IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-07-18

RST38h	Do...mhm...gaels carry baseball bats at all times? =)	00:00
ieatlint	i'm just kidding, we don't learn a set language	00:00
ieatlint	students are required to take a foreign language in high school, and here spanish is the most popular choice	00:00
djszapi_	well, we learn germany in Hungary	00:00
djszapi_	and Swedish in Finland.	00:00
ieatlint	french is second	00:00
ieatlint	german, italian, mandarin and japanese are common options	00:00
djszapi_	no hungarian ? :p	00:01
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ieatlint	nope	00:01
RST38h	you forgot spanish.	00:01
RST38h	surely you are being intolerant.	00:01
ieatlint	spanish was what i said was the most popular choice	00:01
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djszapi_	RST38h: he started with that	00:01
RST38h	ah	00:01
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kralor	hey guys	00:01
djszapi_	sup	00:01
kralor	anyone tried android on n9 ?	00:01
ieatlint	because you can actually use spanish in california :P	00:02
djszapi_	rzr: ^	00:02
RST38h	can use it everywhere	00:02
kralor	yeah CA rocks	00:02
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: what is unseal.ko	00:02
GeneralAntilles	CA's going to fall into an economic pit RSN.	00:03
niwakame	I'm out for the day. See you :)	00:03
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ieatlint	GeneralAntilles: eh, we're in less trouble than the federal gov	00:04
GeneralAntilles	ieatlint, yeah, but fewer tools to delay the repercussions.	00:04
RST38h	actually, no.	00:04
GeneralAntilles	CA can't really print money.	00:05
ieatlint	we're operating a big deficit and have a high unemployment rate, but we also control the computer industry, the film industry and a significant part of the agriculture industry	00:05
RST38h	But it does not really matter.	00:05
GeneralAntilles	Pensions are going to blow up	00:05
GeneralAntilles	Some already are.	00:05
GeneralAntilles	ieatlint, except where a lot of it is moving to Texas.	00:05
arcean	MohammadAG, are you sure it's not pre-beta1? Look at the browser or status menu	00:05
gambitrex	djszapi_: still lost. I have registered the type already, and still not working. any idea?	00:05
GeneralAntilles	CA's been so business-hostile that a lot of them are fleeing the state.	00:05
ieatlint	GeneralAntilles: it's not moving to texas... it may be expanding in texas, but it's expanding here as well	00:05
ieatlint	that's news to all the businesses opening up around me :P	00:06
MohammadAG	arcean, look at the version string	00:06
RST38h	ieatlint: Computer industry is past its prime	00:06
rzr	djszapi_, hi what is the question ? nitdroid ??	00:06
GeneralAntilles	ieatlint, you're in the bay area, though.	00:06
djszapi_	gambitrex: you have Q_OBJECT and all that jazz?	00:06
RST38h	ieatlint: going downhill, just making things cheaper and more generic	00:06
djszapi_	rzr: ask kralor	00:06
djszapi_	most likely	00:06
ieatlint	yeah, there's never been much computer industry outside of the bay area in california	00:06
arcean	MohammadAG, yup, isn't it earlier than beta 1 (22-6) ?	00:06
gambitrex	djszapi_: yes	00:06
djszapi_	did the nitroid explode ?	00:06
RST38h	ieatlint: Some would say the movie industry is going in the same direction	00:07
MohammadAG	15-7?	00:07
arcean	yes	00:07
MohammadAG	wait	00:07
MohammadAG	those are weeks	00:07
GeneralAntilles	ieatlint, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304444604577340531861056966.html	00:07
ieatlint	RST38h: if the movie industry is going anywhere, it's to canada	00:07
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arcean	15 of 2011 vs 22 :P	00:07
RST38h	ieatlint: that too, although I have seen soaps shot in Boston lately	00:07
arcean	MohammadAG, check the video, especially web browser	00:07
djszapi_	gambitrex: do you follow the description?	00:07
arcean	*web browser on the video	00:07
RST38h	ieatlint: but the thing is, how many truly great movies can you name from the last 5 years?	00:08
MohammadAG	arcean, seen every bit of it	00:08
MohammadAG	I like the browser tbh	00:08
ieatlint	GeneralAntilles: i've seen national articles on it, but in the bay area and LA, demand is only increasing for business space	00:08
arcean	:)	00:08
gambitrex	djszapi_: and I cannot just do: Q_PROPERTY(QVariant my_name READ getMethod WRITE setMethod) instead of Q_PROPERTY(QList<MyType> my_name READ getMethod WRITE setMethod)	00:08
piggz	cool https://twitter.com/drunkdebugger/status/225335284403933185/photo/1	00:08
ieatlint	RST38h: the dark knight immediately comes to mind	00:08
RST38h	ieatlint: [not to mention that I fully expect to see a makefile in the credits to each Pixar/Disney flick nowadays]	00:08
RST38h	Ok. One.	00:08
djszapi_	gambitrex: because that makes no sense	00:08
ieatlint	well, pixar is about 10min from me right now	00:08
ieatlint	dreamworks about 45min	00:09
djszapi_	QList<QVariant> -> you should use this, if you had followed the description.	00:09
