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| jonni | time to start photoshopping next pr releases, and then laughing on people who ask where to get it :) | 00:28 |
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| jonni | heh, I have to photoshop skype videocall app :) | 00:29 |
| jonni | and then make limited betatest announce thread - and see what happens ;-) | 00:30 |
| jonni | maybe a bit too cruel joke | 00:31 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni: put it on twitter | 00:44 |
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| bef0rd | wait | 01:05 |
| bef0rd | so PR1.3 is out? | 01:05 |
| jonni | bef0rd: nope. | 01:06 |
| bef0rd | >:o | 01:06 |
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| jonni | but you can always dream about it :) | 01:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: the new rumors that few devs got email from ovi about update and few screenshots of people saying they have internal repo or something like that | 01:13 |
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| rzr | enough w/ twitter ... https://twitter.com/#!/NeedADebitCard | 01:23 |
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| virtuald | :D | 01:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: people are morrons | 01:47 |
| rzr | so we are | 01:53 |
| Lava_Croft | calling people morons while using incorrect spelling is just priceless | 01:56 |
| Lava_Croft | good night! | 01:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: =P | 01:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: check rxr's link | 01:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | s/rxr/rzr/ | 01:57 |
| infobot | ZogG_laptop meant: Lava_Croft: check rzr's link | 01:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | is everyone sure that pr1.3 isn't out? | 03:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: is out already? | 03:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | =) | 03:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: you're asking me? you were just talking about it a page up | 03:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i saw few screenshots but not sure if it's true | 03:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, it looks legit, the question is whether it's from an actual public release | 03:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or if it's from somebody who has the internal repo like you suggested earlier | 03:30 |
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| ZogG_laptop | if it is it's the second version | 03:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | logically it can't be per phone or something, it would depend on repo only, so if one would be updated we would see crazy TMO posts | 03:37 |
| rzr | itsnotabigtruck, hi , do you plan to incept 1.3 too ? | 03:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | rebranded as "virginity lost" =) | 03:48 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | rZr: of course :p | 05:18 |
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| beford | itsnotabigtruck, is pr1.3 out? :P | 05:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: what about your lastfm thing? | 05:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | and did you get email from nokia about phone? | 05:44 |
| beford | hey ZogG_laptop , yea I contacted them and they havenot answered since past week | 05:45 |
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| beford | and no mail about phone, I suppose I need to publish it first | 05:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | beford: try to contac again/make different icon/talk to quim | 05:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: mine is stuck in customs | 05:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | it took 3 days of weekend to pass 3 countries and after it got to israel it's tuck there for few days with not much info there | 05:59 |
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| beford | hah that sucks, did they contact you? | 06:16 |
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| iffsid | Does anyone know what to do when the touchscreen doesn't respond to touch input on the N9? | 06:19 |
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| romaxa | does anybody here familiar with nitdroid and instructions about how to build it for N9? | 09:31 |
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| rigo | I would be interested too, but the devs aren't awake yet. I think you should ask your question again later | 09:39 |
| dm8tbr | this is the wrong channel to ask about nitdroid though | 09:42 |
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| jonni | ok, now pr1.3 is available in care servers... | 11:24 |
| petteri | so what does that mean? | 11:25 |
| petteri | at least I don't see it on my n9 | 11:25 |
| jonni | it means that you can flash it with flasher command. over the air updates will take some time. | 11:26 |
| jonni | and care servers dont have all the regions there yet, so you should wait anyhows. | 11:27 |
| petteri | ok, nice. Any news what is changed | 11:28 |
| petteri | at least PR1.1 seemed a bit faster than PR1.2, so getting that performance back would be nice | 11:28 |
| kimju | jonni, is there images for n950 too, or only for n9? | 11:28 |
| jonni | kimju: don't know, I havent checked public places. | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: sounds all like closing down the site and final cleaning up | 11:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | esp since http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1230162#post1230162 | 11:44 |
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| phako | "closing down the site" happened in march. | 11:53 |
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| rigo | I think there is a community of people wanting this to continue and there is perhaps some opportunity for all the thrown outs to pack together and get some software running on alternative hardware | 12:02 |
| rigo | this is how linux started | 12:03 |
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| petteri | i think alternative forum is needed asap | 12:15 |
| rigo | yep | 12:16 |
| rigo | and alternative store | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | you really think nobody anticipated that and already is working on something? | 12:16 |
| phako | has anyone managed to get nitroid to get wireless access? | 12:17 |
| rigo | DocScrutinizer, I hope people are working on something :) | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hope council meanwhile managed to stop unproductive bitching&fighting mode and got into pace regarding some supplementary/auxiliary/alternative infra | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | not only COBS | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | but also forum | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | for now it's unclear why tmo wouldn't continue, technically. Just Reggie seems not inclined to do that for community, once Nokia hit the sack. Needs further discussions with him, what are the reasons for this | 12:20 |
| rigo | make sure there is a working store for the ecosystem. This is central | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, for HARM I don't see a future for "store", since we don't possess Nokia's signing keys for all the aegis stuff | 12:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | HARM is built to die when Nokia pulls the plug | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'S basically the whole purpose of aegis | 12:23 |
| rigo | DocScrutinizer, the thing is to 1/ negotiate the keys out of Nokia and if that fails, create another shop and evolve the distribution with new keys and a new image | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, nice | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | how are you going to sign the closed blobs? | 12:25 |
| X-Fade | Community has a key.. | 12:26 |
| rigo | Don't understimate the power of negotiation | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | on your 'new store' | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: community has a key to sign the kernel of a community-based fiasco image? | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: No, but does have one for a store. | 12:28 |
| rigo | why not? If there is no central controlling power anymore, the key is the smallest question. Rather how to organize control to avoid android chaos | 12:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rigo: you still fail to see there's a signing key buried deep inside HARWARE of N9 | 12:29 |
| rigo | TCG? | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | community has no access to the other half of that cert key | 12:30 |
| rigo | is there a TPM? | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | And basically there is nobody left to care about that. | 12:30 |
| rigo | ok, the TPM can generate a new key. Nokia is not supposed to still own my device | 12:30 |
| rigo | and according to the TCG specifications, if they are the sole entity being able to generate the key, they are owners | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | rigo: even Nokians bricked their device hard, by messing with certs in TPM | 12:31 |
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| rigo | Sure, I'm on the (now dormant) TCG Advisory Group. The TPM should be able to generate a new key | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | rigo: what we got on OMAP HS is not exactly a TPM as specified by MS | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | rigo: google for omap trustzone | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | There are of course some aegis exploits that can be used, but that is not really a solid base for community distribution :) | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not exactly expert for this stuff, but aiui user has no control whatsoever over this "TPM" | 12:36 |
| rigo | hm, so there are proprietary hardware lockers. This is something that has to hit the media at some point | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Hah. | 12:38 |
| rigo | DocScrutinizer: the TPM has one vendor key. This key is used to generate another key that is then used for the chain of trust | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | 'locked bootloader! See three sentance article on page 43 for more news' | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Which doesn't help at all if we can't generate the second key based on the vendor key | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Which we can't. | 12:40 |
| rigo | yes, but locked devices are then a thing that Brussels _loves_ to care for | 12:40 |
| SpeedEvil | This will be why you can't buy a device with a locked bootloader in the EU. | 12:40 |
| rigo | I still believe you underestimate the negotiation power here. Because if they close it down, they can be pressured to not destroy it. Politics can come into play as they have laid off so many people, politicians may be keen to help in negotiations | 12:41 |
| rigo | SpeedEvil, I don't think there is a regulation yet. Your car's electronics are as locked. There is a way. I just can't detail this from the top of my head here and now | 12:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is no existing redulation requiring open bootloaders. Or indeed any electronics in general to be open. | 12:47 |
| rigo | so there are e.g. forced licenses for a nominal fee, there are perhaps people helping to hack up the TPM to generate a new key for a new kernel and a full linux version (whatever called as I guess the name is protected) etc | 12:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | A political project to get laws enacted to enable this is quite offtopic. (and IMO unlikely to succeed unless you get _massive_ popular support, which is questionable) | 12:48 |
| rigo | SpeedEvil, this is not how politics work. You only need massive popular support if you're in a power relation with the politicians. Here you aren't . The politicians have to be convinced to help the thrown-outs. And this is likely to happen | 12:49 |
| SpeedEvil | You need pipular support once the hardware makers lobbiests - apple included - kick in. | 12:50 |
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| Lava_Croft | hurry up pr1.3 | 13:07 |
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| trx | so there will be no update for n950? | 13:41 |
| kimju | trx, no information about that, in one way or another. | 13:44 |
| trx | so its not offical, just talk | 13:44 |
| trx | good, thanks | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | That is very unlikely. | 13:44 |
| azeem | has there been any talk about PR1.3 for N950? | 13:44 |
| azeem | except for people saying "That is very unlikely." | 13:45 |
| jonni | dont know yet | 13:45 |
| japh | why wouldn't the update for n9 work for us as well? | 13:45 |
| arcean | it works :) | 13:45 |
| japh | for n950? | 13:45 |
| arcean | yep | 13:46 |
| japh | well, great then :) | 13:46 |
| Lava_Croft | I wonder if anyone can confirm any fix for the camera | 13:46 |
| arcean | right now, my n950 is PR1.3 powered | 13:46 |
| trx | arcean how? | 13:46 |
| trx | OTA ? | 13:46 |
| Lava_Croft | probably flashed | 13:46 |
| arcean | yes, N9 repo | 13:46 |
| Lava_Croft | heh | 13:46 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont think i have ever reload navifirm as much as today | 13:46 |
| Lava_Croft | reloaded* | 13:46 |
| trx | arcean and there are no problems with that? | 13:47 |
| arcean | no problems so far | 13:47 |
| japh | trx, hurry up now | 13:47 |
| azeem | any changelog for PR1.3 available yet? | 13:47 |
| japh | so I too maybe dare | 13:47 |
| arcean | just remember to remove mp-harmattan-rm680-pr | 13:47 |
| trx | japh no need atm | 13:47 |
| arcean | and NOT to install mp-harmattan-001-pr | 13:47 |
| japh | uhm | 13:47 |
| trx | i'll wait a bit, and then if i get no update i'll use n9 repo | 13:48 |
| trx | arcean thanks for the tip | 13:48 |
| arcean | trx, I've updated N950 to final 1.2 using this method :) | 13:48 |
| japh | I'm not thanking him prior to me seeing the phone boot again | 13:48 |
| japh | :-) jk | 13:49 |
| arcean | trx, no problem ;) | 13:49 |
| japh | arcean, uh, what is it called exactly? | 13:52 |
| arcean | what is what called? | 13:53 |
| Lava_Croft | Maybe Nokia should roll out PR1.3 to the developed world first. | 13:53 |
| Lava_Croft | >_< | 13:53 |
| kimju | is the "making a n950 to act like a n9" procedure documented somewhere? | 13:56 |
| japh | arcean, what does rm680 mean as opposed to 001, which I assume was the firest version. I have mp-harmattan-rm680-pr installed now | 13:57 |
| japh | I haven't learned myself this apt/dpkg business, dpkg -s spammed one giant massive wall of n9 advertisement in 20 languages | 13:58 |
| arcean | RM-680 is a codename of N950 | 13:59 |
| japh | oh dear. right | 13:59 |
| arcean | and 001 is the N9 repo you'd want to use | 14:00 |
| japh | is 'the n9' repo something official? (for n9...) | 14:00 |
| japh | ohh | 14:00 |
| kimju | and 001 is variant code of n9 for "most of the world" | 14:00 |
| japh | well why did 2 exist if we are now going to have to use the one for n9 :p | 14:00 |
| arcean | heh, IIRC there's even N950 version of the PR 1.3 | 14:01 |
| arcean | I mean somewhere in Nokia ;) | 14:02 |
| kimju | and even the n9 version is not yet officially publicly available, so just wait for a while.. | 14:02 |
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| japh | yes, thank you kimju | 14:03 |
| mankeli | do they also update dev repos? :-) | 14:03 |
| kimju | mankeli, wait and see.. | 14:03 |
| japh | I'm sure I'll fuck things up and I don't have the time for fixing such before this weekend :p | 14:03 |
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| jonni | patience, is the keyword of the day | 14:03 |
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| Lava_Croft | Muh | 14:18 |
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| rigo | SpeedEvil, I think I'm a successful lobbyist myself, so I know how that works. And I still think the opportunity is NOW and in the next 6-12 month | 14:34 |
| Lava_Croft | hi nokia im in NL, screw the rest of the world | 14:39 |
| rigo | Lava_Croft, have they opened the dykes and flooded the land or what is that noise about? :) | 14:45 |
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| Lava_Croft | waiting for pr1.3 | 14:45 |
| * azeem got the PR1.3 now, .de/.at | 14:48 | |
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| Lava_Croft | pr1.3 arrived in NL now too | 14:52 |
| Lava_Croft | but i dont want to OTA | 14:52 |
| Lava_Croft | ill flash 1.2 and then OTA | 14:54 |
| hiemanshu | ~update | 14:56 |
| infobot | [update] http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 | 14:56 |
| hiemanshu | is there a PR1.3 for N950? | 14:57 |
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| jonni | Im so disapointed that my rick astley thread got sensored on TMO. | 15:09 |
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| Lava_Croft | i wonder why the flasher decided not to see my n9 | 15:12 |
| chem|st | jonni: next time you wanna rick'roll someone do it in some spastics forum! | 15:14 |
| chem|st | like off-topic | 15:14 |
| jonni | it was a valid topic, pr1.4 anticipation thread. | 15:17 |
| chem|st | with rick'rolling startingpost? | 15:17 |
| jonni | yep, its called humour, to wonder if its ever coming, or if people are ever 'not going to give up' waiting ;) | 15:19 |
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| jonni | but maybe some people just don't understand humour | 15:21 |
| chem|st | jonni: ever since, those prx.x is out threads I do consider trolling, starting it with bs even more! | 15:21 |
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| Lava_Croft | hey nice | 15:31 |
| Lava_Croft | flashing on lunix actually makes the n9's progress bar work | 15:31 |
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| Avengence | so anyne tried the new update yet? | 15:54 |
| Avengence | (for N9) | 15:54 |
| Avengence | I'm making a backup before the update but debating how to handle this as it might be a good time to start fresh, iff I can sync out all the contacts and messages. my message database got trashed a week ago new messages end up in al the wrong places | 15:56 |
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| Avengence | it would be nice if the update said what it does, for example if it might in any way help make the sync situation less painful | 15:59 |
| Lava_Croft | i flashed 1.2 and am updating to 1.3 OTA | 15:59 |
| Avengence | i've gone 1.0 -> 1.1 -> 1.2 OTA with backups each time but no reset of any data | 16:00 |
| Avengence | only issues I had were gmail hanggs until the message database insanity last week. I still wonder if I manage to sync everything out if I can resort the messages or they will be wrong when transfered back. can syncML even get messages other than SMS? | 16:02 |
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| ArkanoiD_ | is contacts merge bug finally fixed in 1.3? well, do merged contacts ever stop exploding? | 16:03 |
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| Avengence | ArkanoiD_: please elaborate on merged contacts bug | 16:03 |
