| rigo | khertan, tried to install your app, even bought it, but download failed | 00:00 |
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| rigo | but I'm having general wrestlings with PR 1.3, SFR locked me out | 00:01 |
| khertan | rigo: KhtSimpleText ? | 00:01 |
| khertan | sfr ... haha ... worst isp | 00:02 |
| khertan | i know i'm at sfr too | 00:02 |
| khertan | :) | 00:02 |
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| khertan | rigo: so you have paid and wasn't been able to install the apps ? | 00:04 |
| rigo | yep | 00:05 |
| rigo | I don't mind, but just so you know. I haven' t exhausted my downloads yet | 00:05 |
| khertan | let me reinstalling my tools (my n950 was cleaning himself, and i will send you a package to download) | 00:06 |
| rigo | but I have an awful time getting my N9 straight after having it flashed to PR 1.3 | 00:06 |
| arcean_ | khertan, run 'top' and check what's stressing cpu | 00:06 |
| rigo | developer-mode doesn't install, 3G doesn't work anymore etc.... really the full hacking challenge :( | 00:07 |
| khertan | arcean_: nothing seems to stress the cpu | 00:07 |
| khertan | arcean_: and worse, battery monitor said that 1% is due to cpu, 99% to other hardware | 00:07 |
| jesuschrist^ | maybe its khtsimpletext ;p | 00:07 |
| khertan | jesuschrist^: not yet resintalled :) | 00:08 |
| arcean_ | khertan, so have a nice evening reflashing n950 :D | 00:08 |
| khertan | arcean_: you think ? .... will be the 10 or 12 time | 00:09 |
| khertan | only | 00:09 |
| khertan | i will probably come back to n900 | 00:09 |
| arcean_ | hmm, so you think it's a hardware malfunction? | 00:10 |
| khertan | maybe ... but how to found it | 00:10 |
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| jesuschrist^ | only way is to reflash | 00:13 |
| jesuschrist^ | and see if the battery keeps draining | 00:13 |
| khertan | jesuschrist^: it will not happen after reflash | 00:13 |
| khertan | but a week later, will occur again | 00:13 |
| jesuschrist^ | then its not hardware | 00:13 |
| khertan | without installing anything or changing any settings | 00:14 |
| khertan | even adding an account | 00:14 |
| khertan | just letting it sleeping on the desktop | 00:14 |
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| khertan | jesuschrist^: but where does it come from so ? | 00:16 |
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| khertan | jesuschrist^: anyway, sometime n950 lose phone network and never recover it, without a reboot | 00:16 |
| jesuschrist^ | never had a n950 | 00:16 |
| khertan | so i tend to think it s hardware | 00:16 |
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| arcean_ | khertan, my n950 has even better GSM and WiFi reception than N9 | 00:17 |
| jesuschrist^ | im going to reflash my n9 | 00:17 |
| jesuschrist^ | btw | 00:17 |
| arcean_ | especially wifi | 00:17 |
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| khertan | arcean_: funny, mine have worse than my n900 | 00:18 |
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| arcean_ | yeah, I've heard that some n950 have problems with gsm reception :/ | 00:19 |
| khertan | arcean_: some have same problem with n9 too | 00:20 |
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| khertan | and it s look like it s happen more with some isp | 00:20 |
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| arcean_ | that may be a reason too | 00:22 |
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| jesuschrist^ | i cant login in skype anymore | 00:23 |
| jesuschrist^ | anyone has any idea | 00:23 |
| jesuschrist^ | why | 00:23 |
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| rigo | I need aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy but I can't find it in http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/ | 00:26 |
| rigo | any idea where I can find it? | 00:26 |
| rigo | jesuschrist, there was a guy who had the same prob today and ruined his installation for nothing | 00:28 |
| jesuschrist^ | that guy was me probably with another nick rigo | 00:28 |
| jesuschrist^ | xipp2 | 00:29 |
| jesuschrist^ | right ? | 00:29 |
| jesuschrist^ | :p | 00:29 |
| khertan | rigo: say thx to sfr and they fucking proxy that prevent tar.gz and gz download | 00:29 |
| rigo | ok | 00:29 |
| khertan | this is why your download failed | 00:29 |
| rigo | not really | 00:29 |
| khertan | rigo: did you try with https | 00:29 |
| jesuschrist^ | actually i managed to get back to start rigo, still i cant log in in skype AND gmail | 00:29 |
| rigo | my download fails over wifi, and wifi is Orange | 00:29 |
| khertan | :) | 00:29 |
| khertan | not better :) | 00:30 |
| khertan | try in https :) | 00:30 |
| khertan | no proxy | 00:30 |
| khertan | rigo: where can i send you the package ? which email ? | 00:30 |
| khertan | :) | 00:30 |
| rigo | rigo@w3.org | 00:30 |
| rigo | but this is the smallest of my probs. For the moment, I reflashed it 3 times and still will not allow developer-mode to install | 00:31 |
| jesuschrist^ | rigo : any advise on the situation ? i really dont want to flash | 00:31 |
| rigo | allows that only over 3G and 3G is borken | 00:31 |
| rigo | jesuschrist, dunno. If skype works on desktop, then its local install. If you have reflashed, there is some hickup in user files. But I don't think you want to kill all user data either | 00:32 |
| jesuschrist^ | i havent reflashed yet | 00:32 |
| jesuschrist^ | i wont give up so easily :p | 00:32 |
| khertan | still no news about a pr1.3 for n950 ? | 00:37 |
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| rigo | khertan, thanks for the package | 00:42 |
| khertan | you're welcome | 00:43 |
| khertan | thx for buying it | 00:43 |
| khertan | :) | 00:43 |
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| goka_ | hello everybody! | 00:49 |
| goka_ | just quick question: can someone please point me the path where angry birds for N9 (original, not magic) store the scores, saved data etc? | 00:50 |
| goka_ | maybe /opt/rovio/angrybirdsclassic? | 00:51 |
| jonni | thats where the game is, scores are in /var/opt/rovio/... | 00:53 |
| rigo | jonni, any clue were I can find aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy for PR 1.3? | 00:56 |
| jonni | rigo: apt-get install aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy | 00:57 |
| goka_ | thanks! there's 2 .lua files in /var/opt/rovio/angrybirdsclassic, highscores.lua & settings.lua. just copying those files to my future flashed phone will get back my scores and all the beaten levels? | 00:57 |
| jonni | goka_: yes | 00:57 |
| jesuschrist^ | jonni plz could you help me with my accounts sign in prob ? :\ | 00:57 |
| jonni | goka_: just be sure to check the owner of the files to match, so better tar them | 00:57 |
| jesuschrist^ | (obviously if you can) | 00:57 |
| goka_ | jonni ok, many thanks! | 00:57 |
| goka_ | and how can i do that? | 00:58 |
| jonni | tar -zcvf scorebackup.tar.gz /var/opt/rovio/angrybirdsclassic/ | 00:58 |
| goka_ | man, you are such a lifesaver, thanks! | 01:00 |
| jonni | jesuschrist^: most likely you are better off reflashing the whole device, as its really hard to give advice without seeing what mess the current device is in, if you really dont want to reflash then you can try opensh; apscli -s signon-private:Se -D; rm -rf /home/user/.Skype; reboot; | 01:03 |
| ptl | Hi, is there a repository for the N9 where I can get stuff like screen, tmux, irssi, vim ??????? Sorry for so many questions marks but I just bought the cellphone and I'm trying to use it like a cellphone should be used, that is, like an Unix server. | 01:05 |
| jonni | disclaimer, normal people should never do the commands that I pasted there, as it really nukes all your signong credentials to kingdoms gone. | 01:05 |
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| jesuschrist^ | jonni : what does apscli do ? | 01:07 |
| jonni | ptl: irssi is in ovi store, tmux and screen can be found from rzr&djzapi repoes, vi/vim is in nokia repo. | 01:07 |
| jesuschrist^ | anyway im already downloading the image with navifirm | 01:07 |
| jonni | jesuschrist^: its a commandline cli to mess with aegis stores. | 01:07 |
| jonni | jesuschrist^: (and its not meant for normal end users to use) | 01:08 |
| jesuschrist^ | i already tried to delete the .Skype | 01:08 |
| jesuschrist^ | anyway | 01:08 |
| ptl | I couldn't find irssi in Ovi store | 01:08 |
| jesuschrist^ | and i also deleted signon.db | 01:08 |
| ptl | and rzr's repository is not compatible with PR1.3 yet | 01:08 |
| jonni | ptl: http://store.ovi.com/content/212247 | 01:08 |
| jonni | ptl: tmux from rzr repo works fine with PR1.3, I installed it today to my PR1.3 | 01:09 |
| jesuschrist^ | screen works too | 01:09 |
| jesuschrist^ | just from the user who owns the terminal | 01:10 |
| jesuschrist^ | anyway im doing an hard reset, if this solves i wont reflash | 01:10 |
| ptl | hmm | 01:10 |
| ptl | thanks, I'll try again | 01:10 |
| ptl | I don't know why searching for irssi on "Loja" (means shop in portuguese) did not return irssi | 01:11 |
| ptl | but I got the text message to install the package | 01:11 |
| jonni | maybe you searched irssi and not Irssi :) | 01:11 |
| ptl | is it case-sensitive? | 01:11 |
| jonni | yep :) | 01:11 |
| ptl | damn! | 01:11 |
| jonni | or might be some other reason too, you never know :) | 01:12 |
| jesuschrist^ | jonni : anyway seems quite strange, because it seems credentials were stored in signon.db, yet moving the file didnt change nything | 01:12 |
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| ptl | what is the repository address you have? | 01:12 |
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| ptl | no | 01:12 |
| ptl | it was not the case-sensitivity | 01:13 |
| ptl | I just tried to search for Irssi and it returned FingerTerm | 01:13 |
| jonni | jesuschrist^: credentials are not stored in only one file ;) | 01:13 |
| jesuschrist^ | i couldnt find anywhere else, there are some topics on TMO with ppl in the same situation and no advise, exept flashing | 01:14 |
| rigo | jonni, my 3G doesn't work, so I can't install developer-mode by switch, so I have to do that by hand. if i do apt-get install it won't let me as I am not root and I can't become root without developer-mode | 01:16 |
| rigo | catch 22 :( | 01:17 |
| ptl | wow | 01:17 |
| ptl | searching on the web ovi store also did not show irssi! | 01:17 |
| ptl | http://store.ovi.com/search?q=irssi | 01:17 |
| ptl | does that work for you? | 01:17 |
| ptl | can't understand | 01:18 |
| jesuschrist^ | no it doesnt | 01:18 |
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| ptl | so it's not just me | 01:18 |
| jesuschrist^ | holy shit redownloading all my stuff is making me feel low :( | 01:19 |
| rigo | off the grid, tomorrow is another day | 01:19 |
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| jesuschrist^ | jonni : so what are you going to do next ? | 01:20 |
| jonni | jesuschrist^: are you saying that apscli command and reboot didnt help? | 01:20 |
| jonni | jesuschrist^: if not then reflash. | 01:20 |
| jesuschrist^ | jonni : i didnt try apscli, i was already hard resetting... | 01:21 |
| jesuschrist^ | and im waiting for the n9 to finish | 01:21 |
| jonni | ah I was too slow for rigo, you can get to root easily otherways too, and developer-mode doesnt need root to install anyways | 01:21 |
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| jesuschrist^ | anyway i have strong supsects | 01:26 |
| jesuschrist^ | on extraplugins last release for this mess | 01:26 |
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| jesuschrist^ | so you found irssi | 01:27 |
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| ptl_ | no, I didn't find irssi | 01:33 |
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| jesuschrist^ | what did you use then | 01:33 |
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| qwazix_N950 | Opera 12 is here :) | 01:38 |
| jesuschrist^ | wow hard reset failed badly | 01:38 |
| qwazix_N950 | But gives me download error :( | 01:38 |
| jesuschrist^ | time to flash :p | 01:39 |
