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| djszapi_ | jonni: that expensive for a dead phone ? :) | 00:00 |
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| jonni | well its cheap compared for launch prices :) | 00:01 |
| jonni | and newest pr release is pretty stable, so you get couple years of pretty decent phone experience. Yes, there is no successor, but if people like working email, chat and phonecalls with apps that cover most common usecases, then its pretty nice. | 00:03 |
| * djszapi_ will wait for a new phone instead | 00:04 | |
| djszapi_ | unsure which phrase the ubuntu phone is for instance | 00:04 |
| djszapi_ | in* | 00:04 |
| jonni | new iPhone :) | 00:04 |
| djszapi_ | how strong is the qt support on that? | 00:05 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: don't you have N9? | 00:05 |
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| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: the answer is not public, sorry. | 00:10 |
| djszapi_ | :) | 00:10 |
| djszapi_ | well, I do have one, but it is a bit scretchy so I need to look for a new phone soon unless I fall back to existing symbian, n900, old htc desire or other boring stuff which I will probably not. | 00:11 |
| djszapi_ | though the phone is not for phoning to me, but more like surfing on the internet :D | 00:12 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: wait for what jolla can show you | 00:19 |
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| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: keep shaking me up from the graveyard | 00:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | meh, i think they are nt that stupid to open new company and bet everyithin just on something dead | 00:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | as well as zombie never dies | 00:21 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: this synonym how I could describe that waiting: http://qtmemes.tumblr.com/post/23661370122/weve-all-been-there-elburger | 00:21 |
| ieatlint | i doubt they'll go beyond niche, but it could result in a buyout that does well for the employees | 00:22 |
| jonni | djszapi_: well qt is in a rought times too, since if no company will start paying for qt developement or hire the developers when nokia cuts funding, then... atleast development will be quite much slower if devel changes to community based only. | 00:22 |
| djszapi_ | jonni: that is incorrect | 00:22 |
| jonni | heh, that reminds me to update my CV :) | 00:22 |
| djszapi_ | luckily enough | 00:22 |
| djszapi_ | Qt is not the only one paying for Qt development | 00:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: meh, no effects or anyhting | 00:23 |
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| djszapi_ | I was also paid for that | 00:23 |
| djszapi_ | without working in any sense for Nokia. | 00:23 |
| djszapi_ | but there are tons of others. | 00:23 |
| djszapi_ | and not just small subcontractors. | 00:24 |
| ieatlint | the commit logs already show the majority of qt work comes from nokia.. a lot from elsewhere, but we're still talking more than 2/3rds from nokia | 00:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: be strong | 00:24 |
| djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: lol | 00:24 |
| jonni | yes there are tons of companies using qt and paying for devel, just saying that commit speed will decrease. | 00:24 |
| djszapi_ | jonni: except that, if those people go to other companies | 00:24 |
| ieatlint | especially since a lot of the other companies relied on nokia contracts that have since disappeared | 00:24 |
| djszapi_ | but yeah, will decrease some, but oh well | 00:25 |
| djszapi_ | it is more qt project'ish without a leader company anyways | 00:25 |
| djszapi_ | I feel this much better. | 00:25 |
| ieatlint | there's currently a scramble to see who gets the rights to qt, and that will be the real tell | 00:25 |
| djszapi_ | few companies are recruiting Qt devs heavily fwiw | 00:25 |
| ieatlint | a lot are, from what i've seen | 00:25 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: well, it is clear to me | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | Qt Foundation is the way to go | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | I did not see anything disagreeing | 00:26 |
| ieatlint | i know netflix was heavily courting the people out here in california | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | anybody* | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | the Qt community at the summit agreed upon that | 00:26 |
| azeem | well, Qt devs can be two things, (i) people who develop Qt, (ii) people who develop *with* Qt | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | same at aKademy I talked to. | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | azeem: no | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | kde devs are kde devs | 00:26 |
| ieatlint | djszapi_: i don't recall a real consensus on that, and regardless, there's concern that there isn't enough time to form such a foundation | 00:26 |
| djszapi_ | qt devs are qt devs | 00:27 |
| azeem | oh sorry | 00:27 |
| djszapi_ | meego devs are meego devs | 00:27 |
| azeem | every Qt developer is a Qt hacker | 00:27 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: well, you have missed the Qt Foundation session | 00:27 |
| djszapi_ | there was a real consensus there. | 00:27 |
| ieatlint | djszapi_: then it's particularly funny i'm not too aware considering who proposed it :P | 00:28 |
| jonni | heh, and ofcourse Nokia can just decide that Qt is a danger to windows sales, and keep the rights and not give them out :) | 00:28 |
| djszapi_ | jonni: they cannot | 00:28 |
| djszapi_ | the stuff will go to KDE | 00:28 |
| djszapi_ | with BSD | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | and fork will happen anyway | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | it is just details ... | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | the formality | 00:29 |
| ieatlint | probably | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | the point is that, the community wanna have this under a foundation | 00:29 |
| djszapi_ | just linux the linux foundation works. | 00:29 |
| ieatlint | there's still a distant chance intel will take it, but yeah, most likely a fork | 00:29 |
| ieatlint | well, no, the qt foundation wasn't supposed to be like the linux foundation | 00:29 |
