| ajalkane | djszapi_: I own Canonical shares, so speculating might make me some big bucks. | 00:00 |
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| ptl | ajalkane: Ubuntu for Android is almost in production. If a whole ubuntu system that can even run android apps is about to be released, I think it will not be much more before you can use these same phones to use ubuntu only. It that is possible in a phone that has ubuntu for android I'll adopt it | 00:00 |
| tehdely | it is nice to have a phone that's actually gnu/linux under the hood | 00:00 |
| tehdely | not just a linux kernel and the world's slowest JVM ;) | 00:00 |
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| djszapi_ | ajalkane: or bankrupt :D | 00:00 |
| ptl | djszapi_: I understand that they can have some mistake of projects, but nevertheless they add a nice layer of flexibility to the phone | 00:00 |
| tehdely | ubuntu for android is, i admit, promising | 00:00 |
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| tehdely | it's the first thing that ever made me pay attention to android as something i might possibly one day use | 00:01 |
| tehdely | instead of as an example of how not to build a useable OS | 00:01 |
| djszapi_ | ptl: qnx adds way more flexibility than the linux kernel | 00:01 |
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| ajalkane | ptl: ok, I don't know much about Ubuntu on android so I might be full of shit... But I think that's totally different than the "Ubuntu phone". | 00:01 |
| djszapi_ | just a random example: drivers are developed in userspace. | 00:01 |
| tehdely | djszapi_: i thought torvalds/tanenbaum finished off this debate 15 years ago ;) | 00:01 |
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| ptl | ajalkane: either way, I will evaluate whatever is in the market at that time. :-) | 00:01 |
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| djszapi_ | tehdely: huh ? | 00:02 |
| tehdely | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum–Torvalds_debate | 00:02 |
| tehdely | microkernel vs. monolithic | 00:02 |
| djszapi_ | tehdely: it is not a debate, it is a fact, yes still a fact nowadays like 15 years ago | 00:02 |
| ptl | I don't think it's settled | 00:02 |
| ptl | I'd consider it still a debate | 00:02 |
| tehdely | someone needs to make a phone running the HURD :D | 00:02 |
| ajalkane | ptl: true that sir, same for me. Before the Jolla business I was prepared to wait 5 years using N9 until Ubuntu phone or something else excitement worthy comes out ;) | 00:02 |
| djszapi_ | ptl: it is a fact that drivers are developed in user space | 00:02 |
| djszapi_ | if you say it is not, you lie. | 00:02 |
| tehdely | yes it is a "fact" | 00:03 |
| tehdely | but how much actual flexibility does it really buy | 00:03 |
| tehdely | ok, they're developed in user space instead of being kernel loadable modules | 00:03 |
| djszapi_ | a lot | 00:03 |
| tehdely | bfd... what has that actually changed | 00:03 |
| djszapi_ | the development time? | 00:03 |
| djszapi_ | and clear separation? | 00:03 |
| djszapi_ | clearly separated layers? | 00:04 |
| djszapi_ | better maintainability? | 00:04 |
| tehdely | then bb10 should be ahead of schedule ;) | 00:04 |
| djszapi_ | etc | 00:04 |
| djszapi_ | well, I have not been a sysadmin, but developed kernel drivers for years for both kernels. | 00:04 |
| ptl | I don't doubt QNX technical excellence | 00:04 |
| ptl | neither I will engage in this decades-old debate | 00:04 |
| ptl | I just want something more Unix-like and flexible for my own needs. | 00:05 |
| djszapi_ | there is no "debate" for me. | 00:05 |
| ptl | Which are, admittedly, very different from common people. | 00:05 |
| djszapi_ | well, depends | 00:05 |
| tehdely | ptl: and for us there is N9, and some day hopefully soon, Jolla | 00:05 |
| ptl | ok, it's not a debate for you, I got it | 00:05 |
| djszapi_ | Linux was the "common" in Finland I guess :D | 00:05 |
| ptl | tehdely: yes, that's it | 00:05 |
| tehdely | i am not abandoning nokia, mind you. when they ship a windows 8 phone w/ pureview sensor that will be my next 'pleasure' phone | 00:05 |
| tehdely | but my next 'business' phone will prly be jolla | 00:05 |
| djszapi_ | I do not give a cent to Jolla. | 00:06 |
| tehdely | how about a bitcoin | 00:06 |
| djszapi_ | it is based on Mer done by few people in leisure time | 00:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: they don't want your software ? | 00:06 |
| tehdely | well let's see if they can ship | 00:06 |
| Venemo | lol. | 00:06 |
| djszapi_ | way more resource at Canonical or RIM | 00:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: actually Mer guys works with them together =) | 00:06 |
| tehdely | are there any jolla ppl in this channel btw? | 00:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | tehdely: yes | 00:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | not me | 00:07 |
| tehdely | djszapi_: bb10 is promising, but i also need to see them ship | 00:07 |
| djszapi_ | I doubt few enthusiast and skilled guy can take up the competition with Canonical or RIM. | 00:08 |
| tehdely | at least i would be switching from one arrogant, imperious company to another arrogant, imperious company | 00:08 |
| djszapi_ | tehdely: well, many people have dev phones, already. | 00:08 |
| tehdely | and frankly i do think i like the abuse | 00:08 |
| ptl | I don't care about brands, I care about being able to order my phone to do what I want to do. Nokia, Jolla, Canonical to me are just fantasy names... | 00:08 |
| djszapi_ | guys* | 00:08 |
| tehdely | my customer relationship w/ nokia is very abusive and goes through the known cycles of tension, abuse, and reconciliation | 00:08 |
| tehdely | i think i like it | 00:08 |
| ptl | lol | 00:08 |
| tehdely | i can only switch to a similarly abusive company | 00:08 |
| ptl | hatred & love | 00:08 |
| tehdely | nokia hits me cause they love me | 00:09 |
| tehdely | anyhow i am just chatting here to put off work | 00:09 |
| tehdely | i was just assigned to the jury on a 4-6 week trial and i'm the only sysadmin at my office | 00:09 |
| tehdely | so they need me to do tons of documentation and fix a lot of stuff in the backlog, since i'll be unavail 4 days a week | 00:10 |
| tehdely | have not made much progress :P | 00:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: that' why we need to support those | 00:10 |
| djszapi_ | tehdely: so you are also biking daily? | 00:10 |
| ptl | samehere,I've got tasks to do. I am logged in to my work intranet | 00:10 |
| ptl | but I lack the motivation | 00:10 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: no, thanks. | 00:10 |
| tehdely | djszapi_: i was until thursday | 00:10 |
| tehdely | when i fell off the damn thing and tore something in my shoulder | 00:10 |
| tehdely | i'll be back in the saddle in a week or so, orthopedist permitting... | 00:11 |
| djszapi_ | tehdely: ouch, I wish the best, dude. | 00:11 |
| tehdely | ha, thanks. | 00:11 |
| tehdely | i haven't gotten MRIed yet so it's possible it's just really bad bruising, but i'm taking it easy | 00:11 |
| tehdely | it's actually a good thing i'll be sitting in a jury box 4 days a week | 00:11 |
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| ajalkane | I hope it's some patent troll you're delivering some justice unto. | 00:12 |
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| djszapi_ | ajalkane: you are not biking, but drinking daily, right lol | 00:14 |
| ajalkane | djszapi_: I wish. Actually I was biking today, god save me. | 00:15 |
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| djszapi_ | oh, I have almost 30k downloads | 00:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i only have 709 ownloads | 00:19 |
| ajalkane | hmm really? What's thy application? I'll put it to 710 downloads like a boss. | 00:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | ajalkane: imgrup | 00:21 |
| rzr | djszapi_, here it is | 00:21 |
| rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libindi&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 00:21 |
| rzr | libindi | 00:22 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: I was wrong, I do not need those packages in fact | 00:22 |
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| rzr | are you joking | 00:22 |
| rzr | >? | 00:22 |
| ajalkane | ZogG_laptop: Challenge accepted, mission accomplished. | 00:22 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: yes :D | 00:22 |
| qwazix | djszapi_, what app | 00:22 |
| rzr | djszapi_, anyway well you owe me a vote http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.1/harmattan/Utilities/redak/ | 00:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: btw can you build libs for xmms2. i want to make remote client | 00:22 |
| rzr | djszapi_, please fill the “Community QA” form on this page | 00:22 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: I do not vote ever | 00:22 |
| rzr | djszapi_, ok then i discard my files | 00:23 |
| djszapi_ | rzr: you can, I backed them up already :p | 00:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: it is still in twsting? | 00:23 |
| djszapi_ | qwazix: kde-edu apps | 00:23 |
| djszapi_ | kanagram and khangman | 00:23 |
| djszapi_ | the crapreview-reader is not done yet | 00:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: mine too, as my friend voted without setting first option to "V" | 00:24 |
| pa | sorry for the lame question, what aegis capa do i need to write to /sys/devices/omapdss/display0/backlight/display0/brightness ? | 00:24 |
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| qwazix | djszapi_, apps4meego? | 00:25 |
| djszapi_ | pa: check syslog | 00:25 |
| djszapi_ | qwazix: no, thanks. | 00:25 |
| qwazix | then where? | 00:25 |
| qwazix | desktop? | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | qwazix: it might sound weird, but I have put them into Ovi. | 00:26 |
| pa | checked, i see no error when i try to do that | 00:26 |
| jonni | pa: UID::root, so no aegis capa needed, unless you count root as aegis capa | 00:26 |
| rzr | ZogG, i'll need some help for xmms | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | pa: if there are no errors, what is the problem ? | 00:26 |
| qwazix | djszapi_, why weird? | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | qwazix: I was sarcastic... | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | did not think, it is not the default concept for apps... | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | on Harmattan... | 00:26 |
| pa | jonni, thats true, but someone here told me that i dont really need to be root, it's enough having a capability | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | for certain people.. | 00:27 |
| qwazix | generally it is but around here ovi gets a bit of bashing | 00:27 |
| pa | jonni, otherwise, the problem is that at every phone reboot the permissions of that file get resetted | 00:27 |
| djszapi_ | pa: again, what is the error message? | 00:27 |
| qwazix | (and if you ask me, I would prefer a community driven app repo. Ovi might go away any day) | 00:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: cap::dac_override lets you write to anything anywhere | 00:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but in general aegis doesn't deal with file permissions | 00:27 |
| jonni | pa: resetted? permissions are alwasy root:root rw-r-r. or are you fucking with the file permissions? | 00:28 |
| djszapi_ | qwazix: afm did not come here any day | 00:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | your app just needs to have the right user and groups to satisfy the permission (dac) checks | 00:28 |
| djszapi_ | qwazix: it is a toy stuff | 00:28 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | the normal linux ones that is | 00:28 |
| djszapi_ | sys is set up on boot | 00:28 |
| pa | djszapi_, permission denied | 00:28 |
| djszapi_ | pa for what operation? | 00:28 |
| qwazix | djszapi_, now you're one download closer to the 30K mark :) | 00:28 |
| pa | jonni, i changed them from root | 00:28 |
| djszapi_ | qwazix: :) | 00:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi_: a file write, like he already asked | 00:29 |
| pa | but if i reboot, the rw r r is resetted | 00:29 |
| jonni | pa: so your changed it so that system cannot access it, so are you trying to break that system cannot change brigthess? | 00:29 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, ah great, i try thanks! | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | pa: well, it is usual | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | sysfs is set up on boot | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | pa: so what are you trying to do? | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | exactly | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | for which you are getting the permission denied | 00:29 |
| pa | i am trying to write to that file from normal user | 00:29 |
| pa | i thought it was simple :)ù | 00:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: run your app as root, but if it's a gui app, then it won't start | 00:30 |
| pa | indeed | 00:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | one approach you could use is put policy="set setxid" in your aegis request | 00:30 |
| pa | cap::dac_override you tell me does the trick? | 00:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | along with <credential name="UID::root" /> | 00:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then when your app starts, you immediately use setreuid to switch the UIDs | 00:30 |
| djszapi_ | pa: you cannot request dac override | 00:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which makes your app run as user | 00:31 |
| djszapi_ | why would you even ever try that? | 00:31 |
| pa | i just need to change the brightness from my app | 00:31 |
| pa | nothing more than that | 00:31 |
| djszapi_ | so run a script from your user app | 00:31 |
