IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2012-06-28

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ZogG_lap1opjonni: n news on side too00:21
ZogG_lap1opmy side*00:21
rzrnotices usual lay off @nok.hu00:23
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ZogG_lap1oprzr: did you see link i sent?00:28
ZogG_lap1opwith meedav00:28
rzrshoot again00:35
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rm_workis it possible to add another button to the Meego Terminal shortcut bar? I don't need Ctrl there (I have a ctrl key on N950) but I need "Alt"00:42
rm_workand what i mean is, is it easily possible, like, on-the-go00:42
rm_workor would i have to recompile from source00:42
rm_worki am hoping there is just a config somewhere...00:43
deramthose two layouts are in filesystem, and it looks like you could add your own layout there00:43
rm_workdo you know where?00:44
rzrZogG, tell me about meedav?00:44
deramcan't remember the path though00:44
rm_worki am not sure what exactly to google for here00:44
deramprobably under /usr/share... I found them accidentally at some point00:44
rm_workkk found some xml files there :P looks promising00:47
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rzrZogG, i think i built it once00:47
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deramZogG_lap1op: yep, that was it..00:49
chem|stjust to do it right?! harmattan rootstraps are like 500MB each?00:53
chem|stI try to install harmattan targets to scratchbox but it seems weird as fremantle is only ~40MB each00:54
ZogG_lap1oprzr: deb on site00:54
rzrsources matters00:55
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derambtw, is there easy way to take meego-terminal sources and build and install another instance of it on phone?00:56
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rzrthere is mg-terminal already00:56
deramI'd quess I have to rename the project somehow..00:56
rzrthis is a fork00:56
rzrneed help on that one ?00:56
deramlots of files to rename..00:57
rzrthere is a such project00:57
deramok. I'll qoogle for it00:57
rzrfork it00:57
rzri'll rebuilt it as well :)00:58
deramnice.. thanx00:58
kimjuthat's old version with few patches00:58
deramwhat do you mean by old?00:59
kimjuyou'll find the latest meego-terminal on gitorious too, just rename it so you can install it along with the official version00:59
deramhmm.. I think this renamed wont import nicely to eclipse sdk01:00
deramas there is still references of the original names at some places01:00
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derambut I have to try that one again at some point.. there is just couple of things I'd like to modify in terminal to make it more screen+irssi compatible01:03
rzrlet me suggest to use bip and any irc client :)01:07
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itsnotabigtrucki don't know what vi__ means by "co-wrote"...03:36
itsnotabigtrucklots of other people did pre-release testing of inception, but inception itself is something i wrote alone03:36
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Jiokhi, I'm trying to inihibit the screen saver and I try mobility QSystemScreenSaver is this the way to go? because it works in PR1.2 even tought it shows some dbus errors but I'm not sure this works for previously firmwares03:40
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AvengenceI'm going to take a guess and say tracker is going insane on me. messages are ending up in totally wrong places and after a reboot whole unrelated conversations are merged (i.e. a skype contact and a sms from some random number)12:01
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Lava_CroftThere is an application called FingerTerm which is made specifically for irssi, screen and ssh13:29
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Lava_Croftit sports the best onscreen keyboard for any terminal emulator i ever saw13:29
deramLava_Croft: seen it, not impressed13:29
Lava_Croftit comes rather close to the real thing13:30
Lava_Croftyou probably wont find any better irc solution for the n913:30
deramthat's true, but there was some things I didn't like13:30
Lava_Croftchances that you find an application without anything you dont like are rather slim:)13:30
Lava_Croftunless you make it! :)13:31
deramLava_Croft: that's why I fork the meegoterminal when I have time for it13:31
Lava_Croftalso, why would one need something like bip13:31
Lava_Croftirssi has built-in proxy13:31
Lava_Croftderam: i saw tmo thread about some customized meegoterm13:32
deramone being it didn't take command line option what to execute instead of the shell13:32
Lava_Croftthe other thing being it doesnt let you run multiple instances of itself13:32
deramother being, it's closed source13:32
Lava_Croftoh, that doesnt bother me13:33
deramme neither if it just works.13:33
Lava_Croftbut meegoterm with a sane keyboard would be great13:33
