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| itsnotabigtruck | well, this is a bit of a clusterfuck | 03:39 |
| beford | what | 03:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: everything about the community awards | 03:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | c.f. the 24 page thread about the aftermath | 03:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyone who thinks the arrangement was crooked needs to speak up on TMO | 03:45 |
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| ashfjjfjf | Morning. Is there a way of getting the typed password for a wifi network set up? I cannot recall the password anymore, and I would like to use the netwotk on my laptop, Unfortunately, my friend is sleeping, so I am unable to even ask again. :/ | 08:49 |
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| beford | i believe theres an app for that in the forum | 09:03 |
| beford | search | 09:03 |
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| gabriel9 | morning | 10:29 |
| gabriel9 | here is something interesting: http://www.ics.com/technologies/qt_google_apis | 10:29 |
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| ladoga | yesterday i packaged yle-dl script for harmattan. it installs fine from command line, but when i try to install it from harmattan UI the system tells me "Can't install" "Invalid installation package" | 12:19 |
| ladoga | http://www.saunalahti.fi/ladoga/harmattan/yle-dl/ | 12:19 |
| ladoga | so what's the problem | 12:20 |
| ladoga | also once installed it doesn't appear in Applications->Manage applications' list of installed packages | 12:23 |
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| ladoga | any help appreciated | 12:24 |
| ladoga | by harmattan UI i mean clicking .deb file from file box, fennec or similar | 12:32 |
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| rzr | itsnotabigtruck, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1226156#post1226156 | 12:45 |
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| ladoga | rzr: any ideas on above? | 13:00 |
| rzr | Section: user/* ? | 13:05 |
| rzr | in debian/control ? | 13:05 |
| rzr | ladoga, i'll try it later | 13:06 |
| ladoga | http://pastebin.com/qad5v65W | 13:06 |
| ladoga | so should i put "Section: user/*" there? now it has "Section: web" | 13:07 |
| ladoga | thanks, no hurry | 13:08 |
| ladoga | while I'm at it I might change Priority: to extra too. Seems more fitting. | 13:11 |
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| rzr | ladoga, do u use git or other vc ? | 13:26 |
| ladoga | no. I'm complete noob in this | 13:26 |
| ladoga | just needed this script myself so decided to package it | 13:27 |
| ladoga | but I'm sure many finnish users find it very useful | 13:27 |
| rzr | well i am trying to rebuilding it the way it is | 13:28 |
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| ladoga | thanks | 13:29 |
| rzr | http://www.saunalahti.fi/~ladoga/harmattan/N9-notes | 13:30 |
| rzr | is this on maemo wiki ? | 13:30 |
| ladoga | i don't know...just made it for myself | 13:31 |
| ladoga | feel free to add into wiki if there's something useful | 13:32 |
| rzr | where is pstree coming from ? | 13:33 |
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| rzr | ok built yle-dl_0.0.0-0~rzr1_all.deb | 13:34 |
| rzr | now i have to test it | 13:34 |
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| ladoga | pstree comes from original source http://www.thp.uni-duisburg.de/pstree/ | 13:36 |
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| rzr | ok i see | 13:41 |
| ladoga | those N9 notes i made for myself had one missing line..now corrected it | 13:42 |
| ladoga | i just uploaded it there as a friend needed help on something | 13:42 |
| ladoga | and forgot about it | 13:42 |
| rzr | Aegis Warning: Duplicate hash entries for 'usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Crypto/Cipher/Blowfish.so' (/var/cache/apt/archives/python-crypto_2.1.0-2+maemo4+0m6_armel.deb) | 13:43 |
| rzr | scarry | 13:43 |
| ladoga | yes but thats something python-crypto is doing? | 13:45 |
| ladoga | it's in nokia repos..so blame them:) | 13:45 |
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| rzr | any url to test ? w/ that downloader | 13:46 |
| ladoga | i'll check if i can find some that work abroad | 13:46 |
| ladoga | many of these videos are restricted to finland only | 13:46 |
| ladoga | tho it might work either way | 13:46 |
| rzr | well it installed at least on mine | 13:46 |
| ladoga | havent tested it outside finland | 13:47 |
| rzr | yle-dl http://areena.yle.fi/tv/1544491 -o video.flv | 13:47 |
| rzr | working from france ! | 13:47 |
| ladoga | :) nice | 13:48 |
| rzr | i can see that blonde speaker | 13:49 |
