IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-07-09

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rigo	when switching to developer mode, it says installation package not found :(	00:00
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DocScrutinizer05	pa: can't be true	01:47
DocScrutinizer05	pa: afaik industry fails to build modems that use less than 3mA (not mW) in idle registered mode	01:48
DocScrutinizer05	and that's for modem only	01:48
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jonni	my PR1-3 normal low powerscreen consumption is about 6-8mA, and 24mA if my wifi is on.	01:54
jonni	altough if cpu load is low I can have ssh session over wifi and only 9mA is consumed, so consuption varies quite much depending on cpu load. and ofource my low powerscreen script generates the picture once a minute, so I could make the consumption even smaller by not updating so often.	02:01
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ZogG_laptop	is it me or apps4meego is down?	02:25
jonni	yep, its down	02:26
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ZogG_laptop	jonni, any ideas or info?	02:28
jonni	no info	02:28
ZogG_laptop	=\	02:28
ZogG_laptop	it's scary world today	02:29
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DocScrutinizer05	jonni: which tool do you use to read out system power consumption?	02:35
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rzr	ZogG, why scary world today ?	03:15
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rzr	i confirm it's scary my E7 broke	03:22
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RST38h	rzr: What did you do with it? It is made of metal!	03:38
* RST38h takes out his E7, strokes its smooth cold aluminium body, smiles suggestively		03:39
rzr	RST38h, http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/E7-Screen-and-keyboard-not-responding-but-buttons-are-so/td-p/1496416	03:40
RST38h	oh.trouble.	03:42
rzr	so hw or sw ?	03:43
RST38h	I would guess hw	03:43
RST38h	Too specific for sw	03:43
rzr	more details :	03:44
rzr	http://rzr.online.fr/q/symbian# My #nokia #E7 is stuck on “Security code:” screen : touchscreen and keyboard are not responsible	03:44
RST38h	Pull the SIM card out, reboot	03:44
rzr	i did this in loop during a couple of hours	03:45
rzr	i've been doing this	03:45
rzr	please fix my English ;)	03:45
rzr	too	03:45
rzr	the world is b0rken too	03:45
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Juks	Hi, I'm trying to use a Sheet element and sometimes when it closes (accept or reject) part of it remains on the scren, if I rotate it dissapear so it's something like the screen is not refreshing any advice?	04:08
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Tronic	"Jos joku on työskennellyt tuon Intel-MeeGo-laitteen (Lauta) parissa niin tarinaa siitä olisi tervetullutta. Täydennystä voi laittaa tulemaan myös aiheista: Columbus, eColumbus, Columbus II, DirectUI, Harmattan UI Simplification, Senna, Ilmatar sekä tietysti MeeGon alasajosta ja Windows Phoneen siirtymisestä."	04:46
Tronic	Sampsa Kurri is requesting more information on those topics (from former or current Nokia insiders).	04:46
Tronic	Mail sampsa.kurri@muropaketti.com in you want to contribute to his upcoming article on MeeGo. Sources will remain anonymous.	04:47
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jonni	DocScrutinizer05: I use bmestat	10:40
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rigo	flashed my N9 to PR1.3 and now the 3G data connection doesn't work anymore. I also have trouble putting it into developer mode as it can't find the packages (over the wifi connection). Is this a known problem or is it just me having messed up my phone?	11:08
denism	rigo: 3G - no such problem, regarding to dev.mode - do not know	11:10
jonni	rigo: most likely you just have messed up, since dev mode should install over wifi just fine, sounds like you need to reflash.	11:14
rigo	jonni, it happend after I flashed it. my PR 1.2 installation was working	11:15
beford	i've just enabled dev mode and it worked	11:16
beford	pr13	11:16
jonni	rigo: and you flashed emmc at the same time as main image?	11:17
jonni	(if you didnt then that can explain your problems)	11:18
rigo	which image do you have? Looks I got a bogus one. I did this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693	11:18
rigo	and flashed with DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin	11:19
denism	rigo: you have to flash eMMC image also	11:19
denism	"Additionally, there is a content image ("eMMC image") " - from that page	11:19
jonni	yes thats the right main image, but in addition to that you also need to flash the emmc	11:19
rigo	ah, I thought I could keep my user data	11:20
rigo	ok, will do	11:20
jonni	if you do ssu, then you usually can keep the user data, but with flasher its better to flash emmc at same time.	11:20
jonni	(when your switching from pr1.2 to pr1.3, you dont need to reflash emmc if you do pr1.3 to pr1.3)	11:21
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pa	by the way	11:33
pa	i finished to check	11:33
pa	so now radio 2g + standby: 7mA	11:33
pa	w. PR1.2: 4mA	11:33
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pa	has anybody who reflashed checked this?	11:34
