IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2012-06-29

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ZogG_lap1opitsnotabigtruck: is pr1.3 out there? =)03:40
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ZogG_lap1opitsnotabigtruck: i miss this question =\03:40
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itsnotabigtruckZogG_lap1op: lol03:52
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herdingcathi, is that worth buying N9 now?08:13
itsnotabigtruckherdingcat: perhaps, if you can get a good price on it (definitely no more than $300)08:17
itsnotabigtrucknokia's more or less abandoned it and the dev community isn't exactly thriving08:18
itsnotabigtruckbut it's still probably the best linux phone available08:19
itsnotabigtruckand it looks cool too08:19
herdingcatitsnotabigtruck, I'm from China actually the price is fair to me. I know the development is almost dead but hope community can do sth.08:20
itsnotabigtruckwell, if you get one, put inception on it08:22
itsnotabigtruckalso consider flashing it from the chinese firmware (variant 003) to the w. europe firmware (001)08:22
* herdingcat sighs08:23
itsnotabigtruckthough you'll lose the chinese social apps (but gain the western social apps)08:23
itsnotabigtrucki think it's possible to install everything though onto the 001 firmware08:23
herdingcatitsnotabigtruck, I don't care about social stuff there. I'm a sysadmin, so does N9 support Cisco VPN client?08:23
itsnotabigtrucki think somebody was working on hacking something like that together08:25
itsnotabigtruckcisco's vpn system is proprietary garbage anyway, but that doesn't help you get connected to it08:25
itsnotabigtruckfor that matter connecting to any sort of vpn isn't easy on the n908:25
herdingcatitsnotabigtruck, I may use openvpn w/ my token, just the chars size is too small.08:27
itsnotabigtruckafaik openvpn works ok but with zero gui support08:28
itsnotabigtruckif you intend to remote into stuff this is probably the wrong phone to use08:28
itsnotabigtruckor just use a laptop for such things08:29
herdingcatitsnotabigtruck, hmm, why noe?08:31
herdingcatitsnotabigtruck, hmm, why not?08:31
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dm8tbrherdingcat: I'd expect vpnc to work under harmattan too.08:47
herdingcatdm8tbr, do you have thought?08:57
pawky|2anywhere one can download a vpnc package nowadays?08:57
pawky|2doesn't really look like N9 package to me...08:59
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pawky|2has nobody compiled and packaged it for the N9 yet?09:01
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herdingcatpawky, you can use the Debian source, it would be good09:02
herdingcatpawky, I guess.09:02
dm8tbrshouldn't be too hard really09:02
dm8tbrgetting it access to the right aegisfoo categories might be more challenging ;)09:03
dm8tbrbut there just compare with the openvpn package09:03
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jonnipawky|2: I've compiled vpnc for harmattan, works nicely and I can connect to my work just fine.09:07
pawky|2link? :-)09:07
jonnipawky|2: just havent released it yet, as Im still thinking should I release it as update to coding competition ;)09:08
herdingcatjonni, recompile?09:08
pawky|2jonni:secret link? :-)09:08
jonnisecretlink..../vpnc_0.5.3+rev517_armel.deb    ;) just wait a while and it might get released.09:19
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dm8tbrjonni: you'll be a hiro! ;)09:30
infobotdm8tbr meant: jonni: you'll be a hero! ;)09:30
pawky|2jonni: yeah, wny not.. I have been waiting for a year already, another couple of months might not change much. If you need a beta tester however, you know who to page :-)09:38
jonnihmm yes, I might need betatesters, package should work just fine, but I havent been testing postrm/uninstall script that much yet.09:39
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pawky|2jonni:coun't me in :-)09:43
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jonniZogG_lap1op: postman just rang my doorbell, I'm all smiling now :)09:52
rantomjonni: Got a N9(50)?09:54
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jonnirantom: N95009:54
rantomjonni: Congrats09:55
chem|stjonni: ehrm I know the guys who wrote it personaly, was it that a big issue to port it? if not you should consider it not your work...09:56
jonnichem|st: which app you mean?09:56
chem|stjonni: vpnc09:56
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chem|stjonni: that is unix workgroup material, one wrote it another one ported it to maemo and stuff09:57
jonnichem|st: vpnc from nortel svn:n repos latest revision, basicly crosscompiles without problems, only real work in that is to debianize it and make the aegis manifests.09:57
chem|stjonni: and you fwd it to coding competition?09:58
chem|stjust wondering09:58
chem|stif they recognize "packaging" for coding competition fine...09:59
jonnichem|st: havent decided, coding competition accepts updates and ports to that update category, so anyone can port vpnc and release it there. But sure I would prefer that the guys who are official maintainers of vpnc would port it and release it.09:59
jonnichem|st: but its been over an year and vpnc guys still havent released vpnc to harmattan10:00
chem|stjonni: that is what I thought10:00