| ladoga | it says on the page, "only viewable from finland" | 13:49 |
| ladoga | :) so ule-dl circumverents that protection...very good | 13:49 |
| rzr | app can be installed smoothly from shared repo using apt | 13:49 |
| ladoga | yes, dpkg worked so apt works, just not by clicking in UI | 13:50 |
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| rzr | it's a bit risky since there are some dependencies | 13:50 |
| rzr | i made a litle changes | 13:52 |
| rzr | make clean on pstree | 13:52 |
| rzr | make distclean | 13:52 |
| ladoga | should i add those in my rules file? | 13:54 |
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| ladoga | rzr...thanks for tip about Section:user/web now it works as supposed :) | 14:11 |
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| rzr | you welcome | 14:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup | 14:14 |
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| rzr | hi ZogG | 14:26 |
| rzr | ZogG, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1226156#post1226156 | 14:27 |
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| rzr | lol | 14:27 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: you don't have thank button btw | 14:32 |
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| rzr | ZogG, i dont care , do you ? :) | 14:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | those people mostly count thanks to see how important person is, i still don't know hat Estel have done? | 14:46 |
| rzr | want i want to know is how pple will use those toys | 14:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | people who didn't use it to develp or maintain that much before wouldn't do it after =) | 14:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | let's say you deserve more than me and he didn't do more than i =) | 14:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: Estel is sure good at talking | 14:53 |
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| jonni | tmo seems to be down for me. | 15:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: the story is simple, you remember community award judged by council? 4 of 5 councils put their names too and 4 of 4 names got in win list | 15:04 |
| rzr | about the council job, do you know what is it actually ? | 15:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | me? sort of | 15:05 |
| jonni | yes, I've been following the story, nokia should just have given the devices to all council, and only give 20 CA prizes and all this bitching would be smaller. | 15:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | they do hard job, at least councils before | 15:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: maybe, but it's not bitching, it's not like i would get this device, i just care coz it's wrong | 15:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | and no prev councils didn't do it for device or something and didn't get ones for being council | 15:06 |
| jonni | well yes community awards was more like maemo awards than harmattan awards, even my application was better that some some of the old maemo ones. But its ofcourse matter of opinions. Most of the council were voted by maemo people, thus they have maemo eyeglasses on, and dont prefer harmattan that much. | 15:09 |
| jonni | but in my eyes decisions have been made, and its not worth of second guessing. There still is the coding competition left for 25 new devices. And maybe someday there will be yet another community awards, atleast we can have our fingers crossed. | 15:11 |
| jonni | I can confess that I'm wearing harmattan eyeglasses, since I wasn't following fremantle community that much at all. | 15:13 |
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| rzr | at the same time inception and nitdroid are not projects in the interest of nokia ... so well we're already in bad shape | 15:25 |
| rzr | actually we're in no shape at all | 15:25 |
| jonni | In the other hand, if it would be someones job to follow and improve the community, some people would just receive devices outside the competition without questions. But nowadays marketing efforts are mostly targeting WP. This 100 devices did revive TMO quite a bit, but still its peanuts. | 15:25 |
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| ladoga | nokia doesn't seem to know itself what's in interest of nokia :) | 15:54 |
| ladoga | judging by their actions from last year almost everything they do seems to have gone against their own interests | 15:55 |
| ladoga | and well in line with MS interests | 15:55 |
| ladoga | only sad thing about it is that N9 is the best phone for many...otherwise I would not care at all | 15:57 |
