IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2012-06-22

Sazpaimon_also im not sure why but installing anything from the store or from the installer gui makes everything close00:03
Sazpaimon_including the installer00:03
Sazpaimon_it actually installs though, so idk00:03
ZogG_laptopi have no emails working on n9 anymore annd calendar is not working properly00:03
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Sazpaimon_meecast doesnt seem to support hourly with weather.com01:03
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ZogG_laptopthe channel is dead lately01:33
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Kozzireally ?01:40
Kozziand I though it has always been like this01:41
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djszapiN9ieatlint, we need to meet tomorrow :)01:45
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ZogG_laptopdjszapiN9: sup01:53
MohammadAGiOS developer program approved01:58
MohammadAGHave two ways to spend tomorrow01:58
MohammadAGEither setting up mac os x on my laptop01:58
MohammadAGOr making that music widget for harmattan users01:59
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: i hope you wouldn't disappear. what does that program means anyway?02:07
RST38hMohammad: MacOSX?02:16
RST38hMohammad: So,you *have* joined the cult after all?02:16
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KozziI can't figure out where to put files I want to use for the code to find02:22
Kozziie. having a file chan.xml in the root of project folder and call it using source: 'file://chan.xml' doesn't work02:23
Kozzishould I link it first somehow ?02:24
jonnior your .pro file is not copying it to right places? ie if you use shadow build.02:25
jonnimaybe your should use qrc instead02:25
Kozzihmm, didn't notice the function of pro file.... lol02:26
jonniwith qrc you dont need to worry about copying since then its embedded inside binary02:27
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Kozzihow do I use qrc ?02:27
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ZogG_laptopi think the problem in path02:58
ZogG_laptopas far as i know file://boo would open /boo and not boo while second is in the working project and first is in root dir02:59
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itsnotabigtruckdid tmo go down right about now08:25
itsnotabigtrucknm, it was just being abnormally slow08:25
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: morning12:17
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: comon cava? or how do you spell it, i don't remmember12:17
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phakothp: - first draft of sliding search bar (as in
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khertanZogG: comment ça va ? (for the correct spelling :) )12:20
khertana bit angry against Nokia people responsible of QA on the store12:20
khertanand you ?12:20
ZogG_laptopkhertan: i was angry too12:21
ZogG_laptopbut apps4meego was way harder12:21
ZogG_laptopi was decliened my ovi just coz the version was 4 digits instead of 3 and second time i sent wrong file, but the 3rd time it passed12:21
ZogG_laptopphako: you should add the link to apps4meego to wiki for your award imho12:22
khertanZogG_laptop: for my authenticator apps, they refuse it because they didn't have credentials ? what does they mean ? that i should provide them a account ? are they kidding ... and that 2 weeks later12:23
ZogG_laptopća va =) though the «'» should be in lower part imho, i learned french and could speak a little bit back at school12:23
khertanZogG_laptop: funny as to have an app published in apps4meego it s take me 1h or 212:23
phakoZogG_laptop: hm?12:24
Lava_Croftbien, bien12:24
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: i had problems with compilin, needed to use phako script (thank him) and play with option till it was fully working12:24
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Lava_CroftIs it common for the camera to not launch due to GPS settings12:24
ZogG_laptopkhertan: so it's not credentials for aegis, but for battle field? don't say they do not play diablo3 =)12:25
Lava_CroftI had to disable and re-enable GPS and network positioning to get the camera to launch again12:25
Lava_Croftinstead of the 'camera not responding message'12:25
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: never had that12:25
Lava_Croftsome other folks had it too12:25
ZogG_laptopbtw my gmail is not syncing anymore it just shows syncing in email app, but no sync in transfer menu and it's there for days trying to sync =)12:26
Lava_Croftstill waiting for HDR and lowlight :<12:26
Lava_Croftiow fcam12:26
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: we'll pray for CSSU12:26
Lava_CroftZogG_laptop: whats your sync setting12:26
Lava_CroftAlways up to date?12:26
Lava_Crofti use gmail too, sometimes it 'hangs' on syncing and when not on wifi12:27