aparaatti	anyone can point me where to get gnu-screen for n9?	11:34
pa	i updated ota	11:34
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pa	(and i use battery usage)	11:37
pa	if i have to reflash, it will be a nightmare to reinstall everything	11:37
rigo	pa, I'm there.	11:41
pa	rigo: u reflashed and you use battery usage?	11:42
pa	how much does your n9 drink, in standby?	11:42
rigo	I reflashed and I lost everything and I also had a complex setup	11:42
pa	ah ok.. if you check the power consumption, pls let me know	11:43
pa	:)	11:43
rigo	pa, perhaps to monitor how much it drinks. It mainly depends on how good the signal is	11:43
rigo	if I'm next to the wifi, it holds for 2 days	11:43
rigo	if I'm GSM only, no data, it also holds for pretty long time	11:44
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rigo	if in some remote area with one bar on GSM reception and data usage, its 12hours max	11:44
pa	well, as i wrote be4, same condition, PR1.2 4mA, PR1.3 7mA	11:45
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rigo	another interesting consequence of reflash is that you lose your apps, even the paid ones	11:45
pa	yes..	11:45
pa	but isnt there a way to save the deb once you install them the first time?	11:46
pa	there should be a couple of ways to do that	11:46
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rigo	but as you have acquired a right and not a thing, they should give it to you for free or at least give you backup -debs to re-install. Something to keep in mind for jolla as this will make the distrib superior to others	11:46
pa	rigo, actually do you know what's jolla plans? i read they plan to make phones	11:47
rigo	pa, that should be the default to save the debs, but not in phone space	11:47
rigo	pa, that's what I read in their press release	11:47
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pa	rigo, iirc, with apt-something you should be able to get the deb back	11:47
rigo	they said they will bring out a phone in Nov/Dec	11:47
pa	so they wont create anything for n9, right?	11:48
rigo	pa, don't know, perhaps create a thing better than N9	11:48
denism	pa: yes, they do not work for Nokia (like N9)	11:48
pa	well yes sure, but n9 is nice, it would be bad to trash it already	11:48
rigo	pa, I don't want a quad-core 3kg battery super computer phone... :-/	11:49
pa	denism, it would be nice if they could separate OS and hardware	11:49
pa	and produce hardware compatible with their OS	11:49
pa	which could, however, be installed on other phones too	11:49
rigo	pa, I had my P910 for 5 years and I only changed because it had no WIFI	11:49
rigo	I don't plan to change the N9 soon	11:49
pa	i would pay for a meltemi for n9	11:50
pa	(means maemo next)	11:50
rigo	but I think there is a low hanging fruit to take over the app-stores for N9 and N900	11:50
* rigo is clueless about meltemi, pointer?		11:51
rigo	pa, look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=4f1f48cee7c78d090145ff9b15bbb1c5&t=85225&page=148	11:52
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pa	thanks	11:58
pa	he has the same problem	11:58
pa	so it was not just me dreaming :)	11:58
denism	pa: seems he is using a lot of additional apps, it might be a reason	11:58
jonni	aparaatti: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/djszapi/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan/armel/screen_4.0.3-14_armel.deb	12:08
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aparaatti	jonni: thank you very much	12:14
pa	its amazing to read of people having 15-17mA idle consumption with no apps running in background	12:20
denism	hmm, interesting, I have checked my battery usage stats (PR1.3 by SSU) and it says 11mA as average idle consumption. No open apps, but WiFi + 2 email accounts, twitter + skype + gtalk	12:23
pa	skype is a killer	12:24
pa	to test, you should probably turn off wifi, and your google + email + twitter + skype accounts	12:24
denism	perhaps later today	12:25
DocScrutinizer05	pa: GSM is pretty unpredictable regarding standby power. To make sure you got same RF network conditions you basically need a lab with something like CMU200 GSM tester	12:25
pa	but in the uber discussion thread i see many complaining of more battery drained	12:25
pa	DocScrutinizer, i tested also with radio off	12:25
macmaN	jonni: screen? i thought tmux stomped it with a big dinosaur foot for almost any and all purposes	12:25
pa	5mA vs 3mA	12:25
DocScrutinizer05	now that's way better	12:25
macmaN	who would ever want to use screen again, i wonder	12:25
jonni	macmaN: I've gotten used to screen shortcuts because of 10+ years of usage :)	12:26
macmaN	jonni: right. i also mapped ctrl+a in tmux :>	12:26
macmaN	ill give you that	12:26
pa	there was some nice page with a list of them, i remember	12:26
pa	probably i even have it bookmarked	12:26
macmaN	but that ended up being all i needed	12:26
pa	i guess you need screen on n9 coz you can have only one terminal running	12:27
pa	(2, if you use mtermite)	12:27
pa	never tried tmux, good hint :)	12:29
macmaN	here's another good hint	12:29
macmaN	hut/ranger for file manager	12:29
macmaN	first of all it looks awesome in task switcher	12:30
