IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-07-18

RST38hDo...mhm...gaels carry baseball bats at all times? =)00:00
ieatlinti'm just kidding, we don't learn a set language00:00
ieatlintstudents are required to take a foreign language in high school, and here spanish is the most popular choice00:00
djszapi_well, we learn germany in Hungary00:00
djszapi_and Swedish in Finland.00:00
ieatlintfrench is second00:00
ieatlintgerman, italian, mandarin and japanese are common options00:00
djszapi_no hungarian ? :p00:01
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RST38hyou forgot spanish.00:01
RST38hsurely you are being intolerant.00:01
ieatlintspanish was what i said was the most popular choice00:01
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djszapi_RST38h: he started with that00:01
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kralorhey guys00:01
kraloranyone tried android on n9 ?00:01
ieatlintbecause you can actually use spanish in california :P00:02
djszapi_rzr: ^00:02
RST38hcan use it everywhere00:02
kraloryeah CA rocks00:02
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: what is unseal.ko00:02
GeneralAntillesCA's going to fall into an economic pit RSN.00:03
niwakameI'm out for the day. See you :)00:03
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ieatlintGeneralAntilles: eh, we're in less trouble than the federal gov00:04
GeneralAntillesieatlint, yeah, but fewer tools to delay the repercussions.00:04
RST38hactually, no.00:04
GeneralAntillesCA can't really print money.00:05
ieatlintwe're operating a big deficit and have a high unemployment rate, but we also control the computer industry, the film industry and a significant part of the agriculture industry00:05
RST38hBut it does not really matter.00:05
GeneralAntillesPensions are going to blow up00:05
GeneralAntillesSome already are.00:05
GeneralAntillesieatlint, except where a lot of it is moving to Texas.00:05
arceanMohammadAG, are you sure it's not pre-beta1? Look at the browser or status menu00:05
gambitrexdjszapi_: still lost. I have registered the type already, and still not working. any idea?00:05
GeneralAntillesCA's been so business-hostile that a lot of them are fleeing the state.00:05
ieatlintGeneralAntilles: it's not moving to texas... it may be expanding in texas, but it's expanding here as well00:05
ieatlintthat's news to all the businesses opening up around me :P00:06
MohammadAGarcean, look at the version string00:06
RST38hieatlint: Computer industry is past its prime00:06
rzrdjszapi_, hi what is the question ? nitdroid ??00:06
GeneralAntillesieatlint, you're in the bay area, though.00:06
djszapi_gambitrex: you have Q_OBJECT and all that jazz?00:06
RST38hieatlint: going downhill, just making things cheaper and more generic00:06
djszapi_rzr: ask kralor00:06
djszapi_most likely00:06
ieatlintyeah, there's never been much computer industry outside of the bay area in california00:06
arceanMohammadAG, yup, isn't it earlier than beta 1 (22-6) ?00:06
gambitrexdjszapi_: yes00:06
djszapi_did the nitroid explode ?00:06
RST38hieatlint: Some would say the movie industry is going in the same direction00:07
MohammadAGthose are weeks00:07
ieatlintRST38h: if the movie industry is going anywhere, it's to canada00:07
* MohammadAG headdesks00:07
arcean15 of 2011 vs 22 :P00:07
RST38hieatlint: that too, although I have seen soaps shot in Boston lately00:07
arceanMohammadAG, check the video, especially web browser00:07
djszapi_gambitrex: do you follow the description?00:07
arcean*web browser on the video00:07
RST38hieatlint: but the thing is, how many truly great movies can you name from the last 5 years?00:08
MohammadAGarcean, seen every bit of it00:08
MohammadAGI like the browser tbh00:08
ieatlintGeneralAntilles: i've seen national articles on it, but in the bay area and LA, demand is only increasing for business space00:08
gambitrexdjszapi_:  and I cannot just do: Q_PROPERTY(QVariant my_name READ getMethod WRITE setMethod) instead of Q_PROPERTY(QList<MyType> my_name READ getMethod WRITE setMethod)00:08
ieatlintRST38h: the dark knight immediately comes to mind00:08
RST38hieatlint: [not to mention that I fully expect to see a makefile in the credits to each Pixar/Disney flick nowadays]00:08
RST38hOk. One.00:08
djszapi_gambitrex: because that makes no sense00:08
ieatlintwell, pixar is about 10min from me right now00:08
ieatlintdreamworks about 45min00:09