chem|stjonni: that is because only 2 weeks ago the first n9 hit the workgroup afaik10:00
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chem|stdon't know if script got a n950 but if it would have been ported a year ago10:01
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jonnichem|st: sure I can wait untill the last day of the competition and only release it then, if they havent managed to release it by then themselves :)10:01
chem|stjust ask him10:01
chem|st~seen script10:02
infobotscript is currently on #maemo, last said: 'sry .. E_WRONGCHAN ...'.10:02
chem|stI actualy don't know if there were any maintainer changes lmc10:02
chem|stjonni: ok the current maintainer is non of our workgroup, at least I do not recognize his name10:04
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chem|stah he is one of linux-tage.de10:05
chem|stI doubt he will update/upgrade it10:06
chem|stscript and Niggurath were the original two guys back in the good'ol days10:06
chem|stjonni: forget that I mentioned it, you may be kind enough to drop philipp an email...10:07
jonnirev517 commit was done by Antonio Borneo, havent figured out where he is located yet.10:09
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jonniatleast svn log shows that he has done all the latest commits.10:11
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jonnichem|st: quick google shows him to be working STMicroelectronics in china, do you know him?10:12
chem|stjonni: not personaly, I guess I know some people he knows and we probably met some years ago but I just don't recognize his name :)10:13
chem|stah you mean antonio borneo?10:14
chem|stno then10:14
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Dr_Idoes any one have a spare N95010:35
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chem|stDr_I: nokia has some10:42
befordcommunity council has some10:43
chem|stthem too10:43
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Dr_IGood to hear10:50
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jonniheh, I've won two N950's this month from different competitions... and I still plan to do 3 competition entries for different categories for coding competition... :)10:57
chem|stjonni: ehrm pls consider to donate one of them10:57
jonnior just put it on ebay so someone can enjoy it :)10:59
jonnibut its nice to have as many backup devices as possible, as they will surely break down at some point, and without backup devices one would be forced to switch to samsung or apple.11:01
chem|stjonni: that is pretty much what I consider to be not the right way11:01
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chem|stjonni: I'd like to have both n950 and n9, for reward I chose n9 as that is the base working for...11:03
chem|stwell do what you want11:03
jonnimost likely I just give it to my wife as she loves hw keyboard. I already have 3 N9's so I have enough backup devices for that.11:03
chem|st*sigh* sounds like device hording11:05
jonniin a year it will most likely be harder to get hands on working devices, so better to stock up while its still possible.11:06
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chem|stin a year you will get used devices on ebay, like you get n900s now11:07
chem|stat least it is a way to show nokia that lumia sucks... buying n9s in packs of 10...11:08
jonnilumia has beatiful design... :)11:13
rantomYou can get Lumia 900 for 0.01 $ in Amazon, I think, now. It requires AT&T though, AFAIK11:21
rantomBackup N9 would be nice, preferably in white..11:22
b00^wkthey sell a cheaper pink version here ...11:23
rantomIf I'd happen to break my black 64 Gb N9 I'd probably swap the housing to cyan, if it'd fit11:24
b00^wki cracked screen on my black 64Gb N9 :(11:24
b00^wkthose 64gb ones did not go down in price, funny11:24
rantomReplacement parts are popping up though so that shouldn't be an issue?11:25
b00^wkthe 16gb pink one goes for like half price11:25
rantomb00^wk: Yeah right. My N9 cost approx. 700 €11:25
rantomNow it costs what, 400 €11:25
b00^wkwell i had a plan to get that pink one and take screen out11:25
rantomThanks, Nokia...11:25
b00^wkno, thats outdated upopular phone11:25
b00^wkun-android :)11:25
b00^wki think i should go get that pink one .. while they still have it11:26
rantom this is what I could think of Nokia when I noticed the price drop...11:26
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pawky|2jonni: can I buy one N950 from you? :-)11:27
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rantomb00^wk: Hmm. I was wrong. The black, 64, did drop in price, but for some reason the white did not drop, or not as dramatically11:30
b00^wk300 eur for 16gb one - is that ok or too much now days ?11:31
b00^wki would like to pay 150 rather ...11:31
rantomNot bad, I think11:31
rantomLumia is 399, IIRC11:31
rantom(Lumia 800, I mean)11:31
b00^wkcan you put Harmattan on Lumia 800 ?11:32
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b00^wksomeone told me you can use a hammer  on that Lumia's screen - it won't break ..11:32
hiemanshuthats untrue11:49
hiemanshubut you can use it as a hammer for light jobs11:49
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chem|stmerlin1991: valuable?!14:03
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Lava_Croftmerlin1991: heh14:11
Lava_Croftsmall but valuable14:11