| Avengence | are you referring to something where the contacts actually merge, or certain things just act like they may have (say sms messages from two unrelated people suddenly go into one message sttream although neither is even defined as a contact, they are just two (DIFFERENT) phone numbers | 16:05 |
| ArkanoiD_ | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=245 | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | jonni: The proper move is to put up a 'leaked' modded 1.3 firmware with Rick as the boot animation. | 16:07 |
| ArkanoiD_ | makes the whole phone book barely usable | 16:07 |
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| Avengence | so N9 developer blog is dead I guess. no posts since april and 1.3 is offered without a mention | 16:32 |
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| Avengence | drip drip drip the bytes come in as a tricle | 16:35 |
| Avengence | are the OTA servers connected via ISDN? | 16:35 |
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| rigo | jonni, when do you actually expect pr1.4? | 16:45 |
| Sazpaimon | what will happen if I do the OTA update on my openmode device? | 16:45 |
| Sazpaimon | because PR1.3 is showing up for me right now | 16:46 |
| Avengence | Sazpaimon: BOOM | 16:46 |
| Sazpaimon | i think I read once that all it will do is not flash the kernel, but I dont know for sure | 16:47 |
| Avengence | Sazpaimon: not tried it, but as told that you get MALF unless you revert to non-open, update, then go to new openmode version | 16:47 |
| Avengence | in the process, you have to reload all your data yourself | 16:47 |
| Sazpaimon | so I'll need to wait for navifirm to have it | 16:47 |
| alterego | It will probably remove openmode | 16:47 |
| Avengence | that mess was enough to keep me out of openmode until 1.3, on the assumption that is last version we will ever see so no more official updates to worry about | 16:48 |
| Sazpaimon | who's going to go and request PR1.3 sources? | 16:48 |
| Avengence | I assume the guy in germany hat had DVDs of 1.1 and 1.2 on his ftp server will get 1.3 and put it there. | 16:49 |
| Sazpaimon | what was the email to request it again? | 16:50 |
| Sazpaimon | i may as well do it myself as well | 16:50 |
| Sazpaimon | sourcecode.request@nokia.com | 16:52 |
| Sazpaimon | sent the email | 16:54 |
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| azeem | wasn't it Corsac who hosted some sources | 16:54 |
| Avengence | well, looks liek someone decided to take the network cable out of the bucket of water. after the firt 30mb or so, it suddenly leaped from a pitiful mess (bursts of 80k/s with seconds of nothing between) to almost 800k/s for the rest of the download, and then something like 2 minutes for the last byte | 16:55 |
| nid0 | fwiw, my 1.3 ota update downloaded at the full speed of my net connection, about 3 minutes | 16:56 |
| chem|st | any changelog available yet? | 16:57 |
| chem|st | 200MB is somewhat alot... | 16:57 |
| rm_work | ah is 1.3 out? | 16:57 |
| gabriel9|work | y | 16:57 |
| gabriel9|work | i upgraded | 16:57 |
| gabriel9|work | so far is good | 16:57 |
| gabriel9|work | faster | 16:57 |
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| gabriel9|work | we need changelog | 16:58 |
| Avengence | nid0: previously updates were no problem, but this one had a bad start. it blew out at only 5mb and I had to retry it manually. since downloads from nkia store fail more often than not in last 3 months, I figured they stopped paying bills and just linked the daatacenter to the internet using the wifi in the coffee shop next door | 16:58 |
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| rigo | if the download is so slow, there are chances that there are many devices out there... | 16:59 |
| Sazpaimon | oh and i cant remember | 17:00 |
| chem|st | rigo: device sales were significantly higher than lumia xxx | 17:00 |
| Sazpaimon | but is PR1.2 the last OCF update for N950? | 17:00 |
| Avengence | rigo: for most software updates, it either sits tere doing nothing for 2 mionutes and says failed or it downloads whole thing but says failed at 100%. I just keep hitting retry until it works or I get bored and then try again a few days later. trivial things (less than 100k probably install fine) . anything more it's nearly impossible | 17:01 |
| Sazpaimon | i think I read some places that said N950 won't be getting PR1.3 | 17:01 |
| rm_work | :( | 17:04 |
| rm_work | ah well | 17:05 |
| rm_work | didn't our last 1.2 update on n950 give us most of these features anyway? | 17:06 |
| rm_work | IIRC it was like pr1.2B as a beta for 1.3 | 17:06 |
| Corsac | azeem: I do | 17:07 |
| Corsac | azeem: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/ | 17:07 |
| azeem | yeah | 17:07 |
| azeem | 15:48 < Sazpaimon> who's going to go and request PR1.3 sources? | 17:07 |
| azeem | 15:49 < Avengence> I assume the guy in germany hat had DVDs of 1.1 and 1.2 on his ftp server will get 1.3 and put it there. | 17:07 |
| Corsac | azeem: I will, I think | 17:07 |
| azeem | cool | 17:07 |
| rm_work | wait, are those leaked sources for their closed components? or just a source repo as normal | 17:09 |
| azeem | the latter | 17:10 |
| azeem | AIUI | 17:10 |
| rm_work | they don't provide that officially?? | 17:10 |
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| jonni | most likely its cheaper to send dvd's than host it :) | 17:12 |
| rm_work | lol | 17:13 |
| jonni | for me OTA update to pr1.3 in finland was successfull atleast. was kinda slow, but in the end it booted up just fine. | 17:14 |
| Avengence | if they used a webseed torrent, it'd cost next to nothing to host | 17:14 |
| Avengence | the cost to press the and mail the dvd to one person probably exceeds the cost of a webseeded torrent for a month | 17:14 |
| nibbler | i'm happily volunteering to host it if it becomes available for the N950, bandwidth is not a concern. | 17:17 |
| Avengence | update installed, sms messages datanase is still totally fucked and new messages are pilling on at random | 17:17 |
| azeem | euh | 17:17 |
| Avengence | incoming sms messages pile onto any previous message stream at random. the correct number shows on the notofication, but in messages app it is merged into the wrong conversation. no cotnacts involved, just numbers. some sms messages have merged into skype conversations. after rebot, the entire skype converation is gone and exists only as a convesation with hte erratn phone number | 17:19 |
| Avengence | I need my messages out, I need to figure out where all the messages in the last week really came from, and I need to get it all sorted out so it stops happening. suggestions? | 17:20 |
| azeem | Avengence: tracker-sparql | 17:20 |
| Avengence | azeem: please elaborate. do you mean soe app to use on the phone to edit the database, or some tool on pc to edit the database once it's transfered? | 17:22 |
| azeem | well, editing is difficult as tracker-sparql can only query or delete | 17:22 |
| azeem | but you could at least poke at what's wrong | 17:23 |
| azeem | possibly | 17:23 |
| radiofree | you can edit using sparql | 17:23 |
| Avengence | still can't copy the body of a non-text message. so cant copy email, cant copy mms. email no big deal usually, is on the desktop. mms, great, blob of gibberish and I cant copy paste it to translate. | 17:23 |
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| Avengence | changelog would be nice to know what should have changed | 17:24 |
| azeem | radiofree: you mean like this: https://live.gnome.org/Tracker/Documentation/Examples/SPARQL/InSupport#DELETE_and_INSERT_is_UPDATE.2C_with_IN ? | 17:24 |
| radiofree | although you will delete then insert again.... | 17:24 |
| azeem | yeah | 17:24 |
| Avengence | no sync improvements I can see. no carddav. no syncml interface | 17:24 |
| azeem | Avengence: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Nokia_firmware_change_logs#N9 says "Over 1000 quality improvements including Mail, Facebook, Twitter, minor network & connectivity improvements." | 17:25 |
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| koe | that means: none | 17:25 |
| Avengence | radiofree: in the current state, I assume I want to query then delete ALL before inserting anything since it's obviously gotten sick. I don't just want to patch the recents but remove whatever corruption it has | 17:25 |
| Avengence | yaeh I read that as "didn't do shit, might've fixed some bugs, good luck figuring out which ones. oh, and have fun finding the new ones" | 17:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what's the status on PR1.3 | 17:28 |
| Kozzi | it's available | 17:28 |
| koe | inception not works) | 17:29 |
| koe | and thats the only visible change | 17:29 |
| Avengence | oh for fucks sake, tracker doesnt even have the decency to support some regular interface, but uses some not-sql BULLSHIT? what a PITA | 17:30 |
| azeem | Avengence: it's "standardized" | 17:30 |
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| azeem | koe: somebody mentioned "single tone" would get a dedicated status bar icon \o/ | 17:30 |
| Avengence | sql is a standard. csv is a standard. either of those would be better | 17:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | koe: check the inception website | 17:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as of about 5 seconds ago | 17:30 |
| radiofree | Avengence: it's SQPARQL | 17:30 |
| radiofree | SPARQL | 17:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whoops, forgot to declassify it | 17:31 |
| radiofree | http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/ | 17:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | fixed | 17:31 |
| rm_work | it is sqlite | 17:31 |
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| rm_work | you can open the tracker DB with sqlite | 17:31 |
| rm_work | and the messages are in there | 17:31 |
| rm_work | i did that to export and re-import when i upgraded last time | 17:31 |
| Avengence | rm_work: the real data is sqlite? ok, thank you. fuck the gay sparkles, the raw tables is all I want, and if I dont havfe to even use sql and can just dump the data because its sqlite, all the better. | 17:32 |
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| koe | itsnotabigtruck, wow :) | 17:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just to make sure everyone noticed: NEW INCEPTION OUT! | 17:32 |
| rm_work | Avengence: also: | 17:33 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | and it has cool new features if you aren't on pr1.3 so upgrade either way | 17:33 |
| rm_work | Avengence: also: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83166 | 17:33 |
| rm_work | Avengence: I believe that makes it a hell of a lot easier | 17:33 |
| Avengence | rm_work: thanks! | 17:33 |
| rm_work | the resulting file is like, CSV | 17:33 |
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| rm_work | and easily editable | 17:33 |
| azeem | itsnotabigtruck: so where is the 0.2 changelog? :P | 17:34 |
| Avengence | that looks lie exactly waht I want | 17:34 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | azeem: it's inside the deb if you feel like reading it | 17:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but how about instead just installing it and feeling the awesome | 17:39 |
| Kozzi | lol | 17:40 |
| Sazpaimon | azeem, I already made a request anyway | 17:41 |
| Sazpaimon | we'll see who gets it first I guess | 17:41 |
| Sazpaimon | considering I'm in USA, probably you | 17:41 |
| rm_work | itsnotabigtruck: is inception in a repository somewhere? | 17:42 |
| rm_work | or just available as a deb download | 17:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rm_work: deb | 17:42 |
| rm_work | hrm, k | 17:42 |
| Kozzi | itsnotabigtruck: perhaps you can update tmo threads name, so people know that pr1.3 is supported | 17:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, if you incepted on pr1.2 and upgraded to pr1.3 | 17:42 |
| Sazpaimon | oops, meant to say that to Corsac | 17:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | my testing indicated that inception will continue to work | 17:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as long as you don't run pasiv | 17:42 |
| Avengence | great, the latest fucking cockup: I got a message that showed as from the number belonging to someone that I do business with regularly who is on vacation this week, so maybe important and this strange message is maybe saying I need to do some crap to retrieve wahtever message they sent from another country | 17:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | however, the new inception runs a lot smoother and it has a major new feature called ariadne | 17:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's described on the new ver of the inception website | 17:43 |
| rm_work | was hoping inception would show up in Packrat | 17:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i gotta run | 17:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | packrat? | 17:43 |
| rm_work | http://ageofikon.com/prh/ | 17:43 |
| Avengence | NOPE! Its just an add from my carrier, roughly translated, my phone can now do MMS (holy shit) just call this numer becase yor settings are correct.(huh?) | 17:43 |
| rm_work | the thing RST38h wrote and I continue to "maintain" | 17:43 |
| Avengence | damn it tracker, must you get EVERY message wrong on 1.3? | 17:43 |
| Corsac | Sazpaimon: I'm waiting for the update before sending the mail :) | 17:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah | 17:44 |
| Sazpaimon | Corsac, you mean in navifirm? | 17:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, also, everyone: if you're on a non-001 product code and the firmware images are out | 17:45 |
| rm_work | i really wish N9(50) used something like the old .install files | 17:45 |
| Corsac | I'll do it OTA | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flash the damn thing | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't do an ota upgrade | 17:45 |
| Corsac | Sazpaimon: I don't habve navifirm | 17:45 |
| rigo | anybody knows another email client for N9? fenix keeps on crashing when I try to change folder | 17:45 |
| rm_work | no way to actually force it to do a dependency check :( | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's important that you switch to the 001 region code | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because the other ones suck and this is your last chance to do so | 17:45 |
| Corsac | what are the differences? | 17:45 |
| rm_work | region codes? | 17:45 |
| Sazpaimon | well, at the very least, 001 variant gets updates first | 17:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lack of branding compared to the ones not less than 100 | 17:45 |
| Corsac | Sazpaimon: I'm running Linux, so I usually download OTA and find a way to the link later | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all social apps | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's the generic standard | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | etc. | 17:46 |
| Avengence | wahts the code for NO social apps? | 17:46 |
| rm_work | lol | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there is none | 17:46 |
| rigo | !! | 17:46 |
| Avengence | fuck | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but 003 has all the chinese socialapps | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and none of the western ones | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though 001 is also western only apps | 17:46 |
| Corsac | bah, I'm on 001 anyway | 17:46 |
| Avengence | i really want to make the twatter and fakebook go away | 17:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a way | 17:47 |
| Sazpaimon | Corsac, then you should have the update | 17:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not easy | 17:47 |
| Sazpaimon | my 001 variant got the update when I manually did a refresh | 17:47 |
| rm_work | don't add accounts for them :P | 17:47 |
| Corsac | yeah but store was opened since this morning | 17:47 |
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| Sazpaimon | well like I said, my 001 variant has the update sitting there | 17:48 |
| Avengence | rm_work: they are in the way on the screen, any time I add an app I have to move them down, each reboot they get above the sim apps, etc | 17:48 |
| Sazpaimon | i cant do anything about it since I'm in open mode though | 17:48 |
| rm_work | Avengence: put them in a folder :P | 17:48 |
| rm_work | you have folders now | 17:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no response on tmo yet | 17:48 |
| Corsac | well, if someone has the direct link for download, I'm interested so I restore in case of problem, but it's not urgent | 17:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | come on guys, start freaking out about new inception! :p | 17:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bbl | 17:48 |
| Sazpaimon | Corsac, give me a sec | 17:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Corsac: grab navifirm or check out my firmware guide | 17:48 |
| Corsac | Sazpaimon: yep, upgrade's here | 17:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it has all the deets | 17:49 |
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| Corsac | itsnotabigtruck: I don't have windows | 17:49 |
| Avengence | can I have a folder that doesnt show up? hidden folder where things go to die? | 17:49 |
| Sazpaimon | Avengence, prefixing a folder name with . makes it mostly hidden | 17:49 |
| Corsac | mh, smsbackuprestore seems to die doing the select | 17:49 |
| Avengence | mostly hidden as in doesnt take up any icon space on the home screen? | 17:50 |
| qwazix | please clarify, will inception work if I apply it after the update? | 17:50 |
| Sazpaimon | what's the update number? | 17:51 |
| Sazpaimon | 40.2012.21.3? | 17:51 |
| rm_work | Corsac: i had to run it like 4 times and figure out which file was the complete version | 17:51 |
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| rm_work | err, ran it 6 times till i got three that were the largest size and seemed to be all the same, so considered that the full dump | 17:52 |
| Kozzi | Corsac: http://www.tinhte.vn/threads/1358748/ | 17:52 |
| Avengence | a . on the literal folder name doesnt help | 17:52 |
| Sazpaimon | Kozzi, those are all vietnam links | 17:52 |
| Sazpaimon | however, I cant seem to find a ROW firmware variant on navifirm | 17:53 |
| Kozzi | yeah but for 001 variant | 17:53 |
| Corsac | Kozzi: thanks | 17:53 |
| Kozzi | first is magenta, second and thir is black and fourth is cyan | 17:53 |
| Sazpaimon | Kozzi, you sure that's the 001 variant? I cant find it on navifirm | 17:54 |
| Sazpaimon | 059J1Z5 is the 001 variant right? | 17:54 |
| Sazpaimon | for 16GB black | 17:54 |
| Kozzi | okey, fix the second and third are for vietnamese variant | 17:54 |
| Corsac | 7% [=> ] 87 937 419 8,42M/s eta 2m 0s | 17:55 |
| Corsac | \o/ | 17:55 |
| Kozzi | 005 sorry my bad | 17:55 |
| Sazpaimon | Kozzi, okay yeah thwe first link is 001 | 17:58 |
| Sazpaimon | cool | 17:58 |
| Sazpaimon | can anyone confirm the kernel version for 1.3? | 17:58 |
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| Avengence | when I was alerted to the 1.3 update, it said 7 app updates. after the reboot, I go to manage apps and there's only one update. huh? | 18:00 |
