IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2012-06-21

Kozziman this is awesome, first with xbmcremote I don't even have to move away from sofa00:00
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Kozziwith this I don't even have to touch av and tv remotes00:00
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HtheBanyone already tried out fremantle for harmattan?00:04
ZogG_laptopwhile to reciver i connected ps3/cable tv/comp00:04
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pawhats fremantle for harmattan?00:04
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ZogG_laptopKozzi: there is vlc remote and other remotes, i want to write at some point xmms2 remote and check if there is option to make mplayer remote00:06
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Kozziwrite a samsung tv remote00:07
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HtheBpa: this
ZogG_laptopKozzi: if there api it's doable00:07
HtheBthnx AlphaX200:07
beford nice too00:07
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ZogG_laptopKozzi: it is supported by N9 already00:08
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Kozziyeah just noticed it too00:08
ZogG_laptopKozzi: it wasn't there before00:09
ZogG_laptopi just wrote it and released there =P00:09
KozziZogG_laptop: lol, good job. Now you can continue with LG tvs00:10
Kozzisomeone got ios apps running on blackberry00:12
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Kozziand seems like HtheB has already contacted this guy00:13
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pato run n900 apps00:14
HtheBpa, also yes :D00:15
befordnice did he say anything?00:15
Kozziquote: he also has a n90000:15
HtheBkozzi: no he doesnt00:16
HtheBbeford: i copy pasted his short reply00:16
HtheBi replied back... so, lets wait once again to see if he will jump onboard00:16
Kozzioh sorry; "he is familiar with n900" not own one00:17
ezzyZogG_laptop, Seems like it would be really hard to mess up a flash..00:18
Kozzithe one by Gemote doesn't support mousepad :)00:19
ezzyZogG_laptop, The LED on my phone is active. When I press the power button it lights up while I still hold it it turns off, usually it vibrates at this point I think but it is not.00:19
ZogG_laptopezzy: on power now? try to unconnect cables00:23
ZogG_laptopezzy: or try to reflash with nokia software updater from windows00:23
ezzyZogG_laptop, what cables?00:25
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Kozziperhaps usb-cable00:28
ZogG_laptopsometimes after my batery dies and i connect to charge i cant turn on till i disconect and turn on and than re-connect00:29
ezzyZogG_laptop, well of course I've tried it without usb00:30
ezzyZogG_laptop, there is not some diagnostic tool or something? ><00:30
ezzyZogG_laptop, I have never experienced that with my N9 myself.00:31
ezzyWhen plugged in the LED does the normal flashing as if it where charging =\00:33
ezzyand comes up as Nokia Mobile Phones via lsusb00:33
Sniper_swemine gets impossible to start after empty battery. always need to boot into nitdroid then let it load for a while then boot harmattan.00:34
ezzySniper_swe, nitdroid?00:36
ZogG_laptopezzy: have no idea, last time i flashed was when i had n900 =(00:36
ZogG_laptopchekc the forum00:37
ZogG_laptopi bet the problem existed already00:37
Sniper_swenitdroid: android port for n9 n950 and n90000:39
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ZogG_laptopezzy: do not try nitdroid now, try to fix it first =)00:41
Sniper_sweyeah then brick it again;p00:43
Sniper_sweits good to have experience with flasher before nitdroid installation:)00:44
ezzyWhat is there to learn abotu flasher..00:47
ezzyit is pretty self explanatory :p00:48
ezzydoesn't the phone show a battery on screen when charging?00:53
ezzyif working correctly00:53
ezzywhen powered off of course.00:54
Sniper_swemy n9 always autostart with charger connected. ofcourse if i power if with charger it dosnt reboot by it self.00:56
ezzyMine doesn't do that autostart thing ><.00:56
ZogG_laptopezzy: nope it doesn't show afaik00:57
ZogG_laptopbut i think led is blinking00:58
Sniper_sweok. autostart is a pita when battery is dead:p thats why i need to boot nitdroid to get it to charge. if i try to boot harmattan it just reboots.00:58
Sniper_sweyep led blinks00:58
ezzycould you try removing your sim card tray and try booting?00:58
ZogG_laptopezzy: i did remove it while phone was one once and moved back. is your out??00:59
Sniper_swephone is fully charged so everything works now:p sim or no sim00:59
ezzyZogG_laptop, no I am just looking for possible issues01:00
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Sniper_sweare your battery charged? otherwise charge with flasher01:02
ezzyIt is at ~80%01:05
Sniper_sweflash rootfs. that way you will keep everything but apps.01:06
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ezzySniper_swe, does that require a special image?01:16