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| tehdely | is it finally possible to set opera as your default browser | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | The fat lady sings! | 01:42 |
| tehdely | if it is, i will set it. i loved opera on symbian | 01:43 |
| tehdely | granted, grob is a lot better than the symbian browser | 01:43 |
| qwazix_N950 | Installed! And it seems to have support for maliit | 01:43 |
| tehdely | but the opera quicklaunch + double-tap-to-reflow are killer | 01:43 |
| qwazix_N950 | On the N950 it does weird things though | 01:43 |
| tehdely | does it support flash, or can i only use that in fennec | 01:44 |
| qwazix_N950 | how do you set it as def? pr1.3? | 01:45 |
| tehdely | still can't set it as default browser | 01:45 |
| tehdely | wtf | 01:45 |
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| qwazix_N950 | me neither | 01:45 |
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| M4rtinK | qwazix_N950: similar issues | 01:46 |
| M4rtinK | maliit show up only in landscape | 01:46 |
| M4rtinK | and won't go away | 01:46 |
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| qwazix_N950 | M4rtinK, There is now a setting to hide it | 01:47 |
| tehdely | also, youtube videos won't play | 01:47 |
| tehdely | "you can't play these types of files on your device" nonsense | 01:47 |
| * arcean_ updates Opera | 01:48 | |
| tehdely | is there a way to add codecs to Harmattan or no | 01:48 |
| tehdely | does it use gstreamer under the hood | 01:48 |
| qwazix_N950 | And you can always launch with --native-input or sth | 01:48 |
| M4rtinK | qwazix_N950: that what I had done - I've set "use Operas keyboard" to Never | 01:49 |
| M4rtinK | and it shows maliit, but is is stuck in landcape | 01:49 |
| qwazix_N950 | Lemme check tmo, cause the update overwrote my modified .desktop file | 01:49 |
| qwazix_N950 | M4rtinK, yes, true | 01:50 |
| qwazix_N950 | I thought you were saying it shows even with hwkb open | 01:50 |
| qwazix_N950 | Which it doesn't anymore | 01:50 |
| arcean_ | for me, maliit is stuck in landscape | 01:51 |
| arcean_ | *also | 01:51 |
| qwazix_N950 | It did on 11.50 and I had modified the .desktop file | 01:51 |
| qwazix_N950 | arcean_, N950? | 01:51 |
| arcean_ | yes, with PR 1.3 | 01:52 |
| qwazix_N950 | Still needs double return to accept input | 01:53 |
| qwazix_N950 | talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1215978&postcount=7 | 01:54 |
| qwazix_N950 | Although not needed after the update. | 01:54 |
| qwazix_N950 | action goes to check behaviour on N9 | 01:54 |
| qwazix_N950 | Update manager too many clicks away... | 01:55 |
| qwazix_N950 | ...and needs refresh twice | 01:57 |
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| qwazix_N950 | Nah, same behavior on the N9 | 02:11 |
| qwazix_N950 | G'night guys (ugt) | 02:11 |
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| Velmont | 00:48 * arcean_ updates Opera | 02:16 |
| Velmont | New one? | 02:16 |
| arcean_ | Velmont, yes, v12 | 02:17 |
| Velmont | Oh shi-. I should really follow Opera better. | 02:18 |
| Velmont | So, how can Opera make a setting to make it default? | 02:18 |
| Velmont | Anyone know what hook I should look at? Is it easy to do in a clean non-evil way from a package? | 02:18 |
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| JackaLX | I'm in the middle of OTA update to PR1.3 on my N9 and for the last hour (no, I'm not exaggerating) it has been sitting on 90%. Should I be concerned? | 02:32 |
| JackaLX | Unfortunately I can't log in via ssh to see what's going on because the update has turned off sshd | 02:33 |
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| JackaLX | The device still seems to be alive... I can short-press the hw power button and bring up the lock screen. And double-tap lock screen and come back to "MeeGo Update" screen with the progress bar | 02:35 |
| M4rtinK | JackaLX: check talk.maemo.org | 02:37 |
| JackaLX | k | 02:37 |
| M4rtinK | I think I saw a thread there about P 1.3 stuck on 90% (or some smilar %) | 02:37 |
| M4rtinK | *similar | 02:37 |
| JackaLX | searching now | 02:38 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: seems to be up now | 03:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i'm going to have to do something about the soon-to-expire ssl cert | 03:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it expires in about two weeks | 03:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | up 104 days, 7:34 | 03:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ^ it's not an uptime problem - but the provider that server's on has had some interweb uplink issues | 03:43 |
| ptl | should I change "developer's" shell to /bin/bash ? | 03:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ptl: sure, though it would be a good idea to make sure bash has been incepted | 03:45 |
| ptl | how do I do that? I change from develsh to develsh something? | 03:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | otherwise you can't run your shell with more than a basic level of access | 03:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, and that's also a problem, hmmm | 03:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, if you don't care about not magically being given dev-level access when you log in | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just change to bash | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can use ariadne (from inception) or develsh or something to gain more access | 03:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alternately, you could put a script in your home directory and put inside it: | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | #!/bin/sh | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | /bin/develsh -c '/bin/bash -' | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and then set your shell to that script | 03:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think that would work anyway, i haven't actually tried doing that | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ptl ^ | 03:48 |
| ptl | yeah, I was looking at develsh -c /bin/bash but I think it does not get all root permissions, right? | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you go with that approach it's important that you not put the script inside mydocs | 03:48 |
| ptl | only devel-sh or something | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that you make it +x | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, develsh gives you the permissions that are allowed for ovi apps only | 03:48 |
| ptl | yeah... MyDocs is vfat like in the N900 | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is a subset of root access, and not the interesting parts | 03:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | the new version of inception i released the other day comes with ariadne, which is like sudo | 03:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it gives you all access | 03:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you could just grab that and do ariadne sh if you want to upgrade to all access temporarily | 03:49 |
| ptl | I did not get what inception is about; it dodges the N9 DRM, is it? | 03:49 |
| ptl | nice! | 03:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | more or less | 03:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not really a drm system anymore, it's pretty much useless for drm purposes | 03:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it seems it was conceived to protect a drm system that never happened | 03:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's certainly a pain in the neck though and inception lets you get around it | 03:50 |
| ptl | using /bin/develsh -c /bin/bash made my ssh shared keys stop working | 03:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | weird | 03:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | probably an environment problem | 03:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what do you mean by 'shared keys' | 03:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are you sshing from the phone to somewhere else, or somewhere else to the phone | 03:51 |
| ptl | public/private keys ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub -> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 03:51 |
| ptl | that ones | 03:51 |
| ptl | from somewhere else to the phone | 03:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 03:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think it isn't an ssh problem, it's that you broke logging into developer | 03:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can't put an entire command line in as a shell | 03:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | only a path | 03:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's why i suggested that home directory script idea | 03:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is nothing but a stub to run that command | 03:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though it should be written like '/bin/bash -' i think, because that lets bash know that it's the login shell | 03:53 |
| ptl | I tried with bash -l | 03:53 |
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| ptl | let's try with bash - | 03:53 |
| JackaLX | /bin/bash --login | 03:53 |
| JackaLX | perhaps | 03:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think all of those should work but i'd probably have to check the man page | 03:54 |
| JackaLX | putting a single dash `-' at the end of a command line generally means "take input from stdin" like when you are piping commands together | 03:54 |
| ptl | I looked at the manpage | 03:54 |
| ptl | it's -l | 03:54 |
| ptl | but it does not work | 03:54 |
| ptl | and it does not accept my password | 03:55 |
| ptl | for some reason it simply does not let me log in when I use it like that | 03:55 |
| ptl | but if I return the shell to /bin/develsh it works. | 03:55 |
| ptl | Maybe I should use a script... I have some doubts whether one could use arguments in a login shell | 03:56 |
| ptl | where is a good place in the filesystem for a custom script? | 03:56 |
| ptl | I'm new to the N9. | 03:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | JackaLX: but shells are a weird special case | 03:57 |
| JackaLX | true, itsnotabigtruck | 03:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | A login shell is one whose first character of argument zero is a -, or one started with the --login option. | 03:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh wait, argument zero | 03:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if you did | 03:57 |
| ptl | /home/user/bin ? | 03:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ln -s /bin/bash -bash | 03:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | PATH=.:$PATH -bash | 03:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then it would act as a login shell | 03:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but what i said before was wrong :( | 03:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | go with the --login | 03:58 |
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| ptl | Yeah but I want to log in with full permissions | 04:00 |
| ptl | anyway, I cannot create a directory under /home/user | 04:00 |
| ptl | should I go with develsh? devel-su/ | 04:00 |
| ptl | /home/developer/bin $ cat login.sh | 04:02 |
| ptl | #!/bin/develsh | 04:02 |
| ptl | /bin/develsh -c '/bin/bash -l' | 04:02 |
| ptl | let's try this | 04:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ptl: develsh won't give you full permission, and ariadne will prompt for your root password | 04:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | setting it up to log directly into full access isn't a great idea | 04:02 |
| ptl | :( | 04:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what i'd suggest is simply setting the shell to /bin/bash and gaining access only when you need it | 04:03 |
| ptl | but let's try it | 04:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just like you'd do on a regular linux system | 04:03 |
| ptl | I also added my login.sh to /etc/shells | 04:03 |
| ptl | yay! | 04:04 |