| phako | Avengence: core app updates are included in the device update | 18:01 |
| Avengence | wahts a core app? im getting a bundled app rigt now, accuweather. and i know ive seen separate installs for at least half the other bundled apps | 18:01 |
| Jaffa | Avengence: Most of the ones which were in the 7 app updates were bundled in the OS update. Twitter, Facebook etc. | 18:02 |
| phako | well yes, technically accuweather is a core app, but apparently that had an update after PR1.3 was finalized | 18:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | so everyone got the updates? | 18:05 |
| Avengence | "core app" to me implies something like the web browser or mail or messages app. the other things, those which have entries in the applications list, I'd call bundled. they are not core, they are listed as seprate entities. only issue is the lack of an uninstall/delete on those bunded apps | 18:05 |
| arcean | Sazpaimon: 2.6.32-20121301+0m8 | 18:05 |
| Sazpaimon | arcean, thanks | 18:05 |
| Avengence | Ihad one app still listed that failed all prior attempts. I hit try again, it sat there for 30 sec and then dumped out. now it sows as installed, 0 bytes, no icon. great, limbo | 18:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | so who updated - how are the feelings | 18:06 |
| Avengence | ZogG_laptop: no visible changes/fixes yet whatsoever | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | Avengence: Terminology doesn't matter, lots of the bundled apps get updated with the OS update | 18:08 |
| Avengence | going out totally and back into applications reverts the state. each time, outcome is same, 0byte packe installed after an error the package is missing. only solution, uninstall that 0byte iconless app, exit applications list and then return. now its gone, start from scratch | 18:09 |
| Avengence | Jaffa: nearly all th ebundled apps ive seen updated separate. not sure if there were also updates with, just that after an os updates, I'd be wasting far more bandwidth in separate updates for the trash games and social apps that dont even havef the decency to use binary patches for the updates | 18:10 |
| Jaffa | Avengence: Sorry, sounded like you were confused about what's going on. I'm not defending the bundling, was just trying to explain why the number of updates dropped after installing PR1.3. | 18:12 |
| ab | for me OTA update stuck at 90% for few hours already, is this known? | 18:12 |
| Avengence | Jaffa: i was confused as to why th enumber changed. that some bundled apps comes with the os and some separate just means they are messy amateurs when it comes to making packages. calling something a core app implies its more than a bundled app so that added a little more confusion on the pile | 18:13 |
| Avengence | ab: mine died at 5mb and required restart. up to about a third of the way, it was not much quicker than dialup, with long dead periods. so, the update servers are having some issues just getting the bits out the door | 18:14 |
| Sazpaimon | someone apparently said they were able to update an open mode device to PR1.3 OTA | 18:15 |
| Sazpaimon | so the kernel hasn't changed that much apparently | 18:15 |
| Sazpaimon | I guess I'll take the plunge | 18:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | Jaffa: the problem that few numbers probably were up just for new update and may been not updated | 18:16 |
| ab | Avengence: no, that's different. Download was fast but update afterwards stuck at 90%. There is a topic at TMO. Rebooting helped | 18:18 |
| kimju | has anyone made a list comparing the packet versions between 1.2 and 1.3? | 18:19 |
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| ZogG_laptop | kimju: as i said just before - it might be only version but no change for app | 18:19 |
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| kimju | ZogG_laptop, yes, of course. still would like see a list of updates | 18:20 |
| arcean | Sazpaimon, I'm running PR 1.3 with open mode kernel (PR1.2) on N950 | 18:21 |
| arcean | so yeah it works ;D | 18:21 |
| Sazpaimon | arcean, how did you manage to get PR1.3 on N950? | 18:23 |
| Sazpaimon | just apt-get upgrade? | 18:23 |
| Sazpaimon | seeing as there's no OCF for PR1.3 | 18:24 |
| arcean | yes, you have to use N9 repo | 18:24 |
| arcean | and be aware that installing mp-harmattan-001-pr will brick your device | 18:24 |
| Sazpaimon | ah | 18:25 |
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| arcean | but without metapackage everything works, so that's not a big problem :) | 18:26 |
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| Sazpaimon | how does a meta package brick a device | 18:29 |
| Sazpaimon | that doesnt make any sense | 18:29 |
| arcean | i'm not sure, but IIRC it has cert-sw | 18:30 |
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| arcean | or sw-cert whatever | 18:30 |
| arcean | and if such sw-cert would be flashed, then you wouldn't be able to reflash n950 with pr12 beta ocf | 18:31 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah and good luck taking it to a service center for a downgrade | 18:35 |
| Sazpaimon | my OTA update on my N9 is stuck at 0% updating | 18:35 |
| arcean | heh | 18:35 |
| Sazpaimon | let me reboot and try again | 18:35 |
| Lava_Croft | awww:< | 18:36 |
| Lava_Croft | pr1.3 didnt fix my camera | 18:36 |
| Avengence | Sazpaimon: mine sat at 0% a long time before it started counting up | 18:37 |
| Lava_Croft | yes, it takes quite a while to update OTA | 18:37 |
| Lava_Croft | and it stays at 0% for quite a while too | 18:37 |
| Avengence | not counting download, the update install took about 20min, then however for the reboot | 18:38 |
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| Lava_Croft | too bad i still have broken camera | 18:38 |
| Sazpaimon | rebooted and now I see a message "Rescuing software update. Please do not interrupt" | 18:38 |
| Sazpaimon | Rescuing? | 18:38 |
| Lava_Croft | to nokia care it is | 18:38 |
| Lava_Croft | heh | 18:38 |
| Lava_Croft | that doesnt sound too good | 18:38 |
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| Sazpaimon | yeah probably need to reflash | 18:39 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont see pr1.3 fw in navifirm yet | 18:39 |
| Sazpaimon | I do | 18:39 |
| Lava_Croft | not for my regio | 18:39 |
| Lava_Croft | region* im NL | 18:39 |
| Lava_Croft | or benelux, whatever | 18:39 |
| Sazpaimon | I just use region 001 | 18:39 |
| Sazpaimon | anyway, thats a weird new message | 18:40 |
| Sazpaimon | i havent seen that message in preinit before | 18:40 |
| Lava_Croft | Sazpaimon: so i could just get the fw for LTA region? | 18:43 |
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| Sazpaimon | Lava_Croft, just get the firmware for the global variant | 18:45 |
| Sazpaimon | file:///C:/Users/Sazpaimon/Downloads/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin | 18:45 |
| Sazpaimon | whoops | 18:45 |
| Sazpaimon | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1205/2811/7048829758/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin | 18:45 |
| Sazpaimon | that should be the link for global 16GB N9s | 18:46 |
| Lava_Croft | theres no new emmc image? | 18:46 |
| Lava_Croft | and thanks | 18:46 |
| Sazpaimon | i never flash emmc | 18:46 |
| Sazpaimon | but http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1207/0312/7076666921/59BEC3BC_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.13-7.SEAP_EMMC_SEAP.bin | 18:46 |
| Sazpaimon | tat should be it | 18:46 |
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| Sazpaimon | could be wrong on that though | 18:47 |
| Kozzi | what does emmc flashing do ? | 18:47 |
| Lava_Croft | i think you are wrong on that one:) | 18:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | hm i can't update =) | 18:49 |
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| Avengence | is there a different image for 64GB N9? I thought they would use the same as OS parttions should be inditical, only size of user data partition should be different | 18:51 |
| Lava_Croft | theres no difference between 64gb and 16gb versions, iirc | 18:53 |
| Lava_Croft | but im not entirely sure | 18:53 |
| Lava_Croft | When downloading firmware images, it doesn't matter which color or capacity (16/64 GB) you select - the files are the same for all models. | 18:53 |
| Kozzi | I think there is with applications storage size | 18:53 |
| Lava_Croft | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 | 18:53 |
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| Avengence | i wouldn't expect a difference, but hand to wonder after <Sazpaimon> that should be the link for global 16GB N9s | 18:54 |
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| ZogG_laptop | unable to trace installation package dependencies | 18:55 |
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| Lava_Croft | hmm | 18:57 |
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| rzr | hi | 19:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | hey rzr | 19:12 |
| * Lava_Croft is looking against visiting Nokia Care | 19:13 | |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | anyone have any trouble with inception 0.2 yet? | 19:13 |
| Lava_Croft | the people that work at my local care point have no regard and/or love for Maemo | 19:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | or alternately, think it's awesome | 19:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: is 1.4 out? | 19:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | lol zogg | 19:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and Lava_Croft: what's the problem with your N9? | 19:13 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck2: camera:< | 19:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | lame | 19:13 |
| Lava_Croft | it was working intermittent at first | 19:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | i can't update | 19:13 |
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| Lava_Croft | but the past week orso it just doesnt work at all | 19:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | too many people send their N9s back because of software problems, which are almost always fixable on one's own | 19:13 |
| Lava_Croft | camera is not responding msg | 19:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | but this doesn't sound like that | 19:13 |
| Lava_Croft | haha, yes | 19:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | what is it for apt-get to uprage distro - distupdate or what? | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: download the pr1.3 flash image | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and flash it | 19:14 |
| Lava_Croft | thats how i brought my first n900 to Care | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it's already available on day 1 | 19:14 |
| Lava_Croft | good thing i did tho, they fucked up and i got two back | 19:14 |
| * Lava_Croft chuckles | 19:14 | |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: n flashing, i have apps and configs and backup on n9 sucks | 19:14 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck2: you already updated inception? | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Lava_Croft: yep | 19:14 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck2: how nice! I was loving the 'older' version | 19:15 |
| Lava_Croft | but more loving it for its potential:) | 19:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | this one has shiny new features too | 19:15 |
| Sazpaimon | "maximum rescue count exceeded" | 19:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | so everyone should upgrade asap even if they haven't upgraded to pr1.3 | 19:15 |
| Sazpaimon | oh boy | 19:15 |
| Sazpaimon | guess I gotta reflash | 19:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | namely: ariadne | 19:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it's like sudo for aegis | 19:15 |
| Lava_Croft | heh | 19:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | named after the character in the film :p | 19:15 |
| Lava_Croft | and you called it ariadne? | 19:15 |
| Lava_Croft | after the ESA rockets? | 19:15 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 19:15 |
| Corsac | it's Ariane :) | 19:15 |
| Lava_Croft | oh yeah | 19:15 |
| Lava_Croft | now i remember | 19:15 |
| Lava_Croft | Ariadne is something completely different | 19:15 |
| Lava_Croft | its a magazine my wife reads | 19:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | lol | 19:16 |
| Lava_Croft | about home decoration | 19:16 |
| Lava_Croft | no shit! | 19:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it's originally a greek mythological character | 19:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | not a lame magazine :p | 19:16 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah | 19:16 |
| Sazpaimon | oh also, I just did a backup using the builtin backup application | 19:16 |
| Sazpaimon | what exactly does that backup | 19:16 |
| Lava_Croft | the magazine isnt that lame, if you are a woman and like home decorating! | 19:16 |
| Sazpaimon | does it do texts? | 19:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Sazpaimon: not your sms messages, apparently | 19:16 |
| Sazpaimon | oh fun | 19:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | but it does do your mms messages | 19:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: saves configs i think and app list | 19:16 |
| Lava_Croft | n9 backup is a bit meh | 19:16 |
| Lava_Croft | and the app list is ridiculo8us | 19:16 |
| Sazpaimon | guess I'm flashing the rescue image to save my tracker database | 19:16 |
| Lava_Croft | since after restoring it will just tell you it cant restore your apps | 19:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | anyway, so once you upgrade, get rid of opensh | 19:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and use ariadne instead | 19:17 |
| Lava_Croft | for various reason (.deb, ovi store, etc etc) | 19:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | unlike opensh, it's protected through your root password | 19:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have opensh | 19:17 |
| trx | itsnotabigtruck sounds good, thanks | 19:17 |
| Sazpaimon | of course I have no microusb cable here at work | 19:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: it would be more relevant on PC but noone knows here hat iis terminal and n9 only me using opensh so don't see the problem | 19:18 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck2: its just odd with the camera, since it sound like a common-ish problem | 19:18 |
| Lava_Croft | yet all the given solutions dont work | 19:18 |
| Lava_Croft | im having bad dreams about that other nokia with camera problems:X | 19:18 |
| Lava_Croft | N97 i think | 19:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's funny that there is no official changelog =\ | 19:18 |
| Lava_Croft | the post stated they had ONE THOUSAND improvements | 19:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: the main thing i was aiming against is poorly written or evil apps doing things like system("opensh -c evilscript"); | 19:18 |
| Lava_Croft | give the poor guy some time to write that down | 19:18 |
| rzr | Lava_Croft, and ZERO regressions ? | 19:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | there's nothing preventing opensh from being used in ways it's not supposed to, for non-interactive stuff | 19:19 |
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| Lava_Croft | rzr: ? | 19:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: if you say it so it sounds logical | 19:20 |
| rzr | any change is risky isnt it ... i am wondering how many regression we will find | 19:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: there's already been a few things that do that | 19:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | rzr: i doubt there's many regressions | 19:20 |
| Lava_Croft | rzr: you mean from pr1.3? | 19:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | as there aren't many changes, period | 19:20 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont think they changed a lot | 19:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | practically nothing changed except their inception countermeasures | 19:20 |
| Lava_Croft | iirc its mostly bugfixing | 19:20 |
| Lava_Croft | they actually made work of combating inception? | 19:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | yeah | 19:20 |
| Lava_Croft | in these dark days for nokia they spend manhours on that? | 19:20 |
| rzr | they added wallpapers ! | 19:20 |
| Lava_Croft | what the | 19:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: i would like to hear what bugs were fixed =) | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i have a list of aegis patches somewhere at home | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | 5 targeting inception 0.1 | 19:21 |
| Lava_Croft | well, from their standpoint, its logical | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | 1 targeting another exploit that i ended up using in 0.1.1 | 19:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: does it go smooth for you thru ota or u flashed? | 19:21 |
| Lava_Croft | if i coded Aegis, i would want inception to not work either:) | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | 1 targeting another exploit i didn't even think of | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and then a lot of minor changes to aegis that don't really affect inception | 19:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | or other exploits | 19:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and i did an ota, it went fine | 19:22 |
| macmaN | wish n9 update would show up.. | 19:22 |
| rzr | what was the suprise in this release ? they said it will bring a special feature didnt they ? | 19:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | macmaN: just download the image and flash it | 19:22 |
| Lava_Croft | macmaN: patience:< | 19:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | then put inception 0.2 on | 19:22 |
| Lava_Croft | macmaN: or do what itsnotabigtruck2 said | 19:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | never patience! | 19:22 |
| Lava_Croft | someone linked to the firmware earlier in here | 19:22 |
| Lava_Croft | not too long ago | 19:22 |
| Lava_Croft | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1205/2811/7048829758/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin | 19:22 |
| Lava_Croft | there, Global fw | 19:23 |
| macmaN | :) | 19:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | yup, that's the stuff | 19:23 |
| macmaN | word | 19:23 |
| macmaN | /lastlog http also got it | 19:23 |
| Lava_Croft | man | 19:23 |
| Lava_Croft | can you imagine this | 19:23 |
| Lava_Croft | finally you see that 1.3 arrived | 19:23 |
| Lava_Croft | you painfully wait all the time it needs to update OTA | 19:23 |
| Lava_Croft | and then the camera still doesnt work | 19:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | well, is it a software or a hardware issue | 19:23 |
| Lava_Croft | how can a man be so sad over a goddamn smartphone | 19:23 |
