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Hurrianregarding Bluetooth 4.0 on the N9, isn't the WL1273/1271 on board already capable, and I'm pretty sure upstream has drivers and userspace for it01:13
HurrianI remember there was discussion about radio firmware?01:13
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tehdelyi'm more interested in the wifi radio.  i heard it would support infrastructure mode if the software support were there01:39
tehdelyis this true?  the restriction to ad-hoc + WPA in joikuspot is... wanting01:39
tehdelyi mean WEP01:39
tehdelyi mean relaly, who uses WEP :)01:39
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Hurrianyes, it's there on the N9, WL127x chip can do it, unlike the N900 with the WL1251 which (needed? does it exist?) a firmware update.01:45
HurrianIt should be there in 2.6.32, you probably just need to use "iwconfig wlan0 mode master"01:46
Hurrianplus some other script crap01:47
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louisdkI love when an ebay seller don't answer my questions. Don't the want to sell his products?04:34
louisdkI've been looking for this case for my N950: but it in Size M and the one for E7 is in Size XXXL so I a bit confused about which size is right. Is the N950 really than thinner than the E7?04:41
itsnotabigtrucki doubt it's thinner04:47
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louisdkitsnotabigtruck: Me 2. Therefore I don't understand why the sizes defer. Anyway an ebay seller that doesn't answer my messages isn't worth to buy from IMO.04:56
itsnotabigtruckif you find a good n950 case make sure to point it out04:58
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MohammadAGzeq, DocScrutinizer05 :P05:08
MohammadAGI get about 2.5MBps on the road, 4-5 when stationary05:08
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GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, what are you driving?05:32
ptlin the N9, is there a command like 'at' to schedule commands?05:32
itsnotabigtruckHurrian: not an official n9 package05:33
itsnotabigtruckand not aegis aware05:33
ptl[user@n9 developer]$ which cron05:33
ptl[user@n9 developer]$05:33
itsnotabigtruckthere's timed but scheduling something with it is pretty tricky05:34
itsnotabigtruckno easy command line program05:34
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ptlI think I will try sleep + tmux05:35
ptlhowever... tmux cannot create a socket?05:35
ptl[user@n9 developer]$ tmux05:35
ptlcan't create socket: No such file or directory05:35
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ptlok... did it05:41
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pado you know whether someone compiled regular "ping" for harmattan?11:37
pathe version that is on the phone is something strange11:37
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macmaNMohammadAG itsnotabigtruck is inception capable of helping kill the dreaded ui-disaster of a "Switch Internet connection on? Yes / No" dialog box?11:52
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chem|stmacmaN: you are speaking of a toggle button for the desktop?12:11
macmaNchem|st: well no, not necessarily. although yes i would definitely love to cut down on the number of gestures it takes to reach internet switch. but to narrow scope, at first i would simply NEVER like to see that ubermodal dialog again. its like a starved beggar, popping up whenever it deems necessary in the middle of other activities. wtf was nokia thinking12:12
jonniso why dont you just keep it on always, then there never is a dialog popping up?12:13
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HurrianmacmaN: I would love to see the internet connection dialog implemented in system-ui fremantle-style.12:24
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macmaNjonni: this thing simple doesn't have enough battery life.12:31
macmaNjonni: i would consider that a workaround :>12:32
macmaNthere's also the "allow background connections" switch, i could turn that off12:32
jonnimacmaN: you can always create dummy iap, have internet connection always enabled, and switch do dummy when you dont need data flowing.12:32
macmaNnow that is interesting12:32
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jonniI've created on my N9 dummy-iap, and usbnet-iap, those dont eat battery. But then again, I keep my phone in charger everynight, so I have never runned out of battery even when radios are online all the time.12:34
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macmaNso this may be a stupid question, but how do you create the dummy iaps12:36
macmaNits not in Settings is it12:36
macmaNoh wait, Create New Connection12:37
jonninot in settings.12:37
jonni    you can compile your own custom modules.12:37
jonnifrom fremantle repoes12:38
faeniljonni, I fixed my harmattan booting issue12:38
faenilit was a matter of internal charging state12:39
jonnifaenil: wierd12:39
faenilthe n950 thought it was in charging state, so when you switched the phone on it wouldn't detect any charger and it would switch off12:39
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jonnifaenil: ah, so it was trying to boot to act_dead-mode? and you fixed it by booting with force-power-key option?12:40
macmaNMy colleague found another solution - simply make an empty adhoc network, once enabled, it does what dummy/usb are supposed to do - shuts the icd up :-)12:41
jonnifaenil: or something else12:41
faeniljonni, I plugged the charger after choosing harmattan in moslo12:41
faenilit went to the charging screen12:41
jonnimacmaN: that doesnt help you, adhoc eats wifi battery :)12:41
faeniland then I switched it on keeping the charger plugged12:41
macmaNjonni: hrm. good point i guess12:41
jonnimacmaN: adhoc only enables the usbnetworking to work, but doesnt help on your problem.12:42
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macmaNlibicd-network-dummy isn't available from any repo?12:51
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macmaNok installing scratchbox then13:04
chem|stI was lookig for dbus msg for bgconnections or nw/connections but they have no api it seems13:05
chem|stbt has powersaving has and so on but not networking... lame13:06
chem|stalso fenix not having smtp by wifi setup... why do they always cut off the good things when evolving... usualy evolution is a good thing...13:07
Venemo_N9hey guys13:07
chem|stany of the meepass guys here?13:08
Venemo_N9what brand of in ear headphones do you recommend?13:08
chem|stew headset or speaker?13:09
chem|stI prefer the old-school ones and have some 12eur sennheiser, I do not like the sticky-gum-thingy ones which came with n90013:11
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Venemo_N9well I'm talking about that kind you don't like13:11
chem|stVenemo_N9: neither? neither would men in-ear-microphone...13:11
chem|stthe best I had so far, in terms of fit and sound were sony13:12
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Venemo_N9there are some Sony here13:14
DocScrutinizer05moo folks13:14
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: already talked with merlin1991 about S maint?13:15
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Venemo_N9moo DocScrutinizer13:16
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: wrong chan, but yes, I am setup for maint (reminds me of ssh-key setup for garage)13:17