RST38h	ieatlint: petition them to include makefiles, so that we can see what libraries they are taking characters from =)	00:09
GeneralAntilles	ieatlint, we'll see where that trend continues as pension bombs start bankrupting more cities	00:09
GeneralAntilles	and the D controlled government makes it more and more expensive to operate in CA.	00:09
RST38h	ieatlint: gcc -o cars2 -lcars -ltoystory -ltoystory2 ...	00:09
ieatlint	GeneralAntilles: you keep hoping :P	00:10
GeneralAntilles	ieatlint, I don't hope.	00:10
RST38h	General: I would not emphasis d/r division that much	00:10
gambitrex	djszapi_: yes, I have tried that, but the compiler doesnt like it.	00:10
ieatlint	not going to try and claim CA gov is anything but screwed up	00:10
GeneralAntilles	But it's apparently inevitable.	00:10
ieatlint	but hey, i still say we're better than FL	00:10
RST38h	General: At the basic level, these are the same guys	00:10
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, well, at least when it's split they deadlock more often.	00:10
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, I agree 95%.	00:10
ZogG_laptop	where are the sources?	00:10
ieatlint	heh, i wouldn't put much trust in a WSJ writer	00:10
RST38h	General: true	00:10
ieatlint	we're in another tech bubble, no doubt	00:10
GeneralAntilles	But when one party has a super-majority there's just a march-step towards party policy.	00:10
GeneralAntilles	ieatlint, as opposed to a Washington Post writer? :)	00:11
ieatlint	uh, the dems don't have a super majority here	00:11
RST38h	General: The main problem is that to make any reasonable steps out of the pit, you would have to kill a few business models, and neither party can afford that	00:11
ieatlint	GeneralAntilles: how about a writer for a paper actually in the state	00:11
gambitrex	djszapi_: it says it cannot cast my getMethod (which returns QList<Mytype>) to QList<QVariant>	00:11
RST38h	General: like medical insurance industry for example, or copyright	00:11
RST38h	Hence the half-baked obamacare you hate so much.	00:12
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, yeah, it's true.	00:12
ieatlint	heh	00:12
GeneralAntilles	It's not going to be fun either way.	00:12
RST38h	exactly + unfortunately	00:12
GeneralAntilles	Something's going to have to give, it can't continue like this forever.	00:12
RST38h	well,there is always the default path described in Flashback	00:13
ieatlint	GeneralAntilles: well, i think a level of partianship between us is clear, as i am afterall from san francisco :P	00:13
RST38h	30th year of continuous "economic recovery", etc	00:13
rzr	kralor, ask me	00:13
gambitrex	djszapi_: error: no match for 'operator=' in '(QList<QVariant>)_v = Contact::getPhoneNumbers() const()'	00:13
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GeneralAntilles	ieatlint, I don't practice partisanship. ;)	00:14
ieatlint	libertarian?	00:14
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GeneralAntilles	With a lowercase l.	00:15
ieatlint	ok :P	00:15
GeneralAntilles	and my views are still my own.	00:15
djszapi_	bella ciao!	00:15
ieatlint	yeah, i'm a socialist, but a member of the democratic party.. i don't always agree with them, and i don't always agree with a lot of socialists	00:15
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djszapi_	are there parties in the US?	00:16
GeneralAntilles	djszapi_, yes.	00:16
ieatlint	yeah, but only two main ones	00:16
GeneralAntilles	Mmm . . . socialism.	00:16
djszapi_	ok there are no parties in Hungary imo	00:17
djszapi_	gambitrex: did you get it work ?	00:17
GeneralAntilles	djszapi_, the two main US parties are effectively the same party.	00:17
gambitrex	djszapi_: no. The compiler doesnt like the solution. It says it cannot cast the return of my getMethod (which is QList<MyType>) to QList<QVariant>: error: no match for 'operator=' in '(QList<QVariant>)_v = Contact::getPhoneNumbers() const()'	00:18
ieatlint	well, they agree on 80% of things, and then shout really loudly on the remaining 20%	00:18
djszapi_	gambitrex: heh, of course not	00:19
djszapi_	also, you should clarify what you would like to achieve.	00:19
djszapi_	I did not get it	00:19
djszapi_	perhaps, you have the wrong approach	00:19
GeneralAntilles	That 80% is generally the parts where we get screwed to their benefit, though. ;)	00:19
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gambitrex	djszapi_: OK. I am passing to QML a list model. It works great. But now I realized that every object in the list model has a list of another object. Much like every contact has a list of phone numbers.	00:20
ieatlint	yeah, well, if you're a libertarian, we're actually likely to agree on about 15% of that remaining 20% :P	00:20
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gambitrex	djszapi_: So I've added a new attribute to the original class, QList<AnotherType>, and I'll try to access it in the QML	00:21
