IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-07-10

rigokhertan, tried to install your app, even bought it, but download failed00:00
rigobut I'm having general wrestlings with PR 1.3, SFR locked me out00:01
khertanrigo: KhtSimpleText ?00:01
khertansfr ... haha ... worst isp00:02
khertani know i'm at sfr too00:02
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khertanrigo: so you have paid and wasn't been able to install the apps ?00:04
rigoI don't mind, but just so you know. I haven' t exhausted my downloads yet00:05
khertanlet me reinstalling my tools (my n950 was cleaning himself, and i will send you a package to download)00:06
rigobut I have an awful time getting my N9 straight after having it flashed to PR 1.300:06
arcean_khertan, run 'top' and check what's stressing cpu00:06
rigodeveloper-mode doesn't install, 3G doesn't work anymore etc.... really the full hacking challenge :(00:07
khertanarcean_: nothing seems to stress the cpu00:07
khertanarcean_: and worse, battery monitor said that 1% is due to cpu, 99% to other hardware00:07
jesuschrist^maybe its khtsimpletext ;p00:07
khertanjesuschrist^: not yet resintalled :)00:08
arcean_khertan, so have a nice evening reflashing n950 :D00:08
khertanarcean_: you think ? .... will be the 10 or 12 time00:09
khertani will probably come back to n90000:09
arcean_hmm, so you think it's a hardware malfunction?00:10
khertanmaybe ... but how to found it00:10
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jesuschrist^only way is to reflash00:13
jesuschrist^and see if the battery keeps draining00:13
khertanjesuschrist^: it will not happen after reflash00:13
khertanbut a week later, will occur again00:13
jesuschrist^then its not hardware00:13
khertanwithout installing anything or changing any settings00:14
khertaneven adding an account00:14
khertanjust letting it sleeping on the desktop00:14
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khertanjesuschrist^: but where does it come from so ?00:16
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khertanjesuschrist^: anyway, sometime n950 lose phone network and never recover it, without a reboot00:16
jesuschrist^never had a n95000:16
khertanso i tend to think it s hardware00:16
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arcean_khertan, my n950 has even better GSM and WiFi reception than N900:17
jesuschrist^im going to reflash my n900:17
arcean_especially wifi00:17
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khertanarcean_: funny, mine have worse than my n90000:18
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arcean_yeah, I've heard that some n950 have problems with gsm reception :/00:19
khertanarcean_: some have same problem with n9 too00:20
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khertanand it s look like it s happen more with some isp00:20
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arcean_that may be a reason too00:22
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jesuschrist^i cant login in skype anymore00:23
jesuschrist^anyone has any idea00:23
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rigoI need aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy but I can't find it in
rigoany idea where I can find it?00:26
rigojesuschrist, there was a guy who had the same prob  today and ruined his installation for nothing00:28
jesuschrist^that guy was me probably with another nick rigo00:28
jesuschrist^right ?00:29
khertanrigo: say thx to sfr and they fucking proxy that prevent tar.gz and gz download00:29
khertanthis is why your download failed00:29
rigonot really00:29
khertanrigo: did you try with https00:29
jesuschrist^actually i managed to get back to start rigo, still i cant log in in skype AND gmail00:29
rigomy download fails over wifi, and wifi is Orange00:29
khertannot better :)00:30
khertantry in https :)00:30
khertanno proxy00:30
khertanrigo: where can i send you the package ? which email ?00:30
rigobut this is the smallest of my probs. For the moment, I reflashed it 3 times and still will not allow developer-mode to install00:31
jesuschrist^rigo : any advise on the situation ? i really dont want to flash00:31
rigoallows that only over 3G and 3G is borken00:31
rigojesuschrist, dunno. If skype works on desktop, then its local install. If you have reflashed, there is some hickup in user files. But I don't think you want to kill all user data  either00:32
jesuschrist^i havent reflashed yet00:32
jesuschrist^i wont give up so easily :p00:32
khertanstill no news about a pr1.3 for n950 ?00:37
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rigokhertan, thanks for the package00:42
khertanyou're welcome00:43
khertanthx for buying it00:43
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goka_hello everybody!00:49
goka_just quick question: can someone please point me the path where angry birds for N9 (original, not magic) store the scores, saved data etc?00:50
goka_maybe /opt/rovio/angrybirdsclassic?00:51
jonnithats where the game is, scores are in /var/opt/rovio/...00:53
rigojonni, any clue were I can find aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy for PR 1.3?00:56
jonnirigo: apt-get install aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy00:57
goka_thanks! there's 2 .lua files in /var/opt/rovio/angrybirdsclassic, highscores.lua & settings.lua. just copying those files to my future flashed phone will get back my scores and all the beaten levels?00:57
jonnigoka_: yes00:57
jesuschrist^jonni plz could you help me with my accounts sign in prob ? :\00:57
jonnigoka_: just be sure to check the owner of the files to match, so better tar them00:57
jesuschrist^(obviously if you can)00:57
goka_jonni ok, many thanks!00:57
goka_and how can i do that?00:58
jonnitar -zcvf scorebackup.tar.gz /var/opt/rovio/angrybirdsclassic/00:58
goka_man, you are such a lifesaver, thanks!01:00
jonnijesuschrist^: most likely you are better off reflashing the whole device, as its really hard to give advice without seeing what mess the current device is in, if you really dont want to reflash then you can try opensh; apscli -s signon-private:Se -D; rm -rf /home/user/.Skype; reboot;01:03
ptlHi, is there a repository for the N9 where I can get stuff like screen, tmux, irssi, vim ??????? Sorry for so many questions marks but I just bought the cellphone and I'm trying to use it like a cellphone should be used, that is, like an Unix server.01:05
jonnidisclaimer, normal people should never do the commands that I pasted there, as it really nukes all your signong credentials to kingdoms gone.01:05
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jesuschrist^jonni : what does apscli do ?01:07
jonniptl: irssi is in ovi store,  tmux and screen can be found from rzr&djzapi repoes, vi/vim is in nokia repo.01:07
jesuschrist^anyway im already downloading the image with navifirm01:07
jonnijesuschrist^: its a commandline cli to mess with aegis stores.01:07
jonnijesuschrist^: (and its not meant for normal end users to use)01:08
jesuschrist^i already tried to delete the .Skype01:08
ptlI couldn't find irssi in Ovi store01:08
jesuschrist^and i also deleted signon.db01:08
ptland rzr's repository is not compatible with PR1.3 yet01:08
jonniptl: tmux from rzr repo works fine with PR1.3, I installed it today to my PR1.301:09
jesuschrist^screen works too01:09
jesuschrist^just from the user who owns the terminal01:10
jesuschrist^anyway im doing an hard reset, if this solves i wont reflash01:10
ptlthanks, I'll try again01:10
ptlI don't know why searching for irssi on "Loja" (means shop in portuguese) did not return irssi01:11
ptlbut I got the text message to install the package01:11
jonnimaybe you searched irssi and not Irssi :)01:11
ptlis it case-sensitive?01:11
jonniyep :)01:11
jonnior might be some other reason too, you never know :)01:12
jesuschrist^jonni : anyway seems quite strange, because it seems credentials were stored in signon.db, yet moving the file didnt change nything01:12
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ptlwhat is the repository address you have?01:12
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ptlit was not the case-sensitivity01:13
ptlI just tried to search for Irssi and it returned FingerTerm01:13
jonnijesuschrist^: credentials are not stored in only one file ;)01:13
jesuschrist^i couldnt find anywhere else, there are some topics on TMO with ppl in the same situation and no advise, exept flashing01:14
rigojonni, my 3G doesn't work, so I can't install developer-mode by switch, so I have to do that by hand. if i do apt-get install it won't let me as I am not root and I can't become root without developer-mode01:16
rigocatch 22 :(01:17
ptlsearching on the web ovi store also did not show irssi!01:17
ptldoes that work for you?01:17
ptlcan't understand01:18
jesuschrist^no it doesnt01:18
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ptlso it's not just me01:18
jesuschrist^holy shit redownloading all my stuff is making me feel low :(01:19
rigooff the grid, tomorrow is another day01:19
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jesuschrist^jonni : so what are you going to do next ?01:20