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| ladoga | but there is always community support and that is most important. | 16:01 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ladoga: when some people don't care if price goes to someone worthy but not them it's ok, but some people don't feel comfy when they work their asses off and who gets it is council | 16:28 |
| ladoga | ZogG_laptop: yes, I understand that. I was just talking about Nokia generally | 16:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | Nokia doesn't care | 16:32 |
| ladoga | i hope those prices you talk about to people who are most active/talented in the community | 16:32 |
| ladoga | ZogG_laptop: to way or another | 16:33 |
| ladoga | they've dumped pretty much everything linux related to please their new masters | 16:34 |
| ladoga | so i guess dos or don'ts of harmattan community wont interest them much | 16:34 |
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| Lava_Croft | as long everybody keeps blaming elop and ms | 19:01 |
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| ladoga | if anyone wants to watch spain-france on n9 you can do it with yle-dl :) | 21:38 |
| ladoga | stream adress is http://areena.yle.fi/tv/1561625/ | 21:39 |
| ladoga | and can be played with (k)mplayer while it's downloading and I guess with default video player too | 21:40 |
| rzr | i'd rather play "kick off" | 21:40 |
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| ladoga | :) | 21:43 |
| rzr | ZogG, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1226397#post1226397 | 21:55 |
| rzr | ladoga, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1226398#post1226398 | 21:58 |
| beford | seems like your thanks button mas missing for a while | 21:59 |
| beford | no rzr? | 21:59 |
| ladoga | thanks:) | 22:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: step up on this thread btw if you care | 22:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i think you should too, it's not too late | 22:03 |
| beford | i've already commented | 22:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok | 22:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | thanks | 22:07 |
| ladoga | rzr: do you have n9 too or only n950? | 22:09 |
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| djszapiN9 | beford, ping | 23:01 |
| djszapiN9 | jonni, ping | 23:02 |
| djszapiN9 | ieatlint, sup | 23:03 |
| ieatlint | tired, spent most of the day walking, just got back to hotel 5min ago | 23:06 |
| djszapiN9 | same here | 23:06 |
| beford | eere | 23:06 |
| beford | here* | 23:06 |
| djszapiN9 | though I am not so gentle to be in a hotel ;) | 23:07 |
| ieatlint | yeah, well, you also don't have jet lag and some other extenuating circumstances :P | 23:07 |
| djszapiN9 | heh | 23:07 |
| djszapiN9 | I am unsure what made me have a hefty dinner after the tons of food... :) | 23:08 |
| djszapiN9 | beford, just wanted to say thanks for wpr! | 23:09 |
| beford | what is wpr | 23:09 |
| beford | xD | 23:09 |
| djszapiN9 | wigi password recovery | 23:09 |
| djszapiN9 | wifi* | 23:09 |
| beford | ah its not mine , I just knew it was on the forums :P | 23:10 |
| djszapiN9 | yes, I know, but you mentioned to me anyway. ;) | 23:10 |
| ieatlint | so it wasn't until i stumbled upon it that i learnt what christopher street day is | 23:12 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: great :) | 23:12 |
| ieatlint | yeah, was entertaining :P | 23:13 |
| djszapi | well, I am now trying to survive | 23:14 |
| djszapi | I actually ate a lot more for dinner than at the summit, and I did not spare the food out there either... | 23:14 |
| djszapi | :p | 23:15 |
| ajalkane | Is there any way I can ungoogle "christopher street day" from my computer and mind? | 23:17 |
| djszapi | fill up your mind with Lumia | 23:17 |
| ajalkane | Ah... I think I'll rather keep chirstopher street day in my memory. | 23:18 |
| djszapi | haha xD | 23:18 |
| djszapi | I realized at the summit, a lot of things are mismatching | 23:19 |
| djszapi | There is an enormous hype about Qt Android, but the situation: two people in pastime only. | 23:19 |
| djszapi | A lot of people were advertising Qt5 on Harmattan, but it is a pain in the ass to deal with (workflow, that is). | 23:20 |
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| ajalkane | The practical pain ia see of Qt5 on harmattan on my limited experience, is that there is no "store" that handles dependencies. And there is no other work flow well-defined by anyone yet. | 23:23 |
| ajalkane | Like downloading the missing qt5 libs to some place | 23:23 |
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| djszapi | dependencies are overrated! | 23:24 |
| ajalkane | But I do think it's quite possible. Harmattan might even be the only mobile system to have Qt5 support :) | 23:24 |