GeneralAntilles	ieatlint, I'd throw anything economic into the 80% pile with the D's and R's, personally.	00:21
ieatlint	sure, i was referring to the social issues that cause the loudest shouting matches	00:22
GeneralAntilles	ieatlint, two clarifications first: What do you consider to be social issues?	00:22
gambitrex	djszapi_: currently I can access the list model in a JS function, for example. so, all I want to do is myLIstModel[index].phones[0],Number. Got it?	00:23
ieatlint	one that isn't economic, but those in the government feel they need to legislate	00:23
GeneralAntilles	Defining a set by the exclusion of another set when neither set is defined is confusing. :P	00:23
GeneralAntilles	More to the point, then, do you believe welfare is a social or an economic issue?	00:23
ieatlint	hah, ok	00:24
ieatlint	my personal feels differ from how the country treats it, which is economic in that it's handled as part of the budget	00:24
ieatlint	i suspect we can guess each other's opinions of it	00:25
djszapi_	gambitrex: and why do you need your type in the list?	00:25
djszapi_	phone numbers do not usually require an own class...	00:25
djszapi_	in addition, it sounds more like a treeview, not listview...	00:26
ieatlint	but things that have no direct influence on the economy is more what i meant... gay marriage and abortion being the most obvious	00:26
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gambitrex	because there's type "Mobile", "blablabla", and an Id, which is the Id of the QContactDetail	00:26
GeneralAntilles	Ah, that's generally what I would define as "social" issues.	00:26
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GeneralAntilles	As to those, I don't believe the government should be involved in marriage at all.	00:26
djszapi_	gambitrex: I believe you are doing it wrong	00:27
GeneralAntilles	If somebody wants to be married, let them draw up a contract and be married.	00:27
djszapi_	why not another list model	00:27
djszapi_	if not tree, in the first place.	00:27
ZogG_laptop	lol they have yandex as search option =)	00:27
djszapi_	why is this being forced into property?	00:27
gambitrex	as a property I can access in a JS functions, as far as I know...	00:28
gambitrex	but a tree should work; didnt read about this in Qt	00:28
djszapi_	you could all do this in qml?	00:28
djszapi_	without touching C++?	00:28
gambitrex	I use c++ to load/save contacts. Once I load it, I send to Qml, where user should select contacts that will be changed	00:29
djszapi_	well, it is details after if it is C++ model or QML	00:30
djszapi_	the point is, I do not see you would use a property for this.	00:30
djszapi_	after all*	00:30
gambitrex	I dont think it's possible to load and edit contacts (Save them again) by using only QML	00:30
djszapi_	well, I do such things	00:31
djszapi_	with an exposed config stuff to qml	00:31
gambitrex	hmm	00:31
djszapi_	calling save/restore from qml with proper arguments	00:31
djszapi_	but that is details... the point is: why property?	00:31
gambitrex	didnt know that. actually, I just started playing with Qt and QML stuff.	00:31
gambitrex	because i need to access the phone_numbers in qml, to display them	00:32
djszapi_	this is not a reason, you see?	00:32
djszapi_	you can just use model view framework for this	00:33
djszapi_	which would be more adequate to me.	00:33
gambitrex	am I not sure, because I dont know many ways to display something	00:33
djszapi_	well, either property or context	00:33
djszapi_	I would personally go for context	00:33
djszapi_	having a list property is weird	00:34
GeneralAntilles	ieatlint, just as a general note: none of my views are religiously motivated. ;)	00:34
djszapi_	and that is a sign of considering the model view framework	00:34
gambitrex	djszapi_: please dont go that fast. haha	00:34
djszapi_	you mean this slow ? :p	00:34
gambitrex	djszapi_: :P allow me to explain the whole idea, and then I will tell you why I choose that approach	00:35
djszapi_	still, you could achieve this through a hack with properties	00:35
djszapi_	I just do not recommend	00:35
djszapi_	but technologically viable..	00:36
djszapi_	you could even consider a proxy model for this.	00:37
arcean	MohammadAG, have you seen that? http://meego.gitorious.net/meegotouch/meegotouch-systemui/commit/16f732d44234978d7c23ddebcd6c78423b8398f3	00:37
djszapi_	yep, that is an old joke	00:38
MohammadAG	arcean, nope	00:38
MohammadAG	but it's a decision by management	00:38
arcean	unfortunately :/	00:39
gambitrex	Here in Brazil, phone numbers from a certain area will be added a new digit. It was 011-XXXX-XXXX and in the near future it will be 011-9-XXXX-XXXX. You will need to update ALL phone numbers from 011 area for ALL contacts. Of course, if you do that manually, it would take so much time, and so on. So, I am developing an app that automatically updates all numbers from 011 (adding the '9' after the code) and allowing the user to se	00:39
MohammadAG	led-event-notifier's good :p	00:39
MohammadAG	we had that like 9 years ago	00:40