macmaNive been sticking with the n9 stock earphones13:17
macmaNsound is all right, there's a remote control and a mic on the wire, and they look all right too13:18
chem|stVenemo_N9: I bought philips o'neill heavy duty on ear ones13:19
chem|stperfect sound, good fit and not the feeling of something in my ears...13:19
Venemo_N9macmaN, but they're not inear13:19
macmaNyeah true13:20
macmaNi would gladly experiment with inears, if they had the mic and the remote integrated13:20
macmaNcompatible remote13:20
macmaNi dont think there is such a model13:20
chem|stmacmaN: n900...13:20
DocScrutinizer05my best buy hp are sony, 20+ years old, and foldable clamp type13:21
chem|stmacmaN: any iphone in-ear13:21
DocScrutinizer05it's been the "second generation" walkman period headphone design13:22
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: I wear glasses and ear-covering-phones are a pain after a while13:22
chem|stah those13:22
DocScrutinizer05they are not ear covering13:22
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chem|stget it...13:23
macmaNwell i think we all know iphone white hp's are jus not the ones for n913:24
chem|stmacmaN: get a white n9 then^^13:24
chem|stmy sennheisers are white13:24
Lava_CroftAKG all the way!13:25
macmaNlol :>13:25
macmaN"get a white n9" is a rather expensive way to get headphones :>13:25
macmaNHarmattan SDK was successfully installed.13:26
chem|stI'd love to get a white64gb one instead of the black16gb13:27
DocScrutinizer05and (probably)
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chem|stl8er o/13:31
Venemo_N9chem|st, who wouldn't13:37
Venemo_N9I thought about it too13:37
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Venemo_N9decided that there are better ways to waste money13:38
DocScrutinizer05hmm, senheiser. AKG is more what I like13:39
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Venemo_N9I decided to give a chance to Sony this time13:40
DocScrutinizer05  ok ok I got those like 30+ years ago13:42
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MohammadAGI love my AKGs13:45
MohammadAGK518LE and Q35013:46
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MohammadAGGeneralAntilles: VW Golf '0013:48
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niwakameanyone having a best practice way on encapsulating QNetworkManager calls?13:56
niwakameI have something like this:13:56
niwakameQML[Push Button] ---(Call Method "getABC()")---> WrapperClass doing some preparing ---(getRESTCall(..)----> QNetworkManager stuff13:58
niwakameNow as this is asynchronous, I don't have problems using a Callback in the class that's using the QNetworkManager, but in the WrapperClass13:59
niwakameI could emit a signal there, but then I don't know what happens if there are multiple Network calls at once14:00
DocScrutinizer05  and :-(( for the changes during production run. Otherwise I'd get them again14:01
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MohammadAGVenemo_N9: Sony and similar don't reproduce sounds as good as old industry headphones14:03
MohammadAGAKGs are awesome14:03
MohammadAGMonster's Beats by dr. dre aren't14:04
MohammadAGThey're just overbassed overhyped headphones for a sad new generation14:04
Venemo_N9MohammadAG, if it's not good I'll just get something else next time14:05
DocScrutinizer05the mp3 generation14:05
niwakameMohammadAG: I rechoiced on using studio monitor headphones some time ago for that reason14:05
DocScrutinizer05niwakame: mind to share type and brand?14:06
pawky|2Does anybody know how to tether using bluetooth and the N9?14:06
niwakameHave to look it up, though they we're really cheap but outstanding in sound quality for that price14:06
Venemo_N9MohammadAG, there was some AKD too but it cost twice as much14:06
niwakameYou can't read German, can you? xD14:07
niwakamethese are open, there is a closed variant with more noise protection afaik14:08
pawky|2anyone knowing anything about tethering?14:08
Venemo_N9pawky|2, what's wrong with it?14:09
MohammadAGVenemo_N9: Sure, but here's a tip14:10
pawky|2Venemo_N9: I am not sure... I am trying to tether with bluetooth and/or USB and an Asus Transformer without luck14:10
Venemo_N9how do i type a dash with the Swype keyboard14:10
pawky|2I am not sure where things are going wrong..14:10
niwakameDocScrutinizer05: they should be around 29 euros, which isn't really much and were high rated everywhere...14:10
pawky|2press extra characters?14:10
MohammadAGI Spent about 100$ on lots of headphones that ended up breaking14:10
Venemo_N9pawky|2, are you talking about tethering the n9?14:10
qwazixNew rawcam out! Anybody who would like to test it?14:11
MohammadAGSo spend a hefty amount once and get good headphones that would last a long time14:11
niwakameDocScrutinizer05: If I pair them with my MAudio card and listen to some classical music it's world apart from regular headphones14:11
pawky|2Venemo_N9:  Use the N9 as a modem... for the Asus that doesn't have 3t14:11
Venemo_N9pawky|2, you should disable the cellular connection on the N914:11
pawky|2Venemo_N9: duh?.... am i not disabling the 3G then?14:12
Venemo_N9pawky|2, no you are telling you're n9 not to take back it's modem14:12
DocScrutinizer05niwakame: price is not always a criterion. I used a cheapish AKG12 pickup in my Thorens turntable with SME lever (the lever cost ~300EUR on its own, the turntable 5 times as much)14:12
DocScrutinizer05the pickup was like 25EUR14:12
Venemo_N9MohammadAG, yeah I realized that14:13
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MohammadAGI wonder how I could wire the cig lighter 12V output to my car switch14:13
Venemo_N9guys... Swype is annoying14:13
DocScrutinizer05all disclaimer IIRC, as that's been in the 80s14:13
MohammadAGI fear the router will drain my car battery while it's off14:14
DocScrutinizer05when we user Deutschmarks here ;-D14:14
Venemo_N9does it get better?14:14
pawky|2Venemo_N9: sorry... maybe I am a bit to blurry in my asking... I want to use the N9 as a modem for the Asus. But using the Wifi tethering possibility in the N9 is draining the battery to fast, thus I want to use bluetooth or USB14:14
qwazixVenemo_N9, swype is mostly annoying because even if you don't use it it makes your life harder14:14
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MohammadAGVenemo_N9: To me swype is a gimmick14:14
pawky|2qwazix: I use it every day works fine...14:14
rash_m2kNo the cig lighter should power off when not in use14:14
rash_m2kI meant when the ignition is off14:14
pawky|2MohammadAG: To me swype is a better option to T914:14
MohammadAGrash_m2k: It doesn't in my golf14:15
qwazixIt was much much easier to switch layouts in pr1.0 but they changed that behavior because they included swype14:15
Venemo_N9pawky|2, step 1. disable the cellular data on the N914:15
MohammadAGTo T9, yes, to a qwerty, no14:15
Venemo_N9pawky|2, step2 connect it via usb14:15
pawky|2MohammadAG: its just about getting used to it, and understand its limits..14:15
DocScrutinizer05swype and T9 and shite are an indication that nothing beats a decent hw kbd ;-D14:15
rash_m2kput a switch into it and connect it to the ignition?14:15
Venemo_N9pawky|2, then you can tether it14:15
pawky|2Venemo_N9: ahh.. i think i get it...  will try..14:15
MohammadAGrash_m2k: Yeah, how :p14:16
MohammadAGPlus I'm using a 12V output in the trunk14:16