| Lava_Croft | im not sure | 19:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | if the lens is fubar no firmware update will do anything about it | 19:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | :p | 19:24 |
| Lava_Croft | since it was working sporadically at first | 19:24 |
| Lava_Croft | but then it wasnt working at all | 19:24 |
| Lava_Croft | not even MAG's flashlight MT toggle worked | 19:24 |
| Lava_Croft | which makes it sound more like software | 19:24 |
| Lava_Croft | but its all guessing | 19:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: make fresh flash and go to nokia care | 19:24 |
| Sazpaimon | did you try launching camera-ui from the terminal? | 19:24 |
| macmaN | crap, flashing is going to wipe out the phone right | 19:25 |
| Sazpaimon | my camera isnt working either, and I actually get an error message | 19:25 |
| Avengence | Lava_Croft: my camera once did the not responding thing but works fine after reboot. I was worried because it was a week after I dropped it down a flight of stairs (scuffs on the silicon, nothing more) but seems the fall did no damage | 19:25 |
| Lava_Croft | Sazpaimon: what error | 19:25 |
| Sazpaimon | i cant recall | 19:25 |
| Sazpaimon | i cant check now, I have MALF | 19:25 |
| Lava_Croft | only 'error' i get is about registerService() registering failed | 19:25 |
| Sazpaimon | launch if from terminal first | 19:26 |
| Lava_Croft | i just did | 19:26 |
| Sazpaimon | before launching it from the app screen | 19:26 |
| Sazpaimon | like, on a fresh boot | 19:26 |
| Lava_Croft | ah | 19:26 |
| Lava_Croft | if i was religious, id say that jesus whispered into my ear that its a software issue | 19:26 |
| Lava_Croft | thats my feeling about it, completely unbased | 19:27 |
| Sazpaimon | woah what the hell | 19:27 |
| Sazpaimon | after a few reboot loops | 19:27 |
| Sazpaimon | its working | 19:28 |
| Sazpaimon | no reflash needed | 19:28 |
| Lava_Croft | OTA worked for me too | 19:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ~inception | 19:28 |
| infobot | <a href="http://inception.davepedu.com/">BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH</a>, or how you own your phone (see #inception): https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ | 19:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ok, no update needed to that | 19:29 |
| Lava_Croft | ah Sazpaimon | 19:29 |
| Lava_Croft | camera pipeline error | 19:29 |
| Lava_Croft | timeout when trying to get videoframes from device | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | btw i shipped an updated aegisctl along with inception | 19:29 |
| Lava_Croft | sounds less software now | 19:29 |
| Sazpaimon | what the hell, I got MALF, and then rebooted and its fine | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | no actual changes, the only real difference is the dependencies | 19:29 |
| mankeli | itsnotabigtruck2: its updated for pr1.3? | 19:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: there was flame war on TMO openmode vs inception | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | mankeli: yup | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | everything | 19:30 |
| mankeli | damn youre fast | 19:30 |
| Sazpaimon | and my mp-harmattan-001-pr is 40.2012.21-3 | 19:30 |
| Sazpaimon | what the hell | 19:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | only thing that doesn't work is opptimizer, that's going to have to wait for the kernel source | 19:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: where? | 19:30 |
| Sazpaimon | yet for some reason I still have a PR1.3 update notification | 19:30 |
| Lava_Croft | Sazpaimon: so it does indeed poop out error | 19:31 |
| mankeli | can't install | 19:31 |
| trx | itsnotabigtruck can i run an executable with ariadne? I tried to run an executable which i scp-ed into the phone and set chmod 777 to it | 19:31 |
| Sazpaimon | guess I'll reflash just to be safe | 19:31 |
| Sazpaimon | since my camera app is broken too | 19:31 |
| mankeli | unable to trace installation package dependencies. | 19:31 |
| trx | itsnotabigtruck i get "Operation not permitted" | 19:31 |
| Lava_Croft | Sazpaimon: curious for your error msg | 19:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | Jaffa: the article about new incepption was fast | 19:31 |
| Sazpaimon | Lava_Croft, I think I have the same | 19:31 |
| Lava_Croft | Sazpaimon: sounds like camera unreachable by app to me | 19:31 |
| trx | itsnotabigtruck but i can run it without ariadne just fine tho | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | trx: do aegisctl -s | 19:32 |
| macmaN | when I add the n9 repo to sources.list on n950, how come some simple apps like Twitter tell me "incompatible with other installed apps" | 19:32 |
| mankeli | there seems to be alot of probs w/ pr1.3 | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | btw when you get an aegis EPERM it writes the reason out to the kernel log (try dmesg | tail) | 19:32 |
| Sazpaimon | okay so | 19:32 |
| macmaN | when trying to update them to what n9 has | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | that will tell you that it was a source identifier check problem | 19:32 |
| Sazpaimon | whats the most complete backup I can make on the N9 | 19:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | aegisctl -s kills that check | 19:32 |
| macmaN | otoh most apps seem to work just fine | 19:32 |
| Sazpaimon | like, absolute most complete | 19:32 |
| Sazpaimon | including smses | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Sazpaimon: i usually just grab contacts, smses, and photos | 19:33 |
| Lava_Croft | hmm Sazpaimon | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and jot down the apps i want to keep | 19:33 |
| Lava_Croft | not any recent google results for the error | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | oh, and game save files | 19:33 |
| Lava_Croft | at least not younger than a year | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | the contacts and smses can be done easily with nokia suite | 19:33 |
| Lava_Croft | this looks promising | 19:33 |
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| Lava_Croft | I cant wait for the day that N9 gets normal Maemo5-like repos | 19:34 |
| Lava_Croft | the current situation is just ridiculous | 19:34 |
| trx | itsnotabigtruck thank you | 19:37 |
| Sazpaimon | Lava_Croft, so basically: https://xkcd.com/979/ | 19:38 |
| Sazpaimon | re: camera issue | 19:38 |
| Lava_Croft | yes | 19:38 |
| Lava_Croft | to tal ly | 19:38 |
| Avengence | damn, just realized waht TMO is in this context. I was thinking of a particular carrier code but that wasnt makin sense in context | 19:38 |
| Lava_Croft | Sazpaimon: its been like this for me for the past month | 19:38 |
| Lava_Croft | but i piss on nokia care people | 19:38 |
| Sazpaimon | Lava_Croft, well Im going to reflash today | 19:38 |
| Lava_Croft | they know jackshit about maemo devices (at least here) | 19:38 |
| Sazpaimon | so i'll let you know if it works | 19:38 |
| Lava_Croft | i already did that a few times | 19:39 |
| Lava_Croft | doesnt work | 19:39 |
| Lava_Croft | havent tried a clean flash with 1.3 tho | 19:39 |
| Lava_Croft | but i doubt it will help | 19:39 |
| Lava_Croft | wauw i finally found someone with the same error | 19:39 |
| Lava_Croft | this is just great | 19:39 |
| Sazpaimon | i need a new USB cover | 19:39 |
| Lava_Croft | yes | 19:39 |
| Sazpaimon | the metal part finally fell off | 19:39 |
| Lava_Croft | i needed a new one after a week | 19:39 |
| Lava_Croft | its all bent and chipping off | 19:39 |
| Sazpaimon | so now it bends too easy | 19:39 |
| Sazpaimon | also | 19:40 |
| Lava_Croft | mine creeks | 19:40 |
| Sazpaimon | how do you people survive with 4 icons per row | 19:40 |
| Lava_Croft | since day one | 19:40 |
| Lava_Croft | make folders, Sazpaimon | 19:40 |
| Sazpaimon | ever time i reflash the first thing I change is icon size | 19:40 |
| Lava_Croft | its the only way to survive the apps menu | 19:40 |
| Sazpaimon | theyre just too huge | 19:40 |
| Lava_Croft | oh, i dont touch that | 19:40 |
| Lava_Croft | its a full touch phone, those always have ridiculous font sizes | 19:40 |
| Sazpaimon | its like | 19:40 |
| Lava_Croft | on n900, i always use tiny fonts | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Lava_Croft: btw, what is the specific camera problem | 19:40 |
| Sazpaimon | my friend has a giant 1080p display | 19:40 |
| Lava_Croft | i launch it from terminal, itsnotabigtruck2 | 19:41 |
| Lava_Croft | you want the exact error message? | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i just realized: if you get some message about the camera not responding, that's software | 19:41 |
| Sazpaimon | but he sets the DPI to some ungodly setting | 19:41 |
| Lava_Croft | well, it is | 19:41 |
| Sazpaimon | so it looks like 800x600 | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | normally a kernel-user mismatch | 19:41 |
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| Lava_Croft | it reports a timeout | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | wait, does it come up on the terminal, or as an infobanner over the camera app | 19:41 |
| Venemo | ~seen achipa | 19:41 |
| Lava_Croft | Timeout when trying to get video frames from device | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | sounds different | 19:41 |
| Lava_Croft | the notification just states the camera is not responding | 19:41 |
| infobot | achipa <~attila@a91-155-190-80.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 232d 6h 51m ago, saying: 'also libqtm-12 seems to have lost the promotion block so it's borked in general as it propagated to testing'. | 19:41 |
| Lava_Croft | and i should restart it, or the phone | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ok, then that's it | 19:42 |
| Avengence | 1080p is never "giant" in resolution | 19:42 |
| Lava_Croft | terminal reports the 'real' error | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Lava_Croft: flash it | 19:42 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, I can tell you when I do it from terminal, I get a message about /dev/media0 not responding | 19:42 |
| Lava_Croft | i did that several times with 1.2 already, itsnotabigtruck2 | 19:42 |
| Lava_Croft | didnt fix it | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | oh. | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | flash it again? :p it's a good idea to purge it before taking it to nokia care anyway | 19:42 |
| trx | itsnotabigtruck2, what would i need to do, to allow the application access the internet when scp-ed like this? It cant connect when scped, only when installed from a package :/ | 19:42 |
| Avengence | thats still less than waht I was running on CRTs well over a decade and now LCD reolution is dropping. thats the WTF | 19:42 |
| Lava_Croft | nothing about /dev/media0 for me | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | trx: you don't need special permissions to access the internet... | 19:42 |
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| Sazpaimon | does anyone have a URL for the global EMMC image? | 19:42 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck2: its fresh atm | 19:42 |
| Lava_Croft | 1.2 flashed and 1.3 OTA | 19:42 |
| Lava_Croft | im currently surrounded by freshly flashed maemo devices | 19:43 |
| Lava_Croft | and my sim is in my 1650 | 19:43 |
| Lava_Croft | what a life of luxury | 19:43 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck2: it sound to me like the app cannot reach the camera at all | 19:43 |
| Lava_Croft | which sounds like hardware problem | 19:44 |
| Avengence | anyway, default size fits 20 icons on the top. I just sort things by use. the more I need it, the further up it goes. I dont use fiolders but its rare I havef to scroll down. | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Lava_Croft: do a uname -a | 19:44 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | make sure you're running the kernel you're supposed to be | 19:44 |
| Lava_Croft | 20121301 | 19:44 |
| trx | itsnotabigtruck2 thats wierd, because when i install the program using a package built in cOBS, parts of the program that need internet are working fine. But when i scp the executable those parts dont work :/ | 19:45 |
| Lava_Croft | the whole wrong kernel thing is not it, im just about 100% sure of that | 19:45 |
| Lava_Croft | i did all the stuff with resetting, reboot -u, reflashing | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | trx: what happens when you do aegisctl -s and ariadne it | 19:45 |
| Lava_Croft | did the reboot command move or disappear | 19:45 |
| Lava_Croft | in 1.3 | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | that will let you rule out permission problems, anyway | 19:45 |
| Sazpaimon | Lava_Croft, no | 19:45 |
| Sazpaimon | it's in /sbin | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Lava_Croft: it's in /sbin | 19:45 |
| Sazpaimon | which isnt the default path | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | whoops | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | lol | 19:45 |
| trx | itsnotabigtruck2 the same thing that happens without ariadne and aegisctl -s | 19:46 |
| Lava_Croft | ah yeah, no /usr/sbin | 19:46 |
| Lava_Croft | silly me | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | trx: then it's not an aegis permission problem | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | better see if you can figure out precisely why it's failing | 19:46 |
| Sazpaimon | okay so | 19:46 |
| Sazpaimon | run me through the backup process now | 19:46 |
| Sazpaimon | I dont care about accounts, just actual user content | 19:46 |
| Lava_Croft | Sazpaimon: i use Nokia Ovi shit to backup contacts etc | 19:46 |
| Lava_Croft | so i can restore ota | 19:47 |
| Lava_Croft | that actually works rather well | 19:47 |
| Lava_Croft | much better than what it was on n900 | 19:47 |
| Sazpaimon | N900 has backupmenu | 19:47 |
| Sazpaimon | thats all I really need | 19:47 |
| Lava_Croft | which failed here | 19:47 |
| Lava_Croft | but yeah, backupmenu for n9 would be nice | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | btw i'd like to find out what people think about ariadne usability | 19:48 |
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| Sazpaimon | okay what the hell is nokia suite doing | 19:48 |
| Sazpaimon | its just sitting here with a blue squircle | 19:48 |
| Sazpaimon | how long does it do that | 19:48 |
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| Venemo | hi guys | 19:50 |
| Sazpaimon | hey Venemo | 19:50 |
| Venemo | I managed to brick my N9... so I wanna reflash it. is navifirm a safe source to download the images? | 19:51 |
| mankeli | yes | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | yep | 19:51 |
| Sazpaimon | Venemo, yeah, but I dont see the global variant for PR1.3 there | 19:51 |
| Sazpaimon | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1205/2811/7048829758/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin | 19:51 |
| Sazpaimon | this is the link for it though | 19:51 |
| Kozzi | lol how long does the ota update stay at 0% ? | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it downloads the files directly from nokia, it just talks to nokia's web service to get the URLs | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it's not like it's some dodgy thing | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | kozzi: a while | 19:52 |
| Sazpaimon | well, the program is written kinda badly | 19:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | but not very long | 19:52 |
| Venemo | interestingly I've discovered that my device (given to me by Nokia Developer) is a Singapore variant. and it came with an UK charger. how the heck is that possible? | 19:52 |
| Avengence | Kozzi: the first 10-20% by time is spent saying 0% progress | 19:52 |
| Kozzi | ok thanks for the info | 19:52 |
| Venemo | Sazpaimon: does it hurt if I install this global firmware to a device which originally didn't come with the global firmware? | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Venemo: what plug does singapore use | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it is, after all, a former british colony | 19:53 |
| Sazpaimon | Venemo, singapore uses british plugs | 19:53 |
| Venemo | meh, lol | 19:53 |
| Avengence | Venemo: probably, the phone and charger were both items he got at separate timees and paired together for you | 19:53 |
| Venemo | ok, I think Sazpaimon said it correctly | 19:54 |
| Venemo | so does it do any bad if I just flash the global fw to it? | 19:54 |
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| Avengence | i didnt think anyone used those plugs outside uk | 19:54 |
| Sazpaimon | i actually own a surge protector that has universal plugs | 19:54 |
| phako | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS_1363 | 19:54 |
| Sazpaimon | so it works with any plug from any country | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Venemo: you can flash any firmware on any n9 | 19:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | they're hardware-wise identical | 19:55 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck2, so what's the difference between the different software? | 19:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and the charger just shows up as usb dc current either way | 19:55 |
| Sazpaimon | Venemo, only if the version number is lower than your current version | 19:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Venemo: which social apps included, and carrier BS | 19:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and how quickly you get the ota updates | 19:55 |
| Sazpaimon | so if you have PR1.3 flashed, you'll never, ever, ever be able to reflash with the global firmware | 19:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | (001 is always first) | 19:55 |
| Sazpaimon | ever again | 19:55 |
| Lava_Croft | oh well, flashing 1.3 anyway | 19:56 |
| Sazpaimon | assuming PR1.4 never comes out | 19:56 |
| Lava_Croft | for all i know, fate smiles up on me (right) | 19:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | yeah, everyone should flash pr1.3 001 if they aren't on 001 already | 19:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | otherwise it'll be problematic to switch later | 19:56 |
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| Sazpaimon | s/problematic/impossible | 19:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and some of those regional variant firmwares are true garbage | 19:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i'm not so sure about impossible | 19:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | definitely problematic | 19:56 |
| Sazpaimon | if it was possible to downgrade, we would have done it already on pre-harmattan devices | 19:57 |
| Lava_Croft | well, on paper its possible to downgrade on maemo5 | 19:57 |
| Lava_Croft | you can flash 1.3 on a 1.3.1 device, har | 19:57 |
| Avengence | Sazpaimon: for the few things that dont have a replaceable cord, I have a stack of cheap 2pin us-euro adapters that work just right such that the plug ground pin touches the side contacts (germany) or socket ground (france). if the plug is from any other country, I'll make it replaceable. | 19:57 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck2: ok, I'll just download it from Sazpaimon's link then. | 19:58 |
