who decided to put capacitive screen there should suffer21:50
japhcan you not buy a stylus?21:50
Estel_japh, regular stylus doesn't work, capacitive ones suck big time21:50
japhI'm mostly using keyboard myself :p21:50
ArkanoiD-Estel_, actually samsung solved this problem, for example21:51
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Estel_well, maybe someone will write program to use N9/50 screen as notebook touchpad, it would help much in using easy debian21:51
Estel_ArkanoiD-, yea, I know...21:51
ZogG_lap1optouch screen is nice21:52
Estel_Well, considering that N950 is much thinner than N900, and size of N900 with mugen cover was perfect for me, I'm thinking about putting some awesome battery life there, by custom backcover...21:52
ZogG_lap1opand more responsive than n900's one21:52
japhI'm sure it's nice when you don't have my chorizo fingers21:52
Estel_ZogG, sure, so go and run easy debian on it, then come back21:52
ArkanoiD-n900 touch sensor was just good, but you know, resistive screens are "obsolete"21:53
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Estel_japh, I'm quite good at fingering (!) it, still, no stylus sucks21:53
MohammadAGis it possible to kill your own app from the inside?21:53
ArkanoiD-mugen cover sucks on n90021:53
Estel_ArkanoiD-, N900's screen was one of best thing I've seen for this21:53
MohammadAGI'm thinking system("killall")21:53
japhkill 9, $$21:53
ArkanoiD-enormously ugly21:53
Estel_ArkanoiD-, mugen cover on N900 makes typing much more comfortable - side effect21:53
Estel_and I'm putting 6800 mAh battery there (2x 18650), beat that :p21:54
Arieteleshoes: hi21:54
teleshoeshey arie21:54
Estel_(before device got broken, I used 3000 mAh one)21:54
ArkanoiD-Estel_, they could do it better, but they did not. and i am not willing to pay a single cent for this piece of uglyness.21:54
japhestel_, I simply use the cable21:54
japhI rarely go out :p21:54
teleshoesmohammadag, yes a process can send a kill signal to itself21:54
teleshoesis this facetious?21:54
Estel_ArkanoiD-, I've also modified mugen cover to contain properly working camera lens cover. And I agree that mugen cover is overpriced21:54
teleshoesmugen cover?21:55
teleshoesi have an n900 huge battery21:55
Estel_I'm currently working on black alu replacement body for N900 :p21:55
teleshoesbut it broke21:55
Estel_Well, mugen battery sucks too, 2400 mAh for 80 USD?!21:55
ArkanoiD-it is not just overpriced, they could do a proper n810-style stand and lens cover, to make it all better than original one, they did not, no money from me, ever21:55
Estel_I used DIY dual-battery from 2 scuds21:55
japhthat's another n90021:55
teleshoesestel, aww i wish i was that cool21:55
Estel_well, judging by N950 size, 7Ah of battery power is achievable without more thickness than N900 with mugen cover21:55
teleshoesi thought they went solidly for 20021:55
teleshoesits all empty inside21:56
teleshoesbad design21:56
teleshoesthe battery is reasonably dense21:56
japhI got my n950 for less than 20021:56
Estel_teleshoes, and screen use less power21:56
teleshoesbut the cover is stupid21:56
Ariethe n900 battery was way too small for what it needed to be21:56
Estel_well, now I'm stuck on removing those 4 torx 5 screws21:56
ArkanoiD-teleshoes, yep. i had mugen battery on my e90 and it was good, but for n900 -- thanks, no21:56
Estel_no torx 5 screwdriver  I have fits there21:56
teleshoesi bought it and it was great to actually get a fully day21:57
teleshoesof internet21:57
Estel_ArkanoiD-, dual scud was 3x cheaper than mugen battery, and had 3000+ mAh (real)21:57
teleshoesbut the fucker breaks21:57
japhnow I finaly figured out who you are21:57
teleshoesyea, i have those yellow scuds21:57
teleshoestheyre awesome21:57
japhyou were holding perl classes here right?21:57
teleshoesi bought four and just kept a spare21:57
Estel_2 18650's with 3400 mAh each, as in my custom body replacement project, have, currently, 6,8Ah power21:57
Estel_running for week of heavy usage :P21:57
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teleshoesare you talking about?21:57