| jonni | pa: then just use UID::root | 00:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then, when you need to modify the brightness | 00:31 |
| djszapi_ | with root privileges | 00:31 |
| djszapi_ | for that | 00:31 |
| djszapi_ | next! | 00:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | exchange the UIDs again and do the right | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *write | 00:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: see above | 00:32 |
| pa | yes im trying to glue the steps and understand :) | 00:32 |
| djszapi_ | pa: just use a one liner script | 00:33 |
| djszapi_ | with root privileges | 00:33 |
| pa | you mean a compiled exe? or can i have a script owned by root in my .deb? | 00:34 |
| rzr | djszapi_ or anyone can you please fill the “Community QA” form on this page | 00:34 |
| rzr | http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.1/harmattan/Utilities/redak/ | 00:34 |
| djszapi_ | it does not really matter who owns that | 00:34 |
| djszapi_ | you can grant UID::root for that as jonni said | 00:34 |
| rzr | it just needs one review | 00:34 |
| djszapi_ | and you can run that one liner script with system, QProcess what not | 00:34 |
| djszapi_ | pa: does not need to be executable, no. | 00:35 |
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| djszapi_ | rzr: I do not use redak, so cannot | 00:35 |
| ajalkane | http://imgur.com/rhmIm | 00:36 |
| jonni | pa: int olduid=getuid();setuid(0);system("echo number > file);setuid(olduid); # simplified | 00:36 |
| rzr | djszapi_, u can make a lil effort too :) | 00:36 |
| djszapi_ | ah yeah, jonni is right | 00:37 |
| djszapi_ | you do not even need a separate script for this | 00:37 |
| djszapi_ | since it is just an echo | 00:37 |
| djszapi_ | though, I dislike setuid/getuid | 00:37 |
| djszapi_ | so I would still go for a script | 00:37 |
| djszapi_ | nobody knows if those keep granted with an update | 00:38 |
| djszapi_ | manifest file will be working fine further on. | 00:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: though don't EVER do system("stuff") like that | 00:38 |
| djszapi_ | also, not sure it worked with each update either. | 00:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mean, except in specific situations maybe | 00:38 |
| djszapi_ | manifest file seems a more robust way | 00:38 |
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| djszapi_ | rzr: no, I cannot atm. | 00:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi_: doing a set(re)uid doesn't require setuid access if the uid you're setting is the real or effective | 00:39 |
| djszapi_ | I need to make "little effort"s for others. | 00:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | by using the setxid policy mode, you retain the user uid as the real uid and root as the effective uid | 00:39 |
| pa | ok i think i got it now :) | 00:39 |
| pa | let me try | 00:39 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | that way you can use setreuid to interchange the uids and gain/drop access when needed | 00:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however, it's important in that case that the app be launched as user, not root | 00:40 |
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| djszapi_ | it is a hack | 00:40 |
| djszapi_ | the aegis-way is the manifest | 00:40 |
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| djszapi_ | and I am unsure if it is gonna work this way with all the releases. | 00:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what i'm saying is the aegis way | 00:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it works with all releases | 00:41 |
| djszapi_ | forbids and permits came and went. | 00:41 |
| djszapi_ | the manifest way was always the same. | 00:41 |
| djszapi_ | no, it is not. | 00:41 |
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| djszapi_ | the interface is manifest for getting distinct uids. | 00:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the setuid behavior i'm talking about applies to all linux kernels and is outside of aegis' purview | 00:41 |
| djszapi_ | nvm | 00:41 |
| djszapi_ | you will know better this than how we designed :) | 00:42 |
| qwazix_ | my computer has gone mad... first it freezes and needs reboot, then xchat crashes when I try to join #maemo... | 00:42 |
| qwazix_ | strange... | 00:42 |
| djszapi_ | (just as usual) | 00:42 |
| ajalkane | anyone know why the applauncherd priviledge escalation still works with PR1.3? Did Nokia decide that fixing it would cripple too many useful applications and let it stay? | 00:43 |
| djszapi_ | ajalkane: 1.3 is a toy release. | 00:44 |
| djszapi_ | we had 1-2 bugs to work on? | 00:44 |
| djszapi_ | since it is a very core part of the system | 00:44 |
| djszapi_ | any bigger changes would have gone haywire and full of regressions. | 00:44 |
| ajalkane | djszapi_: so it was not fixed because it could have caused big regressions, and there was no interest in using much funds on this? | 00:45 |
| djszapi_ | ajalkane: you do realize Harmattan was killed one and half a years ago soon | 00:46 |
| djszapi_ | by PR1.3 we hardly had people working. | 00:46 |
| djszapi_ | no architect, whatsoever. | 00:46 |
| djszapi_ | no lead developers, etc for obvious reasons. | 00:47 |
| ajalkane | Of course... but I'm still interested if there's any reasons behind leaving such bugs unfixed | 00:47 |
| djszapi_ | manpower leak, risk, etc? | 00:47 |
| ajalkane | Because obviously there's been development | 00:47 |
| djszapi_ | Aren't those beating themselves enough? | 00:47 |
| ajalkane | Sure they're good enough reasons | 00:47 |
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| djszapi_ | pa: so if you wanna play nice with the aegis design, you request those via the manifest | 00:48 |
| djszapi_ | if you do not care about it can break anytime, go ahead with inline code stuff | 00:48 |
| djszapi_ | for these things with aegis in place, the manifest was designed for interface. | 00:48 |
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| djszapi_ | we do not take guarantee for anything lower-level, just like the undocumented qt macros, features etc. | 00:49 |
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| djszapi_ | though, we did not probably break anything underneath, but I do not know, if that was always the case. | 00:50 |
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| djszapi_ | not to mention, there is a C API for all this. | 00:51 |
| djszapi_ | system, QProcess are very hackish for this | 00:51 |
| djszapi_ | I would rather use QFile with open, write, close | 00:51 |
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| djszapi_ | rzr: is the redak a cool stuff? | 00:54 |
| pa | so, what i did is: modify the aegis this way: http://codepad.org/31uysN10 ; then having a "setuid(29999);" as first instruction in the main(), then having a setuid(0); //my system echo stuff; setuid(29999); when i want to do the changing | 00:55 |
| pa | but it doesnt seem to work | 00:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: you can't make two requests for one file | 00:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and you shouldn't hardcode that uid 29999 either | 00:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | change the policy="add" at the top to policy="add setxid" | 00:56 |
| rzr | djszapi_, i can be helpful ... but i fear this is not best mankind achievement | 00:56 |
| pa | ah ok, didnt know :) | 00:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | remove the second request | 00:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but move the UID::root into the first request | 00:56 |
| pa | thank you | 00:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: then use code like this | 00:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://gist.github.com/96c6db8851221b2c26c0 | 00:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | to swap the uids | 00:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except get rid of the second part that does the group ids | 00:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then what you'd do is flip once when you launch | 00:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then when you change the brightness | 00:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flip, change, flip | 00:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe the script approach is a better idea | 01:00 |
| djszapi_ | I would not make a script | 01:01 |
| djszapi_ | I would use the api established for this purpose - POSIX C | 01:01 |
| djszapi_ | or if I was a high-level Qt guy, then just simply QFile | 01:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi_: if you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk | 01:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all you're doing is preventing pa from solving his problem | 01:01 |
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| djszapi_ | like I have managed all these things for the pandaboard: gpio, powersave mode, led control, ec | 01:01 |
| djszapi_ | etc* | 01:02 |
| djszapi_ | writing the procfs directly. | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's only 3 ways to do this, and 1 of them requires inception | 01:02 |
| djszapi_ | no, it does not | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and you don't like the other two | 01:02 |
| djszapi_ | inception is a crap | 01:02 |
| djszapi_ | for end users | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the entire issue is that a qml program can't start as root | 01:02 |
| djszapi_ | you are basically trying to know better what we designed, and how we designed. That kinda bugs me, I need to admit. | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you have to be root to write this file | 01:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a catch-22 | 01:02 |
| djszapi_ | I clearly said, what the solution should be | 01:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for someone who was involved in designing this thing, you're astonishingly ignorant about its design | 01:03 |
| djszapi_ | you misdrove him. | 01:03 |
| djszapi_ | because you think, you know better, how we designed. | 01:03 |
| djszapi_ | system and QProcess should be used carefully, and I do not see the need in this case, that is the other totally wrong approach. | 01:04 |
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| djszapi_ | there are established APIs for this. | 01:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi_: because system and qprocess do NOTHING to solve permission problems... | 01:05 |
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| djszapi_ | *sigh* | 01:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nor qfile nor any other qt apis | 01:05 |
| djszapi_ | I told the nice solution ahlf an hour ago | 01:05 |
| djszapi_ | half* | 01:06 |
| djszapi_ | from aegis design pov | 01:06 |
| macmaN | nice firefox os running n9: http://unleashthephones.com/2012/07/23/video-firefox-os-running-on-a-nokia-n9/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ZomgItsCj+%28UnleashThePhones+-+Mobile+Phone+News%2C+Reviews+and+More%29 | 01:06 |
| djszapi_ | I revealed a borked design decision: system (that he got as a suggestion) | 01:06 |
| djszapi_ | so basically just two big design pitfals, but sure go ahead: mislead him. | 01:06 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, so, i tried to do that way, meaning fixing the aegis file, then adding the modified trinst_xid_swap(), calling it once in main, and then twice when i want to do the brightness changing, but it still seems it doesnt work | 01:13 |
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| djszapi_ | pa: good luck | 01:13 |
| djszapi_ | if you need my help with fixing this nicely, you can find me in private. I keep that option open. | 01:14 |
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| pa | thanks :) | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: hmmmm | 01:17 |
| pa | i guess i better go to sleep now tho.. hope tomorrow i'll find some time to fix it :) | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think the script approach would probably be better, really | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the script approach is where you make a script like | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | #!/bin/sh | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | echo "$1" > /sys/foo | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then you edit the manifest and add a second request that gives UID::root to the script only | 01:18 |
| pa | ah i see | 01:18 |
| pa | could try yes | 01:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and take UID::root off the 1st request | 01:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then your app runs the script using qprocess when it needs to | 01:18 |
| pa | qprocess... = system? | 01:18 |
| ajalkane | Is QProcess enough or do you need to use aegis-exec so that the priviledges are correctly assigned? | 01:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | specifically this function will do nicely https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qprocess.html#execute | 01:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't use system | 01:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but they do roughly similar things | 01:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: nah, qprocess is enough | 01:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, then get rid of any of the changes you made to accomodate that uid swapping thing i suggested before | 01:21 |
| pa | yes, true | 01:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also if you're using qt creator, it's important that you install the script into a path that contains bin | 01:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because qt creator sucks | 01:21 |