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ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: tried manual sync and different options, it just do not sync, not from account neither from app itself12:27
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Lava_Croftalways up to date works mostly fine here12:27
ZogG_laptopi tried on 3g/3.5g and wifi12:27
Lava_Croftit's just sometimes, randomly, that it wont sync once12:27
ZogG_laptopit can't sync, i think it's not related to when12:27
Lava_Crofttried entirely removing the account and info?12:28
ZogG_laptopi had theat problem wont sync but i had error in transfers - when you see gmail and the process line under12:28
Lava_Croftwell, no error here12:28
Lava_Croftit just hangs12:28
Lava_Croftwith the progress bar in various states of progress12:28
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: yes removed and re-added and reboot and rebooted before re-adding =)12:28
ZogG_laptopi don''t have the part with progress bar — that's my point12:29
khertanZogG: yep it s credentials for and they didnt seems to know blizzard or d312:29
ZogG_laptopkhertan: do they know what is computer ? =)12:30
khertani don't think12:30
ZogG_laptopit's like house wives that got n9 and said to check an app12:31
Lava_Crofti want to casually not that not knowing diablo3 is a plus12:32
Lava_Croftcasually state*12:33
Lava_Croftgod forget it12:33
Lava_Croftattempt to sound mildly funny: failed12:33
ZogG_laptopi never played d312:39
Lava_Crofti played d3 a lot12:40
Lava_Croftthats doom3:)12:40
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Lava_Croftmaybe even descent3, if im whiney12:40
Lava_Croftanyhow, i didnt really dig it, diablo312:40
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thpphako: good work! :)12:43
ZogG_laptopi would totally agree on that12:46
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ZogG_laptopthp: btw if you have free time can you check the status of this —
ZogG_laptops i'm not familiar with puython and how to build it for harmattan12:47
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khertanZogG_laptop: no readme ... no setup.py12:53
khertanZogG_laptop: none packaging file :(12:54
ZogG_laptopkhertan: yeah i know, but transmission client can be handy12:54
khertanZogG_laptop: once i have a few minutes i ll look12:55
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: thanks13:09
khertanpfff ... i'm againt pkgmgrd which is locking apt13:11
khertanpkgmgr install -p python-lxml give no result seems locked13:11
khertanwindow method13:11
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khertanZogG_laptop: it s not a real transmition client13:31
khertanit s just a qml interface to the transmittion webserver13:31
khertanit didn't use Qt Components13:32
khertanand i ve a really unusable UI13:32
khertanprobably because something is missing somewhere13:32
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* jreznik had reflash today, biginput and security code together is no go :)13:35
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ZogG_laptopkhertan: after all we need to write new one =(13:37
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khertanZogG_laptop: ok the problem with the component is due to the way they create the declarative view in python13:38
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khertanZogG_laptop: i ve also replace raster engine by the gl one13:39
khertanZogG_laptop: and change minor things13:39
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khertanZogG_laptop: i got something better13:40
khertanZogG_laptop: adding torrent is possible only via a search on piratebay13:41
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khertanZogG_laptop: adding a torrent from the result of the search didn't seems to works13:46
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torarne1Sazpaimon_: ping14:22
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torarne[qtcs]Sazpaimon_: ping14:24
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khertan:echo has("python")14:28
khertannope :)14:28
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rzrkhertan, so is it time to bury your 950 ?14:31
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torarne[qtcs]Sazpaimon__: ping14:34
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MohammadAGtip: never let the N950 have a flat battery (stop bme and such)14:58
X-FadeMohammadAG: flasher revived it for me when I did that.15:02
X-FadeThe pre-flashing charge thing.15:02
MohammadAGX-Fade, a weird sequence of random plugging/unplugging seems to be getting it back on15:03
MohammadAGI wonder what the quick-blinking LED means15:03
MohammadAGyep, it's back :D15:04
MohammadAGI just realized I wrote a whole (probably working) plugin without testing15:04
jonniand you can always open the screws in n950 and use external charger to charge, if nothing else helps, but usually setting it in charging mode with flasher is enough.15:04
jonniie if you query id with charger, it goes to charging mode where it doesnt try to boot up-15:05
