IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2012-07-20

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befordhi, what was the name for the app to get idle power usage?00:42
ajalkaneBatter Usage?00:42
ajalkane*Battery Usage :P00:43
ajalkaneNokia Store would probably puke on trying to find with "Batter Usage".00:43
beforddoes it have to be open all the time? or it has some daemon thing00:48
ajalkaneIt has a daemon00:49
befordah nice00:49
befordthanks lets see if i figure out what killed my battery yesterday00:49
ajalkaneI've read claims that the daemon itself is a bit power hungry - but I don't know. I haven't measured it.00:49
befordheh well I can ignore that for this check00:52
louisdkDoes the N950 use mini og micro SIM card?01:10
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ajalkaneNormal... what ya call normal nowadays, mini perhaps?01:15
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befordi'll give you 100 for  that n950 Ariadeno01:21
azeemwell, the N9 has a microSIM01:21
merlin1991n9 is microsim n950 uses regular sim01:22
louisdkI read the manual and found out about the SIM :P Wiered that N950 uses SIM, and N9 Micro-SIM.01:22
merlin1991not really01:22
merlin1991the n950 was done @ a time where regular sim was still the way to go01:22
ajalkaneIt's not weird. Just an annoyance when you want to switch between the two :)01:22
merlin1991when the n9 came out apple had converted the marked enough to microsim that nokia did it aswell01:23
ZogG_laptopbeford: you have your on the way =)01:23
louisdkThe manual says to not use a Micro SIM wih an adapter, but yearh.01:23
ajalkanelouisdk: even in this irc channel there's people who have broken their N950 using adapter. So heed the warning :)01:23
befordZogG_laptop: hehe :P01:24
louisdkajalkane: Shit. It's a rare device.01:24
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ajalkanelouisdk: yeah. I got a double mobile account. One with normal sized sim and one with micro sim, to avoid wrecking "My precious"01:25
merlin1991when I went from my n900 to a n9 I used scissors01:25
louisdkajalkane: Hmm. Maybe I should just get a new sim-card then.01:26
ajalkanelouisdk: if you want to use both n950 and n9 with a sim card, i think that's the safest way to go01:27
louisdkI'll not use my N9 as a phone any more anyway. I hate the design and the form factor. N950 FTW!01:27
teleshoes'The manual says to not use a Micro SIM wih an adapter, but yearh.'01:28
teleshoescomplete bullshit01:28
teleshoes=> physically identical01:28
louisdkIt's one of the best QWERTY phones IMO and I should have been released.01:28
teleshoesits all about where it goes01:28
ajalkaneDude, you were released01:29
befordtexrat and MohammadAG  got the pins fucked up with adapters01:29
louisdkSpeel correction I mean : It ;)01:29
teleshoesyea, you just need to not do it wrong01:29
beford(i think texrat put the adapter without the microsim, not sure about MohammadAG)01:30
louisdkNo I'm not released. I'm very closed sourced ;)01:30
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ajalkaneYou only need to publish the sources when you release the product01:30
ajalkaneUntil you have the reproductive unit, you're safe to plan the details and not release anything01:31
teleshoesgotta say, convo turned pretty weird about, oh, lets say, 1 message ago01:31
ajalkaneCome on... I think it turned weird the moment people started advocating putting sim adaptors into the _holy_ N950 :)01:32
befordmail client doesn't escape html tags on the subject..01:32
teleshoeslook man01:32
teleshoesif the adapters made right01:32
teleshoesit is identical01:32
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teleshoesto a sim01:33
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teleshoescannot be otherwise01:33
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ajalkaneI fail to see the relevance01:33
azeemteleshoes: usually, it is slightly higher AIUI, unless you scrub off some material off you SIM01:33
teleshoesas i understand it?01:33
louisdkDoes anyone know why Nokia cancelled N950 and released N9 publicly instead?01:33
teleshoesawesome, havent guessed an acronym in a long time01:34
azeemthat took me some time01:34
azeemPostgreSQL people kept using it on their dev list01:34
ajalkanelouisdk: Stephen Elop01:34
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ajalkanelouisdk: but seriously, one reason MAY be the high fault rate of N950.01:35
teleshoesi should trip mice01:35
teleshoesit stinks, thats me?01:36
teleshoesi should thank me01:36
teleshoesit seems to me!01:36
teleshoesintarwabs says so01:36
louisdkajalkane: Which probs?01:37
teleshoesmy microsim+adapter is identical to my sim01:37
azeemteleshoes: yeah, it seems to me01:37
teleshoesprecise height01:37
azeemsorry, didn't realize you were still guessing01:37
azeemI was like WTF is going on IRC tonight?01:37
ajalkanelouisdk: screen problems. The LCD starts leaking. Dead pixel plague.01:37
louisdkajalkane: Okay.01:38
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ajalkaneI had to replace my N950 in 4-5 months. I know several others even in this channel got the same problem.01:38
ajalkaneThat's pretty much for such a limited device.01:38
