IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-07-09

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rigowhen switching to developer mode, it says installation package not found :(00:00
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DocScrutinizer05pa: can't be true01:47
DocScrutinizer05pa: afaik industry fails to build modems that use less than 3mA (not mW) in idle registered mode01:48
DocScrutinizer05and that's for modem only01:48
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jonnimy PR1-3 normal low powerscreen consumption is about 6-8mA, and 24mA if my wifi is on.01:54
jonnialtough if cpu load is low I can have ssh session over wifi and only 9mA is consumed, so consuption varies quite much depending on cpu load. and ofource my low powerscreen script generates the picture once a minute, so I could make the consumption even smaller by not updating so often.02:01
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ZogG_laptopis it me or apps4meego is down?02:25
jonniyep, its down02:26
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ZogG_laptopjonni, any ideas or info?02:28
jonnino info02:28
ZogG_laptopit's scary world today02:29
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DocScrutinizer05jonni: which tool do you use to read out system power consumption?02:35
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rzrZogG, why scary world today ?03:15
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rzri confirm it's scary my E7 broke03:22
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RST38hrzr: What did you do with it? It is made of metal!03:38
* RST38h takes out his E7, strokes its smooth cold aluminium body, smiles suggestively03:39
rzrso hw or sw ?03:43
RST38hI would guess hw03:43
RST38hToo specific for sw03:43
rzrmore details :03:44
rzr My #nokia #E7 is stuck on “Security code:” screen : touchscreen and keyboard are not responsible03:44
RST38hPull the SIM card out, reboot03:44
rzri did this in loop during a couple of hours03:45
rzri've been doing this03:45
rzrplease fix my English ;)03:45
rzrthe world is b0rken too03:45
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JuksHi, I'm trying to use a Sheet element and sometimes when it closes (accept or reject) part of it remains on the scren, if I rotate it dissapear so it's something like the screen is not refreshing any advice?04:08
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Tronic"Jos joku on työskennellyt tuon Intel-MeeGo-laitteen (Lauta) parissa niin tarinaa siitä olisi tervetullutta. Täydennystä voi laittaa tulemaan myös aiheista: Columbus, eColumbus, Columbus II, DirectUI, Harmattan UI Simplification, Senna, Ilmatar sekä tietysti MeeGon alasajosta ja Windows Phoneen siirtymisestä."04:46
TronicSampsa Kurri is requesting more information on those topics (from former or current Nokia insiders).04:46
TronicMail in you want to contribute to his upcoming article on MeeGo. Sources will remain anonymous.04:47
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jonniDocScrutinizer05: I use bmestat10:40
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rigoflashed my N9 to PR1.3 and now the 3G data connection doesn't work anymore. I also have trouble putting it into developer mode as it can't find the packages (over the wifi connection). Is this a known problem or is it just me having messed up my phone?11:08
denismrigo: 3G - no such problem, regarding to dev.mode - do not know11:10
jonnirigo: most likely you just have messed up, since dev mode should install over wifi just fine, sounds like you need to reflash.11:14
rigojonni, it happend after I flashed it. my PR 1.2 installation was working11:15
befordi've just enabled dev mode and it worked11:16
jonnirigo: and you flashed emmc at the same time as main image?11:17
jonni(if you didnt then that can explain your problems)11:18
rigowhich image do you have? Looks I got a bogus one. I did this
rigoand flashed with DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin11:19
denismrigo: you have to flash eMMC image also11:19
denism"Additionally, there is a content image ("eMMC image") " - from that page11:19
jonniyes thats the right main image, but in addition to that you also need to flash the emmc11:19
rigoah, I thought I could keep my user data11:20
rigook, will do11:20
jonniif you do ssu, then you usually can keep the user data, but with flasher its better to flash emmc at same time.11:20
jonni(when your switching from pr1.2 to pr1.3, you dont need to reflash emmc if you do pr1.3 to pr1.3)11:21
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paby the way11:33
pai finished to check11:33
paso now radio 2g + standby: 7mA11:33
paw. PR1.2: 4mA11:33
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pahas anybody who reflashed checked this?11:34