niwakameDocScrutinizer05: hehe, so just check them out. It's so cheap you can throw them away or give away as present if they don't suit your taste. But they are the best I've had up until now.14:16
DocScrutinizer05niwakame: thanks for the pointer14:17
rash_m2kI bet there will be some wires on the back of the radio that tell you when the ignition is off14:17
Venemo_N9pawky|2, what I'm saying is if you don't do step1, the N9 will start using its data while you are tethering it, thus disabling the tethered connection14:17
Venemo_N9the cellular data can not be used by the phone and the other device simzl14:18
pawky|2Venemo_N9: Is the option called "Cellular data"?14:18
pawky|2or are we talking "allow background connections"?14:18
Venemo_N9dunno offhand14:18
qwazixVenemo_N9, really? I remember using both on the N900 with bt dun14:18
pawky|2ahh.. probably "internet connection"..14:18
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Venemo_N9qwazix, it never worked on n9(50)14:19
qwazixhow lame...14:19
niwakameDocScrutinizer05: welcome!14:19
macmaNjonni: i think i just managed to build icd-network-dummy and dpkg -i it14:21
macmaNawesomez, great success14:21
macmaNjonni: did you also do gconftool-2 -s -t boolean /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DUMMY/autoconnect true14:21
qwazixis there a qt api to control the notification led of the N9?14:22
Venemo_N9my problem with Swype is that there is no option to disable its second guessing me14:23
Venemo_N9qwazix, probably there is some API14:24
Venemo_N9not necessarily qt14:24
pawky|2Venemo_N9: seems the bluetooth connection is only OPP... shouldn't it also be DUN?14:24
qwazixcan't find anything on google14:24
Venemo_N9pawky|2, I'm not sure14:24
qwazixI have some code for the N900 which uses /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/engine3_leds14:25
macmaNBT DUN works fine for me14:25
macmaNthere's no PAN tho :/14:25
qwazixMohammadAG, is the N9 led controlled by /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/engine3_leds like the N900?14:25
MohammadAGIt's exactly the same with different sysfs naming14:26
qwazixremember what is the new name?14:26
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djszapi_darn... edmondo does not provide a harmattan version14:28
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niwakamehuh that looks inviting:
macmaNjonni: hmmm, Dummy isn't showing up in the connection list. it is only in the Edit Networks list but doesn't show the edit screen.14:31
djszapi_so any edmondo like stuff for n9?14:32
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DocScrutinizer05correction: I guess it's been an audio technica AT-12A(?) pickup14:36
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DocScrutinizer05obviously a green colored sibling of AT120E/T14:42
niwakameI always miss the static from turntables. Should get one myself.14:43
niwakameAnd it's sad youth nowadays can't hear the difference of a crappy 320p youtube video and a FLAC file :<14:47
ZogG_laptopniwakame: how is video resolution related to audio format =P14:49
niwakameZogG_laptop: for youtube that correlates
ZogG_laptopniwakame: ha, that's why noise music is popular14:51
ZogG_laptopthey used to listen to music from youtube =)14:51
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niwakameIt's a shame for a serious artist14:52
niwakameDon't let compression take away one of the worlds most beautiful thing :)14:52
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rzrqwazix, hi14:53
MohammadAGniwakame: I'm 18 and I know the difference :P14:53
qwazixrzr, hi14:53
MohammadAGSadly my friends don't and they simply download music using a YouTube to mp3 converter14:53
niwakameMohammadAG: speaking about the broad public14:53
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: you are exception14:53
rzrqwazix, i tested the 1st version of rawcam yesterday14:54
MohammadAGBest part is they download the 240p one for smaller size14:54
rzri didnt work on n950 using sudo14:54
niwakameThere was a Game Music concert in Cologne14:54
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: niwakame i like those who download youtube music and convert it to flac =)14:54
niwakamesomething like the "Play!" events in the US14:54
qwazixrzr, why would it need sudo?14:54
niwakameand you could see the faces of the younger audience it was just like "WTF this is what an orchestra sounds for realZ?"14:55
rzrqwazix, i have inception just openkernel14:55
rzri havent inception14:55
MohammadAGZogG_laptop: LOL14:55
qwazixIt works on my N9 without inception nor openkernel,14:55
MohammadAGI use ALAC/FLAC when possible14:56
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: it's actually not funny. but people actually convert videos and music from low quality to high quality. they don;t get it can't work like that14:56
qwazixon the N950 I have openkernel but I don't think it has anything to do.14:56
MohammadAGapple devices don't play FLAC :/14:56
qwazixDid you download the deb or did you build it yourself?14:56
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niwakamewell everything up from 192kbps mp3 is also fine14:56
ZogG_laptoprzr: try this aegisctl -s and than run it14:56
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niwakamethen it depends on your audio equip like headphones14:57
MohammadAGniwakame: Yeah but you don't convert a 240p video to 320kbps mp314:57
niwakamecertainly not14:57
ZogG_laptoppeople do that14:57
niwakamebut these are the kind of people that make their facebook profile public :)14:57
ZogG_laptopniwakame: my profile is half public =)14:59
niwakameha reminds me of listening to Alan Parsons Project again :>14:59
MohammadAGI really wish I had a 64GB iPhone14:59
MohammadAGI could use my N9 but iTunes library is well organized and I can't get the same experience on the N915:00
niwakameI'm into Spotify atm....I know not everyone likes it...15:00
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: i think there are apps to orginize and sync with mass storage =)15:01
ZogG_laptopi can't use spotify in my country15:01
ZogG_laptops MohammadAG can't15:01
ZogG_laptopproxy is not an answer15:01
niwakameSounds like a demonstration sign sentence15:01
niwakame"Proxy is not an answer!"15:02
niwakameWas so happy it started in Germany this year15:02
niwakameand they do have many alternative and niche music15:03
niwakameeven some Video Game Music artists I like :>15:03
DocScrutinizer05dang! the SME tone arm SME M2 12R  costs ~2000EUR now :-o15:04
qwazixrzr, what error do you get?15:04
niwakameDocScrutinizer05: then......just buy like...5 of them? :P15:04
ZogG_laptopniwakame: we hardly have google maps today =)15:05
niwakameZogG_laptop: really?15:05
DocScrutinizer05niwakame: this think cost ~600 Deutschmark when I placed it on my Thorens MK-II in 198515:05
niwakameThen it's not much more expensive :)15:06
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niwakameInflation and price rigging have done well since15:09
ZogG_laptophmm 3.5 is not is still not in portage \15:11
niwakameDubstep / DnB Drops are everywhere nowadays, huh?15:14
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m_"software problem dnsmasq too many reboots" what i must do15:29
m_my n9 cannot booy15:30
m_my n9 cannot boot i am upset any solution?15:31
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, malf is
