IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2012-07-02

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rzrwelcome back e-yes00:17
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Elleo <-- Tizen apps (partially) running on Harmattan :)01:47
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ZogG_laptopElleo: you did it02:01
Elleoyep :)02:01
Elleoit's a bit hacky in places and only implements a tiny bit of the api so far02:02
Elleobut it shows the concept works02:02
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Arieemyei: hey08:54
emyeihi Arie08:55
Arieemyei: whats up08:57
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emyeiworking hard09:01
Arieemyei: welcome to #harmattan09:04
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gabriel9|workanyone installed php on N9 :)11:18
gabriel9|worki go on vacation11:18
gabriel9|workand i don't want to be bored to death11:18
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rigogabriel9|work, not me, but I installed vi11:48
gabriel9|workdid you try GCC?11:49
rigoand if you're bored, start a discussion of PHP vs Web Services11:49
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alteregoPHP as web services? :P11:49
Lava_CroftSo, according to Nokia Care Netherlands, pr1.3 arrives the end of the week11:49
gabriel9|workthen 1.411:49
Lava_Croftnope :<11:49
Lava_Croftno troll :<11:49
rigoI'm sorry, it's the weather, I sear it's the weather that makes me troll11:50
infobotrigo meant: I'm sorry, it's the weather, I swear it's the weather that makes me troll11:50
gabriel9|workno one is troll :)11:51
rcgis there somewhere an overview which pulseaudio streams/devices/sinks whatever are available on harmattan?11:57
rigobut I have another real issue: Whenever I try to change folder in the fenix-mailer, it crashes. After removing kontact-mobile, I force-reinstalled it to override library conflicts, But to no avail. As soon as I touch the folder button, fenix disappears without leaving the slightest trace11:57
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rcgalright, seems like the files in /etc/pulse are pretty helpful ;)12:10
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gabriel9|workdoes anyone used N9 for coding apps for N9 ?13:05
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gabriel9|worksomething like AIDE(
gabriel9|workis it even possible?13:06
sahib_gabriel9|work: sounds like a major pain in the a**13:08
gabriel9|worki tried AIDE and it works nice13:08
gabriel9|workbluetooth keyboard and code and try in the same time :)13:09
Jaffagabriel9|work: Khertan probably has13:11
JaffaLava_Croft: According to Twitter, it's already started rolling out - but I'm not sure13:12
gabriel9|workdid Khertan write somewhere about it?13:14
Lava_CroftJaffa: Let's hope so! I need PR1.3 to fix the broken camera. :<13:14
gabriel9|worki don't have update yet13:14
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Lava_CroftAlso 'lol' at Nexus7 tablet costing 100euro more in the EU than it does in the USA13:15
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Jaffagabriel9|work: Not sure, I'll dig out his blog. But he's previously written on-device editors & packagers and has released them for Harmattan IIRC13:15
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JaffaLava_Croft: Handy trip to Portland, OR, USA for OSCon coming up next month :-)13:15
Lava_Croftfriend of ours sends us the tablets we ordered:)13:15
Jaffagabriel9|work: There's definitely stuff.13:16
gabriel9|workok, i will digg it13:16
JaffaLava_Croft: Would be interested in hearing your thoughts on it when it arrives13:16
JaffaLava_Croft: Ah, pictures on Twitter are apparently "older leaks":
SpeedEvilLava_Croft: taxes, solely13:17
SpeedEvilLava_Croft: At least in the UK13:17
Lava_Croftshit is just more expensive in EU, little to do with taxes13:18
SpeedEvilLava_Croft: 199$+import duty + VAT = less than the selling price in the UK13:18
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SpeedEvil2 pounds cheaper - specifically13:19
SpeedEvilxmlich02: That will clearly secure teh future of the harmattan platform.13:20
SpeedEvil(good luck for all applicants though)13:20
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rzr 1136 EUR14:50
rzrthis is insane14:52
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koehehe, collector's item14:54
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jonniif you sell your device, you can get few android devices for it ;-)14:58
Lava_Croftwhat good would that do:<14:58
jonnithen you would have device on platform which isnt dead yet :)14:58
Lava_Croftthis platform isnt dead14:59
Lava_Croftand being 'alive' doesnt make android any less horrible:)14:59
jonniI'm trolling ;-)14:59
Lava_Crofti know, so am i!14:59
Lava_Crofti sold galaxy crapsux for N914:59
jonniI wouldnt mind if someone would donate me nexus 7 :)15:00
Lava_Crofti got one coming from the USA15:00
Lava_Croftas opposed to 250euros once it releases here in holland15:00