| ieatlint | the qt foundation was proposed to have real funding, and employ qt devs | 00:30 |
| ieatlint | whereas the linux foundation doesn't employee devs | 00:30 |
| djszapi_ | the linux foundation has real funding, and employ linux devs.... | 00:30 |
| djszapi_ | ofc it does | 00:30 |
| djszapi_ | Thiago said I think 600 | 00:30 |
| djszapi_ | at the session | 00:30 |
| djszapi_ | which is not a small amount | 00:30 |
| ieatlint | my understanding is that companies like intel commit employees to working on linux, but they're still intel employees | 00:31 |
| azeem | that's not the linux foundation | 00:31 |
| azeem | Linus and Morton work for the Linux Foundation, period | 00:31 |
| azeem | Greg KH as well now, I think | 00:31 |
| azeem | and others | 00:31 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: well, the idea is that there would be of course companies around | 00:32 |
| ieatlint | well, i may be wrong, but anyway, the foundation is moving too slow, and the assumption is that nokia will be making a decision in the next couple months | 00:32 |
| djszapi_ | but there would also be a core team in one place. | 00:32 |
| djszapi_ | and you would need to pay X percentages for commercial stuff | 00:32 |
| djszapi_ | and would not be tight to Digia | 00:32 |
| djszapi_ | or FooBar. | 00:32 |
| djszapi_ | sounds fair model to me. | 00:32 |
| djszapi_ | and way more open governed model than the Nokia stuff | 00:33 |
| ieatlint | sure... and the rumours say that digia's commercial licencing contract ends with qt5 | 00:33 |
| djszapi_ | they keep saying it is open governance, but only Nokia guys own the sysadmin stuff etc | 00:33 |
| djszapi_ | it is not fully yet... | 00:33 |
| ptl | Maybe they just separate companies and, like, make a new one just for Qt. It could have a name like - I don't know - trolltech? | 00:33 |
| djszapi_ | ptl: that is what we would like to avoid | 00:34 |
| djszapi_ | the community would like to avoid the company driven stuff | 00:34 |
| * ieatlint shrugs | 00:34 | |
| djszapi_ | hence, qt foundation. | 00:34 |
| ptl | is it desirable? | 00:34 |
| djszapi_ | yes, very | 00:34 |
| ieatlint | my money is on digia getting it, and people getting angry and forking it | 00:34 |
| djszapi_ | pretty much everybody agreed there at the contributor summit from what I can tell. | 00:34 |
| ieatlint | only question is if digia sees the fallout that would occur and declines | 00:35 |
| djszapi_ | even Digia | 00:35 |
| ieatlint | digia was barely there | 00:35 |
| djszapi_ | Tuukka saw the same way | 00:35 |
| djszapi_ | sorry ? | 00:35 |
| djszapi_ | the Qt Director was in the first row | 00:35 |
| djszapi_ | right next to thiago iirc | 00:35 |
| ieatlint | yeah, about 5 people | 00:35 |
| djszapi_ | yeah, the people who decide... | 00:35 |
| ieatlint | dunno about that | 00:36 |
| djszapi_ | then you now know :) | 00:37 |
| ieatlint | well, i know tuuka isn't going to decide what digia does :P | 00:37 |
| djszapi_ | first, do not mispell his nme | 00:37 |
| djszapi_ | name* | 00:37 |
| djszapi_ | second, he decides about the future of Qt in Digia | 00:37 |
| djszapi_ | since he is the director | 00:37 |
| ieatlint | heh, you're impressively defensive.. my typo wasn't a slight on him | 00:38 |
| ieatlint | and i know him, he's local to me now, and i've seen him at countless meetups | 00:38 |
| ieatlint | he's a great guy | 00:38 |
| ieatlint | but my understanding of his position does not make him a director, something that indeed digia's own website confirms when i look him up on it | 00:39 |
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| djszapi_ | whether it is fork or not, that is details | 00:40 |
| djszapi_ | what matters to me here is, how the Qt Foundation can stand up and get mature | 00:40 |
| djszapi_ | I have not seen much movement since aKademy, but oh well: this is summer time after all. | 00:41 |
| ieatlint | crazy europeans taking the entire summer off :P | 00:41 |
| djszapi_ | so I am not a "crazy european", yay :) | 00:42 |
| ieatlint | yeah, well, the average american can't locate your home country a map, so it doesn't count :P | 00:43 |
| ieatlint | (that's the advantage to unilaterally dictating such things to the world :) | 00:44 |
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| djszapi_ | which country do they know in Europe? | 00:44 |
| jonni | "europe" the area above africa :) | 00:47 |
| ieatlint | we can pretty much identify england (but not the uk), ireland, france, germany, italy and spain | 00:48 |
| ieatlint | a few people can identify amsterdam, but not the netherlands | 00:48 |
| djszapi_ | lol | 00:50 |
| ieatlint | you think i'm kidding? :P | 00:50 |
| djszapi_ | well, Europe is difficult continent :p | 00:52 |
| djszapi_ | a* | 00:52 |
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| ptl | "above" -> not if your globe has the north down. | 01:14 |
| ptl | the developed countries are not "above" the developing countries. This is a culturally imposed convention. | 01:15 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: what's up | 03:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also did anyone figure out jesuschrist's libdevmapper problem? | 03:31 |
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| admiral0 | hi itsnotabigtruck | 03:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 'sup admiral0 | 03:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not a lot | 03:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just got home | 03:39 |
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| admiral0 | ':) | 03:39 |
| admiral0 | i'm about to go to sleep lol | 03:39 |
| admiral0 | 2:40 AM here | 03:39 |
| beford | hey admiral0 | 03:40 |
| beford | long time no see | 03:40 |
| admiral0 | yea | 03:40 |
| admiral0 | life got fucked up... | 03:40 |
| admiral0 | how are you beford? | 03:41 |
| faenil | admiral0, 2.40 here too | 03:41 |
| faenil | I'm damn tired | 03:41 |
| faenil | cya people | 03:41 |
| faenil | good night! | 03:42 |
| admiral0 | 'nite | 03:42 |
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| beford | shit happened? | 03:43 |
| admiral0 | got dumped by my now ex gf | 03:43 |
| admiral0 | a lot of exams... | 03:43 |
| beford | that sucks | 03:45 |
| admiral0 | yeah | 03:48 |
| admiral0 | nvm, i met another girl | 03:48 |
| admiral0 | and got friendzoned | 03:48 |
| admiral0 | ಠ_ಠ | 03:49 |
| beford | that sucks even more | 03:51 |
| beford | xD | 03:51 |
| admiral0 | i know | 03:52 |