| ptl | It worked! | 04:04 |
| JackaLX | OK, my PR1.3 OTA update has just gone passed the 3 hour mark since it got to 90%. I think I'm starting to get a little impatient | 04:04 |
| ptl | bash-4.1$ id | 04:04 |
| ptl | uid=29999(user) gid=30024(developer) groups=0(root),20(dialout),44(video),670(pulse-access),29999(users),30011(metadata-users),30014(calendar),30023(gallerycoredata-users),9990230,9990254,9990255,9990256,9990257,9990258,9990290,9990291,9990351,9990404,9990405,9990432,9990617 | 04:04 |
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| jabis | JackaLX: dun-dun-duuun - sounds like it went sour | 04:05 |
| JackaLX | jabis: 40 minutes or so ago I saw evidence that it was still chugging along | 04:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ptl: now get inception :p you'll see a drastically longer list | 04:06 |
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| jabis | Jacka, I waited 6 hours - in the end had to reflash anyway - upon rebooting some big red letters of failed update trying to salvage stuff - and all apps were borked | 04:07 |
| JackaLX | jabis: ewwww no don't say that. You scare me | 04:07 |
| ptl | itsnotabigtruck: I got inception 0.2 installed | 04:08 |
| ptl | now, color prompt | 04:08 |
| ptl | it's essential | 04:08 |
| ptl | I log in to dozens of servers at the same time... | 04:08 |
| ptl | I differentiate them by color | 04:08 |
| JackaLX | ptl: haha, I do that too | 04:09 |
| JackaLX | I have the hostname in the prompt too, but it is quicker and easier for the eyes to see the colour difference | 04:10 |
| JackaLX | OK, time to bite the bullet... time to reboot this pig. I figure if it all goes south I can flash it (I've got the 1.3 image here) | 04:12 |
| jabis | GL Jackal | 04:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | JackaLX: :( | 04:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is there any evidence what's causing the problem? | 04:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since this doesn't sound very unique | 04:15 |
| JackaLX | itsnotabigtruck: not that I could tell | 04:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there was a tmo thread suggesting it was caused by inception 0.1 | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm | 04:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i never saw any such issue in my testing | 04:15 |
| JackaLX | it's rebooting now | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I installed the update I got notifications for on my N950 today. | 04:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however system package mods could easily cause problems | 04:15 |
| RST38h | What update? | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | /usr/bin/aegis-session: not found when I try to open Terminal | 04:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you incept a custom package over a system package, the package can't be replaced with a nokia package | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, various system applications. | 04:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | without some serious hackery | 04:16 |
| RST38h | hmm, interesting | 04:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and a lot of people installed that system-ui mod | 04:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: pr1.3 | 04:16 |
| RST38h | for N950? | 04:16 |
| RST38h | really? | 04:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no, only for n9 so far | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's N950 | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | No PR1.3 here. | 04:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh? | 04:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, no change then | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Half my applications are missing from the home screen. | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can I reboot. :< | 04:17 |
| * RST38h still has rss feeds broken after pr1.2b and no idea how to fix them | 04:17 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe caused by Firefox 13 | 04:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it definitely seems like flashing is a good idea even when the OTA upgrade doesn't bomb | 04:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they've never worked reliably | 04:18 |
| RST38h | Mine says "device up to date", no updates | 04:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bbiaf | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2012-04-09.log.html | 04:19 |
| RST38h | General, what updates? | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, Twitter, etc. | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Didn't pay close attention | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the Firefox update may have broken everything. | 04:19 |
| ptl | ok, color prompt working, let's try from the native terminal | 04:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Goddamn | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have a current backup | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I /really/ don't want to have to reflash. | 04:20 |
| RST38h | weird weird crap | 04:21 |
| RST38h | N950 screen looks so dim after looking at the Note | 04:21 |
| RST38h | But at least it does not have this ugly not-quite-black that spoils video playback | 04:21 |
| jabis | I had a reset'd device prior update and BOOM it went sour x) | 04:22 |
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| JackaLX | w00t! Version: PR1.3 40.2012.21-3_PR_005 | 04:22 |
| jabis | check that all your apps work - my facebook, twitter etc were all borked | 04:22 |
| jabis | everytime something goes sour, eventhough no trace - I reflash just in case | 04:22 |
| JackaLX | I'm getting Twitter updates on feed homescreen. and the Twitter app appears to be workign fine | 04:22 |
| JackaLX | I don't use facebook | 04:22 |
| jabis | tho could be useful to dump all your logs before/if you decide to reflash :) | 04:22 |
| jabis | check email clients and all that stuff too :) did you receive the red letters upon rebooting? | 04:22 |
| JackaLX | all my IM a/c's are up and running | 04:22 |
| JackaLX | nope, no red | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aegis rejecting /var/cache/apt/archives/qt-components_1.3~git20120215-1+0m8_armel.deb | 04:22 |
| ptl | how can I log in as 'developer' from within the device? | 04:23 |
| ptl | tried su - developer as root, failed setting groups | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | For some reason apt-get -f install wants to install qt-components | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | But Aegis wont let it | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can I force it somehow? | 04:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, shit. | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the PR1.3 version | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, now I know what I did. | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Installed the N9 Skype plugin last night. | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Forgot to remove the N9 repo. | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 04:26 |
| jabis | :D | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Crap | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need a way to back up the contacts DB | 04:27 |
| ptl | scp not working :-/ | 04:27 |
| JackaLX | ptl: `developer' and `user' are actually the same user, if you ssh in as developer and do whoami or id you'll see that your uid is that of `user' | 04:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles headdesks. | 04:28 | |
| ptl | I know | 04:29 |
| ptl | same uid | 04:29 |
| ptl | changing developer's shell back to /bin/develsh made scp work again | 04:30 |
| ptl | it seems that the login script captures the standard input that scp uses. | 04:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Guess I'm reflashing. | 04:33 |
| jabis | GeneralAntilles: perhaps backup the whole tracker store with: tracker-control --backup=store.sqlite | 04:35 |
| jabis | then move it out to your own computer for safety | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | No way to get it out | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Networking doesn't work | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | USB mass storage doesn't work | 04:37 |
| jabis | well move it to the MyDocs - flashing wont touch there (unless you flash the emmc too) | 04:37 |
| jabis | tracker-control --restore=store.sqlite will restore the db as long as it isn't damaged | 04:38 |
| ptl | it went well | 04:38 |
| ptl | try it out, ppl | 04:38 |
| ptl | in ~/.bashrc | 04:38 |
| ptl | (can I paste it here? only 6 lines) | 04:39 |
| ptl | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1083762/ | 04:40 |
| ptl | k | 04:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ptl: you need to use devel-su instead of su | 04:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | devel-su is exactly the same as su except that it's fixed up to work with aegis | 04:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however also devel-su resets access so keep that in mind | 04:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, also - developer has the same uid as user | 04:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's no real reason to log in as developer from the device | 04:42 |
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| ptl | itsnotabigtruck: the reason would be to automatically load developer's ~/.profile that may be different from user's .profile | 05:00 |
| ptl | anyway | 05:00 |
| ptl | fingerterminal is awesome. | 05:01 |
| ptl | I thought I would be unable to use N9 as I used my old N900. I was wrong. | 05:01 |
| ptl | The translucent keyboard is great. | 05:01 |
| ptl | I don't want to spoil user's .profile because I know it can set the system unoperable... | 05:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/wanv2/when_im_being_tailgated_i_calmly_slow_down_until/c5bqiil | 05:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ^ so true | 05:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (the comment highlighted that is) | 05:04 |
| ptl | I think the N9 is great, but it is a pity it doesn't employ widgets. Queen Beacon Widget on the N900 deserved a geek trophy. | 05:06 |
| RST38h | Queen Beacon Widget was so awful that it made you tear your eyes out | 05:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | goka: hmm? looks like you sent a blank message | 05:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bb5_rdc_cert_read_failed | 05:31 |
| RST38h | OMG trouble | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | This was so much easier on the N900. | 05:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There must be a workaround | 05:49 |
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| ladoga | what about ~/.profile making system inoperable? | 05:58 |
| ladoga | i haven't heard about that | 05:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have any suggestions? | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont let me flash the older firmware | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | But there is no PR1.3 for N950. | 06:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ladoga: well, if any system stuff loads it, breaking it could easily pwn your system, i guess | 06:01 |
| ladoga | itsnotabigtruck: thanks | 06:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i know, that isn't very informative :p | 06:01 |
| ladoga | i've edited it many times without knowing that | 06:01 |
| ladoga | no issues so far though | 06:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm not actually sure | 06:02 |
| ladoga | and i haven't removed any of the default lines | 06:02 |
| ladoga | just added my own ones so maybe that's it | 06:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i guess really all it should end up doing is to screw up your shell prompt or something | 06:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though isn't there some environment setup stuff in there? | 06:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that could be significant | 06:02 |