azeem alludes at the N950 being a dedicated developer device and never meant for consumer, not sure whether it is true01:39
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ajalkaneazeem: That just tells about the known decisions. Of course originally N950 was meant as consumer device.01:40
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Oni^what are diffrences with N950 and E7 in hardware01:40
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arceaneverything except a case and a kbd ? :D01:41
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merlin1991even the case is different e7 has more stuff01:43
merlin1991did anybody benchmark the n950 vs the n9 camera?01:45
arceanthat's what i'm doing now :D01:45
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infobotupdate is, like,
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ZogG_N950~update is
infobot...but update is already something else...10:19
ZogG_N950DocScrutinizer, how do u update those things^10:20
ZogG_N950infobot, forget update10:20
infobotZogG_N950: i forgot update10:20
ZogG_N950~update is
infobotokay, ZogG_N95010:20
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valdur55Can i make sftp connection to computer?11:53
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jabisvaldur55: ssh / scp works out of the box when developer mode is enabled12:01
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ladogai mount N9's MyDocs on my laptop using sshfs12:04
ladogaworks nicely12:04
valdur55yea... this works12:06
ladogadisabled root login via ssh and enabled key based auth12:06
valdur55but i want look computer filesystem with phone :)12:06
ladogathere's fuse and sshfs in rzrs repo i think12:07
ladogai havent tried how it works on the phone though12:07
ladogabut if it works, then it's just the same only other way around12:08
valdur55ok. sshf is solution but mount fails...12:09
valdur55fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted :D12:09
jonniyep you need to be on all capa opensh which has the mount permission.12:10
jonniotherwise you get operation not permitted12:11
valdur55even this fail..12:12
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Arkenoidamn. my screen artifact grows :-(12:13
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ZogG_laptopArkenoi: n950?12:16
ZogG_laptopvaldur55: use inception and ariande sh12:17
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ArkenoiZogG, yep12:19
Arkenoidead (black) pixels12:19
Arkenoiin stripes12:19
valdur55oh damn.. ariande :D12:19
valdur55oh got it :D12:20
ZogG_laptopit scares me12:23
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ieatlintdon't you just sometimes get that feeling to go shoot up an entire movie theatre watching batman?12:34
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jabisvaldur55: inception adds needed permissions by setting the source of the packages to thus elevating permissions not granted otherwise12:36 dpkg -i sshfs*deb; opensh -c "sshfs root@ /mnt"; # worked for me just fine. But then again I have opensh 1.1 installed which enables AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN, things go a bit different with inception.12:36
mankelijonni: is it possible to get permissions set for sshfs so that it can be run as regular user?12:38
jonnidepends what you mean as regular user12:38
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dymaxionwondering, does anyone have problems with the touchscreen - when the N9 is plugged into USB power, the screen laggs and fails to register drags and touches.  Running top doesn't show anything maxing out CPU or anything strange... so must be something else.. anyone else have this prob?12:39
mankelijonni: i mean that i can log in as "user" and do "sshfs mankeli@ /home/user/code"12:39
jabisincept the package12:40
jabisshould be enough12:40
mankelisince developing is so much nicer with sshfs, i'd like to even make some gui for it12:40
jonnidymaxion: yes there has been some reported cases, that some cheap/bad wallchargers and maybe bad usb plugs, can cause electric interfarance which causes touch stop working while cable is attached12:41
mankelijabis: i think it still requires to be devel-su root12:41
jonnimankeli: well if you tweak your aegis manifest file, then everything is possible, but with default package you need to use hacks.12:42
dymaxionjonni, so it sounds like it's bad earthing of the USB plugs, non branded.  Unfortuantely I don't know where I put my original nokia one! So have purchased replacement (apple ones - copies) only 2USD in HK :-)  oh well.12:43
jonnidymaxion: yep, you need to put few usb more on the table to get proper cable :)12:43
mankelijonni: i think that even with regular linux installation, the sshfs has to be setuid root12:43
jonniUSB even12:43
mankelibut you can override that with aegis manifest?12:44
jonnimankeli: you can add root uid to the manifest, so setuid still works12:44
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mankelihmm i should try that12:45
jonniits only software so anything is possible. Some things just take a bit coding effort :)12:45
jabisperhaps a simple daemon running as root and then you latch into it?12:46
jabisa wrapper if you like12:46
mankelihmm, perhaps perhaps12:48
