IRC log of #harmattan for Saturday, 2012-07-14

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jonniI remember seeing bugreport somewhere that imageprovider and absolutepath images go through different codepath, most likely bug in 4.7.4, dont know/dont remember if it has been fixed in later versions.00:04
pajonni, what kind of crontab is there? there's not even /etc/crontab... :)00:07
jonniwell on my device there is atleast etc/cron.daily dir, but I dont know if there is crontab00:08
jpnurmithanks jonni, QMeeGoGraphicsSystemHelper seems to help00:08
jpnurmifound it in mthemedaemon00:08
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Namekhi, is there a way to schedule tasks in harmattan? something API to do X thing every friday at 8:00 or something like that..03:07
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itsnotabigtruckdamn vps kicked it, again03:22
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itsnotabigtruckhey beford04:19
befordhi itsnotabigtruck, ZogG_laptop04:19
itsnotabigtruckbtw there's about 2 hours left to get the half-life games on teh cheap if you don't have them already04:19
itsnotabigtruckand a few more to get portal 2 on the cheap04:19
befordcan't remember my pass for steam04:20
befordand can't remember my secret question04:20
befordi'm fuxored04:21
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befordlet me try to guess it again04:22
befordi also forgot the secret question to my bank account ...04:22
ZogG_laptopbeford: \o04:23
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: is pr1.4 out already?04:24
befordwhat distro is mac "friendly"?04:27
befordgot the pass04:29
ZogG_laptopmac friednly?04:35
ZogG_laptopbeford: lion X or what's it's name?04:35
ZogG_laptopbeford: ot oyu mean linux?04:35
befordZogG_laptop: yea, like I want to install it next to osx04:36
befordI failed at trying to boot archlinux04:37
ZogG_laptopbeford: funtoo04:37
ZogG_laptopbeford: i'm volontureeing to help with most of, though i think you would need help with U-EFI part and i can't help on that04:39
ZogG_laptopyou would probably need bios emulator04:39
befordyea, that was the issue with arch04:40
befordneed to figure out that first04:40
ZogG_laptopbeford: there is someone on #funtoo that has the same issue and figured out with help of other people04:43
ZogG_laptopbeford: go to that chan =P04:43
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ZogG_laptope-yes: go jabber06:35
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TomasMHow much does Nokia care about bugs reported for Harmattan?11:38
Stskeepsnow, nil, i think11:40
topi`so, is anyone on this channel actually affiliated with Jolla mobile?11:42
topi`I don't know these Jolla guys although I worked for Nokia on the N900.11:42
topi`as well as harmattan.11:42
Aardtopi`: yes, several people here, including me, work for jolla11:43
topi`interesting. I wonder if the guys behind Jolla actually come from the maemo Tampere team11:45
topi`because I worked with the Ruoholahti guys and they seem to know nothing about Jolla11:45
Stskeepsprobably because it was a secret until recently11:45
Stskeepskeep in mind maemo and meego people are spread for the wind, not only one company11:46
topi`indeed, and at the height of the hiring (between N900 and N9) a lot of people left Maemo and others joined11:48
topi`I started with the N800, seemingly a long time ago :) at that point the maemo team was really small.11:49
topi`but the community already very important11:49
Stskeepswhat area did you work with?11:49
topi`kernel drivers11:49
topi`I was also, unfortunately, involved with the SGX integration into the X server11:50
topi`which was slightly too messy for my tastes.11:50
Stskeepsif you're interested, send a cv in .pdf format and a blurb why you'd like to work with jolla, to - expect a bit of delay on review, we are overwhelmed atm11:51
topi`they tried to replace Daniel Stone with me, but since my history is short and happened in the 1990s - a long time ago - that was not a very good situation11:51
topi`even though is possibly one of the more conservative open source projects out there. The core of the X server is still mostly the same..11:52
topi`Stskeeps: I might try that :) my wife wants me out of the house, to have something to tinker with.11:53
topi`what kind of people are applying for your positions?11:53
Stskeepssure, give it a shot :)11:53