| ladoga | there's stuff like eval `/usr/bin/aegis-session --sh-syntax` | 06:03 |
| ladoga | which i haven't touched | 06:03 |
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| ladoga | itsnotabigtruck: yes | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Big hooray. N950 is a brick. | 06:04 |
| ladoga | some variables seem to be set up there | 06:04 |
| ladoga | i wouldnt touch "export QT_IM_MODULE=MInputContext" either...as i don't know what's it about | 06:05 |
| ladoga | GeneralAntilles: isn't there anything you can do? | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | ladoga, that's the question I'd really like an answer to | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Accidentally upgraded to the N9's PR1.3 because I tried to get Skype installed last night and forgot to remove the repo. | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now I can't flash it because it disallows the downgrade. | 06:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh fuck | 06:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you get it operational, there might be something you could do | 06:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it won't boot, not really | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont boot | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | PR1.3 thoroughly screwed it up. | 06:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 06:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | build a custom firmware image | 06:10 |
| ladoga | flasher really needs an option to downgrade | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't without the master key. | 06:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with the pr1.3 n9 sw cert and a pr1.2 rootfs payload | 06:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nope, you can, see the tmo thread | 06:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | and also the pr1.2 stock kernel | 06:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that *should* work, and go into open mode in the process | 06:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however...crap, the solution i was thinking of relies on not being in open mode :p | 06:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but if you don't mind staying in open mode forever that ought to at least get you unbricked | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which thread? | 06:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85297&page=2 | 06:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | scroll to the middle | 06:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in this case you'd just do the 1st step and the last 2 steps | 06:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but with more stuff in the image | 06:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Alright, thanks. | 06:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guess I'll try it in the morning. | 06:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | keep in mind that this isn't going to be easy | 06:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so be prepared to spend a long time digging up the utilities, dumping stuff, and reassembling it | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Might see if I can send it in for flashing first. | 06:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that layout file, you should be able to obtain by strings'ing the image | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | What a stupid user-hostile waste of my life. | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it specifies where the rootfs is supposed to be flashed on the emmc | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (even though it's separate from the "emmc image" the rootfs image is flashed onto the emmc too) | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the fiasco image, that is | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Back to N900 | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird not having swipe. | 06:18 |
| RST38h | Don't you know that it is all done for your safety and security? | 06:30 |
| RST38h | So that no evildoer could flash your phone with his evildoing firmware! | 06:30 |
| * RST38h cackles satanically | 06:30 | |
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| japh | generalantilles, in what way? this is what I did http://i.japh.se/_photo/upstart.jpg | 07:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | night! | 08:14 |
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| aparaatti | Hi, is it possible to make a snapshot image of my current system to be able to recover it using flasher? | 08:33 |
| aparaatti | ...and good morning | 08:34 |
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| denism | aparaatti: good morning, for usual devices - no. It is not possible to flash random files | 08:37 |
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| aparaatti | is there anyway to back all the installed apps? | 08:42 |
| denism | aparaatti: do you have something at /var/cache/apt/archives? | 08:43 |
| denism | you can try copy those .deb files to other location and install them back later. | 08:43 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: yeah, it came up a minute after i said that its down :P | 08:43 |
| denism | but their settings will be lost, it will be just a fresh installation | 08:44 |
| aparaatti | no file in cache | 08:44 |
| aparaatti | just file lock and a folder called partial | 08:45 |
| aparaatti | ok... I guess I will hose the phone at some point and just buy the apps again... :) | 08:46 |
| denism | ok, then there is no stored .deb files... it should not be a problem to re-create .deb file by dpkg and apt device' settings, but I do not know is there such tool available or not | 08:46 |
| japh | dpkg --get-selections , and for settings just copy /{etc,usr,opt} etc? | 08:47 |
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| denism | japh: will it update aegis hashes properly? | 08:49 |
| denism | ok did the man read, so it is just a package list. It is not possible to download paid app back just by package name | 08:52 |
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| japh | heh I didn't even think of paid apps | 08:54 |
| japh | I didn't think they were used much | 08:55 |
| denism | yeah, if N9 would be born in 2007 - there would be millions of paid apps for N9, and there would no be iPhone. :) | 08:56 |
| japh | do you pay for all apps on iphones? | 08:56 |
| denism | but no - for me it seems that most of paid apps are bought by community members to 'sponsor' the development. Lets say like donation. | 08:57 |
| denism | japh: I just bought 3 apps from EA (~5 days ago). There was a discount, 0.79 euro per item :) | 08:57 |
| japh | uhm, maybe. if the money goes to the dev and not 90% to $vendor or whatever | 08:57 |
| japh | I've given money and hardware to people whose software I can not live without | 08:58 |
| japh | EA! Deluxe paint! | 08:58 |
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| aparaatti | there is the all important pinball fantasies that I'll probably have to buy again :) | 09:34 |
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| Kozzi | ladoga: d8es it work? | 11:00 |
| Kozzi | s/d8es/does | 11:00 |
| Kozzi | s\d8es\does | 11:01 |
| Kozzi | sigh | 11:01 |
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| ladoga | Kozzi: Why wouldn't it? | 11:22 |
| kozzi_ | dunno, sometimes my code builds without errors but usually this doesnt mean that the program works | 11:24 |
| ladoga | I didn't use it to download anything yet, I'll try to package it first and see then... | 11:25 |
| kozzi_ | ok, thanks | 11:26 |
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| ladoga | if youre in hurry just install scratchbox and compile it | 11:26 |
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| ladoga | all it needs is for you to type "make" and thats it...i just dont want to install it without packaging first | 11:28 |
| kozzi_ | wont be home till the end of this month so not able to try it | 11:29 |
| ladoga | i could try to add its libs to path to make it work without installing i guess | 11:30 |
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| ladoga | Kozzi: ok...i'll try when i get home from work | 11:32 |
| kozzi_ | ladoga, ok great | 11:33 |
| vladest | soooo. still no pr1.3 for n950? | 11:39 |
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| ZogG_laptop | trx, thanks for rdesktop =) | 13:48 |
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| pa | is any nx client now available for harmattan? | 14:11 |
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| niwakame | So I tried QPair<const Single, const Single> marriage = qMakePair(singleOne, singleTwo); but it didn't work | 15:32 |
| pa | stupid question: can the swype interface be used by jollamobile or is it patented? | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | swype is patented | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | As is swipe | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Also skype | 15:35 |
| thp | pa: swype = vkb, swipe = "n9 ux" | 15:35 |
| pa | yes sorry, swipe | 15:37 |
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| niwakame | Nokia has given Jolla some patents, don't know which | 15:38 |
| pa | so essentially, no further phones will be using the swipe interface? | 15:38 |
| virtuald | ux=just a fancy way of saying ui | 15:38 |
| pa | (as i assume winphones are only metro, and nokia wont be building anything else soon) | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | niwakame: that's a mistranslation from a finnish source. | 15:38 |
| niwakame | what's the correct meaning? | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | meaning that sometimes nokia bridge does this, but this wasn't a case in jolla | 15:39 |
| niwakame | Aww, sad | 15:39 |
| thp | virtuald: i could argue that ux = more than just ui | 15:40 |
| virtuald | i could argue the new name is needed to make people think outside le box | 15:41 |
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| niwakame | Manager talk: "We need something really catchy! Come on guys" - "Well..think of it..everything with an X in it is cool, like X-Men!" - "So be it, let's call it UX!" *standing ovations* | 15:43 |
| niwakame | and that's not so far from reality -_-' | 15:44 |
| niwakame | ^^ | 15:44 |
| thp | http://www.quora.com/Product-Design-physical-goods/Whats-the-difference-between-UI-Design-and-UX-Design-1 | 15:44 |
| azeem | niwakame: has that patent transfer been confirmed? There were conflicting informations about a badly (google) translated finnish interview with the Jolla CEO | 15:45 |
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| alterego | azeem: the interview just said they'd been created with the help of Nokia's bridge program. Other people, over twitter, tmo, etc. Have said that that meant they got IP from Nokia, but that isn't the case. | 15:48 |
| pa | i will miss the swipe tho.. | 15:48 |
| alterego | The interview never said that. | 15:48 |
| GAN900 | Is swipe patented? | 15:50 |
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| alterego | GAN900: even if it isn't still their IP no? | 15:51 |
| GAN900 | It's not like there isn't similar stuff elsewhere. | 15:51 |
| GAN900 | You can't call it Swipe, but that doesn't preclude the option of switching applications by that method. | 15:53 |
| GAN900 | (I really don't remember how to type on the N900 keyboard) | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I was assuming it was patented. | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | As seemingly everything is. | 15:54 |
| alterego | GAN900: sure, so lets do a UX called "wipe" :) | 15:54 |
| alterego | bbl | 15:56 |
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| flux | alterego, make it a two-finger gesture and patent that, cite one-finger swipe as existing work | 15:56 |
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| flux | alterego, then have it be so buggy that one-finger gesture works as well ;) | 15:57 |