mankeliof course i have to stab sshfs a bit to integrate it with gui12:48
mankelidbus messages when connection drops etc12:48
mankeliits absolutely annoying when the level of integration is that the gui prog with just launch some executable and that's it12:49
mankelilike that btinput tool in store12:50
mankelioops, i mean that it's annoying when the level of integration is that the gui prog just launches some executable and doesn't get any feedback from that12:51
jabistrue dat12:52
jabisbut nice that someone bothered to bring at least a working bt kbd driver to the table12:53
mankeliwell i have ideas for that too. the hidd could capture some key combinations and send commands to X11 to change windows12:55
mankeliand currently it just talks to the hid device, and sends those keys thru uinput. but i think firefox (for example) doesn't accept input that way12:57
mankeliand of course vkb keeps popping up. so maybe there could be some maliit plugin for that12:58
valdur55damn.. i will make alias for apt-get install -d package && incept -i package :)12:58
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valdur55OK. But. is it possible to use mercurial with harmattan?13:03
jonnivaldur55: yes its possible.13:08
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ZogG_N950jonni, in open mode the kernel is the one compiled from sources?13:29
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ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: ping14:07
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DocScrutinizer05Arkenoi: known defect, gets worse with time14:48
DocScrutinizer05Arkenoi: try to swap/RMA this screen asap14:49
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ArkenoiDocScrutinizer, i really doubt our local Nokia has spare devices, but worth asking at least15:10
DocScrutinizer05well, that won't fly I guess. As long as you don't hand them the device though, it probably isn't too much hurt in asking15:11
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DocScrutinizer05Arkenoi: how old is this N950?15:11
DocScrutinizer05I mean when did you receive it?15:12
Arkenoione year15:12
Arkenoiworked flawlessly all that time15:13
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, a bit late for warranty replacement then15:43
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if Nokia re-used a LCD from another phone model15:44
DocScrutinizer05in N95015:44
TronicDocScrutinizer05: I friend of mine who works in Nokia Care tried to find a replacement, with no luck.16:00
TronicE7 has different panel.16:00
TronicN950 never had any warranty anyway.16:01
TronicSome lucky ones apparently managed to get them replaced via their Nokia DDP contacts.16:01
DocScrutinizer05sure, but they replaced early defects and DOAs16:01
TronicI wasn't so lucky :/16:01
TronicBut then, I never ended up releasing any software for the device either (if testing and debugging Inception before release doesn't count).16:11
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chem|st~seen ajalkane16:32
infobotajalkane <> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 14h 51m 44s ago, saying: 'azeem: That just tells about the known decisions. Of course originally N950 was meant as consumer device.'.16:32
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heymaster-laptopHello. How to update QML Listview element if I added new elements to my model ?19:07
Elleoheymaster-laptop: I end up removing and reinserting the element (at the same position)19:09
Elleoin theory there's a dataChanged signal, but apparently that doesn't work on ListViews (Bug QTBUG-13664)19:09
heymaster-laptopElleo: thanks19:09
Elleoheymaster-laptop: <-- that's what I do, not especially elegant, but it works19:11
heymaster-laptopElleo: thanks for example. just need to understand it :)19:11
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ZogG_laptopElleo: sup my man19:12
Elleohey ZogG_laptop :)19:12
ZogG_laptopElleo: where have you been?19:12
Elleosuper busy at work mostly19:12
Elleohad a few days off for holiday after one particularly hectic week, but mostly just working lots19:13
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Elleowe had a review of one of our research projects recently, which we had to give a demonstration at; so we were working pretty solidly until that was complete19:14
Elleothings are a bit more relaxed now though19:14
Elleohow're you?19:14
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heymaster-laptopElleo: I just tryed to delete all rows from my model: for (i=0; i < servers.count(); i++) { model->removeRow(i) ;} << But ListView haven't changed :/19:28
Elleoheymaster-laptop: make sure you're sending delete and added signals whilst doing it19:29
Elleovia the beginRemoveRows()/endRemoveRows() and beginInsertRows()/endInsertRows() functions19:29
heymaster-laptopElleo: ahh, ok, thanks :)19:29
Elleono worries :)19:30
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faenilhey :)19:52
faenilcan anybody help me troubleshoot harmattan booting issues?19:52
faenilI installed latest nemo image and harmattan isn't booting anymore19:52
faenilhad to run fsck.etx4 to be able to extract nemo's image though19:52
faeniland I think that messed up with harmattan,..19:52
