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| rzr | hi | 00:39 |
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| rzr | is any of you runs pr1.3 on n9 ? i wanna u to test redak-0.6.0 ? | 00:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | hi | 00:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: i have pr1.3 | 00:40 |
| rzr | cool | 00:40 |
| rzr | i guess you have shared repo ? | 00:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | nope | 00:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have apps for meego version installed though | 00:41 |
| rzr | ok well uninstall redak | 00:41 |
| rzr | and direct link to deb should also work | 00:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw it turns out that shell meme generator thread on reddit (>3000 uv) is a greenpeace hoax | 00:41 |
| rzr | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/rzr/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/armel/redak_0.6.0-0_armel.deb | 00:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: veeery interesting =) | 00:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: btw why in load it shows all types of files including jpg and it would be nice to have title with filename or something and maybe line numbers | 00:43 |
| rzr | i not this a feat request | 00:45 |
| rzr | but i am putting portability as 1st priority | 00:45 |
| rzr | supporting nemo now | 00:45 |
| rzr | ZogG_laptop, so i guess there are not major regressions now | 00:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | wait | 00:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | still didn't check | 00:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | checked apps4meego version | 00:47 |
| rzr | that one is outdated please uninstall | 00:47 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: it works | 00:49 |
| rzr | ok thx | 00:50 |
| qwazix | rzr: ping | 00:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: do you have nemo on n950? | 00:50 |
| rzr | qwazix, pong | 00:50 |
| qwazix | If you didn't see the thread, I imported rawcam to github.com/qwazix/rawcam anf forked it to harmattan organization | 00:51 |
| qwazix | You should be able to push, if not tell me to check it out | 00:52 |
| rzr | cool | 00:52 |
| rzr | i will do that in a couple of days | 00:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: oh you building it for apps4meego? | 00:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: do you have n9 or n950? | 00:53 |
| qwazix | ZogG_laptop: both, I just posted the deb on tmo, and rzr was kind enough to add it to his repo | 00:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | as i understood n950 camera is better than n9 one? just wonder if you can use all the power of n950 | 00:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: what about apps4meego? | 00:54 |
| qwazix | N950 camera is better than N9, even @8MP. With rawcam you can also take 12MP pics, but the sensor has a different arrangement of colours and I haven't fixed that yet. Also the viewfinder doesn't work | 00:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | good | 00:56 |
| qwazix | Priorities are as follows: add features and simple settings for N9, fix N950 operation, upload to apps4meego or ovi | 00:57 |
| qwazix | but I can't promise anything as time is limited, (and I hate packaging) | 00:57 |
| rzr | i'll help you | 00:58 |
| qwazix | rzr: thanks :) | 00:58 |
| qwazix | rzr: you are very welcome to help | 00:59 |
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| qwazix | I'm hoping this weekend to be able to devote some time to it | 01:00 |
| rzr | i wont have too much time this week | 01:00 |
| rzr | but we'll do it soon or later | 01:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: did you use scratchbox or qtcreator? | 01:01 |
| arcean_ | qwazix, maybe I'll find some time to fix issues with n950 | 01:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean_: hey | 01:01 |
| qwazix | that's ok, won't be ready this week anyway, will just try to release a beta 2 | 01:01 |
| arcean_ | hey ZogG_laptop | 01:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean_: your led thing, can you just commit patch to unrestricted-system-ui of MohammadAG's version on github? | 01:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: if it's qtcreator i can try to package it for OBS | 01:02 |
| qwazix | arcean_: In fcam_dev package there is some function to set color arrangement for sensor | 01:02 |
| arcean_ | ZogG_laptop: the question is, if we want to have led notifications in unrestricted system-ui :) | 01:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean_: make it optional | 01:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | ? | 01:03 |
| qwazix | it has a comment about N9 being RGGB or something and old N9 sth else. No hint for N950 but I suppose brute force is our friend | 01:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean_: as i understand it's on/off or settings for led? | 01:04 |
| arcean_ | qwazix, that's not a problem, bigger issue is with the viewfinder :P | 01:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | what is viewfinder, sorry for noob question | 01:05 |
| qwazix | ZogG_laptop: I use qt creator for development, but sb for release as the qtcreator binary refuses to run as user | 01:05 |
| arcean_ | ZogG_laptop, no, it works as in the n900 | 01:05 |
| arcean_ | so if you have missed a call, led blinks | 01:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: refuse coz of aegis settings or permissions? | 01:05 |
| qwazix | arcean_: there is a slight possibility that they are related | 01:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean_: but how is it than related to system-ui - it's just a part of it right? so can't you make it as toggle when it turns on/off this in system ui? | 01:06 |
| arcean_ | qwazix, wow, interesting :) | 01:06 |
| qwazix | ZogG_laptop: don't know really, throws unable to open /dev/fb2 (framebuffer) and then segfaults. Works ok as developer and as root | 01:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: i think it's aegis thing | 01:07 |
| qwazix | if i build the same thing in sb it works as user too | 01:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: i would check try to check it | 01:08 |
| qwazix | my manifest.aegis is ok, as is the syspart.conf | 01:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: but not sure if i can resolve it | 01:08 |
| arcean_ | ZogG_laptop, we can make it checks a gconf key after reboot | 01:08 |
| qwazix | also it does the same thing in open mode | 01:08 |
| arcean_ | but the proper way would be to create Settings applet | 01:08 |
| qwazix | ZogG_laptop: viewfinder is the live preview of photo before you snap. Shows black on N950 | 01:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean_: i think toggle would be enuf for on/off now. but setting can be useful to add settings as frequacy and other options. and i think MohammadAG got it working with long press on toggles to open settings =P so i think it should be toggle like for unrestricted-system-ui | 01:10 |
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| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: oh, i have it in qml with camera component in qml as well, but i think it' irrelevant | 01:11 |
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| arcean_ | ZogG_laptop, sure, but there's also another thing - do we want system-ui to check a gconf key after receiving a new message or after the screen changes state? | 01:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean_: he has system-ui settings so you can use it i think | 01:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | and than it truiggers the msg icon right? | 01:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | just add to function to check the led setting as well or something | 01:14 |
| arcean_ | yeah, we can start making cssu for harmattan :) | 01:16 |
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| qwazix | ZogG_laptop: Maybe it is, probably they have coded the camera element specifically for the N9. By the way I tried to couple qml with fcam drivers (framebuffer overlay) for some hours but I got nowhere so I reverted to plain qt with custom themed widgets. | 01:18 |
| arcean_ | qwazix, repo is somewhere on gitorious or github? | 01:19 |
| qwazix | github.com/qwazix/rawcam and forked to harmattan organization | 01:19 |
| qwazix | not sure if that is the right thing to do | 01:19 |
| qwazix | beware the code is a bit of a mess, but it was late and wanted to release something so I didn't do much cleaning or commenting. Promise that I will do though, especially since I see there is interest | 01:21 |
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| qwazix | two questions: 1.does led notifier work on N950? | 01:23 |
| arcean_ | sure | 01:23 |
| arcean_ | the package was built for PR 1.3 | 01:23 |
| arcean_ | but should work on 1.2 also | 01:23 |
| qwazix | 2. does anybody have working dead keys for hwkb in qt apps in N950 | 01:23 |
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| arcean_ | hmm dunno | 01:24 |
| qwazix | PR1.3 maybe? I read this was a qt bug | 01:24 |
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| arcean_ | I'm using qt-components or MTF | 01:24 |
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| qwazix | Yeap I mean in standard apps | 01:25 |
| arcean_ | If you have an app or smth to test, I can check later | 01:25 |
| qwazix | I just loaded the Greek keyboard layout from the N900 to the N950 and the accent chatracter doesn't work as expected in any of the built in applications | 01:27 |
| qwazix | Tried also french to make sure it's not the layout thats wrong | 01:27 |
| qwazix | it prints the accent and then the character | 01:28 |
| arcean_ | hmm, in Polish kbd I just press SYM + character | 01:28 |
| qwazix | Not optimal but maybe good enough | 01:28 |
| qwazix | lemme check | 01:28 |
| arcean_ | but again, I've not tried this on Qt apps | 01:28 |
| qwazix | not working... | 01:29 |
| arcean_ | for me it worked out of the box | 01:30 |
| qwazix | rzr: your're using dead keys in french don't you? | 01:30 |