Sniper_sweno rootfs is the main .bin . i mean dint flash emmc image that will erase everything.01:19
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ezzySniper_swe, so flasher -r bin?01:21
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ezzythat tells me bad rootfs format in01:21
ezzythe fin file01:21
Sniper_sweflasher -f -F main.bin01:22
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ezzythat does everything01:23
ezzySniper_swe, I've done flasher -f -F 2-3 times it has had no effect.01:23
Sniper_swedownload fireware from navifarm. replace main with the name of your firemware01:23
ezzyof course...01:24
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ezzyI got the firmware from navifirm..01:24
Sniper_swepaste flasher output01:25
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Sniper_sweseems right. still no boot?01:29
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ezzyno boot01:31
Sniper_swestrange. what did you do to break it?:p01:32
ezzyNothing just won't boot01:32
ezzyI've only dropped it once and it was like a 2 foot fall to wood.01:33
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ezzyHad this thing for 8 months now \;01:34
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Sniper_swei dropped mine 25times from higher so i dont think its the problem:p just died suddenly then wont boot?01:34
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Sniper_sweno new app or hack?01:35
ezzynope I ended a call and it stopped working01:38
Sniper_swesounds really strange. warrant?01:38
ezzysending it to singapore is going to suck `.~01:38
ezzywon't get my phone back for about a month01:39
Sniper_swetry full flash first with emmc and all01:39
Sniper_sweflasher -f -F main.bin01:39
ezzyThat is what I've been doing?01:39
Sniper_sweno you flashed firmware. full flash is firemware and emmc. you will need emmc image from navifarm to01:40
Sniper_sweyou will loose all data. but you probably will if you send to nokia care anyway.01:41
ezzySniper_swe, thats true.01:42
jonnimost likley your booting problems end when you flash emmc image, or if that doesnt help then erase-user-data=secure should help. But my bet is that your emmc is missing/corrupted, so it doesnt boot.01:42
Sniper_swei bricked mine a while back and only formware did not work. but with full flash it worked01:43
ezzySniper_swe, I really_really_ hope this works :P01:43
Sniper_swehope so to:)01:43
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Sniper_swelet us know:)01:45
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ezzywhat would the emmc bin look like?01:48
ezzyI am not seeing an emmc bin in navifirm01:51
Sniper_sweits like 2 gb and at the same place as your fware01:52
ezzyhmm I an not seeing that in navifirm01:57
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ajalkanenew try01:57
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Sniper_swethats strange. file is named like dfl61blablablaemmc.bin i think02:09
jonniit doesnt show on default server, you need to switch the server in order to see the emmc images02:10
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jonni(switch from production to care suit)02:13
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Sniper_swemust be new? i never had a problem finding it:)02:14
jonnidepends on what navifirm version one is using02:15
jonnior navifirmex version02:15
Sniper_swe1.7+ here i yhink02:15
jonniatleast navifirmex defaults to production server which doesnt have emmc images, and care suit server is behind menu option.02:16
Sniper_sweokay. good to know02:17
ezzyjonni, yea I am trying to get newer one to work :p02:23
ezzyjonni, I've been on 0.1 haha02:23
ezzysince the good old days :D02:23
jonni-ex version also works in Linux with wine.02:23
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ezzylooking on the navifirm wiki atm02:26
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ezzyflashing the mmc didn't work >:(03:18
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ezzyStill cannot get the phone to boot :(04:19
ezzyLooks like ncc for me...04:19
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ezzyIs there a low level mode that allows me to get to a command prompt without a full boot?08:00
dm8tbrezzy: there is an kernel+initrd that does something like that. but what do you expect from that?08:12
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jonniezzy: if you do sudo flasher -R      what happens? or 30seconds powerbutton (untill vibra shakes)09:19
ezzyjonni, I never get a vibrations09:24
ezzydm8tbr, I am hoping to maybe see why my phone won't post or boot.09:24
jonnithen maybe you havent pressed the powerbutton long enough?09:24
jonniwhat happens during boot?09:24
ezzyjonni, nothing =\09:25
ezzysec holding down power09:25
ezzystill holding nothing.09:26