| ajalkane | Even if unofficially. | 23:24 |
| djszapi | I wanna Qt6 actually. | 23:24 |
| Venemo_N9 | lol | 23:24 |
| djszapi | well, you know what happened at the desktop summit last year... | 23:25 |
| djszapi | gnome 3 was not even out (?), but they made a gnome 4 meeting | 23:25 |
| djszapi | :D | 23:25 |
| djszapi | or it had just been out. | 23:25 |
| Venemo_N9 | :) | 23:26 |
| djszapi | as far as I understood, a tons of stuff did not enter Qt5 | 23:26 |
| djszapi | that is important. | 23:27 |
| djszapi | , tons of stuff* | 23:27 |
| Venemo_N9 | actually, when Qt 4.6 was what everyone waited for, I jokingly said I'm waiting for Qt 5 | 23:27 |
| djszapi | that would have been probably a bad timing... | 23:27 |
| djszapi | Qt4.7 was a good playground for seeing how royal painy qt quick 1 was. | 23:28 |
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| Venemo_N9 | yep | 23:29 |
| djszapi | let us hope the Qt Foundation will work out nice. | 23:29 |
| Venemo_N9 | btw, what didn't enter Qt 5? | 23:29 |
| djszapi | what was late for Qt 5 xD | 23:29 |
| djszapi | Also, the new signal/slot implementation is a hack | 23:30 |
| Venemo_N9 | eg.? | 23:30 |
| ajalkane | what's thy beef with the new signal/slot implementation? | 23:31 |
| djszapi | hmm, so you have not checked out the implementation... | 23:31 |
| djszapi | it is as far as I know a template hell | 23:31 |
| Venemo_N9 | hehe | 23:32 |
| djszapi | due to the fact, they had to copy paste methods around for different versions, like reference, not reference, different type etc | 23:32 |
| djszapi | essentially it is all cleaner with C++11 | 23:32 |
| Venemo_N9 | :) | 23:32 |
| djszapi | but yeah, it is nice the runtime stuff was turned into build time. | 23:32 |
| ajalkane | No I haven't checked the implementation. I thought you had an issue with how it's used as "end-user" coder | 23:33 |
| djszapi | come on, I am a hacker :) | 23:34 |
| djszapi | who cares about end user xD | 23:34 |
| ajalkane | hehe true that... send in the C++11 patch! | 23:35 |
| djszapi | end users are just the margin source of cumbersome troubles. :p | 23:35 |
| ajalkane | But I guess they're being conservative with C++11. it'll take a while until it's widely available. | 23:35 |
| djszapi | rough estimation was done by Thiago that about 50+ people would be needed in full time to just sustain the maintenance for this huge codebase ... | 23:36 |
| djszapi | (very rough estimation because three people calculated for CI etc...) | 23:36 |
| ajalkane | I think Elop just made the headcount about 5. | 23:36 |
| djszapi | it is funny that everybody blames Elop xD | 23:37 |
| ajalkane | He's the representative, even if the BoD is the real blame for the strategy | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooops | 23:37 |
| djszapi | gradually disagree, sorry :) | 23:37 |
| djszapi | If there is no MeeGo, probably there is no Elop either | 23:38 |
| djszapi | IMO. | 23:38 |
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| ajalkane | Anyway, I think the chances are, that if Elop is fired that means the course changes. | 23:38 |
| ajalkane | Sure, I agree on that. | 23:38 |
| djszapi | IMO MeeGo killed Nokia. | 23:39 |
| djszapi | actually, you are right because then Elop; | 23:39 |
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| djszapi | but the situation was worse by that time anyway. | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much | 23:39 |
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| djszapi | We should have had Maemo summit in Dublin, not MeeGo :D | 23:40 |
| Venemo_N9 | whatever.... | 23:40 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: let me fix that for you | 23:40 |
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| ajalkane | Yes, it's true, I don't think MeeGo was a good thing at that point of time. | 23:40 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o hiemanshu | 23:40 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 watches excitedly how hiemanshu will "fix" the limited topic length | 23:41 | |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer05: there :P | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hiemanshu: thanks | 23:43 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: were you at the OpenVG session ? | 23:43 |
| djszapi | I was lolled when I saw the topic... | 23:44 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer05: why are you mutated? | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ?? | 23:44 |
| ladoga | meego killed nokia only in a way that MS wanted it to be stopped | 23:44 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer05: DocScrutinizer and DocScrutinizer51, so many versions of you :P more like mutations :P | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's not even all the clients I run | 23:45 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer05: get this thing that built exactly for this, its called a bouncer :P | 23:45 |