| qwazix | It's the two things I need to switch to N950 as main phone | 01:30 |
| arcean_ | btw If you would want to have better haptic feedback on the n950: http://meegoforum.pl/better-haptic-feedback-for-n950-t469.html | 01:31 |
| qwazix | arcean_: nice, I did think haptic is a bit washed-out | 01:33 |
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| qwazix | goodnight people, see you tomorrow | 01:38 |
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| PalimPalim | hello | 01:44 |
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| * RST38h moos at Mohammad | 02:29 | |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: How is suffering tonight? | 02:29 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h: How'd you know I just logged on? | 02:29 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: The old good IRCII shows join/leave messages =) | 02:30 |
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| virtuald | heh | 02:31 |
| virtuald | do ircii do ssl? or do you have to go through stunnel or somesuch if need be? | 02:32 |
| RST38h | Dunno: never write anything to irc that is of any value =) | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h: I wasn't here? Weird, I guess my bouncer's acting up | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | Oh well | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | Not a lot of suffering, just need to get up in 5 hours | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | Should get my iPad car mount tomorrow | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG | Wonder how cool/ridiculous it'll look | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG | Tbh at first I wanted to build a pandaboard / touchscreen car pc | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG | With integration to car engine and starter to start it up over 3G | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | For the heck of it | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | But it proved to be hard cause Linux doesn't have good car TS drivers | 02:41 |
| merlin1991 | hm how can I do something like onOrientationChanged in qml? | 02:56 |
| ljp | depends on if you want deivce or gui orientation | 03:06 |
| Namek | merlin1991: I don't now what are you trying to do but you can access the current orientation with this screen.orientationString, so if you bind this to a property you can do something like onPropertyChanged | 03:06 |
| merlin1991 | Namek: I did almost the same | 03:07 |
| Namek | property string orientationString: screen.orientationString | 03:07 |
| merlin1991 | I bound (screen.currentOrientation == Screen.Portrait ? screen.displayHeight: screen.displayWidth) to a property in order to resize stuff :) | 03:07 |
| Namek | then check for "Portrait" or "Landscape" | 03:07 |
| Namek | what are you trying to achieve? | 03:07 |
| merlin1991 | resize the width of a column depending on the orientation | 03:08 |
| merlin1991 | for some reason when I do it with parent.width I end up with -40 oO | 03:08 |
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| Namek | http://pastebin.com/nmaXRQUf | 03:09 |
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| Namek | you can try something like this, creating a "Landscape" and "Portrait" state and bind the state to screen.orientationString | 03:10 |
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| gagamel_ | ybdb | 03:11 |
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| merlin1991 | Namek: thanks, that works | 03:11 |
| Namek | great | 03:12 |
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| merlin1991 | perfect, sdk-connectivity-tool is now working in landscape :) | 03:21 |
| mtd | Arkenoi: if you find a replacement n950 LCD, I would love one too | 03:26 |
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| ZogG_laptop | anyone here who chrooted to other systems from harmattan? | 06:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i'm now with inception and in full root mod and i still get error : chroot /mnt/funtoo/ /bin/sh | 06:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | chroot: can't execute '/bin/sh': Operation not permitted | 06:38 |
| beford | qole should know | 06:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | qole is not here =) | 06:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | and he uses open-mode | 06:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm downloading kernel sources for harmattan | 06:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | i want to chroot into funtoo in harmattan to compile the kernel | 06:44 |
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| * ZogG_laptop compiles harmattan's kernel for funtoo in chroot of funtoo on harmattan on the phone =P | 07:41 | |
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| beford | ZogG_laptop, what specs is th n950? | 07:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: what exactly? | 07:55 |
| beford | ram? and cam ? I read they are not the same from n9 | 07:56 |
| beford | I suppose the cpu is the same | 07:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeap same cpu | 08:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | afaik less ram | 08:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | better cam | 08:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | =) | 08:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | it fails to boot into funtoo on loading kernel | 08:04 |
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| anthony_dev | hi guys. just bought n9 and wondering if there any chance to get patches from community (after pr1.3)? | 08:10 |
| beford | maybe | 08:11 |
| beford | hah not so easy ZogG_laptop ? :p | 08:13 |
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| JackaLX | Didn't /etc/refhashlist used to be a list of all the files that are "aegis protected" (if you changed any of the files in this list you'd end up MALF'ing your device)? Now it seems to just contain "Aegis3.0". | 09:06 |
| JackaLX | Where's the list these days? | 09:06 |
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| JackaLX | ah, found it! /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist | 09:13 |
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| gabriel9|work | i have one page in which i included js file, in that js file i calculate something and push new page to PageStack. But that JS file can't modify fields in that new page | 12:32 |
| gabriel9|work | is there some way that js can see stuff in that other page(pushed)? | 12:33 |
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| jonni | gabriel9|work: you should really prefer c++ and not use js. You could play with global js variables, but you really shoudn't. http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativejavascript.html#qml-javascript-restrictions | 12:43 |
| gabriel9|work | yes i know there is some restrictions | 12:49 |
| gabriel9|work | but i am not so good in C++ | 12:50 |
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| louis__ | Hi. | 14:28 |
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| chem|st | hi | 14:30 |
| louis__ | No PR1.3 available for N950? | 14:36 |
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| ZogG_laptop | louis__: not public | 14:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: sup | 14:38 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: is CalDAV pull only? | 14:43 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: where the hell do I set smtp wifi based? | 14:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: smtp wifi based? | 14:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | i dunno | 14:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | i dunno anything | 14:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | =( | 14:43 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: :) | 14:44 |
| * ZogG_laptop cries and runs away | 14:44 | |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: caldav is pain in the ass | 14:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | on n9 | 14:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: what ya trying to set there? gmail? | 14:44 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: sup | 14:44 |
| chem|st | communigate I just setup | 14:45 |
| faenil | yo :) studying :( | 14:45 |
| faenil | o/ everyone | 14:45 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: gmail comes later... | 14:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: what ya studing? | 14:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: there is huge, huge thread on TMO about it | 14:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: btw n9 or n950? | 14:45 |
| chem|st | if it is pull only where is the point in having caldav? | 14:46 |
| chem|st | n9 | 14:46 |
| louis__ | ZogG_laptop: Do you know why | 14:46 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, exam name: "Distributed systems: Paradigms and Models" | 14:46 |
| chem|st | louis__: there is now why there is only when | 14:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: there is option to set sync with google to sync accounts, so i think it might be two way | 14:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | louis__: why what? | 14:46 |
| chem|st | MfE that is then? | 14:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: you are finishing soon right? | 14:47 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, you mean the exam or the degree? | 14:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: yes, but i don't use it, i think it's a mess | 14:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: degree | 14:47 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, got the bachelor in CS in february, this is the first exam of the master degree :) | 14:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: so you decided to go, good!!!! | 14:48 |
| faenil | no I did not :( | 14:48 |
| faenil | I'm sending the CV to Jolla this afternoon :P | 14:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: good luck with that too btw | 14:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: but you need to study too, you can do both | 14:49 |