MohammadAG	054 would become 0544/0546, 052 0522, 050, 0502	00:40
MohammadAG	it was messed up	00:40
djszapi_	gambitrex: so modify the model data	00:40
djszapi_	do not use properties	00:40
gambitrex	which need to be updated. I have sucessfully retrieved all contacts and display them using a ListView (including the avatar). Now I need to display the numbers, with a checkbox	00:41
gambitrex	and somehow access the selected checkboxes in C++	00:41
gambitrex	in order to update the phone numbers	00:41
gambitrex	djszapi_: I dont see how could I modify the model data, since the relationship is 1 to many	00:42
gambitrex	eg. Paul has 4 numbers	00:42
gambitrex	that's why the list property	00:42
djszapi_	so you say, you would property for representing the filesystem?	00:43
djszapi_	instead of tree stuff?	00:43
djszapi_	use*	00:43
djszapi_	I would say, property was designed for this	00:43
djszapi_	when you have a list, or tree (even if just two-level), Modem View Framework that should be used IMO.	00:44
djszapi_	was not designed*	00:44
djszapi_	Model* and ... other typos :)	00:44
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gambitrex	ok. seems like I have another thing to learn about. :-)	00:45
djszapi_	are you displaying the chanfed numbers?	00:45
djszapi_	changed*	00:45
gambitrex	no	00:46
djszapi_	why not?	00:47
gambitrex	it's a quite simple app, which shows the original numbers, some checkboxes so the user can choose which ones will be changed, and a button APPLY	00:47
djszapi_	how will the user know they are really changed?	00:47
gambitrex	when the user tap APPLY, i need to access all checked numbers, and add '9' before the number	00:47
gambitrex	I plan to show a log after processing	00:47
gambitrex	or something	00:48
djszapi_	weird ui design to me	00:48
gambitrex	I am not a ui designer, lol. what do you suggest?	00:49
djszapi_	I would either use a foldable stuff	00:49
djszapi_	or a popup stuff	00:49
djszapi_	but users like making sure	00:49
djszapi_	I mean normal users, not hackers, reading logs..	00:49
gambitrex	yes, I tought about that, but dont you think it would complicate the thing?	00:49
gambitrex	it should be a really quick process	00:49
djszapi_	to make sure everything went fine, visually?	00:49
djszapi_	No, I think, that is a good usability design	00:50
gambitrex	imagine you have like 200 contacts. imagine you folding one by one	00:50
gambitrex	or pop uo one by one	00:50
djszapi_	I have 65k rows	00:50
gambitrex	up*	00:50
djszapi_	in my qml app	00:50
gambitrex	but the user NEED to tap over each one?	00:50
djszapi_	well, they are there for getting ignored totally.	00:51
MohammadAG	way to automate it then :p	00:51
djszapi_	they are not there*	00:51
gambitrex	dont you agree that, in my case, yes. the user need to know every phone number, so the user needs to open EVERY contact?	00:51
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gambitrex	I think if I can avoid he/she open like 200 contacts, it would be better, no?	00:51
MohammadAG	yes	00:52
djszapi_	well, you can make a one-shot application as well	00:52
gambitrex	alos, keep in mind that it is a one time app	00:52
MohammadAG	otherwise they could manually edit one by one	00:52
djszapi_	it really depends on the purpose	00:52
gambitrex	yes	00:52
djszapi_	which you did not share ...	00:52
gambitrex	one-time-use*	00:52
gambitrex	MohammadAG: yes, agreed	00:52
djszapi_	if the app is for preshing a button, you would still need a model anyway	00:53
gambitrex	djszapi_: when you say "model", it means list model? If so, I already have one	00:53
gambitrex	I am able to list all contacts already, each one with its avatar	00:53
djszapi_	no, I do not	00:54
djszapi_	it is clearly a tree	00:54
djszapi_	we agreed upon that long ago...	00:54
djszapi_	i is like I have /home/stuff	00:54
gambitrex	haha, OK. let me read about it	00:54
gambitrex	tree model, right?	00:54
djszapi_	but I do not check out /home/stuff/a /home/stuff/b	00:54
djszapi_	just delete /home/stuff/a with rm -rf	00:54
djszapi_	just because I do not care about the internals, it is still a tree.	00:55
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djszapi_	with this approach, you would use double property system	00:55
djszapi_	since there is no need for the outter either	00:55
djszapi_	with your approach*	00:56
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djszapi_	you just need to learn more about C++/Qt/QML	00:56
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gambitrex	djszapi_: Yes, I'll do that. Thank you for your help.	00:59
Oni^	How to I get frontzero the clock in background screen	01:02
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Oni^	I have it on other screens already	01:05
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Oni^	I want all digital clocks displaying 01:07 instead of 1:07	01:07
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beford	e-yes: awesome 4.1 JB, great work!	01:24