aparaattianyone can point me where to get gnu-screen for n9?11:34
pai updated ota11:34
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pa(and i use battery usage)11:37
paif i have to reflash, it will be a nightmare to reinstall everything11:37
rigopa, I'm there.11:41
parigo: u reflashed and you use battery usage?11:42
pahow much does your n9 drink, in standby?11:42
rigoI reflashed and I lost everything and I also had a complex setup11:42
paah ok.. if you check the power consumption, pls let me know11:43
rigopa, perhaps to monitor how much it drinks. It mainly depends on how good the signal is11:43
rigoif I'm next to the wifi, it holds for 2 days11:43
rigoif I'm GSM only, no data, it also holds for pretty long time11:44
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rigoif in some remote area with one bar on GSM reception and data usage, its 12hours max11:44
pawell, as i wrote be4, same condition, PR1.2 4mA, PR1.3 7mA11:45
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rigoanother interesting consequence of reflash is that you lose your apps, even the paid ones11:45
pabut isnt there a way to save the deb once you install them the first time?11:46
pathere should be a couple of ways to do that11:46
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rigobut as you have acquired a right and not a thing, they should give it to you for free or at least give you backup -debs to re-install. Something to keep in mind for jolla as this will make the distrib superior to others11:46
parigo, actually do you know what's jolla plans? i read they plan to make phones11:47
rigopa, that should be the default to save the debs, but not in phone space11:47
rigopa, that's what I read in their press release11:47
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parigo, iirc, with apt-something you should be able to get the deb back11:47
rigothey said they will bring out a phone in Nov/Dec11:47
paso they wont create anything for n9, right?11:48
rigopa, don't know, perhaps create a thing better than N911:48
denismpa: yes, they do not work for Nokia (like N9)11:48
pawell yes sure, but n9 is nice, it would be bad to trash it already11:48
rigopa, I don't want a quad-core 3kg battery super computer phone... :-/11:49
padenism, it would be nice if they could separate OS and hardware11:49
paand produce hardware compatible with their OS11:49
pawhich could, however, be installed on other phones too11:49
rigopa, I had my P910 for 5 years and I only changed because it had no WIFI11:49
rigoI don't plan to change the N9 soon11:49
pai would pay for a meltemi for n911:50
pa(means maemo next)11:50
rigobut I think there is a low hanging fruit to take over the app-stores for N9 and N90011:50
* rigo is clueless about meltemi, pointer?11:51
rigopa, look at
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pahe has the same problem11:58
paso it was not just me dreaming :)11:58
denism pa: seems he is using a lot of additional apps, it might be a reason11:58
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aparaattijonni: thank you very much12:14
paits amazing to read of people having 15-17mA idle consumption with no apps running in background12:20
denismhmm, interesting, I have checked my battery usage stats (PR1.3 by SSU) and it says 11mA as average idle consumption. No open apps, but WiFi + 2 email accounts, twitter + skype + gtalk12:23
paskype is a killer12:24
pato test, you should probably turn off wifi, and your google + email + twitter + skype accounts12:24
denismperhaps later today12:25
DocScrutinizer05pa: GSM is pretty unpredictable regarding standby power. To make sure you got same RF network conditions you basically need a lab with something like CMU200 GSM tester12:25
pabut in the uber discussion thread i see many complaining of more battery drained12:25
paDocScrutinizer, i tested also with radio off12:25
macmaNjonni: screen? i thought tmux stomped it with a big dinosaur foot for almost any and all purposes12:25
pa5mA vs 3mA12:25
DocScrutinizer05now that's way better12:25
macmaNwho would ever want to use screen again, i wonder12:25
jonnimacmaN: I've gotten used to screen shortcuts because of 10+ years of usage :)12:26
macmaNjonni: right. i also mapped ctrl+a in tmux :>12:26
macmaNill give you that12:26
pathere was some nice page with a list of them, i remember12:26
paprobably i even have it bookmarked12:26
macmaNbut that ended up being all i needed12:26
pai guess you need screen on n9 coz you can have only one terminal running12:27
pa(2, if you use mtermite)12:27
panever tried tmux, good hint :)12:29
macmaNhere's another good hint12:29
macmaNhut/ranger for file manager12:29
macmaNfirst of all it looks awesome in task switcher12:30
pacool, thanks! but im not sure im ready to leave mc yet :)12:31