jonnijesuschrist^: are you saying that apscli command and reboot didnt help?01:20
jonnijesuschrist^: if not then reflash.01:20
jesuschrist^jonni : i didnt try apscli, i was already hard resetting...01:21
jesuschrist^and im waiting for the n9 to finish01:21
jonniah I was too slow for rigo, you can get to root easily otherways too, and developer-mode doesnt need root to install anyways01:21
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jesuschrist^anyway i have strong supsects01:26
jesuschrist^on extraplugins last release for this mess01:26
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jesuschrist^so you found irssi01:27
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ptl_no, I didn't find irssi01:33
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jesuschrist^what did you use then01:33
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qwazix_N950Opera 12 is here :)01:38
jesuschrist^wow hard reset failed badly01:38
qwazix_N950But gives me download error :(01:38
jesuschrist^time to flash :p01:39
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tehdelyis it finally possible to set opera as your default browser01:41
SpeedEvilThe fat lady sings!01:42
tehdelyif it is, i will set it.  i loved opera on symbian01:43
tehdelygranted, grob is a lot better than the symbian browser01:43
qwazix_N950Installed! And it seems to have support for maliit01:43
tehdelybut the opera quicklaunch + double-tap-to-reflow are killer01:43
qwazix_N950On the N950 it does weird things though01:43
tehdelydoes it support flash, or can i only use that in fennec01:44
qwazix_N950how do you set it as def? pr1.3?01:45
tehdelystill can't set it as default browser01:45
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qwazix_N950me neither01:45
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M4rtinKqwazix_N950: similar issues01:46
M4rtinKmaliit show up only in landscape01:46
M4rtinKand won't go away01:46
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qwazix_N950M4rtinK, There is now a setting to hide it01:47
tehdelyalso, youtube videos won't play01:47
tehdely"you can't play these types of files on your device" nonsense01:47
* arcean_ updates Opera01:48
tehdelyis there a way to add codecs to Harmattan or no01:48
tehdelydoes it use gstreamer under the hood01:48
qwazix_N950And you can always launch with --native-input or sth01:48
M4rtinKqwazix_N950: that what I had done - I've set "use Operas keyboard" to Never01:49
M4rtinKand it shows maliit, but is is stuck in landcape01:49
qwazix_N950Lemme check tmo, cause the update overwrote my modified .desktop file01:49
qwazix_N950M4rtinK, yes, true01:50
qwazix_N950I thought you were saying it shows even with hwkb open01:50
qwazix_N950Which it doesn't anymore01:50
arcean_for me, maliit is stuck in landscape01:51
qwazix_N950It did on 11.50 and I had modified the .desktop file01:51
qwazix_N950arcean_, N950?01:51
arcean_yes, with PR 1.301:52
qwazix_N950Still needs double return to accept input01:53
qwazix_N950Although not needed after the update.01:54
qwazix_N950action goes to check behaviour on N901:54
qwazix_N950Update manager too many clicks away...01:55
qwazix_N950...and needs refresh twice01:57
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qwazix_N950Nah, same behavior on the N902:11
qwazix_N950G'night guys (ugt)02:11
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Velmont00:48  * arcean_ updates Opera02:16
VelmontNew one?02:16
arcean_Velmont, yes, v1202:17
VelmontOh shi-. I should really follow Opera better.02:18
VelmontSo, how can Opera make a setting to make it default?02:18
VelmontAnyone know what hook I should look at? Is it easy to do in a clean non-evil way from a package?02:18
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JackaLXI'm in the middle of OTA update to PR1.3 on my N9 and for the last hour (no, I'm not exaggerating) it has been sitting on 90%.  Should I be concerned?02:32
JackaLXUnfortunately I can't log in via ssh to see what's going on because the update has turned off sshd02:33
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JackaLXThe device still seems to be alive... I can short-press the hw power button and bring up the lock screen.  And double-tap lock screen and come back to "MeeGo Update" screen with the progress bar02:35
M4rtinKJackaLX: check talk.maemo.org02:37
M4rtinKI think I saw a thread there about P 1.3 stuck on 90% (or some smilar %)02:37
JackaLXsearching now02:38
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itsnotabigtruckmankeli: seems to be up now03:42
itsnotabigtruckbut i'm going to have to do something about the soon-to-expire ssl cert03:42
itsnotabigtruckit expires in about two weeks03:43
itsnotabigtruckup 104 days,  7:3403:43
itsnotabigtruck^ it's not an uptime problem - but the provider that server's on has had some interweb uplink issues03:43
ptlshould I change "developer's" shell to /bin/bash ?03:44
itsnotabigtruckptl: sure, though it would be a good idea to make sure bash has been incepted03:45
ptlhow do I do that? I change from develsh to develsh something?03:45
itsnotabigtruckotherwise you can't run your shell with more than a basic level of access03:45
itsnotabigtruckoh, and that's also a problem, hmmm03:45
itsnotabigtruckwell, if you don't care about not magically being given dev-level access when you log in03:46
itsnotabigtruckjust change to bash03:46
itsnotabigtruckyou can use ariadne (from inception) or develsh or something to gain more access03:46
itsnotabigtruckalternately, you could put a script in your home directory and put inside it:03:47
itsnotabigtruck/bin/develsh -c '/bin/bash -'03:47
itsnotabigtruckand then set your shell to that script03:47
itsnotabigtrucki think that would work anyway, i haven't actually tried doing that03:48
itsnotabigtruckptl ^03:48
ptlyeah, I was looking at develsh -c /bin/bash but I think it does not get all root permissions, right?03:48
itsnotabigtruckif you go with that approach it's important that you not put the script inside mydocs03:48
ptlonly devel-sh or something03:48
itsnotabigtruckand that you make it +x03:48
itsnotabigtruckyeah, develsh gives you the permissions that are allowed for ovi apps only03:48
ptlyeah... MyDocs is vfat like in the N90003:48
itsnotabigtruckwhich is a subset of root access, and not the interesting parts03:48
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itsnotabigtruckthe new version of inception i released the other day comes with ariadne, which is like sudo03:49
itsnotabigtruckit gives you all access03:49
itsnotabigtruckso you could just grab that and do ariadne sh if you want to upgrade to all access temporarily03:49
ptlI did not get what inception is about; it dodges the N9 DRM, is it?03:49
itsnotabigtruckmore or less03:49
itsnotabigtruckit's not really a drm system anymore, it's pretty much useless for drm purposes03:50
itsnotabigtruckbut it seems it was conceived to protect a drm system that never happened03:50
itsnotabigtruckit's certainly a pain in the neck though and inception lets you get around it03:50
ptlusing /bin/develsh -c /bin/bash made my ssh shared keys stop working03:50
itsnotabigtruckprobably an environment problem03:51
itsnotabigtruckwhat do you mean by 'shared keys'03:51
itsnotabigtruckare you sshing from the phone to somewhere else, or somewhere else to the phone03:51
ptlpublic/private keys ~/.ssh/ -> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys03:51
ptlthat ones03:51
ptlfrom somewhere else to the phone03:51
itsnotabigtrucki think it isn't an ssh problem, it's that you broke logging into developer03:52
itsnotabigtruckyou can't put an entire command line in as a shell03:52
itsnotabigtruckonly a path03:52
itsnotabigtruckthat's why i suggested that home directory script idea03:52
itsnotabigtruckwhich is nothing but a stub to run that command03:52
itsnotabigtruckthough it should be written like '/bin/bash -' i think, because that lets bash know that it's the login shell03:53
ptlI tried with bash -l03:53
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ptllet's try with bash -03:53
JackaLX/bin/bash --login03:53
itsnotabigtrucki think all of those should work but i'd probably have to check the man page03:54
JackaLXputting a single dash `-' at the end of a command line generally means "take input from stdin"  like when you are piping commands together03:54
ptlI looked at the manpage03:54
ptlit's -l03:54
ptlbut it does not work03:54
ptland it does not accept my password03:55
ptlfor some reason it simply does not let me log in when I use it like that03:55
ptlbut if I return the shell to /bin/develsh it works.03:55
ptlMaybe I should use a script... I have some doubts whether one could use arguments in a login shell03:56
ptlwhere is a good place in the filesystem for a custom script?03:56
ptlI'm new to the N9.03:56
itsnotabigtruckJackaLX: but shells are a weird special case03:57
JackaLXtrue, itsnotabigtruck03:57
itsnotabigtruckA login shell is one whose first character of argument zero is a -, or one started with the --login option.03:57
itsnotabigtruckoh wait, argument zero03:57
itsnotabigtruckso if you did03:57
ptl/home/user/bin ?03:57
itsnotabigtruckln -s /bin/bash -bash03:57