| azeem | "traffic: false, //true, // TODO: change back when management makes up their mind" | 15:57 |
| azeem | lol | 15:57 |
| * xarcass thinks RIM Playbook uses pretty same swipe for app switching. at least BB10 surely does | 16:03 | |
| denism | there is no any released BB10, I have heard that they have shown a lot of 'features' which are even not licensed by them | 16:10 |
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| denism | so it is not known what will be in the release version | 16:11 |
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| rigo | what is the equivalent for APN in the N9? | 16:13 |
| Corsac | rigo: “Access point name”? | 16:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Trying to unpack Mac OCF gives invalid FIASCO file header | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do I need to use the Linux OCF? | 16:20 |
| jonni | how are you trying to unpack it | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.5 -F <image> -u | 16:23 |
| jonni | and how did you extract the bin out of the OFC first? | 16:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, haven't done that. | 16:24 |
| jonni | your doing it wrong if you try to extract ocf directly :) | 16:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there a quick'n'easy how to somewhere? | 16:24 |
| jonni | yes in TMO :) | 16:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Useless search | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guess I'm doing this after class. | 16:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm, looks like firefox OS has multitasking, the real one. at least as it's shown on video of prototype preview | 16:31 |
| hiemanshu | writing QML after so long, nothing makes sense :( | 16:31 |
| jonni | GeneralAntilles: as a hint I can say that in mac/linux look at temporary dirs where its extracted, and on windows you can just drop ocf.exe to winrar :) | 16:38 |
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| ZogG_laptop | GAN900, Corsac is it me, or you were missing here for a while? | 16:51 |
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| Corsac | missing? | 16:52 |
| ladoga | seems like rtmpdump almost builds with rules from debian package, but i get error "librtmp0 missing files (usr/lib/*/lib*.so.*), aborting" | 16:54 |
| Corsac | remove the first * | 16:55 |
| ladoga | yes i figured | 16:55 |
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| Corsac | you build with a non-multiarch dpkg/debhelper, that's why :) | 16:55 |
| ladoga | but i haven't found it anywhere | 16:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | Corsac, didn't see you here for a while, or we just from different TZs | 16:56 |
| ladoga | yes debian would install those libs to /usr/lib/<arch>/ | 16:56 |
| ladoga | while i just need /usr/lib | 16:56 |
| Corsac | ZogG_laptop: i'm in CEST but I'm quite idle these days | 16:56 |
| ladoga | in rules i have "MAKEVARS=prefix=/usr CRYPTO=OPENSSL LIBDIR=/usr/lib" | 16:57 |
| ladoga | so i don't know where it gets that extra * :) | 16:58 |
| Corsac | ladoga: from the debian/*.install files | 16:58 |
| ladoga | thanks | 16:58 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | GeneralAntilles: i know that 7-zip can take apart the windows version of the ocf | 17:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think doc or someone write a utility that tears apart the linux version | 17:02 |
| ladoga | should i omit manpages? and can i simply remove debian/rtmpdump.manpages | 17:04 |
| ladoga | or does it matter | 17:04 |
| ladoga | cd .. | 17:05 |
| ladoga | ops:) | 17:05 |
| ladoga | mouse focus | 17:05 |
| deram | focus follow mind not implemented | 17:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ladoga: when you install a package on harmattan it nukes all the manpages, changelogs, and copyright files | 17:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | everything in /usr/share/doc | 17:06 |
| ladoga | deram: that's a good UI idea for jolla mob | 17:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so including them or not is a moot point, but debian regs say that you *have* to have the changelog and copyright files so at least have those | 17:06 |
| ladoga | itsnotabigtruck: thanks | 17:07 |
| Namek | Hi, yesterday I asked about the aegis file for my app, it's a daemon that access an sqlite db and has a dbus interface, here's what I have now http://pastebin.com/mEtJzPf9 my app is launched as user but I can't register the dbus interface, if I leave the auto generated aegis file my app is launched as nobody so I can't write to the db :( | 17:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Namek: it looks like you need to assert 'access' too? | 17:08 |
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| Namek | itsnotabigtruck: I don't understand :( what I'm missing? or what shouldn't be there? | 17:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Namek: i think <credential name="access" /> | 17:11 |
| Namek | like the third line? | 17:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you specified that as the credential required to talk to dbus, but you aren't asserting it on your program | 17:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you need to add it to the request area also | 17:11 |
| Namek | oh | 17:11 |
| Namek | thanks :) I will try that right now | 17:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it doesn't look like you're using control at all | 17:12 |
| Namek | what's control for? | 17:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't know, it's in your xml | 17:12 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | unless your app specifically checks for it somewhere, there's no reason to have it | 17:12 |
| Namek | I took it from the dbus example in harmattan dev | 17:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm | 17:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, i haven't done dbus + aegis before so it would probably be a good idea to look over the docs | 17:13 |
| Namek | I did look at the docs, they just ain't that clear :( I guess I should try first to make the dbus interface work and then worry about launching my app as user | 17:14 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | well, the idea is that you're defining a policy for dbus that allows programs with token x to talk to your dbus service | 17:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually i just realized that you don't need to assert access like i said, because that's for other apps that want to talk to your dbus server | 17:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not the dbus server itself | 17:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so i led you astray :( | 17:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are you sure all the paths are correct? | 17:18 |
| hiemanshu | so is there a way to run a GUI as root? | 17:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hiemanshu: not without cap::dac_override | 17:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i looked into that a while back for opptimizer | 17:20 |
| Namek | itsnotabigtruck: yest the paths are correct, it didn't work :( I don't know what else can I do as If I used the auto gen aegis file my app can't access the database when rebooting | 17:20 |
| hiemanshu | itsnotabigtruck: so thats a no :( | 17:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hiemanshu: pretty much, better figure out some other way to do it, like spawning a process | 17:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or... | 17:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | assert uid::root and the setxid policy mod | 17:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *mode then setreuid to swap the real and effective uids at will | 17:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that means however that your app won't work correctly if it's launched as root | 17:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you could also use setfsuid instead of setreuid | 17:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but there's a good chance you can find a way to avoid needing to run as the root user at all | 17:23 |
| hiemanshu | itsnotabigtruck: I can spawn a process, I just need to well, run something as root | 17:24 |
| ladoga | bah..it still doesn't create any directories under debian/librtmp0, though all libs get compiled and sit in the build dir | 17:24 |
| hiemanshu | run a command as root basically | 17:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hiemanshu: which command? | 17:25 |
| hiemanshu | itsnotabigtruck: well cant say that, lets see if I can do without root | 17:26 |
| hiemanshu | I'll find a way around | 17:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hiemanshu: unless you're doing a filesystem write, you probably don't actually need the root user | 17:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | see if you can assert capabilities instead | 17:27 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 17:27 |
| hiemanshu | I'll see that | 17:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also if you're doing a filesystem read, cap::dac_read_search is a developer credential | 17:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's like cap::dac_override for reads only | 17:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in some cases you might be able to get away with that | 17:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but keep in mind that executing a process from a process that has an aegis add or set policy which includes any credentials | 17:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is usually a security hole | 17:29 |
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| zx2c4 | itsnotabigtruck, whats that command to list the aegeis privs a process has? | 17:37 |
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| niwakame | Segfaulting malf only occurs on system components, right? | 17:49 |
| niwakame | So if I'm segfaulting like crazy on a selfwritten program that doesn't matter? | 17:50 |
| Namek | is there a way to add to my buld something like DEFINES += MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN automatically so if I change the target I doesn't define that macro? | 17:50 |
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| djszapi|vbox | Hey! Is anybody developing for Harmattan from XP? | 19:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | zx2c4: just got back online | 19:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's accli -I | 19:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can add an argument to look it up for an arbitrary pid | 19:28 |
| djszapi|vbox | itsnotabigtruck: ping | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | normally it does its own parent pid (i.e. the shell you ran it from) | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi|vbox: 'sup | 19:29 |
| djszapi|vbox | you are the guru at random stuff :) | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:29 |
| djszapi|vbox | having a hefty stuff | 19:29 |
| djszapi|vbox | itsnotabigtruck: http://paste.kde.org/515384/ | 19:29 |
| djszapi|vbox | using linux in virtualbox | 19:29 |
| djszapi|vbox | 'd like to install an enclipse environment | 19:29 |
| ptl | does anyone have aiccu compiled for the N9? | 19:29 |
| djszapi|vbox | for DSP development | 19:29 |
| djszapi|vbox | ptl: still nop | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no idea at all | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | obviously some kind of font related thing | 19:30 |
| ptl | k thx | 19:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | man, i'm getting a LOT of spams lately | 19:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | most of them seem to have a subject of 'newsletter', and that's it | 19:31 |
| djszapi|vbox | itsnotabigtruck: got a clue to fix the thingie? | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi|vbox: the 'no idea at all' was about your issue | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i really don't know much about x and that sounds like a weird problem | 19:33 |