| faenil | but since I have no working experience they'll probably skip me, so I'm studying in the meanwhile | 14:49 |
| faenil | both? how can you | 14:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i did for few years. somebody needs to pay rent and buy food you know | 14:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | first few months i'm without job | 14:50 |
| faenil | oh well yeah... | 14:50 |
| faenil | nothing is impossible if you need to do it :) | 14:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i wear off myself =) | 14:51 |
| faenil | :) | 14:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | tht's why i barely was as school last year | 14:51 |
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| faenil | eh | 14:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | thouugh today i got 85 for exam i studied few days for and was at 3 lessons =P | 14:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | proogramming is easier than math and physics =) | 14:52 |
| faenil | eh :P | 14:52 |
| louis__ | ZogG_laptop: Do you know why PR1.3 is not public avaible for N950? | 14:53 |
| faenil | we only have 1-2 programming exams in the master degree unfortunately | 14:53 |
| faenil | rest is math and semantics | 14:53 |
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| ZogG_laptop | louis__: coz Nokia doesnt care anymore =) | 14:54 |
| louis__ | ZogG_laptop: Crap :/ | 14:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: we have C, C++, asm, programming systems (basicly little bit advanced C) and i think we have more after. now btw they switched C to java and you can choose to learn more for mobile development (but i think it's less embedded but more app's for iphone and shit like that) | 14:55 |
| azeem | was there ever an official PR1.2 for N950? | 14:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | azeem: nope - only beta | 14:56 |
| louis__ | PR 1.2 beta (3.2012.02-6) - released 2012-01-25 | 14:56 |
| azeem | ok, thought so | 14:56 |
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| arcean | and the beta is so slow and laggy :/ | 14:59 |
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| faenil | ZogG_laptop, but you're talking about the bachelor degree, right? | 15:04 |
| louis__ | How do I install N9tweak. What to do with the ...deb.bin file? | 15:04 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, we have those subjects too in the bachelor | 15:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: yeap that's whay i learn | 15:05 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, ok, I was talking about the master ;) which is boring | 15:07 |
| faenil | here at least | 15:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: afaik i know it's more freedom, more srs projects and more interesting | 15:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean: that's why i'm trying to boot into funtoo here =P | 15:09 |
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| faenil | mm | 15:10 |
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| pa | a way to backup wifi network infos? | 15:29 |
| pa | (like password and settings) | 15:29 |
| pa | in order to make them survive resets and reflashs | 15:29 |
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| jonni | pa: yes, you can use forexample gconftool-2 to dump gconf and restore it after reset or reflash. | 15:35 |
| pa | ah great, i didnt know it was stored in gconf | 15:41 |
| pa | thanks | 15:41 |
| pa | jonni, by the way, no news for the api call to disable the light sensor? : )) | 15:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: did you play with nemo/mer? | 15:41 |
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| louis__ | There's no wallpapers on N950 bedefault right? | 15:43 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: I did a quickplay, installed nemo dualboot to one of my N950's. Nemo looked quite similar to one of my previous projects. And I installed sb2/sdk, which looked quite similar to my harmattan sb2 env few year ago, but really didnt have to dig anywhere deep yet. | 15:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: when dual boot with moslo it uses kernel on nemo rootfs? | 15:46 |
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| jonni | I'm still coding my couple Harmattan project, so I'm keeping mer stuff on backburner for now. afaik its not using it from rootfs, but from the nand device where you flashed it. but I didnt check | 15:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i didn't flash, i flashed moslo to dual boot and i have mmc...0p4 with rootfs | 15:53 |
| jonni | have to start learning coding of gles shaders for qt5 :) | 15:53 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: yep mmc has rootfs | 15:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i need to start learning "hello world" =) | 15:55 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: someone had stolen my "OpenGL ES 2.0 Programming Guide"-book from my work bookshelf, so I had to order another copy. | 15:56 |
| jonni | nice collegues who 'forget' to return the books they load from me :) | 15:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: or tyou can track him and kill him | 15:57 |
| jonni | loan even | 15:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | boobooo | 15:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 16:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | why did i write boobooo? | 16:02 |
| gabriel9|work | jonni, can you share some nice read(online) for gles shaders for qt5 | 16:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think i messed with wrong terminal =) | 16:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9|work: the book he mentioned above i think | 16:02 |
| gabriel9|work | it will take some time to get it | 16:02 |
| gabriel9|work | 3rd country world :/ | 16:02 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9|work: buy the ebook | 16:03 |
| jonni | gabriel9|work: most of the people in out office that are doing qt4/5 shaders are using the above book as bibble. | 16:03 |
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| jonni | out=our | 16:04 |
| gabriel9|work | ok | 16:04 |
| gabriel9|work | checking price... | 16:04 |
| gabriel9|work | 45$ damn | 16:04 |
| gabriel9|work | :) | 16:04 |
| jonni | amazon delivers to finland with £24+4(postage). | 16:05 |
| pa | isnt gles 2.0 essentially gl 4.x? | 16:06 |
| jonni | with google you can always find a pdf of the same book. But I prefer paper. | 16:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | gabriel9|work: *khhhm* khhhhm* pirate it *khhhm* *khhhm* | 16:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | knowledge is free | 16:06 |
| pa | for reference paper >> pdf, except the grepping :) | 16:07 |
| gabriel9|work | yea, but i like to support dudes who write it | 16:07 |
| gabriel9|work | so i buying books now, even it is a pain to get them | 16:07 |
| gabriel9|work | the only thing when i support piracy is: when you don't have money, and you can't find book in any other way | 16:08 |
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| louis__ | Does anyone know the location of the default wallpapers on the N9? | 16:44 |
| azeem | louis__: dpkg -L content-wallpaper-files | 16:45 |
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| louis__ | azeem: Thanks. | 16:49 |
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| azeem | is there any recommended disassembler for harmattan binaries? | 17:07 |
| admiral0 | azeem: objdump | 17:15 |
| admiral0 | azeem: IDA Pro | 17:15 |
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| ladoga | i find it quite suprising how many processes N9 has running when idle | 17:19 |
| ladoga | 202..while my debian desktop has 83 | 17:19 |
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| ladoga | or well not running, but alive. or how should i say that? | 17:20 |
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| pa | ladoga, PR1.3? | 17:28 |
| pa | i noticed that during "idle" there are also more processes with >0.0% cpu in top | 17:29 |
| pa | now my n9 is 95% idle when idle | 17:29 |
| pa | before it was 97/98% | 17:29 |
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| ladoga | yes pr1.3 | 17:33 |
| louis__ | I would like to have fullsceen image for lockscreen in landscape mode, but N9 QTwaek is only supported for PR1.3, and my N950 runs PR1.2. What to do? | 17:35 |
| ladoga | those prestarted apps seem to hog most memory | 17:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the inception website is down for the moment | 17:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if any of you guys need it ASAP grab it from http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/itsnotabigtruck/Harmattan/armel/inception_0.2_armel.deb | 17:36 |
| ladoga | what is /usr/bin/fenix ? | 17:36 |
| admiral0 | fenix=mail | 17:36 |
| ladoga | fenix -prestart eats 200M | 17:37 |
| admiral0 | yes | 17:38 |
| admiral0 | how many accounts? | 17:38 |
| ladoga | big price for quicker startup time | 17:38 |
| ladoga | one account | 17:38 |
| admiral0 | :O | 17:38 |
| admiral0 | imap? | 17:38 |
| admiral0 | offline imap? | 17:39 |
| admiral0 | or pop? | 17:39 |
| ladoga | pop | 17:40 |
| admiral0 | hmm, maybe you've got too many messages stored | 17:40 |
| ladoga | 20 or so | 17:41 |
| ladoga | i don't think it matters | 17:41 |
| ladoga | it probably always takes that much | 17:41 |
| admiral0 | wow | 17:41 |
| admiral0 | then i have no idea | 17:42 |
| ladoga | forget:) | 17:42 |
| ladoga | was looking at the wrong column | 17:42 |
| admiral0 | -.- | 17:43 |
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| ladoga | or semi right one...what VSZ in top/ps even means? | 18:04 |
| ladoga | and how to get accurate per process memory info | 18:04 |
| ladoga | usage^ | 18:05 |
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| ladoga | so VSZ is virtual size | 18:11 |
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| ladoga | pa: according to top my n9 seems to be over 99% idle when idle...only sshd (0.1%) and top itself (1%) using the cpu actively. and some random processes 0.1% now and then | 18:17 |