djszapi_QList<QVariant> -> you should use this, if you had followed the description.00:09
RST38hieatlint: petition them to include makefiles, so that we can see what libraries they are taking characters from =)00:09
GeneralAntillesieatlint, we'll see where that trend continues as pension bombs start bankrupting more cities00:09
GeneralAntillesand the D controlled government makes it more and more expensive to operate in CA.00:09
RST38hieatlint: gcc -o cars2 -lcars -ltoystory -ltoystory2 ...00:09
ieatlintGeneralAntilles: you keep hoping :P00:10
GeneralAntillesieatlint, I don't hope.00:10
RST38hGeneral: I would not emphasis d/r division that much00:10
gambitrexdjszapi_: yes, I have tried that, but the compiler doesnt like it.00:10
ieatlintnot going to try and claim CA gov is anything but screwed up00:10
GeneralAntillesBut it's apparently inevitable.00:10
ieatlintbut hey, i still say we're better than FL00:10
RST38hGeneral: At the basic level, these are the same guys00:10
GeneralAntillesRST38h, well, at least when it's split they deadlock more often.00:10
GeneralAntillesRST38h, I agree 95%.00:10
ZogG_laptopwhere are the sources?00:10
ieatlintheh, i wouldn't put much trust in a WSJ writer00:10
RST38hGeneral: true00:10
ieatlintwe're in another tech bubble, no doubt00:10
GeneralAntillesBut when one party has a super-majority there's just a march-step towards party policy.00:10
GeneralAntillesieatlint, as opposed to a Washington Post writer? :)00:11
ieatlintuh, the dems don't have a super majority here00:11
RST38hGeneral: The main problem is that to make any reasonable steps out of the pit, you would have to kill a few business models, and neither party can afford that00:11
ieatlintGeneralAntilles: how about a writer for a paper actually in the state00:11
gambitrexdjszapi_: it says it cannot cast my getMethod (which returns QList<Mytype>) to QList<QVariant>00:11
RST38hGeneral: like medical insurance industry for example, or copyright00:11
RST38hHence the half-baked obamacare you hate so much.00:12
GeneralAntillesRST38h, yeah, it's true.00:12
GeneralAntillesIt's not going to be fun either way.00:12
RST38hexactly + unfortunately00:12
GeneralAntillesSomething's going to have to give, it can't continue like this forever.00:12
RST38hwell,there is always the default path described in Flashback00:13
ieatlintGeneralAntilles: well, i think a level of partianship between us is clear, as i am afterall from san francisco :P00:13
RST38h30th year of continuous "economic recovery", etc00:13
rzrkralor, ask me00:13
gambitrexdjszapi_: error: no match for 'operator=' in '*(QList<QVariant>*)_v = Contact::getPhoneNumbers() const()'00:13
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GeneralAntillesieatlint, I don't practice partisanship. ;)00:14
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GeneralAntillesWith a lowercase l.00:15
ieatlintok :P00:15
GeneralAntillesand my views are still my own.00:15
djszapi_bella ciao!00:15
ieatlintyeah, i'm a socialist, but a member of the democratic party.. i don't always agree with them, and i don't always agree with a lot of socialists00:15
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djszapi_are there parties in the US?00:16
GeneralAntillesdjszapi_, yes.00:16
ieatlintyeah, but only two main ones00:16
GeneralAntillesMmm . . . socialism.00:16
djszapi_ok there are no parties in Hungary imo00:17
djszapi_gambitrex: did you get it work ?00:17
GeneralAntillesdjszapi_, the two main US parties are effectively the same party.00:17
gambitrexdjszapi_: no. The compiler doesnt like the solution. It says it cannot cast the return of my getMethod (which is QList<MyType>) to QList<QVariant>: error: no match for 'operator=' in '*(QList<QVariant>*)_v = Contact::getPhoneNumbers() const()'00:18
ieatlintwell, they agree on 80% of things, and then shout really loudly on the remaining 20%00:18
djszapi_gambitrex: heh, of course not00:19
djszapi_also, you should clarify what you would like to achieve.00:19
djszapi_I did not get it00:19
djszapi_perhaps, you have the wrong approach00:19
GeneralAntillesThat 80% is generally the parts where we get screwed to their benefit, though. ;)00:19
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gambitrexdjszapi_: OK. I am passing to QML a list model. It works great. But now I realized that every object in the list model has a list of another object. Much like every contact has a list of phone numbers.00:20