Lava_Croftthey better fix the camera14:11
Lava_Crofti dont give a hoot about nfc14:11
merlin1991Lava_Croft: I meant nfc #maemo style14:13
infobotsomebody said nfc was No Fucking Clue, or near field communications14:13
Lava_Croftno fucking clue:D14:14
Lava_Croftthat nfc14:14
merlin1991the former in this case :D14:14
Lava_Croftthey really need to fix the camera14:14
Lava_Croftim leaving my n9 at home now:<14:14
Lava_Croftbut just the fact that 1.3 might actually arrive is nice enough14:14
merlin1991what's wrong with the camera?14:15
merlin1991my main problem is, that in my model the rtc is nuts14:16
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merlin1991phone turned off for a day or two results in a time delta to realtime of about 4 hours14:16
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Lava_Croftthey broke the camera in software14:16
Lava_Croftapparently between a beta and the actual pr1.214:16
Lava_Crofta lot of times it just doesnt respond at all, or responds after a minute orso14:17
Lava_Croftand it performs badly a lot of the time, choppier than n90014:17
Lava_Croftor it starts up, shows image and after 5 seconds quits responding14:17
Lava_Croftetc etc :<14:17
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Jaffamerlin1991: Lava_Croft: Seen the blogs aggregating what users hope/want/expect to see in PR1.3? Such classics as "USB OTG support", "Ability to run Android apps", ...14:52
Jaffa"VPN support" and "Editing [MS] Office files" are also fun:
merlin1991Jaffa: one gotta love it how all those "rumor" blogs quote each other and add some more speculation untill the last blog has a huge 100% wrong entry :D14:56
Jaffamerlin1991: Yup14:56
ZogG_lap1opJaffa: i want printing money addon for n914:56
jonnifunny list, might as well put x-ray camera, bluetooth 4.0, teleportation device :)14:57
JaffaZogG_lap1op: I heard somewhere that there might be a printing money addon for n914:57
ZogG_lap1opJaffa: cool, cool, cool. Would it be updated to making coins in pr1.4 ?14:57
merlin1991I only found out the other day, that the document viewer on harmattan can view .doc files14:57
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: wait ,so i thought you are new guy, but you was at TMO from '07 i see14:58
merlin1991though it has some difficulties placing headers at the right place :D14:58
ZogG_lap1opi don't use docs14:58
ZogG_lap1opespecially on the phone14:58
rigoZogG_lap1op, why don't you create a company and grab all those devs and create a new ecosystem? That is printing money in a niche between Winfon, Androit/Google-Frontend and iPhone14:58
ZogG_lap1opthough some teachers leep doing it14:59
ZogG_lap1oprigo: shhhhhh, why are telling it in front of everyone14:59
ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: i have dual boot with win on laptop just for office and visual studio15:00
merlin1991ZogG_lap1op: in the company I work design / requirement docs usually come in .doc form15:01
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merlin1991management / our partners are a bit odd15:01
ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: and they use faxes =)15:01
ZogG_lap1opthere are certain things in the world that should die but they keep on fighting for existence15:02
ZogG_lap1oppdf can be opened anywhere on anything today and properly15:02
merlin1991ZogG_lap1op: worst thing regarding faxes / whatever is our university15:02
ZogG_lap1opyou can select text and make it unselectable15:02
merlin1991the meeting minutes of one of the important gremiums are done in a pdf15:03
ZogG_lap1opi think pdf is good15:03
merlin1991but they can't send last meetings minutes to everyone because the archived file is A SCAN OF THE PRINTED PDF15:03
ZogG_lap1opand i think odf should be worked on harder and be used as international format in any company15:03
ZogG_lap1opnot because i love opensource (and i do) but because it would be pened in any OS with any operation system and anyone can get free tools to work with it15:04
merlin1991so the file in question which one can dl from the servers i like 5MB for 2 pages of meeting minutes15:04
ZogG_lap1opwhile some people just need to open doc once need to buy the whole moffice15:05
ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: scan of printed pdf? WTF?15:06
ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: it's like to rewrite fro printed page to your hand writing and print it like that =) why? if you already have the original15:07
ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: why it can't be shared ower some company server/school server?15:08
merlin1991well they share the scan ove the university server15:08
merlin1991the friggin scan15:08
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ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: i got 17 pnts grade for programming exam, you know why, because of F#$%#@ windows15:10
merlin199117 pnts of how many?15:10
ZogG_lap1opi was at 4hour exam when i had to finish the C++ program15:10
ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: listen to whole story15:10
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Lava_Croftthat sounds like an awfully unstable argument to make15:10
ZogG_lap1opso i made "save as..." to other partition as we have one shared with queston and one per student to put answers15:11