itsnotabigtruckPATH=.:$PATH -bash03:58
itsnotabigtruckthen it would act as a login shell03:58
itsnotabigtruckbut what i said before was wrong :(03:58
itsnotabigtruckgo with the  --login03:58
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ptlYeah but I want to log in with full permissions04:00
ptlanyway, I cannot create a directory under /home/user04:00
ptlshould I go with develsh? devel-su/04:00
ptl/home/developer/bin $ cat login.sh04:02
ptl/bin/develsh -c '/bin/bash -l'04:02
ptllet's try this04:02
itsnotabigtruckptl: develsh won't give you full permission, and ariadne will prompt for your root password04:02
itsnotabigtrucksetting it up to log directly into full access isn't a great idea04:02
itsnotabigtruckwhat i'd suggest is simply setting the shell to /bin/bash and gaining access only when you need it04:03
ptlbut let's try it04:03
itsnotabigtruckjust like you'd do on a regular linux system04:03
ptlI also added my to /etc/shells04:03
ptlIt worked!04:04
JackaLXOK, my PR1.3 OTA update has just gone passed the 3 hour mark since it got to 90%.  I think I'm starting to get a little impatient04:04
ptlbash-4.1$ id04:04
ptluid=29999(user) gid=30024(developer) groups=0(root),20(dialout),44(video),670(pulse-access),29999(users),30011(metadata-users),30014(calendar),30023(gallerycoredata-users),9990230,9990254,9990255,9990256,9990257,9990258,9990290,9990291,9990351,9990404,9990405,9990432,999061704:04
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jabisJackaLX: dun-dun-duuun - sounds like it went sour04:05
JackaLXjabis: 40 minutes or so ago I saw evidence that it was still chugging along04:05
itsnotabigtruckptl: now get inception :p you'll see a drastically longer list04:06
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jabisJacka, I waited 6 hours - in the end had to reflash anyway - upon rebooting some big red letters of failed update trying to salvage stuff - and all apps were borked04:07
JackaLXjabis: ewwww no don't say that.  You scare me04:07
ptlitsnotabigtruck: I got inception 0.2 installed04:08
ptlnow, color prompt04:08
ptlit's essential04:08
ptlI log in to dozens of servers at the same time...04:08
ptlI differentiate them by color04:08
JackaLXptl: haha, I do that too04:09
JackaLXI have the hostname in the prompt too, but it is quicker and easier for the eyes to see the colour difference04:10
JackaLXOK, time to bite the bullet... time to reboot this pig.  I figure if it all goes south I can flash it (I've got the 1.3 image here)04:12
jabisGL Jackal04:13
itsnotabigtruckJackaLX: :(04:14
itsnotabigtruckis there any evidence what's causing the problem?04:14
itsnotabigtrucksince this doesn't sound very unique04:15
JackaLXitsnotabigtruck: not that I could tell04:15
itsnotabigtruckthere was a tmo thread suggesting it was caused by inception 0.104:15
itsnotabigtruckbut i never saw any such issue in my testing04:15
JackaLXit's rebooting now04:15
GeneralAntillesI installed the update I got notifications for on my N950 today.04:15
itsnotabigtruckhowever system package mods could easily cause problems04:15
RST38hWhat update?04:16
GeneralAntilles /usr/bin/aegis-session: not found when I try to open Terminal04:16
itsnotabigtruckif you incept a custom package over a system package, the package can't be replaced with a nokia package04:16
GeneralAntillesRST38h, various system applications.04:16
itsnotabigtruckwithout some serious hackery04:16
RST38hhmm, interesting04:16
itsnotabigtruckand a lot of people installed that system-ui mod04:16
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: pr1.304:16
RST38hfor N950?04:16
itsnotabigtruckno, only for n9 so far04:16
GeneralAntillesYeah, it's N95004:16
GeneralAntillesNo PR1.3 here.04:16
itsnotabigtruckok, no change then04:16
GeneralAntillesHalf my applications are missing from the home screen.04:17
GeneralAntillesCan I reboot. :<04:17
* RST38h still has rss feeds broken after pr1.2b and no idea how to fix them04:17
GeneralAntillesMaybe caused by Firefox 1304:18
itsnotabigtruckit definitely seems like flashing is a good idea even when the OTA upgrade doesn't bomb04:18
itsnotabigtruckthey've never worked reliably04:18
RST38hMine says "device up to date", no updates04:19
RST38hGeneral, what updates?04:19
GeneralAntillesRST38h, Twitter, etc.04:19
GeneralAntillesDidn't pay close attention04:19
GeneralAntillesBut the Firefox update may have broken everything.04:19
ptlok, color prompt working, let's try from the native terminal04:20
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GeneralAntillesI don't have a current backup04:20
GeneralAntillesI /really/ don't want to have to reflash.04:20
RST38hweird weird crap04:21
RST38hN950 screen looks so dim after looking at the Note04:21
RST38hBut at least it does not have this ugly not-quite-black that spoils video playback04:21
jabisI had a reset'd device prior update and BOOM it went sour x)04:22
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JackaLXw00t!  Version: PR1.3 40.2012.21-3_PR_00504:22
jabischeck that all your apps work - my facebook, twitter etc were all borked04:22
jabiseverytime something goes sour, eventhough no trace - I reflash just in case04:22
JackaLXI'm getting Twitter updates on feed homescreen. and the Twitter app appears to be workign fine04:22
JackaLXI don't use facebook04:22
jabistho could be useful to dump all your logs before/if you decide to reflash :)04:22
jabischeck email clients and all that stuff too :) did you receive the red letters upon rebooting?04:22
JackaLXall my IM a/c's are up and running04:22
JackaLXnope, no red04:22
GeneralAntillesAegis rejecting /var/cache/apt/archives/qt-components_1.3~git20120215-1+0m8_armel.deb04:22
ptlhow can I log in as 'developer' from within the device?04:23
ptltried su - developer as root, failed setting groups04:23
GeneralAntillesFor some reason apt-get -f install wants to install qt-components04:24
GeneralAntillesBut Aegis wont let it04:24
GeneralAntillesCan I force it somehow?04:24
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GeneralAntillesAh, shit.04:25
GeneralAntillesThat's the PR1.3 version04:25
GeneralAntillesWell, now I know what I did.04:25
GeneralAntillesInstalled the N9 Skype plugin last night.04:26
GeneralAntillesForgot to remove the N9 repo.04:26
GeneralAntillesI need a way to back up the contacts DB04:27
ptlscp not working :-/04:27
JackaLXptl: `developer' and `user' are actually the same user, if you ssh in as developer and do whoami or id you'll see that your uid is that of `user'04:27
* GeneralAntilles headdesks.04:28
ptlI know04:29
ptlsame uid04:29
ptlchanging developer's shell back to /bin/develsh made scp work again04:30
ptlit seems that the login script captures the standard input that scp uses.04:30
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GeneralAntillesGuess I'm reflashing.04:33
jabisGeneralAntilles: perhaps backup the whole tracker store with: tracker-control --backup=store.sqlite04:35
jabisthen move it out to your own computer for safety04:36
GeneralAntillesNo way to get it out04:36
GeneralAntillesNetworking doesn't work04:37
GeneralAntillesUSB mass storage doesn't work04:37
jabiswell move it to the MyDocs - flashing wont touch there (unless you flash the emmc too)04:37
jabistracker-control --restore=store.sqlite will restore the db as long as it isn't damaged04:38
ptlit went well04:38
ptltry it out, ppl04:38
ptlin ~/.bashrc04:38
ptl(can I paste it here? only 6 lines)04:39
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itsnotabigtruckptl: you need to use devel-su instead of su04:41
itsnotabigtruckdevel-su is exactly the same as su except that it's fixed up to work with aegis04:42
itsnotabigtruckhowever also devel-su resets access so keep that in mind04:42
itsnotabigtruckoh, also - developer has the same uid as user04:42
itsnotabigtruckthere's no real reason to log in as developer from the device04:42
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ptlitsnotabigtruck: the reason would be to automatically load developer's ~/.profile that may be different from user's .profile05:00
ptlfingerterminal is awesome.05:01
ptlI thought I would be unable to use N9 as I used my old N900. I was wrong.05:01
ptlThe translucent keyboard is great.05:01
ptlI don't want to spoil user's .profile because I know it can set the system unoperable...05:03
itsnotabigtruck^ so true05:04
itsnotabigtruck(the comment highlighted that is)05:04
ptlI think the N9 is great, but it is a pity it doesn't employ widgets. Queen Beacon Widget on the N900 deserved a geek trophy.05:06
RST38hQueen Beacon Widget was so awful that it made you tear your eyes out05:10
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itsnotabigtruckgoka: hmm? looks like you sent a blank message05:21
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RST38hOMG trouble05:38
GeneralAntillesThis was so much easier on the N900.05:39
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GeneralAntillesThere must be a workaround05:49
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ladogawhat about ~/.profile making system inoperable?05:58
ladogai haven't heard about that05:59