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jpwhiting	djszapi_: googling I found an openntpd for meego/n9 but can't see it in the ovi store, are you aware of a way to get N9 time to sync with ntp server over wifi (we aren't using sim cards yet)	03:23
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buser	anyone know of any network modules for icd with support for VPNs?	03:50
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djszapi_	beford: sup	08:09
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itsnotabigtruck	has anyone noticed any curiosities on their shiny N950s aside from the user agent selector and the gig finder	09:14
itsnotabigtruck	that is, in the shipped pre-beta1 firmware	09:15
Corsac	gig finder?	09:17
itsnotabigtruck	yeah, it's a program that searches for live shows in your area coming up that was pulled for some reason	09:18
Corsac	k	09:18
itsnotabigtruck	it comes on said firmware	09:18
Corsac	ok	09:18
japh	gig finder I haven't found for n950? or what?	09:18
itsnotabigtruck	this seems to be the exact same firmware shown in some of the old doc pages on the nokia site	09:18
Corsac	they were cleaning some stocks	09:18
Corsac	+?	09:22
ZogG_laptop	itsnotabigtruck: i got one there	09:23
ZogG_laptop	itsnotabigtruck: if you seen video browser has icons as history as well	09:23
djszapi_	ZogG_laptop: dude, you never sleep ?	09:23
ZogG_laptop	djszapi_: i didn't go to sleep today	09:24
ZogG_laptop	my friend was here	09:24
ZogG_laptop	and were drinking and talking	09:24
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ZogG_laptop	the funny thing that roomate found out he has morning shift in 7:05 - when it starts at 7 and he still didn't sleep before and was drinking with us	09:25
ZogG_laptop	itsnotabigtruck: you want me to check things before i update?	09:26
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CreamyG31337	ZogG_laptop, itsnotabigtruck has one so go ahead and nuke yours if you want	09:52
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ZogG_laptop	CreamyG31337: yeah, the one you sent him	09:56
ZogG_laptop	thanks btw	09:56
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CreamyG31337	yeah no prob, he helped me a lot and it's not really fair I have extra ones when ppl like him don't	10:01
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ZogG_laptop	it would be nice everyone will think like that	10:04
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kozzi	rzr: ladoga managed to get rtmpdump v2.4 to work	10:08
kozzi	if it's possible could you help him to package it?	10:10
rzr	sure	10:12
rzr	but not now	10:12
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qwazix_900	rzr: ping	10:50
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gabriel9\|work	is there a source of meecast?	10:58
jonni	gabriel9\|work: yes google search gives you git repo	11:03
gabriel9\|work	thanks	11:05
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gabriel9\|work	meecast is written in C :/	11:56
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jonni	gabriel9\|work: well N9 version is C++(Qt/QML) and not C actually	13:03
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gabriel9\|work	i was only interested in weather providers	13:18
gabriel9\|work	i build some app for desktops	13:19
gabriel9\|work	and i cant find free provider... Everyone is limited in some way, req/sec	13:19
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gabriel9\|work	I will translate this app to Serbian	13:22
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clau	has anybody managed to setup pptp on n9 ?	13:47
jonni	clau: there is pptp package in rzr repo	13:51
clau	k, I'll look for it. thanks	13:51
jonni	personnally I just use vpnc	13:52
clau	I already have openvpn	13:52
rzr	that one builds also iirc	13:52
clau	and I've patched it to modify the routing table correctly even over 3g	13:52
clau	also managed to make it connect automatically on network up	13:52
rzr	great	13:52
clau	I'll upload it on the net as soon as I have some time to prepare everything	13:53
rzr	sure	13:53
rzr	ask to rebuild it from sources	13:53
clau	but I still need pptp too :(	13:53
clau	?	13:53
rzr	https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=pptp-linux&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan	13:54
rzr	over there	13:54
clau	thanks	13:55
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rzr	u welcome	14:23
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clau	hmm, I was wondering, where can I find the debian subdir? can't even find it on the debian site	14:28
clau	here: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/pptp-linux	14:28
ladoga	rzr http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1239205&postcount=14	14:28
clau	thanks, but what I meant is that I can only find pptp-linux_1.7.2-7.diff.gz, which contains just diffs	14:29
Corsac	you apply the diff to upstream sources	14:30
kimju	clau, it gets extracted from the debian .diff.gz	14:30
kimju	get the .dsc, orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz, and do dpkg-source -x pptp*dsc	14:30