| Sazpaimon | Avengence, I prefer to keep my house universal | 19:58 |
| Sazpaimon | most of my plugs have universal sockets | 19:58 |
| Sazpaimon | or adapters | 19:58 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck2: maybe take to twitter orso and try to spread the word about the preffered firmware version to install for all users | 19:58 |
| Lava_Croft | or something | 19:58 |
| Sazpaimon | Venemo, keep in mind I dont know where the global EMMC is yet | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | problem is that one of the reasons different sockets exist is that they have different voltage and phase | 19:58 |
| Lava_Croft | It would be really sad if people cant do shit in the future | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | e.g. a dual US + europlug or uk = bad idea | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | lots of modern electronics are dual voltage, but other things usually aren't | 19:59 |
| Avengence | Sazpaimon: since most devices have detachable cords, I prefer to use as few adapters as possible, keep everything close to native, but I do have shit like 110AC circuits running between rooms on extension cords with US power strips to use a few big transformers to cover all the stuff that's not universal input voltage. that shit is the real issue | 20:00 |
| deram | europlug and uk plug have no differencies, and most of the computer appliances cope with 100-240V 50-60Hz anyway | 20:00 |
| Venemo | Sazpaimon: do I need an EMMC image too? | 20:00 |
| Sazpaimon | Venemo, only if you want a fresh phone | 20:00 |
| Sazpaimon | like, factory fresh | 20:00 |
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| Sazpaimon | what's stored on the N9 EMMC anyway | 20:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | lol ZogG_laptop @ your tmo post | 20:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Sazpaimon: the default media files | 20:01 |
| Avengence | deram: are you on crack? no difference? UK plug is the hugest oversize retarded plug ever made, nobody else is dumb enough to use that. to add to the stupid, they fuse the plugs and then leave the house wiring ripe for electrical fire with no/minimal protection | 20:01 |
| deram | Avengence: on electrical level | 20:01 |
| Venemo | Sazpaimon: noting important, why not have a clean device? | 20:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | be advised that flashing the emmc will wipe out your mydocs and settings | 20:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | often that's a good thing | 20:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | just have your stuff backed up though | 20:02 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah I may do thhat if I can find a PR1.3 global EMMC | 20:02 |
| Avengence | deram: thats not plugs, but iirc uk does have a different line voltage than most other eu countries, though it's within gthe tolerance | 20:02 |
| Sazpaimon | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1205/2811/7048829758/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.13-7.SEAP_EMMC_SEAP.bin doesnt work | 20:02 |
| Lava_Croft | thats not global i think | 20:02 |
| Sazpaimon | neither does http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1205/2811/7048829758/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.13-7.NOMAPS_EMMC_NOMAPS.bin | 20:03 |
| Sazpaimon | (from PR1.2) | 20:03 |
| Venemo | so, what else is considered to be part of 001? | 20:03 |
| Sazpaimon | and for shits and giggles, http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1205/2811/7048829758/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.13-7.EMMC.bin | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | also my nespresso machine manual says pretty clearly that it only works with one voltage | 20:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | so that's one reason why dual socket = bad idea :p | 20:04 |
| Lava_Croft | ew nespresso | 20:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | also, you should be able to flash any emmc, then ashcan the maps | 20:04 |
| Avengence | remember, in US we have 220 and 110 in same sockets | 20:04 |
| Sazpaimon | out of curiosity | 20:04 |
| Sazpaimon | what's the difference between ROW and global images | 20:04 |
| Venemo | Sazpaimon, itsnotabigtruck2: how about just using the central european variant? that's supposed to be 001 too | 20:04 |
| Lava_Croft | nespresso and senseo are the enemy of good coffee | 20:04 |
| Sazpaimon | are they exactly the same? | 20:05 |
| deram | Avengence: oh, true UK is in 240 as the standard is actually 230 | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Lava_Croft: nespresso isn't excellent espresso, but it's on par with or better than most cafes around here | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and the cartridges are expensive but so is espresso at a cafe | 20:05 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck2: i know nespresso, we have a machine at work:) | 20:05 |
| Lava_Croft | yes, its like 30eurocents per cart | 20:05 |
| Lava_Croft | at least | 20:05 |
| Lava_Croft | we were spending like 200e a month on coffee when we still used the nespresso all the time | 20:06 |
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| deram | but isn't that fuse in uk-plug just added protection, and there is another fuse in before the wall wiring? | 20:06 |
| Lava_Croft | but the taste is just shit too | 20:06 |
| Venemo | Sazpaimon: I do not know, but there is a central european variant 1.3 (both emmc and other) on navifirm. how about those? | 20:06 |
| Avengence | my transformers take something like 200-20V in out a schuko plug, and on front thres 4 US sockets, 2 output perfect 110AC and 2 perfect 220AC. only imperfection is its still 50hz. relay based tap switching is used to keep the output correct even whebn the input swings wildly | 20:06 |
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| Lava_Croft | we have a WMF now | 20:06 |
| Lava_Croft | had a Jura before that | 20:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Lava_Croft: which cartridges did you use | 20:06 |
| Lava_Croft | at home i use a Bialetti Moka :) | 20:06 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck2: the consumer and the business ones | 20:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i meant, which flavors | 20:06 |
| Lava_Croft | that is, the fatter ones and the disc ones | 20:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | only the strong ones are worth bothering with | 20:06 |
| Lava_Croft | er, voluto, ristresso, decaf | 20:06 |
| Avengence | deram: 230V is the norm for most of europe, but the allowed is 220-240 due to countries that are on those edges | 20:06 |
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| Lava_Croft | yes, i always had ristretto | 20:06 |
| Lava_Croft | 2 carts | 20:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | yeah, the ristretto (black) is good, so is the indriya (olive green) | 20:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | volutto is horrible | 20:07 |
| Lava_Croft | but i use a Moka at home, so i can brew tar at home | 20:07 |
| Lava_Croft | for machines, i prefer full coffee makers like from WMF or Jura | 20:07 |
| Lava_Croft | they go from fresh beans to fresh coffee beverage | 20:07 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck2, Sazpaimon: does it matter whether I flash emmc first or rootfs first? | 20:07 |
| Lava_Croft | its not perfect, but the best for taste/time spent on it | 20:07 |
| Lava_Croft | too bad those machines are so goddamn expensive | 20:08 |
| Lava_Croft | the WMF we have was 2800e | 20:08 |
| Lava_Croft | :| | 20:08 |
| deram | Avengence: yes... and switching power supplys all nowadays accept full 100-240V | 20:08 |
| Avengence | I don't understand coffee. tastes terrible and costs WAY too much. its burned beans made into soup, it costs pennies to make! | 20:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Venemo: no, you can do them in either order or at the same time | 20:08 |
| deram | at least I haven't seen any not supporting for a while. | 20:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i prefer main then emmc | 20:08 |
| Avengence | caffeine itself is cheap. when I want a boost, i put a bit in wahtever. I got 400gram for $13 and I don't see myself running out in my life nless I decide to use the jar to poison an army | 20:09 |
| Lava_Croft | I think first main and then emmc is the advertised way too | 20:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | also superautomatic espresso machines have a massive up-front cost, and other espresso machines are difficult to use and messy | 20:09 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck2: well, yeah | 20:09 |
| Sazpaimon | the closest thing to a global emmc I can find is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1207/0314/7076692982/D8CD54C4_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.13-7.EURASIA_EMMC_EURASIA.bin | 20:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i'm not sure if the savings from not buying expensive cartridges would make up the upfront cost of a superautomatic in my cost model | 20:09 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck2: get a Moka | 20:09 |
| Lava_Croft | best price/quality you can get:) | 20:10 |
| Venemo | Sazpaimon: what's wrong with the central eu variant? | 20:10 |
| Lava_Croft | http://www.bialettishop.com/MokaExpressMain.htm | 20:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | yeah, i've heard ok things about them, though isn't moka output kind of thin and it doesn't have crema | 20:10 |
| Avengence | deram: GOOD switching power suplies are 100-240V full range. most cheap switching supplies, including those used by the OEMs, still have the 120/230 range switch on the back (though often taped over with warning sticker) which switches the voltage doubler | 20:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | because it's low pressure | 20:10 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont mind the crema | 20:10 |
| Lava_Croft | and mine can do 6 cups of espresso, and theres bigger ones too | 20:11 |
| Sazpaimon | Venemo, it's not global, but I guess its the best we can do | 20:11 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck2: i prefer to have the control | 20:11 |
| Lava_Croft | look at it like your computer:) | 20:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | heh | 20:11 |
| Lava_Croft | nespresso is like apple computer:) | 20:11 |
| Lava_Croft | or senseo | 20:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | apart from moka pots and aeropresses, it seems like there's no low initial cost espresso equipment | 20:11 |
| Lava_Croft | fresh flash to 1.3 didnt fix camera either | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and on those coffee forums everybody basically says that you better spend $150 on a grinder and $500 on an espresso machine or you're wasting your time | 20:12 |
| Lava_Croft | nokia care here i really come | 20:12 |
| Lava_Croft | itsnotabigtruck2: haha | 20:12 |
| Lava_Croft | i have a really coffee crazy friend | 20:12 |
| Kozzi | Device upade: update interrupted | 20:12 |
| Lava_Croft | his grinder is this 120 year old wall mount | 20:12 |
| Lava_Croft | and his coffee is god | 20:12 |
| Kozzi | wtf | 20:12 |
| Lava_Croft | the grinder came from fleemarket:) | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | heh | 20:13 |
| Lava_Croft | what matters more is the kind of beans imo | 20:13 |
| Lava_Croft | sad to see how people ruin good coffee machines by using way too fatty beans | 20:13 |
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| Venemo | btw, do we have a proper changelog for 1.3? | 20:13 |
| Lava_Croft | Venemo: not yet, iirc | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Venemo: the changelog would look something like | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | - broke inception | 20:13 |
| Venemo | lol | 20:14 |
| Lava_Croft | Venemo: and since the Nokia guy talked about 1000 improvements | 20:14 |
| Lava_Croft | I think the changelog might take a while | 20:14 |
| deram | Avengence: haven't seen those around here.. but yes, they might exist | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | the only user-facing change i've noticed is that beep mode has an icon on the LP screen and status bar | 20:14 |
| Lava_Croft | i think he just mentioned 1000 improvements so it looks better than apple's usual 200 improvements | 20:14 |
| Venemo | who cares? they could just gimme the commit log frm their scm | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | a la silent mode | 20:14 |
| Lava_Croft | there should be changes to FB and twitter apps | 20:14 |
| Lava_Croft | but i havent bothered to check, thanks to shit camera | 20:14 |
| ieatlint | woo.. installing 1.3 | 20:15 |
| Lava_Croft | guess i have to setup a n900 now | 20:15 |
| ieatlint | i fully expect it to brick my phone | 20:15 |
| Lava_Croft | but the n900 doesnt sync contacts FROM n9 | 20:15 |
| Lava_Croft | directly, via bluetooth | 20:15 |
| ieatlint | and then have a lumia 900 advert | 20:15 |
| Lava_Croft | the other way around works fine | 20:15 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia suite wont back up | 20:15 |
| Sazpaimon | its suck at "updating" on the capacity column | 20:15 |
| Sazpaimon | and wont do anything else | 20:16 |
| Venemo | lol, windows recognizes the N9 as "Nokia N900 usb phone parent" | 20:16 |
| Venemo | in update mode | 20:16 |
| Sazpaimon | probably because you have the N900 drives installed | 20:16 |
| Sazpaimon | *drivers | 20:16 |
| Lava_Croft | i wonder if i can get the contacts that i synced to nokias cloud with the n9, onto my n900 | 20:16 |
| Venemo | nope, flasher installed its own drivers | 20:16 |
| Venemo | anyway, it works. | 20:16 |
| Venemo | :D | 20:17 |
| Lava_Croft | n900 does feel a lot sturdier than n9, meh | 20:20 |
| Venemo | untrue | 20:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | but the n9 has no moving parts apart from the sim tray and usb flap | 20:21 |
| Venemo | the N9 has never creaked for me yet | 20:21 |
| Lava_Croft | it creaked here from day1 | 20:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | that usb flap certainly isn't very sturdy but the n900 had its own usb problems | 20:21 |
| Lava_Croft | i can beatbox creak it | 20:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Lava_Croft: where was your n9 made and when did you purchase it | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | the early batch finnish units were kinda crappy like that | 20:22 |
| Lava_Croft | oh, not that discussion | 20:22 |
| Lava_Croft | keep it away from me! | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | lol | 20:22 |
| Lava_Croft | i read tmo too | 20:22 |
| Lava_Croft | i live in the netherlands, i dont use cheap chinese fake n9 | 20:22 |
| Venemo | also, the N9 is a perpetual motion device. N900 is not. | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | lol | 20:23 |
| Venemo | srsly | 20:23 |
| Venemo | it can spin for minutes. | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | the chinese units seem to actually have a better quality record | 20:23 |
| Sazpaimon | does anyone think the new beep icon is completely unfitting? | 20:23 |
| Venemo | Sazpaimon: dunno, never used beep :D | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | nothing wrong with them, besides political considerations about trade balance and nationalism | 20:23 |
| Sazpaimon | its just the silent icon | 20:23 |
| Sazpaimon | but without the cross through the note | 20:24 |
| Lava_Croft | oh, the political considerations etc dont bother me | 20:24 |
| Lava_Croft | and all that | 20:24 |
| Lava_Croft | im dutch, i go with where the trade/money/profit is | 20:24 |
| Lava_Croft | the new beep icon suggests that the Ringing mode should have some icon with 3 notes orso | 20:25 |
| Venemo | lol | 20:25 |
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| Lava_Croft | so, it seems nokia suite beta still doesnt sync the contacts that i synced to nokia cloud from n9 | 20:27 |
| Lava_Croft | why did i sync them to the cloud then | 20:27 |
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| deram | so you could order them from nokia by asking all your records in their system | 20:28 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 20:28 |
| deram | they probably fax those to you | 20:28 |
| Lava_Croft | im just looking for a way to get them from the nokia cloud and onto my n900 | 20:28 |
| Lava_Croft | but i guess its a n9-only cloud | 20:28 |
| Venemo | Lava_Croft: sync them to google account and sync that from the N900. not sure if it can do that though. | 20:29 |
| Lava_Croft | ill try to sync from nokia cloud to Suite beta | 20:29 |
| Lava_Croft | and then from suite to n900 | 20:29 |
| Lava_Croft | er | 20:29 |
| Lava_Croft | from nokia cloud to n9, from n9 to suite, from suite to n900 | 20:29 |
| Lava_Croft | geez | 20:29 |
| Venemo | lol | 20:30 |
| Lava_Croft | oh, i notice some more 1.3 updates | 20:30 |
| Lava_Croft | now when adding nokia account, it asks to enable Contacts and Syncing right away | 20:30 |
| macmaN | how does the update rollout work. based on some IMEI code segmentation? | 20:31 |
| Lava_Croft | snycing/scheduling | 20:31 |
| Sazpaimon | okay, looks like I need to apt-get -f instal | 20:31 |
| Sazpaimon | some packages are still at PR1.2 | 20:31 |
| azeem | Lava_Croft: isn't it just always showing the preferences for the account? | 20:31 |
| azeem | I get contact and syncing on PR1.2 as well | 20:32 |
| azeem | though no idea about new contact | 20:32 |
| Venemo | macmaN: no. some product codes have different apt repositories | 20:32 |
| Sazpaimon | http://pastebin.com/yfp1sNrf thats a lot of held back packages | 20:33 |
| Lava_Croft | :o | 20:34 |
| Lava_Croft | damn ovi suite | 20:36 |
| Lava_Croft | it doesnt recognize the colour of my n9:) | 20:36 |
| Lava_Croft | now it teases me with a blue n9 | 20:36 |
| Venemo | lol, why do you care? | 20:38 |
| Lava_Croft | aw | 20:38 |
| Lava_Croft | suite doesnt sync the contacts at all | 20:38 |
| Lava_Croft | poo | 20:39 |
| Sazpaimon | ugh | 20:39 |
| Sazpaimon | kernel-modules wont update | 20:40 |
| Sazpaimon | becausie Im using a different directory format for /lib/modules | 20:40 |
| Venemo | hrm | 20:41 |
| Venemo | Sazpaimon: what're you doin? | 20:42 |
| Sazpaimon | fixing this broken OTA upgrade | 20:46 |
| Venemo | ops | 20:46 |
| Venemo | I actually tried upgrading by changing from 005 to 001 | 20:46 |
| Venemo | I removed mp-fremantle-005-pr and tried to install -001-pr but apt was crap and unable to fix the dependencies | 20:47 |
| Venemo | at the end, it just bricked the device | 20:47 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | btw i got inception built on obs, if someone would see if it actually works that would be cool | 20:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/itsnotabigtruck/Harmattan/armel/inception_0.2_armel.deb | 20:49 |
| Venemo | "erasing, this may take a while" takes a lot more than a while. | 20:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Venemo: did you do the --erase-user-data=secure? | 20:50 |