| admiral0 | :D | 03:52 |
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| djszapi_ | beford: hi | 05:23 |
| beford | hey djszapi_, how is it going | 05:23 |
| djszapi_ | just waken up, but wanted to ask the same :) | 05:23 |
| beford | hehe, its 9pm here, so tired of working | 05:24 |
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| sigmaorion | I loaded the certificate, I installed it, selected WiFi in the list | 05:31 |
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| ArkanoiD_ | oops, seems that i get a cluster of dead pixels on my n950. i've heared it is a common problem? | 11:50 |
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| dm8tbr | ArkanoiD_: yes, happens. at least for me it went away again after 1-2 months. but that seems to have been an isolated case. | 12:04 |
| ArkanoiD_ | dm8tbr, how did yours look like? mine is a series of short vertical (from landscape point of view) black lines. And you may see it as black even on all-black screen when just backlight is on! | 12:06 |
| ArkanoiD_ | so it is darker than "regular black" | 12:07 |
| ArkanoiD_ | btw found this: http://uk-repair.com/repair-nokia/nokia-repair/nokia-nokia-n950-repair/3196.html | 12:07 |
| ArkanoiD_ | what is it? bullshit? | 12:07 |
| dm8tbr | it started out as a line across 2/3 of the screen. then pixels above the line started to flip to black | 12:07 |
| dm8tbr | until that line was black too and it went to the next line | 12:08 |
| dm8tbr | at some point it was 4-6 lines and 4/5th across | 12:08 |
| dm8tbr | and then it suddenly faded away | 12:08 |
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| kevin_b | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/07/17/0024240/it-costs-450-in-marketing-to-make-someone-buy-a-49-nokia-lumia | 14:53 |
| pokk_ | hi all, where can I discuss the future of nokia n9/meego and jolla, which irc/twitter channel is appropriate :) | 14:56 |
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| jabis | pokk_: #jollamobile #mer | 15:26 |
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| tazz | although i dont think jolla will do anything for n9 | 15:29 |
| kevin_b | anyway to get google+ notifications in the common feeds view | 15:31 |
| pokk_ | tazz: i dunno how "open" will be their os.. | 15:32 |
| pokk_ | tazz: but then if one can boot android on n9, why not jolla os too ? | 15:32 |
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| tazz | pokk_, because of licensing issues. | 15:33 |
| chem|st | o/ | 15:36 |
| chem|st | so I moved from n900 to n9 and have some issues, someone may enlighten me: | 15:36 |
| tazz | o\ | 15:36 |
| chem|st | smpt by wifi-connection? | 15:37 |
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| chem|st | sync calendars from n900 to n9 without shifting starting times? | 15:37 |
| chem|st | is there a way to become root or alter files with root permission outside of devel-mode | 15:38 |
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| Oni^ | does 'devel-su -' work? | 15:40 |
| chem|st | lmc | 15:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: got device? | 15:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | mazal tov | 15:41 |
| chem|st | Oni^: nope | 15:41 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: yes.. the second to be precise, have to send one back though broken oled and buggy third of the TS | 15:42 |
| faenil | does anyone of you use gnuplot? | 15:42 |
| chem|st | faenil: define use | 15:43 |
| faenil | well I'm looking for help :D | 15:43 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: you could guide me if you like... I am so darn lost... maemo has everything well documented for fremantle but not for harmattan | 15:43 |
| chem|st | ah and last but not least move passwords from "password safe" to a program available for n9, tried MeePasswords but that didn't work out | 15:44 |
| Oni^ | howto get ssh in to N9, I can get out from it but not in | 15:45 |
| chem|st | or is "password safe" available somewhere? | 15:45 |
| chem|st | Oni^: there is only openssh-client installed by default you need a server and passwords set for user iirc | 15:45 |
| chem|st | not even through with setting it up but already sitting at the front support desk ;) | 15:46 |
| Oni^ | I have installed server but I how to get it run | 15:47 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: is harmattan-dev repo a must? seems like the installer does not work | 15:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: is it n950 or n9? | 15:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | i just a second ago got n950 | 15:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | does it come without charger? | 15:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | i only see device and usb cable | 15:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | it was just opened before (seems by customs) | 15:51 |
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| divan | hello. did anyone flash N950 with a pr1.3 firmware? | 15:53 |
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| MohammadAG | no, there's no image | 15:56 |
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| divan | MohammadAG, I saw an images for N9, are they such different? | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | yes, they won't flash | 15:58 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: it only comes with the usb cable | 15:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: so it's phone +usb cable only? | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | and a quick start guide | 15:59 |
| divan | MohammadAG, ah, gracias | 15:59 |
| jonni | I've flasher my N950 with pr1.3 ;) | 15:59 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: yep | 15:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: they oppened it in customs and opened in barvatian way =\ | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG | jonni, with a public image? | 15:59 |
| divan | jonni, really? and it works? | 15:59 |
| jonni | MohammadAG: non-public :) | 15:59 |
| arcean | internal :) | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG | then stfu :p | 15:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 15:59 |
| divan | I just breaker N950 and need to reflash, so choosing an image. | 15:59 |
| divan | s/breaker/broke/ | 16:00 |
| infobot | divan meant: I just broke N950 and need to reflash, so choosing an image. | 16:00 |
| jonni | divan: you'll want to flash 2-6 | 16:00 |