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| pa | ladoga, PR1.3? | 18:28 |
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| ZogG_laptop | yesterday i had about 30% after 1d usage with always connected to internets | 18:45 |
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| pa | maybe i have to reflash | 18:49 |
| pa | i will try | 18:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: what's the problem? | 18:50 |
| pa | well, idle consumption at about 15mA | 18:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | maybe you need to optimize things and give a battery time to drain till almost 0 and than fully charge without disconnects | 18:50 |
| pa | only radio on | 18:50 |
| teleshoes | i idle at 2-4 mA on pr1.2 | 18:50 |
| pa | before (1.2) i was at 4mA | 18:50 |
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| pa | exactly | 18:51 |
| teleshoes | ys | 18:51 |
| teleshoes | youre scaring me | 18:51 |
| teleshoes | i wanna update | 18:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | right now it's says 12 mA on avg idle | 18:51 |
| teleshoes | thats nightmarish | 18:51 |
| teleshoes | 3x less offline battery life | 18:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | but it still longs at least 16-20 hours | 18:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | sometimes more | 18:51 |
| pa | teleshoes, indeeed | 18:52 |
| teleshoes | i took my n9 on a vacation, no electricity, for 3 days | 18:52 |
| pa | on pr1.2 it was great battery life | 18:53 |
| pa | * on battery life | 18:53 |
| teleshoes | idled the whole time, just in case someone needed to get in touch | 18:53 |
| teleshoes | 3 days | 18:53 |
| teleshoes | => 1 day | 18:53 |
| teleshoes | thats a pretty big fucking deal | 18:53 |
| pa | 3 days is not much | 18:53 |
| pa | idle all the time on 1.2 i was on 4-5 days | 18:54 |
| pa | <20% per day | 18:54 |
| teleshoes | i made a few calls | 18:54 |
| pa | one night was tipically -2% | 18:54 |
| teleshoes | whats the battery again? | 18:54 |
| pa | 2-3% | 18:54 |
| teleshoes | in mAh? | 18:54 |
| pa | 1450 i think | 18:54 |
| teleshoes | yea | 18:54 |
| teleshoes | should be two weeks | 18:55 |
| teleshoes | at 4mA | 18:55 |
| teleshoes | ZogG_laptop how do you feel battery life has changed for 1.3? | 18:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | teleshoes: i think it's better, but i can't say for sure | 18:57 |
| teleshoes | oh... | 18:57 |
| teleshoes | thx | 18:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | and you know it's one of the things that may differ not due version but flash | 18:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | like it works ok, and you flash and it worse | 18:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's like random i never got why? | 18:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | as it's illogical | 18:58 |
| pa | muahaha | 19:00 |
| pa | nokia: 926 million operating loss | 19:00 |
| pa | go go lumia | 19:00 |
| pa | 826, sorry | 19:01 |
| leinir | i'll repeat what i said on twitter earlier: Jolla is the biggest and most thorough restructuring Nokia's ever undergone ;) | 19:02 |
| pa | only 4 million lumias sold | 19:02 |
| faenil | only? | 19:02 |
| leinir | faenil: considering the marketing budget, yes, that is an only | 19:02 |
| pa | wasnt it 20 or 30 million SGS3? | 19:02 |
| pa | (already) | 19:03 |
| faenil | pa what kind of comparison is that | 19:03 |
| faenil | people buy all the shit android gives just because of its name | 19:03 |
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| pa | apparently windows is not a good name then ;) | 19:03 |
| pa | no offense | 19:03 |
| faenil | come on, you know what I mean :P | 19:04 |
| pa | well as a matter of fact android works pretty decently, lately | 19:04 |
| pa | interface wise is not great | 19:04 |
| pa | its laggish | 19:04 |
| faenil | I android wasn't from Google, it would have died long long time ago | 19:04 |
| faenil | exactly | 19:04 |
| pa | but sgs2 lasts way longer than my n9 | 19:04 |
| faenil | Android's UI is nothing comparing to WP's metro ui | 19:05 |
| faenil | and do we want to talk about social networks integrations? | 19:05 |
| faenil | that's another + 1000 for WP... | 19:05 |
| pa | i honestly dont like metro ui | 19:05 |
| faenil | it's just that people don't trust Windows... | 19:05 |
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| pa | and believe swipe is far better | 19:05 |
| faenil | and laggier | 19:05 |
| pa | in fact i would try to buy it, if i were google | 19:05 |
| pa | its dead anyway | 19:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i hate windows anyway. i would prefer iphone | 19:06 |
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| ZogG_laptop | just coz it's windows | 19:06 |
| * ZogG_laptop is fanatic | 19:06 | |
| faenil | exactly | 19:06 |
| faenil | you see? | 19:07 |
| faenil | that's why Lumia is struggling... | 19:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: but it's coz of history and there is basis there | 19:07 |
| faenil | people don't even want to try WP, and when they try it they think about BSODs | 19:07 |
| pa | faenil, i tried, i think metro ui sucks | 19:07 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, yeah | 19:07 |
| faenil | pa sure that's your taste ;) | 19:07 |
| faenil | no point in arguing about that :) | 19:07 |
| faenil | some people like it, some don't, as everything | 19:07 |
| pa | and what else does it offer me besides the ui? | 19:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: it doesn't matter why, but Nokia taking it over MeeGo is stupid. why to support struggling OS, when u have Os popular without promoton =) | 19:08 |
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| faenil | tight social network integration | 19:08 |
| pa | android offers me integration with every google service | 19:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: exactly wanted to ask, does it have BDOS? | 19:08 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, never had a single reboot/freeze | 19:08 |
| pa | i dont like tight social network integration. i dont want my facebook contacts ending in my phone book like in n9 | 19:08 |
| faenil | stable as hell since october | 19:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: let's say i never saw picture of any public screen with kernel panic =))) | 19:08 |
| faenil | december sorry | 19:08 |
| faenil | pa I only get contacts from gmail | 19:10 |
| faenil | and then let it add details from facebook, so that it joins them in the same contact | 19:10 |
| faenil | and I can write on walls | 19:10 |
| faenil | see news feeds | 19:10 |
| faenil | about singel persons | 19:10 |
| faenil | in one single click | 19:10 |
| faenil | without opening 10 thousand apps | 19:11 |
| faenil | and waiting for them to load and such | 19:11 |
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| pa | besides the fact you can do that with n9 too, i dont like it. i want my phone to be a phone, not something for some social freak | 19:11 |
| faenil | then buy a Nokia 3310 :) | 19:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | space invaders is the best | 19:13 |
| pa | android works pretty well. what i dont like is all the java part (which i understand, tho), the ui that is ok, but no more than that, and the not being a linux (but well, many wouldnt care) | 19:13 |
| faenil | in what is android better than wp? (just curious :) ) | 19:14 |
| pa | allowing more than 800x480? ;) | 19:15 |
| faenil | my opinion is: 1) it is WAAAY less responsive and smooth, and that's enough, don't need to go on :D | 19:15 |
| pa | or than one core? ;) | 19:15 |
| faenil | pa no I mean comparing two phones | 19:15 |
| faenil | ok core thing | 19:15 |
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| faenil | more? :) | 19:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | i never had lumia | 19:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | i tryed to request one on nokia-developers | 19:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | not gonna buy one for sure | 19:16 |
| pa | :D | 19:16 |
| pa | maybe i coudl do the same | 19:16 |
| pa | for free, i could consider it ;) | 19:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: android is not real linux but linux and you have terminal and options to hack in | 19:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | we are more geeks here | 19:17 |
| faenil | I think it all depends on what you want to use the phone for | 19:17 |
| faenil | Android is a good balance between harmattan and WP, I'd say | 19:17 |
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| faenil | I use WP as my main PHONE | 19:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | it doesn't matter what i use it, as it has more options i would like it more | 19:17 |
| faenil | and N950 as my "geek" phone | 19:17 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, it does matter | 19:17 |
| faenil | because it is frustrating when the UI answers tens of ms after you give the input | 19:18 |
| pa | i have never experience what you say on sgs2 | 19:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | i use n9 as main phone and now i have n950 and want to boot real linux on it | 19:18 |
| faenil | if I just need to see a little thing on a webpage or something | 19:18 |
| pa | experienced | 19:18 |
| faenil | I don't want to keep clicking on the browser bar 4-5 times | 19:18 |
| faenil | before it understands I'm trying to open that freaking bar :P | 19:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: on n9 it works fine | 19:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: and you need compare all the work was made on n9 and lumia | 19:19 |
| teleshoes | anyone else have touchscreen problems when usb is connected? | 19:19 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, oh come on, VKB is soo less responsive and precise comparing to WP's | 19:19 |
| faenil | it doesn't pop up at time | 19:19 |
| faenil | s... | 19:19 |
| faenil | and such... | 19:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | if n9 had this attention as lumia it would be way better from what we have | 19:19 |