jonniso if you do "sudo flasher -R" connect the usb cable and press powerbutton 30 seconds, it doesnt vibrate and start to boot?09:26
ezzyjonni, I'll give that a shot09:26
ezzyjonni, why does flasher need root?09:27
jonnibecuase normal users cannot open usb ports09:27
japhsniper_swe, yeah, the fact that it won't charge the battery if the os can't boot is... one of the most retarded design choices I've encountered09:27
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ezzyjonni, someone is not in the usb group :P09:28
ezzyjonni, what distro do you use?09:28
ezzySilly ubuntu hehe09:28
japhI thought such groups were rendered meaningless with this consolekit business09:28
jonniand if that doesnt help you can still try "sudo flasher --set-rd-flags=force-power-key -R"09:29
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jonni(that command overrides bootreason if you happen to default ACT_DEAD mode)09:30
ezzyThanks I'll give it a try! :D09:30
ezzyjonni, there is an act dead mode lol?09:32
jonniyes running "init 5" as root inside N9 switches device to ACT_DEAD mode.09:33
ezzyled is spazzing out09:35
ezzyafter running flasher --set-rd-flags=force-power-key -R the phones red led on the back turned on09:36
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jonniyep as it its then on rd modem you can use --disable-rd-mode to get back to normal mode and red switches off09:38
infobotjonni meant: yep as it its then on rd mode you can use --disable-rd-mode to get back to normal mode and red switches off09:38
ezzyjonni, is the phoen supposed to be displaying something?09:39
jonnibut if it doesnt boot, then next step is nokia care, as in there they should be able to look the bootlogs.09:39
jonniyour flashing paste looked ok. So most likely then its hw fault, or missing certificates.09:40
jonnialthough normal users shouldnt be able to corrupt the certs, unless they use phoenix or some other 3rd party apps.09:43
ezzyjonni, phoenix?09:43
ezzyservice software hmm?09:44
jonniif you dont know what that is then its a good thing. That way you have only used flasher command to mess with your device.09:44
ezzyjonni, so while the leds where blinking I should have seen something displaying?09:44
jonninope it shouldnt have, it only blinks on activity, like when loading files from flash etc09:45
jonnior maybe your display is just broken if it stays black all the time?09:46
ezzyjonni, it does stay black09:46
ezzyjonni, but I don't get any vibrations too09:46
jonnior display connector cable has gotten loose on some drop or something.09:47
jonnianyways remote quessing doesnt help that much, better to take to nokia care if you run out of normal options.09:48
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ezzywith --disable-rd-move it still says The device is now in production mode09:49
ezzythats correct09:49
ezzyjonni, yea still can't get it to boot I am in the states now :|09:50
ezzyphoneless for a monthish should be cool. Thanks a lot jonni.09:52
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ezzyhmm that sounded as if I think you caused the issues which is not the case :P.09:53
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DocScrutinizer05japh: (the fact that it won't charge the battery if the os can't boot) ... is simply NO fact, but FUD10:41
japhplease --verbose10:41
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DocScrutinizer05both N9 nand N950 have a bq27xxx dedicated battery management chip which can and does charge battery without any support from CPU - under certain conditions (I.E. fastcharger with D+- short), and only for a limited time and to a minimum charge level10:50
JaffaZogG_laptop: OK, happy to do that; but I suggest posting it to the wiki - it can also be reverted and gives an easier collaboration environment. Or post it as Getting_Started_With_OBS_(Draft)10:51
DocScrutinizer05however this charging is sufficient to avoid the bootstrap problem you'd otherwise face with depleted battery that doesn't suffice to boot up the device10:51
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DocScrutinizer05the charger chip indicates this charging by a signal on a pin that's connected to LED. Thus the initial white (on N900: amber) constant lit LED is by charger doing his job. It gets stopped as soon as system boots up (to bootloader) and talks to charger chip - this will stop the autonomous mode of the charger chip11:15
DocScrutinizer05eventually system controlled charging kicks in11:17
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DocScrutinizer05if however your system need long (or forever) to boot up to a state where the BME takes over with charging, or if your battery has lost most of its capacity so it can't power the system for those few seconds without dropping voltage from bootup to shutdown threshold - you will see a bootloop where system tries to boot up, depletes battery to the point where system shuts down, charger chip may (or may not) kick in again with11:21