| arcean | what if we would repack 1.2beta image with 1.3 content? | 16:00 |
| divan | jonni, PR2.6? o_0 | 16:00 |
| divan | ) | 16:00 |
| jonni | divan: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ | 16:01 |
| divan | jonni, yeah, I realized. thanks ) | 16:01 |
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| MohammadAG | I wonder how one could hide a status menu widget | 16:01 |
| jonni | arcean: adventorous people install 1.2beta, then patch autoremove file, and update to N9 PR1.3 repo urls | 16:01 |
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| arcean | jonni: I know, I'm just wondering If simple exchaning image content would work | 16:03 |
| arcean | without touching the certs | 16:03 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: congrats, at finally getting the device | 16:03 |
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| divan | jonni, what is autoremove file? | 16:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: it was stuck in customs as they DHL are idiots | 16:04 |
| jonni | arcean: yes, most likely you can just first flash 1.2beta, then extrat rootfs from pr1.3 image, and use -a pr12beta.algo -r rootfs -f to flash the pr1.3 rootfs on top of beta2 | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | Now you see why I bitch at Israel? | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | don't forget kernel | 16:04 |
| jonni | ah yes -k kernel append :) | 16:05 |
| jonni | but that will trigger open mode | 16:05 |
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| jonni | so if you want to remain in closed mode, you patch autoremove and switch repoes | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | jonni, even if it's the PR1.3 kernel? | 16:05 |
| arcean | jonni: thanks :) We will have to write tutorial for the N950 owners :) | 16:06 |
| jonni | MohammadAG: hmm, I havent tested, but afaik there were no api breaks between pr1.2 and pr1.3 kernels. Maybe I have to start experimenting with one of my extra n950s :) | 16:07 |
| jonni | abi | 16:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm N950 has apps out-of-box that n9 doesnt have | 16:07 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i have 1.2011.15-7_PR_RM680 | 16:10 |
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| MohammadAG | jonni, send me one? :P | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, Beta 1 | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | err | 16:14 |
| arcean | Beta -1 :D | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | I mean beta 1 has them | 16:14 |
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| MohammadAG | they'll be removed later | 16:14 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: apps the n9 does not have? | 16:14 |
| chem|st | ah.. | 16:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: Gig finder | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | what | 16:14 |
| chem|st | I had pr1.2beta on N9 | 16:14 |
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| MohammadAG | that's new | 16:15 |
| chem|st | 28.2012 something | 16:15 |
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| MohammadAG | 22-6 is beta1 | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, what's gig finder? | 16:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i have this app there | 16:15 |
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| ZogG_laptop | and few aml examples | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | qml | 16:15 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: finding the next band gig in your area | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | We never had that in beta1 | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | you have something older | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, check total storage | 16:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: yeah it looks wierd. icons different and the UI icons | 16:16 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, screenshot? | 16:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: do we have scrot here? | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | scrot? | 16:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | yes | 16:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: it's console app for screenshots | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | no idea about that | 16:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 16:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | virtual keyboard looks here totally different | 16:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | don't special keys on keyboard should be different colour? | 16:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't have ovi store | 16:21 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i don't have ovi store to install screenshots app =) | 16:22 |
| jonni | just flash new version over the ancient one :) | 16:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i want to check things first =) | 16:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: and why flash if i can use ota | 16:23 |
| arcean | ZogG_laptop: try Ctrl+Shift+P to take a screenshot | 16:23 |
| jonni | this is not the beta0 that you are looking for... move along :) | 16:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: and give me internal p1.3 for n950 so i can flash =) | 16:24 |
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| jonni | is that version offering ota update? :) | 16:25 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i don't think they invented OTA than =) | 16:26 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: are you interested in specific imgs? | 16:30 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hmm i have SDK files on it for linux/mac/win | 16:34 |
| arcean | ZogG_laptop: take screenshot of everything which is different :P | 16:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean: i don't know what is not different | 16:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | first n950 | 16:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean: and ctrl+shift+p works not everywhere (not inside all apps/screens) + i don't see them in gallery, where does it saves | 16:36 |
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| arcean | ZogG_laptop: the UI on the N950 should be the same as on N9 | 16:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean: i added twitter account to upload pictures, but it doesn't have twitter app here =) | 16:40 |