Stskeepsif you're interested in os side of jolla, #mer is core work11:54
topi`and could you describe me what's your policy on working methods? I mean,  Nokia was quite strict on the fact that all work happened on site11:54
topi`so the telecommuting was very limited11:54
Stskeepsi work remotely, in warsaw, poland11:54
topi`ok, that explains then11:54
topi`what's your specialty?11:54
Stskeepsoffices exists in tmp and hel. i am mer project architect, so core work11:58
Stskeepswas previously doing meego arm11:58
Stskeepsi gtg, hope to see your cv :)11:59
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PaulePanterHi. MY N9 was stolen in Germany this night. Any idea what to do now?13:21
Lava_Croftgo to the police13:21
PaulePanterUnfortunately it is weekend so the police will not do much I guess.13:21
PaulePanterLava_Croft: Already done.13:22
Lava_Croftthey cant do much if its a workday either13:22
AardPaulePanter: depens on if you enabled the device tracking stuff13:22
PaulePanterI left the default setting I think.13:22
PaulePanterAard: Would that also work when the SIM is taken out?13:22
TronicThe police could easily locate the device if it is turned on. Not sure if German laws allow for that in cases of minor offenses, though.13:22
AardPaulePanter: without sim probably not, it would prevent the phone from getting a new sim, though13:23
PaulePanterTronic: That is the big question here. They should have incentive to do so because this was probably done by some group of criminals.13:23
PaulePanterAard: Can you elaborate please?13:23
AardPaulePanter: there's the 'track and protect' application on the device, which, if enabled, only allows changing the sim-card if you give the devicelock code, and enables tracking the device by sending silent sms to it. you need to explicitely enable it, though13:24
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PaulePanterOk, I will check that track and protect stuff. Maybe it was enabled.13:33
AardPaulePanter: if you don't remember it most likely it was not enabled ;)13:34
kozziAard any idea how often does tnp log your position?13:34
Aardkozzi: iirc they only record your position if you request it from their website13:35
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kozziah ok13:35
PaulePanterOk, I have track and protect enabled.13:38
AardPaulePanter: in that case, go to the track and protect website, and check if you can get the location of the device13:39
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kozzihow would TnP react if someone stole your phone, flash it and then enable TnP with their own sim13:41
kozziwould it be smart enough to notify the real owner about this or happily register the theft as a ne owner13:42
BrownoutI'm the only one who sets the security code?13:43
Brownouttnp can be disabled with a tap, no questions asked13:43
Aardkozzi: I have no idea. try? ;)13:43
kozzilol, should have tried before flashing to pr1.313:44
PaulePanterThe TnP site does not show anything. I guess the problem is there is no Internet connection and the SIM card is locked (by the provider)?13:44
kozziand many things like mess up the statusarea.css to see if opacity can be set13:45
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Brownouttnp also does mobile data traffic without asking, even if it's configured as manual connection. I don't have a data plan and I lost 5€ just by enabling it13:46
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saidinesh5hey guys14:49
saidinesh5i just setup scratchbox for some harmattan development14:49
saidinesh5now the problem is my display resolution (1280x720) is less than the size of the Xephyr's window(480x854)14:50
saidinesh5so i cant realy view the whole of the app. is there any quick dirty hack against this one that maybe lets one scale down Xephyr's window?14:51
phakostart a landscape session ;)14:53
phakoyou could fiddle around with x11vnc14:54
saidinesh5phako: how would i start a landscape session?14:55
phakothat was more a joke14:58
saidinesh5heh.. well i somehow thought it would be possible.. some magic dbus call or something14:59
phakohm, true, it used to be default-landscape at some point15:02
ladogasounds like i guess the screen can't be swiweled into portraid15:03
paAard, but with track and protect, if it prevents the device to get a new sim, it will be most likely be thrown away15:03