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ZogG_lap1opso made save as and after that i made save only as i though it would save at new destanation like any other normal app15:11
Lava_Croftthat works fine on my Windows15:12
ZogG_lap1opso i apperantly send file i worked on for 30 minutes15:12
ZogG_lap1opwhen the whole exam was 4 hours15:12
ZogG_lap1opso i got 17 / 10015:13
Lava_Croftsounds like meh bug in application15:13
Lava_Croftnot windows itself:<15:13
ZogG_lap1opLava_Croft: it's visual studio15:13
Lava_Croftthats not Windows15:13
Lava_Croftits Visual Studio15:13
ZogG_lap1opit's microsoft app for making app15:13
Lava_Crofti use Win7 quite a lot, and what you described works fine over here15:13
Lava_Croftin a multitude of windows programs15:13
Lava_Crofti dont use VS tho :X15:13
Lava_Croftalso, this doesnt make it suck any less for you :<15:14
Lava_Croftit was a local partition?15:14
Lava_Croftit works fine over here on remote and local partitions15:14
Lava_Crofti would totally go to your school and tell them about this:P15:14
Lava_Croftpoo software15:14
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pawky|2If school would tell me to do an exam using Windows, i would tell them to go F themselves..15:27
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pawky|2And join a more propper school..15:33
rigoZogG_lap1op: I would buy such a niche fone for better privacy and less invasive apps15:33
rigoand for the linux / KDE/ QT integration. But in this case, the X Window system on the phone should be able to be exported on the screen of my computer :)15:34
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ZogG_lap1opLava_Croft: i was out sorry15:40
ZogG_lap1opLava_Croft: the exam on C:/ or something and you need to make a archive on d:/ with your id name and send thru some app in taskbar, while it's not just drag'n'drop app15:41
ZogG_lap1opand than the TI man there who needs to take your exam didn't give me to re-check what i sent to double check.15:43
ZogG_lap1opand i called them asking to give me extra exam or to ask IT ro find file on this computer, but it was loop of them sending me IT-> managment and managment->IT15:44
ZogG_lap1opby IT i mean tech support15:44
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ZogG_lap1opso i got 17/100 points and i know what i wrote it was about 85 grade15:44
ZogG_lap1opanyway life unfair15:45
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ZogG_lap1opi'll take this same course this summer, while i wouldn't go there, simple as that, just HW. did it first time too =)15:45
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trxi need to go again.. :/ i'll be back in an hour or two15:57
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ZogG_lap1opjonni: no mail yet? =(17:43
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ZogG_lap1opbeford: sup17:47
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ZogG_laptopjonni: i read the log, yu got the phone without mail, maybe coz you ex-nokia =)17:51
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ZogG_laptopjonni: mazal tov18:04
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ZogG_laptopphako: n9 or n95018:14
ZogG_laptopphako: and you wanted n9 or n950?18:14
phakowanted one18:14
ZogG_laptopso you have ow two =)18:14
ZogG_laptopi got n95018:14
ZogG_laptopnot yet but on it's way18:15
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befordhey ZogG_laptop18:23
befordZogG_laptop, btw nokia QA claimed I was vioalating IPr by using the audioscrobbler logo18:23
befordthey probably did not check that I am not including it in my package :p18:24
befordnokia already includes it in the icon theme18:24
befordso i answered that18:24
befordlets see if pr 1.3 removes that logo?18:24
ZogG_laptopbeford: for logo (as i can't use icon) i just scroted the i from imgur site logo =)18:24
befordhah yea18:25
ZogG_laptopbeford: what logo btw? can you link me to it and is it released — i mean the app?18:26
befordit should be on your device even if you dont have the app18:27
befordsomething along those lines18:27
ZogG_laptopi want to install your app already18:28
ZogG_laptopbeford: btw looking forward to support meeplay =)18:28
befordlet me get the deb and upload it18:28
ZogG_laptopbeford: btw should i uninistall the one from maemo? i used mamemo's one to scrobble18:29
befordI used the same package name so they should conflict18:29
befordor appear as an updated package18:29
befordmm nokia publish and its sso thing18:29
ZogG_laptopyou should harmattase the name18:30
ZogG_laptopbeford: btw my jabber is zogg@noicq.org18:35
ZogG_laptopif you want to add me18:35
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jonniZogG_laptop: I got it without email because they used finnish postal office, which doesnt send emails, vs dhl for other countries.22:07
ZogG_laptopoh right22:08
ZogG_laptopjonni: btw you still at nokia or other job already?22:08
jonniZogG_laptop: still at nokia for about 2 months or so.22:09
jonniafter that I will most likely take the severance package, but lets see.22:11
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ZogG_laptopjonni: =\22:31
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jonniZogG_laptop: I have some jobinterviews booked already, so towards new opportunities... :)22:43
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