pa	cool, thanks! but im not sure im ready to leave mc yet :)	12:31
macmaN	mc will look like elephant in a porcelain shop after youve gotten used to ranger	12:31
pa	right.. i can try :)	12:32
macmaN	vim skill is needed tho :>	12:32
macmaN	to enjoy default keybindings	12:32
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aparaatti	jonni: the deb says Asennus paketti ei kelpaa (??)	12:34
jonni	aparaatti: file size? and did you try to install it with dpkg or pkgmgr?	12:35
aparaatti	jonni: I just double clicked from file box... so dpkg should work?	12:35
jonni	aparaatti: if it has some uninstalled depency then dpkg will not work and you need to use pkgmgr	12:36
jonni	(as pkgmgr also installs the depencies)	12:37
jonni	pkgmgr install-file -f screen_4.0.3-14_armel.deb	12:38
ZogG_laptop	Kozzi, ping	12:39
ZogG_laptop	lbt, X-Fade ping	12:40
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: What's up?	12:40
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade, hey sup	12:42
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade, appsmeego was down yesterday, just checked it's ok	12:43
ZogG_laptop	and i found small bug	12:43
ZogG_laptop	review changing gives error	12:43
ZogG_laptop	=\	12:44
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade, ^	12:44
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: Yeah, the server was down. I fixed that.	12:45
ZogG_laptop	good	12:45
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade, and about review changing?	12:45
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: Not sure if that is even supported :)	12:46
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aparaatti	jonni: size: 600.35 kB ... it complains that "Package 'screen' version '4.0.3-14' is not user package"	12:46
aparaatti	jonni: tried to install as root and user	12:46
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade, it is - you go to app in web, log in, change and have save or similuar button but than you get server error msg	12:47
jonni	aparaatti: and if you do dpkg -i as root it still fails?	12:47
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ZogG_laptop	X-Fade, it says "push method is not allowed", my friend didn't mark " Should the application be in this application catalog?" and coz of it my app is in testing with even 6 positive reviews =)	12:49
aparaatti	jonni: ok now it installed, but dpkg complained about not being able to change ownership of /var/run/screen	12:49
X-Fade	ZogG_laptop: Yeah, I guess that part isn't implemented yet.	12:49
jonni	aparaatti: maybe you installed it as root, and not as devel-sh root (which has the chown capa)	12:50
jonni	aparaatti: devel-su; develsh; dpkg -i	12:50
aparaatti	jonni: I changed it by hand and now it works...	12:51
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aparaatti	jonni: yes I was root	12:51
ZogG_laptop	root is for weak =)	12:51
aparaatti	ZogG_laptop: root is root and frameworks vary	12:52
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aparaatti	so what's the difference?	12:53
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aparaatti	but now it works, thanks for help :)	12:55
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ZogG_laptop	aparaatti, use tmux =)	12:56
aparaatti	lol	12:57
aparaatti	so develsh is even rooter than root?	12:57
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rigo	jonni, still have the failure to download developer-mode	13:02
rigo	and still can't connect to the 3G network	13:03
jonni	rigo: and you are sure that you have setup your clock/date to be correct?	13:03
rigo	rats!	13:03
rigo	isn't the thing supposed to get the right date and time from the GSM network?	13:04
jonni	rigo: only if you enable that in the settings	13:05
rigo	it actually has the right time	13:05
rigo	looks like there are settings left from the old install	13:05
jonni	there has been some cases that user has put 2011 as year instead of 2012. which will make developer mode download to fail.	13:06
trx	i rewrote rdesktop to use QML and it works on Harmattan, since this is my first c++ only project, is anyone interested to check the code for leaks, etc ? Its just one .cpp/.h	13:06
rigo	I've done flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --flash-only=emmc like in the description of itsnotabigtruck	13:07
rigo	should I do something more brutal?	13:07
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jonni	rigo: "flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin" or "flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure" if you want to be brutal.	13:08
jonni	secure erase should bring your device to factory condition, it things fail after that one, then its nokia care time	13:10
jonni	now I installed tmux to my N9, so I can compare if I'll stop using screen....	13:12
ZogG_laptop	jonni, i find it hard to use those apps without hw keyboard =(	13:13
jonni	through ssh wifi connection from your pc :)	13:13
jonni	or fingerterm (has transparent vkb)	13:13
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aparaatti	i like the fingerterm	13:13
ZogG_laptop	i like it and use it too	13:14
ZogG_laptop	btw is there way to scroll up there?	13:14
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Lava_Croft	fingerterm?	13:16