| Sazpaimon | "a while" is a relative term | 20:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | if so, taking a while is expected, it's scrubbing the emmc flash | 20:50 |
| Venemo | yes, and now --erase-mmc=secure | 20:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it's not necessary unless you want to actually obliterate data from there | 20:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | so it can't be recovered | 20:50 |
| Sazpaimon | how many passes does that do | 20:51 |
| Venemo | this stuff actually obliterates the encrypted parititions too. useful when you forget the device lock password | 20:51 |
| Venemo | like I did | 20:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i don't know how many passes or how it works, and nokia hasn't provided any info | 20:51 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia suite is not letting me backup at all | 20:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | you could probably do some reverse engineering if you really wanted to | 20:51 |
| Sazpaimon | it just keeps telling me that it's busy | 20:51 |
| Sazpaimon | busy with what, I dont know | 20:51 |
| Sazpaimon | capacity finally finished | 20:52 |
| Sazpaimon | telling me that I have over 2000 messages | 20:52 |
| Avengence | you only need one pass for flash. the trick to a secure erase with flash is you MUST have direct control. if theres a controller that can remap and you cant turn it off, tehn you CANT do a secure erase | 20:52 |
| Sazpaimon | since I never delete my texts | 20:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Avengence: yeah, that's the thing | 20:53 |
| Avengence | the main speed limit is the horrendous erase time for each section of flash. all you need to do is a full drain on every cell and then erase the page to really wipe out what was there, but the erase is the sloooow part | 20:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and since i don't know what nokia's stuff is actually doing | 20:53 |
| Avengence | since it eMMC, unless they have commands to bypass shit and get to the raw chip, its NOT SECURE | 20:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i'd assume it's probably good enough for casual attackers, but don't rely on it to destroy classified information/your criminal master plan/data that the nsa wants/etc. | 20:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | but since it's the only thing easily available, i'd still recommend using it before returning the phone to nokia or selling it | 20:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and then avoid storing your secrets on it | 20:55 |
| Avengence | yeah, probably at least better than iphone. do the full reset o there that takes an hour, plug it into itunes as new device and go through that crap, then look on it and find old pictures, sms messages, etc. WTF apple | 20:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | btw Avengence: did you get inception 0.2 loaded up | 20:57 |
| Avengence | havent tried | 20:58 |
| Venemo | ok | 20:58 |
| Venemo | after obliterating the stuff, another reflash was necessary. however, now I have a device which seems to be able to boot | 20:58 |
| Avengence | right now I'm just thinking about full reset after getting all the data out. | 20:58 |
| Venemo | Avengence: if your data is in the cloud anyway, what's the matter? | 20:59 |
| Avengence | i've gone through all teh upgrades, maybe better to do a fresh 1.3 flash, incept or go open mode, then load everything back in | 20:59 |
| Avengence | Venemo: my mine is mine, its not in any fucking clouds! | 20:59 |
| Avengence | bleah, my data is mine | 21:00 |
| Venemo | ok | 21:00 |
| Avengence | anyway, real most real useful data doesn't sync out in any sane way if at all | 21:00 |
| Avengence | syncML with a local server and handcrafted profile is the way to get most out, but for the corrupt message mess I need to dump that database, I need to deal with data for a bunvch of apps, see if I can do anything to not redownload all the maps in the world on my capped internet connection, etc | 21:01 |
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| Venemo | hrm | 21:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Lava_Croft: btw the nespresso is a lot better when you pull short shots | 21:06 |
| Venemo | after the reflash, it does not find the cellular network | 21:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i.e. less than 30 mL | 21:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Venemo: uh oh | 21:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | any CMT related errors? | 21:07 |
| Venemo | not that I'm aware of | 21:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | try rebooting or toggling flight mode | 21:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and looking in your dmesg and syslog too | 21:07 |
| Venemo | trying rebooting | 21:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | you could try flashing with --flash-only=cmt | 21:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and the main image only | 21:08 |
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| Venemo | cmt is cell modem firmware? | 21:08 |
| topi` | any idea if there's any harmattan package for netcat? | 21:08 |
| topi` | missing nc from my N9, tough! | 21:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Venemo: yeah | 21:09 |
| Venemo | works after reboot | 21:09 |
| Venemo | yay! :) | 21:09 |
| Sazpaimon | topi`, should be in the rzr repository | 21:09 |
| Sazpaimon | http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/all/netcat_1.10-39_all.deb | 21:10 |
| * rzr runs away | 21:10 | |
| Venemo | Sazpaimon, itsnotabigtruck2: thanks for all your help guys :) | 21:10 |
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| topi` | Sazpaimon: thanks for help, i'll check that out | 21:10 |
| Sazpaimon | you probably need netcat-traditional | 21:10 |
| Sazpaimon | http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/armel/netcat-traditional_1.10-39_armel.deb | 21:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | btw did anyone try that obs incarnation of inception | 21:10 |
| Venemo | what the hell? seems that the nokia account contact sync thing didn't sync all my contacts. MEH. | 21:12 |
| Venemo | it only contained a fraction of my contacts. | 21:12 |
| topi` | there is no /etc/apt/sources file in N9, but a dir sources.list.d ... which file should I edit for adding repos? | 21:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | topi`: put a new file in sources.list.d | 21:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | with the apt lines you need | 21:14 |
| topi` | ah, ok :) | 21:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | also, get inception 0.2 :p | 21:14 |
| Lava_Croft | Venemo: it synced everything here :< | 21:15 |
| Lava_Croft | meh | 21:15 |
| Lava_Croft | except it doesnt sync it to anything else:D | 21:15 |
| Lava_Croft | meh2 | 21:15 |
| rzr | topi`, plz read http://rzr.online.fr/q/harmattan | 21:15 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | rzr: would it make sense to submit inception to your repo | 21:16 |
| Arkenoi | does inception work on 1.3? and there is still no 1.3 for 950? | 21:21 |
| rzr | sure | 21:21 |
| rzr | it is on your obs ? | 21:22 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | rzr: yeah | 21:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i just transmitted 2 requests | 21:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | one of them is a slightly newer hardening-wrapper package (the last that will build for harmattan) | 21:24 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | and Arkenoi: yes, as long as you use inception 0.2 | 21:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | regarding n950, not sure | 21:26 |
| Avengence | itsnotabigtruck2: ideally, with no more updates coming, I'd like to set my phone up with a different partition layout. no fat, just ext4, but whole homedir encrypted so stuff that matters is protected. I loose mass storage mode, oh well. I'm guessing such a thing requires openmode and not just inception | 21:29 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | Avengence: yeah, it's a cool idea | 21:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i thought about that | 21:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it can be done with inception, it's just a lot of work | 21:30 |
| Venemo | Avengence: it may be possible in a similar manner how we could do it on the N900. | 21:30 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | Venemo: but that doesn't go all the way | 21:30 |
| jonni | you can format ext4 quite easily. | 21:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | my ideal setup involves loading a skeleton firmware installation that pops up a password box | 21:30 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | it then mounts the crypted partitions, including the rootfs, and boots that | 21:30 |
| Avengence | I dont know about maemo devices. N9 was my first of the nokia linux devices | 21:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | that's a lot of work but it would be ubercool | 21:31 |
| Venemo | I don't remember the exact parameters, but you can boot the meego bootloader on the device without actually flashing it and that can export the emmc to you as a usb device. then you can repartition with gparted. | 21:31 |
| Venemo | at least this worked on the n900 | 21:31 |
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| Venemo | Avengence: ah, I didn't know. welcome to the club then :) | 21:31 |
| Avengence | I was disturbed to say the least to see what is encrypted (a few important bit adn some junk) and what is left in the clear (entire mail database for example) | 21:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | yeah, the built in crypto features are useless | 21:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | both insecure and insufficient | 21:32 |
| jonni | Venemo: that triggers open mode, but you can just use sfdisk from N9, as its included in default firmware. | 21:33 |
| Avengence | part of my plan is to trash aegisfs | 21:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | keep in mind that aegisfs has some logic that allows programs to check if they're writing to an aegisfs | 21:33 |
| Venemo | jonni: aah, I wasn't aware of that | 21:33 |
| Avengence | I dpont know about the rest of aegis, but I know its encrypted filesystem is NOT what I want to use for my whole homedir | 21:33 |
| Venemo | jonni: so, can I actually resize the partitions on the N9? | 21:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it might be possible however to emulate that with a replacement for aegisfs also based on fuse | 21:33 |
| jonni | Venemo: yes you can | 21:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | also jonni: the clock stopped a few hours ago :p | 21:34 |
| macmaN | so what on earth. why am i persistently unable to ssh into this fresh n9. | 21:34 |
| topi` | rzr: I get download errors from freewater.co.nz ... is this URL from the actions of your script? | 21:34 |
| macmaN | PermitRootLogin yes | 21:34 |
| topi` | it seems to be down. | 21:34 |
| macmaN | AcceptUsers ip ranges are correct | 21:34 |
| macmaN | what else | 21:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | macmaN: log in as developer | 21:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | with the password shown by the sdk app | 21:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | PermitRootLogin is forced to no by the upstart script | 21:35 |
| Avengence | machia: sshd is run with a flaghg that diables root login | 21:35 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck2: yes I noticed, nice catch to invoke debugger env variables :) | 21:35 |
| Avengence | bleah, that was for macmaN | 21:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | there's a workaround but logging in as root isn't a great idea anyway | 21:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | so meh | 21:35 |
| macmaN | itsnotabigtruck2: im trying to deposit my public key for user | 21:35 |
| macmaN | dont remember if setting a passwd for user was safe | 21:36 |
| jonni | people really should anyways change the root's rootme password to something else. :) | 21:36 |
| jabis | haven't ran into troubles with passwd set for user | 21:37 |
| Avengence | for the stuff that asks if its running on aegisfs, it should be easy enough to stub that out with a list of answers for who is asking | 21:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok i found why i can't install update | 21:38 |
| macmaN | ahh, "passwd -u user; passwd user" works just fine | 21:39 |
| Kozzi | ~log | 21:39 |
| infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23harmattan/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. | 21:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: somehow installing system-ui of MohammadAG with inception blocking it | 21:39 |
| jabis | oh noes - wifey started updating her niner - no image in navifirm yet - fingers crossed that everything goes good x) | 21:39 |
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| Kozzi | so flashing with winflasher without emmc file won't empty my mydocs folder ? | 21:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: itsnotabigtruck2 i can't uppdate it says it's already installed from com.nokia.maemo/local and would't replace it with last trusted source com.nokia.maemo | 21:42 |
| jonni | jabis: patience is the key there, even if ota update seems to be stuck, it just takes quite a while time even if progress bar isnt moving ;). I updated my N9 over the air today. | 21:42 |
| jabis | jonni: you do remember the last time - stuck with prior kernel and had to figure out how to enter update mode when booting? x) | 21:43 |
| jabis | so I don't have my hopes too high this time around either :D | 21:44 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: yep, if you have installed /local packages over nokia packages, and want ota update, you first need to uninstall/reinstall nokia packages back. | 21:44 |
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| jonni | jabis: I remember, this time everything went smoothly for me... it only took 1-2hours, almost lost my patience after 30 mins :) | 21:45 |
| jabis | 45% here after ~25mins | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: yeah the problem it priors local more than official and can't uninstall or update to official =) | 21:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: any way to solve it | 21:46 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: thats why I always install my custom packages as com.nokia.maemo and not as local, that way ota updates always work :) | 21:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: how can i do it? | 21:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: or it's too late? | 21:49 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: you could ofcourse just edit refhashlist and restok.conf by hand, and resign the changes (if you know howto). | 21:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | may i incept without the deb again changing the source? | 21:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i would like to see howto or some help from you | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | please remind me as I've forgotton: what exactly was the huge user benefit of all this aegis c***p? | 21:51 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: itsnotabigtruck2 most likely can help you on that. I cannot on political reasons. | 21:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | after i change file do i need to rehash or something | 21:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | he is not here =P | 21:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: at least where is restok file is? | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: i just got back | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | uninstall it then reinstall it | 21:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: i can't uninstall it that's the problem | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | what is 'it' again | 21:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | inception? | 21:54 |
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| ZogG_laptop | system-ui | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | oh great | 21:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | option a) flash it | 21:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: without flashing? | 21:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | option b) uninstall system-ui, forcing the dependencies, then install the original from apt --- could be a bad idea, depending on whether anything bad happens when you uninstall system-ui | 21:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: i need to change it to other source | 21:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | option c) edit /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf and change the source of system-ui to com.nokia.maemo | 21:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | it doesn't give me to uninstall it | 21:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | resign it using ariadne + accli -c tcb-sign | 21:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | you uninstall it through the terminal | 21:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | NOT the gui | 21:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | option c seems like the best approach apart from flashing | 21:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | but you're better off flashing | 21:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | before touching restok.conf you need to make damned sure that you have inception installed and working | 21:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | no flashing till it's dead end | 21:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | including opensh if you haven't upgraded to 0.2 | 21:57 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: i have too much aps from debs i'll ned to reinstall one by one =\ | 21:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ok, then better get working | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flash friggin android, way less trouble than acme-free "maemo" harmattan | 21:58 |