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dm8tbrm_: that should be easy to fix15:41
dm8tbrm_: there is a guide on the meego wiki15:42
dm8tbrif you have >=pr1.2 your device will enter open mode though15:42
heymaster-laptop :/15:44
heymaster-laptopsorry for spamming :/15:44
heymaster-laptopjust simple problem to add new element to ListView . and it not works .. so sad :/15:46
heymaster-laptopMaybe there are any examples how to make it correctly ?15:47
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faenilguys, is there a safe way to get pr1.3 on n950?15:47
ZogG_laptopfaenil: to go to Nokia, to get inside and leak the inside pr1.3 for n95015:48
faenilZogG_laptop, any doable alternative?15:48
ZogG_laptopfaenil: there was solution to connect n9 repo, but you can't update everything as there is part that can brick device. jonni knows better15:49
faenilI see...15:49
m_dm8tbr:can you give me document a dont have many time please15:49
dm8tbrm_: now I have to google it for you...15:52
infobotit has been said that flashing is
ZogG_laptopm_ ^15:52
dm8tbrN9 malf meego wiki15:52
dm8tbrZogG_laptop: slightly different15:53
ZogG_laptopdm8tbr: than we should add it to ~malf15:53
ZogG_laptop~malf-fix is
infobotokay, ZogG_laptop15:53
infobotmalf-fix is, like,
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, malf-fix is
niwa|gamingok that's random15:54
dm8tbrinfobot: forget malf-fix15:55
infoboti forgot malf-fix, dm8tbr15:55
dm8tbrinfobot: malf-fix is
infobotokay, dm8tbr15:55
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DocScrutinizer05~literal flashing16:00
infobot"#harmattan flashing" is ""16:00
infobotpi is, like, 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196442881097566593344612847564823378678316527120190914564856692346034861045432664821339360726024914127372458700660631558817488152092096282925409116:06
infobotmethinks tau is the difference between a velocity and c or the freaks' name for phi or a Greek letter16:07
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys malf16:08
infobotFactoid search of 'malf' by key (7): malf ;; malf-fix #DEL# ;; malf-fix ;; malformed priority line ;; major malfunction ;; ibot's major malfunction ;; malform.16:08
DocScrutinizer05~literal malf16:08
infobot"malf" is ""16:08
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niwa|gamingseems like the sad robot doesn't know about it :(16:10
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DocScrutinizer05~listkeys happy16:11
infobotFactoid search of 'happy' by key (13 of 23): happy ;; happy new millenium *really* ;; happyclownpbx #DEL# ;; happy fun ball ;; happy new millenium really ;; [happyclownpbx] ;; happyclownphone #DEL# ;; happy debian user ;; happy hacker ;; emulate sarf|happy ;; happy new year ;; happydance ;; are you happy with the layout as it.16:11
DocScrutinizer05~forget are you happy with the layout as it16:12
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infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot are you happy with the layout as it16:12
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys happy16:12
infobotFactoid search of 'happy' by key (13 of 23): happy birthday debian! ;; happyclownpbx ;; happy debian user ;; happy ny #DEL# ;; happy new millenium *really* ;; happybirthday ;; happydance ;; happyclownpbx #DEL# ;; are you happy with the layout as it #DEL# ;; happyclownphone ;; happy new year ;; happy hacker ;; cmd: happy birthday (.*?).16:12
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rzrdo you use dropbox ?16:48
rzrdo you use dropbox ? please invite me rzr.dropbox@dfgh.net16:48
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infobotfrom memory, tau is the difference between a velocity and c or the freaks' name for phi or a Greek letter17:00
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MohammadAGany Qt plugin users?17:38
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kozzihow to installed umplayer anhow to remove package installed with dpkg -i17:39
MohammadAGdpkg -r17:39
kozziit complains that the package isnot installed17:39
kozzieventhough I can see it with dpkg -l17:39
kozzidpg: warning: ignoring request to remove umplayer-translation which isn't installed.17:41
MohammadAGI'm guessing it's not the full name cause it doesn't fit in terminal17:42
MohammadAGuse a smaller font/ssh17:42
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kozziMohammadAG: according to dpkg -l , it is just umplayer and umplayer-translation17:44
MohammadAGagain, it doesn't fit in terminal's width17:45
MohammadAGtry dpkg -r umplayer-translation*17:45
MohammadAGbut I can't imagine how umplayer would work then17:45
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kozzistill same error with umplayer-translation*17:46
kozziI want to remove umplayer and translation file, removing umplayer first will complain about dependancy of translation package17:47
MohammadAGapt-get remove umplayer17:48
whatsakozzi, to see whole name add "|more"17:48
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kozziwell should have tried apt-get first, it works now17:50
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kozziMohammadAG: thanks17:52
MohammadAGyou're welcome17:52
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merlin1991btw if you really really want it gone, apt-get purge $package :D17:52
MohammadAGQt's pissing me off really17:53
MohammadAG#qt is as dead as Elop's brain17:53
MohammadAGit's quite the most useless channel ever17:54
kozzihehe its sunday17:56
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MohammadAGit's quite the most useless channel ever18:01
MohammadAGup + enter in wrong window18:01
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MohammadAGOrientation lock in status menu :P18:44
azeembtw, are those switches below the toggle buttons, or just on/off indicators?18:50
rash_m2klook like roggle only18:51
rash_m2klook like toggle only18:51
virtualdMohammadAG: i've been missing that <318:55
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: awesome, is it system wide doesn't matter what app suppose to support?19:41
ZogG_laptopwhen i in bed it triggers landscape portatrait all the time i open new windows19:41
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: don't jpeg screenshots! :p19:42
itsnotabigtruckotherwise, nice19:42
qwazixrzr, ping19:42
itsnotabigtruckit's a shame that replacing system packages is such an issue due to the metapackage setup on harmattan19:42
itsnotabigtrucka LOT of people fucked up their phones by swapping out system-ui and then upgrading harmattan19:43
itsnotabigtrucka good chunk of that is my fault due to the way i did inception's aegis source19:43
jonniwell people wouldnt have problems, if inception would use as source19:43
itsnotabigtruckthough it's a little bit late to change the way that works now19:43
jonniI'm always using as source, just to avoid problems19:44
itsnotabigtruckwell the original idea was to keep inception stuff nice and separate instead of commingling everything19:45
itsnotabigtrucksince the user's inception packages are a conceptually different 'source'19:45
itsnotabigtruckbut yeah, it causes trouble19:45
rzrqwazix, here i am like an hurricane19:46
itsnotabigtruckbut then switching it to would require ugly backward compatibility hacks for when the user upgrades19:46