ieatlintyeah, well, if you're a libertarian, we're actually likely to agree on about 15% of that remaining 20% :P00:20
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gambitrexdjszapi_: So I've added a new attribute to the original class, QList<AnotherType>, and I'll try to access it in the QML00:21
GeneralAntillesieatlint, I'd throw anything economic into the 80% pile with the D's and R's, personally.00:21
ieatlintsure, i was referring to the social issues that cause the loudest shouting matches00:22
GeneralAntillesieatlint, two clarifications first: What do you consider to be social issues?00:22
gambitrexdjszapi_: currently I can access the list model in a JS function, for example. so, all I want to do is myLIstModel[index].phones[0],Number. Got it?00:23
ieatlintone that isn't economic, but those in the government feel they need to legislate00:23
GeneralAntillesDefining a set by the exclusion of another set when neither set is defined is confusing. :P00:23
GeneralAntillesMore to the point, then, do you believe welfare is a social or an economic issue?00:23
ieatlinthah, ok00:24
ieatlintmy personal feels differ from how the country treats it, which is economic in that it's handled as part of the budget00:24
ieatlinti suspect we can guess each other's opinions of it00:25
djszapi_gambitrex: and why do you need your type in the list?00:25
djszapi_phone numbers do not usually require an own class...00:25
djszapi_in addition, it sounds more like a treeview, not listview...00:26
ieatlintbut things that have no direct influence on the economy is more what i meant... gay marriage and abortion being the most obvious00:26
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gambitrexbecause there's type "Mobile", "blablabla", and an Id, which is the Id of the QContactDetail00:26
GeneralAntillesAh, that's generally what I would define as "social" issues.00:26
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GeneralAntillesAs to those, I don't believe the government should be involved in marriage at all.00:26
djszapi_gambitrex: I believe you are doing it wrong00:27
GeneralAntillesIf somebody wants to be married, let them draw up a contract and be married.00:27
djszapi_why not another list model00:27
djszapi_if not tree, in the first place.00:27
ZogG_laptoplol they have yandex as search option =)00:27
djszapi_why is this being forced into property?00:27
gambitrexas a property I can access in a JS functions, as far as I know...00:28
gambitrexbut a tree should work; didnt read about this in Qt00:28
djszapi_you could all do this in qml?00:28
djszapi_without touching C++?00:28
gambitrexI use c++ to load/save contacts. Once I load it, I send to Qml, where user should select contacts that will be changed00:29
djszapi_well, it is details after if it is C++ model or QML00:30
djszapi_the point is, I do not see you would use a property for this.00:30
djszapi_after all*00:30
gambitrexI dont think it's possible to load and edit contacts (Save them again) by using only QML00:30
djszapi_well, I do such things00:31
djszapi_with an exposed config stuff to qml00:31
djszapi_calling save/restore from qml with proper arguments00:31
djszapi_but that is details... the point is: why property?00:31
gambitrexdidnt know that. actually, I just started playing with Qt and QML stuff.00:31
gambitrexbecause i need to access the phone_numbers in qml, to display them00:32
djszapi_this is not a reason, you see?00:32
djszapi_you can just use model view framework for this00:33
djszapi_which would be more adequate to me.00:33
gambitrexam I not sure, because I dont know many ways to display something00:33
djszapi_well, either property or context00:33
djszapi_I would personally go for context00:33
djszapi_having a list property is weird00:34
GeneralAntillesieatlint, just as a general note: none of my views are religiously motivated. ;)00:34
djszapi_and that is a sign of considering the model view framework00:34
gambitrexdjszapi_: please dont go that fast. haha00:34
djszapi_you mean this slow ? :p00:34
gambitrexdjszapi_:  :P allow me to explain the whole idea, and then I will tell you why I choose that approach00:35
djszapi_still, you could achieve this through a hack with properties00:35
djszapi_I just do not recommend00:35
djszapi_but technologically viable..00:36
djszapi_you could even consider a proxy model for this.00:37
arceanMohammadAG, have you seen that?