| Sazpaimon | why use opensh or whatever that replacement is when you can use sudo | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | a) ariadne vi /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wait, dump your device prior to that | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | b) / system-ui <enter> | 21:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: i need to install new inception right? | 21:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: for now it's pr1.2 and first inception | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | c) <insert>, then position cursor near com.nokia.maemo/local | 21:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | backspace out the /local part | 21:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | d) <esc> <shift>+ZZ | 21:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | e) ariadne accli -c tcb-sign -F /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf < /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf | 21:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and yeah, upgrade inception and re-run pasiv first | 21:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | once you edit restok.conf you need to successfully resign it with the ariadne accli command immediately afterward | 22:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | do NOT reboot or install a package in between | 22:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | doing so will force a reflash | 22:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | so that's why it's vital that you be sure inception is ready to go before you do it | 22:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: and no way to do it with old inception? | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | you can do it with either | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | the instructions i gave are for new inception | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | because they involve the ariadne command | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Sazpaimon: why use sudo when you can use ariadne :p sudo is a bad choice because it's totally oblivious to aegis | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | because it's entirely based around regular old unix users | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it has a lot more features but they aren't well adapted to harmattan or aegis | 22:02 |
| jonni | just use opensh if your in pr1.2 | 22:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | reflash after all, aegis restarted the phone =) | 22:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ariadne provides the basics, and no one really needs more than the basics in this case | 22:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and, what do you mean ZogG_laptop | 22:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: i'm in pr1.2 with opensh but itsnotabigtruck2 saying i can't sighn /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: wait what | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i don't think i said that | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | if you're in opensh | 22:03 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: ofcourse you can | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | follow the steps i gave but remove the ariadne at the beginning of the cmds that involve that | 22:03 |
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| Avengence | nice, amazon has the projector I want on sale. my free month of amazon prime has a couple days left on it, so free 2 day ship. not quite fast enough though, got to send it to my wife before she flies out of the US friday so she can bring it to me. $4 for the 1day shipping, guranteed to arrive thursday. cha ching | 22:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: that's what i asked about pr1.2 and old inception | 22:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | too late | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: well, why couldn't you just upgrade it before starting | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it works on pr1.2 you know | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | anyway, how's it too late? | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | you have opensh | 22:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | Device not working properly msg =) | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | why did you reboot it? | 22:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | i didn't | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | you said "aegis rebooted it" but i'm not sure what you mean | 22:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | aegis did | 22:04 |
| Avengence | of course the projector is half the price in the US as it is in europe, so that savings almost covers the cost of her plane ticket | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | bloody hell | 22:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | i changed restok.conf and didn't sign tried to reinstall like that | 22:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i haven't ever experienced anything like that, so either you had an unfortunate experience or you didn't carefully follow my instructions | 22:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | oh, well there you go | 22:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i didn't mention all those warnings for shits and giggles | 22:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | i didn't follow last step | 22:05 |
| * itsnotabigtruck2 sighs | 22:05 | |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | well, time to flash it then | 22:05 |
| jabis | you should always follow the instruction given, to the letter x) | 22:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | /usr/sbin/enter_malf: Entering MALF state SECURITY Failed '/var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf' signature check | 22:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | don't flash the emmc, you can keep the rest of your stuff | 22:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and yeah, what happened is that you installed a package then without resigning it | 22:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | which is the cardinal thing you must never ever ever do | 22:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | jabis: true i was confused about ariadne | 22:06 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | when you edit refhashlist/restok.conf you're in a no-man's land until you get everything signed again | 22:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: does NSU flash emmc? | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | because they're checked every time aegis is reloaded | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | no, but just use flasher | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | forget nsu | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | follow the guide i posted on tmo | 22:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | i never used it on linux for n9 only n900 | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | but nsu doesn't work on linux... | 22:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | if you're on linux you can't use nsu, if you're on windows there's no reason to use nsu over flasher | 22:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm on linux but i can boot into win | 22:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~flash | 22:08 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing_N9 | 22:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | so i need to download the image as well? | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | heh, looks ike someone wikified my post | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | yeah | 22:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: is that wiki is your post? | 22:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it's what i posted on tmo, turned into wiki form by someone else | 22:10 |
| Sazpaimon | [15:01] <itsnotabigtruck2> Sazpaimon: why use sudo when you can use ariadne :p sudo is a bad choice because it's totally oblivious to aegis | 22:10 |
| Sazpaimon | sudo is only 4 letters | 22:10 |
| Sazpaimon | ariadne, i cant even begin to remember how to spell that | 22:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | lol | 22:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: and no bin for flasher only packages, gonna check what's inside | 22:11 |
| Sazpaimon | hell, opensh was a pain to type as well | 22:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: well anyway, sorry if i didn't emphasize that enough | 22:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i know flashing is pretty time consuming and annoying | 22:12 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: i have gentoo here | 22:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't remmeber how i flashed n900 as it was long time ago | 22:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck2: i think it would be easy to go to windows | 22:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | just do what you need to do... | 22:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | man gotta do what he needs to do lallalalalala | 22:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | rzr: did you look into importing those packages | 22:14 |
| jabis | 30minutes at 90% losing my patience x) | 22:17 |
| Kozzi | Venemo: did you find out how to get cellular connections ? | 22:18 |
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| jabis | why aren't the 64GB North/Central european images not in navifirm - who's holding 'em back >.< | 22:22 |
| rzr | itsnotabigtruck, yes i just did that | 22:22 |
| Kozzi | anyone know how to fix this: sim not allowed MM #3 | 22:23 |
| Kozzi | Contact your network service provider for details | 22:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hmm | 22:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, did yu had this warning thing i do? | 22:28 |
| Venemo | Kozzi: yep, reboot :) | 22:28 |
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| Venemo | ok. I added a bunch of contacts from my old .vcf files | 22:29 |
| Venemo | how do I get the N9 to sync these new guys up to my nokia account? | 22:29 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG: which warning | 22:30 |
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| Kozzi | Venemo: the third reboot helped with mine | 22:32 |
| Venemo | hm | 22:32 |
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| Venemo | Kozzi: mine needed only one. | 22:32 |
| Kozzi | these updates are helpful with streamlining what apps I need | 22:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | looks like the usual suspects are back to badmouthing inception | 22:33 |
| * itsnotabigtruck2 sighs | 22:33 | |
| Kozzi | always have to reinstall them, so it's a good case to see what is really important :D | 22:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | oh, btw: anyone with rzr's repo can now pkgmgr install -p inception | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and Kozzi: yeah, definitely | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | that's why i'm usually not so concerned about losing apps, because it's a good way to clean out the stuff that isn't needed | 22:35 |
| Venemo | any idea about the syncing thing? | 22:36 |
| Kozzi | Venemo isn't Nokia sync broken ? | 22:36 |
| Venemo | itsnotabigtruck2: +1 | 22:37 |
| Kozzi | I haven't been able to sync anything into or back from nokia sync | 22:37 |
| Venemo | Kozzi: it works, but I don't know how to make it sync up the imported contacts too | 22:37 |
| jabis | still @ 90% -.- | 22:39 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, which version did you use btw from navit? | 22:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | navifirm* | 22:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: pr1.3 is 40.x | 22:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | grab that | 22:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeas but i want global 001 | 22:42 |
| Kozzi | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1205/2811/7048829758/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin | 22:42 |
| Kozzi | ZogG_laptop: use that one | 22:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi, what version is it? | 22:43 |
| Kozzi | PR1.3 variant 001 | 22:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | no country or operator specifications? | 22:43 |
| Sniper_swe | best way to completly remove app? apt-get remove --purge ? | 22:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: just install it :p | 22:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | damn it's 1.2 gb | 22:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Sniper_swe: yeah | 22:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | till i get it would take time =\ | 22:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: yeah, they're big | 22:44 |
| Kozzi | no idea, that's the version everybody seems to use and it has finnish language :| | 22:44 |
| Sniper_swe | thx | 22:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it has all the languages | 22:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i think | 22:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, i jsut didn't do one command =) | 22:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: yeah but there were only 2 steps to the procedure and you skipped the most important one :p | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it's not one command, it's the command | 22:45 |
| Venemo | ~seen w00t_ | 22:45 |
| infobot | w00t_ <~w00t@freenode/podcast/presenter/w00t> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 301d 23h 23m 2s ago, saying: 'GeneralAntilles: the screen you swipe away? after double tap/pressing power?'. | 22:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's coz i misunderstood you | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | :O | 22:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | i asked you if i NEED to update to inception 0.2 | 22:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | i thought airdine or what's the name is tool that do X and i can't do it with old inception | 22:46 |
| jabis | Kozzi: why isn't that listed in NaviFirm? | 22:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | that' all | 22:46 |
| Kozzi | jabis: I have no idea, I had to browse this channel for that link | 22:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: i said you could use either old inception or new inception and suggested that you upgrade inception first | 22:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | first, meaning before you did the file edit | 22:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i also told you specifically not to install packages after doing the edit | 22:47 |
| Kozzi | it's weird that navifirm doesn't have pr1.3 for 059J187 (Finnish variant) but ota update is available | 22:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Kozzi: it's because the images are distributed by product code, while the ota updates are distributed by region code | 22:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and nokia's firmware update distribution is totally bollocksed | 22:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | just download the 001 image for any product code (they're all the same) | 22:48 |
| Kozzi | oh ok good to know | 22:48 |
| Kozzi | there must be something wrong with ovi store | 22:49 |
| Kozzi | none failed download so far and I have 10 apps in queue with 8 apps installed | 22:49 |
| jabis | so I should've downloaded the Belarus variant to get the firmware - cool to know ^^ | 22:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, i don't blame you, i blame me, i just misunderstood | 22:51 |
| jabis | update still @90% jonni was your update stuck at the same percent for the longer period? | 22:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | jabis: jonni probably updated looooong ago, he's nokia staff :p | 22:52 |
| Kozzi | jabis: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85233 | 22:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | sneaky one | 22:52 |
| jabis | itsnotabigtruck2: we were talking about this just about an hour ago :) | 22:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | i just never updated with ota =\ | 22:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | MohammadAG probably ought to plaster some warnings onto the system-ui thread | 22:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i just realized an alternate way to do this: incept the new system-ui over the hacked one | 22:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | then do the rest of the system update | 22:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | that should take care of everything somewhat cleanly | 22:54 |
| merlin1991 | itsnotabigtruck2: well anything replacing system components with inception is bound to wrek havok when a nokia provided update arrives :/ | 22:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | you'd do that with something like: apt-get -d --reinstall install system-ui; incept /var/cache/apt/archives/system-ui_blah_armel.deb | 22:54 |
| Kozzi | was there a sound when you move something into folder before ? | 22:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, lol i wanted to incept new one at the begining btw | 22:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | :( | 22:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, but didnt know how to get deb, as i'm not used for deb distros that much | 22:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | you're right, i didn't read carefully either | 22:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | probably it's something like atp-get download or something | 22:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i was going along the lines of what jonni suggested (my steps were to modify&resign) | 22:56 |
| jabis | ZogG_laptop: I wouldn't've updated yet - just my wife went on with the OTA and now I'll need to fix her phone - again x) | 22:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | jalast time i managed to switch to 001 from command line | 22:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | i changed repo | 22:56 |
| jabis | apt-get -d is download only | 22:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | deleted all the conflict packages one by one while only terminal was working | 22:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | and installed meta | 22:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | jabis, it's too late | 22:57 |
| jonni | jabis: yes procentage was stuck about and hour before it continued. patience is the key. | 22:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | rootfs delete all the apps as well right? =\ | 22:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | not specifying the -d will have unpleasant results | 22:57 |
| Sazpaimon | so like | 22:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | yeah, it's important that you specify the -d | 22:58 |
| Sazpaimon | how can i transfer smses from a csv to my N9 | 22:58 |
| jonni | jabis: I've seen so many people pressing powerswitch becuase they didnt have the patience to wait the update through :) | 22:58 |
| Sazpaimon | im looking at all my old symbian smses, and they seem to be corrupted | 22:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | doesn't the utility that made the CSV have a way to recover them too | 22:58 |
| Sazpaimon | like, they get randomly cut off | 22:58 |
| Sazpaimon | i cant remember what I used, might have been pc suite | 22:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni, it's a pitty your backup manager is not out yet, competition started - time to release =P | 22:58 |
| jabis | jonni: going on from 21.30 the update - so 90 minutes altogether - I'll give it another hour | 22:58 |
| Sazpaimon | i also need to delete the old messages so they dont get duplicated when I restore them | 22:59 |
| jabis | write a script that 1) dumps the messages from tracker-database to a file 2) truncates the table and 3) reads in the messagedata from your csv into it - shouldn't be too hard | 23:01 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 23:01 |