| arcean | heh | 16:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | and when mounting to comp i have ADK, cities and core-dumps folders =) | 16:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | no MyDocs thing | 16:41 |
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| arcean | ZogG_laptop: grab PR1.2beta and if you're brave try to update to 1.3 :D | 16:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean: 1.2 first and than i think i'll go with open-mode so i can dual boot | 16:43 |
| arcean | ZogG_laptop: also patches from Vesuri might be interesting http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85425 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85425 | 16:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | thanks | 16:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | bb in 15 mins | 16:44 |
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| salout | Which ffmpeg-command gives best video results on N9? | 16:45 |
| salout | I want to convert some videos with respect to screen size and supported video formats. | 16:46 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lol | 16:49 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i have icons in browser for history | 16:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | and share button when pushing down page | 16:51 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lol | 16:51 |
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| ZogG_laptop | arcean: ^ | 16:51 |
| arcean | :D | 16:51 |
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| arcean | hmm | 16:56 |
| arcean | ZogG_laptop: what's the max resolution in Camera app? | 16:57 |
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| djszapi | anybody good at perl thingy? | 17:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | arcean: wait a sec | 17:04 |
| arcean | k | 17:04 |
| djszapi | so do we know the big news about jolla? | 17:04 |
| azeem | ? | 17:05 |
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| azeem | djszapi: what big news? | 17:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean: 7,6 and 3 | 17:05 |
| divan | Hmm.. when switching N950 on, it doesn't show "Nokia" logo and doesn't say nothing to the USB (at least dmesg shows nothing). Only white led appears, but disappears in a minute or so. | 17:06 |
| divan | The same behavior when connecting to the wall charger. | 17:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean: i can make short overview with recording video with n9 if you want | 17:06 |
| arcean | ahh, you know that the N950 has 12MPix sensor? | 17:06 |
| arcean | ZogG_laptop: would be awesome:D | 17:06 |
| djszapi | azeem: no clue someone was telling that earlier here, there was going to be something | 17:07 |
| azeem | maybe http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/16/jolla-signs-china-meego-deal/ ? | 17:07 |
| azeem | that's not super-recent though | 17:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | arcean: it would take some time to upload =) | 17:26 |
| arcean | ZogG_laptop: np, and thanks :) | 17:26 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: sup | 17:26 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: just got my n950 | 17:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean: so n950 camera is better than n9? | 17:31 |
| arcean | ZogG_laptop: I've never compared them, but n950 has also much larger sensor | 17:32 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: for 2k ? | 17:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: for free from nokia | 17:34 |
| admiral0 | :O | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | how does one launch a settings applet? | 17:35 |
| djszapi | from? | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | anything | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | DBus I guess | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | like clicking the bluetooth applet opens the settings applet for bt | 17:37 |
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| ladoga | ZogG_laptop: is there import command (from imagemagick)? | 17:40 |
| ladoga | ZogG_laptop: I've used it for taking screenshots and I don't remember installing it | 17:41 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ladoga: i think imagemagick can make it, but i just went with making crappy video | 17:46 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: 2 sec I remember the docs | 17:46 |
| shanttu | how to kill/restart desktop (using ssh) on n9? | 17:46 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Best_practices_for_application_development_Storing_and_managing_application_settings_Example_of_managing_settings_with_Control_Panel_Applets.html#Opening_the_Control_Panel_Applet_from_the_application | 17:49 |
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| ladoga | shanttu: killall meegotouchhome ? | 18:18 |
| ladoga | if you mean restarting the UI...that's what I do | 18:19 |
| ladoga | the process will restart automatically | 18:19 |
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| shanttu | ladoga, exactly that, thanks. | 18:22 |
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| chem|st | merlin1991: T-? | 18:30 |
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| chem|st | back in 20... | 18:31 |
| merlin1991 | chem|st: somewhere around 19-20 I guess | 18:32 |
| chem|st | kk | 18:32 |
| ladoga | shanttu: it's also useful if you change apps in the quick launch bar | 18:32 |
| ladoga | changes take effect only by restarting it | 18:32 |
| ladoga | save reboot ofcourse | 18:32 |
| ladoga | but who wants to reboot? :) | 18:33 |
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| shanttu | ladoga, =) | 18:39 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, I already figured it out and released | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | but thanks :) | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | forks caused a device to be bricked | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | well, needs a reflash | 18:49 |
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| rlinfati | Hi, i had a problem with a n9 device, when i plug the usb to the laptop, the screen do not detect my touch, i unplug the usb and work fine again... | 18:53 |
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| Namek | Do you know how harmattan or maemo stores the icon position on the app grid? | 20:17 |