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kimju	that will extract the upstream source and apply the diff	14:31
clau	k, will do	14:31
clau	I'm obviously not familiar with debian packaging system	14:32
clau	yep, everything's there	14:33
ladoga	rzr t	14:33
azeem	newer Debian source packages have a tarball of the debian/ directory, which is less confuin	14:34
azeem	confusing*	14:34
ladoga	sorry, clumsy thumbs:)	14:34
ladoga	what i was trying to say that rtmpdump builds with libssl1-dev	14:35
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kimju	clau, Debian has quite nice documentation in it's Policy Manual, Developer's Reference and New Maintainers' Guide. see http://www.debian.org/devel/#packaging	14:37
clau	kimju, thanks	14:38
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rzr	ladoga, http://identi.ca/tag/meego	14:41
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vi_	hey	14:57
vi_	can someone link me to the official 'how to flash the n950' guide?	14:58
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jussi	vi__: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/	15:05
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vi__	just found it!	15:09
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vi__	well, it is really annoying to use the keyboard when the screen is ALWAYS forced to portrait.	15:44
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Guest44054	rzr, regarding pptp-linux, it requires ppp. any clue where can I find it?	15:47
jonni	vi__: you mean landscape?	15:47
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vi__	no	15:48
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vi__	I guess I should be IRCing to #harmattan.	15:49
vi__	...but all the cool people hang out here.	15:49
azeem	this is #harmattan?	15:51
jonni	vi__: im tmo there is app which hacks portrait apps to be also landscape, but as most of the apps havent been tested in landscape, then the ui layout is crappy	15:52
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njsf	I think a combination of N9-Tweaks and Home screen settings screwed up my base theme (and maybe blanco too)/	16:14
njsf	I am seeing the home screen in red.	16:14
njsf	Where I can find the PR 1.3 stock base and blanco themes for download ?	16:14
hiemanshu	you'll have to extract it yourself from the image	16:15
hiemanshu	or find the right package from the repos	16:16
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Oni^	http://vesuri.jormas.com/homescreensettings/homescreenbackgroundsettingsproblem.html	16:17
njsf	Oni^: that is the PR1.2	16:20
Oni^	sorry for PR1.3 apt-get install --reinstall meegotouchhome libmeegotouchhome0	16:20
njsf	I am on PR 1.3	16:20
njsf	are you sure nothing changed there in the themes ?	16:21
njsf	BTW I already tried that with no result	16:21
Oni^	sorry for PR1.3 apt-get install --reinstall meegotouchhome-nokia libmeegotouchhome0	16:21
Oni^	missed nokia	16:21
njsf	ok let me try that	16:21
njsf	what do you mean missed nokia ?	16:21
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Oni^	that -nokia thing	16:22
njsf	okay, let me reboot and verify	16:23
Oni^	Is there a way quicken the boot on N9	16:26
njsf	nope, still red background :/	16:27
njsf	any /home/user/.config that may impact this ?	16:27
chem\|st	vi__: get used to swype... you will get used to portrait vkb pretty fast	16:29
chem\|st	I train it by using it for chatting at home, even with desktop available to A train words and B getting used to it	16:30
vi__	chem\|st: But I liek xterm.	16:33
chem\|st	vi__: install finger term	16:33
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chem\|st	huge vkb and as soon as you get used to the delay... it is usable	16:34
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chem\|st	where is vim hidden?	16:34
chem\|st	vi is there... at least...	16:34
chem\|st	how do I set smtp by wifi network?	16:35
vi__	chem\|st: I have NFC.	16:37
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chem\|st	vi__: rzr has it build, meego obs has it, no idea if working or not	16:55
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vi__	chem\|st: how do I enable swype?	16:57
vi__	How do I enable extra repos?	16:57
vi__	why is xterm so slow?	16:57
azeem	which xterm?	16:58
azeem	enable swype is a FAQ	16:58
vi__	If you use open mode do you lose use of all paid for applications?	16:58
vi__	all xterms.	16:58
jonni	swype -> settings, extra repos -> there is no nokia extra repos.	16:58
vi__	mtermite.	16:58
vi__	then wtf is meegos obs?	16:58
azeem	vi__: because you didn't optimize it	16:58
jonni	vi__: community repos	16:59
vi__	because I did not optimise it? WTF is that supposed to mean?	16:59
azeem	vi__: this is a developer channel, what you do think the answer is?	17:00
vi__	-_-	17:01
vi__	Well you sure showed me.	17:02
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njsf	wtf, now I installed home screen settings, and the wallpaper has a redish hue to it	17:25