qwazixrzr, hehe, I'm a bit stuck with git, (been using subversion @work and this distributed thing seems a bit complicated)19:47
rzrqwazix, i can help you out19:47
qwazixhow do I do a merge? first checkout then merge?19:47
rzrgit pull19:47
rzrgit rebase19:47
qwazixwon't checking out mess my working copy19:47
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infobotsomebody said update was
qwazixgit pull http://github/url/here?19:48
rzrgit pull gh/harmattan/rawcam ...19:48
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itsnotabigtruckbtw is it possible, in an ash script, to establish a pipe, and write to the pipe, in two different steps19:53
itsnotabigtruckwhat i mean is, e.g. you want to pipe something into either command a or command b19:53
rzri didnt know that was even possible using any shell19:53
itsnotabigtruckand you don't want to repeat 'something'19:54
qwazixthanks, will try it now19:54
itsnotabigtruckso you want to invoke either command a or command b, and hold on to its standard input19:54
itsnotabigtruckthen attach something to that standard input in a second step19:54
rzritsnotabigtruck, can you write what u want in other lang ?19:54
itsnotabigtruckyeah but it's already an ash script19:54
itsnotabigtruckand the only scripting language choices on n9 are ash and perl19:54
itsnotabigtruckout of the box, that is19:54
jonniwith perl you can most likely do it.19:55
itsnotabigtruckpython doesn't count because it's not preinstalled19:55
itsnotabigtruckthat kind of stuff can get pretty ugly with perl19:55
itsnotabigtruckinvoking and piping processes, that is19:55
itsnotabigtruckwhereas shells are made for that19:55
rzrbut probally less than in ash :)19:55
jonniwell everything in perl is ugly, but usually it works :)19:55
djszapi_itsnotabigtruck: or python19:55
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi_: see above19:55
qwazixrzr, it complains that I should choose a branch in the pull step, which one should I pick?19:55
djszapi_it does count19:56
djszapi_like "KDE does not count since it is not preinstalled".19:56
jonnipiping in perl is actually pretty handy19:56
djszapi_jonni: not everything works in perl, ofc19:56
rzrqwazix, git branch -a19:56
djszapi_see the dpkg wrapper :D :D19:56
jonnidjszapi_: well it works, but you cannot make it secure :)19:57
djszapi_qwazix: you are not in a branch?19:57
djszapi_jonni: we did make it secure19:57
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djszapi_by stuffing into binary with the tricky perl thingy19:57
rzrqwazix, git branch -a # it will tell you remote/team # thats the one to use19:57
djszapi_but the thing is that, a bunch of things just does not work.19:57
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jonnidjszapi_: but forgot that you can add debugger env variable even on binary thingy to run any custom command :)19:58
qwazixdjszapi_, complete git noob here, I am in master in my fork and I am trying to merge rzr's changes (who has many branches)19:58
djszapi_jonni: the binary creation was not ofc made against that19:59
qwazixrzr, git branch -a gives me my master, team master and several other (debian, upstream, pristine, user-rzr)19:59
djszapi_it is like expecting orange being apple. :)19:59
rzrgit can be a bit odd , but it's a today standard ...19:59
rzrqwazix, team/master is the one you want to merge19:59
djszapi_rzr: it is not everywhere19:59
djszapi_automotive prefers svn, still19:59
djszapi_and most likely for many years further on.19:59
djszapi_qwazix: use "git checkout -t remote/branch/source"20:00
qwazixI am thinking to switch to git @work too because svn messes up itself too frequently, and with web development where you add/remove dirs all the time it's a PITA, so I should learn git soon. This is a good chance for me20:01
jonniits pretty nice to see community improving the drive application :)20:01
djszapi_qwazix: svn is okay.20:02
djszapi_for dir add and removal20:02
djszapi_its main advantage is not lying in helping with that20:02
qwazixdjszapi_, only if you use it's own functions to do it. Once you just delete a folder, or copy another one with a .svn folder in it here comes hell20:03
qwazixalso you can't push to your webserver, you have to log in and update20:03
djszapi_well, we have been doing that for ages in KDE.20:03
rzrhg is easier to git i fell20:03
djszapi_no real problems with that with such a large project as KDE20:03
qwazixgit seems better for web to me but I'm not sure until I try20:03
qwazixdjszapi_, I believe that svn is better suited for large projects20:04
djszapi_qwazix: no, the factor is not that20:04
qwazixThe only reason I went there in the beginning is that it was the only versioning system that allowed many projects in one repo20:04
djszapi_that can be a pain, too20:05
qwazixas we didn't have a dedicated server, and I didn't want to set up a new repo for every little project20:05
djszapi_for instance the last TortoiseSVN messed up the svn:external thingy totally.20:05
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qwazixnow this is moot because we use a web based system to create new repos anyway. I'm using externals pretty heavily, what happened to them?20:06
qwazixI was thinking to try installing gitorious on my server...20:06
rzrdjszapi_> for instance the last TortoiseSVN messed up the svn:external thingy totally.20:06
rzrI hate this crap20:06
djszapi_qwazix: I would recommend not using the crappy gitorious20:07
djszapi_that has been a nightmare for ages for most of the projects20:07
djszapi_just use gitolite.20:07
rzrdjszapi_, are u using tortoise w/ wine ? :)20:07
djszapi_rzr: no20:07
djszapi_why would I?20:07
rzrdjszapi_, whats wrong w/ gitorious ?20:07
djszapi_err... it is a full crap ? :D20:07
rzrdjszapi_, i thought that one was windows only20:07
djszapi_rzr: so what?20:08
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djszapi_many people use Windows even if it is surprising ...20:08
rzrso wine ..20:08
qwazixRabbitSVN is a nice tortoise alternative20:09
djszapi_rzr: what wine ? You are confused. :)20:09
itsnotabigtruckgit really sucks on windows, period20:09
qwazixbut it used to slow down nautilus too much20:09
djszapi_itsnotabigtruck: no, it does not20:09
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itsnotabigtruckbecause it's always been a *nix-only app from the start20:09
itsnotabigtruckeven though there's (hackish) ports20:10
djszapi_been working perfectly fine in very huge projects20:10
djszapi_like Qt, KDE and the like.20:10
itsnotabigtruckhg is 100% cross platform thanks to python20:10
itsnotabigtruckbut git gets all the hype20:10
djszapi_itsnotabigtruck: huh?20:10
rzritsnotabigtruck, have u tested github client ? i didnt but it said to kick ass20:10
djszapi_itsnotabigtruck: git is written in POSIX C.20:10
qwazixI can't checkout harmattan/rawcam/master. it says "fatal: A branch named 'master' already exists.20:10
itsnotabigtruckposix c = not windows compatible20:10
djszapi_please do not speak about something you have no idea about.20:10
itsnotabigtruckposix isn't the same thing as cross platform20:10
djszapi_ah yeah, ofc, posix C has never been able to compile on Windows...20:11
rzrqwazix, im me or join #n95020:11
djszapi_how much the history lies...20:11
itsnotabigtruckand djszapi_: the same could be said of you20:11
itsnotabigtrucki'd appreciate it if you'd stop trying to constantly start shit20:11
djszapi_qwazix: you missed the -t option?20:11