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faenilnot booting19:55
djszapifaenil: then write a new bootloader in java19:55
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heymaster-laptopElleo: << still ListView not changing .19:59
heymaster-laptopServerListModel is my QAbstractListModel subclass20:00
heymaster-laptopAnd I calling this function after I insert new element20:00
Elleoand the element is still displayed after calling it?20:01
heymaster-laptopElleo: I see all elements. After I rerun my app i see new element20:01
Elleonot sure what to suggest, that looks reasonable for removing everything20:02
ElleoI haven't played with List Models in C++, but I don't see anything obviously wrong20:03
Elleonot sure what to suggest really, sorry20:03
jonnifaenil: did nemo change the system clock by any change? Atleast for me default date which was too old broken harmattan from booting :)20:03
heymaster-laptopElleo: ok, thanks anyway :)20:03
Elleoalthough you don't need to be removing stuff just to add an element20:03
Elleoits only if that element has changed that you need to remove it and readd it20:04
Elleowhen adding something new you just need beginInsertRows()/endInsertRows() around it20:04
heymaster-laptopElleo: ok, will try with beginInsertRows()/endInsertRows() ..20:04
faeniljonni, so I just have to change the date? :)20:06
djszapijonni: sup20:06
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jonnifaenil: heh, atleast it helped me after I debugged the booterror reason from kernel logs when I tried harmattan and latest nemo last week on my N9.20:09
faeniljonni, my harmattan had default date (6feb 2011), don't know about nemo, booting now :)20:09
faenil(booting nemo)20:09
jonniyep wrong year can cause harmattan not to boot.20:10
faenilthat seems retarded, but ok :D hope that will help :D20:11
faenil(nemo still booting)20:11
faenilholy crap nemo only shows black screen now...argh20:12
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WntI hope you have backups20:13
faenilI wasn't using it, so no problem :)20:13
faenilI only use it for devving20:13
louisdkThis is pretty wiered. There are keymaps for the N800, N810 and N900 in Harmattan. Hmm...20:13
faenilbut it's not nice..20:13
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heymaster-laptopElleo: I have method QObject * ServerModel::getModel() which passes model to QML ListView. This method is called one time and never again. Maybe I need to update QML value, but I'm using qmlRegisterType20:22
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Elleoheymaster-laptop: I set my model as a context property20:23
heymaster-laptopElleo: but you doing this just one time ?20:23
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heymaster-laptopElleo: or you calling it after model changed ?20:24
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ElleoI just set it once as a context property, then only use the insert/remove signals after that20:25
heymaster-laptopAfter execution of beginInsertRows(QModelIndex(), k, k); models rowsCount method get called20:25
Elleofrom the few examples I've seen glancing at the qt docs they all set the model as a context property, rather than getting it via a method call from qml20:29
Elleoperhaps doing it the way you're currently doing inadvertantly creates a copy of the model or something instead of just keeping a reference to it20:29
heymaster-laptopElleo: ok will try20:34
faeniljonni, should I set it to 6th february or the current day?20:34
jonnicurrent day20:34
faenilI tried setting to 7th february but it didn't work20:34
jonniand current year :)20:34
faenilanyway why shouldn't it work, harmattan had it set at 6th feb :D20:35
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ZogG_laptopcompiling kernel on n950 takes ages and it makes it's hot as potato =)20:44
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freemangordonanyone knows how am I supposed to install skype on n950?21:14
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macmaNfreemangordon: im pretty sure my tutorial still applies
freemangordonmacmaN: tried it, don't work :(. apt-get install account-plugin-skype tries to update a bunch if libs and to remove mp-...-rm68021:16
macmaNoh, you may have a problem now that repos are at 1.3 and n950 isnt :<21:17
freemangordonmaybe I need to do  apt-get install account-plugin-skype=VERSION, but i don't know that version21:17
freemangordonany clue?21:17
freemangordonmacmaN: could you tell me which version of skype you have installed?21:18
freemangordonaccount-plugin-skype that is21:18
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arcean_freemongardon: PR1.2beta?21:20
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arcean_give me sec, I'll check if I have backuped the plugkin21:21
freemangordonarcean_: it should be PR 1.221:21
macmaNii  account-plugin-skype                 0.85+0m6                             Skype plugin for accounts-ui21:21
freemangordonmacmaN: thanks a lot, will try it21:22
SazpaimonZogG_laptop, pong21:24
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: did you succeed with kernel and modules from nemo?21:25
ZogG_laptopfreemangordon: nice to see you here, got a device?21:25