infobotjonni meant: ie if you query id with flasher, it goes to charging mode where it doesnt try to boot up-15:05
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torarne1Sazpaimon__: ping15:29
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khertanrzr: why ? it s the only mobile with an hardware keyboard available where i can use Qt and Python15:30
khertanrzr: just need to install scratchbox, and compile vim with python support15:30
khertanrzr: i don't know why the version in repository didn't have python support15:31
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jonnimost likely because python is not installed by default on the device, you need to install it seperately.15:40
ZogG_N9jonni, btw are u planing to make native ui for vnc as well?15:41
mankeliisn't there already?15:41
ZogG_N9it looks like win98 at screenshots if i saw the right one15:42
jonniZogG_laptop: well yes its in my todo list to convert qwidgets it to qml. But my 1st priority was to intergrate the native vkb.15:42
jonniqwidgets are connection dialog are not maybe visually nice, but it works.15:43
ZogG_N9yeah, i know just wondering. good work btw15:44
jonnibut it all depends how much time I have. I have 2 applications in the works for the coding competition, so I need to finish those 1st before I have time to improve vnc ui.15:44
ZogG_N9btw what apps and u apply for coding too? =)15:45
ZogG_N9how many n9's u want?15:45
jonni1st app is a working backup&restore solution, which also works from commandline, and which also backup&restores the ovi store applications that you have installed. Its about ready, just have to finetune the ui.15:46
ZogG_N9it would be nice to have backups selectively15:47
jonniZogG_laptop: and it does support that too.15:47
ZogG_N9like contacts and calendar and all separetly or choosing which to backup, restore15:47
Kozzijonni how it differs from the builtin one ?15:47
ZogG_N9Kozzi, read just what i and him said15:48
Kozzithe builtin one is also quite good with apps settings/contacts,messages/feeds..15:48
jonniand 2nd app is a working network firewall, so you can block all or specific ports for gprs connection, for your roaming or datalimit sims (and you still would receive your phonecalls) and prefers free wifi for data connections.15:48
ZogG_N9ovi apps are not backed up and no selection like afaik was in maemi515:48
jonniKozzi: builtin doesnt backup restore your ovi apps. if you use builtin you need to reinstall ovi apps one by one from ovi store.15:49
ZogG_N9jonni, iptables ? =)15:49
Kozziso it does preserve the list and let you batch install them, cool15:49
jonniZogG_laptop: yep, basicly UI fronend for iptables, since most people dont how to use them.15:49
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jonnifrontend even15:49
ZogG_N9Kozzi, apps are not backed up, only names of installed one which redownload and reinstall from ovi and u limited to do it, so if u rwflash few times u end up buying againg same apps u paid. as well as unknown apps restore is not pleasent15:51
jonni'iptables for dummies' work name :)15:51
jonniZogG_laptop: my restore doesnt redownload them, if fetches the deb packages into the backup, so you can restore as many times you want, without counter decreasing.15:52
jonnibut I might change my app in the format that it only fetches the free stuff by default, just to be nicer for copyright holders.15:53
ZogG_N9jonni, i got that, i hope it supports all apps from unknown source too. it's nice. just explained Kozzi15:53
ZogG_N9and iptables is neat15:53
ZogG_N9jonni, if i buy app, i dont see the copyright problem15:53
ZogG_N9just matbe make it hard to get debs out of backup or something15:54
jonniwell there is the theoritical problem that ovi store tries to hid the deb file that you buy by default, and in my backup tar.gz you could just copy the deb freely15:54
ZogG_N9i think the problem on ovi side here =)15:55
fluxyeah, making it easy to copy debs will severely harm the commercial prospects of the n9 platform :P15:55
ZogG_N9flux, i think Elop would be glad with that15:56
jonnibut lets see, still couple months competition time left. ofcourse I can easily encrypt the debs to solve the problem.15:56
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ZogG_N9good like15:57
ZogG_N9i would might to donate this time too15:57
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ZogG_N9i wish apps were written only for prices though =)15:58
ZogG_N9 DocScrutinizer, still ignoring me ?15:58
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ZogG_N9yes he is =)16:06
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Kozzijonni how about password the tar.gz with device specific key ?16:13
ZogG - looool16:14
jonniKozzi: thats the problem also, I made this sw so it can be restored to other devices too, ie user has broken display, makes a backup, and gets another device from nokia care16:14
jonni(device specific key like in the inbuilt version would fail on that case).16:15
Kozzioh that's good idea16:15
jonnithats why currently there is no key.16:15