djszapi_yep, that is an old joke00:38
MohammadAGarcean, nope00:38
MohammadAGbut it's a decision by management00:38
arceanunfortunately :/00:39
gambitrexHere in Brazil, phone numbers from a certain area will be added a new digit. It was 011-XXXX-XXXX and in the near future it will be 011-9-XXXX-XXXX. You will need to update ALL phone numbers from 011 area for ALL contacts. Of course, if you do that manually, it would take so much time, and so on. So, I am developing an app that automatically updates all numbers from 011 (adding the '9' after the code) and allowing the user to se00:39
MohammadAGled-event-notifier's good :p00:39
MohammadAGwe had that like 9 years ago00:40
MohammadAG054 would become 0544/0546, 052 0522, 050, 050200:40
MohammadAGit was messed up00:40
djszapi_gambitrex: so modify the model data00:40
djszapi_do not use properties00:40
gambitrexwhich need to be updated. I have sucessfully retrieved all contacts and display them using a ListView (including the avatar). Now I need to display the numbers, with a checkbox00:41
gambitrexand somehow access the selected checkboxes in C++00:41
gambitrexin order to update the phone numbers00:41
gambitrexdjszapi_: I dont see how could I modify the model data, since the relationship is 1 to many00:42
gambitrexeg. Paul has 4 numbers00:42
gambitrexthat's why the list property00:42
djszapi_so you say, you would property for representing the filesystem?00:43
djszapi_instead of tree stuff?00:43
djszapi_I would say, property was designed for this00:43
djszapi_when you have a list, or tree (even if just two-level), Modem View Framework that should be used IMO.00:44
djszapi_was not designed*00:44
djszapi_Model* and ... other typos :)00:44
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gambitrexok. seems like I have another thing to learn about. :-)00:45
djszapi_are you displaying the chanfed numbers?00:45
djszapi_why not?00:47
gambitrexit's a quite simple app, which shows the original numbers, some checkboxes so the user can choose which ones will be changed, and a button APPLY00:47
djszapi_how will the user know they are really changed?00:47
gambitrexwhen the user tap APPLY, i need to access all checked numbers, and add '9' before the number00:47
gambitrexI plan to show a log after processing00:47
gambitrexor something00:48
djszapi_weird ui design to me00:48
gambitrexI am not a ui designer, lol. what do you suggest?00:49
djszapi_I would either use a foldable stuff00:49
djszapi_or a popup stuff00:49
djszapi_but users like making sure00:49
djszapi_I mean normal users, not hackers, reading logs..00:49
gambitrexyes, I tought about that, but dont you think it would complicate the thing?00:49
gambitrexit should be a really quick process00:49
djszapi_to make sure everything went fine, visually?00:49
djszapi_No, I think, that is a good usability design00:50
gambitreximagine you have like 200 contacts. imagine you folding one by one00:50
gambitrexor pop uo one by one00:50
djszapi_I have 65k rows00:50
djszapi_in my qml app00:50
gambitrexbut the user NEED to tap over each one?00:50
djszapi_well, they are there for getting ignored totally.00:51
MohammadAGway to automate it then :p00:51
djszapi_they are not there*00:51
gambitrexdont you agree that, in my case, yes. the user need to know every phone number, so the user needs to open EVERY contact?00:51
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gambitrexI think if I can avoid he/she open like 200 contacts, it would be better, no?00:51
djszapi_well, you can make a one-shot application as well00:52
gambitrexalos, keep in mind that it is a one time app00:52
MohammadAGotherwise they could manually edit one by one00:52
djszapi_it really depends on the purpose00:52
djszapi_which you did not share ...00:52
gambitrexMohammadAG: yes, agreed00:52
djszapi_if the app is for preshing a button, you would still need a model anyway00:53
gambitrexdjszapi_: when you say "model", it means list model? If so, I already have one00:53
gambitrexI am able to list all contacts already, each one with its avatar00:53
djszapi_no, I do not00:54
djszapi_it is clearly a tree00:54
djszapi_we agreed upon that long ago...00:54
djszapi_i is like I have /home/stuff00:54
gambitrexhaha, OK. let me read about it00:54
gambitrextree model, right?00:54
djszapi_but I do not check out /home/stuff/a /home/stuff/b00:54
djszapi_just delete /home/stuff/a with rm -rf00:54
djszapi_just because I do not care about the internals, it is still a tree.00:55
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djszapi_with this approach, you would use double property system00:55