| faenil | I hated that part of the N9.. | 19:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: it wokrs fine here and popups when needed. always | 19:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | no problem | 19:20 |
| faenil | ... | 19:20 |
| faenil | ok so I got all defective android and N9 units xD | 19:20 |
| faenil | I've been waiting for a smooth android since 1.6... | 19:21 |
| faenil | looks like quad-cores + 4.1 will reach that point... | 19:21 |
| faenil | (it only needed a quad-core? :D) | 19:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | how would n9 would work with quadro | 19:22 |
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| teleshoes | blahblahblah, lumia sucks | 19:22 |
| ladoga | can you manage files on WP over wifi? | 19:22 |
| faenil | teleshoes, :D | 19:22 |
| teleshoes | :) | 19:22 |
| ladoga | something like mounting sshfs in linux | 19:22 |
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| faenil | ladoga, you don't need to do that when using it as your "phone" | 19:23 |
| faenil | :) | 19:23 |
| teleshoes | only with 'solutions' | 19:23 |
| faenil | i.e. non-geek people don't need that | 19:23 |
| teleshoes | you mean, non-geek people dont know you CAN do that | 19:23 |
| faenil | exactly :) | 19:23 |
| teleshoes | no reason whatsoever that they SHOULDNT know, | 19:24 |
| teleshoes | or that they wouldnt want to if they did | 19:24 |
| ladoga | non geeks don't copy files to/from their phones? | 19:24 |
| teleshoes | actually ladoga | 19:24 |
| teleshoes | no | 19:24 |
| faenil | ladoga, they use what's given | 19:24 |
| teleshoes | they use the software on the phone | 19:24 |
| faenil | if it's skydrive or wifi, it's the same | 19:24 |
| faenil | just give me a way to put content on my phone :) | 19:24 |
| teleshoes | and are pleased with whatever miracles it does | 19:24 |
| faenil | exactly | 19:24 |
| ladoga | i open file browser on my desktop and drag&drop stuff to my phone | 19:25 |
| teleshoes | i use rsync | 19:25 |
| teleshoes | id die without it | 19:25 |
| faenil | :) eh, rsync <3 | 19:25 |
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| teleshoes | sshfs is a bit overkill | 19:26 |
| ladoga | it's just nice that i don't have to fetch the phone...make bluetooth connection or attach cables for it | 19:26 |
| teleshoes | yea | 19:26 |
| teleshoes | i dont even pick it up to answer calls anymore | 19:26 |
| ladoga | :) | 19:26 |
| teleshoes | it rings, i vnc in, push answer, and shout | 19:27 |
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| faenil | lol | 19:27 |
| ladoga | you're funny | 19:27 |
| teleshoes | sometimes i leave it upstairs by mistake and dont even realize it til i go to leave | 19:27 |
| teleshoes | because ive been using it for hours | 19:28 |
| teleshoes | it really is nice | 19:28 |
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| teleshoes | i seriously doubt i could setup anything near as sweet as ive got with a 'solution' instead of a tool chain like ssh and vnc | 19:28 |
| ladoga | but yes..i think wp ui (atleast on l800) is smoother. less stuttering | 19:28 |
| ladoga | tho it lacks many things that harmattan has | 19:29 |
| teleshoes | like a real OS | 19:29 |
| teleshoes | or any cool features whatsoever | 19:29 |
| teleshoes | or any ram | 19:29 |
| faenil | teleshoes, you need RAM if you need it. | 19:30 |
| faenil | you don't need ram just to have it... | 19:30 |
| faenil | :) | 19:30 |
| teleshoes | firefox | 19:30 |
| teleshoes | recording videos | 19:30 |
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| faenil | yeah | 19:30 |
| faenil | anything non working in WP? | 19:30 |
| teleshoes | ssh | 19:31 |
| teleshoes | ? | 19:31 |
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| faenil | :D come on...please stop talking about such things, I was talking about a non-geek phone...a mass consumer phone | 19:31 |
| faenil | which is Lumia's target | 19:31 |
| teleshoes | idiots will buy whatever the wealthiest corporations tell them to | 19:31 |
| Ariadeno | the n950 is a far more polished product | 19:31 |
| teleshoes | the best phone | 19:31 |
| Ariadeno | oops | 19:31 |
| teleshoes | is the one with the best advertising | 19:32 |
| teleshoes | period | 19:32 |
| Ariadeno | i meant n9 | 19:32 |
| teleshoes | ehhh | 19:32 |
| teleshoes | sorry | 19:32 |
| teleshoes | if theres one thing the n9 doesnt have | 19:32 |
| teleshoes | its polish | 19:32 |
| faenil | teleshoes, right, that's what I said about android :) | 19:32 |
| Ariadeno | the n950 feels unfinished | 19:32 |
| teleshoes | ariadeno | 19:32 |
| teleshoes | were talking lumia vs n9 | 19:32 |
| teleshoes | not n950 vs n9 | 19:32 |
| Ariadeno | i see | 19:32 |
| faenil | teleshoes, I was just saying what people SHOULD buy imho...for their NON-GEEK needs. In that case, WP is the best OS, imho | 19:32 |
| Ariadeno | my apologies | 19:33 |
| teleshoes | and faenil, i disagree | 19:33 |
| ladoga | how to switch between running apps in WP..I have tried it only briefly | 19:33 |
| faenil | keep back button pressed | 19:33 |
| Ariadeno | i tought zogg was mentioning the n950 but whatever | 19:33 |
| faenil | (I have never needed to switch between apps, on the Lumia) | 19:33 |
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| teleshoes | as far as technical capabilities, useful features, and practical usability go, the lumia is almost strictly worse than the n9 | 19:34 |
| teleshoes | what it has is a mountain of advertising dollars | 19:35 |
| teleshoes | and a marketing campaign | 19:35 |
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| Ariadeno | and a huge phone company backing up | 19:35 |
| teleshoes | and the warm fluffy feeling people get from words like MicroSoft and Proprietary | 19:35 |
| teleshoes | yes | 19:35 |
| teleshoes | just so | 19:35 |
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| faenil | teleshoes, N9's smoothnees is nowhere near WP's | 19:35 |
| ladoga | it's not bad. just not for me..but for average joe I'm sure WP is fine | 19:35 |
| faenil | that's what N9 doesn't have | 19:36 |
| faenil | and the reason I'm only using N950 as dev phone | 19:36 |
| teleshoes | you mean the animations | 19:36 |
| ladoga | faenil: true | 19:36 |
| teleshoes | ? | 19:36 |
| faenil | teleshoes, I mean smoothness, in everything | 19:36 |
| teleshoes | speed, then? | 19:36 |
| faenil | you never have to wait | 19:36 |
| faenil | speed + animations | 19:36 |
| faenil | fixed 60fps | 19:36 |
| faenil | not a lag even in heavy webpages | 19:36 |
| ladoga | but they are so different one can't compare..no real multitasking etc. | 19:36 |
| faenil | ladoga, sure | 19:36 |
| faenil | difference choices | 19:37 |
| faenil | different* | 19:37 |
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| faenil | if only Jolla could bring us a smooth phone with linux underneath :D | 19:37 |
| faenil | there's no such thing afaik up to now :D | 19:37 |
| ladoga | WP is fine, it's just not fine for Nokia | 19:37 |
| teleshoes | i dont think i understand the concept youre calling smoothness | 19:37 |
| teleshoes | startup lag for apps? | 19:38 |
| faenil | teleshoes, scrolling lists without lag | 19:38 |
| ladoga | extremely stupid to lose control of own OS development | 19:38 |
| xipp2 | guys anyone is using web2sms with betamax ? | 19:38 |
| faenil | scrolling webpages without lag | 19:38 |
| teleshoes | capacitive touchscreen responsiveness? | 19:38 |
| Ariadeno | IMO Nokia should have gone Android if they would want to make profit | 19:38 |
| teleshoes | lag | 19:38 |
| teleshoes | ok | 19:38 |
| faenil | going from a screen to another without lag | 19:38 |
| teleshoes | got it | 19:38 |
| faenil | yes :) | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | No tearing, either! | 19:38 |
| faenil | GeneralAntilles, :D | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, WP sucks compared to my N950. | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lag or no. | 19:38 |
| faenil | teleshoes, and, generally speaking, responsiveness of the UI | 19:39 |
| ladoga | just today Elops answered question about Nokia future that they wait for WP8 to save them | 19:39 |
| faenil | I never had to touch a button twice on WP.. | 19:39 |
| faenil | can't say the same for the N9/N950, unfortunately .( | 19:39 |
| Ariadeno | can't say the same for WP either | 19:39 |
| ladoga | first wait lumia, then wait WP8...they have no control over features or timetables themselves | 19:39 |
| faenil | GeneralAntilles, oh please don't join at this point :) we're talking about non-geek phones :D | 19:39 |
| faenil | ladoga, xD | 19:39 |
| Ariadeno | if there's one thing that can save Nokia it's Android | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why would we talk about non-geek phones? | 19:39 |
| ladoga | they simply can not innovate at all | 19:39 |
| faenil | GeneralAntilles, don't know, it popped out :D | 19:40 |
| teleshoes | you know, thats a real good question | 19:40 |
| ladoga | MS does it, or doesn't. Nokia is at their mercy | 19:40 |
| faenil | GeneralAntilles, oh, because pa talked about Lumia's sales :) | 19:40 |
| teleshoes | im curious to know if theres objective evidence of the claim that lumia starts up apps faster vs n9, or that the browser loads pages faster | 19:41 |
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| teleshoes | not because im considering buying one, but because the hardware is basically the same with less ram as i understand it | 19:42 |
| xipp2 | lumia has a faster cpu | 19:42 |
| teleshoes | oh | 19:42 |
| teleshoes | thanks xipp2 | 19:42 |
| teleshoes | nevermind | 19:42 |
| teleshoes | this conversation is a waste of time | 19:42 |
| teleshoes | sorry about that | 19:42 |
| xipp2 | i forgive you son | 19:42 |
| Ariadeno | honestly, I have to say that MS did a great job to encourage developers to make apps for WP8 but that doesn't cahnge the fact that WP is utter garbage | 19:43 |
| faenil | teleshoes, lol :D | 19:43 |
| teleshoes | i just didnt know ;) | 19:43 |
| ladoga | Ariadeno: no android. I wan't a phone with real linux :) | 19:43 |