| pa | yes i unfortunately use it | 01:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so e.g. /opt/yourapp/bin/something = ok, /usr/bin/something = ok, /usr/lib/yourapp/something = *not* ok | 01:22 |
| pa | and i was already wondering how to make the script end in that dir | 01:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | /opt/yourapp/something = also not ok | 01:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as for how to make it end up there, pretty sure you can tweak your pro files to do that | 01:23 |
| pa | yeah, have to read about it, anyway thanks for the help! | 01:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | later! | 01:28 |
| ajalkane | I'm about to hit the bed, good night! | 01:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | night | 01:30 |
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| heymaster-laptop | http://paste.lisp.org/display/130642 | 01:43 |
| heymaster-laptop | I'm creating new elements for my ListVIEW. Host host = Host(title, hostname, username, port) ; << I need to use NEW operator to alloc memory ? | 01:44 |
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| heymaster-laptop | yeah it worked | 01:56 |
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| heymaster-laptop | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?236877-Qt-QML-ListView-Refresh-ListView&p=900039#post900039 << I answeared my question by my own if anyone interested. | 02:00 |
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| Venemo | heymaster-laptop, can I ask what app is that? | 02:19 |
| heymaster-laptop | Venemo: at least for now I have only ListView and possability to add new row. I don't know if finish this app. | 02:20 |
| heymaster-laptop | Venemo: yes | 02:20 |
| heymaster-laptop | Venemo: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/servermonitor/id401491476?mt=8 << I'm trying to port my iPhone app. | 02:21 |
| heymaster-laptop | But with basic functionaly | 02:22 |
| Venemo | I see | 02:23 |
| Venemo | nice :) | 02:23 |
| gabriel9 | Nice app | 02:23 |
| heymaster-laptop | nothing special :) | 02:23 |
| gabriel9 | and usefull | 02:23 |
| gabriel9 | well for us who have some servers it is nice | 02:24 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 02:24 |
| heymaster-laptop | I talked with one guru admin he said don't write such app, because all admins using Nagios or similar software | 02:25 |
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| gabriel9 | writing apps is good practice | 02:26 |
| gabriel9 | so in any case you should write it | 02:26 |
| heymaster-laptop | :) | 02:27 |
| gabriel9 | i have so many plans and apps in draft | 02:28 |
| gabriel9 | but no time :( | 02:28 |
| gabriel9 | full time job sometimes is really unproductive :D | 02:28 |
| heymaster-laptop | good to you | 02:28 |
| gabriel9 | it is nice | 02:28 |
| gabriel9 | good nigh, 5h untill job start | 02:29 |
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| heymaster-laptop | would be bad if you haven't any ideas :) | 02:29 |
| heymaster-laptop | bye :) | 02:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: so how is it going with app? | 02:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: the app on iphone is yours? | 02:33 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: you just went to sleep, haven't you? | 02:33 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: as i said have listview and functionality to add new row | 02:35 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: yes, it's my app | 02:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: that app is connecting to server right? i forgot the name | 02:36 |
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| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: yes | 02:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: maybe you can use more qml + javascript than? it would be easier? | 02:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | as well you can try to search for libs or apps wit hsimiluar functions to use them as examples? | 02:37 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: thanks. but now i understood how to make things. atleast show listview and new rows | 02:37 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: what's the point ? | 02:37 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: everything is ok | 02:38 |
| heymaster-laptop | read code is harder than write. at least for me | 02:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | for me too, but when i use it and than play with it i start to understand what was done and than i can write myself similuar things | 02:40 |
| heymaster-laptop | yes, read code is the way to master programming | 02:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | not really | 02:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | there are languages i do understand most of code but can't write it myself | 02:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | = | 02:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | =\ | 02:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i'm mostly loser and maybe can't be an example | 02:43 |
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| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: +/- :) | 02:48 |
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| mehranMicro | hi | 03:39 |
| mehranMicro | by this command i can overcome boot looping flasher --set-rd-flags=life-guard | 03:40 |
| mehranMicro | is its solution? | 03:41 |
| mehranMicro | or it is not standard solution? | 03:41 |
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| teleshoes | anyonw know: why doesnt nohup work in meego-terminal? | 04:26 |
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| teleshoes | '& disown' works fine | 04:27 |
| teleshoes | but that needs bash | 04:27 |
| teleshoes | meego-terminal => nohup mplayer song.mp3 & => close term => music stops | 04:27 |
| teleshoes | meego-terminal => mplayer song.mp3 & disown => close term => music merrily continues | 04:28 |
| teleshoes | am i missing something? | 04:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes: use screen | 04:31 |
| teleshoes | is it in the repos? | 04:32 |
| teleshoes | i cant find it | 04:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think someone built it | 04:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=armv7el&filename=tmux_1.3-2%2Bsqueeze1_armel.deb&package=tmux&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 04:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | tmux | 04:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | i bet sreen is somewhere out too | 04:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | night | 04:37 |
| teleshoes | thanks | 04:37 |
| teleshoes | nite | 04:37 |
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| Namek | Does someone knows what do I need in my aegis file to create a dbus interface? | 08:09 |
| mehranMicro | hi | 08:16 |
| mehranMicro | by this command i can overcome boot looping flasher --set-rd-flags=life-guard | 08:16 |
| mehranMicro | is its solution? | 08:16 |
| mehranMicro | or it is not standard solution? | 08:16 |
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| Pali | Hi, I received my n950. I connected it to WIFI it shown me that OTA update is available. I clicked on it and app manager starter downloading ant then installing. After some time screen was black and only Nokia logo was visible. I wait 2 hours but nothing happened. Then I turned device off and on and only Nokia logo was shown and system not started... | 09:41 |
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| Pali | What can I do? It this n950 shit device where updating via app manager not working? | 09:41 |
| japh | I'll buy it if that would make you feel better | 09:43 |
| japh | what exactly was that update? | 09:43 |
| Pali | japh, OTA for system update | 09:43 |
| Pali | I do not remember SW version | 09:44 |
| Pali | japh, is there any problems with system update via WIFI? | 09:44 |
| japh | mm, I had sort of the same issue when I first tried to update to ... 1.1 iirc | 09:45 |
| Pali | on n900 I did not got any problems... | 09:45 |
| Pali | what is last version FW for n950? | 09:45 |
| japh | grab 1.2 and flash it yourself, it'll most likely fix everything | 09:46 |
| japh | uhm afaik 1.2 though some people claim to use 1.3 :p | 09:46 |
| Pali | and correct steps for flashing? I saw on forums that flasher some times failed and refused flashing... | 09:46 |
| japh | yes, sure | 09:47 |
| japh | I wrote a bruteforce script | 09:47 |
| Pali | japh, and what is that your script doing? | 09:48 |
| Pali | try flash more times? | 09:48 |
| Pali | and how to flash n950? | 09:49 |
| japh | pali, https://gist.github.com/3162322 | 09:49 |
| Pali | using oneclickflasher or harmattan flasher from maemo.org? | 09:49 |
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| japh | please read what it does so you don't blame me for dead kittens later today | 09:49 |
| Pali | japh, ok only try more times flash (+ unload phonet kernel drivers) | 09:50 |
| japh | that have worked for me the 3 times I've had to flash it | 09:50 |
| japh | it was sort of the same with n900 too btw | 09:51 |
| gabriel9|work | morning | 10:00 |
| japh | hello | 10:00 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer, hi | 10:09 |
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| Pali | japh, now I downloaded both pr1.1 & pr1.2 firmware | 10:18 |
| Pali | japh, are there any problems which can be visible after flashing? | 10:19 |
| Pali | on nokia site is info that it is not possible to downgrade... | 10:19 |
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| jonni | yes you cannot downgrade to pr1.1 once you have flashed pr1.2 | 10:21 |
| Pali | jonni, problem is that I did not know which version was before OTA update | 10:24 |
| Pali | are there any disadvantages to pr1.2 update? | 10:25 |
| jonni | Pali: doesnt matter, you just flash the pr1.2 beta | 10:25 |
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| Pali | jonni, first I need to know what happened when device tried OTA update | 10:27 |
| Pali | why this brick my device... | 10:28 |
| jonni | Pali: most likely you pressed powerbutton too early, sometimes it takes 3-4hours for it to install. | 10:28 |
| jonni | Pali: if you press powerbutton it bricks the device | 10:28 |
| jonni | Pali: most people are impatient and press powerbutton after seeing nokia logo for 30mins | 10:29 |
| Pali | jonni, when was Nokia logo visible device was in flash process? | 10:29 |
| jonni | which causes brick | 10:29 |
| Pali | jonni, so it does not show any message that device is in flash process? (only nokia logo?) | 10:31 |
| jonni | well I dont remember when it was visible, I just remember that you should never press powerbutton when doing ota update, it boots to grid after xx hours of updating. | 10:31 |
| jonni | it doesnt show any messages | 10:31 |
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| Pali | n900 show small progressbar when nolo & x-loader & cmt FW was upgrating via OTA | 10:31 |
| Pali | jonni, ok thanks for info! | 10:32 |
| jonni | progressbar is only shown when using flasher command. | 10:32 |
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| jonni | ota doesnt snow bar. | 10:32 |
| mehranMicro | jonni:after i entered these commands my N9 boots but with wrench icon and then i enter in terminal: | 10:34 |
| mehranMicro | devel-su | 10:34 |
| mehranMicro | cd /etc/network | 10:34 |
| mehranMicro | ls -l interfaces | 10:34 |
| mehranMicro | cp interfaces.old interfaces | 10:34 |
| mehranMicro | and last command: | 10:34 |
| mehranMicro | flasher --clear-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset --disable-rd-mode | 10:34 |
| mehranMicro | but it back to reboot loop i didnt do any more please help me please | 10:34 |
| Pali | jonni, ok | 10:34 |
| Pali | jonni, need I flash also emmc.bin image or only img.bin? | 10:35 |
| jonni | oneclickflasher includes both, so dont worry about it | 10:35 |
| Pali | but emmc image erase my data? | 10:35 |
| Pali | jonni, is flashing emmc.bin needed? (I unpacked FW from oneclickflasher) | 10:36 |
| Pali | on n900 emmc is only flashing MyDocs where are data & backups... | 10:37 |
| jonni | yes usually its good idea to flash pr1.2 emmc when flashing pr1.2 image, you dont need to flash emmc if you already were on pr1.2, but as you said that you dont know which you were on | 10:37 |
| jonni | if you were already on pr1.2 then you dont need to flash emmc | 10:37 |
| Pali | jonni, I got my n950 last week (from CA program) | 10:38 |
| jonni | if I remember right "flasher -i" will tell you your current sw version | 10:38 |
| Pali | Found device RM-680, hardware revision 1124 NOLO version 2.0.37 Version of 'sw-release': DFL61_HARMATTAN_1.2011.22-6_PR_RM680 | 10:39 |
| jonni | some CA program devices were on beta0, so its a good idea to do full reflash with emmc. | 10:39 |
| jonni | thats PR1.0 | 10:39 |
| Pali | jonni, it is possible to create some backup before flashing? | 10:40 |
| Pali | (e.g contacts) | 10:40 |
| mankeli | Pali: use n950 rescue firmware, it mounts whole emmc as usb storage | 10:40 |
| Pali | mankeli, can you give me link? | 10:41 |
| jonni | if device doesnt bootup then contacts backup is most likely no, unless you have exported vcards to device earlier, in that case you can use rescue kernel. | 10:41 |
| mankeli | let me google that for you | 10:41 |
| Pali | ~rescue | 10:41 |
| jonni | and rescue kernel is good for backing up pics and stuff | 10:41 |
| Pali | seems that infobot is not working here... | 10:42 |
| mankeli | http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state | 10:42 |
| mankeli | but after that you must reflash rootfs again to get out from open mode | 10:42 |
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| Pali | mankeli, I loaded initfs & kernel from that link but not working... | 10:45 |
| Pali | lsusb do not show any device | 10:45 |
| Pali | and in dmesg is no too (on computer) | 10:45 |
| mankeli | reboot the device | 10:47 |