| Sazpaimon | first i gotta figure out why the messages are cut off | 23:01 |
| Kozzi | yup jonni's backup manager would be really handy in this situation | 23:01 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe when I first imported them to my N900 | 23:01 |
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| Sazpaimon | also nokia suite is still not letting me back up | 23:02 |
| Sazpaimon | keeps telling me that it's busy | 23:02 |
| Sazpaimon | busy doing what i dont know | 23:02 |
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| jabis | Sazpaimon: tracker-sparql -q "select nie:plainTextContent(?d) where {?d a nmo:SMSMessage}" > messages.txt | 23:08 |
| jabis | Sazpaimon: for the first part | 23:08 |
| Kozzi | anyone succeeded in syncing contacts with nokia suite ? | 23:09 |
| Sazpaimon | right now I just want nokia suite to tell me what it's busy doing | 23:09 |
| Sazpaimon | so i can back up | 23:09 |
| sahib_ | itsnotabigtruck2: does inception still work in 1.3 or has Nokia patched up aegis? | 23:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | sahib_: both | 23:10 |
| Sazpaimon | is that so hard to ask | 23:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | they patched against the old version so i released the new version | 23:10 |
| sahib_ | itsnotabigtruck2: nice one :-) | 23:10 |
| jabis | itsnotabigtruck2: btw. long overdue thanks - your inceptiveness | 23:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | no prob :) | 23:12 |
| Sazpaimon | msyncd seems to be doing stuff so I guess nokia suite is doing *something* | 23:13 |
| Kozzi | https://twitter.com/melsop74/status/220235286154711040 | 23:17 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | Kozzi: it was inevitable, but still, a real shame | 23:24 |
| Sazpaimon | is Jyrki still at nokia? | 23:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i hope everyone who got dumped by the truckload by nokia got new work lined up ahead of time | 23:24 |
| Kozzi | man it's really sad reading this: https://twitter.com/#!/melsop74 | 23:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | though all the nokia layoffs are going to probably cause a glut of unemployed programmers in fnland | 23:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | *finland therefore causing a problem lining up said new work | 23:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | also now there won't be any new aegis updates for me to counter :( | 23:25 |
| Tronic | itsnotabigtruck2: Surprisingly, there still is a lot of shortage of programmers. | 23:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Tronic: but most of the nokia layoffs haven't happened yet | 23:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | as far as i know | 23:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | wouldn't that mean that said shortage is likely going to dry up soon? | 23:26 |
| Tronic | A lot already have but yes, you have a point there. More importantly, though, programmers are highly specialized and the people from Nokia cannot enter any job. | 23:26 |
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| Tronic | So we'll have a lot of unemployed Symbian programmers who need to retrain for something else. | 23:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | well, real programmers aren't /that/ specialized | 23:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | (yeah yeah, no true scotsman etc. :p) | 23:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | if one's only capable of doing symbian they have more problems than just being out of a nokia job | 23:28 |
| Tronic | Two cities are in pretty big trouble. Oulu, a northern university center where Nokia and other tech companies have been the major employers, and Salo, a small town and the birth place of Nokia (and Nokia obviously being a huge employer there). | 23:29 |
| sahib_ | Tronic: I guess that will have a devastating effect on the local economies, the lay-offs and relative decline of Nokia... | 23:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think when you ar high level of programming something you can program and learn a lot of stuff easily | 23:29 |
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| Tronic | I guess it will also have a major impact on the commercial building market shortly, once those Nokia buildings all around the country start going on sale. | 23:30 |
| Avengence | there's a more important factor than just the language and that's waht are you programming. how many of those former nokia people want to go write dry business apps? not most, but those are a bunch of the jobs out there | 23:31 |
| petteri | heheh, i think i'll buy one of the espoo hq then :P | 23:31 |
| Tronic | 10000+ unemployed we can handle but there is going to be *a lot* of empty office space with no-one to use it. | 23:31 |
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| Tronic | Also, no-one knows the total number of Nokia layoffs at this point. | 23:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAC52Onm-yo&feature=related | 23:32 |
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| Tronic | The company has always used subcontractors a lot and when Elop started firing people, many of them were actually moved to Accidenture rather than fired directly from Nokia. Needless to say, many of them, in addition to the ones already working for those contractors, have been fired since. | 23:33 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: did you manage to get your stuff sorted out? | 23:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | also, http://accidenture.com < lol | 23:34 |
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| Kozzi | :D | 23:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, nope, need to redownload firmware as i have 2 ssd and each one of them 64gb and windows takes about 50, so i had no free space there | 23:38 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | aw, lame | 23:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | says 18 min till end | 23:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | maybe you can economize some space somehow | 23:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, tell me about it, i would buy 2 or 4 new ssd after prices would drop a little as well i have friend from intel with discount | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG_laptop: Got a SD slot? | 23:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, i just need mkfs.ext4 /dev/hda && emerge gentoo =) | 23:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | SpeedEvil, yes, but i deleted few stuff already | 23:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw anyone knows if flickr keeps original images or not? | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | around black friday last year there were some pretty good rebate deals on intel 320s | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | But you can only get them back if you pay them | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i got a 160gb for about $160 | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | $1 a gig ain't bad for ssd | 23:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | so i can redownload them anytime and they would be the same as original one? | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | If you pay for an account. | 23:41 |
| Avengence | that still sound stupid expensive | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Avengence: but they're faaaaaast | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Otherwise, you can only get the 1024x768 I think | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - I point at megaupload. | 23:41 |
| Avengence | last time I paid $160 for a 160gb drive was in 2002 | 23:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | SpeedEvil, and free doesn't right? | 23:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | ZogG_laptop: flickr is for pretentious photographers | 23:42 |
| Avengence | now I buy a 2TB for less than $100 | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | if you aren't a photographer, and/or you aren't pretentious, don't use flickr | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG_laptop: yes | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Flickr is annoying | 23:42 |
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| Avengence | sdd is really fast until you fill it, ten its dog slow until its dead in a few month. garbage | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | flickr makes it deliberately difficult to get at high res images | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | because photographers are generally against high res anything | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | since they're in it for money, not to share their cool work | 23:42 |
| jabis | still @90% | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and high res = high quality reproduction | 23:42 |
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| itsnotabigtruck2 | Avengence: get up to date | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | you need an os that supports the TRIM command | 23:43 |
| Avengence | ALL the photosharing sites make it hard to get at high res so you have to PAY them | 23:43 |
| rzr | <Avengence> sdd is really fast until you fill it, ten its dog slow until its dead in a few month. garbage | 23:44 |
| rzr | please explain | 23:44 |
| Avengence | itsnotabigtruck2: TrIM doesnt do shit to deal with horrendous erase times, it only works if you have huge idle periods and only if you have sufficient free space | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/5237662575/in/photostream | 23:44 |
| rzr | i recently won a ssd drive and using it for a few weeks | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | rzr: when you write something to a sector on an SSD, it maps it to an empty flash block | 23:44 |
| Avengence | and its just masking the problem | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | if you write something to the same sector, it maps it to a new empty flash block | 23:44 |
| Avengence | flash mapped to pretend to be a spinning disk is for motherfucking RETARDS | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | because erasing+writing is slower than just writing | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | the drive doesn't know when a sector doesn't need to be preserved anymore, so it keeps the corresponding flash block around without erasing it | 23:45 |
| Avengence | flash needs to be treated VERY differently. you need to use a filesystem made for flash to make it even acceptable in terms of performance and reliabillity | 23:45 |
| rzr | i didnt know about that yet... slower than mecanical drives ? | 23:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | that means eventually all your writes become erase-writes | 23:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | however, trim solves that | 23:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | trim allows the os to mark sectors as deallocated when files are deleted or overwritten | 23:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | that means the drive can erase them in advance | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | meaning that writes are just writes, not erase-writes, even after extended use | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | but not every os knows about trim | 23:46 |
| Wnt | Is there any applications or tricks to start the flashlight from the lock screen on N9? | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | windows < 7 doesn't support trim, and on linux you need a quite recent kernel | 23:46 |
| Avengence | rzr: erase times for flash block are measure in HUNDREDS of milliseconds. during the erase, the chip cant do ANYTHING unless it has a dedicated erase, in which ase some areas are readable during the erase | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | also if you use encryption software you need a crypto program that doesn't interfere with TRIM | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | itsnotabigtruck: But you don't get 'raw' 200G flash drives. | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | itsnotabigtruck: so you can't do proper flash filesystems. | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | itsnotabigtruck: Point at one (for example) SATA 'raw' flash drive. | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd love 'raw' flash SDs | 23:47 |
| Avengence | SpeedEvil: that's my point. when those are available then I'll be inerested. | 23:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | is it even possible to do that through the existing interfaces | 23:47 |
| Avengence | they do exist but prohibitively expensive for special purposes | 23:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | also i don't think windows knows about flash devices | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | itsnotabigtruck: In principle, probably | 23:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | linux does but it's pretty awkward and only used for embedded devices | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | itsnotabigtruck: It would be a hack though, I don't think there are nice solutions. | 23:48 |
| macmaN | where's the PR1.3 changelog | 23:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | and it's easy on linux to screw up an MTD (memory technology device) hard | 23:49 |
| Avengence | raw flash on ata would need a command extension be be done nice, but could be done now with encapsulation | 23:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | macmaN: there is none | 23:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | there's a fan-made list on a tmo thread | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Also raw flash has the large issue that it would not be portable | 23:49 |
| rzr | macmaN, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1231030#post1231030 | 23:49 |
| macmaN | great. just a claim of "1000 improvements" | 23:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | i think about 500 of those are insignificant tweaks to aegis :p | 23:50 |
| macmaN | :> | 23:50 |
| macmaN | youre da bomb itsnotabigtruck2 btw | 23:50 |
| rzr | each changes is a single bit | 23:50 |
| Avengence | windows desktop didnt know about flash. windows CE knows about flash filesystems and has some support, and there are 3rd party better filesystems for it too. i vaguely remember the TFAT designed first as a crappy flash filesystem for CE is now in desktop windows (at least some versions) | 23:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, SpeedEvil i'm not real photographer but i bought 550D to learn a little bit and want to kee originals, but do not want trash hard disk | 23:50 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines someone dropped the root key on there. | 23:50 | |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | windows ce isn't windows | 23:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | if you've ever done anything with wince that becomes painfully obvious | 23:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it'll make you wince ;) | 23:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni, btw i wonder how it would be problematic to ex-nokians to help with cssu and community? | 23:51 |
| Avengence | i've winced too long and hard | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ?? on where? | 23:52 |
| Avengence | i know that difference in kernel, I also know the api similarity between win32 and wince, and I know which things have been shared which way when | 23:52 |
| Avengence | i wish I didn't | 23:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | heh | 23:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | the APIs are only similar enough to get one into trouble | 23:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | making it really really painful to port from windows to wince | 23:53 |
| Avengence | some are massive copy n paste | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: latest firmware - I was being silly. | 23:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | also lol rzr | 23:53 |
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| Avengence | the smartcard stuff is barely changed for example | 23:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | well, the windows smart card api's almost an "industry standard" now | 23:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | the linux smart card library's api is a copy-paste from windows too | 23:55 |
| Avengence | bit desktop and ce have a only half working smartcard subsystem. it gets rather obvious when you see how large a code block is wrapped in a #if 0/#endif | 23:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | (pcsc-lite) | 23:55 |
| Avengence | almost all that code came from a hardware vendor along with device drivers. at least in wince, many hardware subsystems are a mismatch of code taken from various chip and board makers | 23:56 |
| Sazpaimon | oh and by the way, nokia suite STILL wont let me back up | 23:56 |
| Sazpaimon | "herp derp Im still busy" | 23:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | Sazpaimon: lol | 23:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | can't you exit/kill it and start it again | 23:56 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck2, yes, i can, and I have' | 23:56 |
| Sazpaimon | this is my 10th try | 23:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | :/ | 23:56 |
| Sazpaimon | on both rebooting the phone and restarting nokia suite | 23:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | it's kind of a wonky piece of software but it's never been that bad imx | 23:57 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe the fact that I have over 3000 smses is causing it | 23:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | not over nine thousand? | 23:57 |
| Sazpaimon | actually over 3800 | 23:57 |
| Sazpaimon | no, sadly my SMS library only goes back to 2009 | 23:57 |
| Avengence | I ended up writting around a huge portion of code and also essentially rewritten (minus bugs) everythign that was #ifdefed out, all into the driver. in the end the driver for the smartcard reader could be used in regular of full bypass mode b/c only i full bypass did it work right | 23:57 |
| azeem | my sms library goes to 2001, but it's in a custom format, hrm | 23:58 |
| Avengence | then of course we wrote all the capi stuff both to go to pcsc and to go bypass route and eveyrthing has to use our capi provider to to pcsc bypass and have proper card operation | 23:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | at per-message rates that ends up being almost $1000 in smses | 23:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck2 | damned carriers | 23:59 |
| azeem | anybody else seen problems with SMS conversations messed up after the PR1.3 update? | 23:59 |
| azeem | somebody reported an issue, wonder whether it's a PR1.3 issue or local | 23:59 |
| Avengence | oh damn am I glad to say I'm not a part of that for quite a long time now. smartcards are a pita becausae of FRENCH. and everything elsse around them ends up being broken/crappy | 23:59 |
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