DocScrutinizer05autonomous emergency charge method and bring battery to a level where the whole game restarts again, and again, and again11:21
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DocScrutinizer05(the actual thing happening is even a bit more complex, since the charger chip should continue charging until anybody of bootloader/system talks to it, and even then there's a timer in that chip that should keep charging in effect until timer expires, which is sth between 10 and 30s)11:26
japhdocscrutinizer05, thank you.11:27
japhI think he mentioned n900 specificly, that's what I based my reply on11:28
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DocScrutinizer05there's no difference in all that between N900, N9 and N95011:29
DocScrutinizer05except color of indicatoe LED11:29
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DocScrutinizer05the action regarding charger chip taken in bootloader(s) and system though might differ11:30
DocScrutinizer05btw that's what in short boiled down to:11:31
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover11:31
DocScrutinizer05and obviously this applies only when you got a working OS installed on your N90011:33
DocScrutinizer05as otherwise -> bootloop11:33
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japhdocscrutinizer05, thank you11:37
japhit seems your --verbose flag is in perfect workable condition :)11:37
japhis it frowned upon asking if someone wants to buy a n950 in here?11:38
japhI see what I did there11:39
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gabriel9|workjaph: no one wish to sell N950 :/12:16
gabriel9|worki would not if i had one :)12:16
japhdo you want it?12:17
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Lava_Crofthow much12:56
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torarne1thp: ping13:15
torarne1niwakame|away: ping13:15
thptorarne1: pong13:15
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torarne[qtcs]thp: what's the status of libpurple in harmattan these days?13:16
torarne[qtcs]thp: i see the extras-plugins bundle its own binaries, and advocates/blacklists the standalone package13:16
thphonestly don't know. i basically just compiled the debian source package into my obs home project13:16
torarne[qtcs]i'd like to build a libpurple plugin, and wondering where/how i should depend on libpurple13:16
thphaven't been actively working on it13:16
thpi also don't know what the current "best practice" is in that regard. both variants (separate packages + all-in-one extras-plugins thingie) work fine13:17
thpi guess it depends on what you are more comfortable it and with what you want to be compatible / where you want to publish your plugin13:17
torarne[qtcs]yeah, that's a good point13:18
torarne[qtcs]what there issues getting libpurple(based) stuff into ovi?13:18
thpi didn't try13:19
thpis there one?13:19
thpthe thing is, if you want to publish to ovi, your package has to be self-contained (no dependencies apart from nokia repos)13:19
torarne[qtcs]ah, i see. and they don't accept non-application packages into the ovi store?13:20
torarne[qtcs]eg a standalone libpurple?13:20
thptorarne[qtcs]: i *guess* you'd have to provide an application icon at least13:21
phakoand I'd even try to avoid dependencies in the nokia repos as that seem to cause problems with some people13:21
phakothp: no, you can discuss yourself out of that, but you need to provide some functionality they can test13:21
thpphako: ah, didn't know that.13:22
torarne[qtcs]i see13:22
thpphako: so does the description have to say something like "no app icon" then?13:22
torarne[qtcs]i mean you can have a settings meny, that should be enough ui ?13:22
phakothp: that would probably help, I explained it in the first denial and it was ok then.13:22
torarne[qtcs]like the homescreen app13:22
thpi'd do an application anyway, even if it's just some static info on how to get started13:23
thpdon't expect that all ovi users are smart enough to read the descriptions ;)13:23
torarne[qtcs]so the libpurple here,, and the one (binaries) bundled with the extra plugins are === ?13:23
thpphew, i did that last december. not sure how the dependencies were set13:24
thptorarne[qtcs]: if you have lesspipe installed, just "less" the .deb and you should see13:24
torarne[qtcs]thp: thanks for the tip13:25
thpim-providers-additional there has "Depends: libpurple0, telepathy-haze"13:25
thptelepathy-haze has "Depends: [...], libpurple0 (>= 2.10.0), [...]"13:26
thpand harmattan-protolol has "Provides: im-providers-additional, libpurple0, telepathy-haze"13:27
torarne[qtcs]hmm, interesting13:29
torarne[qtcs]these packages are in the razr repo?13:29
thprazr repo?13:30
torarne[qtcs]sorry rzr, the community repo13:30
thpnot sure about that either.. i *think* i submitted it there once13:30
torarne[qtcs] ./13:30
thpthere's telepathy-haze in