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| louisdk | Hi :P | 20:50 |
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| louisdk | Anyone alive? :P | 21:27 |
| niwakame | Obviously not | 21:27 |
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| niwakame | oO | 21:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | niwakame: sup | 21:28 |
| niwakame | too much work atm :'( | 21:28 |
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| niwakame | You still happy with your unique facial hairstyle? :P | 21:30 |
| louisdk | Does a case (not a cover) that designed for E7 fits the N950? | 21:30 |
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| MohammadAG | should, yes | 21:43 |
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| louisdk | Then I don't get this: Case for N950 (SIze M): http://bit.ly/NCj7fg - Case for E7 (Size XXXL): http://bit.ly/NCj7fg | 21:58 |
| louisdk | wait 2 sec | 22:00 |
| louisdk | The E7 case (Size XXXL): http://bit.ly/Q2NhZY | 22:01 |
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| ZogG_laptop | arcean_: here? | 22:20 |
| arcean_ | ZogG_laptop: yes | 22:21 |
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| ZogG_laptop | arcean_: http://youtu.be/UOn4XbKFtj0 | 22:51 |
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| ZogG_laptop | arcean_: ping again | 23:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean_: http://youtu.be/UOn4XbKFtj0 | 23:07 |
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| arcean | ZogG_laptop, thanks :) | 23:08 |
| arcean | wow, symbian-like icons | 23:09 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i think should i chheck more things or update | 23:12 |
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| arcean | ZogG_laptop, post the video on TMO :P | 23:12 |
| arcean | hmm, I like the status menu with that blue border on the bottom :D | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | arcean: and orange for transfer | 23:13 |
| arcean | yeah | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | should i make new thread or just post on n950 club | 23:14 |
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| arcean | cool & interesting video :) | 23:17 |
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| niwakame | ZogG_laptop: Congrats again! | 23:20 |
| niwakame | Is the display quality very different from the N9? | 23:20 |
| djszapi_ | gz to? | 23:22 |
| djszapi_ | gz for? | 23:22 |
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| arcean | niwakame, javispedro wrote about n950 & n9 screens http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1238618&postcount=58 | 23:23 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: talked to an american who knew where Hungarian would reside on the map :) | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | PenTile is pure evil. | 23:24 |
| niwakame | So it's actually better, huh? | 23:24 |
| arcean | niwakame: for me, yes it's better :) | 23:25 |
| niwakame | Seems like I have to enter that coding competition :P | 23:25 |
| arcean | haha, yeah | 23:25 |
| ieatlint | djszapi_: impressive :P | 23:25 |
| niwakame | IF I'd win at a category, I will surely get ANOTHER N9 | 23:25 |
| niwakame | :P | 23:25 |
| niwakame | That's how luck works in my life | 23:25 |
| arcean | so, welcome to the club :D | 23:26 |
| niwakame | And it's frustrating to see my N9 charge only up to 94% | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | djszapi_, can you point to Pennsylvania on a map? | 23:26 |
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| * RST38h can point PA on a map but isn't quite sure it is a good thing | 23:27 | |
| RST38h | Actually, same goes for .HU | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, you've lived in the area. Doesn't count. :P | 23:27 |
| djszapi_ | GeneralAntilles: to be honest, just roughly. | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | djszapi_, it's got 3 million more people than Hungary. | 23:28 |
| RST38h | General: Americans, not people. I do not think he counts those. | 23:28 |
| djszapi_ | that is why I can do only roughly. I do not care about people :) | 23:28 |
| * RST38h cackles | 23:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . yes. | 23:29 |
| djszapi_ | so it is about the one third of Finland ... | 23:30 |
| djszapi_ | in terms of area. | 23:30 |
| djszapi_ | I personally dislike the high density.. | 23:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How about Wyoming? | 23:31 |
| * ieatlint can | 23:32 | |
| ieatlint | but i'm not proud about it | 23:32 |
| djszapi_ | can of wine ? :) | 23:32 |
| niwakame | I think you're comparing on the wrong level | 23:32 |
| ieatlint | they have cans of wine here | 23:33 |
| niwakame | Point to a state in Hungary / Finland (if they have) | 23:33 |
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| ieatlint | niwakame: no, it's the right level | 23:33 |
| djszapi_ | GeneralAntilles: less clue | 23:33 |
| ieatlint | otherwise ask me to find the EU | 23:33 |
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| niwakame | Well the EU isn't a country | 23:33 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: you would not, right ? | 23:33 |
| ieatlint | (which is not to imply the US and EU are similar bodies) | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | niwakame, Pennsylvania's GDP is, like, 4x that of Hungary. | 23:33 |
| djszapi_ | GSPs are overrated | 23:33 |
| djszapi_ | GDPs | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Likely | 23:34 |
| ieatlint | niwakame: yeah, but the land area and autonomy of US states rivals that of many countries | 23:34 |
| * RST38h notes that once you compare PA GDP with Moldova, there bound to happen a floating point exception | 23:34 | |
| ieatlint | most americans never deal with the federal government, except for a handful of things like taxes | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | If we're playing equivalencies, though, then the EU is more equivalent to the US than the US is to Hungary. | 23:34 |
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| niwakame | Yeah, think it's still lacking somewhat, but you've got a point | 23:35 |
| ieatlint | well, everyone can find my state on a map at least | 23:36 |
| ieatlint | california is easy | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think understanding of Federalism outside of the US is probably pretty low. | 23:36 |