Lava_Croft	gestures maybe, for scrolling	13:16
jonni	quick compare on tmux vs screen, is that tmux seems to be lacking the scrollmode like ctrl-a-escape that screen has.	13:17
jonni	tmux copy-mode is kinda hack to scroll the history	13:17
aparaatti	isn't tmux for dividing one screen to different areas? Or there is tabs too...	13:18
jonni	it has tabs	13:18
Lava_Croft	screen can do splitscreen too	13:19
Lava_Croft	iirc	13:19
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hahlo	that remains me, where I could get screen to N9?	13:25
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Lava_Croft	try apt-get install screen?	13:32
SpeedEvil	Isn't it in devtools?	13:33
hahlo	ok thanks didn't find it when tried apt-cache search screen	13:35
ZogG_laptop	hahlo, read to log above it has link	13:39
rigo	jonni, after factory reset it says installation package not found for developer-mode	13:39
ZogG_laptop	rigo, wierd	13:40
rigo	did flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin" or "flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure	13:40
rigo	can it be that I took the wrong images and have simlocked my simlockless phone? Phoning actually works	13:41
rigo	and 3G data connection worked in PR 1.2	13:41
rigo	should I do a phone reset as in settings /reset?	13:42
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hahlo	ZogG_laptop: found it thanks, does it run in pr1.3 too and as a user?	13:49
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ZogG_laptop	hahlo, it should run as user and i think yes as jonni said above	13:56
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xpp1	hi guys	13:56
xpp1	i'm having probs since 2 days	13:56
xpp1	i cant login anymore to my skype account	13:56
xpp1	it says "wrong password"	13:57
xpp1	yet its correct	13:57
hahlo	ZogG_laptop: ok thanks again	13:57
xpp1	anyone else experienced this issue ?	13:57
ZogG_laptop	tried re-adding ?	13:58
rigo	not here, but I had things when I consistently mistyped things	13:58
rigo	does your skype account work from another computer?	13:59
xpp1	ofc	13:59
xpp1	it works	13:59
xpp1	and	13:59
xpp1	it worked till 2 days ago!!!	13:59
xpp1	i didnt change password or anything	13:59
pa	is pr1.3 001 available on navifirm? cant find it..	13:59
xpp1	bad thing the skype plugin doesnt log anything, i see no messages in syslog	13:59
pa	J1Z5	14:00
xpp1	i cant even create a new account anyway	14:00
xpp1	:\	14:00
xpp1	sip works, ovi store works, everything ok exept skype	14:00
rigo	pa, just flashed it on my phone and got lots of problems	14:02
rigo	itsnotabigtruck has it in his description: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693	14:03
pa	rigo, you mean pr1.3 001?	14:03
rigo	40.2012.21.3	14:03
pa	yeah	14:03
pa	which one is it the 001?	14:03
rigo	I have found it for my Austria-phone	14:03
* rigo is not sitting in Austria, just had the phone with code from Austria		14:04
pa	ah ok, so you dont have the generic one	14:04
ZogG_laptop	xpp1, delete, reboot, add again	14:04
xpp1	delete what zogg ?	14:05
xpp1	the account ?	14:05
xpp1	did it	14:05
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xpp1	bbl later	14:06
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phako	Do you also see issues with the unread mail display not working in PR1.3?	14:08
rigo	perhaps I should flash with the generic image then	14:08
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rigo	no generic image	14:27
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rigo	can't install fingerterm, can't trace dependencies	14:36
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ArkanoiD_	rumors say there won't be 1.3 for n950 at all?	14:46
hahlo	screen say:"Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 777."	14:47
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alterego	ArkanoiD_: looks that way.	15:06
ArkanoiD_	alterego, then we need a reliable step-by-step instruction (or better, a script) to make frankensteinian update from n9 images :-)	15:07
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alterego	Well, you might :P	15:11
alterego	I don't run Harmattan on my N950 :)	15:11
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pa	elop is so lame	15:22
pa	and besides everything, was n9 generating profits or not?	15:23
pa	if yes, shutting down (not selling) the division is being braindead, or steered by someone else	15:23
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chem\|st	pa: as it was better selling than lumias I guess it was generating profit, if you know maemo history you start to believe that elop is on a personal vengeance tour here to destroy someones work who pissed him off 10 years ago...	15:24
pa	what did maemo do to elop 10 years ago?	15:26
lildeimos	a tweet of @ggreve: "Elop nominated for "criminally worst CEO ever" - have to agree: http://is.gd/cq337k" :)	15:26
pa	i suspect it was rather hidden in the microsoft agreement	15:26
ArkanoiD_	lildeimos, i'd vote for Robert Palmer	15:28
alterego	For a long time, N9 was a lot more successful than the Lumia	15:28
alterego	It sold more than the Lumia 800s and 710s up until a couple of months ago I believe.	15:29
alterego	May still be selling more for all I know ^.^	15:29