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GeneralAntillesAnybody have any suggestions?06:00
GeneralAntillesIt wont let me flash the older firmware06:00
GeneralAntillesBut there is no PR1.3 for N950.06:00
itsnotabigtruckladoga: well, if any system stuff loads it, breaking it could easily pwn your system, i guess06:01
ladogaitsnotabigtruck: thanks06:01
itsnotabigtrucki know, that isn't very informative :p06:01
ladogai've edited it many times without knowing that06:01
ladogano issues so far though06:02
itsnotabigtrucki'm not actually sure06:02
ladogaand i haven't removed any of the default lines06:02
ladogajust added my own ones so maybe that's it06:02
itsnotabigtrucki guess really all it should end up doing is to screw up your shell prompt or something06:02
itsnotabigtruckthough isn't there some environment setup stuff in there?06:02
itsnotabigtruckthat could be significant06:02
ladogathere's stuff like eval `/usr/bin/aegis-session --sh-syntax`06:03
ladogawhich i haven't touched06:03
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ladogaitsnotabigtruck: yes06:03
GeneralAntillesBig hooray. N950 is a brick.06:04
ladogasome variables seem to be set up there06:04
ladogai wouldnt touch "export QT_IM_MODULE=MInputContext" i don't know what's it about06:05
ladogaGeneralAntilles: isn't there anything you can do?06:07
GeneralAntillesladoga, that's the question I'd really like an answer to06:08
GeneralAntillesAccidentally upgraded to the N9's PR1.3 because I tried to get Skype installed last night and forgot to remove the repo.06:08
GeneralAntillesNow I can't flash it because it disallows the downgrade.06:08
itsnotabigtruckoh fuck06:08
itsnotabigtruckif you get it operational, there might be something you could do06:09
itsnotabigtruckif it won't boot, not really06:09
GeneralAntillesIt wont boot06:09
GeneralAntillesPR1.3 thoroughly screwed it up.06:09
itsnotabigtruckbuild a custom firmware image06:10
ladogaflasher really needs an option to downgrade06:10
GeneralAntillesCan't without the master key.06:10
itsnotabigtruckwith the pr1.3 n9 sw cert and a pr1.2 rootfs payload06:10
itsnotabigtrucknope, you can, see the tmo thread06:10
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itsnotabigtruckand also the pr1.2 stock kernel06:11
itsnotabigtruckthat *should* work, and go into open mode in the process06:11
itsnotabigtruckhowever...crap, the solution i was thinking of relies on not being in open mode :p06:11
itsnotabigtruckbut if you don't mind staying in open mode forever that ought to at least get you unbricked06:12
GeneralAntillesWhich thread?06:13
itsnotabigtruckscroll to the middle06:13
itsnotabigtruckin this case you'd just do the 1st step and the last 2 steps06:14
itsnotabigtruckbut with more stuff in the image06:14
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GeneralAntillesAlright, thanks.06:14
GeneralAntillesGuess I'll try it in the morning.06:14
itsnotabigtruckkeep in mind that this isn't going to be easy06:16
itsnotabigtruckso be prepared to spend a long time digging up the utilities, dumping stuff, and reassembling it06:16
GeneralAntillesMight see if I can send it in for flashing first.06:16
itsnotabigtruckand that layout file, you should be able to obtain by strings'ing the image06:16
GeneralAntillesWhat a stupid user-hostile waste of my life.06:17
itsnotabigtruckit specifies where the rootfs is supposed to be flashed on the emmc06:17
itsnotabigtruck(even though it's separate from the "emmc image" the rootfs image is flashed onto the emmc too)06:17
itsnotabigtruckthe fiasco image, that is06:17
GeneralAntillesBack to N90006:18
GeneralAntillesWeird not having swipe.06:18
RST38hDon't you know that it is all done for your safety and security?06:30
RST38hSo that no evildoer could flash your phone with his evildoing firmware!06:30
* RST38h cackles satanically06:30
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japhgeneralantilles, in what way? this is what I did
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aparaattiHi, is it possible to make a snapshot image of my current system to be able to recover it using flasher?08:33
aparaatti...and good morning08:34
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denismaparaatti: good morning, for usual devices - no. It is not possible to flash random files08:37
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aparaattiis there anyway to back all the installed apps?08:42
denismaparaatti: do you have something at /var/cache/apt/archives?08:43
denismyou can try copy those .deb files to other location and install them back later.08:43
mankeliitsnotabigtruck: yeah, it came up a minute after i said that its down :P08:43
denismbut their settings will be lost, it will be just a fresh installation08:44
aparaattino file in cache08:44
aparaattijust file lock and a folder called partial08:45
aparaattiok... I guess I will hose the phone at some point and just buy the apps again... :)08:46
denismok, then there is no stored .deb files... it should not be a problem to re-create .deb file by dpkg and apt device' settings, but I do not know is there such tool available or not08:46
japhdpkg --get-selections , and for settings just copy /{etc,usr,opt}  etc?08:47
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denismjaph: will it update aegis hashes properly?08:49
denismok did the man read, so it is just a package list. It is not possible to download paid app back just by package name08:52
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japhheh I didn't even think of paid apps08:54
japhI didn't think they were used much08:55
denismyeah, if N9 would be born in 2007 - there would be millions of paid apps for N9, and there would no be iPhone. :)08:56
japhdo you pay for all apps on iphones?08:56
denismbut no - for me it seems that most of paid apps are bought by community members to 'sponsor' the development. Lets say like donation.08:57
denismjaph: I just bought 3 apps from EA (~5 days ago). There was a discount, 0.79 euro per item :)08:57
japhuhm, maybe. if the money goes to the dev and not 90% to $vendor or whatever08:57
japhI've given money and hardware to people whose software I can not live without08:58
japhEA! Deluxe paint!08:58
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aparaattithere is the all important pinball fantasies that I'll probably have to buy again :)09:34
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Kozziladoga: d8es it work?11:00
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ladogaKozzi: Why wouldn't it?11:22
kozzi_dunno, sometimes my code builds without errors but usually this doesnt mean that the program works11:24
ladogaI didn't use it to download anything yet, I'll try to package it first and see then...11:25
kozzi_ok, thanks11:26
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ladogaif youre in hurry just install scratchbox and compile it11:26
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ladogaall it needs is for you to type "make" and thats it...i just dont want to install it without packaging first11:28
kozzi_wont be home till the end of this month so not able to try it11:29
ladogai could try to add its libs to path to make it work without installing i guess11:30
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ladogaKozzi: ok...i'll try when i get home from work11:32
kozzi_ladoga, ok great11:33
vladestsoooo. still no pr1.3 for n950?11:39
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ZogG_laptoptrx, thanks for rdesktop =)13:48
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pais any nx client now available for harmattan?14:11
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niwakameSo I tried QPair<const Single, const Single> marriage = qMakePair(singleOne, singleTwo); but it didn't work15:32
pastupid question: can the swype interface be used by jollamobile or is it patented?15:35
SpeedEvilswype is patented15:35
SpeedEvilAs is swipe15:35
SpeedEvilAlso skype15:35
thppa: swype = vkb, swipe = "n9 ux"15:35
payes sorry, swipe15:37
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niwakameNokia has given Jolla some patents, don't know which15:38
paso essentially, no further phones will be using the swipe interface?15:38
virtualdux=just a fancy way of saying ui15:38
pa(as i assume winphones are only metro, and nokia wont be building anything else soon)15:38
Stskeepsniwakame: that's a mistranslation from a finnish source.15:38
niwakamewhat's the correct meaning?15:39
Stskeepsmeaning that sometimes nokia bridge does this, but this wasn't a case in jolla15:39
niwakameAww, sad15:39
thpvirtuald: i could argue that ux = more than just ui15:40
virtualdi could argue the new name is needed to make people think outside le box15:41
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niwakameManager talk: "We need something really catchy! Come on guys" - "Well..think of it..everything with an X in it is cool, like X-Men!" - "So be it, let's call it UX!" *standing ovations*15:43
niwakameand that's not so far from reality -_-'15:44
azeemniwakame: has that patent transfer been confirmed? There were conflicting informations about a badly (google) translated finnish interview with the Jolla CEO15:45