| mankeli | flasher connects to the bootloader | 10:48 |
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| tsdgeos | I'm having this on flashing my N950 http://paste.kde.org/~tsdgeos/521324/ | 10:48 |
| Pali | mankeli, I pressed power button until led was off, then I started flasher and plugged usb | 10:48 |
| tsdgeos | And the phone boots but fails to detect the sim card | 10:49 |
| tsdgeos | is it bricked ? | 10:49 |
| jonni | tsdgeos: partial logs, hard to say. | 10:49 |
| tsdgeos | jonni: that's all the log | 10:49 |
| tsdgeos | jonni: unless you want the thing before "erasing..." | 10:49 |
| jonni | when you paste stuff, you really should give full log starting with sudo flasher. | 10:50 |
| jonni | all the lines before erasing etc are important | 10:50 |
| tsdgeos | jonni: there you go http://paste.kde.org/~tsdgeos/521330/ | 10:50 |
| Pali | stupid, question, but how can I charge battery on n950 when system is dead (only flasher is working) ? | 10:51 |
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| jonni | Pali: flasher charges it automaticly to 11% before flashing | 10:52 |
| Pali | on n900 was this impossible because bme was spawned by upstart init daemon... so only solution was to charge battery in other device/charger | 10:52 |
| Pali | jonni, ok, this looks better :-) | 10:52 |
| jonni | tsdgeos: that log looks like that you have flasher china variant at some point, and then trying going back to global variant, which will always fail if china has been flashed | 10:53 |
| Pali | jonni, but I still did not see usb mass storage device when rescue was booted | 10:53 |
| jonni | tsdgeos: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ page clearly warns that china variant cannot be flashed back to global variant. | 10:54 |
| Pali | jonni, seems that after I load rescue it turn off my device... | 10:54 |
| Arkenoi | damn, screen rot is expanding :-( looks like it is going to be my first Nokia smartphone for 14 years that failed irrecoverably :-( | 10:54 |
| Pali | jonni, and when I run flasher -i (it stop in bootloader) is then phone charging? | 10:57 |
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| jonni | Pali: yes it should be charning then too, (you should see a small breathing while led on one of the corners of the device) | 10:58 |
| Pali | I wait about 5 minutes but rescue system did not exported anything via usb | 10:59 |
| Pali | I restarted it again | 10:59 |
| Pali | and it show USB icon | 11:00 |
| jonni | might be that rescue kernel only started to work on Pr1.1, I dont remember if it worked on pr1.0beta yet. | 11:00 |
| Pali | and led sometimes blink | 11:00 |
| jonni | that means that its charging | 11:00 |
| Pali | ok | 11:00 |
| Pali | so maybe open mode is not with pr1.0 x-loader & nolo? | 11:01 |
| jonni | I dont remember, open mode should work even on pr1.0 though. | 11:02 |
| Pali | ok, I first wait until battery charge | 11:02 |
| Pali | and then I will continue... | 11:02 |
| Pali | jonni, I saw on this post that n950 flasher support backup CAL partition: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23200&postcount=181 | 11:04 |
| Pali | I downloaded harmattan flasher, but that option is missing... | 11:05 |
| Pali | so is there flasher which support it? | 11:05 |
| Arkenoi | n950 screen is better than n9, but making them non-swappable turned out to be bad idea :-( | 11:06 |
| jonni | Pali: that is only supported on R&D cert devices and on internal flasher. that command is not avail for normal end users. | 11:09 |
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| Pali | :-( | 11:10 |
| jabis | lol - I had a dream I solved my problem, but as I waked up I couldn't remember how x) | 11:12 |
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| tsdgeos | jonni: sorry, my electric power decided to die, not sure if you could see something from the full log i pasted | 11:17 |
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| jonni | tsdgeos: that log looks like that you have flasher china variant at some point, and then trying going back to global variant, which will always fail if china has been flashed | 11:24 |
| jonni | tsdgeos: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ page clearly warns that china variant cannot be flashed back to global variant. | 11:24 |
| tsdgeos | jonni: i never did that otoh | 11:24 |
| tsdgeos | jonni: what i did my mistake was update to the n9 kernel by playing with the apt sources | 11:25 |
| jonni | tsdgeos: well thats what the log usually looks like when global variant is tried to be flashed on top of china mcusw. if you never had china variant, then one thing that you can try is to extract that oneclick flasher and do: sudo ./flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure | 11:26 |
| jonni | if that doesnt help then the apt-sources experiment has bricked your cellular modem. | 11:26 |
| tsdgeos | jonni: ok, i'll try that | 11:27 |
| tsdgeos | but i guess it may very well be that the modem is dead | 11:27 |
| tsdgeos | since the phone boots fine | 11:27 |
| jonni | ofcourse you can still flash just kernel and rootfs with --flash-only=rootfs,kernel so you would still get device which boots, but phonecalls might not work | 11:27 |
| tsdgeos | just that the sim is not detected | 11:27 |
| Pali | jonni, now led on my n950 is not blinking... it battery charged? | 11:28 |
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| * Arkenoi is trying to find a local person who is not really concerned about screen problems and will swap for some extra $$ | 11:41 | |
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| Pali | that rescue kernel & initfs not working... | 11:42 |
| Pali | after flasher send and load kernel & initfs device is turned off | 11:43 |
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| Arkenoi | maemoworld.ru registration sucks big time | 11:46 |
| Pali | is there other way how to copy backup file? | 11:48 |
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| macmaN | jonni: yo. got a moment? i still havent figured out how to make dummy network appear in the connection list. it's registered because i can see it in Edit screen. | 12:05 |
| macmaN | n900 wiki seems to imply that gconftool-2 stuff should do it | 12:06 |
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| tsdgeos | jonni: didn't work :-/ Thanks for the help though :-) | 12:09 |
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| chem|st | mmh accounts wont let me change the sipgate port... anyone ran into that? | 12:43 |
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| Arkenoi | for anyone from Russia (pref. Moscow): will swap my n950 with rotten screen + some $$ to flawless one. If you use it for development only and not as your main phone, minor defect should not be an issue. | 12:48 |
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| phako | Arkenoi: you're aware that this is a weakness in the N950 and will most likely happen again? | 12:50 |
| Arkenoi | phako, not for every phone i guess.. i hope to be more lucky next time :-) | 12:50 |
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| * Arkenoi noticed that Nokia silently dropped the ability to organize meetings and send invitations via SMS/MMS :-/ | 12:53 | |
| Arkenoi | was there on symbian, cannot remember for n900 | 12:53 |
| hschmitt | Hi, I try to get bluetooth IRMC protocol to work and obexd can load plugins from a shared objects lib with dlopen | 12:58 |
| hschmitt | is there an aegis restriction with dlopen? | 12:58 |
| alterego | I'd imagine so. | 12:58 |
| alterego | Actually maybe not. Are you having problems getting it loaded? | 12:59 |
| hschmitt | I have already a compiled .so file but I could only test it with a reboot and if something goes wrong my n9 is bricked | 12:59 |
| hschmitt | I cannot kill obexd | 13:01 |
| clau | hmm, endno.de (the home for inception) seems to be down | 13:05 |
| clau | is there any other place to download the files from? | 13:05 |
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| alterego | hschmitt: you wont brick it from installing a plugin :P | 13:12 |
| alterego | You're not messing with the startup process, you'll be fine. | 13:12 |
| alterego | And I don't think aegis stops dlopen. | 13:12 |
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| hschmitt | but obexd loads at startup and if something is wrong with a plugin it exits and that will brick it | 13:13 |
| jonni | it depends if application has added checkorigin=yes to its aegis manifest, if it has, then loading plugins from different origin will fail, and if it hasnt then it works. | 13:16 |
| jonni | and fail meaning in here brick | 13:17 |
| jonni | ofcourse if you install your custom plugin as com.nokia.maemo origin, then there is no problem. | 13:19 |
| hschmitt | obexd loads its plugins from "usr/lib/obex/plugins" I thought I could just copy the .so file there? How can I check the aefis property | 13:21 |
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| TMavica | Anyone can give me Opera 12.006 deb? | 13:25 |
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| Lava_Croft | TMavica: http://www.sharebeast.com/rpqq3ey4jbhd | 14:07 |
| Lava_Croft | Use Google a bit more | 14:07 |
| Lava_Croft | be a happier, less asking person | 14:07 |
| Lava_Croft | i have no idea if that link even works | 14:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | phako: don't say it, it's scary, it would never happen to my phone =P | 14:10 |
| TMavica | thankls, i cant find it in google.. | 14:11 |
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| Pali | flashing via oneclickflasher not working, it send ape-algo image and then show message: Suitable USB interface (phonet) not found, waiting... | 14:45 |
| Pali | it shown this message and after one hour nothing more... | 14:46 |
| jonni | and you pressed the powerbutton on device for 30seconds to go into flashing mode? | 14:46 |
| Pali | I pressed it for 10sec before pluging into usb | 14:47 |
| jonni | wrong order, you plug the usb, then press until vibra | 14:48 |
| Pali | in oneclick flasher info is nothing about 30sec flashing mode | 14:48 |
| jonni | well its not 30 seconds exactly long powerpress or removing battery and inserting battery will 1st go to flashing mode. but only if your cable is connected at the time | 14:49 |
| jonni | otherwise not | 14:49 |
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| Pali | now I started flasher (wait until unpack) plugged into usb, pressed power button until vibra | 14:49 |
| Pali | but same happened | 14:50 |
| Pali | freeze at (phonet) not found | 14:50 |
| jonni | Pali: are you using linux or windows or mac? | 14:50 |
| Pali | linux | 14:50 |
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| Pali | 64bit kubuntu 12.04 | 14:50 |
| jonni | Pali: and are you sure that your cable is directly connected to machine, and not using any usb hubs, as those dont work | 14:50 |
| Pali | yes | 14:51 |
| Pali | but now led light (not blinking) | 14:51 |
| Pali | it is ok? | 14:51 |
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| jonni | kubuntu 12.04 might ofcourse the the fault, as flasher has not been tested in 12.04 at all. | 14:51 |
| Pali | I'm using binary Linux_OCF_02-6_RM680-RM680-OEM1.bin | 14:52 |
| jonni | you might have better luck flashing if you use ubuntu 11.04 or so | 14:52 |
| jonni | or try windows flasher on windows machine, if 12.04 usb drivers would just suck | 14:52 |
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| Pali | also which USB port should I use? USB 3.0 or USB 2.0 ? (I do not have 1.0 or 1.1 :-( ) | 14:53 |
| alterego | I use flasher on 12.04 | 14:53 |
| Lava_Croft | same | 14:53 |
| Lava_Croft | not oneclickflasher tho | 14:53 |
| Aard | Pali: all usb-ports are backwards-compatible | 14:54 |
| Lava_Croft | i installed ubuntu 12.04 just be to be able to flash | 14:54 |
| alterego | have you installed ia32-libs ? | 14:54 |
| Lava_Croft | i had to sacrifice a whole PC to that shit | 14:54 |
| Pali | I have 32bit libs too | 14:54 |
| Lava_Croft | tried another USB port? :P | 14:55 |
| jonni | Pali: 2.0, one thing that you can try is to extract the oneclick flasher and flash it manually from commandline, that way you atleast get better consolelogs. | 14:55 |
| Pali | jonni, ok | 14:55 |
| jonni | usually its is usb port or unstable usb driver which cause the problems thouugh | 14:55 |
| jonni | so testing on different port can help too | 14:55 |
| Lava_Croft | yup | 14:55 |
| Pali | and 32 or 64 bit flasher? | 14:55 |
| Lava_Croft | my experience is that front USB ports are the ones that tend to not work | 14:56 |
| Lava_Croft | with flashing | 14:56 |
| Lava_Croft | had that experience with quite a few different desktop PCs | 14:56 |
| Lava_Croft | dont ask me why | 14:56 |
| Pali | ok, so what is correct steps for flashing n950? | 14:57 |
| Pali | is this somewhere written? | 14:57 |
| jonni | no, correct steps is to run the bin, plug the cable and press powerbutton untill reboot. | 14:59 |
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| jonni | and rinse and repeat if problems | 14:59 |
| jonni | and if there is problems then you can use flasher and magic flags. But you really shouldnt. | 15:00 |
| jonni | as rescue kernel didnt work for you, then the problem most likely is your usb port or kubuntu 12.04, so testing with different machine and different distro is most likely your solution. | 15:01 |
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| jonni | as there has been quite many problems with kubuntu users, and that distro is not officially supported, so those users have to find sulution themselves. | 15:02 |
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| Pali | now I tried eSATA port and this seems working | 15:10 |
| Pali | now oneclick flasher write: Erasing, this may take a while. | 15:11 |
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| jonni | secure erase takes 10mins, quick erase about a minute | 15:13 |