Lava_Croftfor that price, i can get 3x nexus7 for less than the price of a single ipad315:01
Lava_Croftlol nokia beta labs15:02
Lava_Croftthey post about nokia suit n9 compat15:02
Lava_Croftbut the list of shit that doesnt work is just lolong15:02
jonniyou missed the part where it said 'beta' ;)15:03
Lava_Crofti think i missed the part where they state what does work15:03
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Tronic"I have received first hand accounts for the upcoming article on Maemo/MeeGo/Harmattan development and it's been sad to read. Intentional slowing down of development by the management level, competing teams (Symbian), partners (Intel), bureaucracy (getting one line of code accepted took two months), difficulties in UI design for portrait/landscape, developers' improvement suggestions were difficult to get processed and in the ...15:22
Tronic... end no-one bothered to make them at all (too much control killed creativity and innovation), pieces were coded abroad and then rewritten from scratch in Finland. Additionally, information on Nokia's MeeGo release strategy and five MeeGo devices in development, including a tablet."15:22
TronicSampsa Kurri (one of the leading IT journalists in Finland) is preparing a story on MeeGo and asks for people to break their NDAs and submit him details of what happened inside Nokia.15:23
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ArieTronic: i want marko's story15:24
ArieTronic: he is the one that was driven and passionate about all this15:24
rigoLava_Croft: +10015:24
TronicIf you have something to say, email him Sources will remain anonymous (protected by the law in Finland).15:25
TronicThe relevant forum thread (in Finnish):
SpeedEvilTronic: that seems interesting.15:26
SpeedEvilI am willing to break my NDA, to further understanding, but...15:26
TronicThere's also Sampsa's GPG key on the last page of the thread, in case you want to encrypt the message...15:26
* SpeedEvil has no clue as to anything interesting.15:26
Lava_Croftrigo: ?15:27
Lava_CroftTronic: sounds promising!15:27
Lava_Croftin a sad way15:28
rigoto <Lava_Croft> and being 'alive' doesnt make android any less horrible:)15:28
Lava_Croftah :)15:28
rigoI abandoned android for privacy reasons15:28
Lava_Croftandroid drove me quite mad in less than a week15:28
rigobut I'm paranoid anyway15:28
Lava_Croftand im spoiled with maemo15:28
TronicIf you know someone from Nokia Ulm, please spread the message. I'm sure something interesting could be found from there as well but the original request doesn't reach outside Finland unfortunately.15:28
Lava_Croftif i cant find a music player that can play icecast streams in 2 days15:28
Lava_Crofti think i should not bother with the platform ;)15:29
rigoandroid is just a frontend to spying google cloud services, not more, but not less15:29
Lava_Croftoh, i dont really care about that15:29
rigoandroid without google is like car without wheels15:29
Lava_Crofti just care about how it feels so hacky and patchy15:29
Lava_Croftand how i sported an awesome dualcore beast of a phone15:29
Lava_Croftyet it felt less smooth than my n90015:29
rigothat too, but it seems it has improved. My HTC was unable to give me a prompt before the call was timed out15:30
rigobut the K9 mailer was decent and fenix isn't15:30
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SpeedEvilGoogle translate is silly.15:39
SpeedEvilThe  signs were already visible from the 2003-2004 issues of response among  the last (color screen, polyphonic ring tones, shellfish, etc.)15:39
SpeedEvilMade me ponder for a while. :)15:40
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Corsac [haha]17:15
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SpeedEvil'we have a complete licence to WinCE5'17:26
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JaffaCorsac: Yeah, but it sounds like he's talking about other non-mobile phone business lines.17:34
SpeedEvilInternet tablets!17:35
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* SpeedEvil is waiting for his new internet tablet.17:38
SpeedEvilThough it will be from google.17:38
Lava_Croftim getting that piece of crap too17:40
Lava_Croftat 150e, its a sale17:40
SpeedEvilI know what the e means :)17:42
SpeedEvilI was wondering which market it was being sold in at 150e17:42
Lava_Croftit will be released in the Netherlands in august17:42
Lava_Croftand sell for 250e17:42
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SpeedEvilOh - I hadn't quite realised the exchange rate17:42
SpeedEvilI thought it was closer to parity than that.17:43
Lava_Croftsadly not17:43
GeneralAntillesWell, they keep printing more dollars.17:43
GeneralAntillesThe EU has, so far, been hesitant to do that.17:43
SpeedEvilI note that the price in the UK is 2 pounds less than 199 dollars * import duty * VAT17:43
SpeedEvilI guess I last bought euros when it was about parity17:45
SpeedEvil(with the $)17:45
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Lava_Croftits not just about that17:49