thp	alterego: so what do you run on your n950 if not harmattan?	15:31
alterego	Mer/Nemo	15:32
alterego	Depends what I'm working on.	15:32
thp	that's good :) still a bit too kludgy for me the last time i tested it, though :/	15:32
alterego	Well, that's what I'm going to try and refine ;)	15:34
DocScrutinizer05	-altyou're giving me ideas :-)	15:34
DocScrutinizer05	alterego: ^^^	15:34
alterego	DocScrutinizer05: oh yes? :)	15:35
alterego	DocScrutinizer05: pray tell :)	15:37
lildeimos	alterego: not GPL thoughts :)	15:38
alterego	lol	15:39
alterego	I wouldn't thought DocScrutinizer05 would be capable of anything non GPL :)	15:39
DocScrutinizer05	I just thought of putting this aegis-coffin to a decent purpose	15:39
alterego	Ah, cool.	15:40
pa	exactly. so if a division is generating profit, why would a company ever shut it down? I mean, i would understand selling it, but shutting it down..	15:40
alterego	Is it a cure for the aegis?	15:40
alterego	pa: because Elop isn't interested in success, he wants a Microsoft Phone factory.	15:40
SpeedEvil	pa: Because they can then sell the assets, and generate cash to stop the comany as a whole tanking.	15:40
DocScrutinizer05	http://live.wsj.com/video/nokia-lumia-wont-get-windows-8-phone-upgrade/5B466331-923A-4A8C-A4B7-0B9AC76408F8.html?mod=wsj_blog_tboleft#!5B466331-923A-4A8C-A4B7-0B9AC76408F8	15:41
SpeedEvil	pa: Or because you believe that the capital freed by stopping doing something can be better invested in something else that will lead to better profit in the future.	15:41
rigo	ok, perhaps of the current online, someone can help. I re-flashed my N9 with PR 1.3 by doing flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin" or "flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure with the binaries for 059JV4 (Austria) and it continues to not be able to connect to 3G and also says "instalation package not found" when I try to install developer mode	15:41
rigo	I have a dark recollection that developer mode only installed over 3G and not over wifi	15:42
rigo	ovi store works with hickups. Certain packages work, others don't work	15:43
alterego	rigo: not true, works fine on any network connection	15:43
rigo	ok, so i have 2 issues (probably related) that I can't connect to 3G (just saying can't connect) and developer mode not working	15:45
rigo	which in turn raises the question, how I return to PR 1.2 where those things have worked	15:46
rigo	I assume in the upgrade, things are left over, so PR 1.3 works while clean install doesn't	15:46
rigo	perhaps just missing an installation path. Is dev in the community rep? I don't have that linked anymore in current install	15:48
pa	by the way, i have 2 n9, and on both i have 2g3g	15:50
pa	but while on one, pressing the icon cycles among 2g/3g/dual	15:50
pa	on the other it goes only 2g/dual	15:51
pa	any idea why?	15:51
pa	btw anybody using wazapp?	15:51
* azeem does		15:52
pa	what does the little red clock icon mean?	15:52
pa	(on messages)	15:52
azeem	pa: message not yet received by recipient	15:52
azeem	yellow means received, but not read	15:52
azeem	green means read	15:52
pa	ah ok, thanks!	15:52
pa	never used whatsapp before	15:52
pa	:)	15:52
rigo	pa do you use the same image on both?	15:53
pa	i was	15:53
pa	now i am on pr1.3 on one	15:53
pa	(the one 2g/dual)	15:53
pa	behavior hasnt changed	15:53
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DocScrutinizer05	well, since 3G is priorized over 2G anyway, a plain 3G mode is rather silly	15:55
pa	yes i guess so, but still the different behavior makes me suspicious	15:55
pa	azeem, do you know whether wazapp installs a daemon or not?	16:00
pa	e.g., do i have to run it in order to get messages?	16:00
azeem	well	16:00
azeem	AIUI, you have to run it once after reboot	16:00
azeem	it doesn't load automatically I think	16:00
pa	ah ok, so it runs as daemon	16:00
azeem	pa: but unless you quit it via menu -> quit, it will run in the background	16:00
azeem	i.e. quitting via swipe or task pane will keep it running	16:01
pa	nice design :)	16:01
pa	thanks!	16:01
azeem	pa: however, especially in low power mode (?) I found that hitting the wazapp icon reloads the splash screen and likely the whole app	16:01
azeem	so the daemon seems to die sometimes, maybe it is just me	16:01
azeem	haven't really investigated	16:01
azeem	pa: I guess the design would be nicer if the whole thing was hooked into Accounts and Conversations	16:02
pa	actually i dont mind some separation	16:02
pa	i hate the n9 trying to merge my skype contacts all the time	16:02
azeem	pa: then get an iPhone :P	16:03
pa	:p	16:05
unreal-	hello	16:12
unreal-	does anyone know how to stop the n9 nagging all the time when there's no data connection?	16:13
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unreal-	(aka when there is no 3G or wifi it keeps popping up the "connect to internet" dialog, like every 10 seconds...)	16:13
pa	no	16:14
njsf	this is probably some program you installed that really wants to be always connected	16:15
njsf	mine does not do that	16:15
azeem	unreal-: does it happen if you set your IM status to offline as well?	16:15
unreal-	yes	16:15
pa	for example sportstracker	16:16
pa	its totally unusable coz of that	16:16