torarne[qtcs]doesnt look like it13:31
thpbut no libpurple13:31
torarne[qtcs]so which repo has those packages that you listed?13:31
torarne[qtcs]ah, great, thanks!13:33
thpif anyone wants to help getting these into the rzr repo, i'd be happy to get some support and push them there13:33
Lava_Croftthp: thanks a bunch for Billboard!13:33
thpLava_Croft: :) glad you like it13:33
Lava_Croftyou made me pay for an ovi store application13:34
Lava_Croftquite the feat13:34
Lava_Croftone slight thing tho13:34
Lava_Croftits quite hard editing text inside billboard13:34
Lava_Croftmaybe you can turn the text/editing area into something more akin to an actual text editor13:34
Lava_Croftits a bit hard to organize/move around text within it13:35
Lava_Crofthavent been able to for example select text in it13:35
thpLava_Croft: are you using version 1.0.1?13:35
Lava_Croftthe latest13:35
thp"latest" is relative :p13:35
Lava_Croftwell, latest that is offered to me automagically13:35
Lava_Crofti guess thats 10113:36
thpcheck in "Help / About"13:36
Lava_Croftaye, 10113:36
thphmm selecting and copying text there works fine13:36
thpit was a bit awkward in 1.0.013:36
Lava_CroftHow would i go about selecting text inside billboard then13:37
Lava_Croftso i tried for a good 10 minutes before13:37
Lava_Croftbut i managed now13:37
Lava_Croftgod that would have saved me time13:37
Lava_Croftoh well, problem solved!13:37
Lava_Croftit seems the questionable behaviour of the meecast icon also disappeared13:38
Lava_Croftthere was some other thing but i cant remember. ill take it to the thread once i recall :)13:38
phakothp: oh, you got away with telling people to reboot? Cool. That should solve my icon problem13:39
thpphako: for the next release, i'm restarting sysuid in the postinst script. wonder if that'll go through :p13:40
Lava_Croftoh, one more question, thp13:40
thpLava_Croft: yup?13:40
Lava_Croftis using stuff like the python scripts for uptime or alarms actually 'bad' for the battery in a way that one might notice it?13:40
Lava_Crofti could go about and test it, but i figured just asking might be faster:P13:41
thpLava_Croft: depends on what your script does.13:41
Lava_Croftthey are exact copies of what you suggest on and in the thread13:41
Lava_Croftconcerning uptime and showing alarms13:41
thpLava_Croft: should not be too much of a problem. it also depends on what else you have on your billboard13:42
thpbecause every change in something (e.g. change in battery percentage) triggers a "redraw" and therefore also calls all scripts13:42
Lava_Croftfull date, battery, uptime, alarm, cell network, AP13:42
thpthis might change in a future version, though13:42
Lava_Croftthat is a good hint13:42
thpsomething like caching the script output and only updating the script output if the last update has been before now - X minutes13:42
Lava_Croftoverall theres nothing to complain about with the n9's battery anyway, when your previous device was an n90013:43
Lava_Croftlike in my case13:43
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thpthe display / network connections usually eat more battery than single apps running in the background.13:48
thpand in case of billboard, i've tried to make it efficient (event-based where possible)13:49
Lava_Croftwell, so far i havent really noticed any drawbacks regarding battery usage13:49
Lava_Croftall the streaming of audio ruins batterylife anyway13:50
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thpLava_Croft: why do you stream audio? just download it before and then play it back locally13:57
Lava_Croftits a bit hard to download an entire live radio station:)13:57
Lava_Crofti listen to the stream of the dutch equivalent of BBC News13:58
Lava_Croft32kbps aac13:58
Lava_Croftover 2g13:58
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thp^ look at page 2 for battery usage comparisons13:58
thpLava_Croft: you could get the news programme via a podcast and record streams on your home machine to get the music mix13:59
thpor use fm radio?13:59
Lava_Croftstreaming over 2g is basically the most trustworthy option, ive come to find out13:59
Lava_CroftFM radio has bad reception compared to 2g14:00
Lava_Croftand to be honest, for an internet radioplayer, the battery does last quite a while14:00
Lava_Croftbut you cant carry around 3 spare batteries, like with the n900 :<14:01
Lava_Croftwell, technically i could, but you know...14:01
thpthere are external battery packs that you can hook up via usb14:04
Lava_Croftyeah, gilette makes 2 different ones14:05
Lava_Crofti think they only differ in hours provided14:05
Lava_Croftwell, and price :P14:05
phakodoes anyone know how I get that "pulling down a ListView exposes search bar" effect? I Mean I have a search entry and a listview, but I can't really grasp to which signals I need to connect.14:10
thpphako: i guess that's a MTF feature. haven't found a way to do it in QML (apart from writing it manually, that is)14:11