| djszapi|vbox | itsnotabigtruck: ^^ | 19:33 |
| djszapi|vbox | I am not good jedi enough | 19:33 |
| djszapi|vbox | itsnotabigtruck: you have an idea :) | 19:33 |
| djszapi|vbox | you should now repeat you ahve one ;) | 19:33 |
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| djszapi|vbox | have* | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:35 |
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| niwakame | bah | 19:46 |
| niwakame | anyone here who is familiar with oauth on REST basis? | 19:46 |
| niwakame | so basically the transmitted information rather than generation (that works) | 19:46 |
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| Namek | jonni: are you there? | 20:12 |
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| djszapi|vbox | Namek: do not ask to ask | 20:16 |
| Namek | djszapi: sorry, yesterday jonni was the one that seems to know the answer to my question | 20:19 |
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| djszapi|vbox | Namek: well, it is your problem to not fire away instantly. | 20:29 |
| Namek | take it easy dude, I'm not harming anyone | 20:32 |
| djszapi|vbox | meh | 20:33 |
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| djszapi|vbox | rzr: so do you have time for packaging that stuff? | 20:53 |
| rzr | yes | 20:54 |
| rzr | it depends on ocaml | 20:54 |
| rzr | so not that easy | 20:54 |
| rzr | i did push a package to u in case u want to finish it | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | anyone got an N9 with PR1.3? | 21:02 |
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| djszapi|vbox | rzr: I would not like to. :) | 21:02 |
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| Namek | I do | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | can you do dpkg -l system-ui and paste the full version string? | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | make sure the terminal/ssh window is maximized | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | or use | less / | more | 21:08 |
| Namek | as user? or root? | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't matter | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | user | 21:08 |
| Namek | 1.3.2-1+0m8 | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | we're gonna have a problem here | 21:11 |
| Namek | :( | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | anyone got PR1.3 sources DVD? | 21:11 |
| Namek | what's the problem? | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, git has a newer version | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | no problems, carry on, thanks :p | 21:13 |
| djszapi|vbox | rzr: please drop me an email once the package is available, thanks. | 21:13 |
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| rigo | anybody an idea how to resolve my download/dependency problem with PR 1.3? some apps load, but dev-mode doesn't. Even with meecatalog, install of openssh server fails. can't change the nameserver either | 21:25 |
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| niwakame | someone knows how to disable headers with QNetworkRequest? | 21:31 |
| niwakame | I tried req.setRawHeader("Accept-Language",QByteArray()); | 21:32 |
| niwakame | but that does nothing... | 21:32 |
| MohammadAG | 32wd_to reboots | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | wtf | 21:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, it was complaining about layout files when I tried to flash the rootfs. | 21:36 |
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| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, exact command and exact error? | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | One sec. | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, it's pretty clearly not letting me update because it sees PR1.3 on the device. | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, but it should be easy to circumvent that imo | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there any way to force around that that doesn't involve building a new FIASCO image with PR1.3 certs and PR1.2 payload as itsnotabigtruck suggested? | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | the layout file is for eMMC flashing, you might lose data | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't care | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just don't want to have to mail it back to Finland. | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | flasher -r ./rootfs.jffs2 -f | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | ERROR: rootfs in this format requires a layout file - you need to use fiasco-gen | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | you need to build an image | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | that's what fiasco-gen does | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | you have SB right? | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not installed currently, no. | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | how'd you get PR1.3 on it? | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, I installed the Skype stuff from the N9 repo the other night. | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then forgot to disable the repo | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | and stupidly installed the updates it notified me about in the morning. | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | and it bricked just like that? | 21:41 |
| arcean | strange, I'm running N9 PR1.3 on N950 :) | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | it should work fine | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | arcean, different method? | 21:43 |
| arcean | no, just OTA | 21:43 |
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| jonni | rigo: you dont need to be root to install dev-mode, you can install it as user too. | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there an N9 OCF I could flash without screwing up cellmo etc? | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | Doubt it | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | or you could try actually | 21:43 |
| arcean | cellmo is the same | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | it's not like there's a permanent brick anyway | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | How much more of a brick can I make it? | 21:44 |
| denism | regarding to PR1.3 - strange, just got a lot of problems on qt-components app (FBReader). Never seen such misbehaviour on PR1.2, so most probably - some new bugs :( | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | nothing more | 21:44 |
| jonni | or maybe people show wait a while and see if official N950 PR1.3 is released ;) | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | it won't be | 21:44 |
| arcean | jonni, yes with 1.3 SDK repo ? :D | 21:45 |
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| denism | I hope they will spend such resources for PR1.4 for N9 instead of PR1.3 for N950 | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | afaik you could set version via flasher-3.5 | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | not sure it'd work on the N950 | 21:45 |
| arcean | denism, 1.3 for N950 is ready (well sort of) | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody must've worked out how to downgrade. | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | wonder if cold flashing would work... | 21:46 |
| arcean | GeneralAntilles, did you try itsnotabigtruck method with fiasco-gen? | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is such a stupid situation to be in. | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | he doesn't have fiasco-gen | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, try cold flashing | 21:46 |
| arcean | ohh | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | I doubt it'll work, but worth a shot | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | arcean, no, I'm not sure where to start and don't have the tools easily at hand. | 21:47 |
| denism | arcaen: do you mean RM680 image? There should be a proper SDK update and so on - I do not believe it is 'ready' | 21:47 |
| arcean | hmm | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, you'll need SB installed to use fiasco-gen | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, anyway, try cold flashing | 21:48 |
| arcean | denism, I saw PR 1.3 repo for N950 :P | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://pastebin.com/iwD9xREC | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | now try to flash the full PR1.2 image | 21:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://pastebin.com/vicV8rqi | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same complaint | 21:50 |
| jonni | arcean: that one is not public yet, so remember the channel topic, no NDA stuff here. | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | What an obnoxious feature for a dev phone. | 21:51 |
| arcean | MohammadAG, btw mp-harmattan-xxx-pr contains sw-cert (flashes?) | 21:51 |
| denism | arcean: I think they are generated automatically. But does anyone work for PR1.3 for N950? (do tests and so on) Really not sure. | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | arcean, where does it have it? | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why can't I just say "Yes, yes. Install it anyway and force open mode." | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would be helpful. | 21:54 |
| denism | I would like to get PR1.3 for N950, but I do not believe to such possibility at all. :( | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | ~ $ sysinfoclient -g /device/sw-release-ver | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | this is where it gets it | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | ~ $ sysinfoclient -g /device/sw-release-ver | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | /device/sw-release-ver = DFL61_HARMATTAN_3.2012.02-6_PR_RM680 | 21:56 |
| arcean | MohammadAG, /usr/share/osso/cert-sw | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, so how do I overwrite? | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | MMC content version that the device currently has. | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | Example: "DFL61_HARMATTAN_0.2010.49-3" | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | This value gets set when the device is flashed, and it can also | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | change after upgrading via SSU. | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | Currently sysinfod reads this from CAL. | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | you need to modify cal, not sure if that's safe | 21:57 |
| arcean | denism, it's possible to use N9 repo | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ I don't recommend it. O_O | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | ConF | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | sw-release-ver | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | q"DFL61_HARMATTAN_3.2012.02-6_PR_RM680ConF | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | there it is | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, wasn't there a tool to modify cal? | 21:59 |
| jonni | GeneralAntilles: I must have missed the backlog, what is the current state and what you are trying to solve? | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | View-openmode | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | ConF | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | o hai | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: there was | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kinda | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | jonni, current state is an N950 brick that wont boot that's PR1.3 enough that I can't reflash it with the public PR1.2 image available for N950. | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, here's the best bet | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | backup /dev/mtd1 | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | then sed the value | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, where? | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, lost the link | 22:01 |