macmaNmc will look like elephant in a porcelain shop after youve gotten used to ranger12:31
paright.. i can try :)12:32
macmaNvim skill is needed tho :>12:32
macmaNto enjoy default keybindings12:32
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aparaattijonni: the deb says Asennus paketti ei kelpaa (??)12:34
jonniaparaatti: file size? and did you try to install it with dpkg or pkgmgr?12:35
aparaattijonni: I just double clicked from file box... so dpkg should work?12:35
jonniaparaatti: if it has some uninstalled depency then dpkg will not work and you need to use pkgmgr12:36
jonni(as pkgmgr also installs the depencies)12:37
jonnipkgmgr install-file -f screen_4.0.3-14_armel.deb12:38
ZogG_laptopKozzi, ping12:39
ZogG_laptoplbt, X-Fade ping12:40
X-FadeZogG_laptop: What's up?12:40
ZogG_laptopX-Fade, hey sup12:42
ZogG_laptopX-Fade, appsmeego was down yesterday, just checked it's ok12:43
ZogG_laptopand i found small bug12:43
ZogG_laptopreview changing gives error12:43
ZogG_laptopX-Fade, ^12:44
X-FadeZogG_laptop: Yeah, the server was down. I fixed that.12:45
ZogG_laptopX-Fade, and about review changing?12:45
X-FadeZogG_laptop: Not sure if that is even supported :)12:46
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aparaattijonni: size: 600.35 kB  ... it complains that "Package 'screen' version '4.0.3-14' is not user package"12:46
aparaattijonni: tried to install as root and user12:46
ZogG_laptopX-Fade, it is - you go to app in web, log in, change and have save or similuar button but than you get server error msg12:47
jonniaparaatti:  and if you do dpkg -i as root it still fails?12:47
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ZogG_laptopX-Fade, it says "push method is not allowed", my friend didn't mark " Should the application be in this application catalog?" and coz of it my app is in testing with even 6 positive reviews =)12:49
aparaattijonni: ok now it installed, but dpkg complained about not being able to change ownership of /var/run/screen12:49
X-FadeZogG_laptop: Yeah, I guess that part isn't implemented yet.12:49
jonniaparaatti: maybe you installed it as root, and not as devel-sh root (which has the chown capa)12:50
jonniaparaatti: devel-su; develsh; dpkg -i12:50
aparaattijonni: I changed it by hand and now it works...12:51
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aparaattijonni: yes I was root12:51
ZogG_laptoproot is for weak =)12:51
aparaattiZogG_laptop: root is root and frameworks vary12:52
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aparaattiso what's the difference?12:53
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aparaattibut now it works, thanks for help :)12:55
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ZogG_laptopaparaatti, use tmux =)12:56
aparaattiso develsh is even rooter than root?12:57
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rigojonni, still have the failure to download developer-mode13:02
rigoand still can't connect to the 3G network13:03
jonnirigo: and you are sure that you have setup your clock/date to be correct?13:03
rigoisn't the thing supposed to get the right date and time from the GSM network?13:04
jonnirigo: only if you enable that in the settings13:05
rigoit actually has the right time13:05
rigolooks like there are settings left from the old install13:05
jonnithere has been some cases that user has put 2011 as year instead of 2012. which will make developer mode download to fail.13:06
trxi rewrote rdesktop to use QML and it works on Harmattan, since this is my first c++ only project, is anyone interested to check the code for leaks, etc ? Its just one .cpp/.h13:06
rigoI've done flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --flash-only=emmc like in the description of itsnotabigtruck13:07
rigoshould I do something more brutal?13:07
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jonnirigo: "flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin" or "flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure" if you want to be brutal.13:08
jonnisecure erase should bring your device to factory condition, it things fail after that one, then its nokia care time13:10
jonninow I installed tmux to my N9, so I can compare if I'll stop using screen....13:12
ZogG_laptopjonni, i find it hard to use those apps without hw keyboard =(13:13
jonnithrough ssh wifi connection from your pc :)13:13
jonnior fingerterm (has transparent vkb)13:13
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aparaattii like the fingerterm13:13
ZogG_laptopi like it and use it too13:14
ZogG_laptopbtw is there way to scroll up there?13:14
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Lava_Croftgestures maybe, for scrolling13:16