teleshoesi want21:57
ArieEstel_: how long does that take to charge?21:58
teleshoesyou can just calculate it21:58
teleshoes7 hours21:58
teleshoesat best21:58
Arieteleshoes: that is ridiculous the n9 needs that21:58
teleshoeswith nokia charger21:58
Estel_yea, 7 hours, little less if You charge with 1250 current (via script)21:58
teleshoesoh snap21:58
teleshoesneva hoid of it21:59
Estel_my pleasure :)21:59
teleshoesi would double n9's size21:59
teleshoesin a heartbeat21:59
teleshoesto have 7ah21:59
Estel_well, for distant future, I plan custom bodies for N9 and maybe N950's too21:59
teleshoesestel, can i preorder..?21:59
Estel_Teleshoes, it require little more than double thickness of N921:59
Estel_sure, everything is in this thread21:59
japhso yes I want bodies too21:59
Estel_although ETA is still unknown, as i'm doing this in spare time21:59
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Estel_I've posted videos and photos of CNCmachine too, near last page22:00
japhsurely I've broken my phones by then then :p22:00
Estel_18650 have 1,8 diameter, so you must add ~20 mm to thickness22:00
Estel_in N900 I solved it by getting rid of standard's battery house22:00
teleshoes' properly shielded cables with Hirose U.FL plugs on inside (to connect into N900's mainboard's Hirose U.FL sockets), '22:00
teleshoesmy heart is racing22:01
Estel_18650 is almsot touching EMI shields22:01
Estel_teleshoes, same here, when I realized possibility of adding it :)22:01
Estel_as I actually do DIY fractal antennas for myself, too ;P22:01
Estel_actually, some people already pre-ordered (pre-ordering people are getting custom engraving on their choice, text, logo, whatever, engraved on aluminum backcover or any other flat enough part)22:02
Estel_+ are resistant to price incrteases, when I decide that it's going to be more expensive, after all22:02
Estel_jabis, wtf is that?22:03
japhthat is my dyiing22:03
Estel_ah, I see22:03
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japhwanna preorder??22:03
Estel_well, I once connected big roof antenna to jack plug and N900 :)22:03
Estel_actually, I have - in my pocket, right now - DIY adaptor, from antenna connector to jack22:04
Estel_You would be surprised about content of my small accessory set for N900, that I have always with it22:04
TronicEstel_: Wouldn't 14650s be more appropriate for a phone?22:04
japhI wish I could DIM when it comes to hardware too and not just software...22:04
Estel_thought about that, unfortunately, they're only little less thick, yet much more expensive and suck much more @ capacity22:05
japhthere are some times where not knowing hw stuff really is a limitation22:05
TronicI see.22:05
Estel_18650's are most widely used, are never going to dissapear, get max capacity first, and are least expensive22:05
Tronic18650's certainly got the sweet spot of capacity per buck.22:05
Estel_thats the point22:05
Estel_japh, I wish I could do things in software, not only in hardware :P22:06
Estel_I mean coding22:06
Estel_well, I'm self-learner when it comes to DIY22:06
japhthe girls prefer the hard guys I've heard :(22:06
Estel_not when they see what You keep in pocket22:06
TronicI'm hoping for 26650 to gain popularity (in high power flashlights). The shape is better suited for flashlights and 3x 26650 can be directly replaced with 4x C-cell alkalines.22:07
teleshoesoh i get it you mean your penis22:07
Tronic(assuming that the controller has wide range of suitable input voltages, of course, but they do)22:07
Estel_Tronic, sure, but 2.6 don't have a chance to fit into N900's body, remember about microSd and camera22:07
TronicEstel_: For a phone I would really prefer a flat battery even if that means slightly less capacity and more price.22:08
teleshoesdid you just say you dont code?22:08
Estel_teleshoes, actually, video output adaptor, antenna adaptor, portable fractal antenna with various frequency response, depending on how You assembly it...22:08