| ieatlint | but try and find new york :P | 23:36 |
| djszapi_ | well, I know Asia better than America | 23:36 |
| RST38h | EU is nothing more than Germany finally getting its wish of the Reich | 23:36 |
| * niwakame tries to ignore the whole EU debate because niwakame doesn't like some aspects of it | 23:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, the shape is too much of a giveaway. | 23:36 |
| djszapi_ | RST38h: joking, right? | 23:36 |
| ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: of NY? | 23:36 |
| RST38h | As all granted wishes go though, things ended up somewhat different from what they wished for | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, long island. | 23:37 |
| ieatlint | yeah, if you know to look for it | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I always pictured it as more of a way for the rest of the continent to keep the germans from trying to blow everybody up a 3rd time. :D | 23:37 |
| ieatlint | although the northern part of the state is easier to find | 23:37 |
| niwakame | Saw a video recently about how bringing a certain kind of lobster is illegal because of some strange federal law in US, and the professor told there are around 10.000 of those | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are lots of stupid federal laws. | 23:38 |
| RST38h | General: Actually, prehistory of this crap is pretty interesting | 23:38 |
| ieatlint | and state laws | 23:38 |
| djszapi_ | hmm, my amercican acquaintance triggered a long discussion. Let us say, he did not know where Hungary would be. :p | 23:38 |
| ieatlint | and state laws often contradict federal laws | 23:38 |
| djszapi_ | american, even | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | djszapi_, why should he? | 23:38 |
| ieatlint | but the federal government can't force the local police to enforce federal law | 23:38 |
| djszapi_ | I did not say, he should. | 23:38 |
| RST38h | General: I think one of the first inventors of this nice idea was Immanuel Kant | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, they can certainly come in and enforce it themselves, though. | 23:39 |
| ieatlint | US states have a lot more autonomy than people realize | 23:39 |
| niwakame | ieatlint: it said it is illegal to get animals, plants, wildlife, etc when it's illegal in "any state or any country" - ON THE WHOLE PLANET | 23:39 |
| ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: yep, but bringing in the FBI is expensive | 23:39 |
| RST38h | General: Wanted nice, organized Europe, united under wise German rule | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, I believe you guys are having some fun over there with that and the medical marijuana. | 23:39 |
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| ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: haha, yeah.. they're taking a different route now | 23:39 |
| djszapi_ | so Amsterdam is Jamaica 2 for americans ? :D | 23:39 |
| ieatlint | they're confiscating the land | 23:40 |
| RST38h | General: There were a few incarnations of this idea after that, the last well known one by certain dictator | 23:40 |
| niwakame | RST38h: EU is all about lobbyism | 23:40 |
| ieatlint | djszapi_: i'm not sure what jamaica is in this context | 23:40 |
| RST38h | General: EU looks like the successful version though, except that Germany ended up paying for the whole thing =) | 23:40 |
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| ieatlint | but to americans, amsterdam means pot and prostitutes | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, 10th amendment and the supremacy clause have gotten really messy with the broad interpretation of the commerce clause. | 23:41 |
| djszapi_ | well, for me it means tomtom | 23:41 |
| ieatlint | jamaica to us means funny accents, a bobsled team, cheap beer and some awesome food | 23:41 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: dunno about americans, amsterdam means Maemo convention to me =) | 23:41 |
| niwakame | ieatlint: saw that movie, too | 23:41 |
| ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: pretty much | 23:41 |
| ieatlint | niwakame: not just a movie, there really is (was?) a jamaican bobsled team | 23:41 |
| niwakame | think so, but it got popular because of the movie, I think | 23:42 |
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| * niwakame is out of verbs because of scientific writing marathon today | 23:42 | |
| niwakame | :( | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I really hate the US State Department. D: | 23:43 |
| djszapi_ | writing scientific stuff while running? | 23:43 |
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| RST38h | General: Imagine US without US State Government, shudder. | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, i.e., Feds only? | 23:44 |
| RST38h | Oh, shit, I misread | 23:44 |
| RST38h | You mean the USSD, not the government | 23:45 |
| ieatlint | the state dept handles the foreign affairs of the US gov | 23:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, the ones that screwed me out of going to the Amsterdam conference. | 23:45 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: to be honest, my friends from Brazil also know where Finland or Hungary is | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Passport showing up 8 hours late. | 23:45 |
| djszapi_ | or latin america does not matter ? | 23:45 |
| * RST38h 's passport is at the Russian embassy in DC | 23:45 | |
| ieatlint | djszapi_: yeah, but my criticism is of american schools and how most people in the US suck at geography | 23:45 |
| niwakame | djszapi_: more like "marathon session" ? | 23:45 |
| * niwakame isn't a native speaker | 23:46 | |
| ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: ouch! | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, cool N950 :p | 23:46 |
| djszapi_ | niwakame: gotcha. was just joking :) | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | it's pre beta 1 | 23:46 |
| niwakame | :) | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, public education is broken by design. | 23:46 |
| ieatlint | i bet after you paid all those expensive expedite fees | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, I paid the $140, too. | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | treasure it | 23:46 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: just at geography ? | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | and filled it about 1.5 months before the trip. | 23:46 |