Lava_Crofti bet meegoterm is also easier on the resources, but thats just a wild guess13:33
derambut if there are few things I miss, I'd rather fix them myself13:33
Lava_Croftyeah, thats the spirit:)13:34
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ZogG_lap1op~listkey open13:40
ZogG_lap1op~listkeys open13:40
infobotFactoid search of 'open' by key (14 of 200): #openmoko logs ;; infodock ;; gnopengl3ds ;; iopener ;; larson's rule #1 of open source ;; open cascade ;; open jtag ;; open office ;; openal ;; openaltutorial ;; openclasses ;; openclassroom ;; opencola ;; opengl draws nothing if a line.13:40
ZogG_lap1op~listkeys kernel13:40
infobotFactoid search of 'kernel' by key (12 of 149): 2.4 kernel for potato ;; bootldr-c000-2.13.5-bigkernel ;; compiling the kernel ;; deb kernels ;; finger ;; i was able to build the kernel, so wheaties ;; improper kernel ;; install kernel ;; kernel api ;; kernel configurator ;; kernel help ;; kernel ide support.13:40
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japhuhm. how do one reboot a n950?13:52
Lava_Croftreboot -u from terminal?13:52
japhthere's no shutdown, reboot or actual buttons :p13:52
Lava_Croftor keep power button pressed for 8s orso?13:52
japhthere's no reboot13:52
japhthere's no power button? or where it is? hah13:52
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Lava_Crofti have no idea13:52
Lava_Croftcant you reboot from terminal13:52
Lava_Croftim pretty sure you can13:52
Lava_Croftopen a terminal, enter devel-su and password, and then reboot -u13:53
japhI have no 'reboot' and no 'shutdown'13:53
japhinit might work13:53
Lava_Croftinit 6 is a reboot13:54
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japhinit: not found13:54
japhwhat is this13:54
japhand I have the /*sbin in my $PATH13:55
japhdo I really have to remove the battery13:55
Lava_Croftshouldnt have to13:55
japhI have never turned this phone on13:56
japhit was on when I got it lol13:56
japhnow the only problem is how do I turn it on again13:57
japhyeah ok, that screen lock button acts as poweron button when the device is off.13:58
japhthank you13:58
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ZogG_lap1opjaph: it acts as off button too - just hold it14:05
ZogG_lap1opjaph: but there is restart option which you want right?14:06
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japhzogg_lap1op, yeah. I guess I could hack something up14:06
ZogG_lap1opjaph: the part of there is restart option is not a question14:07
ZogG_lap1opthere are at least 2 free apps and i believe yoou can do it from console as well14:07
GODAm I still the only one who has noticed the Wifi HotSpot softy doesn't actually seem to use the encryption you set it to use?14:07
japhapps for restarting?14:07
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japhzogg_lap1op, hehe, I thought you were joking14:09
ZogG_lap1opjonni: i got the mail14:09
japhI find it a bit ... strange ... there's none by default14:09
ZogG_lap1opjaph: it's security thin i think they do not link /sbin on bash14:09
ZogG_lap1opno way to know if it's n9 or n95014:11
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jonniZogG_lap1op: lucky you, I still havent heard anything.14:25
Lava_Croftopen video player is nice, now to wait for open media player14:25
Lava_Crofti want to be able to play icecast streams with mediaplayer, like on maemo514:25
Lava_Croftneutered harmattan player ticks me off14:26
ZogG_lap1opjonni: it's n950 \o/14:32
jonniheh, soon I'll have to start worrying if everyone else starts getting devices and they forget me :)14:33
Lava_Croftn950 is the biggest tease one could imagine for N900 lovers14:34
Lava_Croftits like the device you want but will never get14:34
spenapLava_Croft: +114:34
ZogG_lap1opLava_Croft: the pixel syndrom is scary though14:35
ZogG_lap1opand at some point devices wouldn't be changed anymore14:35
Lava_Croftboth my n900's came with dead pixels14:35
Lava_Croftbut not like the n950:)14:36
ZogG_lap1opLava_Croft: i had usb syndrome =(14:36
Lava_Croftmy first n900 just randomly died on me14:36
Lava_Croftbut after 7 months orso, i got nokia to send me two replacements14:36
Lava_Croftsilly nokia14:36
ZogG_lap1opLava_Croft: the thing that as i understand all n950 screens have this and it's matter of time =(14:36
Lava_Croftthose two both came with dead pixels14:36
Lava_Croftheh ZogG_lap1op14:36
Lava_Croftthats pretty awful14:36
ZogG_lap1opthat's why i wanted n950 so bad but hopped i'll get n9 as more people wanted n95014:37
Lava_Crofti got n9, but so far its just one big being pissed off experience14:37
Lava_Croftsince the camera is broken in software14:37
Lava_Croftand i just feel sad holding a dead child14:37
Lava_Croftn9 was, like for many other people, my dream14:38
Lava_Croftholding it just makes me sad14:38
ZogG_lap1opi usee n9 as phone daily and it works fine14:42