jonniquick compare on tmux vs screen, is that tmux seems to be lacking the scrollmode like   ctrl-a-escape that screen has.13:17
jonnitmux copy-mode is kinda hack to scroll the history13:17
aparaattiisn't tmux for dividing one screen to different areas? Or there is tabs too...13:18
jonniit has tabs13:18
Lava_Croftscreen can do splitscreen too13:19
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hahlothat remains me, where I could get screen to N9?13:25
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Lava_Crofttry apt-get install screen?13:32
SpeedEvilIsn't it in devtools?13:33
hahlook thanks didn't find it when tried apt-cache search screen13:35
ZogG_laptophahlo, read to log above it has link13:39
rigojonni, after factory reset it says installation package not found for developer-mode13:39
ZogG_laptoprigo, wierd13:40
rigodid flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin" or "flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure13:40
rigocan it be that I took the wrong images and have simlocked my simlockless phone? Phoning actually works13:41
rigoand 3G data connection worked in PR 1.213:41
rigoshould I do a phone reset as in settings /reset?13:42
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hahloZogG_laptop: found it thanks, does it run in pr1.3 too and as a user?13:49
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ZogG_laptophahlo, it should run as user and i think yes as jonni said above13:56
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xpp1hi guys13:56
xpp1i'm having probs since 2 days13:56
xpp1i cant login anymore to my skype account13:56
xpp1it says "wrong password"13:57
xpp1yet its correct13:57
hahloZogG_laptop: ok thanks again13:57
xpp1anyone else experienced this issue ?13:57
ZogG_laptoptried re-adding ?13:58
rigonot here, but I had things when I consistently mistyped things13:58
rigodoes your skype account work from another computer?13:59
xpp1it works13:59
xpp1it worked till 2 days ago!!!13:59
xpp1i didnt change password or anything13:59
pais pr1.3 001 available on navifirm? cant find it..13:59
xpp1bad thing the skype plugin doesnt log anything, i see no messages in syslog13:59
xpp1i cant even create a new account anyway14:00
xpp1sip works, ovi store works, everything ok exept skype14:00
rigopa, just flashed it on my phone and got lots of problems14:02
rigoitsnotabigtruck has it in his description:
parigo, you mean pr1.3 001?14:03
pawhich one is it the 001?14:03
rigoI have found it for my Austria-phone14:03
* rigo is not sitting in Austria, just had the phone with code from Austria14:04
paah ok, so you dont have the generic one14:04
ZogG_laptopxpp1, delete, reboot, add again14:04
xpp1delete what zogg ?14:05
xpp1the account ?14:05
xpp1did it14:05
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xpp1bbl later14:06
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phakoDo you also see issues with the unread mail display not working in PR1.3?14:08
rigoperhaps I should flash with the generic image then14:08
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rigono generic image14:27
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rigocan't install fingerterm, can't trace dependencies14:36
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ArkanoiD_rumors say there won't be 1.3 for n950 at all?14:46
hahloscreen say:"Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 777."14:47
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alteregoArkanoiD_: looks that way.15:06
ArkanoiD_alterego, then we need a reliable step-by-step instruction (or better, a script) to make frankensteinian update from n9 images :-)15:07
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alteregoWell, you might :P15:11
alteregoI don't run Harmattan on my N950 :)15:11
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paelop is so lame15:22
paand besides everything, was n9 generating profits or not?15:23
paif yes, shutting down (not selling) the division is being braindead, or steered by someone else15:23
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chem|stpa: as it was better selling than lumias I guess it was generating profit, if you know maemo history you start to believe that elop is on a personal vengeance tour here to destroy someones work who pissed him off 10 years ago...15:24
pawhat did maemo do to elop 10 years ago?15:26
lildeimosa tweet of @ggreve: "Elop nominated for "criminally worst CEO ever" - have to agree:" :)15:26
pai suspect it was rather hidden in the microsoft agreement15:26
ArkanoiD_lildeimos, i'd vote for Robert Palmer15:28
alteregoFor a long time, N9 was a lot more successful than the Lumia15:28
alteregoIt sold more than the Lumia 800s and 710s up until a couple of months ago I believe.15:29
alteregoMay still be selling more for all I know ^.^15:29