qwazixdjszapi_, no20:12
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djszapi_qwazix: should work20:13
djszapi_paste the output20:13
djszapi_from prompt to prompt ofc20:13
djszapi_Qt used svn for the Windows bits since git sucks :D20:13
djszapi_made my day! :)20:13
itsnotabigtruckthat github windows app definitely looks pretty snazzy20:16
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qwazixdjszapi_, thanks, rzr helped me in pm and I got past this20:17
rzrdjszapi_, there is a secret channel for express request not related to ocaml :)20:18
djszapi_rzr: well, you are welcome to join #please-package-ocaml-for-harmattan-as-soon-as-possible-thanks-smiley :o)20:18
rzrdjszapi_, here it goes
djszapi_rzr: ok, you can continue with the dependency I originally needed.20:25
rzrqwazix, do u know about hdr photography ?20:25
rzrdjszapi_, thank you for granting me this precious right ...20:26
djszapi_rzr: welcome :)20:26
rzrdjszapi_, #pleaseReviewRedakIntoAFM !20:27
qwazixrzr, not much, just that it combines the color range from 2 or more images to procuce an image not normally possible with one capture20:27
djszapi_I dislike AFM20:27
rzrdjszapi_, I disklike working for free on #ocaml :)20:27
rzr#enough #with #this20:27
vladestwhere is 1.3 for n950?20:29
rzrin nokiahq20:29
rzrwe can give u a badge20:29
rzrand a gun20:29
vladestand a ticket and new identity20:31
itsnotabigtruckbut not a license to kill20:32
rzrdjszapi_, remind me you the lib you want ?20:32
djszapi_rzr: no clue :)20:32
rzrthe one in the 1st place not ocaml20:33
rzrdjszapi_, well in that case the job is done :)20:33
rzrone of20:33
djszapi_rzr: libindi20:33
djszapi_see the deps here.20:33
djszapi_you recall that I was mentioning kstars20:34
qwazixI think I've done it, my copy still works, I hope yours builds20:36
djszapi_rzr: does not look successful20:38
rzrdjszapi_, i am building ocaml again20:40
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qwazixrzr, see
qwazixwhat happened, the guy installed the deb and also has the repo so it tried to update?20:41
qwazixand another question, if I push now any changes they will be pushed to harmattan/rawcam right? I'll have to rebase again to push to qwazix/rawcam?20:43
djszapi_qwazix: depends on where you push it to20:43
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qwazixarcean_, I've got exciting new features into rawcam. And I'm learning to use github :)20:44
djszapi_rebase is only needed if there is a commit remotely20:44
djszapi_that you do not have in place before pushing20:44
qwazixdjszapi_, aha, that seems reasonable (and useful)20:44
djszapi_well you can still use git pull without --rebase in that case20:45
djszapi_but then there will be a merge commit, which makes not much sense20:45
itsnotabigtruckdoes anyone here still have pr1.1 installed20:49
macmaNjonni: you around still? perhaps you can point out to me what step i missed gett Dummy IAP to show up in selectable connection list20:57
qwazixbye folks, movie time21:01
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itsnotabigtrucki guess silence means a no?21:02
itsnotabigtruckwhat about pr1.221:02
itsnotabigtruckmacmaN ^21:02
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macmaNwdym? on n9?21:03
itsnotabigtruckmacmaN: the firmware version21:04
itsnotabigtruckon either n9 or n95021:04
macmaNyes i still have 1.2 on n95021:04
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itsnotabigtruckmacmaN: have some time to test an updated inception21:05
djszapi_edmondo ... like application for N9, guys?21:05
macmaNitsnotabigtruck: depends on how lengthy the process is. my weekend time is pretty much up :/21:06
macmaNi havent even tried the original inception yet for lack of time :/21:06
* macmaN looks at the ground embarrassed21:07
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itsnotabigtruckanyone else have a phone running pr1.1 or pr1.221:14
phakoI've 1.2 lying around21:15
itsnotabigtruckphako: have some time to test this? i'll pm you the url21:15
phakosorry, didn't read. not now, roughly in 1h21:16
itsnotabigtruckvladest: i assume you're still running pr1.2?21:19
itsnotabigtrucki'd have expected more people would be around at this hour :|21:19
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rzrdjszapi_, it looks ocaml is doing fine21:36
djszapi_rzr: and libindi?21:36
rzrdont skip the step21:36
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louisdkI've PR1.2beta2 on my N950, why?21:43
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louisdkI have at strange issue with mail on N950 (PR1.2beta2). I've added my email account under accounts but when I open the mail app it still shows a grey screen with the text Setuo your email account. Any idea on why it doesn't show my mail account? It worked on my N9 PR1.2 and PR1.3.21:47
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MohammadAG<azeem> btw, are those switches below the toggle buttons, or just on/off indicators?21:49
MohammadAGyour question confused me :p21:50
MohammadAGthey're on/off indicators for the toggles21:50
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djszapi_rzr: you forgot the next number ? :p21:54
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djszapi_I will survive :d21:54
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rzrdjszapi_, too late21:56
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rzrdpkg-deb: building package `ocaml-nox' in `../ocaml-nox_3.12.1-2_armel.deb'.21:57
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vladestitsnotabigtruck: yes21:58
djszapi_rzr: great21:58
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rzrdpkg-deb: building package `ocaml' in `../ocaml_3.12.1-2_armel.deb'.21:59
itsnotabigtruckvladest louisdk: for some testing of a new backward compatible version of inception22:00
rzrdjszapi_, 1.00722:00
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rzrdjszapi_, 0 ! here it is
rzrstep 3 is building  hevea22:01
rzrbtw are kdelibs ports stable on obs ?22:03
rzrno obs i mean does they rebuild fine ?22:04
djszapi_most likely not :D22:06
itsnotabigtruck < if anyone interested would give this a try before i release it, thanks22:07
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Venemois there a color picker component on Harmattan?22:14
djszapi_sup Venemo22:16
Venemohey djszapi_ :)22:17
Venemodjszapi_, I'm fine, thanks22:17
Venemodjszapi_, how are you?22:17
djszapi_it is ok :)22:17
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djszapi_maintaining my new bike :p22:18
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Venemodjszapi_, you have a new bike?22:19
djszapi_Venemo: yeah, I should become more fit and healthy than I am, so I decided to take up a sport.22:19
azeemMohammadAG: I wonder why you don't use colored-icon vs. greyed-out-icon as indicator?22:20
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Venemodjszapi_, that's a very nice thing :)22:20
azeemor a red cross overlay for off22:20
MohammadAGCause I'm no icon designer22:21
MohammadAGCross overlay sounds interesting22:21
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Venemothp, ping22:25
Venemothp, how do you do the "get more apps" thing in Billboard?22:25
Venemoit somehow opens the nokia store showing the apps from thp22:27
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thpVenemo: simply open the web browser with the ovi store link - it will then open the store app22:38