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| Pali | ok, so I'm waiting... | 15:18 |
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| Pali | jonni, flasher finished, look at log: http://pastebin.com/BRvJML6d it is ok? | 15:32 |
| Pali | now my n950 booted | 15:32 |
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| jonni | Pali: yes looks normal. | 15:33 |
| Pali | ok, thanks! now I know that I must use eSATA port for flashing | 15:34 |
| lylyc | pls after update PR 1.3 web not responding and slow what should i do ? | 15:38 |
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| Hurrian | Pali, you just need a USB port on the motherboard. | 15:52 |
| Hurrian | No case extenders, no hubs. | 15:52 |
| Pali | I have only my notebook here | 15:52 |
| Hurrian | eSATA is a bit overkill ;) | 15:52 |
| Pali | and only eSATA for phonet worked | 15:53 |
| Hurrian | Pali, motherboard probably has a built-in hub | 15:53 |
| Hurrian | usually for putting ports on both sides of notebook | 15:53 |
| Pali | but it found bootloader usb | 15:53 |
| Hurrian | it's just flasher being flaky as usual | 15:53 |
| Pali | I have 2 USB 3.0, one USB 2.0 with charging when notebook is turned off and one eSATA | 15:54 |
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| Pali | Hurrian, but kernel did not see any usb interface | 15:54 |
| Hurrian | oh well, I guess it's just machine specific. | 15:55 |
| Hurrian | lots of bootloader modes to flash via USB act up on different machines | 15:55 |
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| Pali | Hurrian, yes phonet mode using Mk II protocol | 15:56 |
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| pa | nooo | 16:19 |
| pa | harmattan supports max 8char long passwords | 16:19 |
| pa | how lame | 16:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh yeah | 16:19 |
| pa | hm | 16:23 |
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| chem|st | who is 'organiser feed' devel in here? | 16:32 |
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| chem|st | nvm they fixed it in upstream | 16:44 |
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| pa | so, i tried to add a shell script to my app, in order to write to a file to which only root can write, and i added to the manifest .aegis this snippet: http://codepad.org/U6GkcZA3 | 17:06 |
| pa | but when i open a terminal, and try to use my script, i stll get permission denied, on the write to the file | 17:07 |
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| Pali | how can I connect to n950 ssh server via wifi? | 17:15 |
| Pali | I already copied autorized_keys into ~/.ssh/ and restarted device | 17:15 |
| Pali | but still not working... | 17:15 |
| Aard | try to set a password for the user on the device | 17:16 |
| Pali | (sshd is running in in n950) | 17:16 |
| Pali | Aard, but I want to use ssh keys, no passwords... | 17:16 |
| Aard | check the user, it's possible he's locked on the device | 17:16 |
| Aard | (usually you're supposed to use the devel user) | 17:17 |
| mankeli | well i also want to be king of the world, but i guess i cannot just go from a to z directly. narrow down the problem first by advancing in small steps | 17:17 |
| clau | Aard, what user are you using ? | 17:17 |
| clau | uhm, pali, not Aard | 17:18 |
| Pali | Aard, thanks! account "user" was really lock | 17:18 |
| Aard | clau: for me login worked as root and developer, before 1.3. with 1.3 I can only login via usb, and didn't have time (or need) to find out why | 17:18 |
| Pali | I unlocked it via "passwd -u user" | 17:18 |
| clau | Aard, probably ssh is set to not accept root user anymore; but I thought it to be true for pr1.2 too :| | 17:19 |
| Pali | also I commented line "AllowUsers *@127.0.0.1 *@10.0.0.0/8 *@172.16.0.0/12 *@192.168.0.0/16" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config | 17:20 |
| Aard | clau: you can always change the configuration ;) I just didn't have time to investigate | 17:20 |
| clau | of course :) | 17:20 |
| clau | just checked mine. I still have 1.2 and in /etc/ssh/sshd_config I have PermitRootLogin no | 17:21 |
| pa | is it possible to check what aegis capabilities are granted to a certain file? | 17:22 |
| clau | I'm curios if I can find that for a certain installed package too | 17:22 |
| clau | I know how to check the aegis manifest for a .deb file, but is it possible to check it for an already installed package? | 17:23 |
| pa | clau, in my case i would also like to verify the capabilities "per file" | 17:23 |
| pa | coz i am trying to request different capabilities for different files in the .deb | 17:23 |
| clau | pa, I think you can find out the source package of the file, hence you could check the aegis manifest to see what rights a file has | 17:24 |
| pa | well, the thing is i wrote the manifest | 17:24 |
| pa | but i want to see if what i ask for is in effect | 17:24 |
| clau | I see; sorry, no idea | 17:25 |
| Keints | hi...can somebody help me to get my app working using MDeclarativeCache...in simulator | 17:29 |
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| Keints | i have modified main.cpp file to use it...but i get the following error "MDeclarativeCache: No such file or directory" | 17:31 |
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| jabis | Keints: add pkg-config to build depends in your .pro file | 17:33 |
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| jabis | Keints: I'd recall it's in qmsystem2, so CONFIG += link_pkgconfig \ PKGCONFIG += qmsystem2 \ CFLAGS += `pkg-config --cflags qmsystem2` \ LDFLAGS += `pkg-config --libs qmsystem2` | 17:40 |
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| Keints | jabis: thanx, will try | 17:41 |
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| jabis | np :) | 17:43 |
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| Keints | still doesn't work for me...i get this error when building project "'pkg-config' is not recognized as an internal or external command, | 17:46 |
| Keints | operable program or batch file." | 17:46 |
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| Jaffa | Afternoon, all | 17:48 |
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| clau | o/ | 17:54 |
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| pa | tehdely, so, as a first approximation, you'd like to have pulse, altitude, latitude , longitude, time every x seconds on the file, right? | 18:07 |
| jabis | Keints: the options I threw were with \ resembling new lines - sorry for the confusion | 18:07 |
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| jabis | Keints: but could be your missing build-essential packages | 18:07 |
| jabis | s/your/you're/ | 18:07 |
| infobot | jabis meant: Keints: but could be you're missing build-essential packages | 18:07 |
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| Keints | jabis: i understood newlines | 18:09 |
| Keints | how can i check if i have this "build-essential" package? | 18:09 |
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| jabis | Keints: looking at that error, it seems you're running windows? | 18:12 |
| Keints | jabis: yes....that is correct | 18:12 |
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| jabis | Keints: I thought you were using scratchbox - so setting up pkg-config is a bit trickier | 18:15 |
| jabis | Keints: try to change the pkg-config to 'mad pkg-config' without the quotes, to see whether it links then | 18:16 |
| jabis | either directly or then go and fix it in your build target's file "usr\share\qt4\mkspecs\features\link_pkgconfig.prf" | 18:17 |
| Keints | you mean CONFIG += mad pkg-config ? | 18:19 |
| jabis | nah - the flags | 18:20 |
| jabis | link_pkgconfig points to the targets path I gave you - you should change it there | 18:21 |
| jabis | and then to the CFLAGS and LDFLAGS (this is just a hunch as I don't have an environment other than scratchbox myself) | 18:22 |
| Keints | maybe my main.cpp is buggy...it looks like this | 18:22 |
| Keints | http://pastie.org/4306732 | 18:22 |
| Keints | SDK editor already underlines line 2..where i try to include MDeclarativeCache | 18:23 |
| ZogG_lap1op | ~ping | 18:23 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:23 |
| jabis | that's because you need the dependencies, the error was specific - the pkg-config is not found - mad(de) is already in the path after install, so that should take care of it | 18:24 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ~ping | 18:28 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:28 |
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| heymaster-laptop | What about Harmmatan multitasking ? Are apps suspend after they dismissed ? | 18:36 |
| heymaster-laptop | suspended* | 18:36 |
| phako | what do you mean by dismissed? | 18:37 |
| heymaster-laptop | phako: not showed | 18:37 |
| heymaster-laptop | phako: say app switched with swipe interface | 18:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: ping | 18:37 |
| phako | if you just swipe them away they continue running, although app authors are kindly asked to be polite to the rest of the system (like disabling extensive ui updates) | 18:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | phako: i heymaster-laptop and there is some limits to video as well =) | 18:38 |
| Keints | jabis: thanx for help but this problem seems to be over my head...i will continue to develop my app without cache functionality for now...and return to it later | 18:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: you can use deamon for you service and ui separetly | 18:39 |
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| heymaster-laptop | phako, ZogG_laptop: and what about disabling timers | 18:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: no idea | 18:39 |
| heymaster-laptop | My app updating servers information | 18:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: so your app is sending or reciving info? | 18:40 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: yes | 18:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | yes what? | 18:40 |
| phako | heymaster-laptop: yes is not a good answer to an "or" question ;) | 18:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's "or" question =P | 18:40 |
| phako | heymaster-laptop: there's some hints on harmattan-dev websites | 18:40 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: both | 18:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | just if it recives you can try to use push notification or something similuar. i dunno | 18:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: what is the trigger | 18:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | phone triggers, server triggers or ddepends and both? | 18:41 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: phako I thinking to use QTimer and allocate QThread to fetch data | 18:41 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: it's periodically. say every 60 seconds. depends on configuration | 18:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: that's more than i understand :) | 18:42 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: no problem :) | 18:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: make a separete service/daemon, like sync services | 18:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | if it needs user interaction you may use push notification wich would trigger UI app | 18:43 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: on iPhone you get notifications and if app get suspended you can stop timer, cleanup data | 18:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | but again i'm not that good at this | 18:43 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: it doesn't need user interaction | 18:44 |
| heymaster-laptop | User will open app and would see latest received information | 18:45 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: what's the point to use service ? | 18:45 |
| heymaster-laptop | or daemon | 18:45 |
| jabis | you could publish the state and emit onChange handlers depending foreground/background - have a look at meego-camera-app for example | 18:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: service/daemon is nice if you want to have user to get notifications on updates when app is closed | 18:47 |
| heymaster-laptop | jabis: i will receive information if my app foreground or background ? | 18:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: i think both | 18:48 |
| jabis | yes - you can declare signals and tie them in states | 18:48 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop, jabis thanks.. i will check meego-camera-app example | 18:49 |
| jabis | the camera app switches lenscover and the ui off when entering background - so it's a perfect example :) | 18:49 |
| heymaster-laptop | jabis: thanks | 18:49 |
| jabis | heymaster-laptop: np :) | 18:50 |
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| phako | heymaster-laptop: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Best_practices_for_application_development_Optimising_power_consumption.html | 18:52 |
| heymaster-laptop | phako: great tips :) | 18:53 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: pong | 18:54 |
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| Venemo_N9 | good afternoon everyone | 19:15 |
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| djszapi | any native speakers around willing to help me with reviewing a short email before sending? | 19:19 |
| denism | djszapi: I am native speaker. but not in English | 19:22 |
| Venemo_N9 | hehe | 19:23 |
| Venemo_N9 | lol | 19:23 |
| djszapi | denism: I do not obviously send an email in Russian :D | 19:24 |
| djszapi | but yeah, an English native speaker pls ;) | 19:24 |
| Venemo_N9 | this channel is always an endless source of fun :D | 19:24 |
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| djszapi | no blackberry jam in Helsinki, nor dublni :/ | 19:43 |
| djszapi | Dublin* | 19:43 |