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alteregoazeem: the interview just said they'd been created with the help of Nokia's bridge program. Other people, over twitter, tmo, etc. Have said that that meant they got IP from Nokia, but that isn't the case.15:48
pai will miss the swipe tho..15:48
alteregoThe interview never said that.15:48
GAN900Is swipe patented?15:50
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alteregoGAN900: even if it isn't still their IP no?15:51
GAN900It's not like there isn't similar stuff elsewhere.15:51
GAN900You can't call it Swipe, but that doesn't preclude the option of switching applications by that method.15:53
GAN900(I really don't remember how to type on the N900 keyboard)15:53
SpeedEvilI was assuming it was patented.15:54
SpeedEvilAs seemingly everything is.15:54
alteregoGAN900: sure, so lets do a UX called "wipe" :)15:54
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fluxalterego, make it a two-finger gesture and patent that, cite one-finger swipe as existing work15:56
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fluxalterego, then have it be so buggy that one-finger gesture works as well ;)15:57
azeem"traffic: false, //true,  // TODO: change back when management makes up their mind"15:57
* xarcass thinks RIM Playbook uses pretty same swipe for app switching. at least BB10 surely does16:03
denismthere is no any released BB10, I have heard that they have shown a lot of 'features' which are even not licensed by them16:10
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denismso it is not known what will be in the release version16:11
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rigowhat is the equivalent for APN in the N9?16:13
Corsacrigo: “Access point name”?16:18
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GeneralAntillesTrying to unpack Mac OCF gives invalid FIASCO file header16:20
GeneralAntillesDo I need to use the Linux OCF?16:20
jonnihow are you trying to unpack it16:22
GeneralAntillesflasher-3.5 -F <image> -u16:23
jonniand how did you extract the bin out of the OFC first?16:24
GeneralAntillesAh, haven't done that.16:24
jonniyour doing it wrong if you try to extract ocf directly :)16:24
GeneralAntillesIs there a quick'n'easy how to somewhere?16:24
jonniyes in TMO :)16:25
GeneralAntillesUseless search16:29
GeneralAntillesGuess I'm doing this after class.16:29
ZogG_laptophmm, looks like firefox OS has multitasking, the real one. at least as it's shown on video of prototype preview16:31
hiemanshuwriting QML after so long, nothing makes sense :(16:31
jonniGeneralAntilles: as a hint I can say that in mac/linux look at temporary dirs where its extracted, and on windows you can just drop ocf.exe to winrar :)16:38
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ZogG_laptopGAN900, Corsac is it me, or you were missing here for a while?16:51
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ladogaseems like rtmpdump almost builds with rules from debian package, but i get error "librtmp0 missing files (usr/lib/*/lib*.so.*), aborting"16:54
Corsacremove the first *16:55
ladogayes i figured16:55
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Corsacyou build with a non-multiarch dpkg/debhelper, that's why :)16:55
ladogabut i haven't found it anywhere16:55
ZogG_laptopCorsac, didn't see you here for a while, or we just from different TZs16:56
ladogayes debian would install those libs to /usr/lib/<arch>/16:56
ladogawhile i just need /usr/lib16:56
CorsacZogG_laptop: i'm in CEST but I'm quite idle these days16:56
ladogain rules i have "MAKEVARS=prefix=/usr CRYPTO=OPENSSL LIBDIR=/usr/lib"16:57
ladogaso i don't know where it gets that extra * :)16:58
Corsacladoga: from the debian/*.install files16:58
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itsnotabigtruckGeneralAntilles: i know that 7-zip can take apart the windows version of the ocf17:02
itsnotabigtrucki think doc or someone write a utility that tears apart the linux version17:02
ladogashould i omit manpages? and can i simply remove debian/rtmpdump.manpages17:04
ladogaor does it matter17:04
ladogacd ..17:05
ladogamouse focus17:05
deramfocus follow mind not implemented17:05
itsnotabigtruckladoga: when you install a package on harmattan it nukes all the manpages, changelogs, and copyright files17:05
itsnotabigtruckeverything in /usr/share/doc17:06
ladogaderam: that's a good UI idea for jolla mob17:06
itsnotabigtruckso including them or not is a moot point, but debian regs say that you *have* to have the changelog and copyright files so at least have those17:06
ladogaitsnotabigtruck: thanks17:07
NamekHi, yesterday I asked about the aegis file for my app, it's a daemon that access an sqlite db and has a dbus interface,  here's what I have now my app is launched as user but I can't register the dbus interface, if I leave the auto generated aegis file my app is launched as nobody so I can't write to the db :(17:07
itsnotabigtruckNamek: it looks like you need to assert 'access' too?17:08
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Namekitsnotabigtruck: I don't understand :( what I'm missing? or what shouldn't be there?17:10
itsnotabigtruckNamek: i think <credential name="access" />17:11
Nameklike the third line?17:11
itsnotabigtruckyou specified that as the credential required to talk to dbus, but you aren't asserting it on your program17:11
itsnotabigtruckyou need to add it to the request area also17:11
Namekthanks :) I will try that right now17:12
itsnotabigtruckalso it doesn't look like you're using control at all17:12
Namekwhat's control for?17:12
itsnotabigtrucki don't know, it's in your xml17:12
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itsnotabigtruckunless your app specifically checks for it somewhere, there's no reason to have it17:12
NamekI took it from the dbus example in harmattan dev17:12
itsnotabigtruckwell, i haven't done dbus + aegis before so it would probably be a good idea to look over the docs17:13
NamekI did look at the docs, they just ain't that clear :( I guess I should try first to make the dbus interface work and then worry about launching my app as user17:14
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itsnotabigtruckwell, the idea is that you're defining a policy for dbus that allows programs with token x to talk to your dbus service17:17
itsnotabigtruckactually i just realized that you don't need to assert access like i said, because that's for other apps that want to talk to your dbus server17:18
itsnotabigtrucknot the dbus server itself17:18
itsnotabigtruckso i led you astray :(17:18
itsnotabigtruckare you sure all the paths are correct?17:18
hiemanshuso is there a way to run a GUI as root?17:19
itsnotabigtruckhiemanshu: not without cap::dac_override17:20
itsnotabigtrucki looked into that a while back for opptimizer17:20
Namekitsnotabigtruck: yest the paths are correct, it didn't work :( I don't know what else can I do as If I used the auto gen aegis file my app can't access the database when rebooting17:20
hiemanshuitsnotabigtruck: so thats a no :(17:21
itsnotabigtruckhiemanshu: pretty much, better figure out some other way to do it, like spawning a process17:21
itsnotabigtruckassert uid::root and the setxid policy mod17:21
itsnotabigtruck*mode   then setreuid to swap the real and effective uids at will17:22
itsnotabigtruckthat means however that your app won't work correctly if it's launched as root17:22
itsnotabigtruckyou could also use setfsuid instead of setreuid17:22
itsnotabigtruckbut there's a good chance you can find a way to avoid needing to run as the root user at all17:23
hiemanshuitsnotabigtruck: I can spawn a process, I just need to well, run something as root17:24 still doesn't create any directories under debian/librtmp0, though all libs get compiled and sit in the build dir17:24
hiemanshurun a command as root basically17:25
itsnotabigtruckhiemanshu: which command?17:25
hiemanshuitsnotabigtruck: well cant say that, lets see if I can do without root17:26
hiemanshuI'll find a way around17:26
itsnotabigtruckhiemanshu: unless you're doing a filesystem write, you probably don't actually need the root user17:26
itsnotabigtrucksee if you can assert capabilities instead17:27
hiemanshuI'll see that17:27
itsnotabigtruckalso if you're doing a filesystem read, cap::dac_read_search is a developer credential17:27
itsnotabigtruckit's like cap::dac_override for reads only17:27
itsnotabigtruckin some cases you might be able to get away with that17:28
itsnotabigtruckbut keep in mind that executing a process from a process that has an aegis add or set policy which includes any credentials17:29
itsnotabigtruckis usually a security hole17:29
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zx2c4itsnotabigtruck, whats that command to list the aegeis privs a process has?17:37
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niwakameSegfaulting malf only occurs on system components, right?17:49
niwakameSo if I'm segfaulting like crazy on a selfwritten program that doesn't matter?17:50