thpalterego: so what do you run on your n950 if not harmattan?15:31
alteregoDepends what I'm working on.15:32
thpthat's good :) still a bit too kludgy for me the last time i tested it, though :/15:32
alteregoWell, that's what I'm going to try and refine ;)15:34
DocScrutinizer05-altyou're giving me ideas :-)15:34
DocScrutinizer05alterego: ^^^15:34
alteregoDocScrutinizer05: oh yes? :)15:35
alteregoDocScrutinizer05: pray tell :)15:37
lildeimosalterego: not GPL thoughts :)15:38
alteregoI wouldn't thought DocScrutinizer05 would be capable of anything non GPL :)15:39
DocScrutinizer05I just thought of putting this aegis-coffin to a decent purpose15:39
alteregoAh, cool.15:40
paexactly. so if a  division is generating profit, why would a company ever shut it down? I mean, i would understand selling it, but shutting it down..15:40
alteregoIs it a cure for the aegis?15:40
alteregopa: because Elop isn't interested in success, he wants a Microsoft Phone factory.15:40
SpeedEvilpa: Because they can then sell the assets, and generate cash to stop the comany as a whole tanking.15:40
SpeedEvilpa: Or because you believe that the capital freed by stopping doing something can be better invested in something else that will lead to better profit in the future.15:41
rigook, perhaps of the current online, someone can help. I re-flashed my N9 with PR 1.3 by doing flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin" or "flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure with the binaries for 059JV4 (Austria) and it continues to not be able to connect to 3G and also says "instalation package not found" when I try to install developer mode15:41
rigoI have a dark recollection that developer mode only installed over 3G and not over wifi15:42
rigoovi store works with hickups. Certain packages work, others don't work15:43
alteregorigo: not true, works fine on any network connection15:43
rigook, so i have 2 issues (probably related) that I can't connect to 3G (just saying can't connect) and developer mode not working15:45
rigowhich in turn raises the question, how I return to PR 1.2 where those things have worked15:46
rigoI assume in the upgrade, things are left over, so PR 1.3 works while clean install doesn't15:46
rigoperhaps just missing an installation path. Is dev in the community rep? I don't have that linked anymore in current install15:48
paby the way, i have 2 n9, and on both i have 2g3g15:50
pabut while on one, pressing the icon cycles among 2g/3g/dual15:50
paon the other it goes only 2g/dual15:51
paany idea why?15:51
pabtw anybody using wazapp?15:51
* azeem does15:52
pawhat does the little red clock icon mean?15:52
pa(on messages)15:52
azeempa: message not yet received by recipient15:52
azeemyellow means received, but not read15:52
azeemgreen means read15:52
paah ok, thanks!15:52
panever used whatsapp before15:52
rigopa do you use the same image on both?15:53
pai was15:53
panow i am on pr1.3 on one15:53
pa(the one 2g/dual)15:53
pabehavior hasnt changed15:53
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DocScrutinizer05well, since 3G is priorized over 2G anyway, a plain 3G mode is rather silly15:55
payes i guess so, but still the different behavior makes me suspicious15:55
paazeem, do you know whether wazapp installs a daemon or not?16:00
pae.g., do i have to run it in order to get messages?16:00
azeemAIUI, you have to run it once after reboot16:00
azeemit doesn't load automatically I think16:00
paah ok, so it runs as daemon16:00
azeempa: but unless you quit it via menu -> quit, it will run in the background16:00
azeemi.e. quitting via swipe or task pane will keep it running16:01
panice design :)16:01
azeempa: however, especially in low power mode (?) I found that hitting the wazapp icon reloads the splash screen and likely the whole app16:01
azeemso the daemon seems to die sometimes, maybe it is just me16:01
azeemhaven't really investigated16:01
azeempa: I guess the design would be nicer if the whole thing was hooked into Accounts and Conversations16:02
paactually i dont mind some separation16:02
pai hate the n9 trying to merge my skype contacts all the time16:02
azeempa: then get an iPhone :P16:03
unreal-does anyone know how to stop the n9 nagging all the time when there's no data connection?16:13
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unreal-(aka when there is no 3G or wifi it keeps popping up the "connect to internet" dialog, like every 10 seconds...)16:13
njsfthis is probably some program you installed that *really* wants to be always connected16:15
njsfmine does not do that16:15
azeemunreal-: does it happen if you set your IM status to offline as well?16:15
pafor example sportstracker16:16
paits totally unusable coz of that16:16
unreal-i think it's the twitter app that does that in my case16:16