| ajalkane | MeeGo killed maemo's monumentum. Stalled toe progress. And thus time ran out and master Elop came in. | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but xchat and konversation still don't play together nice via ZNC | 23:45 |
| djszapi | perhaps it would have been if Intel had done actually anything in the meego project... | 23:46 |
| ajalkane | s/toe/the/ ... although "toe progress" is very epic" | 23:46 |
| djszapi | at least in the security fw. | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the constant /who of konversation killed my xchat-n900 standby time | 23:46 |
| djszapi | better* | 23:46 |
| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer05: use Quassel, there is a desktop client, and one for N900 too | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | welllll... | 23:46 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: so have you ported the toggleavailable app to Qt5 ? :) | 23:47 |
| djszapi | does it now open at least up ? xD | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's been something about quassel, what was it, what was it? | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, needs a friggin RDBMS backend | 23:47 |
| ajalkane | My guess is that Maemo worked because it was a skunkworks kind of project. Once it became "proper" Nokia project in context of MeeGo it was suffocated by the bureacracy. | 23:47 |
| ladoga | i see it like this. meego is just a name...harmattan is could be as well..or even better called maemo. not much wasted there. | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ajalkane: you might be close | 23:48 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: hah, yeah, I guess that one would be about changing one include path to get Qt5'd :) | 23:48 |
| ladoga | MS though nokia-intel partnership goes against it's interests and pressured US shareholders to push Elop as new CEO against BoD's plans | 23:48 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: I wonder, if there is already any app in ovi store based on Qt5. | 23:50 |
| djszapi | I mean qtquick2 components based. | 23:51 |
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| ajalkane | djszapi: I doubt it... but if there were they'd most likely be some game for the extra performance. Otherwise it's too much hassle for too little gain. | 23:52 |
| djszapi | I disagree with the too little gain... | 23:52 |
| djszapi | it is always a big result to open the gates up... | 23:53 |
| ajalkane | I'm interested to hear about what you think are the big gains of qt5 in context of harmattan. I readily admit I know too little about it and am interested for other views. | 23:53 |
| djszapi | one very huge one is to not abandoned Qt5 on non-desktop. | 23:54 |
| djszapi | but at least for mobile phones. | 23:54 |
| djszapi | abandon* | 23:54 |
| ajalkane | Hmm... harmattan is nicle platform. | 23:55 |
| djszapi | not that this would be any usable currently on desktop either... | 23:55 |
| ajalkane | *niche | 23:55 |
| djszapi | well, another big gain, is to actually test the qtquick2 stuff | 23:56 |
| djszapi | with ready made component set etc | 23:56 |
| djszapi | see limitations that did not come up during the development etc | 23:56 |
| djszapi | Harmattan components are kinda ported. The desktop components have a long way to go yet. | 23:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 sighs about non-serverside /ignore lists | 23:56 | |
| djszapi | mostly technologically looking forward. | 23:57 |
| djszapi | no real additional end user experience at this stage, I am afraid | 23:57 |
| ajalkane | looking forward to what? There's no future for Qt5 on mobile. | 23:57 |
| djszapi | Pardon ? Qt5 was designed especially for mobile as well. | 23:58 |
| ajalkane | Designed. Like a head was designed for Elop to axe. | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ajalkane: quite obviously the benefit of qt5 for HARM is _very_ limited, given the somewhat EOL character of whole platform | 23:58 |
| djszapi | actually the first research project, and why this was created, was NB. | 23:58 |
| djszapi | I am unsure you are aware of that, but Qt5 has been way behind the feature freeze. | 23:59 |
| ajalkane | DocScrutinizer05: my point is rather that harmattan is a very niche platform, and Qt5 on context of niche platform is niche^2 | 23:59 |
| djszapi | the paradigm change will not be refactored by any sense | 23:59 |
| djszapi | so if Qt5 is out, it is gonna be out with this paradigm. | 23:59 |
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