djszapi_since there is no need for the outter either00:55
djszapi_with your approach*00:56
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djszapi_you just need to learn more about C++/Qt/QML00:56
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gambitrexdjszapi_: Yes, I'll do that. Thank you for your help.00:59
Oni^How to I get frontzero the clock in background screen01:02
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Oni^I have it on other screens already01:05
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Oni^I want all digital clocks displaying 01:07 instead of 1:0701:07
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beforde-yes: awesome 4.1 JB, great work!01:24
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jpwhitingdjszapi_: googling I found an openntpd for meego/n9 but can't see it in the ovi store, are you aware of a way to get N9 time to sync with ntp server over wifi (we aren't using sim cards yet)03:23
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buser anyone know of any network modules for icd with support for VPNs?03:50
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ZogG_laptoprZr: why did you want me to check version?04:04
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itsnotabigtruckhas anyone noticed any curiosities on their shiny N950s aside from the user agent selector and the gig finder09:14
itsnotabigtruckthat is, in the shipped pre-beta1 firmware09:15
Corsacgig finder?09:17
itsnotabigtruckyeah, it's a program that searches for live shows in your area coming up that was pulled for some reason09:18
itsnotabigtruckit comes on said firmware09:18
japhgig finder I haven't found for n950? or what?09:18
itsnotabigtruckthis seems to be the exact same firmware shown in some of the old doc pages on the nokia site09:18
Corsacthey were cleaning some stocks09:18
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: i got one there09:23
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: if you seen video browser has icons as history as well09:23
djszapi_ZogG_laptop: dude, you never sleep ?09:23
ZogG_laptopdjszapi_: i didn't go to sleep today09:24
ZogG_laptopmy friend was here09:24
ZogG_laptopand were drinking and talking09:24
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ZogG_laptopthe funny thing that roomate found out he has morning shift in 7:05 - when it starts at 7 and he still didn't sleep before and was drinking with us09:25
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: you want me to check things before i update?09:26
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CreamyG31337ZogG_laptop, itsnotabigtruck has one so go ahead and nuke yours if you want09:52
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ZogG_laptopCreamyG31337: yeah, the one you sent him09:56
ZogG_laptopthanks btw09:56
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CreamyG31337yeah no prob, he helped me a lot and it's not really fair I have extra ones when ppl like him don't10:01
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ZogG_laptopit would be nice everyone will think like that10:04
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kozzirzr: ladoga managed to get rtmpdump v2.4 to work10:08
kozziif it's possible could you help him to package it?10:10
rzrbut not now10:12
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qwazix_900rzr: ping10:50
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gabriel9|workis there a source of meecast?10:58
jonnigabriel9|work: yes google search gives you git repo11:03
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gabriel9|workmeecast is written in C :/11:56
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jonnigabriel9|work: well N9 version is C++(Qt/QML) and not C actually13:03
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gabriel9|worki was only interested in weather providers13:18
gabriel9|worki build some app for desktops13:19
gabriel9|workand i cant find free provider... Everyone is limited in some way, req/sec13:19
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gabriel9|workI will translate this app to Serbian13:22
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clauhas anybody managed to setup pptp on n9 ?13:47
jonniclau: there is pptp package in rzr repo13:51
clauk, I'll look for it. thanks13:51
jonnipersonnally I just use vpnc13:52
clauI already have openvpn13:52
rzrthat one builds also iirc13:52
clauand I've patched it to modify the routing table correctly even over 3g13:52
claualso managed to make it connect automatically on network up13:52