unreal-	i think it's the twitter app that does that in my case	16:16
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njsf	the stock one does not seem to do that to me	16:17
unreal-	so yes, i could just close the twitter app, but seriously, why can't i just stop it from nagging?	16:17
njsf	then again, I mostly just go by the home screen feed	16:17
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njsf	and it does not nag	16:17
unreal-	njsf: open the twitter app and tell me if it starts nagging	16:19
azeem	the twitter app nags for me	16:24
njsf	have it show the tweets on the home feed and close the app	16:25
njsf	and it will not nag	16:25
azeem	eh, sure	16:25
njsf	ok I disabled all automatic network connections	16:25
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njsf	and the twitter app only asked to connect to the internet ONCE	16:26
azeem	njsf: it keeps asking me	16:26
azeem	though it could also be MfE, dunno	16:26
njsf	ah very interesting	16:26
njsf	it starts asking IF it goes to the background	16:26
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njsf	but NOT if it is in the foreground	16:27
njsf	so...	16:27
njsf	either close it when you don't have network	16:27
njsf	or always keep it on the foreground	16:27
azeem	njsf: I think the point was that it's broken	16:27
njsf	or just have it feed in the home screen and not leave it open	16:27
azeem	I don't keep it around usually anyway	16:27
njsf	Oh, I agree	16:27
njsf	I'm just trying to make life less miserable	16:28
azeem	but I agree the work-arounds are rather easy here	16:28
njsf	stock twitter app is broken in other ways too	16:28
njsf	like from home feed all too often it won't find the tweet you click	16:28
njsf	but if you go back it is there on the list...	16:28
azeem	haven't seen this	16:29
azeem	but I'm not a heavy twitter user	16:29
njsf	I see it probably 20% of the time	16:29
njsf	me neither	16:29
njsf	but once in a while I get it	16:29
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Lava_Croft	20% of the time is a lot more than once in a while:)	16:31
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azeem	if you only ever tap on a twitter link every few days...	16:32
xip22	hi guys	16:32
xip22	im having an issue with skype account, cant login, says wrong password	16:33
xip22	nokia n9, fw 1.3	16:33
xip22	it happened suddendly 2 days ago	16:33
radiofree	is your password incorrect?	16:33
xip22	no its not	16:33
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xip22	i deleted the account, rebooted and tried to add it again	16:33
xip22	now it says "the account wont be saved2	16:34
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xip22	still cant verify myself in skype	16:34
xip22	any idea ?	16:34
xip22	im going mad, i dont want to reflash this and lose all my apps :(	16:35
xip22	i even tried to create a new account	16:36
xip22	not working	16:36
Lava_Croft	there are certain files you can delete to remove that shit	16:36
Lava_Croft	but i dont know which	16:36
Lava_Croft	i also have no clue if it solves your problem, but its a more rigid way of deleting accounts	16:36
Lava_Croft	rigid is not the right word, but you get it	16:37
xip22	under /home/user/.accounts	16:37
xip22	theres the account.db	16:37
xip22	i tried deleting this	16:37
xip22	witch basically removes all the accounts	16:37
xip22	still cant sign in	16:37
Lava_Croft	very silly question	16:37
Lava_Croft	can you login from somewhere else	16:37
xip22	yep, sip works	16:37
Lava_Croft	does skype work on say, your PC	16:37
Lava_Croft	can you login to it	16:37
xip22	ofc it does	16:37
xip22	yep	16:37
Lava_Croft	thats why i said silly question	16:37
xip22	im logged in now	16:37
Lava_Croft	:P	16:37
xip22	i did install 2 days ago extraplugins	16:38
xip22	the new version	16:38
xip22	do you think it may have broken skype ?	16:38
xip22	anyone else using it ?	16:39
Lava_Croft	look on TMO?	16:39
Lava_Croft	iirc theres a thread about extra-accounts-plugins or whatever	16:39
xip22	ill take a look	16:39
njsf	sometimes account management does get some corruption and starts acting up	16:40
xip22	njsf: : how to fix ?	16:40
njsf	I had that and fixed it but forgot	16:41
njsf	searching for the bug in harmattan-bugs.nokia.com	16:41
xip22	ty	16:41
rigo	downgrade disallowed	16:42
xip22	nj you here ? :p	16:46
njsf	me ?	16:46
njsf	I can't find it anymore	16:46
njsf	I think I may have had to do a reflash	16:48
xip22	thats what i fear	16:48
njsf	but that is a pain :/	16:48
xip22	holy shit	16:48
xip22	:(	16:48
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njsf	are you comfortable editing sqlite db's ?	16:49
xip22	no	16:50
njsf	you _might_ get around it by entering developer mode and fussing around the accounts database	16:50
njsf	yeah, I don't have step-by-step instructions either	16:50
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njsf	I have the same problem now with MeeIn	16:50
xip22	:\|	16:50
njsf	But since I rarely use it, I don't mind it	16:50
rigo	what are the dcp and vpl files for and the signature.bin files. Do I need all files to flash my phone to something else than the initial area?	16:50
xip22	whats meein ?	16:51
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rigo	a linkedin client	16:52