Estel_Tronic, sure, but flat batteries have *much* not slighter less capacity, even considering loss of space when using 2 cylinders of 1865022:09
Estel_teleshoes, I code very, very little22:09
ZogG_lap1opMohammadAG: how F do you live in Jerusalem, people are crazy here, and they drive like idiots (in TLV too, but here more idiotic)22:09
Estel_BTw, - I can build and design CNC machine, and project and manufacture custom DIY body for N900, but I can't unscrew fuckin 4 x torx in N950, for the life of me22:10
MohammadAGZogG_lap1op, you need to act like an idiot to live here22:10
MohammadAGso drive like an idiot and you'll live22:10
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Estel_I'm really going to cut into screws a little, using screwdriver and hammer22:10
ZogG_lap1opMohammadAG: i'm here, if you want to meet btw =)22:10
* ArkanoiD- found the screws to be unscrewed quite easily22:10
MohammadAGI'm in Ramallah atm :/22:10
MohammadAGZogG_lap1op, how long?22:11
Estel_ArkanoiD-, for me neither torx 4 or 5 works22:11
Estel_maybe my screwdrivers doesn't keep sizes precise, no idea22:11
MohammadAGT5 worked fine for me22:11
merlin1991I remember there was a script on tmo for various n9 tweaks, what was the name?22:11
ZogG_lap1opMohammadAG: few days, are you comming to Qt MeetUp on 7th august, you can stay at my place if you want btw22:11
japhso how many years would your educated guess be until we'll get something usable to replace the n9{0,5}0? I can't see android ever being an option and this meego/tizen/mer/jolla thing all seems a mess...22:11
* ArkanoiD- purchased some cheapo chinese universal screwdriver set and it worked precisely as expected22:11
MohammadAGZogG_lap1op, exam this Friday22:11
MohammadAGand on 2/822:11
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MohammadAGthen some more exams on some later dates22:12
MohammadAGI'm not sure if I can come, but I'll honestly try22:12
Estel_japh, no idea, probably, when some team will prepare proper FOSS hardware :P22:12
ZogG_lap1opMohammadAG: it's 7/8 i can link you22:12
teleshoes=> never22:12
japhright but I don't see whom would 'sponsor' them now22:12
ZogG_lap1opMohammadAG: me and damagedspline meeting before for a beer22:12
Estel_japh, no idea, Rpi isn't full FOSS, but it's neat nevertheless22:12
Estel_same for Open Pandora22:12
merlin1991Estel_: nobody is ever going to prepare FOSS hardware ;)22:12
Estel_I would accept such ammount of FOSS % in FOSS22:12
Estel_merlin1991, arduino? ;)22:13
merlin1991foss = free and open source *SOFTWARE*22:13
Estel_merlin1991, yea, but You know what I mean ;)22:13
ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: not in close future, but i think someday it would be standartd22:13
merlin1991so unless you're talking about emulators nobody is going to build foss hardware :D22:13
Estel_FOSH, let it be22:13
Estel_or FODH22:13
Estel_free and open design hardware ;)22:14
Estel_sounds almost like ADHD22:14
ZogG_lap1opbut why free?22:14
Estel_free as in no roylaty fees to use design ;)22:14
teleshoesfield programmable gate arrays may or may not be the future22:14
teleshoesbut if they are22:14
ZogG_lap1opyou pay for things, i don't think free, but open22:14
Estel_ZogG, FOSS is free even if You pay for it22:15
teleshoesif something has royaltys, its not free22:15
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: ?22:15
Estel_the thing is that You can use code without additional fees or restriction22:15
Estel_well, it doesn't have to be free as in beer22:15
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: it's different22:15
Estel_common missunderstanding about FOSS, it is22:15
Estel_FOSS compatible things are, some times, actually payed to obtain compiled copy and it's ok22:15
Estel_it's not FOSS license violation22:16
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ArkanoiD-there is opensparc and things like that22:16
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: i think than it's Free-Open sourse software =)22:16
ZogG_lap1opfree for open =P22:16
Estel_same goes for arduino, You buy it, but You can build it on your own too, legally, even sell (only name is trademarkied)22:16