freemangordonZogG_laptop: yep21:25
SazpaimonZogG_laptop, I got distracted with other tings21:25
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ZogG_laptopfreemangordon: i bet new things gonna popup soon =)21:26
freemangordonmacmaN: no joy :(, version not found in repo21:26
arcean_freemangordon: congrats :)21:26
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: i'm currently compiling it in chroot21:26
arcean_freemangordon: I've found the plugin on HDD21:26
freemangordonarcean_: did you find the .deb?21:26
freemangordon:) may I have it?21:26
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SazpaimonZogG_laptop, compiling what, nemo?21:34
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Sazpaimonalso freemangordon congrats on your device21:35
Sazpaimoni wish I can find the time to finish my steam client so I can enter it in the contest21:36
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: funtoo21:37
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SazpaimonZogG_laptop, why funtoo22:23
Sazpaimonim a gentoo guy myself22:23
Sazpaimonbut even I know where it doesn't belong22:23
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ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: why? luke-jr has it on n90022:28
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* djszapi_ is wondering if there is such a thing as 3D painting.22:40
Sazpaimonluke-jr, these devices are pretty underpowered for compiling everything22:40
Sazpaimonunless you plan on running a distcc server, or creating a binhost for your device22:40
luke-jrSazpaimon: distcc works nicely22:41
Sazpaimonthats what I did on my sheevaplug22:41
Sazpaimonjust make sure to add nodoc and noman to FEATURES to maximize space22:41
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djszapi_rzr: sup22:46
rzrhi , id fun w/ nemo22:47
djszapi_rzr: ok, so have fun with ocaml packaging ^^22:48
rzrask one more time and i assign you to this task22:48
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djszapi_rzr: it was not a question ;)22:49
rzri dont have my files here22:52
djszapi_rzr: why target djszapi ?22:53
djszapi_it should land in the community repository.22:53
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ZogG_laptoprzr: when you'll have some free time?22:58
ZogG_laptoprzr: i need some help fron you on building something, tried on obs, but stuck with unresolved dependies22:59
djszapi_dependencies are overrated23:00
ZogG_laptopdamn hebrew change smiles23:11
djszapi_you cry in hebrew when you laugh in English?23:12
djszapi_so how is the qt5 story on Harmattan? Any progress?23:14
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rzrZogG, Ping me after sunday23:36
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chem|stdjszapi_: is rzr's obs repo n9 proof?23:43
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chem|stor is it more like maemo-devel?23:43
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chem|stSazpaimon: steamclient? overrated... better get a password manager compatible with keepass AND pwsafe going!23:45
djszapi_chem|st: first, that is a community repository, not rzr's23:46
djszapi_second, it is done for Harmattan, so it should work with N9, yep.23:46
chem|stdjszapi_: I know but it is in rzr's home :)23:46
djszapi_chem|st: well, we did not get a community repository url, that is all23:47
djszapi_so I proposed there.23:47
djszapi_it does not matter where it is after all23:47
djszapi_chem|st: should work with N950 and n923:47
chem|stno it doesn't, just when coming freshly from n900 you are struck by lightning the first week with harmattan23:47
chem|stis there a packagemanager?23:48
chem|stI haven't got ssh working yet23:48
chem|styou might gimme a hand on that :)23:48
chem|sta pain without ssh23:49
chem|stgot n9, so swype input :/23:49
djszapi_you can use pkgmgr as well23:49
djszapi_from command line23:50
djszapi_for installing user packages23:50
chem|stdjszapi_: short step by step guidance on ssh?23:50
chem|stI have set a user password23:50
djszapi_chem|st: install stuff in developer mode23:51
chem|stthought developermode is ssh ready?23:51
djszapi_get a password from the SDK tool after connecting via the micro usb cable23:51
djszapi_ifconfig usb0 up23:51
djszapi_ssh developer@
chem|stoh it is restricted to usb netowrking?23:52
Elleowifi works too23:52
djszapi_chem|st: nope, but that is how I have been doing.23:52
chem|stElleo: ssh developer@ip did not work with developer password nor did user@ip work23:53
chem|stElleo: wifi23:53
Elleonot sure what to suggest to you then, that works fine for me23:53
Elleoalthough I only did it once, then just copied my ssh key23:53
Elleoafter which you don't need to bother with the sdk tool23:53
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djszapi_you can also set to your preferred password23:54
djszapi_and you do not need to bother with the sdk tool either23:54
djszapi_that is what I had been doing23:54
chem|stoh damn it!23:58
chem|stat work it did not want to proceed... now at home it does!23:58
djszapi_do not work anymore :-)23:59
chem|stit is 11pm over here...23:59
chem|stor you do not work anymore..23:59
djszapi_was just joking in general.23:59

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