clauI'll upload it on the net as soon as I have some time to prepare everything13:53
rzrask to rebuild it from sources13:53
clau*but* I still need pptp too :(13:53
rzrover there13:54
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rzru welcome14:23
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clauhmm, I was wondering, where can I find the debian subdir? can't even find it on the debian site14:28
clauthanks, but what I meant is that I can only find pptp-linux_1.7.2-7.diff.gz, which contains just diffs14:29
Corsacyou apply the diff to upstream sources14:30
kimjuclau, it gets extracted from the debian .diff.gz14:30
kimjuget the .dsc, orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz, and do dpkg-source -x pptp*dsc14:30
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kimjuthat will extract the upstream source and apply the diff14:31
clauk, will do14:31
clauI'm obviously not familiar with debian packaging system14:32
clauyep, everything's there14:33
ladogarzr t14:33
azeemnewer Debian source packages have a tarball of the debian/ directory, which is less confuin14:34
ladogasorry, clumsy thumbs:)14:34
ladogawhat i was trying to say that rtmpdump builds with libssl1-dev14:35
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kimjuclau, Debian has quite nice documentation in it's Policy Manual, Developer's Reference and New Maintainers' Guide. see
claukimju, thanks14:38
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vi_can someone link me to the official 'how to flash the n950' guide?14:58
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vi__just found it!15:09
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vi__well, it is really annoying to use the keyboard when the screen is ALWAYS forced to portrait.15:44
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Guest44054rzr, regarding pptp-linux, it requires ppp. any clue where can I find it?15:47
jonnivi__: you mean landscape?15:47
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vi__I guess I should be IRCing to #harmattan.15:49
vi__...but all the cool people hang out here.15:49
azeemthis is #harmattan?15:51
jonnivi__: im tmo there is app which hacks portrait apps to be also landscape, but as most of the apps havent been tested in landscape, then the ui layout is crappy15:52
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njsfI think a combination of N9-Tweaks and Home screen settings screwed up my base theme (and maybe blanco too)/16:14
njsfI am seeing the home screen in red.16:14
njsfWhere I can find the PR 1.3 stock base and blanco themes for download ?16:14
hiemanshuyou'll have to extract it yourself from the image16:15
hiemanshuor find the right package from the repos16:16
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njsfOni^: that is the PR1.216:20
Oni^sorry for PR1.3 apt-get install --reinstall meegotouchhome libmeegotouchhome016:20
njsfI am on PR 1.316:20
njsfare you sure nothing changed there in the themes ?16:21
njsfBTW I already tried that with no result16:21
Oni^sorry for PR1.3 apt-get install --reinstall meegotouchhome-nokia libmeegotouchhome016:21
Oni^missed nokia16:21
njsfok let me try that16:21
njsfwhat do you mean missed nokia ?16:21
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Oni^that -nokia thing16:22
njsfokay, let me reboot and verify16:23
Oni^Is there a way quicken the boot on N916:26
njsfnope, still red background :/16:27
njsfany /home/user/.config that may impact this ?16:27
chem|stvi__: get used to swype... you will get used to portrait vkb pretty fast16:29
chem|stI train it by using it for chatting at home, even with desktop available to A train words and B getting used to it16:30
vi__chem|st: But I liek xterm.16:33
chem|stvi__: install finger term16:33
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chem|sthuge vkb and as soon as you get used to the delay... it is usable16:34
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chem|stwhere is vim hidden?16:34
chem|stvi is there... at least...16:34
chem|sthow do I set smtp by wifi network?16:35
vi__chem|st: I have NFC.16:37
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chem|stvi__: rzr has it build, meego obs has it, no idea if working or not16:55
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vi__chem|st: how do I enable swype?16:57
vi__How do I enable extra repos?16:57
vi__why is xterm so slow?16:57
azeemwhich xterm?16:58
azeemenable swype is a FAQ16:58
vi__If you use open mode do you lose use of all paid for applications?16:58
vi__all xterms.16:58
jonniswype -> settings, extra repos -> there is no nokia extra repos.16:58
vi__then wtf is meegos obs?16:58