teleshoesopensource is not the same as free-as-in-freedom22:16
japhinfobot, wiki opencola22:16
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'OpenCola' or 'Opencola' may refer to: * OpenCola (drink), a brand of cola with an openly available recipe * Opencola (company), Canadian software company "22:16
Estel_teleshoes, exactly22:16
teleshoesopen source plus royalties22:16
teleshoesor patents22:16
Estel_and it's not the same as free-as-in-beer too22:16
ZogG_lap1opok, stop talking about beer22:17
ZogG_lap1opit makes me want one22:17
ZogG_lap1opjonni: around?22:17
Estel_ok, free-as-in-free-love22:17
teleshoeslets go with a big naaahhh22:17
teleshoescostfree software doesnt give you herpes22:17
teleshoesunless its REALLY good software22:18
japhhow can you be sure if it's not open22:18
Estel_You want to discuss what free beer can give You? ;)22:18
ZogG_lap1opMohammadAG: so what ya doing in Ramallah?22:18
Estel_soooo, other than meego wiki, isn't there any place where N9/50 wisdom is gathered?22:19
infobotEstel_ meant: soooo, other than meego wiki, isn't there any place where N9/50 knowledge is gathered?22:19
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: google =)))22:19
Estel_TMO = searching through scattered threads :(22:19
japhlearning = effort22:19
teleshoesi didnt know about that22:20
ZogG_lap1opFMC, maemo wiki, mer wiki, meego wiki22:20
ZogG_lap1opand TMO22:20
teleshoesestel, i routinely scour n9 and harmattan threads on tmo22:20
teleshoeseasiest way to find out such-and-such thing22:20
teleshoeslike, has anyone compiled screen for n9?22:21
teleshoes{has anyone?}22:21
Estel_maemo wiki got really low ammount of N950 info. Anyway, some basic things? i don't like to pster people on IRc about easily searchable things.22:21
MohammadAGZogG_lap1op, family gatherings, they're a lot in Ramadan22:21
ZogG_lap1opteleshoes: how is tmux btw?22:21
Estel_Open kernel is a basic, yep?22:21
teleshoesgood, im just not familiar22:21
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teleshoesopenkernel is really basic22:21
ZogG_lap1opMohammadAG: Ramadan is now?22:21
MohammadAGyeah, 4th day today22:21
Estel_I suspect there is no such thing as CSSU for harm?22:22
teleshoesthere is not22:22
MohammadAGnot yet anyway22:22
teleshoesclosest thing is mags inception repo22:22
Estel_and what about this update thing?22:22
Estel_any point in updating on device? or it will reboot loop me anyway?22:22
japhplease dont forget mplayer^22:22
ZogG_lap1opMohammadAG: so you on post during day?22:22
MohammadAGjust a bit illegal -> Linux_OCF_02-6_RM680-RM680-OEM1.bin :P22:22
* japh hides22:22
MohammadAGZogG_lap1op, I don't get the question :p22:23
MohammadAGno really22:23
MohammadAGyou're harming all of us22:23
Estel_I don't care about it being legal, but thanks for warning. BTW, what is illegal there?22:23
MohammadAGwhat if apple downloads it and copies a binary to iOS 622:23
teleshoesyea, post the source22:23
MohammadAGit's illegal to host Nokia's binaries22:23
Estel_ah, sure.22:24
teleshoesviolation of copyright law22:24
ZogG_lap1opMohammadAG: wait, isn't it the holiday you eat at nights?22:24
Estel_lets assume we're closed meeting here :)22:24
rzrjaph: do u have the sources of those debs too ?22:24
japhrzr, not likely22:24
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MohammadAGZogG_lap1op, technically we don't eat in the day, but that works too :P22:25
Estel_what doesn't work when using open kernel? I've heard some BS about passwords22:25
japhI lost some stuff previous weekend when reflashing22:25
ZogG_lap1opjaph: meeplus? is that google plus client? the one not finished due google's api?22:25
MohammadAGit's fasting22:25
rzri am looking for 500th package to build for shared repo22:25
japhzogg_lap1op, yes iirc22:25
teleshoesfasting and no sex when the sun is up22:25
Estel_ah, most important question - what is extras, extras-testing and extras-devel equivalent for harm?22:25
Estel_what about N950 and N9 packages compatibility?22:25