thpVenemo: Qt.openUrlExternally('')22:38
Venemothp, hah, thank you :)22:40
djszapi_beford: o/22:41
befordhola djszapi_ !22:41
Venemothp, btw, could you add an option to billboard to only show the next upcoming calendar entry (only one, not more)?22:41
djszapi_beford: do not suppose you have any boards, like panda, beagle and so forth that could be connected to Mac?22:42
pasorry for bothering again, anyone aware of ping (the real one) packaged for harmattan?22:42
azeemping (the real one) is what exactly?22:42
pathe tool for sending ICMP pings22:43
azeemthere's ping on the N922:43
pabut it's not the same as you have on a debian or ubuntu or any other linux distribution22:43
azeemthat doesn't mean the other would be the real one22:44
djszapi_pa: what does this return:22:44
djszapi_dpkg -S `which ping`22:44
djszapi_azeem: it does not really matter which is the real. He would like to have the same as on his host.22:45
padjszapi_, busybox-symlinks-iputils-ping: /bin/ping22:45
azeemI understand now22:45
beforddjszapi_: nop, should get one, buy me one =)22:45
djszapi_pa: right, as I thought22:45
azeempa: what is missing in busybox' ping?22:45
djszapi_it is provided by busybox, meanwhile the one on desktop by iputils22:45
pai see22:45
djszapi_azeem: busybox truncates a lot of things22:46
azeemthere's also inetutils-ping, btw22:46
paazeem, ,for example i cannot specify the payload22:46
paah great! exactly what i asked for :)22:47
pathank you so much!22:47
thpVenemo: i'll think about it :)22:51
Venemothp, the regular setting shows more and it really spams the standby screen sometimes22:53
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Venemothp, also, does it really consume more battery when I put a battery percentage in there? or I'm just imagining it?22:57
ptlppl, where do you check power consumption when idle?23:01
ptlDo I have to install that battery app or is it from stock?23:01
ZogG_laptopVenemo: just make it open url to it23:03
ZogG_laptopit would open ovi store as any link triggers client23:04
ZogG_laptophe already answered, i was scrolled up23:04
Venemoptl, that battery app actually drains your battery fast. there was a blog post about why, but basically because it updated its icon, and that invoked tracker to index it every time.23:04
VenemoZogG_laptop, np :)23:04
VenemoZogG_laptop, how're you?23:04
djszapi_Venemo: lol23:05
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ZogG_laptopVenemo: same shit different day23:06
VenemoZogG_laptop, I see23:06
ZogG_laptopVenemo: you?23:06
VenemoZogG_laptop, I'm fine, just doing some catching up23:06
Venemodjszapi_, ptl, this is the article:
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ptlVenemo: I was talking about another battery app, not the one that continuously changes its .desktop file, lemme check here23:15
ptlI don't remember its name now, but it's something that collects info like android23:16
itsnotabigtruckok, inception 0.2.5 is out23:17
itsnotabigtruckno major reason to upgrade if you're on pr1.2 or pr1.3, though there is a minor bug fix23:18
itsnotabigtruckbut it now also works on pr1.0 and pr1.1, which 0.2 didn't23:18
itsnotabigtrucklet me know if there are any problems23:18
ptlwhy would anyone still be in pr1.0 or pr1.1?23:19
itsnotabigtruckdammit, just realized my bug fix was actually a regression, heh23:21
itsnotabigtruckok, rebuilding23:22
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itsnotabigtruckptl: at least one person was and asked me what was up23:23
itsnotabigtruckit was an n950 and the owner was either unaware of pr1.2beta or didn't want to flash it23:23
itsnotabigtruckbut he's upgraded now i think23:23
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itsnotabigtruckin any case, 0.1 worked on pr1.1 so 0.2 ought to as well23:23
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: is pr1.4 out already?23:25
* djszapi_ wonders what is the best way to get internet on n9 with a usb 3G stick...23:26
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djszapi_perhaps usb networking?23:26
djszapi_ajalkane: sup23:26
djszapi_Sir Nokia CEO :)23:26
ajalkanewadup djszapi_23:27
ajalkaneI'd also like to be knight23:27
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi_: put the sim card in the usb 3g stick in the n9? :p23:28
itsnotabigtruckthe micro vs full size sim business might be a problem though23:28
itsnotabigtruck < fixed version23:28
djszapi_itsnotabigtruck: indeed, the sim is a full sim inside the vodafone stick.23:29
djszapi_and my n9 accepts micro sim.23:29
djszapi_if the stick can accept micro sim, I could cut it off though.23:29
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi_: but you could put it in one of your 950s23:29
djszapi_itsnotabigtruck: not with me in Ireland.23:30
djszapi_I have only an n900 and N9 with me.23:30
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: put in n900 and share internet with n9 =)23:30
djszapi_actually if the N900 has a proper joikuspot like app, that would be great23:31
djszapi_iow, mobile hotspot23:31
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: i think it has23:32
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djszapi_darn, I should get a blackberry dev phone23:33
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ZogG_laptopVenemo: btw i have problems with virtual kbd on n950 and irc-chatter23:33
djszapi_but I am in the middle of nowhere, and no chance to have any blackberry jam nearby.23:33
jonniyep, there is commercial joikuspot app for N900.23:34
djszapi_jonni: free?23:34
VenemoZogG_laptop, jon #irc-chatter and tell me about it23:34
ZogG_laptopwhen i use normal keboard and than close it has space between chat and virtual keybord in portrait23:34
jonnidjszapi_: free version was only http, and paid version was full.23:34
ZogG_laptopand sometimes virtual keyboard shows only iin portrait with black screen when i'm in landscape23:34
djszapi_what do you mean by only "http" ?23:34
VenemoZogG_laptop, yes, that's probably a bug in the virtual keyboard23:34
jonnidjszapi_: it only forwarded http protokol, so you ssh didnt work.23:35
djszapi_jonni: unsure what you mean?23:35
ajalkanejonni: you sure, or is it only port 80 and not protocol sniffing?23:35
djszapi_jonni: why would I ever need ssh for running a mobile hotspot application?23:36
djszapi_and then connecting from somewhere else to that AP?23:36
jonniie free version was cripled only to be 80/443.  ie if you have laptop and use joikuspot as your inet AP, and you want to ssh from laptop to your ssh server, no go on free one. But if your laptop only uses http browser, then free one works.23:37
djszapi_jonni: except that, if the server listens on 44323:37
djszapi_via ssh23:37
tehdelyi just want someone to tweak the N9 one to do WPA23:37
tehdelybecause apparently the chipset supports infrastructure mode23:37
tehdelyi'm tryinna remember if the N9 even does bluetooth DUN or not23:38
jonnidjszapi_: that doesnt work either, free one only was http proxy, it didnt forward tcp/ip connections, so listening 443 would fail.23:38
jonnionly the commercial one forwarded tcp/ip.23:38
djszapi_jonni: sorry ?23:39
djszapi_telnet server 443 worked ?23:39
djszapi_ok, I see...23:39
djszapi_that is not too useful.23:39
ptlitsnotabigtruck: I forgot about the N950. Sorry.23:39