Namekis there a way to add to my buld something like DEFINES += MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN automatically so if I change the target I doesn't define that macro?17:50
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djszapi|vboxHey! Is anybody developing for Harmattan from XP?19:11
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itsnotabigtruckzx2c4: just got back online19:28
itsnotabigtruckit's accli -I19:28
itsnotabigtruckyou can add an argument to look it up for an arbitrary pid19:28
djszapi|vboxitsnotabigtruck: ping19:29
itsnotabigtrucknormally it does its own parent pid (i.e. the shell you ran it from)19:29
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi|vbox: 'sup19:29
djszapi|vboxyou are the guru at random stuff :)19:29
djszapi|vboxhaving a hefty stuff19:29
djszapi|vboxusing linux in virtualbox19:29
djszapi|vbox'd like to install an enclipse environment19:29
ptldoes anyone have aiccu compiled for the N9?19:29
djszapi|vboxfor DSP development19:29
djszapi|vboxptl: still nop19:29
itsnotabigtruckno idea at all19:29
itsnotabigtruckobviously some kind of font related thing19:30
ptlk thx19:30
itsnotabigtruckman, i'm getting a LOT of spams lately19:31
itsnotabigtruckmost of them seem to have a subject of 'newsletter', and that's it19:31
djszapi|vboxitsnotabigtruck: got a clue to fix the thingie?19:32
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi|vbox: the 'no idea at all' was about your issue19:32
itsnotabigtrucki really don't know much about x and that sounds like a weird problem19:33
djszapi|vboxitsnotabigtruck: ^^19:33
djszapi|vboxI am not good jedi enough19:33
djszapi|vboxitsnotabigtruck: you have an idea :)19:33
djszapi|vboxyou should now repeat you ahve one ;)19:33
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niwakameanyone here who is familiar with oauth on REST basis?19:46
niwakameso basically the transmitted information rather than generation (that works)19:46
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Namekjonni: are you there?20:12
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djszapi|vboxNamek: do not ask to ask20:16
Namekdjszapi: sorry, yesterday jonni was the one that seems to know the answer to my question20:19
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djszapi|vboxNamek: well, it is your problem to not fire away instantly.20:29
Namektake it easy dude, I'm not harming anyone20:32
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djszapi|vboxrzr: so do you have time for packaging that stuff?20:53
rzrit depends on ocaml20:54
rzrso not that easy20:54
rzri did push a package to u in case u want to finish it20:54
MohammadAGanyone got an N9 with PR1.3?21:02
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djszapi|vboxrzr: I would not like to. :)21:02
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NamekI do21:07
MohammadAGcan you do dpkg -l system-ui and paste the full version string?21:07
MohammadAGmake sure the terminal/ssh window is maximized21:08
MohammadAGor use | less / | more21:08
Namekas user? or root?21:08
MohammadAGdoesn't matter21:08
MohammadAGwe're gonna have a problem here21:11
MohammadAGanyone got PR1.3 sources DVD?21:11
Namekwhat's the problem?21:11
MohammadAGhmm, git has a newer version21:12
MohammadAGno problems, carry on, thanks :p21:13
djszapi|vboxrzr: please drop me an email once the package is available, thanks.21:13
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rigoanybody an idea how to resolve my download/dependency problem with PR 1.3? some apps load, but dev-mode doesn't. Even with meecatalog, install of openssh server fails. can't change the nameserver either21:25
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niwakamesomeone knows how to disable headers with QNetworkRequest?21:31
niwakameI tried req.setRawHeader("Accept-Language",QByteArray());21:32
niwakamebut that does nothing...21:32
MohammadAG32wd_to reboots21:34
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GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, it was complaining about layout files when I tried to flash the rootfs.21:36
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MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, exact command and exact error?21:37
GeneralAntillesOne sec.21:38
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, it's pretty clearly not letting me update because it sees PR1.3 on the device.21:38
MohammadAGyeah, but it should be easy to circumvent that imo21:38
GeneralAntillesIs there any way to force around that that doesn't involve building a new FIASCO image with PR1.3 certs and PR1.2 payload as itsnotabigtruck suggested?21:38
MohammadAGthe layout file is for eMMC flashing, you might lose data21:39
GeneralAntillesDon't care21:39
GeneralAntillesI just don't want to have to mail it back to Finland.21:39
GeneralAntillesflasher -r ./rootfs.jffs2 -f21:39
GeneralAntillesERROR: rootfs in this format requires a layout file - you need to use fiasco-gen21:40
MohammadAGyou need to build an image21:40
MohammadAGthat's what fiasco-gen does21:40
MohammadAGyou have SB right?21:40
GeneralAntillesNot installed currently, no.21:40
MohammadAGhow'd you get PR1.3 on it?21:41
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, I installed the Skype stuff from the N9 repo the other night.21:41
GeneralAntillesThen forgot to disable the repo21:41
GeneralAntillesand stupidly installed the updates it notified me about in the morning.21:41
MohammadAGand it bricked just like that?21:41
arceanstrange, I'm running N9 PR1.3 on N950 :)21:42
MohammadAGit should work fine21:42
MohammadAGarcean, different method?21:43
arceanno, just OTA21:43
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jonnirigo: you dont need to be root to install dev-mode, you can install it as user too.21:43
GeneralAntillesIs there an N9 OCF I could flash without screwing up cellmo etc?21:43
MohammadAGDoubt it21:43
MohammadAGor you could try actually21:43
arceancellmo is the same21:43
MohammadAGit's not like there's a permanent brick anyway21:44
GeneralAntillesHow much more of a brick can I make it?21:44
denismregarding to PR1.3 - strange, just got a lot of problems on qt-components app (FBReader). Never seen such misbehaviour on PR1.2, so most probably - some new bugs :(21:44
MohammadAGnothing more21:44
jonnior maybe people show wait a while and see if official N950 PR1.3 is released ;)21:44
MohammadAGit won't be21:44
arceanjonni, yes with 1.3 SDK repo ? :D21:45
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denismI hope they will spend such resources for PR1.4 for N9 instead of PR1.3 for N95021:45
MohammadAGafaik you could set version via flasher-3.521:45
MohammadAGnot sure it'd work on the N95021:45
arceandenism, 1.3 for N950 is ready (well sort of)21:45
GeneralAntillesSomebody must've worked out how to downgrade.21:45
MohammadAGwonder if cold flashing would work...21:46
arceanGeneralAntilles, did you try itsnotabigtruck method with fiasco-gen?21:46
GeneralAntillesThis is such a stupid situation to be in.21:46
MohammadAGhe doesn't have fiasco-gen21:46
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, try cold flashing21:46
MohammadAGI doubt it'll work, but worth a shot21:46
GeneralAntillesarcean, no, I'm not sure where to start and don't have the tools easily at hand.21:47
denismarcaen: do you mean RM680 image? There should be a proper SDK update and so on - I do not believe it is 'ready'21:47
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, you'll need SB installed to use fiasco-gen21:47
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, anyway, try cold flashing21:48
arceandenism, I saw PR 1.3 repo for N950 :P21:49
MohammadAGnow try to flash the full PR1.2 image21:49
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GeneralAntillesSame complaint21:50
jonniarcean: that one is not public yet, so remember the channel topic, no NDA stuff here.21:51
GeneralAntillesWhat an obnoxious feature for a dev phone.21:51
arceanMohammadAG, btw mp-harmattan-xxx-pr contains sw-cert (flashes?)21:51
denismarcean: I think they are generated automatically. But does anyone work for PR1.3 for N950? (do tests and so on) Really not sure.21:51
MohammadAGarcean, where does it have it?21:53
GeneralAntillesWhy can't I just say "Yes, yes. Install it anyway and force open mode."21:54
GeneralAntillesThat would be helpful.21:54
denismI would like to get PR1.3 for N950, but I do not believe to such possibility at all. :(21:55
MohammadAG~ $ sysinfoclient -g /device/sw-release-ver21:56
MohammadAGthis is where it gets it21:56
MohammadAG~ $ sysinfoclient -g /device/sw-release-ver21:56
MohammadAG/device/sw-release-ver = DFL61_HARMATTAN_3.2012.02-6_PR_RM68021:56
arceanMohammadAG, /usr/share/osso/cert-sw21:56
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, so how do I overwrite?21:56
MohammadAG    MMC content version that the device currently has.21:57
MohammadAG    Example: "DFL61_HARMATTAN_0.2010.49-3"21:57
MohammadAG    This value gets set when the device is flashed, and it can also21:57
MohammadAG    change after upgrading via SSU.21:57
MohammadAG    Currently sysinfod reads this from CAL.21:57
MohammadAGyou need to modify cal, not sure if that's safe21:57