xip22	its quite frustrating, i use skype a lot	16:52
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rigo	xip22, delete your skype account, go to your homedir (user) and move .Skype out of the way (mv .Skype 120709-skype) , reboot, create a new account and try again	16:55
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Xipp2	guys i fucked up all my accounts	18:57
Xipp2	any help to solve the issue	18:57
Xipp2	is welcome	18:57
Xipp2	nokia n9 - pr 1.3	18:58
niwakame	define "f**** up"	18:58
Xipp2	cant add any account	18:58
Xipp2	it started with skype, then i deleted all the accounts	18:58
Xipp2	and tried to red them	18:58
Xipp2	and it says "error unknown"	18:58
Xipp2	*readd	18:58
Xipp2	i just flashed the phone, i really woudlnt love to reflash it again	18:59
Xipp2	cant find any solution on TMO	18:59
Xipp2	cant add and log in on nokia account, gmail, skype etc etc	18:59
Lava_Croft	if you just flashed it, flashing it again doesnt seem to really matter	18:59
niwakame	accounts are stored in mmc	18:59
Xipp2	Lava_Croft: i spent like 3 hours redownloading all my apps	18:59
Lava_Croft	let it download while you go to bed	19:00
niwakame	Xipp2: you can only download them 5 times from ovi store	19:00
niwakame	keep that in mind	19:00
Xipp2	yeah...	19:00
niwakame	ok	19:00
niwakame	it doesn't work with all kinds of accounts?	19:00
Xipp2	no account work	19:00
niwakame	you know how to use the terminal?	19:01
Xipp2	yeah	19:01
Xipp2	im a sysop actually	19:01
niwakame	then fire that up and lets check	19:01
Xipp2	no syslog logging	19:01
Xipp2	where should i check	19:01
Xipp2	and what	19:01
Xipp2	i have terminals open in front of me	19:01
niwakame	could you check the output of "mc-tool list"	19:02
Xipp2	ring/tel/ring mmscm/mms/mms0	19:02
niwakame	(do not post here, contains sensitive data at some entries)	19:02
niwakame	no spirit/skype/<username> ?	19:02
Xipp2	theres no account	19:03
Xipp2	at all	19:03
niwakame	kk	19:03
Xipp2	as i said ive removed em all	19:03
niwakame	and now when you try to add it isn't working	19:03
Xipp2	yeah	19:03
niwakame	kay	19:03
Xipp2	it all started with skype saying that my password was wrong	19:04
Xipp2	then i tried to remove all	19:04
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Xipp2	and now im at this point	19:04
niwakame	I have to check the location of the DB file, wait a moment pls	19:04
Xipp2	i believe the db to be under /home/user/.accounts	19:04
Xipp2	but thats not all	19:04
Xipp2	removing it wont fix	19:04
niwakame	did you remove the .bak file also?	19:05
niwakame	(or moving it outside of the directory)	19:05
Xipp2	no i didnt	19:05
niwakame	ok, could you check the size of both files?	19:05
niwakame	do a ls -lisah	19:06
Xipp2	-rw-r--r-- 1 user users 29696 Jul 4 11:30 accounts.db.bak	19:06
Xipp2	-rw-r--r-- 1 user users 14336 Jul 9 17:18 accounts.db	19:06
Xipp2	let me try renaming the dir	19:06
Xipp2	and rebooting	19:06
niwakame	uhm	19:06
niwakame	no	19:06
Xipp2	no?	19:06
niwakame	do a	19:07
niwakame	mkdir /home/user/.accounts/backup	19:07
niwakame	and then move the files there	19:07
Xipp2	its the same	19:07
niwakame	not if the directory has special permissions / the dev forgot to implement a directory creation process	19:07
niwakame	and I'm betting on the 2nd case here :P	19:08
Xipp2	ok	19:08
Xipp2	did it	19:08
Xipp2	reboot time ?	19:08
niwakame	do a mc-tool list first	19:08
Xipp2	same output as before	19:08
niwakame	ok, if it now isn't booting anymore, it's not my fault ;P	19:08
niwakame	but try	19:08
niwakame	If everything fails, you have to flash mmc anyways	19:09
Xipp2	i hardly see how it couldnt boot with the account db being moved	19:09
Xipp2	ill take the risk	19:09
niwakame	yeah, shouldn't happen	19:09
Xipp2	rebooting	19:09
niwakame	there was also a way to access the db with an sqlite3 executable	19:10
Xipp2	assuming those were the db files	19:10
niwakame	they should be	19:11
Xipp2	im looking for	19:11
Xipp2	i think theres somewhere else	19:11
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niwakame	well, there's the signon part	19:12
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niwakame	but you can't access it	19:12
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Xipp2_	ok its me again	19:13
niwakame	oh dropped	19:13
Xipp2_	phone booted	19:13
Xipp2_	ill try connecting via ssh to check for db files being created a new	19:13
niwakame	check if the files are there	19:13
niwakame	yup	19:13
Xipp2_	ok they were	19:13
niwakame	then try to add skype	19:13
niwakame	(it should show up in mc-tool list)	19:13
Xipp2_	ill try with nokia account first	19:14
Xipp2_	same	19:14
Xipp2_	unknown error :p	19:14
niwakame	try skype please	19:14
Xipp2_	ok	19:14
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niwakame	they are added a bit different	19:15
Xipp2_	same	19:15
niwakame	ok that's bad	19:15
Xipp2_	"the account wont be saved" msg	19:15
Xipp2_	cant add	19:15
niwakame	could you check the output of dmesg ?	19:15
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Xipp2_	ofc	19:15
niwakame	ofc?	19:16
Xipp2_	ofcourse	19:16
niwakame	;)	19:16
niwakame	2nd thing would be a tail -f /var/log/syslog	19:16
niwakame	ahh	19:16
niwakame	tail /var/log/syslog	19:16
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xipp2	again me	19:17