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njsfthe stock one does not seem to do that to me16:17
unreal-so yes, i could just close the twitter app, but seriously, why can't i just stop it from nagging?16:17
njsfthen again, I mostly just go by the home screen feed16:17
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njsfand it does not nag16:17
unreal-njsf: open the twitter app and tell me if it starts nagging16:19
azeemthe twitter app nags for me16:24
njsfhave it show the tweets on the home feed and close the app16:25
njsfand it will not nag16:25
azeemeh, sure16:25
njsfok I disabled all automatic network connections16:25
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njsfand the twitter app only asked to connect to the internet ONCE16:26
azeemnjsf: it keeps asking me16:26
azeemthough it could also be MfE, dunno16:26
njsfah very interesting16:26
njsfit starts asking IF it goes to the background16:26
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njsfbut NOT if it is in the foreground16:27
njsfeither close it when you don't have network16:27
njsfor always keep it on the foreground16:27
azeemnjsf: I think the point was that it's broken16:27
njsfor just have it feed in the home screen and not leave it open16:27
azeemI don't keep it around usually anyway16:27
njsfOh, I agree16:27
njsfI'm just trying to make life less miserable16:28
azeembut I agree the work-arounds are rather easy here16:28
njsfstock twitter app is broken in other ways too16:28
njsflike from home feed all too often it won't find the tweet you click16:28
njsfbut if you go back it is there on the list...16:28
azeemhaven't seen this16:29
azeembut I'm not a heavy twitter user16:29
njsfI see it probably 20% of the time16:29
njsfme neither16:29
njsfbut once in a while I get it16:29
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Lava_Croft20% of the time is a lot more than once in a while:)16:31
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azeemif you only ever tap on a twitter link every few days...16:32
xip22hi guys16:32
xip22im having an issue with skype account, cant login, says wrong password16:33
xip22nokia n9, fw 1.316:33
xip22it happened suddendly 2 days ago16:33
radiofreeis your password incorrect?16:33
xip22no its not16:33
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xip22i deleted the account, rebooted and tried to add it again16:33
xip22now it says "the account wont be saved216:34
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xip22still cant verify myself in skype16:34
xip22any idea ?16:34
xip22im going mad, i dont want to reflash this and lose all my apps :(16:35
xip22i even tried to create a new account16:36
xip22not working16:36
Lava_Croftthere are certain files you can delete to remove that shit16:36
Lava_Croftbut i dont know which16:36
Lava_Crofti also have no clue if it solves your problem, but its a more rigid way of deleting accounts16:36
Lava_Croftrigid is not the right word, but you get it16:37
xip22under /home/user/.accounts16:37
xip22theres the account.db16:37
xip22i tried deleting this16:37
xip22witch basically removes all the accounts16:37
xip22still cant sign in16:37
Lava_Croftvery silly question16:37
Lava_Croftcan you login from somewhere else16:37
xip22yep, sip works16:37
Lava_Croftdoes skype work on say, your PC16:37
Lava_Croftcan you login to it16:37
xip22ofc it does16:37
Lava_Croftthats why i said silly question16:37
xip22im logged in now16:37
xip22i did install 2 days ago extraplugins16:38
xip22the new version16:38
xip22do you think it may have broken skype ?16:38
xip22anyone else using it ?16:39
Lava_Croftlook on TMO?16:39
Lava_Croftiirc theres a thread about extra-accounts-plugins or whatever16:39
xip22ill take a look16:39
njsfsometimes account management does get some corruption and starts acting up16:40
xip22njsf:  : how to fix ?16:40
njsfI had that and fixed it but forgot16:41
njsfsearching for the bug in
rigodowngrade disallowed16:42
xip22nj you here ? :p16:46
njsfme ?16:46
njsfI can't find it anymore16:46
njsfI think I may have had to do a reflash16:48
xip22thats what i fear16:48
njsfbut that is a pain :/16:48
xip22holy shit16:48
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njsfare you comfortable editing sqlite db's ?16:49
njsfyou _might_ get around it by entering developer mode and fussing around the accounts database16:50
njsfyeah, I don't have step-by-step instructions either16:50
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njsfI have the same problem now with MeeIn16:50
njsfBut since I rarely use it, I don't mind it16:50
rigowhat are the dcp and vpl files for and the signature.bin files. Do I need all files to flash my phone to something else than the initial area?16:50
xip22whats meein ?16:51