arceandenism, it's possible to use N9 repo21:58
GeneralAntilles^ I don't recommend it. O_O21:59
MohammadAGthere it is21:59
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05, wasn't there a tool to modify cal?21:59
jonniGeneralAntilles: I must have missed the backlog, what is the current state and what you are trying to solve?21:59
MohammadAGo hai21:59
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DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: there was22:00
GeneralAntillesjonni, current state is an N950 brick that wont boot that's PR1.3 enough that I can't reflash it with the public PR1.2 image available for N950.22:00
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, here's the best bet22:00
MohammadAGbackup /dev/mtd122:00
MohammadAGthen sed the value22:01
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05, where?22:01
DocScrutinizer05sorry, lost the link22:01
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jonniGeneralAntilles: boot with rescue kernel, untar rootfs from pr1.2 to mounted drive and reboot?22:01
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DocScrutinizer05iirc in somw git22:02
GeneralAntillesThere's the open mode warning, I guess.22:04
aephm, so how do i actually enable open mode? is there some wiki?22:05
GeneralAntillesThis'd be less frustrating to airmail, I think.22:07
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* GeneralAntilles fires off a mail to qgil.22:10
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, wait!22:10
GeneralAntillesToo late!22:10
GeneralAntillesWhat's the answer?22:10
GeneralAntillesI can always say nevermind.22:10
GeneralAntillesI just asked him who I need to talk to.22:11
MohammadAGthis might work GeneralAntilles
MohammadAGor it may cause havoc22:12
MohammadAGlemme read through it again22:12
GeneralAntillesLooks dangerous.22:12
MohammadAGit's a modified version of qwerty12's R&D tool22:12
rm_workGeneralAntilles: managed to brick your N950? :(22:14
GeneralAntillesBecause I'm magic.22:14
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, you're tempting me to try it22:17
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, the CAL murder?22:17
denism  MohammadAG wow I have missed it, cool, thank you for the link22:18
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, let me be the guinea pig.22:18
MohammadAGmissed what denism ?22:18
GeneralAntillesMine doesn't work.22:18
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, wait, some final mods22:18
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denism your last pastebin link :) and the content of it22:19
pajonni, ah so there's a way to go back to pr1.2?22:19
paif so, i'd do right away!22:19
itsnotabigtruckdid GeneralAntilles get anywhere?22:20
itsnotabigtruckyou need the layout file22:20
itsnotabigtruckit directs the rootfs to go onto the emmc, which is what you want22:20
itsnotabigtruckotherwise it'll go on the nand, which is probably not what you want because it doesn't ship that way22:20
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, itsnotabigtruck22:20
MohammadAG~ # /home/user/versionwriter22:20
MohammadAGCAL ERROR: open(/dev/mtd1): Permission denied22:20
MohammadAGFailed to init CAL.22:20
itsnotabigtruckyeah, that isn't going to work in open mode22:20
jonniMohammadAG: on openmode cal is locked, you cant edit22:20
itsnotabigtruckopen mode = cal locked down = no version writing22:20
rigocan somebody tell me whether nokia is blocking downloads or whether that thing times out too fast? I can't install developer mode. It always says "Connection to application provider was lost"22:21
MohammadAGeven in a different kernel?22:21
MohammadAGsay, rescue kernel?22:21
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xipp2hi all22:21
itsnotabigtruckit's why the only downgrade method i know of isn't gonna work now that generalantilles flashed his sw cert to something higher than any functioning image22:21
DocScrutinizer05jonni: MohammadAG: that's the tale22:21
jonniyou can just use rescue kernel to deploy older rootfs22:21
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer05: then you find a way around it22:21
MohammadAGit's not that22:21
MohammadAGhow is it locked?22:21
MohammadAGuserland, kernelspace, etc22:21
itsnotabigtruckdon't a lot of flash controllers allow locking down certain areas22:22
itsnotabigtruckit's often used specifically to keep the user from flashing their own hacked stuff22:22
MohammadAGbut I can open it fine22:22
paah :(22:22
itsnotabigtrucknolo presumably does that22:22
itsnotabigtruckwhen it decides to do an open mode boot22:22
itsnotabigtruckbut if there's a way around that, cool22:22
pait sucks.. pr1.3 sucks and we cant even go back :(22:22
itsnotabigtruckbut the combo image is probably the best bet for now22:22
jonniMohammadAG: its readonly :)22:22
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: probably a toggle in NAND itself22:23
DocScrutinizer05I'd think you can toggle it both directions though, but of course that's not supported by HARM22:23
MohammadAGso theoretically I could downgrade in closed mode22:23
jonniyour only public method is to use rescue kernel to push older rootfs to device.22:23
itsnotabigtruckMohammadAG: see pm22:23
itsnotabigtruckthe fiasco-gen option seems like a better idea than that22:24
rigopa, mine is working in 1.3 except for 3G and developer-mode22:24
itsnotabigtruckbesides, no method is a "public method"22:24
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MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, it's a bit personal now22:24
jonniafaik harmattan fiasco-gen is not public binary.22:24
MohammadAGit is22:24
itsnotabigtruckpresumably the "public method" is to do nothing and hang onto your bricked phone22:24
MohammadAGand it supports signing22:24
itsnotabigtruckit supports signing only through talking to some nokia server22:24
itsnotabigtruckbut you can tell it not to sign22:25
itsnotabigtruckyou don't want to sign22:25
pai wonder whether nokia plans to now let the phone die. coz 1.3 clearly introduced new bugs, and if they dont plan to fix them, at least i hope they let us go back to 1.222:25
aephm i flashed the kernel from  but uname still says it's the default one. do i need to invoke some magic to _really_ flash a kernel?22:25
itsnotabigtruckaep: are you still on pr1.1?22:25
MohammadAGI wonder if one can unpack the 1.3 image and sign it for the N922:25
aepitsnotabigtruck: no, 1.3, but it's the only open thing i found22:25
MohammadAGerr, repack it for the N95022:25
DocScrutinizer05pa: good point. Alas I guess Nokia won't care22:25
itsnotabigtruckaep: there's one for pr1.3 already, the kernel has to match the rootfs22:26
itsnotabigtruckwhy not just use inception22:26
itsnotabigtruckway easier22:26
aepitsnotabigtruck: yeah that's what i thought, i flashed this one too:  without any effect22:26
rigomeecatalog does only work for some pieces. rest of the repos don't work at all22:26
itsnotabigtruckwell, did the flasher say it was doing anything or just error out22:26
aepitsnotabigtruck: i did use inception, messed with some stuff and got a nice and shiny aegis hates you message22:26
itsnotabigtruckalso if you're going to go into open mode, you should do it right after reflashing your phone22:26
aepit sayd success22:26
itsnotabigtruckso either flash everything, then do the kernel afterward22:27
jonniaep: with what flags did you flash it? are you sure that you didnt just do -b?22:27
aep ./usr/bin/flasher -l -k /tmp/downloads/zImage-
itsnotabigtruckah, change that -l to -k22:27
DocScrutinizer05aep: this one should have kernel patches that always return "ok" for any aegis auth query22:27
itsnotabigtruckbut what you need to do in order to do this right is22:27
aepDocScrutinizer05: which one?22:27
jonni-l doesnt flash it.22:27
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itsnotabigtrucka) flash main + emmc completely22:27
itsnotabigtruckdo not reboot the phone22:27
itsnotabigtruckb) if you want inception, install inception and call it done22:28
aepDocScrutinizer05: awesome. thanks22:28
itsnotabigtruckc) otherwise, run that command that clears the disclaimer image22:28
itsnotabigtruckd) then flash main + emmc completely *again*22:28
pabut i have a chance, sending th ephone to service22:28
itsnotabigtruckand then the kernel22:28
pafor the screen problem :)22:28
itsnotabigtruckoh, and ignore the "do not reboot the phone" after a)22:28
aepitsnotabigtruck: ok so it's not just flashing the kernel. got a wiki for that or something?22:28
itsnotabigtruckaep: well, the problem is that if you don't wipe everything together with going into open mode, you'll get some errors specifically related to accounts and some other stuff22:29
itsnotabigtruckand if you don't go into closed mode, then reset the disclaimer image, you'll get a warranty void image every time you boot22:29
MohammadAGk, they won, I gave up22:29
aepi just flashed a plain 1.322:29
MohammadAGthe rescue kernel doesn't allow SSH22:29
DocScrutinizer05aep: aegis sits in a lot of rootfs tools as well. While openmode kernel allows you to mess with them, they still act up22:29
MohammadAGit might work in nitdroid22:29