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| pa | yeah, my switch is now in the store :) | 20:35 |
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| MohammadAG | /tmp is cleared on shutdown right? | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | I want to implement safe mode in unrestricted-system-ui | 20:44 |
| Estel_ | lame question mode on - where I could find some knowledge base (like maemo.org wiki) about N950/N900? with things like state of hostmode, using external mouse and keyboard, essential packages (like kernel-power, CSSu, and busybox-power in Maemo), and so goes on? | 20:51 |
| Estel_ | or one just need to scavenge from scattered threads on TMO? | 20:51 |
| Estel_ | and 2nd question, re N950 - what's type of screws from hell are keeping backcover in place, none of my torx'es seems to fit | 20:52 |
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| Estel_ | I but it looks like 6 arms star, like torx | 20:52 |
| Estel_ | anyone disassembled N950? | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | T5 | 20:56 |
| Estel_ | Thanks a lot. Damn, my torx 5 doesn't fit... | 20:58 |
| Estel_ | Anyway, any catches or hard moments, when disassembling? Something to take special care, when proceeding? | 20:59 |
| Estel_ | special care about* | 20:59 |
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| MohammadAG | taking off the back cover was a bitch | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | you'll need to pry it off from the bottom side, but gently | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | also when you get to the screen tilt mech, be careful | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | I gave up there | 21:06 |
| Estel_ | ./all right, thanks... i'll try. for now, those damn screws are a bitch, neither torx4 or torx 5 seems to fit | 21:10 |
| * Estel_ is looking for hammer | 21:10 | |
| Estel_ | funny thing - torx 4 actually seems to have a little better grip, but only for microsecond | 21:11 |
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| Pali | do you know if there is some case for n950? | 21:16 |
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| Estel_ | Pali, define case | 21:34 |
| Estel_ | body replacement? holding case? | 21:34 |
| Estel_ | BTW, Pali, have You received Your N950? What are first thoughts? :) | 21:35 |
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| Estel_ | I was forced to jump instantly into using it as main pocket computer/phone (although, for just few days - my N900's replacement motherboard is on it's way), so it's kinda mixed feeling, sado-macho a little | 21:35 |
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| Estel_ | some things are great, others piss me off beoynd sanity | 21:35 |
| Estel_ | it's strange device, great when looking from one side, but You come to wasted potential everywhere. I love hardware resources (RAM, RAM...) and some design choices (I love screen tilt mechanism and 4 rows keyboard) | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | ...but others make me curse. Who decided, to drop camera lens cover, #$#%? no microSD? Removing those "4 torx from hell) to get to battery? | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | why no hardware button for camera, and so much wasted space on sides (only 3 buttons) | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | antenna placement - many times I have full signal when holding it upside down, and 0-5% when holding normally, FFS. On places, when N900 have 80-90% signal strength and 100% quality | 21:38 |
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| Estel_ | lovely screen using very low ammount of power... But damn capacitive digitizer, making me cry for stylus-friendly resistive one, many times | 21:39 |
| Estel_ | not to mention well-known idiotic things like FM transmitter not connected to any antenna, internally | 21:39 |
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| Estel_ | and UI, I really hate swipe, would love to see hildon there ;) | 21:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pff | 21:40 |
| Estel_ | well, so it's kinda mixed cheers/sad and love/hate relationship | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Swipe is the best thing since sliced bread. | 21:40 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, sure, especially, when it makes me do 4 steps to close 3 of 4 opened windows, instead of one | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're doing it wrong. | 21:40 |
| Estel_ | swipe them out, long press to see "x" buttons (why they're not shown all the time?) | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Swipe from top to bottom closes a the current application. | 21:41 |
| Estel_ | quite possible, I'm damn new to this | 21:41 |
| Estel_ | doesn't work for me. even if it start after upgrade, I want to do it from tasknav :P | 21:41 |
| Estel_ | without going into every application over and over | 21:41 |
| Estel_ | and, if I'm in goddamn "delete" mode in tasknav, why need to click "done" to close it, instead of clicking outside applications windows? | 21:42 |
| Estel_ | not to mention 3/4 of UI being in portrait mode, even if I have keyboard slided out, and in landscape (maybe another thing that require me upgrading software, no idea) | 21:42 |
| Estel_ | my head is going to remain in constant tilt | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are apps for that. | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rotate lock screen, N9Tweaks | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | I know, probably, many of those rantys are due to me jumping (without my will, due to N900 getting broken same day when N950 arfrived) from CSSU/kernel-power enchanced N900 to "virgin" N950... | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | I'm sure that after some tweaking, UI becomes bearable | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, thanks, speaking about that, is there any knowledge base for N950? | 21:44 |
| Estel_ | like maemo.org wiki for N900? | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some's on the wiki meego wiki | 21:44 |
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| Estel_ | I feel little lost, initially. Would like to read about essential packages (like cssu, kernel-power and busybox-power for Maemo) for N950, and so goes on | 21:44 |
| Estel_ | I see. for others, reading scattered threads on TMO is only one way? | 21:44 |
| Estel_ | anjd what's the deal about upgrading, I've heard that trying to upgrade will put me into reboot loop, and that I need to use oneclickflasher to Pr 1.2 afterwards | 21:45 |
| japh | coreutils and the other gnu utils, vim, mplayer | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | if it's true, why bother upgrading on device at all, instead of using oneclickflasher from start? | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | japh, thanks | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | hostmode status? | 21:45 |
| japh | oneclickflasher? | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | cursor mode for external mouse? | 21:45 |
| japh | I never got to click | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | japh, no idea, I'm quoting :p | 21:46 |
| * ArkanoiD- quite seriously thinks about buying another n950 if no one is willing to swap | 21:46 | |
| japh | many people are willing | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | ArkanoiD-, swap for what? N950 is kinda unique ;) | 21:46 |
| ArkanoiD- | Estel_, rotten screen + some $$ -> good one | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | well, my N900's replacement is on it's way, but I would like to show N950's some more love, and read/tweak it extensively | 21:47 |
| Estel_ | ArkanoiD-, I see | 21:47 |
| ArkanoiD- | as it is impossible to find spare screen | 21:47 |
| japh | n900 replacement being n9 or windows phone? | 21:47 |
| ArkanoiD- | (apparently) | 21:47 |
| Estel_ | japh, N900 replacement being another N900 :P | 21:47 |
| japh | aha. still. | 21:47 |
| Estel_ | I'm using it as mobile computer, full replacement for notebook (and phone, obviously) for now, N950 doesn't allow me to do that, due to being feature incomplete. Maybe it will change, especially, given efforts to run hildon-desktop in chroot | 21:48 |
| Estel_ | BTw, any experiences with capacitive styluses and N950? | 21:48 |
| Estel_ | this capacitive screen drives me mad | 21:48 |
| japh | it took me 2-3 months where I felt like that | 21:48 |
| ArkanoiD- | Estel_, terrible | 21:48 |
| japh | the fucking ui is still something I hate | 21:49 |
| ArkanoiD- | Estel_, yes, having just *no* mobile office suite sucks big time | 21:49 |
| ArkanoiD- | just stupid viewer | 21:49 |
| Estel_ | japh, same here | 21:49 |
| Estel_ | ArkanoiD-, easy debian? what's state of this for Harm? | 21:49 |
| ArkanoiD- | and when i say "stupid" i mean that | 21:49 |
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| Estel_ | as stupid as harm stock browser? :D | 21:49 |
| Estel_ | this thing drives me mad too | 21:49 |
| japh | hey firefox is awesome here though | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | don't get me wrong, N950 is really awesome device in many, many ways | 21:50 |
| japh | it was horrible on n900 | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | it's just that it have many quirks too... | 21:50 |
| ArkanoiD- | Estel_, even if you manage getting it to work it will suck without proper stylus | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | ArkanoiD-, it's what I was afraid of | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | someone who decided to put capacitive screen there should suffer | 21:50 |
| japh | can you not buy a stylus? | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | japh, regular stylus doesn't work, capacitive ones suck big time | 21:50 |
| japh | I'm mostly using keyboard myself :p | 21:50 |
| japh | aha | 21:50 |
| ArkanoiD- | Estel_, actually samsung solved this problem, for example | 21:51 |
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| Estel_ | well, maybe someone will write program to use N9/50 screen as notebook touchpad, it would help much in using easy debian | 21:51 |
| Estel_ | ArkanoiD-, yea, I know... | 21:51 |
| ZogG_lap1op | touch screen is nice | 21:52 |
| Estel_ | Well, considering that N950 is much thinner than N900, and size of N900 with mugen cover was perfect for me, I'm thinking about putting some awesome battery life there, by custom backcover... | 21:52 |
| ZogG_lap1op | and more responsive than n900's one | 21:52 |
| japh | I'm sure it's nice when you don't have my chorizo fingers | 21:52 |
| Estel_ | ZogG, sure, so go and run easy debian on it, then come back | 21:52 |
| ArkanoiD- | n900 touch sensor was just good, but you know, resistive screens are "obsolete" | 21:53 |
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| Estel_ | japh, I'm quite good at fingering (!) it, still, no stylus sucks | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | is it possible to kill your own app from the inside? | 21:53 |
| ArkanoiD- | mugen cover sucks on n900 | 21:53 |
| Estel_ | ArkanoiD-, N900's screen was one of best thing I've seen for this | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | I'm thinking system("killall") | 21:53 |
| japh | kill 9, $$ | 21:53 |
| ArkanoiD- | enormously ugly | 21:53 |
| Estel_ | ArkanoiD-, mugen cover on N900 makes typing much more comfortable - side effect | 21:53 |
| Estel_ | and I'm putting 6800 mAh battery there (2x 18650), beat that :p | 21:54 |
| Arie | teleshoes: hi | 21:54 |
| teleshoes | hey arie | 21:54 |
| Estel_ | (before device got broken, I used 3000 mAh one) | 21:54 |
| ArkanoiD- | Estel_, they could do it better, but they did not. and i am not willing to pay a single cent for this piece of uglyness. | 21:54 |
| japh | estel_, I simply use the cable | 21:54 |
| japh | I rarely go out :p | 21:54 |
| teleshoes | mohammadag, yes a process can send a kill signal to itself | 21:54 |
| teleshoes | is this facetious? | 21:54 |
| Estel_ | ArkanoiD-, I've also modified mugen cover to contain properly working camera lens cover. And I agree that mugen cover is overpriced | 21:54 |
| teleshoes | mugen cover? | 21:55 |
| teleshoes | i have an n900 huge battery | 21:55 |
| Estel_ | I'm currently working on black alu replacement body for N900 :p | 21:55 |
| teleshoes | but it broke | 21:55 |
| teleshoes | mugen | 21:55 |
| Estel_ | Well, mugen battery sucks too, 2400 mAh for 80 USD?! | 21:55 |
| ArkanoiD- | it is not just overpriced, they could do a proper n810-style stand and lens cover, to make it all better than original one, they did not, no money from me, ever | 21:55 |
| Estel_ | I used DIY dual-battery from 2 scuds | 21:55 |
| japh | that's another n900 | 21:55 |
| teleshoes | estel, aww i wish i was that cool | 21:55 |
| teleshoes | 80? | 21:55 |
| Estel_ | well, judging by N950 size, 7Ah of battery power is achievable without more thickness than N900 with mugen cover | 21:55 |
| teleshoes | i thought they went solidly for 200 | 21:55 |
| teleshoes | yea | 21:56 |
| teleshoes | its all empty inside | 21:56 |
| teleshoes | bad design | 21:56 |
| teleshoes | the battery is reasonably dense | 21:56 |
| japh | I got my n950 for less than 200 | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | teleshoes, and screen use less power | 21:56 |
| teleshoes | but the cover is stupid | 21:56 |
| Arie | the n900 battery was way too small for what it needed to be | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | well, now I'm stuck on removing those 4 torx 5 screws | 21:56 |
| ArkanoiD- | teleshoes, yep. i had mugen battery on my e90 and it was good, but for n900 -- thanks, no | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | no torx 5 screwdriver I have fits there | 21:56 |
| teleshoes | i bought it and it was great to actually get a fully day | 21:57 |
| teleshoes | of internet | 21:57 |
| Estel_ | ArkanoiD-, dual scud was 3x cheaper than mugen battery, and had 3000+ mAh (real) | 21:57 |