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ladoga	-	17:32
ladoga	17:02 < vi__> Well you sure showed me.	17:32
ladoga	-	17:32
ladoga	17:02 < vi__> Well you sure showed me.	17:32
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ladoga	sorry	17:39
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ladoga	njsf, amoled burn?	17:41
ladoga	i've noticed something similar when phone's screen is static for long..say over 10min	17:42
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ladoga	but never left it so long it didn't eventually fade back to normal	17:43
njsf	ladoga: no, apps look normal, lock screen looks normal	17:46
njsf	this is localized to home screen	17:46
ladoga	well..i guess that's good. hardware is ok	17:46
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clau	is there a way of loading kernel modules without inception?	17:57
clau	I'm concerned with ppp, but also with iptables	17:57
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jonni	clau: yes in openmod (or if you have signed it as com.nokia.maemo) :)	17:59
clau	I'm mostly searching for a way to do it without hacking, maybe even without devmode	18:00
jonni	clau: then the answer is no.	18:01
clau	that's sad :\|	18:01
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ptl	clau, you brazilian?	18:02
clau	no	18:02
clau	why?	18:02
ptl	thought you were claudio (a brazilian linux developer). that is also my name.	18:03
clau	no, I'm Romanian	18:03
clau	for some reason in Romania we use the 'u' ending :)	18:04
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ptl	your name is 'clau'?	18:04
clau	now that it's clear that pptp can't be used easily, I wonder why it has to use a kernel component; after all openvpn seems to be working just fine without a kernel module	18:05
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clau	granted, even mpd5 on fbsd uses a kernel module	18:05
clau	Claudiu	18:05
clau	(didn't realize I don't have my complete name in information)	18:05
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chem\|st	vi__: swype is settings -> time and language -> text input	18:08
chem\|st	vi__: and you might want to alter /usr/share/swype/data/SwypeConfig.ini http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80573	18:09
chem\|st	njsf: you did mess with N9tweak or something?	18:09
chem\|st	njsf: use whatever you used to mess it up to fix it?!	18:10
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njsf	chem\|st: yes, and I did try to use the N9tweak "go to defaults"	18:10
njsf	to no avail	18:10
njsf	guess I'll have to check the scripts and see where they touch	18:11
chem\|st	njsf: try setting it "not using" "go to defaults"	18:11
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chem\|st	vi__: apps.formeego.org is probably what you are looking for	18:12
chem\|st	vi__: in terms of extras	18:12
vi__	chem\|st: did you get n9 or n950?	18:15
vi__	also, cheers.	18:15
njsf	chem\|st: I _did_ already	18:15
clau	can anybody recommend a better headset for n9? maybe my expectations are a bit too high, but the sound quality is a bit lacking	18:17
vi__	clau: sorry bro, this is a developers ONLY channel.	18:19
vi__	No chit chat please.	18:19
clau	oh, wasn't aware	18:19
vi__	clau: Only joking.	18:20
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clau	wasn't aware of that either :P	18:20
leinir	hmm... i find that my not-too-pricey Sandberg Street Gear headphones are pretty good, but it depends on what you're after, of course :)	18:21
clau	hmm, I'll see if I can find any around here	18:21
leinir	you'll likely find it easier to find Skullcandy ones... i really liked my HESH pair, but they sort of disintegrated, because my head's too big for them, apparently ;)	18:23
clau	:D	18:23
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vi__	<azeem> vi__: this is a developer channel, what you do think the answer is?	18:26
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leinir	Ha, easy - developers need good headphones, who /else/ would you ask for advice on which ones are good? ;)	18:27
Proxypoke	would this be an appropriate place for N9 flashing related questions?	18:28
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clau	:)	18:29
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clau	hmm, the freebsd implementation of ppp is entirely userland and it uses tun	18:34
clau	I wonder how hard it would be to port it to harmattan	18:34
clau	well, to linux in general	18:35
azeem	vi__: my point was that asking "why is XY slow?" is not a very useful question, sorry if it came along wrong	18:36
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ladoga	your u ending comes from latin me thinks...you just dropped the s	18:51
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ladoga	claudiu, claudius :) it originates from word claudus, which means lame	18:55
ptl	yeah... having lame in one's own name -> not a good thing.	18:58
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ladoga	romans played jokes with nick names	19:01