itsnotabigtruckand open mode is the mode you go into after loading any sort of unauthorized stuff22:30
itsnotabigtruckthis "open mode kernel" is a non-stock modded kernel that nulls out the aegis checks22:30
itsnotabigtrucki think it's a pretty dumb idea but certain people seem to like it22:30
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DocScrutinizer05I hate it how 50% of "please help!" in this chan is about aegis22:30
DocScrutinizer05maybe 80%22:31
aepitsnotabigtruck: ok, so maybe i'm going the wrong way here. all i want is get rid of the lockscreen, so i used inception to change the binary, but then i got an "boh boh you changed things" boot error. i though open mode fixes that22:31
GeneralAntillesHey, ho, Jolla! Let's go!22:31
itsnotabigtruckwell, even if aegis were the best shit ever, it would still be complicated, and people don't want to figure out complicated stuff22:31
aepitsnotabigtruck: this device is reduced to being a TV remote for the record. i'm totally happy if i loose all of its phone capabilities22:32
itsnotabigtruckand, aep: ah yeah, you can't just edit stuff willy nilly with inception loaded, unless you tidy things up for aegis22:32
DocScrutinizer05aep: nope, openmode would allow you to fix the tempered checksum you created by editing22:32
itsnotabigtrucksame with regular open mode22:32
jesuschrist^anyway Jolla is not a cool name :(22:33
aeperr so open mode doesn't actually allow me to do that? now i'm confused22:33
itsnotabigtruckwith the modded open mode kernel on doc's site, it would skip checking whether most things are ok and keep working anyway22:33
itsnotabigtrucki gotta fly22:33
aepthanks, later22:33
jesuschrist^bye trucky22:33
DocScrutinizer05aep: sorry I got some /ignores here, so probably my answers collide with what somebody else told ya. I'll shut up22:34
aepthe only relevant answer was from itsnotabigtruck. i hope you're not ignoring him :P22:34
DocScrutinizer05yep, exactly22:34
aepoh. (not asking... not asking...)22:34
jesuschrist^was it for a woman ?22:34
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DocScrutinizer05I can't stand his style22:35
aephe's gone now. so back to your idea22:35
aepyou're saying the stuff on  basicly makes aegis return ok for everything, right?22:36
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aepi dont' see what could be wrong with it then :)22:38
aepi'm expecting to loose some capabilities like password storage. fortunately i dont care.22:38
DocScrutinizer05well, it throws the openmode toggle in NOLO22:38
DocScrutinizer05which means a lot of stuff is lockked down from then on22:38
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aephm anything important?22:39
DocScrutinizer05run `mount|grep aegis`22:39
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DocScrutinizer05inception (as long as it works) is the "smarter" way, as system thinks it's still in secure mode22:40
aepcan't run that right now, trying to flash. bitching about "ERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages"22:41
DocScrutinizer05hmm, others had a solution for this, my instructions and session log are from pre-1.2 even22:42
rigoanybody a clue where I could get aegis-dev-mode or aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy from? I still need to get developer-mode running, so apt-get something is not an option22:42
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trxcan anyone help me with some basic c++, if i use myBitmap = QBitmap::fromData(...); (Docs : in a function, what is the proper way to free it later ?22:44
trxmyBitmap is : QBitmap myBitmap;22:45
MohammadAGtrx, it'll be destroyed when the function returns22:46
trxso i thought22:46
trxthanks MohammadAG22:46
MohammadAGyou're welcome :)22:46
aepit makes a copy, for the record. the original source is still your responsbility.22:47
GeneralAntillesAnybody feel a little about Jolla?22:47
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i do :P22:48
AardGeneralAntilles: that wasn't a very uncommon response ;)22:49
GeneralAntillesMaybe it's a function of how bad things were looking there for a while.22:49
GeneralAntillesBut damn. I'm excited.22:49
Aardme too ;)22:50
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arceanTwo smartphones with Jolla OS next year? :O22:53
GeneralAntillesSee? Exciting!22:54
SpeedEvil - I'm this excited.22:55
GeneralAntillesBizarre, SpeedEvil.22:57
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SpeedEvilIt does seem almost bizarre as a buisness venture - I truly hope I'll be able to buy one.22:59
GeneralAntillesI'm all about somebody small shaking up the mobile market.22:59
SpeedEvilWhatever the situation - they seem likely to have the several million at least in funding to get a hardware design out the door.23:00
aepDocScrutinizer05: it even says bad rootfs format in /nas/Devices/N9/059J1V8/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin23:00
aepDocScrutinizer05: i suspect something is wrong with the flasher.23:00
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, yeah, the backing is impressive.23:01
SpeedEvilThis is not to take away from what the GTA04 or pandora guys did - but at some point you can't do it on enthusiasm alone.23:01
GeneralAntillesYeah, hardware is expensive.23:02
DocScrutinizer05oh yes23:03
GeneralAntillesI just hope we still have swipe.23:03
GeneralAntillesThat's the secret sauce.23:03
DocScrutinizer05way beyond what the average sw-devel might be willing to figure23:04
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: swipe is out of game afaik23:04
GeneralAntillesWhy for so?23:04
DocScrutinizer05Nokia patent23:04
DocScrutinizer05ask Stskeeps23:04
GeneralAntillesBut doesn't webOS have something similar?23:04
GeneralAntillesand BB10?23:04
DocScrutinizer05please notice "AFAIK"23:05
Stskeepsdon't ask me about nokia patents, simpsons did it23:05
SpeedEvilProblem is as a small vendor, you eed to be even more scared about patents.23:05
GeneralAntillesYeah, the patent situation is truly a nightmare.23:05
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VelmontYeah, sad part is that they're probably totally bogus. (Well all are). But that doesn't matter, it'll take ages to prove it and lots of cash :-/23:06
SpeedEvilI doubt Jolla has a patent puddle.23:06
VelmontIt can maybe join OIN (Open Innovation Network).23:06
VelmontThey have quite a lot of defensive patents.23:06
GeneralAntillesHope they get a website soon.23:07
AardGeneralAntilles: yes, we will23:07
GeneralAntillesAard, and please use MediaWiki if you put up a wiki.23:08
SpeedEvilAnd you must use pkgtool format from slackware as a package manager, or I'm not buying one.23:08
aephm ok, got the openmode kernel flashed, but it doesnt boot (stuck with the non animated gry nokia logo). can i get a  serial terminal or something without messing with the hardware?23:08
AardSpeedEvil: oh, don't worry, we merged pkgtool with portage, and put an emacs-based frontend on top23:09
azeembut is the handset going to be PINK?23:09
GeneralAntillesPink or GTFO23:09
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Aardazeem: only comes with hello kitty branding ;)23:10
VelmontInstant hit23:14
ptlif it's a decent linux phone I'd buy it even with pink hello kitties all over the screen23:15
ptlas long as they are translucent23:15
Aardyes, and if you don't like it there's still the my little pony edition23:16
GeneralAntillesIs there a crossover edition?23:16
GeneralAntillesDouble the cuteness for double the win?23:16
ptlwith 262k or 16 million color pony rainbows?23:16
AardGeneralAntilles: hm, I think we only anounced 2 phones so far ;)23:16
ptlWin? No Win. Let Microsoft alone.23:16
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GeneralAntillesAard, damn!23:17
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AardI have to admit, I kind of like the idea of all the geeks running around with pink hello kitty phones ;)23:18
GeneralAntillesBuild it and they will come.23:18
VelmontHehe, yeah, I'd buy it anyway. I have with most other first gen Linux phones that have been released.23:20
ptlMaybe anime catgirls will buy the phone too.23:21
paany smart way to reinstall everything after flashing a rom?23:21
pai heared jonni mentioning something like that23:22
Aardpa: get your intern to click the buttons for you? the store integration on harmattan is crap23:22
jonnipa: that would be my backup/restore script that I havent released yet :)23:22
paah thats it.. :)23:23
jonniit automaticly backups all store .deb packages and reinstalls all with one command23:23
panot planning to release it anytime soon, right?23:23
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jonnidepends if coding competition release page goes up anytime soon or not :)23:24
paah ) then i wait reflashing :D23:24
jonnibut for time beeing Im keeping it as my personal script :)23:24
pathat's fine, i might stand reinstalling by hand one more time or two23:25
pai will rather bug you soon about something else :D23:25
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arceanawesome picture from TMO, :)23:45
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