azeemvi__: because you didn't optimize it16:58
jonnivi__: community repos16:59
vi__because I did not optimise it? WTF is that supposed to mean?16:59
azeemvi__: this is a developer channel, what you do think the answer is?17:00
vi__Well you sure showed me.17:02
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njsfwtf, now I installed home screen settings, and the wallpaper has a redish hue to it17:25
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ladoga17:02 < vi__> Well you sure showed me.17:32
ladoga17:02 < vi__> Well you sure showed me.17:32
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ladoganjsf, amoled burn?17:41
ladogai've noticed something similar when phone's screen is static for long..say over 10min17:42
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ladogabut never left it so long it didn't eventually fade back to normal17:43
njsfladoga: no, apps look normal, lock screen looks normal17:46
njsfthis is localized to home screen17:46
ladogawell..i guess that's good. hardware is ok17:46
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clauis there a way of loading kernel modules without inception?17:57
clauI'm concerned with ppp, but also with iptables17:57
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jonniclau: yes in openmod (or if you have signed it as :)17:59
clauI'm mostly searching for a way to do it without hacking, maybe even without devmode18:00
jonniclau: then the answer is no.18:01
clauthat's sad :|18:01
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ptlclau, you brazilian?18:02
ptlthought you were claudio (a brazilian linux developer). that is also my name.18:03
clauno, I'm Romanian18:03
claufor some reason in Romania we use the 'u' ending :)18:04
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ptlyour name is 'clau'?18:04
claunow that it's clear that pptp can't be used easily, I wonder why it has to use a kernel component; after all openvpn seems to be working just fine without a kernel module18:05
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claugranted, even mpd5 on fbsd uses a kernel module18:05
clau(didn't realize I don't have my complete name in information)18:05
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chem|stvi__: swype is settings -> time and language -> text input18:08
chem|stvi__: and you might want to alter /usr/share/swype/data/SwypeConfig.ini
chem|stnjsf: you did mess with N9tweak or something?18:09
chem|stnjsf: use whatever you used to mess it up to fix it?!18:10
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njsfchem|st: yes, and I did try to use the N9tweak "go to defaults"18:10
njsfto no avail18:10
njsfguess I'll have to check the scripts and see where they touch18:11
chem|stnjsf: try setting it "not using" "go to defaults"18:11
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chem|stvi__: is probably what you are looking for18:12
chem|stvi__: in terms of extras18:12
vi__chem|st: did you get n9 or n950?18:15
vi__also, cheers.18:15
njsfchem|st: I _did_ already18:15
claucan anybody recommend a better headset for n9? maybe my expectations are a bit too high, but the sound quality is a bit lacking18:17
vi__clau: sorry bro, this is a developers ONLY channel.18:19
vi__No chit chat please.18:19
clauoh, wasn't aware18:19
vi__clau: Only joking.18:20
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clauwasn't aware of that either :P18:20
leinirhmm... i find that my not-too-pricey Sandberg Street Gear headphones are pretty good, but it depends on what you're after, of course :)18:21
clauhmm, I'll see if I can find any around here18:21
leiniryou'll likely find it easier to find Skullcandy ones... i really liked my HESH pair, but they sort of disintegrated, because my head's too big for them, apparently ;)18:23
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vi__ <azeem> vi__: this is a developer channel, what you do think the answer is?18:26
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leinirHa, easy - developers need good headphones, who /else/ would you ask for advice on which ones are good? ;)18:27
Proxypokewould this be an appropriate place for N9 flashing related questions?18:28
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clauhmm, the freebsd implementation of ppp is entirely userland and it uses tun18:34
clauI wonder how hard it would be to port it to harmattan18:34
clauwell, to linux in general18:35
azeemvi__: my point was that asking "why is XY slow?" is not a very useful question, sorry if it came along wrong18:36
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ladogayour u ending comes from latin me just dropped the s18:51