pasorr, i  meant "no"15:03
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saidinesh5apparently this software does force the N9 to take landscape mode15:05
ladogaor doesn't it matter what orientation the host system has it's screen? (i haven't tried xephyr)15:06
ladogawould be quite useless to rotate the screen image (eg. with xrandr -o) on laptop anyway15:08
paquestion: how do i set the "application icon" when i package?15:08
paQA complains that my app icon does not match the desktop icon15:09
paindeed i have set no icon for the application manger15:09
ladoga ?15:10
* saidinesh5 checks15:14
saidinesh5bleh the N9tweak isnt working15:15
saidinesh5some broken fragile shell script15:15
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paladoga, ah thanks! do you know how to do that with qtcreator?15:33
phakopa: that's easy15:36
phakogo to project15:36
phakoselect run15:36
phakoexpand "Create package"15:36
phakoand there should be an icon you can click on15:37
paah thats great! thanks a lot! :)15:37
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saidinesh5phako: the x11vnc kinda works... but is terribly slow and what not..15:54
saidinesh5well it gives me scrollbars so i can scroll into the hidden part of the screen15:55
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pasaidinesh5, worse than netview?16:12
* saidinesh5 googles what netview is16:12
paits a vnc client for harmattan, from nokia.16:13
saidinesh5Ahh dunno.. havent used it16:14
saidinesh5but i m currently using Xephyr for as much of the screen i can see16:14
saidinesh5and x11vnc to view the rest of the screen16:14
saidinesh5i think that should do for now  :)16:14
paphako, is it easy to have a create only target on qtcreator? (without the need to deploy the package every time)16:18
DocScrutinizer05saidinesh5: how about creating an overscan screen on your PC?16:18
* saidinesh5 googles16:20
phakopa: you mean to get a package?16:22
pasorry, thats what i meant16:23
phakopa: hm, don't know.16:24
payou also deploy every time?16:25
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phakopa: I build in scratchbox usually16:36
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RzRGeneralAntilles, i had build irssi want it ?17:56
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GAN900Anybody know where the irssi package from the Nokia Store is available?18:03
RzRi dont18:06
RzRGAN900, , i had build irssi want it ?18:06
RzRit's the usual place18:15
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GAN900RzR, thanks!18:19
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tazzhey djszapi_19:53
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MohammadAGdoes using QProcess require an aegis cred.?20:05
ajalkane       No20:07
StskeepsMohammadAG: btw, how far are you in studies these days?20:07
MohammadAGStskeeps, preparatory year20:08
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MohammadAGStskeeps, so technically, that doesn't count as a first year20:08
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djszapi_MohammadAG: depends on what process ofc20:10
MohammadAGdjszapi_, actually it doesn't20:10
wirweHey guys, any idea how to dry a completely wet N9?20:10
itsnotabigtruckyeah, you need cap::kill if you want to kill something that isn't owned by your own process's user20:10
MohammadAGQProcess would invoke any process, whether or not that process needs QProcess...20:11
itsnotabigtrucke.g. root killing user, or user killing root20:11
MohammadAGerr, aegis creds20:11
MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, I'm trying to launch media player20:11
itsnotabigtruckah, then yeah, no creds required20:11
itsnotabigtruckjust be careful to run it as user and not root20:11
itsnotabigtruckwirwe: oh noes20:11
djszapi_if you use QProcess for running *anything*, you need to make sure you *do* have creds for that anything20:11
djszapi_I thought it was trivial eons ago :D20:11
MohammadAGyes, but not for using QProcess20:11
wirweNo possibility that it is waterproof? :-D20:12
MohammadAGwirwe, put it in rice for a day or two20:13
djszapi_it should be20:13
MohammadAGand don't try to power it on20:13
djszapi_I used it in heavy snow storms20:13
HtheBgot any tips for me about that topic?20:13
itsnotabigtruckwould it be a good idea to take it apart for drying?20:13
itsnotabigtruckand to d/c the battery20:14