Lava_Croftshit is just more expensive here17:49
Lava_Croftsame goes for general computer hardware17:49
ZogG_laptopwhat is the name of mail client on n9?17:49
phakoShould rather be called ashes17:50
Lava_Croftlike modest is rottest17:50
GeneralAntillesLava_Croft, taxes.17:51
GeneralAntillesShit isn't "just more expensive"17:52
GeneralAntillesAlso regulations.17:52
Lava_Croftwhat does that result in17:52
Lava_Croftshit just being more expensive17:52
GeneralAntillesBut it's more expensive for a reason.17:53
GeneralAntilles(A self-inflicted one)17:53
Lava_Croftof course it is17:53
Lava_Croftnobody ever stated otherwise17:53
GeneralAntilles"its not about that"17:53
GeneralAntilles"shit is just more expensive here"17:53
GeneralAntillesClearly that's "otherwise".17:53
Lava_Croftthats an odd quote17:53
Lava_Croftleaving out the word 'just'17:53
deramUS originated shit tends to be more expensive in EUR area than taxes and excange rates state17:55
GeneralAntillesBecause they have to comply with EU regulations (like mandatory warranty minimums)17:56
chem|stGeneralAntilles: that is consumers only17:56
chem|stbut you don't even get stuff as company17:56
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Lava_Croftamericans hate socialized medicine17:57
Lava_Croftbut sociliazed consumption is just fine17:58
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: I note that the UK price is less than the US price (after tax)17:58
SpeedEvil(With EU warranty)17:58
GeneralAntillesLava_Croft, tell that to the Greeks.17:59
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GeneralAntillesThe Nordic countries have the benefit of highly homogenized populations.17:59
GeneralAntillesLava_Croft, but you are more than welcome to have at your political system.17:59
Lava_CroftNordic countries make up only a tiny part of the EU17:59
GeneralAntillesKindly keep it away from me, however.18:00
GeneralAntillesLava_Croft, yes, and the EU is in the process of crumbling.18:00
Lava_Croftyes, everybody is an expert on politics these days18:00
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, pounds are doing better than USD.18:00
Lava_Croftjust like everyone is an expert on smartphones18:00
Lava_Croftand computer games18:00
deramwell, I've seen even internet based service subscriptions to be $9.99 in US and 9.99e or 9.99£ in europe18:00
GeneralAntillesLava_Croft, you don't know me, friend. :)18:00
Lava_Crofttry preaching to someone else, im not very interested18:00
GeneralAntillesGlad we got that sorted.18:02
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trenchnew version out18:20
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Lava_Croftold pictures of some in-house testing version of the update18:22
Lava_Croftignore them18:22
Lava_CroftBut the update should be near (should could would)18:22
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: are you russian? =)18:24
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ZogG_laptopvi_: is your address thing sorted out?18:25
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Lava_CroftZogG_laptop: naw18:26
ZogG_laptopi just know this site, how you got there =)18:27
Lava_Croftvia twitter18:27
ZogG_laptopoh right18:28
ZogG_laptopit's logical, just didn't thought of it18:28
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Lava_Crofti have a huge vegetable factory behind my house tho18:30
Lava_Croftand a shitload of Polish people work there18:30
Lava_Croftand Poland is next to Russia18:30
Lava_Croftso in a way im connected to Russia much like that US Teapart lady who said she has foreign relatations experience because she could see Russia from Alaska18:30
phako"next to russia" is an interesting term for that short bit of now-russian part of east-prussia18:32
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Lava_CroftMind you, im Dutch18:32
Lava_Croftand mostly oblivious to any sensitivities regarding Russia and Poland18:32
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Tronicrigo: I know what it is:
Elleothe fallback is Windows Mobile 621:57
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rigoTronic: LOL22:02
Lava_Croftnokia can always go back to another very promising business22:03
Lava_Croftmaking paper22:03
vladestTronic: plan B? :)22:05
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M4rtinK2or tires :)22:21
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK2: where is the first one?22:29
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M4rtinK2ZogG_laptop: killed by a storm yesterday :)22:39
M4rtinK2I mean, the connection :)22:39
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piggzrather dissapointed by the amount of PR1.3 tweets in my stream today, to find out it was all rubbish! :)23:13
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Corsacpiggz: it should be out by mid-june!23:17
tommanext year?23:18
Corsacwhy so soon?23:20
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