ptlIn the N900 we had the 'phone control' page on naemo.org23:41
ptlwhat do we have for the N9?23:41
djszapi_well, at any rate ...23:42
paiputils-ping fucked up my n9 :)23:42
djszapi_are there cool bicycle related apps for free for N9?23:42
djszapi_pa: good job!23:42
tehdelyi track my rides w/ sports-tracker23:42
tehdelydunno what ele there is really23:42
padjszapi_, there will be soon :)23:42
djszapi_tehdely: sadly, edmondo does not provide a client23:42
tehdelynor strava23:42
tehdelybut that's what GPX export is for23:42
djszapi_clicked on Nokia23:42
djszapi_and they have sent me a Symbian link.23:42
tehdelyonly disappointment w/ sports-tracker is you can't export straight from the N923:43
ptlthere was a very good app for the N900, it was not ported to the N923:43
tehdelylike you can on symbian23:43
ajalkanedjszapi_: Off the top of my head, "Alkoon" application shows where to direct bike to get some vodka.23:43
djszapi_ajalkane: rotfl23:43
djszapi_tehdely: not even from command line?23:43
tehdelyif you can, it ain't documented anywhere23:43
djszapi_like with the contact list23:43
djszapi_you can use the vcard hack23:43
tehdelyyou can grab the .dat files23:44
tehdelybut you need something to convert to gpx23:44
djszapi_isn't that done by a third-party application?23:44
tehdelythe symbian sports-tracker will export gpx straight out of the app.  but on n9 you have to sync w/ their cloud service, and download gpx from the website23:44
tehdelynot as convenient23:44
djszapi_oh btw, edmondo does not provide a version for Fremantle either23:44
tehdelyi tried using gpsbabel and it didn't recognize the format23:44
ptlgpsbabel does not?23:44
tehdelythis burned me last weekend when they had their 3-day long outage or w/e23:45
tehdelythey were down for quite a while23:45
tehdelyi even grabbed the .dat files, put em on a symbian phone i had, and tried to export from there23:45
tehdelybut sports-tracker wouldn't recognize the files23:45
tehdelyguess there's at least a slight difference in format between the symbian and meego versions23:45
padjszapi_, what do you need , other than gps?23:45
pa(in the app)23:45
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djszapi_tehdely: wow:
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djszapi_pa: do you know edmondo?23:46
pano, only sportstracker23:46
pai check edmondo23:46
djszapi_"Turn your mobile into a personal coach!"23:46
djszapi_the keyword is _coach_23:46
djszapi_so it is not only about gps23:46
tehdelyyes it's like a personal jerry sandusky23:47
pai am currently supporting polar HRM23:47
pathe bluetooth belt23:47
paand i want to add the gps23:47
pasomething else?23:47
ptlI also have a bluetooth belt from zephyr23:47
tehdelywill your app do direct gpx export23:47
ptlvery nice indeed23:47
pai want to export, yeah23:47
tehdelyif so i will use the hell out of it and give you lots of feedback23:47
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: no app for harmattan23:47
pabut what would be great is a way to disable the light sensor of harmattan23:48
paso that i can have the screen always on23:48
palowest brightness23:48
paand i can control the light sensor so that if i cover it, it gets brighter23:48
djszapi_oh this flight-tracker also looks interesting23:49
djszapi_tehdely: 4658 reviews wow !!23:50
ptlThe N9 has incredibly good apps23:50
ptlIn my Android I tested about 5 cinema apps23:50
ptland none of them were as good as my current N9 cinema app23:50
paIs that for harmattan?23:50
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pai mean flight-tracker23:50
djszapi_pa: yep23:51
djszapi_I fly every month, almost23:51
tehdelyi'm exclusively amtrak23:51
tehdelyi should suggest they make a harmattan app ;)23:51
padjszapi_, on the store it doesnt look like23:51
ptl"Sorry, this item is not available for the Nokia N9"23:52
djszapi_pa: then perhaps not23:52
djszapi_I have not actually checked23:52
ajalkaneWell there's this one, maybe it's similar (Crazy Flight)
djszapi_I thought it would be available23:52
paso i continue with my meeTrainer23:52
djszapi_ajalkane: I dislike that23:53
tehdelypa: let me know how that goes23:53
tehdelyi am interested23:53
djszapi_that app has no nonsense reviews. it is not fun :)23:53
paby the way, how can i safely install iputils-ping, since it conflicts with busybox-somethin?23:53
patehdely, sure23:53
djszapi_pa into /opt ?23:53
ajalkanedjszapi_: ah... your nonsense ovi review app is ready?23:53
ptlmake a path under ~developer/bin23:53
ptlmodify PATH to use that path first23:53
pahm but how? unpack byhand you mean?23:53
ptland extract the binary you want there23:53
pai could, yeah23:53
djszapi_ajalkane: nah, I was busy with this crazy thingie called Qt523:53
pabut what about aegis then?23:53
ptlthat's what I did with core utils and such23:53
ptloh, it will be under ~developer/bin, aegis doesn't care23:54
ptlit only cares about root stuff23:54
ptldpkg-deb -x package destination23:54
ajalkaneaww yeah... I gots a bit more motivation for the crazy Qt5 thingies as it'll be used in Jolla's phone. Doesn't seem such a waste on mobile now.23:54
ptlextract the package on destionation without installing it23:54
djszapi_ajalkane: I see Jolla as a big waste tbh.23:54
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: ?23:55
pathanks, let me try :)    so you say i should create a user "developer"?23:55
ajalkanedjszapi_: you'll change your tune in 1 year23:55
ptlsorry, I thought you enabled developer mode in your N923:55
djszapi_pa: there is such a user by default23:55
ptlthought everyone here had23:55
pai did23:56
djszapi_ajalkane: huh ?23:56
ajalkanedjszapi_: that's my prediction. We'll see within 1 year if I was right :)23:56
djszapi_ajalkane: my tune is the d3fault Nokia one, and I am happy with that.23:56
ajalkaneIt'll be Jolla tune in one year lol23:56
djszapi_no, thanks.23:56
pai have dev mode on, but i cant see /home/developer23:56
ptlajalkane: next yeat I'll buy either Ubuntu phone or Jolla's phone, whiched is the geekest. I don't care much for apps, I care for letting me compiling my own easily.23:57
tehdelypa: to get /home/developer you have to open the sdk connect tool at least one time23:57
djszapi_ptl: or blackberry23:57
ptl*whichever is the geekest23:57
paah right23:57
ajalkanepa: you think Ubuntu phone will be out next year?23:57
ptlblackberry is not geek23:57
panever did :)23:57
djszapi_ptl: it is?23:57
ajalkaneI meant pt123:57
djszapi_ajalkane: canonical is much smaller than the initiative from Jolla, we all know, right ...23:58
ptldjszapi_: ok, it might be geek, but not Unix-like geek23:58
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djszapi_ptl: huh ?23:58
ptlajalkane: I do think23:58
djszapi_ptl: qnx is very similar to unix...23:58
ptldjszapi_: blackberry23:58
ptldjszapi_: I understand, but Android is also 'very similar to unix' in the kernel, but it has no dbus, no pulseaudio, no upstart etc.23:58
ajalkaneptl: what makes you think that? From what I've understood it'll take a couple of years still, but I haven't heard anything concrete23:59
ptldjszapi_: I work as unix admin and I like a phone that behaves like an Unix server.23:59
djszapi_ptl: I dislike upstart, pulseaudio23:59
djszapi_ajalkane: why speculate?23:59
djszapi_clearly, people knowing anything concrete will not speak anyways23:59
tehdelyptl: same and same23:59

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