ZogG_lap1opMohammadAG: that's what i said for the first time, post during day. when you are on post during the day =)22:25
Estel_(rather about N9 to N950 compatibility)22:25
MohammadAGwhat's post? :P22:25
ZogG_lap1opjaph: is it you writting it?22:25
japhestel_, I've found that most stuff works and in the very few cases where it doesn't all hell brakes loose22:26
jonniZogG_lap1op: yep.22:26
teleshoesdeb ./22:26
teleshoesdeb ./22:26
japhzogg_lap1op, no22:26
japhzogg_lap1op, it's on gh if you're interested22:26
teleshoesdeb ./22:26
Estel_what's the future of appsformeego, mer and fremantle is going to OBS22:26
ZogG_lap1opjaph: i know, there is official website of it as well =)22:26
Estel_and harmattan?22:26
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: actually harmattan and mer are on OBS already and are example of how fremantle would work22:27
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: you the one who should know it22:27
Estel_nope, since 2 weeks I'm the one who shouldn't :)22:27
Estel_also, see logs of council's meeting not the latest, one before22:28
teleshoesi was worried you werent estel for a minute22:28
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: so all info from before two past weeks just gone?22:28
japhteleshoes, ok now when I glanced through my ~/dev I see you're the teleshoes with that very helpful n9-conf repo22:28
ZogG_lap1opAAAAAND it's GONE! (c)22:28
teleshoesam i?22:28
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: i think i was on the meeting one before22:28
teleshoesjaph: you mean that loose bundle of debs in my github?22:28
Estel_the one when someone was really worried about appsformeego?22:28
Estel_I would search for quotations now, but it's not my itch now, anyway22:29
japhteleshoes, hmm no. /home/scp1/dev/n950-conf/teleshoes-n9-conf22:29
teleshoesi havent the slightest idea what youre talking about22:29
japhor maybe there's debs22:29
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: you are really funny person. it's okay. i dont need quotation, you asked anyway, not me22:29
teleshoesmaybe its not me22:30
teleshoesi THOUGHT i was the only teleshoes22:30
Estel_teleshoes, happen to me everytime, don't worry ;)22:30
ZogG_lap1opMohammadAG: fasting is not eating, i may used wrong word post though22:30
teleshoesfasting is about abstaining through will22:31
teleshoesnot about not eating22:31
Estel_ZogG, I'm not sure if your confidence in Harmattan sitting on OBS indefinitely is justified, it's just that. anyway, it's not my business to straight it up, so take Your time22:31
teleshoesjaph, im concerned about this22:32
teleshoescan you tell me what this is and where i could find it?22:32
Estel_japh, so it seems I need two week t leats to jump into loop of things happening into N950 software world?:P22:32
japhof me stealing your codes?22:32
japhyes hold on22:32
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teleshoes{of course not of you stealing my codes, about the possible mistaken identity}22:32
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ZogG_laptopjaph: you got him, and he ran away22:34
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teleshoes{sorry i blinked out}22:34
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teleshoesoh yea22:35
teleshoesthats me22:35
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: using pelephone umts for connection and got disconnected every 10 minutes22:35
teleshoesk cool22:35
japhah klomp22:36
japhif it works you did what I started doing, but having to limit myself to 5.8.3 I decided to make it work for me and dont bother to release it for anyone else22:38
ZogG_laptopwhat is klomp?22:38
ZogG_laptopi saw it22:38
ZogG_laptopbt what is it?22:38
japhclog from nl22:38
ZogG_laptopklomp - CLI music player22:38
ZogG_laptopi want xmms222:39
teleshoesklomp is a sort of eccentric command line music player of mine22:39
ZogG_laptopteleshoes: why not to port mpd btw than?22:39
teleshoesit serves much the same function22:39
ZogG_laptopteleshoes: yes but mp is mpd and mplayer is mplayer =)22:39