xipp2	in dmesg theres nothing relevant	19:18
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xipp2	:(	19:18
niwakame	tail /var/log/syslog	19:18
xipp2	in syslog nothing is being logged	19:18
niwakame	kay	19:18
xipp2	plz help :(	19:19
niwakame	then it seems your signon db or file system is flawed	19:19
niwakame	at least my guess here	19:19
xipp2	signondb someone else already	19:19
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xipp2	pointed it out	19:19
xipp2	but seems like i need inception to fix it	19:19
niwakame	problem is, that you can't access it	19:19
niwakame	yeah	19:19
niwakame	it's protected by aegis-fs	19:20
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xipp2	how to fix ? imma get inception right now	19:20
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xipp2	whatever ill check later imma go home now	19:21
xipp2	:p	19:21
niwakame	yeah ok	19:21
niwakame	:)	19:21
xipp2	thanks	19:21
niwakame	np	19:21
xipp2	later	19:21
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niwakame	bah, now I need to do a HMAC-SHA1 encoding	19:23
niwakame	itsnotabigtruck: could you send me the url of your repository for the oauth packages?	19:24
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niwakame	itsnotabigtruck: nevermind	19:31
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Namek	Hi, I'm trying to make a daemon that has a DB and also a DBus interface, no problem with coding that, if I use the autogenerated aegis file everything works well but my daemon is launched as nobody so I can't write onto the DB, I modified the aegis file to run the app as user but now I can't register the dbus interface, can someone help me please	20:09
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thp	Namek: you might have to source the profile file	20:39
thp	Namek: in the upstart file, have an exec line like this: "exec /usr/bin/aegis-exec -s -u user /bin/sh -c "source /etc/profile && exec /path/to/your/binary""	20:40
Namek	thp: Thank you so much I will try that	20:42
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jonni	Namek: or pastebin you aegis file, maybe your dbus interface definition is buggy somehow?	21:43
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jesuschrist^	hey all	21:45
Namek	jonni: I'm at work now, I didn't bring my source, but thanks I will try what thp said and if that doesn't work I will ask for your help again :)	21:45
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jonni	dbus interface aegis examples in here http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Aegis_manifest_syntax.html	21:52
jesuschrist^	jonni woudl you please give me the command to fix the signondb again please ?	21:54
jesuschrist^	i was at work before	21:54
Namek	jonni: I have read that and I was following it but it doesn't work, maybe I have something wrong in my aegis file I will post it as soon as I can, thanks again :)	21:55
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jesuschrist^	guys if i remove signon.db from the /home/user	22:10
jesuschrist^	since there are strong suspects its corrupt	22:10
jesuschrist^	would i brick my n9 ?	22:11
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ladoga	hihi	22:32
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ladoga	Kozzi: rtmpdump compiles fine in scratchbox without any voodoo	22:36
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ladoga	tho it makes libs and stuff so would be good to package it...atleast to make install and removal straightforward	22:40
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mankeli	itsnotabigtruck: endno.de seems to down :(	23:02
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khertan	Hello !	23:28
khertan	Does someone can say me if pr1.3 contain an updated pyside package ?	23:28
khertan	didn't have an n9 :)	23:29
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thp	khertan: python-pyside is 1.0.7-1maemo2+0m6	23:38
khertan	thp: thx	23:38
khertan	i ll try to get it from 001 repository to see if the bug making segfault in KhtEditor is fixed, thx	23:39
khertan	damn, same bugged version than pr1.2	23:43
khertan	grrr	23:43
khertan	thx thp	23:43
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khertan	thp: did you know if it s possible to provide an updated package from community cobs ? as it s protected by aegis ?	23:44
thp	khertan: you could use inception to replace the package afaiui	23:46
khertan	thp: yeah of course, but not really something i can ask to an end user	23:46
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thp	khertan: indeed :/	23:54
khertan	did you know any way to discover what can leak battery when device idle ?	23:56
khertan	idle avg consumption 131mA	23:56
khertan	like when powered	23:56
khertan	a bit too much	23:57
khertan	only 2 or 3 hours of battery in idle	23:57
jesuschrist^	do you have uptimer installed khertan ?	23:57
khertan	nope, what is it ?	23:57
jesuschrist^	fine, battery icon ?	23:57
jesuschrist^	any other app with some daemon running background ?	23:58
jesuschrist^	email push ?	23:58
khertan	except exchange running (every hour) ... profilomatic ... MeeCast (every 4 hours)	23:59

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