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ladogaclaudiu, claudius :) it originates from word claudus, which means lame18:55
ptlyeah... having lame in one's own name -> not a good thing.18:58
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ladogaromans played jokes with nick names19:01
ladogaeven Caesar means "hairy"19:01
ladogait's supposed to be because the guy was becoming bald at young age19:01
clauhave you seen Life of Brian?19:01
clauClaudius was an emperor, and he had a limp19:02
clauso I suppose there's a connection19:02
ptlI have19:02
ladogaso it's funny emperors across the europe wanted be called Hairy after him:)19:02
clauthere was a scene about names in it19:02
ptlAll I remember from that sketch is Dickus Maximus.19:02
clauyeah, that's the one :)19:02
ptlsomething like that19:02
ladogagood film:)19:02
claubiggus dickus, I think19:03
ptlyeah, that was the name19:03
claulemme youtube it19:03
clauthink this is it:
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ZogG_laptopvi__: did you get your device already?19:10
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ZogG_laptophmm flasher fails to flash my n95019:53
befordOCF ?19:56
ZogG_laptopbeford: hi first of all btw =)19:57
befordyou are using OCF for 1.2 right? I think GeneralAntilles had issues and he was using the wrong OCF19:57
ZogG_laptopSU_BEGIN_ERASE_REQ timed out and ERROR: Failed to erase MMC using 'secure' metho19:58
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ZogG_laptopbeford: got one from site, global 1.2 and started than it saying that it's erasing and than in few minutes it fails19:58
infoboti guess n950-firmware is The latest OneClickFlasher for the Nokia N950 is available from
befordso close19:59
ZogG_laptopGeneralAntilles: i use that one19:59
GeneralAntilles~firmware-n950 is The latest OneClickFlasher for the Nokia N950 is available from
infobotokay, GeneralAntilles19:59
ZogG_laptopHarmattan 1.2 (3.2012.02-6, released 2012-01-25) -> Linux / Global957 MiB94876a626689f59a59befe55581452ad20:00
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ZogG_laptop~n950 is limited developer kit device from Nokia on Harmattan. To know about flashing — ~flashing-n95020:01
infobotZogG_laptop: okay20:01
ZogG_laptopGeneralAntilles: what problem u had?20:02
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GeneralAntillesZogG_laptop, not the same one you're having.20:02
ZogG_laptopmaybe i need to try to flash to 1.1?20:02
befordthat seems related ZogG_laptop20:04
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ZogG_laptopbeford: thanks, it works20:12
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ZogG_laptopnice progress bar it has btw20:12
ZogG_laptopdidn't have it on n9 afaik20:12
ZogG_laptopaaaaand it's gone20:13
ZogG_laptopflashed i mean =P20:13
ZogG_laptopbeford: now i need to try openmode/nitdroid/nemo =)20:19
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ZogG_laptopkozzi: ping21:56
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ZogG_laptopniwakame|away: ping22:36
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jonniheh, did a bit of experiment on ram&swap handling, changed the default 750MB RAM + 250MB RAM-swap to 1GB RAM + 466MB MTD-swap. (As there is almost 500MB MTD flash partition unused on the device) :)22:51
jonninow I have lots of free RAM :)22:52
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ZogG_laptopjonni: n9?22:54
jonnitested both n9 and n950 :)22:54
ZogG_laptopjonni: ping Nokia guys to release the pr1.3 for n950 =)22:54
ZogG_laptopor leak it22:54
jonniofcourse it kills onenand faster, but I dont care, since I have spare :)22:54
ZogG_laptopi reflashed mine with 1.2 btw already22:54
ZogG_laptopn950 screen colours are way different from n9 btw22:54
ZogG_laptopjonni: send one to e-eyes22:55
ZogG_laptopu gonna win one more in coding thing probably22:58
ZogG_laptopor you building the wall with them and you need them?22:58
jonnilets see, competition might be tight22:58
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ZogG_laptopi hope it would be tight because of a lot good apps22:59
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* Arkenoi wonders if it is possible to find n950 screen for replacement, mine got artifacts23:15
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Oni^anyone have working q3config.cfg for ioquake323:17
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heymaster-laptopJavaScript and Qt objects ?23:53
heymaster-laptopsame as QML ? or not ?23:54
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