| faenil | teleshoes, try with Omnia 7 then, do you think it will change things? | 19:43 |
| faenil | that one has got old-gen 1ghz cpu | 19:43 |
| teleshoes | 1.4! | 19:44 |
| faenil | Lumia800 has 1.4 | 19:44 |
| faenil | most WP phones don't :) | 19:44 |
| teleshoes | 900? | 19:44 |
| xipp2 | btw the clock is faster | 19:44 |
| faenil | teleshoes, same hw | 19:44 |
| teleshoes | oh | 19:44 |
| teleshoes | k | 19:44 |
| xipp2 | this doesnt mean the cpu is faster | 19:44 |
| xipp2 | anyway i suspect it is | 19:44 |
| teleshoes | true | 19:44 |
| teleshoes | but it probably is | 19:44 |
| faenil | xipp2, yeah | 19:44 |
| teleshoes | with that high a clock rate | 19:44 |
| xipp2 | btw windows phone 7 is quite snappy yep | 19:45 |
| faenil | xipp2, thanks man, I feel alone in here XD | 19:45 |
| petteri | maybe continue the wp conversation somewhere else? | 19:45 |
| xipp2 | anyway i wouldnt buy a phone with the windows logo as home | 19:45 |
| faenil | right let's stop the OT :) | 19:45 |
| teleshoes | faenil youd feel less alone, i think | 19:45 |
| ladoga | N9 is almost perfect for me...just little with lighter apps/ui or more oopmh it would be perfect | 19:45 |
| ladoga | but it's very close | 19:45 |
| teleshoes | if the channel werent called harmattan | 19:46 |
| faenil | teleshoes, good point, yeah :D | 19:46 |
| faenil | teleshoes, but it's not fun if all people agree :D | 19:46 |
| teleshoes | :) | 19:46 |
| teleshoes | n9 is almost perfect for me | 19:46 |
| Ariadeno | faenil: You know that trojans written for windows wouldn't work on linux don't you? | 19:46 |
| faenil | Ariadeno, what do you want to say? :) | 19:46 |
| teleshoes | except the battery, the keyboard, the microsd ... | 19:47 |
| teleshoes | and nearly everything else | 19:47 |
| faenil | anyway yeah, I have a bachelor in CS, can understand that, thanks to god XD | 19:47 |
| Ariadeno | faenil you know exactly what I meant ^^ | 19:47 |
| faenil | Ariadeno, :P | 19:47 |
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| faenil | now talking about harmattan then, my main problems with N9 were | 19:48 |
| faenil | 1) vkb | 19:48 |
| faenil | 2) sluggishness of the UI | 19:48 |
| faenil | buttons on the vkb are too small imho | 19:48 |
| teleshoes | easy to change | 19:49 |
| teleshoes | one liner | 19:49 |
| faenil | and the intelligent keyboard isn't intelligent enough :) | 19:49 |
| teleshoes | swype? | 19:49 |
| teleshoes | try it | 19:49 |
| faenil | teleshoes, sure, you can change the graphics | 19:49 |
| faenil | teleshoes, oh I love swype :D | 19:49 |
| teleshoes | you should use it on the n9 | 19:49 |
| teleshoes | works great | 19:49 |
| teleshoes | i hate it | 19:49 |
| faenil | teleshoes, but the dicts didn't know really EASY words of the italian dictionary :) | 19:49 |
| faenil | teleshoes, I used it on the n9 ofc :D | 19:49 |
| teleshoes | i do believe you can replace them | 19:49 |
| teleshoes | whats ofc mean? | 19:50 |
| faenil | teleshoes, of course | 19:50 |
| teleshoes | thanks | 19:50 |
| faenil | np | 19:50 |
| ladoga | hey, is there a way to answer the phone from command line in harmattan? | 19:50 |
| ladoga | bonus points from enabling the speaker | 19:50 |
| teleshoes | did you try the dbus cmd from maemo? | 19:50 |
| teleshoes | that might work still | 19:50 |
| ladoga | i'd like to try shouting method, but without vnc:) | 19:51 |
| teleshoes | i should really like to do that | 19:51 |
| teleshoes | yea | 19:51 |
| teleshoes | i was just thinking about that | 19:51 |
| teleshoes | vnc is easy and really fast to do | 19:51 |
| teleshoes | i have three or four kb shortcuts | 19:51 |
| teleshoes | four | 19:51 |
| teleshoes | landscape/portrait, and highres/lowres | 19:51 |
| ladoga | yes, i've used it. I just usually have command line open on my desktop | 19:52 |
| teleshoes | to answer the phone, i do landscape, lowres, click | 19:52 |
| ladoga | so thought that would be faster for me | 19:52 |
| teleshoes | yep me too | 19:52 |
| teleshoes | dunno why i havent bothered with it | 19:52 |
| teleshoes | you know what i DID get working? | 19:52 |
| teleshoes | rotating the sound around to my computer | 19:52 |
| teleshoes | over ssh | 19:52 |
| teleshoes | with gstreamer | 19:52 |
| teleshoes | unfortunately, i couldnt route the microphone to the n9 | 19:53 |
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| teleshoes | maybe someone else has done this? | 19:53 |
| teleshoes | but not me | 19:53 |
| teleshoes | if i could solve that, i could just make/receive calls without getting off my ass | 19:53 |
| teleshoes | or shouting myself hoarse | 19:53 |
| ladoga | would be nice | 19:54 |
| teleshoes | i wish people would stop talking about jolla | 19:56 |
| teleshoes | meego is a great operating system, and in all probability, it will one day see decent hardware | 19:57 |
| teleshoes | jolla wants to make a worse phone than the n9, and simply market it succesfully | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | What? | 19:57 |
| faenil | worse? why? | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | teleshoes, what are you smoking? | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | MeeGo's dead and gone without Jolla. | 19:57 |
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| teleshoes | harmattan had a nokia endorsed open mode | 19:58 |
| Ariadeno | i have to agree with teleshoes on that | 19:58 |
| teleshoes | and with the n950 specifically targeted the linux/geek/developer crowd | 19:58 |
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| faenil | teleshoes, why should it be worse.. | 19:59 |
| teleshoes | jolla has made it clear that they have no intention of supporting even the modest amount of openness that harmattan had | 19:59 |
| Ariadeno | now according to the news recently, the anticipated Jolla phone turns out to be a closed-source project | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ariadeno, the news got it wrong. | 19:59 |
| teleshoes | uh, of course its gonna be closed source | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ariadeno, they mistranslated from English to Finnish. | 20:00 |
| teleshoes | wait | 20:00 |
| teleshoes | what? | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/364288/20120718/jolla-mobile-launch-app-store-angry-birds.htm | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | teleshoes, see the @JollaMobile feed. | 20:00 |
| faenil | what did you guys smoke? :D | 20:00 |
| faenil | Jolla is going to be as open as possible... | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the update at the bottom of that story. | 20:00 |
| teleshoes | "Jolla Mobile has been in touch to clarify the company's commitment to a developer version of the MeeGo smartphone. " | 20:00 |
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| faenil | it's a developer mode, not version | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://twitter.com/JollaMobile/status/225970321910546434 | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://twitter.com/JollaMobile/status/225969118753480704 | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just goes to show: Don't trust the press. | 20:01 |
| teleshoes | thanks, you are the very model of a modern | 20:02 |
| teleshoes | ive just had my heart broken so many times | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, as we really don't have much to work with, we can only draw so many conclusions | 20:02 |
| Ariadeno | hell yea that clarifies everything | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | However, really, it's based on the Mer core | 20:02 |
| teleshoes | if JollaOS was straight meego, id just die | 20:02 |
| teleshoes | oh thats fucking AWESOME | 20:03 |
| teleshoes | sorry | 20:03 |
| teleshoes | thats SO COOL | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think you can extrapolate some pretty good things based on who's involved. :) | 20:03 |
| teleshoes | SOOOOO COOOOL | 20:03 |
| teleshoes | WHOS INVOLVED? | 20:03 |
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| faenil | teleshoes, nice people :D | 20:03 |
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| teleshoes | my information has not been coming from very good sources, it turns out | 20:03 |
| teleshoes | twitter is a non-anonymous service right? | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | teleshoes, join #jollamobile | 20:04 |
| faenil | teleshoes -> Sage_, Stskeeps, jussi, Aard... | 20:04 |
| teleshoes | does someone know if i can get rss feeds of twitter | 20:04 |
| teleshoes | oh SNAPPPPP | 20:04 |
| teleshoes | jussi | 20:04 |
| teleshoes | im so excited | 20:04 |
| ladoga | heh...i just figured i can record my laptop's mic by cat /dev/dsp > file | 20:05 |
| teleshoes | even freakier than that | 20:05 |
| teleshoes | you can take a speaker wire | 20:05 |
| ladoga | then play it with cat file > /dev/dsp | 20:05 |
| teleshoes | and vibrate aluminum foil | 20:05 |
| Ariadeno | hahah | 20:05 |
| teleshoes | much the same principle | 20:05 |
| faenil | ladoga, holy crap :D | 20:05 |
| teleshoes | the process for making vinyl records is pretty much the same as the process for playing sounds with them | 20:06 |
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| teleshoes | neither of which really requires electricity or magic | 20:06 |
| teleshoes | => analog signal processing is cool and interesting | 20:07 |
| ladoga | haha | 20:09 |
| ladoga | cat /dev/mem > /dev/dsp | 20:09 |
| ladoga | listen to RAM | 20:09 |
| teleshoes | hahahha | 20:09 |
| ladoga | try it..it's freaky | 20:10 |
| admiral0 | dudes, i think i have faulty RAM on my N9 | 20:10 |
| teleshoes | i think not | 20:10 |
| teleshoes | o.0 | 20:10 |
| faenil | hahahaha | 20:10 |
| teleshoes | admiral0 oh?! | 20:10 |
| admiral0 | T.T | 20:10 |
| admiral0 | too many crashes | 20:10 |
| admiral0 | random crashes | 20:10 |
| teleshoes | you dont oc, do you? | 20:10 |
| admiral0 | nope | 20:11 |
| admiral0 | i live with this.... | 20:11 |
| admiral0 | have to go to nokia care | 20:11 |
| teleshoes | where they will confiscate it and give you a lumia 900 | 20:12 |
| admiral0 | but i'm worried i'll get a shitty lumia | 20:12 |
| teleshoes | yea | 20:12 |