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| jonni | GeneralAntilles: boot with rescue kernel, untar rootfs from pr1.2 to mounted drive and reboot? | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc in somw git | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's the open mode warning, I guess. | 22:04 |
| aep | hm, so how do i actually enable open mode? is there some wiki? | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | This'd be less frustrating to airmail, I think. | 22:07 |
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| * GeneralAntilles fires off a mail to qgil. | 22:10 | |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, wait! | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too late! | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the answer? | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can always say nevermind. | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just asked him who I need to talk to. | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | this might work GeneralAntilles http://pastebin.com/mWVNU9y4 | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | or it may cause havoc | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | lemme read through it again | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks dangerous. | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | it's a modified version of qwerty12's R&D tool | 22:12 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: managed to brick your N950? :( | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes! | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because I'm magic. | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, you're tempting me to try it | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, the CAL murder? | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 22:17 |
| denism | MohammadAG wow I have missed it, cool, thank you for the link | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, let me be the guinea pig. | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | missed what denism ? | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mine doesn't work. | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, wait, some final mods | 22:18 |
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| denism | your last pastebin link :) and the content of it | 22:19 |
| pa | jonni, ah so there's a way to go back to pr1.2? | 22:19 |
| pa | if so, i'd do right away! | 22:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | did GeneralAntilles get anywhere? | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you need the layout file | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it directs the rootfs to go onto the emmc, which is what you want | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | otherwise it'll go on the nand, which is probably not what you want because it doesn't ship that way | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, itsnotabigtruck | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | ~ # /home/user/versionwriter | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | CAL ERROR: open(/dev/mtd1): Permission denied | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | Failed to init CAL. | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, that isn't going to work in open mode | 22:20 |
| jonni | MohammadAG: on openmode cal is locked, you cant edit | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | open mode = cal locked down = no version writing | 22:20 |
| rigo | can somebody tell me whether nokia is blocking downloads or whether that thing times out too fast? I can't install developer mode. It always says "Connection to application provider was lost" | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | even in a different kernel? | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | say, rescue kernel? | 22:21 |
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| xipp2 | hi all | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's why the only downgrade method i know of isn't gonna work now that generalantilles flashed his sw cert to something higher than any functioning image | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonni: MohammadAG: that's the tale | 22:21 |
| jonni | you can just use rescue kernel to deploy older rootfs | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer05: then you find a way around it | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | it's not that | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | how is it locked? | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | userland, kernelspace, etc | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't a lot of flash controllers allow locking down certain areas | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's often used specifically to keep the user from flashing their own hacked stuff | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | but I can open it fine | 22:22 |
| pa | ah :( | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nolo presumably does that | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when it decides to do an open mode boot | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but if there's a way around that, cool | 22:22 |
| pa | it sucks.. pr1.3 sucks and we cant even go back :( | 22:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the combo image is probably the best bet for now | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 22:22 |
| jonni | MohammadAG: its readonly :) | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: probably a toggle in NAND itself | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think you can toggle it both directions though, but of course that's not supported by HARM | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | so theoretically I could downgrade in closed mode | 22:23 |
| jonni | your only public method is to use rescue kernel to push older rootfs to device. | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: see pm | 22:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the fiasco-gen option seems like a better idea than that | 22:24 |
| rigo | pa, mine is working in 1.3 except for 3G and developer-mode | 22:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | besides, no method is a "public method" | 22:24 |
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| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, it's a bit personal now | 22:24 |
| jonni | afaik harmattan fiasco-gen is not public binary. | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | it is | 22:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | presumably the "public method" is to do nothing and hang onto your bricked phone | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | and it supports signing | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HARM?? | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh! | 22:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it supports signing only through talking to some nokia server | 22:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you can tell it not to sign | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you don't want to sign | 22:25 |
| pa | i wonder whether nokia plans to now let the phone die. coz 1.3 clearly introduced new bugs, and if they dont plan to fix them, at least i hope they let us go back to 1.2 | 22:25 |
| aep | hm i flashed the kernel from http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ but uname still says it's the default one. do i need to invoke some magic to _really_ flash a kernel? | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WHQZhgwc | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aep: are you still on pr1.1? | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if one can unpack the 1.3 image and sign it for the N9 | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | N950* | 22:25 |
| aep | itsnotabigtruck: no, 1.3, but it's the only open thing i found | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | err, repack it for the N950 | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pa: good point. Alas I guess Nokia won't care | 22:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aep: there's one for pr1.3 already, the kernel has to match the rootfs | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ...but | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | why not just use inception | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | way easier | 22:26 |
| aep | itsnotabigtruck: yeah that's what i thought, i flashed this one too: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.3/ without any effect | 22:26 |
| rigo | meecatalog does only work for some pieces. rest of the repos don't work at all | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, did the flasher say it was doing anything or just error out | 22:26 |
| aep | itsnotabigtruck: i did use inception, messed with some stuff and got a nice and shiny aegis hates you message | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also if you're going to go into open mode, you should do it right after reflashing your phone | 22:26 |
| aep | it sayd success | 22:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so either flash everything, then do the kernel afterward | 22:27 |
| jonni | aep: with what flags did you flash it? are you sure that you didnt just do -b? | 22:27 |
| aep | ./usr/bin/flasher -l -k /tmp/downloads/zImage-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah, change that -l to -k | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aep: this one should have kernel patches that always return "ok" for any aegis auth query | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but what you need to do in order to do this right is | 22:27 |
| aep | DocScrutinizer05: which one? | 22:27 |
| jonni | -l doesnt flash it. | 22:27 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | a) flash main + emmc completely | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do not reboot the phone | 22:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | b) if you want inception, install inception and call it done | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.3/ | 22:28 |
| aep | DocScrutinizer05: awesome. thanks | 22:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | c) otherwise, run that command that clears the disclaimer image | 22:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | d) then flash main + emmc completely *again* | 22:28 |
| pa | but i have a chance, sending th ephone to service | 22:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and then the kernel | 22:28 |
| pa | for the screen problem :) | 22:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, and ignore the "do not reboot the phone" after a) | 22:28 |
| aep | itsnotabigtruck: ok so it's not just flashing the kernel. got a wiki for that or something? | 22:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aep: well, the problem is that if you don't wipe everything together with going into open mode, you'll get some errors specifically related to accounts and some other stuff | 22:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if you don't go into closed mode, then reset the disclaimer image, you'll get a warranty void image every time you boot | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | k, they won, I gave up | 22:29 |
| aep | i just flashed a plain 1.3 | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | the rescue kernel doesn't allow SSH | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aep: aegis sits in a lot of rootfs tools as well. While openmode kernel allows you to mess with them, they still act up | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | it might work in nitdroid | 22:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and open mode is the mode you go into after loading any sort of unauthorized stuff | 22:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this "open mode kernel" is a non-stock modded kernel that nulls out the aegis checks | 22:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think it's a pretty dumb idea but certain people seem to like it | 22:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I hate it how 50% of "please help!" in this chan is about aegis | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 80% | 22:31 |