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rigoa linkedin client16:52
xip22its quite frustrating, i use skype a lot16:52
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rigoxip22, delete your skype account, go to your homedir (user) and move .Skype out of the way (mv .Skype 120709-skype) , reboot, create a new account and try again16:55
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Xipp2guys i fucked up all my accounts18:57
Xipp2any help to solve the issue18:57
Xipp2is welcome18:57
Xipp2nokia n9 - pr 1.318:58
niwakamedefine "f**** up"18:58
Xipp2cant add any account18:58
Xipp2it started with skype, then i deleted all the accounts18:58
Xipp2and tried to red them18:58
Xipp2and it says "error unknown"18:58
Xipp2i just flashed the phone, i really woudlnt love to reflash it again18:59
Xipp2cant find any solution on TMO18:59
Xipp2cant add and log in on nokia account, gmail, skype etc etc18:59
Lava_Croftif you just flashed it, flashing it again doesnt seem to really matter18:59
niwakameaccounts are stored in mmc18:59
Xipp2Lava_Croft:  i spent like 3 hours redownloading all my apps18:59
Lava_Croftlet it download while you go to bed19:00
niwakameXipp2: you can only download them 5 times from ovi store19:00
niwakamekeep that in mind19:00
niwakameit doesn't work with all kinds of accounts?19:00
Xipp2no account work19:00
niwakameyou know how to use the terminal?19:01
Xipp2im a sysop actually19:01
niwakamethen fire that up and lets check19:01
Xipp2no syslog logging19:01
Xipp2where should i check19:01
Xipp2and what19:01
Xipp2i have terminals open in front of me19:01
niwakamecould you check the output of "mc-tool list"19:02
Xipp2ring/tel/ring mmscm/mms/mms019:02
niwakame(do not post here, contains sensitive data at some entries)19:02
niwakameno spirit/skype/<username> ?19:02
Xipp2theres no account19:03
Xipp2at all19:03
Xipp2as i said ive removed em all19:03
niwakameand now when you try to add it isn't working19:03
Xipp2it all started with skype saying that my password was wrong19:04
Xipp2then i tried to remove all19:04
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Xipp2and now im at this point19:04
niwakameI have to check the location of the DB file, wait a moment pls19:04
Xipp2i believe the db to be under /home/user/.accounts19:04
Xipp2but thats not all19:04
Xipp2removing it wont fix19:04
niwakamedid you remove the .bak file also?19:05
niwakame(or moving it outside of the directory)19:05
Xipp2no i didnt19:05
niwakameok, could you check the size of both files?19:05
niwakamedo a ls -lisah19:06
Xipp2-rw-r--r--    1 user     users        29696 Jul  4 11:30 accounts.db.bak19:06
Xipp2-rw-r--r--    1 user     users        14336 Jul  9 17:18 accounts.db19:06
Xipp2let me try renaming the dir19:06
Xipp2and rebooting19:06
niwakamedo a19:07
niwakamemkdir /home/user/.accounts/backup19:07
niwakameand then move the files there19:07
Xipp2its the same19:07
niwakamenot if the directory has special permissions / the dev forgot to implement a directory creation process19:07
niwakameand I'm betting on the 2nd case here :P19:08
Xipp2did it19:08
Xipp2reboot time ?19:08
niwakamedo a mc-tool list first19:08
Xipp2same output as before19:08
niwakameok, if it now isn't booting anymore, it's not my fault ;P19:08
niwakamebut try19:08
niwakameIf everything fails, you have to flash mmc anyways19:09
Xipp2i hardly see how it couldnt boot with the account db being moved19:09
Xipp2ill take the risk19:09
niwakameyeah, shouldn't happen19:09
niwakamethere was also a way to access the db with an sqlite3 executable19:10
Xipp2assuming those were the db files19:10
niwakamethey should be19:11
Xipp2im looking for19:11
Xipp2i think theres somewhere else19:11
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niwakamewell, there's the signon part19:12
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niwakamebut you can't access it19:12
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Xipp2_ok its me again19:13
niwakameoh dropped19:13
Xipp2_phone booted19:13
Xipp2_ill try connecting via ssh to check for db files being created a new19:13
niwakamecheck if the files are there19:13
Xipp2_ok they were19:13
niwakamethen try to add skype19:13
niwakame(it should show up in mc-tool list)19:13
Xipp2_ill try with nokia account first19:14
Xipp2_unknown error :p19:14
niwakametry skype please19:14
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niwakamethey are added a bit different19:15
niwakameok that's bad19:15
Xipp2_"the account wont be saved" msg19:15
Xipp2_cant add19:15
niwakamecould you check the output of dmesg ?19:15
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niwakame2nd thing would be a tail -f /var/log/syslog19:16
niwakametail /var/log/syslog19:16
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xipp2again me19:17