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jonnibut I could do imsi based key, so based on your simcard.16:16
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Kozziyeah, much better than imei based16:17
jonnibut most likely I end up just doing the free backup, that way I dont need to worry about crypting16:17
MohammadAG muhahahaha16:17
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MorpogMohammadAG, cool stuff16:19
Kozzi16:11:32: Starting: "mingw32-make.exe"16:19
Kozziqtcreator_ctrlc_stub: Command line failed: mingw32-make.exe16:19
Kozzi16:11:32: The process "mingw32-make.exe" crashed.16:19
KozziError while building project autosize (target: Qt Simulator)16:19
KozziWhen executing build step 'Make'16:19
Kozziwhat could be the cause for this ? after starting to use remote device, I can't use the simulor anomore16:20
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khertanjonni: no need to encrypt some already know how to recover .deb bought on ovistore and sharing them to other users on some warez board16:21
khertanjonni: the must funny things is seeing this people getting ovi store deb for an apps that is also available freely on :)16:22
torarne1Sazpaimon_: ping16:22
MohammadAGKozzi, for one, you're using windows :P16:23
MohammadAGfix that, and the problem should be gone! :P16:23
Kozzi.. :D16:23
Kozziwell I guess I must live with viewing those examples on n9 then16:24
chem|st~seen aries16:28
infobotaries <~aries@> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 528d 2h 24m 12s ago, saying: ':)'.16:28
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Sazpaimon_torarne2, pong19:50
torarne2Sazpaimon_: hey, i was just wondering regarding telepathy-haze, where you got "unkown protocol" for your steambackend, how did you solve it?19:51
torarne2for me it worked fine once i restarted the phone, but im wondering what the right fix is19:52
Sazpaimon_I actually modified telepathy-haze to make steam a recognized plugin19:52
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Sazpaimon_anyway yeah I'm making a telepathy plugin called telepathy-gaben which should be a bit more stable than the libpurple plugin19:54
torarne2for steam?19:55
Sazpaimon_steam mobile specifically19:56
Sazpaimon_the actual steam chat protocol is also documented as well19:56
Sazpaimon_so if I ever had the time, I could expand it for that, and possibly add support for voice chat19:57
Sazpaimon_which steam mobile doesnt support19:57
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Sazpaimon__okay what the hell19:59
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piggzas noone on twitter responded to my plea for feedback, anyone here interested?
Sazpaimonaw, the lockscreen only shows a max of 5 icons under the clock22:34
Sazpaimoni was hoping to get it up to 822:34
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ZogG_N9itsnotabigtruck, hey23:12
ZogG_N9itsnotabigtruck, thanks for stepping up, my oral skills are not good and i've been mostly ignored23:13
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Venemo_N9besides MfE, is there a service which I can sync my contacts with?23:28
Venemo_N9my hotmail account refuses to work through MfE anymore23:29
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piggzVenemo_N9: Nokia account supports contacts sync i think23:43
piggzVenemo_N9: but mfe works great with google account23:44
Venemo_N9piggz, for google account I just used the "google account" option :)23:44
piggzVenemo_N9: i dont use my google account as a 'google account' i set it up using mfe, much better, contacts, calendar and mail23:45
piggzi then only use a 'google account' for gchat23:45
Venemo_N9I see...23:46
Venemo_N9any possibility of getting my hotmail account working properly?23:46
piggzVenemo_N9: never had a hotmail account :) what doesnt work?23:47
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Venemo_N9I seem to have fallen into the trap everyone's falling into... it refuses to sync through mfe anymore23:47
ajalkaneMicrosoft has been moving around the accounts lately to different servers. So hotmail is quite unrealiable right now.23:47
piggzare these your settings?
Venemo_N9ajalkane, hmm23:48
Venemo_N9piggz, yep, those are. it worked fine, but now I get invalid server address on both N9 and N95023:49
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Venemo_N9I looked it up23:51
Venemo_N9it seems that they're upgrading them to a newer protocol version which noone else supports...23:51
Venemo_N9f*** them....23:52
ajalkaneYou can always trust Microsoft to fuck others23:54
piggzVenemo_N9: google account then ;)23:54
Venemo_N9truth is, I quite dislike google. but yeah...23:55
Venemo_N9hotmail still supports pop3, but not imap. meaning it'll be extremely inconvenient to use in any other way.23:57
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piggzi find mfe better than imap anyway23:58
piggzjust for the contacts and calendar23:59
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