ladoga	even Caesar means "hairy"	19:01
ladoga	it's supposed to be because the guy was becoming bald at young age	19:01
clau	have you seen Life of Brian?	19:01
clau	Claudius was an emperor, and he had a limp	19:02
clau	so I suppose there's a connection	19:02
ptl	I have	19:02
ladoga	so it's funny emperors across the europe wanted be called Hairy after him:)	19:02
clau	there was a scene about names in it	19:02
ptl	All I remember from that sketch is Dickus Maximus.	19:02
clau	yeah, that's the one :)	19:02
ptl	something like that	19:02
ladoga	good film:)	19:02
clau	biggus dickus, I think	19:03
ptl	yeah, that was the name	19:03
clau	lemme youtube it	19:03
clau	think this is it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGb4STRfKw	19:03
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ptl	lol	19:05
clau	:D	19:07
ZogG_laptop	vi__: did you get your device already?	19:10
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ZogG_laptop	hmm flasher fails to flash my n950	19:53
beford	OCF ?	19:56
ZogG_laptop	yes	19:57
ZogG_laptop	beford: hi first of all btw =)	19:57
beford	:/	19:57
beford	heya	19:57
beford	:P	19:57
ZogG_laptop	=)	19:57
beford	you are using OCF for 1.2 right? I think GeneralAntilles had issues and he was using the wrong OCF	19:57
ZogG_laptop	SU_BEGIN_ERASE_REQ timed out and ERROR: Failed to erase MMC using 'secure' metho	19:58
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ZogG_laptop	beford: got one from site, global 1.2 and started than it saying that it's erasing and than in few minutes it fails	19:58
beford	~n950	19:59
beford	~firmware-n950	19:59
beford	~flashing-n950	19:59
GeneralAntilles	~n950-firmware	19:59
infobot	i guess n950-firmware is The latest OneClickFlasher for the Nokia N950 is available from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/	19:59
beford	so close	19:59
ZogG_laptop	GeneralAntilles: i use that one	19:59
GeneralAntilles	~firmware-n950 is The latest OneClickFlasher for the Nokia N950 is available from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/	19:59
infobot	okay, GeneralAntilles	19:59
ZogG_laptop	Harmattan 1.2 (3.2012.02-6, released 2012-01-25) -> Linux / Global957 MiB94876a626689f59a59befe55581452ad	20:00
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ZogG_laptop	~n950 is limited developer kit device from Nokia on Harmattan. To know about flashing — ~flashing-n950	20:01
infobot	ZogG_laptop: okay	20:01
ZogG_laptop	GeneralAntilles: what problem u had?	20:02
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GeneralAntilles	ZogG_laptop, not the same one you're having.	20:02
ZogG_laptop	maybe i need to try to flash to 1.1?	20:02
beford	http://samulitech.blogspot.com/2011/12/saving-bricked-n950.html	20:03
beford	that seems related ZogG_laptop	20:04
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ZogG_laptop	beford: thanks, it works	20:12
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ZogG_laptop	nice progress bar it has btw	20:12
ZogG_laptop	didn't have it on n9 afaik	20:12
ZogG_laptop	aaaaand it's gone	20:13
ZogG_laptop	flashed i mean =P	20:13
beford	nice	20:17
ZogG_laptop	beford: now i need to try openmode/nitdroid/nemo =)	20:19
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ZogG_laptop	kozzi: ping	21:56
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ZogG_laptop	niwakame\|away: ping	22:36
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jonni	heh, did a bit of experiment on ram&swap handling, changed the default 750MB RAM + 250MB RAM-swap to 1GB RAM + 466MB MTD-swap. (As there is almost 500MB MTD flash partition unused on the device) :)	22:51
jonni	now I have lots of free RAM :)	22:52
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ZogG_laptop	jonni: n9?	22:54
jonni	tested both n9 and n950 :)	22:54
ZogG_laptop	jonni: ping Nokia guys to release the pr1.3 for n950 =)	22:54
ZogG_laptop	or leak it	22:54
ZogG_laptop	=P	22:54
jonni	ofcourse it kills onenand faster, but I dont care, since I have spare :)	22:54
ZogG_laptop	i reflashed mine with 1.2 btw already	22:54
ZogG_laptop	n950 screen colours are way different from n9 btw	22:54
ZogG_laptop	jonni: send one to e-eyes	22:55
jonni	heh	22:57
ZogG_laptop	u gonna win one more in coding thing probably	22:58
ZogG_laptop	or you building the wall with them and you need them?	22:58
jonni	lets see, competition might be tight	22:58
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ZogG_laptop	i hope it would be tight because of a lot good apps	22:59
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* Arkenoi wonders if it is possible to find n950 screen for replacement, mine got artifacts		23:15
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Oni^	anyone have working q3config.cfg for ioquake3	23:17
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heymaster-laptop	JavaScript and Qt objects ?	23:53
heymaster-laptop	same as QML ? or not ?	23:54
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