| teleshoes | but the fucker breaks | 21:57 |
| japh | now I finaly figured out who you are | 21:57 |
| teleshoes | yea, i have those yellow scuds | 21:57 |
| teleshoes | theyre awesome | 21:57 |
| japh | you were holding perl classes here right? | 21:57 |
| teleshoes | i bought four and just kept a spare | 21:57 |
| Estel_ | 2 18650's with 3400 mAh each, as in my custom body replacement project, have, currently, 6,8Ah power | 21:57 |
| Estel_ | running for week of heavy usage :P | 21:57 |
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| teleshoes | estel | 21:57 |
| teleshoes | what | 21:57 |
| teleshoes | are you talking about? | 21:57 |
| teleshoes | i want | 21:57 |
| Arie | Estel_: how long does that take to charge? | 21:58 |
| teleshoes | arie | 21:58 |
| teleshoes | you can just calculate it | 21:58 |
| teleshoes | 7 hours | 21:58 |
| teleshoes | at best | 21:58 |
| Estel_ | teleshoes, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83928 | 21:58 |
| Arie | teleshoes: that is ridiculous the n9 needs that | 21:58 |
| teleshoes | with nokia charger | 21:58 |
| Estel_ | yea, 7 hours, little less if You charge with 1250 current (via charge21.sh script) | 21:58 |
| teleshoes | oh snap | 21:58 |
| teleshoes | neva hoid of it | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | my pleasure :) | 21:59 |
| teleshoes | i would double n9's size | 21:59 |
| teleshoes | in a heartbeat | 21:59 |
| teleshoes | to have 7ah | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | well, for distant future, I plan custom bodies for N9 and maybe N950's too | 21:59 |
| teleshoes | estel, can i preorder..? | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | Teleshoes, it require little more than double thickness of N9 | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | sure, everything is in this thread | 21:59 |
| japh | so yes I want bodies too | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | although ETA is still unknown, as i'm doing this in spare time | 21:59 |
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| Estel_ | I've posted videos and photos of CNCmachine too, near last page | 22:00 |
| japh | surely I've broken my phones by then then :p | 22:00 |
| Estel_ | 18650 have 1,8 diameter, so you must add ~20 mm to thickness | 22:00 |
| Estel_ | in N900 I solved it by getting rid of standard's battery house | 22:00 |
| teleshoes | ' properly shielded cables with Hirose U.FL plugs on inside (to connect into N900's mainboard's Hirose U.FL sockets), ' | 22:00 |
| teleshoes | my heart is racing | 22:01 |
| Estel_ | 18650 is almsot touching EMI shields | 22:01 |
| Estel_ | teleshoes, same here, when I realized possibility of adding it :) | 22:01 |
| Estel_ | as I actually do DIY fractal antennas for myself, too ;P | 22:01 |
| Estel_ | actually, some people already pre-ordered (pre-ordering people are getting custom engraving on their choice, text, logo, whatever, engraved on aluminum backcover or any other flat enough part) | 22:02 |
| japh | http://devel.japh.se/hardware/n900_fmrx_mod-001.jpg | 22:02 |
| Estel_ | + are resistant to price incrteases, when I decide that it's going to be more expensive, after all | 22:02 |
| Estel_ | jabis, wtf is that? | 22:03 |
| Estel_ | japh* | 22:03 |
| japh | that is my dyiing | 22:03 |
| japh | d | 22:03 |
| japh | DYIing | 22:03 |
| Estel_ | ah, I see | 22:03 |
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| japh | wanna preorder?? | 22:03 |
| japh | :p | 22:03 |
| Estel_ | well, I once connected big roof antenna to jack plug and N900 :) | 22:03 |
| japh | lol | 22:03 |
| Estel_ | actually, I have - in my pocket, right now - DIY adaptor, from antenna connector to jack | 22:04 |
| Estel_ | You would be surprised about content of my small accessory set for N900, that I have always with it | 22:04 |
| Tronic | Estel_: Wouldn't 14650s be more appropriate for a phone? | 22:04 |
| japh | I wish I could DIM when it comes to hardware too and not just software... | 22:04 |
| Estel_ | thought about that, unfortunately, they're only little less thick, yet much more expensive and suck much more @ capacity | 22:05 |
| japh | there are some times where not knowing hw stuff really is a limitation | 22:05 |
| Tronic | I see. | 22:05 |
| Estel_ | 18650's are most widely used, are never going to dissapear, get max capacity first, and are least expensive | 22:05 |
| Tronic | 18650's certainly got the sweet spot of capacity per buck. | 22:05 |
| Estel_ | yea | 22:05 |
| Estel_ | thats the point | 22:05 |
| Estel_ | japh, I wish I could do things in software, not only in hardware :P | 22:06 |
| Estel_ | I mean coding | 22:06 |
| japh | heh | 22:06 |
| Estel_ | well, I'm self-learner when it comes to DIY | 22:06 |
| japh | the girls prefer the hard guys I've heard :( | 22:06 |
| Estel_ | not when they see what You keep in pocket | 22:06 |
| japh | hahaha | 22:07 |
| Tronic | I'm hoping for 26650 to gain popularity (in high power flashlights). The shape is better suited for flashlights and 3x 26650 can be directly replaced with 4x C-cell alkalines. | 22:07 |
| teleshoes | oh i get it you mean your penis | 22:07 |
| Tronic | (assuming that the controller has wide range of suitable input voltages, of course, but they do) | 22:07 |
| Estel_ | Tronic, sure, but 2.6 don't have a chance to fit into N900's body, remember about microSd and camera | 22:07 |
| teleshoes | estel | 22:07 |
| Tronic | Estel_: For a phone I would really prefer a flat battery even if that means slightly less capacity and more price. | 22:08 |
| teleshoes | did you just say you dont code? | 22:08 |
| Estel_ | teleshoes, actually, video output adaptor, antenna adaptor, portable fractal antenna with various frequency response, depending on how You assembly it... | 22:08 |
| Estel_ | Tronic, sure, but flat batteries have *much* not slighter less capacity, even considering loss of space when using 2 cylinders of 18650 | 22:09 |
| Estel_ | teleshoes, I code very, very little | 22:09 |
| ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: how F do you live in Jerusalem, people are crazy here, and they drive like idiots (in TLV too, but here more idiotic) | 22:09 |
| Estel_ | BTw, - I can build and design CNC machine, and project and manufacture custom DIY body for N900, but I can't unscrew fuckin 4 x torx in N950, for the life of me | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_lap1op, you need to act like an idiot to live here | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | so drive like an idiot and you'll live | 22:10 |
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| Estel_ | I'm really going to cut into screws a little, using screwdriver and hammer | 22:10 |
| ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: i'm here, if you want to meet btw =) | 22:10 |
| * ArkanoiD- found the screws to be unscrewed quite easily | 22:10 | |
| MohammadAG | I'm in Ramallah atm :/ | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_lap1op, how long? | 22:11 |
| Estel_ | ArkanoiD-, for me neither torx 4 or 5 works | 22:11 |
| Estel_ | maybe my screwdrivers doesn't keep sizes precise, no idea | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | T5 worked fine for me | 22:11 |
| merlin1991 | I remember there was a script on tmo for various n9 tweaks, what was the name? | 22:11 |
| ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: few days, are you comming to Qt MeetUp on 7th august, you can stay at my place if you want btw | 22:11 |
| japh | so how many years would your educated guess be until we'll get something usable to replace the n9{0,5}0? I can't see android ever being an option and this meego/tizen/mer/jolla thing all seems a mess... | 22:11 |
| * ArkanoiD- purchased some cheapo chinese universal screwdriver set and it worked precisely as expected | 22:11 | |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_lap1op, exam this Friday | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | and on 2/8 | 22:11 |
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| MohammadAG | then some more exams on some later dates | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure if I can come, but I'll honestly try | 22:12 |
| Estel_ | japh, no idea, probably, when some team will prepare proper FOSS hardware :P | 22:12 |
| ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: it's 7/8 i can link you | 22:12 |
| teleshoes | => never | 22:12 |
| japh | right but I don't see whom would 'sponsor' them now | 22:12 |
| ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: me and damagedspline meeting before for a beer | 22:12 |
| Estel_ | japh, no idea, Rpi isn't full FOSS, but it's neat nevertheless | 22:12 |
| Estel_ | same for Open Pandora | 22:12 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: nobody is ever going to prepare FOSS hardware ;) | 22:12 |
| Estel_ | I would accept such ammount of FOSS % in FOSS | 22:12 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, arduino? ;) | 22:13 |
| merlin1991 | foss = free and open source *SOFTWARE* | 22:13 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, yea, but You know what I mean ;) | 22:13 |
| ZogG_lap1op | merlin1991: not in close future, but i think someday it would be standartd | 22:13 |
| teleshoes | heh | 22:13 |
| merlin1991 | so unless you're talking about emulators nobody is going to build foss hardware :D | 22:13 |
| Estel_ | FOSH, let it be | 22:13 |
| ZogG_lap1op | standard* | 22:13 |
| Estel_ | or FODH | 22:13 |
| Estel_ | free and open design hardware ;) | 22:14 |
| teleshoes | design | 22:14 |
| teleshoes | yea | 22:14 |
| Estel_ | sounds almost like ADHD | 22:14 |
| ZogG_lap1op | but why free? | 22:14 |
| teleshoes | fpga | 22:14 |
| Estel_ | free as in no roylaty fees to use design ;) | 22:14 |
| teleshoes | field programmable gate arrays may or may not be the future | 22:14 |
| teleshoes | but if they are | 22:14 |
| ZogG_lap1op | you pay for things, i don't think free, but open | 22:14 |
| Estel_ | ZogG, FOSS is free even if You pay for it | 22:15 |
| teleshoes | if something has royaltys, its not free | 22:15 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: ? | 22:15 |
| Estel_ | the thing is that You can use code without additional fees or restriction | 22:15 |
| Estel_ | well, it doesn't have to be free as in beer | 22:15 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: it's different | 22:15 |
| Estel_ | common missunderstanding about FOSS, it is | 22:15 |
| Estel_ | FOSS compatible things are, some times, actually payed to obtain compiled copy and it's ok | 22:15 |
| Estel_ | it's not FOSS license violation | 22:16 |
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| ArkanoiD- | there is opensparc and things like that | 22:16 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: i think than it's Free-Open sourse software =) | 22:16 |
| ZogG_lap1op | free for open =P | 22:16 |
| Estel_ | same goes for arduino, You buy it, but You can build it on your own too, legally, even sell (only name is trademarkied) | 22:16 |
| Estel_ | anyway | 22:16 |
| teleshoes | opensource is not the same as free-as-in-freedom | 22:16 |
| japh | infobot, wiki opencola | 22:16 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opencola (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'OpenCola' or 'Opencola' may refer to: * OpenCola (drink), a brand of cola with an openly available recipe * Opencola (company), Canadian software company " | 22:16 |
| japh | yeye | 22:16 |
| Estel_ | teleshoes, exactly | 22:16 |
| teleshoes | open source plus royalties | 22:16 |
| teleshoes | or patents | 22:16 |
| Estel_ | and it's not the same as free-as-in-beer too | 22:16 |
| ZogG_lap1op | ok, stop talking about beer | 22:17 |
| ZogG_lap1op | it makes me want one | 22:17 |
| ZogG_lap1op | jonni: around? | 22:17 |
| Estel_ | ok, free-as-in-free-love | 22:17 |
| teleshoes | uhhhh | 22:17 |
| teleshoes | lets go with a big naaahhh | 22:17 |
| teleshoes | costfree software doesnt give you herpes | 22:17 |
| teleshoes | unless its REALLY good software | 22:18 |
| japh | how can you be sure if it's not open | 22:18 |
| teleshoes | hahahahahha | 22:18 |
| Estel_ | You want to discuss what free beer can give You? ;) | 22:18 |
| ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: so what ya doing in Ramallah? | 22:18 |
| teleshoes | rocking? | 22:18 |
| teleshoes | perhaps? | 22:18 |
| Estel_ | soooo, other than meego wiki, isn't there any place where N9/50 wisdom is gathered? | 22:19 |
| japh | here | 22:19 |
| teleshoes | tmo? | 22:19 |
| Estel_ | s/wisdom/knowledge/ | 22:19 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: soooo, other than meego wiki, isn't there any place where N9/50 knowledge is gathered? | 22:19 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: google =))) | 22:19 |
| Estel_ | TMO = searching through scattered threads :( | 22:19 |
| teleshoes | infobot! | 22:19 |
| japh | learning = effort | 22:19 |
| japh | :p | 22:19 |
| Estel_ | :P | 22:19 |
| teleshoes | i didnt know about that | 22:20 |
| ZogG_lap1op | FMC, maemo wiki, mer wiki, meego wiki | 22:20 |
| ZogG_lap1op | and TMO | 22:20 |
| teleshoes | estel, i routinely scour n9 and harmattan threads on tmo | 22:20 |
| teleshoes | easiest way to find out such-and-such thing | 22:20 |
| teleshoes | like, has anyone compiled screen for n9? | 22:21 |
| teleshoes | {has anyone?} | 22:21 |
| Estel_ | maemo wiki got really low ammount of N950 info. Anyway, some basic things? i don't like to pster people on IRc about easily searchable things. | 22:21 |
| japh | yes | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_lap1op, family gatherings, they're a lot in Ramadan | 22:21 |
| ZogG_lap1op | teleshoes: how is tmux btw? | 22:21 |
| Estel_ | Open kernel is a basic, yep? | 22:21 |
| teleshoes | good, im just not familiar | 22:21 |
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| teleshoes | openkernel is really basic | 22:21 |
| ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: Ramadan is now? | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, 4th day today | 22:21 |
| Estel_ | I suspect there is no such thing as CSSU for harm? | 22:22 |
| teleshoes | no | 22:22 |
| teleshoes | there is not | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | not yet anyway | 22:22 |
| teleshoes | closest thing is mags inception repo | 22:22 |
| Estel_ | and what about this update thing? | 22:22 |
| japh | http://n950.japh.se | 22:22 |
| Estel_ | any point in updating on device? or it will reboot loop me anyway? | 22:22 |
| japh | please dont forget mplayer^ | 22:22 |
| ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: so you on post during day? | 22:22 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | just a bit illegal -> Linux_OCF_02-6_RM680-RM680-OEM1.bin :P | 22:22 |
| * japh hides | 22:22 | |
| teleshoes | heh | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_lap1op, I don't get the question :p | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | no really | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | you're harming all of us | 22:23 |
| Estel_ | I don't care about it being legal, but thanks for warning. BTW, what is illegal there? | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | what if apple downloads it and copies a binary to iOS 6 | 22:23 |
| teleshoes | yea, post the source | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | it's illegal to host Nokia's binaries | 22:23 |
| Estel_ | ah, sure. | 22:24 |
| teleshoes | violation of copyright law | 22:24 |
| ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: wait, isn't it the holiday you eat at nights? | 22:24 |
| Estel_ | lets assume we're closed meeting here :) | 22:24 |
| rzr | japh: do u have the sources of those debs too ? | 22:24 |
| teleshoes | holiday... | 22:24 |
| japh | rzr, not likely | 22:24 |
| rzr | ok | 22:24 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_lap1op, technically we don't eat in the day, but that works too :P | 22:25 |
| Estel_ | what doesn't work when using open kernel? I've heard some BS about passwords | 22:25 |
| japh | I lost some stuff previous weekend when reflashing | 22:25 |
| ZogG_lap1op | japh: meeplus? is that google plus client? the one not finished due google's api? | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | it's fasting | 22:25 |
| rzr | i am looking for 500th package to build for shared repo | 22:25 |
| japh | zogg_lap1op, yes iirc | 22:25 |
| teleshoes | fasting and no sex when the sun is up | 22:25 |
| Estel_ | ah, most important question - what is extras, extras-testing and extras-devel equivalent for harm? | 22:25 |
| Estel_ | what about N950 and N9 packages compatibility? | 22:25 |
| ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: that's what i said for the first time, post during day. when you are on post during the day =) | 22:25 |
| Estel_ | (rather about N9 to N950 compatibility) | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | what's post? :P | 22:25 |
| ZogG_lap1op | japh: is it you writting it? | 22:25 |
| teleshoes | estel_ | 22:25 |
| teleshoes | appsformeego | 22:25 |
| japh | estel_, I've found that most stuff works and in the very few cases where it doesn't all hell brakes loose | 22:26 |
| jonni | ZogG_lap1op: yep. | 22:26 |
| teleshoes | deb http://repo.apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps/ ./ | 22:26 |
| teleshoes | deb http://repo.apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps-testing/ ./ | 22:26 |
| japh | zogg_lap1op, no | 22:26 |
| japh | zogg_lap1op, it's on gh if you're interested | 22:26 |
| teleshoes | deb http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ./ | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | what's the future of appsformeego, mer and fremantle is going to OBS | 22:26 |
| ZogG_lap1op | japh: i know, there is official website of it as well =) | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | and harmattan? | 22:26 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: actually harmattan and mer are on OBS already and are example of how fremantle would work | 22:27 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: you the one who should know it | 22:27 |
| Estel_ | nope, since 2 weeks I'm the one who shouldn't :) | 22:27 |
| teleshoes | ahh | 22:28 |
| Estel_ | also, see logs of council's meeting not the latest, one before | 22:28 |
| teleshoes | i was worried you werent estel for a minute | 22:28 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: so all info from before two past weeks just gone? | 22:28 |
| Estel_ | ^^^ | 22:28 |
| japh | teleshoes, ok now when I glanced through my ~/dev I see you're the teleshoes with that very helpful n9-conf repo | 22:28 |
| ZogG_lap1op | AAAAAND it's GONE! (c) | 22:28 |
| japh | (thanks) | 22:28 |
| teleshoes | oh? | 22:28 |
| rzr | 500th https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 22:28 |
| teleshoes | am i? | 22:28 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: i think i was on the meeting one before | 22:28 |
| teleshoes | japh: you mean that loose bundle of debs in my github? | 22:28 |
| Estel_ | the one when someone was really worried about appsformeego? | 22:28 |
| Estel_ | I would search for quotations now, but it's not my itch now, anyway | 22:29 |
| japh | teleshoes, hmm no. /home/scp1/dev/n950-conf/teleshoes-n9-conf | 22:29 |
| teleshoes | i havent the slightest idea what youre talking about | 22:29 |
| japh | or maybe there's debs | 22:29 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: you are really funny person. it's okay. i dont need quotation, you asked anyway, not me | 22:29 |
| teleshoes | maybe its not me | 22:30 |
| teleshoes | i THOUGHT i was the only teleshoes | 22:30 |
| Estel_ | teleshoes, happen to me everytime, don't worry ;) | 22:30 |
| teleshoes | heh | 22:30 |
| ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: fasting is not eating, i may used wrong word post though | 22:30 |
| teleshoes | fasting is about abstaining through will | 22:31 |
| teleshoes | not about not eating | 22:31 |
| Estel_ | ZogG, I'm not sure if your confidence in Harmattan sitting on OBS indefinitely is justified, it's just that. anyway, it's not my business to straight it up, so take Your time | 22:31 |
| teleshoes | japh, im concerned about this | 22:32 |
| teleshoes | can you tell me what this is and where i could find it? | 22:32 |
| Estel_ | japh, so it seems I need two week t leats to jump into loop of things happening into N950 software world?:P | 22:32 |
| japh | of me stealing your codes? | 22:32 |
| japh | yes hold on | 22:32 |
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| teleshoes | {of course not of you stealing my codes, about the possible mistaken identity} | 22:32 |
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| japh | teleshoes, https://github.com/teleshoes/n9-config | 22:34 |
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| ZogG_laptop | japh: you got him, and he ran away | 22:34 |
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| teleshoes | {sorry i blinked out} | 22:34 |
| japh | o.o | 22:35 |
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| japh | teleshoes, https://github.com/teleshoes/n9-config | 22:35 |
| teleshoes | oh yea | 22:35 |
| teleshoes | thats me | 22:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: using pelephone umts for connection and got disconnected every 10 minutes | 22:35 |
| teleshoes | k cool | 22:35 |
| japh | ah klomp | 22:36 |
| japh | if it works you did what I started doing, but having to limit myself to 5.8.3 I decided to make it work for me and dont bother to release it for anyone else | 22:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | what is klomp? | 22:38 |
| japh | https://github.com/teleshoes/klomp | 22:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | i saw it | 22:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | bt what is it? | 22:38 |
| japh | clog from nl | 22:38 |
| japh | iirc | 22:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | klomp - CLI music player | 22:38 |
| teleshoes | heh | 22:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | okay | 22:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | i want xmms2 | 22:39 |
| teleshoes | klomp is a sort of eccentric command line music player of mine | 22:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes: why not to port mpd btw than? | 22:39 |
| teleshoes | it serves much the same function | 22:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes: yes but mp is mpd and mplayer is mplayer =) | 22:39 |
| japh | buuuut for me I have mpd running on the server and I used a daemonized mplayer to play the stream when I wasn't home | 22:40 |
| japh | (and control it, fifo slave) | 22:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | so you stream music from home when you are not home? | 22:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm jealous for you internet connection and speed | 22:41 |
| teleshoes | i also do this occasionally | 22:41 |
| japh | yes, well, I stream it 24/7 | 22:41 |
| teleshoes | it doesnt require that much bw | 22:41 |
| teleshoes | mpd is really cool, | 22:41 |
| teleshoes | but i discovered it after i wrote klomp | 22:41 |
| japh | mplayer http://japh.se:9998 | 22:41 |
| teleshoes | years ago | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, pelephone sucks | 22:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have 800 kbit upload =) and i have 24/7 torrents | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | Orange is way better | 22:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: yes, but it's not mine, borrowed from roomate | 22:42 |
| Estel_ | what's the status of 1.3 for N950? | 22:42 |
| teleshoes | i just set up transmissions web ui to start downloads on my 50mbps/20mbps server at home | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_, ready, unreleased | 22:42 |
| teleshoes | tpb on my n9, movies downloaded when i get home | 22:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i pay them 200 nis and if i go for other company i would pay for iphone i took as student | 22:42 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, no one tweaked it for N950? Or isn't it worth the effort at all? | 22:43 |
| Estel_ | (pr.13 isn't worth, not N950) | 22:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes: i use transmission as well, way before it was even 1.0 | 22:43 |
| japh | that torrent klient I found in the store was ... not so functional :p | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | Tweaked what? You haven't met Aegis I see | 22:43 |
| teleshoes | but do you use it on your n9?" | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | and SW Certs | 22:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes: it's not that comfy btw with web ui on n9, there is some part of code of client for n9 btw | 22:44 |
| teleshoes | there is? | 22:44 |
| teleshoes | i gotta check that out | 22:45 |
| teleshoes | i would love for the remote cli to work | 22:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes: not finished, khertan i think said he may check it one day and that's all | 22:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes: it's on github | 22:45 |
| teleshoes | thx | 22:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: some people unaware of harmattan existence... actually till now when 50+ devices were handled =) | 22:46 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, true, haven't meet it | 22:47 |
| Estel_ | just heard losely about harmattan having totally fckd up basic linux things like event.d and so goes on | 22:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes: i may find it for you if you want. btw i would follow you on github, maybe you'll have something interesting there for n9. why don't you clone stuff to harmattan organization btw? | 22:47 |
| Estel_ | ZogG, actually, 29 devices were handled, additional 11 are in CC :) | 22:48 |
| Estel_ | for example, i must still read about tradeoff between open kernel and inception | 22:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | Estel_: 25 CC + 25 Ovi store thing + few for qt5 | 22:48 |
| Estel_ | know the main idea, but as for practical side... | 22:48 |
| Estel_ | well, if you mean N9 included, it is 75 devices already | 22:49 |
| Estel_ | anyway, it's irrelevant | 22:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: btw Matan has his device on the way, he emailed me asking about customs. interesting if he would do with it anything and if he would, would it be public | 22:49 |
| Estel_ | I think everyone is entitled to meet harmattan for first time whenever he/she want, be it now, or in one year | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure how Matan's stance is towards the community | 22:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | Estel_: true but i see a way of people now after CC =) | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | he left without notice, and came back when CA was back | 22:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: he wasn't team player as i recall, he just did stuff and it was public. that's it | 22:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | or i may be wrong | 22:51 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i think not even him added hildon patches to CSSU | 22:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | his patches | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | how does one fake a SIGSEGV? | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | I merged his patches | 22:52 |
| japh | kill -11 ? | 22:52 |
| japh | but that's not really faking | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | that's a SIGSEGV? | 22:53 |
| japh | yes | 22:53 |
| japh | (in the kill()s I've seen) | 22:53 |
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| rzr | http://fastwonderblog.com/2012/07/23/leaving-intel-and-moving-on/ | 23:10 |
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