| teleshoes | dont do it, bro | 20:12 |
| faenil | xD | 20:12 |
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| teleshoes | why ram? | 20:12 |
| admiral0 | is there a memtest for the n9? | 20:12 |
| teleshoes | i mean, why do you suspect ram? | 20:12 |
| admiral0 | because there is NO explanation | 20:12 |
| admiral0 | never7 | 20:12 |
| admiral0 | s/r7/r/ | 20:12 |
| infobot | admiral0 meant: never | 20:12 |
| Ariadeno | ohh shit there is this lumia subject again | 20:12 |
| ladoga | memtest would be nice | 20:13 |
| admiral0 | T.T | 20:13 |
| ladoga | :( no /dev/dsp or /dev/audio in N9 | 20:14 |
| teleshoes | hahahahaha | 20:14 |
| teleshoes | no | 20:14 |
| teleshoes | theres not | 20:14 |
| admiral0 | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/gutsy/man1/memtest.1.html | 20:14 |
| admiral0 | hmm | 20:14 |
| admiral0 | let's give it a tryù | 20:14 |
| ladoga | http://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/memtester | 20:17 |
| admiral0 | i was compiling it | 20:18 |
| ladoga | too | 20:21 |
| ladoga | and done, now trying to figure how to use it | 20:21 |
| teleshoes | the arm binary will probably just work | 20:22 |
| ladoga | compiles and works in scratchbox atleast | 20:22 |
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| Necrosporus | I want a GNU/Linux based pocket device with built-in GPRS/EDGE access and full-functional and usable console | 20:25 |
| teleshoes | oh god | 20:25 |
| teleshoes | dont talk like that | 20:25 |
| admiral0 | lol | 20:26 |
| Necrosporus | What's better, to buy N9 while it's still available or wait for Tizen, Jolla or something? | 20:26 |
| teleshoes | Necrosporus, this is what we ALL want | 20:26 |
| admiral0 | openmoko | 20:26 |
| admiral0 | XD | 20:26 |
| Necrosporus | It's dead :( | 20:26 |
| teleshoes | openmoko is dead | 20:26 |
| teleshoes | yea | 20:26 |
| teleshoes | Necrosporus | 20:26 |
| teleshoes | i promise you, you will love the n9 | 20:26 |
| ladoga | we do:) | 20:26 |
| teleshoes | it has a closed ux | 20:26 |
| teleshoes | and aegis | 20:26 |
| teleshoes | but you can safely ignore them | 20:26 |
| Necrosporus | teleshoes, I have tried it, it's overall fine, but lack hardware keyboard | 20:27 |
| teleshoes | yep | 20:27 |
| Necrosporus | Console is not very usable | 20:27 |
| teleshoes | agreed | 20:27 |
| teleshoes | the worst things | 20:27 |
| teleshoes | in decreasing awfulness: | 20:27 |
| teleshoes | 1) no hw kb | 20:27 |
| teleshoes | 2) no removable battery | 20:27 |
| teleshoes | 3) no external storage | 20:27 |
| teleshoes | everything else is perfect | 20:27 |
| Necrosporus | 2) No free drivers for SGX | 20:27 |
| ladoga | 2) you just lack skill | 20:27 |
| teleshoes | that too | 20:27 |
| teleshoes | ladoga | 20:28 |
| teleshoes | on my n900 | 20:28 |
| teleshoes | i had a bay of batteries | 20:28 |
| Necrosporus | 4) microSIM | 20:28 |
| ladoga | oh | 20:28 |
| teleshoes | microsim, big deal | 20:28 |
| ladoga | yes. true | 20:28 |
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| Necrosporus | 5) not removable battery | 20:28 |
| teleshoes | 2) == 5) | 20:28 |
| teleshoes | oh, i see what you mean | 20:28 |
| Necrosporus | I think the worst is closeness of some parts | 20:28 |
| teleshoes | im inclined to agree, | 20:29 |
| teleshoes | except that the no keyboard is so much worse | 20:29 |
| Necrosporus | Maybe | 20:29 |
| ladoga | no hw keyboard doesn't really bother me | 20:29 |
| Necrosporus | Well, it would be tolerable if it was fine otherwise | 20:29 |
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| Necrosporus | So I wonder should I buy an N9 or there's upcoming GNU/Linux device which has open UI and doesn't require proprietary graphic drivers? | 20:30 |
| teleshoes | haha | 20:30 |
| ladoga | at home i use full sized keyboard and ssh anyway (in the phones console) | 20:30 |
| teleshoes | there are not going to be any such devices | 20:30 |
| teleshoes | for a dozen years | 20:30 |
| teleshoes | if you want a gpl v3 phone | 20:30 |
| teleshoes | bottom up | 20:30 |
| teleshoes | openmoko is your best bet | 20:30 |
| ladoga | and fingerterm is ok with irssi and occasional CLI use when on the run | 20:30 |
| Necrosporus | It's dead | 20:31 |
| teleshoes | yes | 20:31 |
| teleshoes | see what i mean? | 20:31 |
| Necrosporus | I want something like OpenMoko, but alive | 20:31 |
| teleshoes | jollamobile is going to be much much more open than harmattan | 20:31 |
| teleshoes | it turns out | 20:31 |
| ladoga | does their first model have hw keyboard? | 20:31 |
| petteri | Necrosporus: are you trollng here? | 20:31 |
| Necrosporus | I hope it will produce something | 20:31 |
| Necrosporus | No | 20:31 |
| louisdk | Nice. Trying to sync between N9 and N950 over bluetooth which is failing. | 20:32 |
| petteri | saw that you already had N9 | 20:32 |
| petteri | from the log | 20:32 |
| teleshoes | oh snaaap | 20:32 |
| Necrosporus | I owned N9, yes | 20:32 |
| petteri | and all the same questions also? | 20:32 |
| teleshoes | caught YOU | 20:32 |
| admiral0 | triggered a reboot | 20:32 |
| teleshoes | heh | 20:32 |
| teleshoes | just running memtest? | 20:32 |
| admiral0 | yes | 20:32 |
| teleshoes | openmode? | 20:32 |
| Necrosporus | petteri, my N9 have had defective screen | 20:32 |
| admiral0 | no | 20:32 |
| Necrosporus | So I refunded money | 20:32 |
| ladoga | ls | 20:33 |
| ladoga | ops | 20:33 |
| Necrosporus | I wonder should I buy N9 again from other supplier or wait for other device which would be better | 20:33 |
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| Necrosporus | for example Tizen or Jolla | 20:33 |
| teleshoes | im going to go with !tizen | 20:33 |
| teleshoes | jolla or bust | 20:33 |
| petteri | Necrosporus: ok, i guess with phones you can always wait for the next one | 20:33 |
| teleshoes | the n9 is the best phone | 20:34 |
| teleshoes | that actually exists | 20:34 |
| teleshoes | n950 is probably better | 20:34 |
| teleshoes | but everyone says NOOOO | 20:34 |
| ladoga | admiral what argument you used for amount of memory in memtester? | 20:34 |
| teleshoes | and ive never even held one | 20:34 |
| * dm8tbr just bought a white-unicorn today here in .fi at gigantti for 319€ | 20:34 | |
| beford | noo | 20:34 |
| Necrosporus | But what if new devices would be worse than N9 and it would be out of stock when I see that | 20:34 |
| ladoga | admiral0: I'm running it on n9 right now | 20:34 |
| teleshoes | out of stock? | 20:34 |
| teleshoes | stop worrying | 20:34 |
| teleshoes | n9 will be obtainable | 20:34 |
| teleshoes | you can still buy an n900 | 20:34 |
| teleshoes | for godsake | 20:35 |
| dm8tbr | teleshoes: having used both, the N950 antennas suck, but the keyboard rocks. | 20:35 |
| admiral0 | ladoga: 1G | 20:35 |
| admiral0 | :D | 20:35 |
| teleshoes | yea thats what i hear | 20:35 |
| teleshoes | antenna trouble.. | 20:35 |
| teleshoes | the worst thing a phone can have | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | N900 keyboard is better than N950 | 20:35 |
| teleshoes | i get literally nauseated and dizzy | 20:35 |
| teleshoes | thinking about the n950 | 20:35 |
| Shaan7 | GeneralAntilles: +1 | 20:35 |
| teleshoes | orly? | 20:35 |
| teleshoes | n900 keyboard kinda sucked | 20:35 |
| teleshoes | n950 has more keys | 20:35 |
| teleshoes | right? | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | N900 keyboard was actually tactile, though. | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N950's keys are all flat and shitty | 20:36 |
| teleshoes | oh i see | 20:36 |
| teleshoes | this is flat | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes it a PITA to type on. | 20:36 |
| ladoga | admiral0: maybe too much? | 20:36 |
| Necrosporus | teleshoes, maybe I should buy N900, yes... but it's only 256 MiB of memory, which is extremely low for modern GNU/Linux, which require at lest 2G | 20:36 |
| teleshoes | hadnt thought of that | 20:36 |
| admiral0 | it allocated 880 | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, it's nice having a HW keyboard | 20:36 |
| teleshoes | maemo5 doesnt require that much | 20:36 |
| teleshoes | n900 is arguably better than the n9 | 20:37 |
| teleshoes | its more open | 20:37 |
| teleshoes | but slow as hell | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | but the N900 keyboard is better. | 20:37 |
| teleshoes | with a kb | 20:37 |
| Necrosporus | Slow | 20:37 |
| teleshoes | and a microsd | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Harmattan is so tasty, though. | 20:37 |
| teleshoes | its not so slow really | 20:37 |
| admiral0 | i want a n900 with n9's hardware | 20:37 |
| Necrosporus | teleshoes, it's what I'm talking about... slow | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Swipe to the left, swipe to the right. . . . | 20:37 |
| admiral0 | CPU GPU and so on | 20:37 |
| Necrosporus | admiral0, I want N900 with Mali CPU and 2GiB ram | 20:37 |
| teleshoes | i want an n9, with a keyboard | 20:37 |
| louisdk | admiral0: N950 <3 | 20:37 |
| Necrosporus | * GPU | 20:37 |
| admiral0 | louisdk: i wish i had one | 20:38 |
| ladoga | memtester runs fine here so far | 20:38 |
| teleshoes | not as much as i do | 20:38 |
| admiral0 | lol | 20:38 |
| admiral0 | allocating 600Mb=reboot | 20:38 |
| Necrosporus | I want something like N900, but using GPU which has open source driver and having at least one GiB but better 2 or more of memory | 20:38 |
| ladoga | also my phone hasn't crashed once since i bought it | 20:38 |
| ladoga | some apps have though..but nothing that killall wouldn't cure | 20:38 |
| ladoga | no segfaults or stuff like that | 20:39 |
| ladoga | so if you have random crashes then something is surely wrong | 20:39 |
| admiral0 | allocating 500=kaboom | 20:41 |
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| ladoga | 900mb 3000 loops ok | 20:43 |
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| ladoga | admiral0: time to use warranty | 20:50 |
| admiral0 | agree | 20:52 |
| teleshoes | admiral0 | 20:53 |
| teleshoes | this is so sad | 20:53 |
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| admiral0 | yea | 20:53 |
| teleshoes | im sorry for your loss | 20:53 |
| admiral0 | T.T | 20:54 |