ZogG_lap1opLava_Croft: n950 is the same minus nfc and cheaper screen, though + keyboard =)14:44
arceanfor me n950 screen is much better :P14:44
Lava_CroftZogG_lap1op: for me its all about hardware keyboard14:44
ZogG_lap1opLava_Croft: check the n955 thread than14:44
Lava_Crofti saw the 'hacked' n9's14:45
Lava_Crofti just carry around n900 again14:45
Lava_Croftthe internet is still not ruined enough to be unusable on the n900, thank heavens!14:45
Lava_Crofti hope pr1.3 for harmattan still arrives :)14:45
Lava_Croftemphasis on hope14:45
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Kozziin my class there was one guy with N950 and it sure felt nice to held it in hand and open the keyboard14:51
Kozzibut if it was mine I wouldn't think I could take much advance of it, well perhaps I would ssh+irssi more on the phone14:52
jonniand in N9 you can always use ssh+irssi+fingerterm (as that combo has transparent vkb).14:55
Lava_Croftyeah, that solution works pretty well14:56
infobotAll conversations are logged to Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily.14:58
KozziZogG_lap1op: the AnimatedImage doesn't work in the gallery14:59
KozziI mean Image preview and comments15:00
Kozzigif pictures are static15:00
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: i'll check, i 'm late now. i think i changed it but apperantly i may got back the old code when i played with OBS to push it to apps4meego15:07
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: but i solved that problem, i'll re-read the thread on TMO as i explained there what was the problem i think15:08
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: same bug with feed app btw15:08
Kozziok :)15:09
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ladogarZr: i notice that both yle-dl and pstree packages in your repo are listed as version 0.0.0-0, any reason for that?19:56
ladogai thought i had correct version numbers in the changelog19:57
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rzrladoga, hi20:03
rzrdid that to ensure i wont overlap upstream version20:04
ladogaok, thanks20:04
rzrladoga, ask me to rebuild it anytime20:05
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ladogabtw. what does the last digits after - mean in version numbering? package revision?20:10
rzrpackage version20:10
rzrfor packager20:10
rzr1st is upstream version20:10
rzryou welcome20:11
rzrnext job is appformeego20:11
ladogaso if one updates the package while upstream version stays the same the last digit has to be incŕesed in order to give it priority over smaller digit in update20:12
rzrthat's it20:15
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ladogado you know how to enable audio mixing in harmattan or why it's disabled?20:26
ladogasoftware mixing20:26
rzrin qt ?20:27
ladogajust in general20:27
ladogai noticed when playing music on the phone and running a game (sounds on music off) that both wouldn't work at the same time20:28
jonniyou can use alsamixer from commandline :)20:28
ladogaso software mixing can be enabled though asoundrc?20:29
ladogaalsamixer lets you only adjust volume and other settings20:30
ladogawhat i mean is playing audio from several sources simultaneously20:30
ladogafor example choosing music with some music player and then playing a game and hearing both20:31
ladoganot that it's that important for me20:32
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jonnimost likely game and music player does it on purpose, so you wouldnt be able to override that, as usually it just causes a mess.20:37
ladogayes, you're right20:38
ladogatested with another combination and sw mixing works20:38
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ladogait's the default music player that does that20:39
ladogafe. with mplayer and the same game (pinball fantasies) it works20:40
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ZogG_lap1opladoga: jonni it's not alsa20:50
ZogG_lap1opit's pulse audio purpose20:50
ZogG_lap1opbut i think harmattan has it but it is not cofiged for that20:51
ZogG_lap1opas alsa can't change music per app20:51
ZogG_lap1opthough pulseaudio can20:51
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ZogG_lap1oprzr: afaik as i hate pulse audio it can do it21:06
ZogG_lap1opi think21:06
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* ladoga hates PA also21:48
ladogabut i guess it works for some21:49
ladogaon desktop/laptop I've had always everything working good with alsa21:50
ladogaand hw mixing capable cards21:51
ladogaso PA just seemed overly complex tool for need that i didn't have21:52
ladogaand i don't care for equalizers either21:56
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ladogasounds is always matter of taste, but i'd rather invest into better headphones/amp22:01
ladogaif something sounds flat22:02
ladogamy N9 does not. :)22:03
ladogaDT-880's and good amp takes care of that22:05
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