| ieatlint | djszapi_: and more, geography is just an often joke, because americans can't find the countries we're attacking on a map | 23:47 |
| ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: yeah, that's bad.. last time i renewed mine it took about 3 weeks without any expedite fees | 23:47 |
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| djszapi_ | ieatlint: well, it is enough if the machines know :) | 23:47 |
| niwakame | GeneralAntilles: you do have international TV news, don't you? | 23:48 |
| gambitrex | Hi, is it possible to declare a Q_PROPERTY of type QList<MyType> ? | 23:48 |
| djszapi_ | gambitrex: yeah | 23:48 |
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| niwakame | GeneralAntilles: ...but I think it's the same in all countries...especially a certain part of the younger population doesn't care for anything...except...Justin Bieber and the likes | 23:49 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: Why do you even NEED to find a country US is attacking on the map? | 23:49 |
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| gambitrex | djszapi_: is there anything else I need to do? Because I got the error: QMetaProperty::read: Unable to handle unregistered datatype 'QList<MyType>' for property 'MyClass::property_name' | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | niwakame, I don't watch TV news. | 23:49 |
| niwakame | RST38h: It's important for military airplane pilots? :P | 23:49 |
| ieatlint | RST38h: because if you don't even know enough about a country to locate it, you don't know enough to think you should attack it | 23:49 |
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| djszapi_ | gambitrex: "For QMap, QList, and QValueList properties, the property value is a QVariant whose value is the entire list or map. Note that the Q_PROPERTY string cannot contain commas, because commas separate macro arguments. Therefore, you must use QMap as the property type instead of QMap<QString,QVariant>. For consistency, also use QList and QValueList instead of QList<QVariant> and QValueList<QVariant>." | 23:50 |
| gambitrex | djszapi_: the scenario is the following: I need to send to QML a list of object, and each object has a list of another objects | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moo | 23:50 |
| niwakame | fish go moo ? | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, nevermind, don't treasure it, just flash PR1.2 | 23:50 |
| djszapi_ | gambitrex: no no | 23:51 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: There are special people trained to know where each country is | 23:51 |
| djszapi_ | your class needs to be known by the metaobject system | 23:51 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: There are people trained to find and bomb geographics locations | 23:51 |
| djszapi_ | as the documentation implies above... | 23:51 |
| djszapi_ | "...QVariant..." | 23:51 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: Furthermore, there are people trained to document the carnage and destruction | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Specializing is key. | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Specializing/Specialization/ | 23:52 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Specialization is key. | 23:52 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: ALL you need to do is pay for your cable TV monthly and enjoy the show on CNN | 23:52 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: Ain't you happy, punk? =) | 23:52 |
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| ieatlint | all i need to know is what the president and a major corporation tells me | 23:53 |
| ieatlint | damn right! :P | 23:53 |
| RST38h | Don't even need that | 23:54 |
| RST38h | Just do what you are trained to do! =) | 23:54 |
| RST38h | [and save for a ticket out] | 23:54 |
| ieatlint | i am, i'm bitching on irc | 23:54 |
| niwakame | :P | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all you need is longitude and latitude for the ICBM to program | 23:54 |
| djszapi_ | it is still not clear to me that | 23:55 |
| gambitrex | djszapi_: by "your class needs to be known by the metaobject system" you mean Q_DECLARE_METATYPE(QList<MyType>)? | 23:55 |
| djszapi_ | this education thingy applies only on the US or also latin america | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, there are also people who use Google Maps | 23:55 |
| gambitrex | can you provide me the link of that documentation? | 23:55 |
| djszapi_ | gambitrex: no | 23:55 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: Like NSA and CIA? Yes, and they are using other Google services too! Like GMail... | 23:56 |
| gambitrex | djszapi_: sorry, I am kinda lost. | 23:56 |
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| djszapi_ | gambitrex: why would you register what is already registered? | 23:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i need to check what repos they have | 23:57 |
| djszapi_ | you need to register your type | 23:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | the problem is that i don't have devel-sh | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, it's just a beta1.5 version | 23:57 |
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| MohammadAG | nothing special in it | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | probably still affected by unseal.ko | 23:57 |
| djszapi_ | devel-sh is overrated | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, don't forget Congress! | 23:57 |
| ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: no one listens to congress | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | and why do you need devel-sh for cat /etc/apt/sources.list | 23:58 |
| ieatlint | although my representatives in congress sing a similar tune to me | 23:58 |
| djszapi_ | because devel-sh is overrated :p | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | devel-sh was actually useful in beta1 | 23:58 |
| djszapi_ | ieatlint: what language do you learn in the big america? | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | then beta2 removed the token | 23:59 |
| djszapi_ | foreign, that is | 23:59 |
| ieatlint | djszapi_: ebonics | 23:59 |
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| djszapi_ | sounds cool. They learn gaelic here in Ireland which is as useful most likely. | 23:59 |
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