xipp2in dmesg theres nothing relevant19:18
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niwakametail /var/log/syslog19:18
xipp2in syslog nothing is being logged19:18
xipp2plz help :(19:19
niwakamethen it seems your signon db or file system is flawed19:19
niwakameat least my guess here19:19
xipp2signondb someone else already19:19
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xipp2pointed it out19:19
xipp2but seems like i need inception to fix it19:19
niwakameproblem is, that you can't access it19:19
niwakameit's protected by aegis-fs19:20
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xipp2how to fix ? imma get inception right now19:20
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xipp2whatever ill check later imma go home now19:21
niwakameyeah ok19:21
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niwakamebah, now I need to do a HMAC-SHA1 encoding19:23
niwakameitsnotabigtruck: could you send me the url of your repository for the oauth packages?19:24
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niwakameitsnotabigtruck: nevermind19:31
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NamekHi, I'm trying to make a daemon that has a DB and also a DBus interface, no problem with coding that, if I use the autogenerated aegis file everything works well but my daemon is launched as nobody so I can't write onto the DB, I modified the aegis file to run the app as user but now I can't register the dbus interface, can someone help me please20:09
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thpNamek: you might have to source the profile file20:39
thpNamek: in the upstart file, have an exec line like this: "exec /usr/bin/aegis-exec -s -u user /bin/sh -c "source /etc/profile && exec /path/to/your/binary""20:40
Namekthp: Thank you so much I will try that20:42
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jonniNamek: or pastebin you aegis file, maybe your dbus interface definition is buggy somehow?21:43
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jesuschrist^hey all21:45
Namekjonni: I'm at work now, I didn't bring my source, but thanks I will try what thp said and if that doesn't work I will ask for your help again :)21:45
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jonnidbus interface aegis examples in here
jesuschrist^jonni woudl you please give me the command to fix the signondb again please ?21:54
jesuschrist^i was at work before21:54
Namekjonni: I have read that and I was following it but it doesn't work, maybe I have something wrong in my aegis file I will post it as soon as I can, thanks again :)21:55
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jesuschrist^guys if i remove signon.db from the /home/user22:10
jesuschrist^since there are strong suspects its corrupt22:10
jesuschrist^would i brick my n9 ?22:11
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ladogaKozzi: rtmpdump compiles fine in scratchbox without any voodoo22:36
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ladogatho it makes libs and stuff so would be good to package it...atleast to make install and removal straightforward22:40
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mankeliitsnotabigtruck: seems to down :(23:02
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khertanHello !23:28
khertanDoes someone can say me if pr1.3 contain an updated pyside package ?23:28
khertandidn't have an n9 :)23:29
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thpkhertan: python-pyside is 1.0.7-1maemo2+0m623:38
khertanthp: thx23:38
khertani ll try to get it from 001 repository to see if the bug making segfault in KhtEditor is fixed, thx23:39
khertandamn, same bugged version than pr1.223:43
khertanthx thp23:43
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khertanthp: did you know if it s possible to provide an updated package from community cobs ? as it s protected by aegis ?23:44
thpkhertan: you could use inception to replace the package afaiui23:46
khertanthp: yeah of course, but not really something i can ask to an end user23:46
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thpkhertan: indeed :/23:54
khertandid you know any way to discover what can leak battery when device idle ?23:56
khertanidle avg consumption 131mA23:56
khertanlike when powered23:56
khertana bit too much23:57
khertanonly 2 or 3 hours of battery in idle23:57
jesuschrist^do you have uptimer installed khertan ?23:57
khertannope, what is it ?23:57
jesuschrist^fine, battery icon ?23:57
jesuschrist^any other app with some daemon running background ?23:58
jesuschrist^email push ?23:58
khertanexcept exchange running (every hour) ... profilomatic ... MeeCast (every 4 hours)23:59

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