japhbuuuut for me I have mpd running on the server and I used a daemonized mplayer to play the stream when I wasn't home22:40
japh(and control it, fifo slave)22:40
ZogG_laptopso you stream music from home when you are not home?22:40
ZogG_laptopi'm jealous for you internet connection and speed22:41
teleshoesi also do this occasionally22:41
japhyes, well, I stream it 24/722:41
teleshoesit doesnt require that much bw22:41
teleshoesmpd is really cool,22:41
teleshoesbut i discovered it after i wrote klomp22:41
teleshoesyears ago22:41
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, pelephone sucks22:41
ZogG_laptopi have 800 kbit upload =) and i have 24/7 torrents22:41
MohammadAGOrange is way better22:41
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: yes, but it's not mine, borrowed from roomate22:42
Estel_what's the status of 1.3 for N950?22:42
teleshoesi just set up transmissions web ui to start downloads on my 50mbps/20mbps server at home22:42
MohammadAGEstel_, ready, unreleased22:42
teleshoestpb on my n9, movies downloaded when i get home22:42
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: i pay them 200 nis and if i go for other company i would pay for iphone i took as student22:42
Estel_MohammadAG, no one tweaked it for N950? Or isn't it worth the effort at all?22:43
Estel_(pr.13 isn't worth, not N950)22:43
ZogG_laptopteleshoes: i use transmission as well, way before it was even 1.022:43
japhthat torrent klient I found in the store was ... not so functional :p22:43
MohammadAGTweaked what? You haven't met Aegis I see22:43
teleshoesbut do you use it on your n9?"22:43
MohammadAGand SW Certs22:43
ZogG_laptopteleshoes: it's not that comfy btw with web ui on n9, there is some part of code of client for n9 btw22:44
teleshoesthere is?22:44
teleshoesi gotta check that out22:45
teleshoesi would love for the remote cli to work22:45
ZogG_laptopteleshoes: not finished, khertan i think said he may check it one day and that's all22:45
ZogG_laptopteleshoes: it's on github22:45
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: some people unaware of harmattan existence... actually till now when 50+ devices were handled =)22:46
Estel_MohammadAG, true, haven't meet it22:47
Estel_just heard losely about harmattan having totally fckd up basic linux things like event.d and so goes on22:47
ZogG_laptopteleshoes: i may find it for you if you want. btw i would follow you on github, maybe you'll have something interesting there for n9. why don't you clone stuff to harmattan organization btw?22:47
Estel_ZogG, actually, 29 devices were handled, additional 11 are in CC :)22:48
Estel_for example, i must still read about tradeoff between open kernel and inception22:48
ZogG_laptopEstel_: 25 CC + 25 Ovi store thing + few for qt522:48
Estel_know the main idea, but as for practical side...22:48
Estel_well, if you mean N9 included, it is 75 devices already22:49
Estel_anyway, it's irrelevant22:49
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: btw Matan has his device on the way, he emailed me asking about customs. interesting if he would do with it anything and if he would, would it be public22:49
Estel_I think everyone is entitled to meet harmattan for first time whenever he/she want, be it now, or in one year22:49
MohammadAGI'm not sure how Matan's stance is towards the community22:50
ZogG_laptopEstel_: true but i see a way of people now after CC =)22:50
MohammadAGhe left without notice, and came  back when CA was back22:50
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: he wasn't team player as i recall, he just did stuff and it was public. that's it22:50
ZogG_laptopor i may be wrong22:51
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: i think not even him added hildon patches to CSSU22:51
ZogG_laptophis patches22:51
MohammadAGhow does one fake a SIGSEGV?22:52
MohammadAGI merged his patches22:52
japhkill -11   ?22:52
japhbut that's not really faking22:53
MohammadAGthat's a SIGSEGV?22:53
japh(in the kill()s I've seen)22:53
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