| aep | itsnotabigtruck: ok, so maybe i'm going the wrong way here. all i want is get rid of the lockscreen, so i used inception to change the binary, but then i got an "boh boh you changed things" boot error. i though open mode fixes that | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, ho, Jolla! Let's go! | 22:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, even if aegis were the best shit ever, it would still be complicated, and people don't want to figure out complicated stuff | 22:31 |
| aep | itsnotabigtruck: this device is reduced to being a TV remote for the record. i'm totally happy if i loose all of its phone capabilities | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and, aep: ah yeah, you can't just edit stuff willy nilly with inception loaded, unless you tidy things up for aegis | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aep: nope, openmode would allow you to fix the tempered checksum you created by editing | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | same with regular open mode | 22:32 |
| jesuschrist^ | anyway Jolla is not a cool name :( | 22:33 |
| aep | err so open mode doesn't actually allow me to do that? now i'm confused | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with the modded open mode kernel on doc's site, it would skip checking whether most things are ok and keep working anyway | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i gotta fly | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bbl | 22:33 |
| aep | thanks, later | 22:33 |
| jesuschrist^ | bye trucky | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aep: sorry I got some /ignores here, so probably my answers collide with what somebody else told ya. I'll shut up | 22:34 |
| aep | the only relevant answer was from itsnotabigtruck. i hope you're not ignoring him :P | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, exactly | 22:34 |
| aep | oh. (not asking... not asking...) | 22:34 |
| jesuschrist^ | was it for a woman ? | 22:34 |
| aep | lol | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't stand his style | 22:35 |
| aep | he's gone now. so back to your idea | 22:35 |
| aep | you're saying the stuff on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.3/ basicly makes aegis return ok for everything, right? | 22:36 |
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| aep | DocScrutinizer05:^ | 22:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:37 |
| aep | awesome | 22:37 |
| aep | i dont' see what could be wrong with it then :) | 22:38 |
| aep | i'm expecting to loose some capabilities like password storage. fortunately i dont care. | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it throws the openmode toggle in NOLO | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which means a lot of stuff is lockked down from then on | 22:38 |
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| aep | hm anything important? | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | run `mount|grep aegis` | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | inception (as long as it works) is the "smarter" way, as system thinks it's still in secure mode | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (aiui) | 22:41 |
| aep | can't run that right now, trying to flash. bitching about "ERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages" | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, others had a solution for this, my instructions and session log are from pre-1.2 even | 22:42 |
| rigo | anybody a clue where I could get aegis-dev-mode or aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy from? I still need to get developer-mode running, so apt-get something is not an option | 22:42 |
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| trx | can anyone help me with some basic c++, if i use myBitmap = QBitmap::fromData(...); (Docs : http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qbitmap.html#fromData) in a function, what is the proper way to free it later ? | 22:44 |
| trx | myBitmap is : QBitmap myBitmap; | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | trx, it'll be destroyed when the function returns | 22:46 |
| trx | so i thought | 22:46 |
| trx | thanks MohammadAG | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | you're welcome :) | 22:46 |
| aep | it makes a copy, for the record. the original source is still your responsbility. | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody feel a little http://www.indiegaminginsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/shut-up-and-take-my-money-9299-2560x16001.jpg about Jolla? | 22:47 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i do :P | 22:48 |
| Aard | GeneralAntilles: that wasn't a very uncommon response ;) | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe it's a function of how bad things were looking there for a while. | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | But damn. I'm excited. | 22:49 |
| Aard | me too ;) | 22:50 |
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| arcean | Two smartphones with Jolla OS next year? :O | 22:53 |
| arcean | http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/10/can-jolla-become-meegos-saviour-ceo-plans-two-smartphones-already/ | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | See? Exciting! | 22:54 |
| SpeedEvil | - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy69qrJSDxs I'm this excited. | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bizarre, SpeedEvil. | 22:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It does seem almost bizarre as a buisness venture - I truly hope I'll be able to buy one. | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm all about somebody small shaking up the mobile market. | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Whatever the situation - they seem likely to have the several million at least in funding to get a hardware design out the door. | 23:00 |
| aep | DocScrutinizer05: it even says bad rootfs format in /nas/Devices/N9/059J1V8/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin | 23:00 |
| aep | DocScrutinizer05: i suspect something is wrong with the flasher. | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, yeah, the backing is impressive. | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | This is not to take away from what the GTA04 or pandora guys did - but at some point you can't do it on enthusiasm alone. | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, hardware is expensive. | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh yes | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just hope we still have swipe. | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the secret sauce. | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | way beyond what the average sw-devel might be willing to figure | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: swipe is out of game afaik | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why for so? | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia patent | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really? | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask Stskeeps | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | But doesn't webOS have something similar? | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | and BB10? | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please notice "AFAIK" | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | don't ask me about nokia patents, simpsons did it | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Problem is as a small vendor, you eed to be even more scared about patents. | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the patent situation is truly a nightmare. | 23:05 |
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| Velmont | Yeah, sad part is that they're probably totally bogus. (Well all are). But that doesn't matter, it'll take ages to prove it and lots of cash :-/ | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I doubt Jolla has a patent puddle. | 23:06 |
| Velmont | It can maybe join OIN (Open Innovation Network). | 23:06 |
| Velmont | They have quite a lot of defensive patents. | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps. | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hope they get a website soon. | 23:07 |
| Aard | GeneralAntilles: yes, we will | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aard, and please use MediaWiki if you put up a wiki. | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | And you must use pkgtool format from slackware as a package manager, or I'm not buying one. | 23:08 |
| aep | hm ok, got the openmode kernel flashed, but it doesnt boot (stuck with the non animated gry nokia logo). can i get a serial terminal or something without messing with the hardware? | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:08 |
| Aard | SpeedEvil: oh, don't worry, we merged pkgtool with portage, and put an emacs-based frontend on top | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Woo! | 23:09 |
| azeem | but is the handset going to be PINK? | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pink or GTFO | 23:09 |
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| Aard | azeem: only comes with hello kitty branding ;) | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | BONUS! | 23:10 |
| Velmont | Instant hit | 23:14 |
| ptl | if it's a decent linux phone I'd buy it even with pink hello kitties all over the screen | 23:15 |
| ptl | as long as they are translucent | 23:15 |
| Aard | yes, and if you don't like it there's still the my little pony edition | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there a crossover edition? | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Double the cuteness for double the win? | 23:16 |
| ptl | with 262k or 16 million color pony rainbows? | 23:16 |
| Aard | GeneralAntilles: hm, I think we only anounced 2 phones so far ;) | 23:16 |
| ptl | Win? No Win. Let Microsoft alone. | 23:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Aard, damn! | 23:17 |
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| Aard | I have to admit, I kind of like the idea of all the geeks running around with pink hello kitty phones ;) | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Build it and they will come. | 23:18 |
| Velmont | Hehe, yeah, I'd buy it anyway. I have with most other first gen Linux phones that have been released. | 23:20 |
| ptl | Maybe anime catgirls will buy the phone too. | 23:21 |
| pa | any smart way to reinstall everything after flashing a rom? | 23:21 |
| pa | i heared jonni mentioning something like that | 23:22 |
| Aard | pa: get your intern to click the buttons for you? the store integration on harmattan is crap | 23:22 |
| jonni | pa: that would be my backup/restore script that I havent released yet :) | 23:22 |
| pa | ah thats it.. :) | 23:23 |
| jonni | it automaticly backups all store .deb packages and reinstalls all with one command | 23:23 |
| pa | not planning to release it anytime soon, right? | 23:23 |
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| jonni | depends if coding competition release page goes up anytime soon or not :) | 23:24 |
| pa | ah ) then i wait reflashing :D | 23:24 |
| jonni | but for time beeing Im keeping it as my personal script :) | 23:24 |
| pa | that's fine, i might stand reinstalling by hand one more time or two | 23:25 |
| pa | i will rather bug you soon about something else :D | 23:25 |
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| arcean | awesome picture from TMO, http://h12.abload.de/img/rescuehauaw.png :) | 23:45 |
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