| teleshoes | and im sorrier still for lpsmagic | 20:54 |
| admiral0 | i've lived with this since i got it | 20:54 |
| admiral0 | if they offer me to change to another phone i ask for a refund | 20:55 |
| admiral0 | u.u | 20:55 |
| admiral0 | NO error in syslog | 20:55 |
| admiral0 | just plain reboot | 20:55 |
| admiral0 | talking of lpsmagic | 20:56 |
| admiral0 | github time | 20:56 |
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| admiral0 | teleshoes: https://github.com/admiral0/lpsmagic | 21:03 |
| teleshoes | forked and cloned | 21:03 |
| teleshoes | merci, admiral0 | 21:04 |
| admiral0 | :) | 21:04 |
| admiral0 | dammit | 21:06 |
| qwazix | has anyone tried this with the N9/50? http://thenokiareview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Nokia-Capacitive-Stylus-SU-39-Nokias-Universal-Stylus.jpg | 21:06 |
| teleshoes | ? | 21:06 |
| admiral0 | my N9 | 21:06 |
| admiral0 | :( | 21:06 |
| teleshoes | aww | 21:06 |
| japh | if you want n950 someone upped on on ebay. :p | 21:08 |
| japh | one | 21:08 |
| teleshoes | THANKS | 21:08 |
| japh | np | 21:08 |
| teleshoes | link?? | 21:08 |
| teleshoes | cant find! | 21:09 |
| teleshoes | gone?! | 21:09 |
| japh | http://item.mobileweb.ebay.fr/viewitem?itemId=261062433504 | 21:09 |
| japh | not afaics | 21:09 |
| teleshoes | 2000 euro | 21:09 |
| teleshoes | bit stepp | 21:09 |
| teleshoes | *steep | 21:10 |
| japh | no shit :p | 21:10 |
| teleshoes | i woulda done 1000 | 21:10 |
| teleshoes | twice the price of an n9 | 21:10 |
| arcean | qwazix: regarding N950 and FCam | 21:10 |
| japh | you would? :) | 21:10 |
| teleshoes | yes | 21:10 |
| arcean | qwazix: values in FCam/Lens.h are for N9 not for N950 | 21:10 |
| ArkanoiD- | a, again | 21:10 |
| arcean | so I'm tunning them :) | 21:10 |
| ArkanoiD- | prices are constantly rising | 21:11 |
| ArkanoiD- | first one was $600 | 21:11 |
| ArkanoiD- | second one was eur 1200 | 21:11 |
| teleshoes | heh, exponential | 21:11 |
| japh | I've been considering exchanging n950 for a neo geo | 21:11 |
| arcean | which makes captured images even more sharper | 21:11 |
| japh | seems I can get two neogeos, or three | 21:11 |
| japh | or a dozen | 21:11 |
| qwazix | arcean, wow that looks interesting | 21:11 |
| teleshoes | ...! | 21:11 |
| teleshoes | ill give you three | 21:11 |
| qwazix | by the way I have to correct the link to the pic @tmo | 21:12 |
| teleshoes | heh, i like neogeos as a unit of currency | 21:12 |
| ArkanoiD- | it was not sold for 1200 eur, the seller _asked_ 1200 | 21:12 |
| teleshoes | what was it sold for? | 21:12 |
| ArkanoiD- | it makes some difference | 21:12 |
| ArkanoiD- | don't know, probably off ebay | 21:12 |
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| louisdk | Sync N9 -> N950 keeps failing! :( | 21:22 |
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| ladoga | here n9 was 299€ for a while | 21:32 |
| ladoga | now sold out everywhere | 21:32 |
| ladoga | and no new ones coming, even if people are actively asking for them:( | 21:33 |
| ladoga | smart move nokia | 21:34 |
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| heymaster-laptop | http://paste.lisp.org/display/130598 | 22:44 |
| heymaster-laptop | anybody can help me with memory mannagment | 22:44 |
| heymaster-laptop | QStandardItem *item = new QStandardItem() ; | 22:44 |
| heymaster-laptop | how to delete them ? | 22:44 |
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| ieatlint | whoever gets the m_listmodel needs to delete them | 22:55 |
| ieatlint | since you're appending the pointer, and deleting it there would cause the items in the m_listmodel to be erased | 22:55 |
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| ieatlint | if the RoleItemModel::appendRow() method is copying the QStandardItem instead of storing the pointer, then you shouldn't be using a pointer in your function at all | 22:57 |
| heymaster-laptop | ieatlint: thanks | 22:57 |
| heymaster-laptop | ieatlint: that's the problem what I get error if using stack allocation | 22:58 |
| heymaster-laptop | So now I'm using new operator | 22:58 |
| heymaster-laptop | ieatlint: so i need only to delete my model and that's all ? | 22:59 |
| ieatlint | your model needs to delete the items in it | 23:01 |
| ieatlint | so its deconstructor should go through the rows it has and delete each one | 23:01 |
| heymaster-laptop | I coped code from this page: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Using_QStandardItemModel_in_QML | 23:02 |
| heymaster-laptop | And i don't see any destructor in RoleItemModel | 23:02 |
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| ieatlint | uh, yeah, that's a memory leak | 23:04 |
| ieatlint | it'll run fine though :P | 23:04 |
| heymaster-laptop | so how to fix it ? | 23:05 |
| heymaster-laptop | :) | 23:05 |
| ieatlint | is it a QList in RoleItemModel? | 23:05 |
| ieatlint | holding a QStandardItem* | 23:06 |
| ieatlint | ? | 23:06 |
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| heymaster-laptop | ieatlint: code don't have any holding value. it just subclass QStandartItem. So maybe there's no memory leak ? | 23:07 |
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| heymaster-laptop | at least i don't see :) | 23:08 |
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| ieatlint | oooh, i'm misunderstanding how this is supposed to be handled | 23:09 |
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| ieatlint | in fact, your class should keep a copy of the m_listmodel and in its deconstructor delete the data | 23:09 |
| ieatlint | RoleItemModel is intended to be a helper class to give different access to the same data | 23:10 |
| heymaster-laptop | ieatlint: yes | 23:10 |
| heymaster-laptop | ieatlint: thanks :) | 23:10 |
| ieatlint | that's more complicated than just subclassing QAbstractListModel in my opinion | 23:10 |
| heymaster-laptop | ieatlint: but you need to write less code in this way .. :) | 23:11 |
| ieatlint | i don't like how that does it.. as it runs the risk of deleting the data while RoleItemModel still is being used | 23:11 |
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| heymaster-laptop | ieatlint: just using official examples :) | 23:11 |
| ieatlint | also, RoleItemModel doesn't get a parent in that example | 23:12 |
| ieatlint | "official" | 23:12 |
| ieatlint | it's a wiki, you can add stuff | 23:12 |
| heymaster-laptop | ahh | 23:12 |
| heymaster-laptop | ieatlint: it's not problem, I'm deleting m_listmodel in my destructor. | 23:14 |
| ieatlint | that won't do it | 23:14 |
| ieatlint | unless you're deleting all the items in the listmodel | 23:14 |
| ieatlint | and i'm wondering who's deleting the RoleItemModel | 23:14 |
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| heymaster-laptop | ieatlint: haven't understood you. but i have ~ServerModel() {delete m_listmodel ;} in my class. | 23:16 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, that won't delete the QStandardItem objects you created | 23:28 |
| ieatlint | also, you should call m_listmodel->deleteLater() instead of just using delete on it | 23:29 |
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| heymaster-laptop | ieatlint: so what to do ? :) | 23:32 |
| heymaster-laptop | call m_listmodel->deleteLater() ? | 23:32 |
| ieatlint | yes, that, but that won't delete the QStandardItem stuff | 23:33 |
| ieatlint | as to how to do that... dunno, i'm not unpacking a zip file to find out what this RoleItemModel does, but you need a way to traverse the list of QStandardItem objects you created on the heap and use the delete keyword on them | 23:34 |
| heymaster-laptop | ieatlint: ok thanks will check | 23:34 |
| ieatlint | the deleteLater() call works on any QObject, and is a safer way to delete them without as much risk of deleting a QObject that is in use | 23:34 |
| heymaster-laptop | ieatlint: in which place i need to write deleteLater() ? | 23:35 |
| ZogG_N950 | is it me or N950 colours are not that bright as N9 ? | 23:35 |
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| ZogG_N950 | sup guys | 23:37 |
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| heymaster-laptop | sup | 23:38 |
| ZogG_N950 | what ya doing (Cartman's voice) | 23:38 |
| heymaster-laptop | trying to make app for contest :) | 23:39 |
| ZogG_N950 | i just wonder if my N950 screen is weird or all of them like that | 23:41 |
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| ZogG_N950 | heymaster-laptop, oh right. without phone right | 23:41 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_N950: yes | 23:41 |
| heymaster-laptop | :)) | 23:41 |
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| ZogG_N950 | heymaster-laptop, and what app if it's not a secret | 23:42 |
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| ZogG_N950 | ? | 23:45 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_N950: very tiny app | 23:45 |
| rzr | hi is any of you boot mer as alt os ? | 23:45 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_N950: http://www.tinyapps.eu/ | 23:46 |
| ZogG_N950 | rzr, nope, why? | 23:46 |
| heymaster-laptop | ZogG_N950: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/servermonitor/id401491476?mt=8 | 23:46 |
| heymaster-laptop | I think i will make only basic functionality | 23:46 |
| heymaster-laptop | if I :) | 23:47 |
| ZogG_N950 | nice | 23:47 |
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| rzr | ZogG_N950, i just ported redak to nemomobile .. i wanted to find some testes | 23:52 |
| rzr | testers | 23:52 |
| rzr | well an other time | 23:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: w00t_nemo ? | 23:52 |
| * rZr http://rzr.online.fr/q/mer# VideO of #RedaK LibrE TexT EditoR #Qt #QmL running on #MeeGo / #MeR / #NemoMobile on #LenovO #s103t x86 #TableT | 23:52 | |
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| ZogG_N950 | rzr, u should stop with those tags | 23:53 |
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| ZogG_N950 | rzr, he tried and it crashed his device ^ =) | 23:55 |
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| ZogG_laptop | time to sleep | 23:56 |
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