itsnotabigtruckbut that involves some serious surgery20:14
MohammadAGI would've suggested taking out the battery but.. yeah20:16
MohammadAGHtheB, nope, I've found the keyboard on the N950 way too irritating20:18
MohammadAGI don't get why this doesn't work20:18
wirweI guess taking it to a nokia store is the best way, isn't it?20:19
HtheByeah, thats why im trying to find a fix for it :(20:19
HtheBim sure itll be much more usable that way20:19
itsnotabigtruckwirwe: probably not since they'll charge you the $$$ for anything they do to it20:20
itsnotabigtrucksince water damage is pretty obviously user error20:20
itsnotabigtrucki'd suggest either the rice, or the complete disassembly then rice20:21
itsnotabigtruckyou can find the original nokia service manual online fairly easily20:21
HtheBwirwe, they dont repair the n900 anymore20:21
HtheBin the official nokia repair centers20:21
itsnotabigtruckHtheB: but it's an n9...20:21
HtheBthere are many tutorials on youtube20:22
MohammadAGthey do, they fix your mistake of buying one! :P20:22
HtheBmy bad!20:22
HtheBMohammadAG: ahaha20:22
HtheBoh by the way20:22
HtheBdoes anybody knows how to get rid of the warning message20:22
HtheBabout storage is almost full20:22
HtheBi still have 1GB left20:23
HtheBO_o very annoying message that keeps popping up again and again20:23
HtheBany way to lower the warning screen for like when it reaches 50MB and below?20:23
itsnotabigtruckthere has to be a way but i don't have the slightest clue what that way is :p20:25
HtheBcheck this out20:25
itsnotabigtruckoh yeah, dsme is open source20:26
itsnotabigtruckwait for the pr1.3 data dump, and have your scratchbox ready to go20:26
itsnotabigtruckextract the dsme source package, mod the threshold, rebuild the package, and incept it20:26
itsnotabigtruckof course that's not exactly easy20:26
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itsnotabigtruckanother approach might be to hexedit dsme to change the threshold directly, and then modify refhashlist to make aegis happy20:27
itsnotabigtruckjust be careful since it's easy to fubar your n9 with those kinds of tweaks20:27
HtheBn950 doesnt have pr1320:28
HtheBat least, not a flashable one20:28
HtheBonly ota with n9 repo enabled..20:28
itsnotabigtruckthen you can do it right now with the pr1.2 code20:29
MohammadAGbut don't20:31
MohammadAGunless your N950 is in closed mode20:31
HtheBgot pr1.3 now though.... (ota)20:31
MohammadAGotherwise you won't be able to reflash20:31
itsnotabigtruckHtheB: flashing it from the n9 repo is really inadvisable20:31
djszapi_MohammadAG: btw, the QProcess question was asked tons of times on this channel. Next time the channel log for simple questions. :)20:31
itsnotabigtruckwell, upgrading, not flashing20:32
MohammadAGdjszapi_, well when your code doesn't work you start asking stupid questions :p20:32
itsnotabigtruckit's probably possible to get away with it by making a hybrid upgrade20:32
HtheBMohammadAG, can we make a "cssu" for n950 users20:32
itsnotabigtrucklike mixing and matching pr1.2beta n950 packages and pr1.3 n9 packages20:32
RzRi thought about that20:32
MohammadAGHtheB, it's possible20:33
MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, how's the version in CAL set?20:33
MohammadAGwhich package does it?20:33
itsnotabigtruckpr1.3 for n950 exists, afaik, so they really ought to release the damned thing20:33
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: mp-harmattan-___-pr20:33
MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, where?20:33
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: postinst script, it 'stages' the sw cert upgrade20:33
itsnotabigtruckwhich then actually occurs during a reboot to 'update mode'20:33
MohammadAGI thought I looked at that20:33
itsnotabigtrucktogether with the cmt/nolo/kernel upgrades20:34
RzRi have a pict of it :
MohammadAGosso-product-info -s OSSO_VERSION='DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_001' 2> /dev/null || exit 020:34
itsnotabigtruckif you're in open mode, you can't enter update mode so none of that will happen20:34
MohammadAGit's like Fremantle20:34
itsnotabigtruckosso-product-info doesn't exist afaik20:34
itsnotabigtruckthat line doesn't actually do anything20:34
djszapi_RzR: packaged stuff for us?20:34
itsnotabigtruckit's the sw cert that matters20:34
RzRdjszapi_,  i tried but i gave up since it needs ocaml20:35
MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, so if one gets the PR1.2 certs on PR1.3 device and stages them, will that work or will they be rejected?20:35
djszapi_RzR: lol20:35
RzRdjszapi_, it's your turn now :)20:35
djszapi_no way20:36
HtheBMohammadAG, I guess thatll do it20:36
RzRdjszapi_, then dont hold your breath :)20:36
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, how's your N950?20:36
RzRdjszapi_, what was the goal of those libs ?20:36
djszapi_RzR: sell that for money20:37
djszapi_and becoming rich :D20:37
HtheBwhat about the kernel?20:37
RzRdjszapi_, seriously what could be the benefit for me or us ?20:39
djszapi_RzR: kstars is ported to Harmattan20:39
RzRwe needed that bloatware  !20:40
HtheBMohammadAG, cant we extract the (pre) pr1.2 and repack it with pr1.3 stuff in it and flash it?20:42
MohammadAGExtract which part of it?20:42
HtheBwell, to have a directly flashable pr13 for n950 users20:43
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HtheBkinda annoying to keep updating ota after a reflash20:46
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GAN900MohammadAG, fine now.20:54
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MohammadAGHtheB: You can't reflash20:56
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MohammadAGfor future reference21:10
MohammadAGQProcess::startDetached("/usr/bin/invoker -n --global-syms --single-instance --type=m --splash /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/images/splash/meegotouch-music-splash.jpg /usr/bin/music-suite");21:10
MohammadAGthat works fine21:10
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MohammadAGis there a way to know if the status bar is hidden?21:19
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GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, screencap the top 40 pixels and run them through an image analyzer?21:31
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, did that, it's working great!21:32
MohammadAGgood minds think alike21:32
GeneralAntillesI was going to say deranged minds think alike21:32
MohammadAGactually I found out how, normal QEvents21:32
GeneralAntillesBut that works too. ;)21:32
MohammadAGbut I just need scrolling text in MTF21:33
MohammadAGhmm, apparently it's called a marque label21:34
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MohammadAGpfft, no marquee examples in Qt21:47
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artemmaDoes anybody know how to disable N9 light sensor completely?22:21
artemmaIt's screen cracked exactly at the light sensor, so now my N9 always thinks it's in the pocket or next to the ear22:22
artemmaSo I am not able to e.g. hang up the call as there are no buttons on screen22:22
ieatlintthat's the proximity sensor doing that22:26
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ieatlintbut i dunno22:26
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paartemma, look at n9tweaks22:26
pait does something with mce.ini22:26
artemma ?22:26
ieatlinti've read that's not compatible with pr1.3, but it may tell you how to do it nonetheless22:27
artemmahmm , feature list doesn't seem to mention light sensor..22:27
paieatlint, maybe parts of it..22:27
artemmawill check it out22:27
paEnable/Disable auto-brightness setting22:27
pai havethe  other problem22:28
padisabling it not completely, e.g., via api, so that it can be restored when you close the app22:29
pabut apparently it's either not possible or nobody knows how, not even on the nokia forum22:29
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* ptl is very satisfied with my newly acquired N9, however I'd like a better PDF reader than "Documents", a better audiobook player than "Music" and tips on how to nerdify my phone even more.22:58
Arkenoibtw are there any landscape mode improvements in PR1.3?23:01
ieatlinthuh, i always really liked the built in pdf viewer23:03
djszapi_cannot say always when I reported tons of bugs back then, but it indeed is ok now23:03
ptlit takes too long to renderize some pages23:05
djszapi_though, it is not really a pdf viewer23:06
djszapi_it is more like a document viewer anyway23:07
Arkenoitoo bad there never was a version of DtG for harmattan23:07
* djszapi_ does not even know what DtG is23:07
ArkenoiDocuments to Go23:08
djszapi_weird name...23:10
djszapi_well, nobody is interested with enough enthusiasm to port it apparently.23:10
ptlI just installed N9 scratchbox23:11
ptlI hope to compile aiccu for my N9 to have ipv6-on-ipv4 on it23:11
djszapi_N9 scratchbox ?23:11
djszapi_you mean arm target?23:11
djszapi_well, ok...23:13
djszapi_do you have a problem, or why did you mention this?23:13
ptlieatlint: about n9 tweak, maybe that can help:23:13
ptln9-qtweakall - This is a simple app that can tweak a some stuff in your system. This script work properly only on PR 1.3 and base/blanco theme! PLEASE read PDF instruction in your Documents folder after installation! Also you can visit my thread:
ptldjszapi_: no problem yet, haven't even started using scratchbox... It's just that I thought such a simple package would be already around for the N9, but I couldn't find it anywhere23:14
djszapi_ptl: well, not many people helped us with packaging23:14
djszapi_afaik, the vast majority is done by rzr23:15
djszapi_and me23:15
ptland your repository is very useful. Thanks for that.23:15
ptlCouldn't say how grateful I am.23:15
djszapi_and I have been absent recently, so guess what :)23:15
djszapi_poor rzr does stuff23:15
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RzRsend me your money , i'll buy some extra slaves23:21
MohammadAGartemma, disable proximity in mce.ini plugins23:31
Arkenoidjszapi_, yes. but it is only really good software suite to deal with ms office documents on mobile devices23:33
Arkenoiothers just suck23:33
ptlwhat money? I took more than one year to purchase the N9, that should say something :P23:33
djszapi_ptl: yep, you cannot spare :p23:34
ptljust tried to download something like fingerterm for android and couldn't find it23:34
djszapi_too many slaves you buy for other things :p23:34
ptlno, really, I do donate sometimes, but it depends on many things, I live in a 'developing' (e.g. underdeveloped) country and I have to juggle financially... but as I am an enthusiastic user of your repository, please tell the paypal account or something, I'll try to work something out23:36
djszapi_lol I was just joking :)23:36
djszapi_spend your money for other things ;)23:37
RzRwhere are you from ptl ?23:38
RzRjust curious , i wont come and take your money out of your pocket :)23:39
djszapi_(he will :P)23:40
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MohammadAGhow does one shutdown the device with the Nokia UI?23:45
djszapi_MohammadAG: well, there was a reboot app23:47
RzRthere is an app yes23:47
RzRcckwes i think23:47
djszapi_that could have been used for rebooting23:47
djszapi_so there might be an app for shutting down23:47
djszapi_though an app for rebooting is way more useful23:47
djszapi_so not sure23:47
MohammadAGthat did not make any sense to me :/23:48
ptlRzR: I am from Brazil23:49
djszapi_actually reboot can be used for powering off as well23:49
MohammadAGdbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="" --print-reply "/com/nokia/dsme/request"
MohammadAGthanks anyway23:49
djszapi_MohammadAG: that is not the "Nokia UI".23:49
ptldbus-send? :P I would use qdbus23:49
djszapi_ptl: so you are a good soccer player ? :p23:50
MohammadAGdjszapi_, it shows the Nokia splash23:50
MohammadAGthe splash used by the power button is from system-ui23:50
RzRptl,  i wish i can visit part of brazil someday but this is too wide :)23:50
MohammadAGwhich I have no idea how to show23:50
djszapi_MohammadAG: perhaps you asked your question misleadingly.23:51
djszapi_I associated to that you need a UI way for shutting the device down.23:51
MohammadAGyeah, I guess23:52
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MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, any ideas what creds that needs?23:54
MohammadAGI'm guessing dsme::DeviceStateControl, but just to be sure23:54
ptldjszapi_: no... I know nothing about soccer actually... Although it is a national sport, not everyone is enthusiastic :)23:55
djszapi_MohammadAG: why not check the syslog?23:55
djszapi_you can check yourself...23:55
djszapi_ptl: yeah, I was just joking23:55
MohammadAGdjszapi_, syslog doesn't show anything, I already checked23:56
djszapi_then it does not require anything23:58
djszapi_even simpler than thought23:58
djszapi_or someone broke the feature we established ^^23:58
ptlRzR: tell me when! If you get near Campinas, SP I can offer you some guidance, maybe even accomodation23:59

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