phakothp: and with manually you mean painful fiddling I suppose?14:11
thpphako: i guess. look at QML Flickable's properties (contentY, visibleArea.yPosition, etc..)14:12
thpphako: you should be able to place the text entry (search box) into QML ListView's "header" property, though (and then just set size + clipping at the right time)14:12
phakouh, right, header14:13
phakothe "right time" is the thing I have issues with14:13
thpphako: if you implement it, let me know - i'd have a use for that as well :)14:13
thpphako: i'd start out by doing a console.log() in "onContentYChanged" and figure out the values and behavior from there14:14
phakowait, contentY14:14
phakoI looked at yPosition and wondered how to get a signal for that14:14
thpphako: it's one of the best kept secrets of qml, i guess :p14:15
phakoQML is unbelievably nice to make UIs in - and at the same time it's so unbelievably painful...14:15
phakothp: yeah, but you have that visibleArea thing in between14:16
thpphako: try visibleArea { onYPositionChanged: console.log(yPosition) }14:16
phakook, that works, as well as onContentYChanged14:18
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phakothp: where is that visibleArea {} thing documented?14:19
thp(btw, I find it really annoying how google turns up different documentations as first result depending on what you search for)14:20
phakothp: ah, I thought that's some kind of object.14:20
thpphako: also read up on attached properties on that page - they are even more magic, but could come in handy (esp. with stuff like ListView)14:23
phakothat google behavior is really annoying14:25
phakobut still better than bing14:25
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admiral0i'm having some trouble with the wlan and a wpa enterprise(tls) connection....14:47
admiral0at some point it worked... then an upgrade got me an arrow in the knee14:47
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ZogG_laptopsup guys15:12
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ZogG_laptopso except thanks and to my post and e-eyes post no one said anything about council winning award15:35
admiral0lol, everyone sleeping in the US?15:37
ZogG_laptopadmiral0: not everyone in US15:37
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ZogG_laptopadmiral0: TZ? what is it?15:51
ZogG_laptopadmiral0: oh, time zone15:51
ZogG_laptopi think i'm +215:51
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ZogG_laptopphako: sup17:49
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Kozzithp: can you help me ?18:14
KozziZogG_laptop: available ?18:16
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thpKozzi: depends with what18:38
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KozziI'm trying to put your mustr to qtcreator and compile18:41
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Kozzibut it complains about the /debian folder and failed18:42
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Kozziand I can't select Shadow Build in Projects/Build/General18:43
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thpKozzi: just "qmake" on the command line19:09
thpKozzi: or try removing the debian/ folder as the message says19:09
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thpKozzi: but really, it's just "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b" in scratchbox (or prefix with "mad" to build it with MADDE) and "qmake && make" just to build the executable19:09
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Kozzithanks, got it to run19:16
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ZogGchem|st, still no words from council, as they probably see as not too many talking about it yet =)))) but here we bring some attention
ZogGKozzi here19:30
ZogGthp sup19:30
thpZogG: hey :)19:46
thpKozzi: feel free to submit patches via github issues19:46
ZogGthp, i wonder do you have playbook or bb10 device?19:46
thpZogG: nope19:46
thpbut i'll be at the bb event in berlin next week, and according to Jaffa it's easy to port Qt/pure QML stuff to BB1019:48
Kozziis there a website for qt quick coding for absolute beginner ?19:59
Kozzior a book, I could start with20:01
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jonniKozzi: harmattan sdk documentation is pretty nice starting point, or
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ZogG_laptopjonni: btw about award for ovi apps, do we wait for everyone or devices were sent for people? as i got no info though my app in ovi, apps for meego and i sent all data at the start of the week =)20:34
ZogG_laptopchem|st: sup20:35
phakoZogG_laptop: hey20:36
ZogG_laptopphako: you are slowpoke20:37
phakobut I've a full fridge now20:37
ZogG_laptoplike in haiku20:38
jonniZogG_laptop: patience is a virtue, my app passed ovi qa 8 days ago, and I still havent got any info.20:40
jonniso Im in the same boat as you20:41
jonniafaik they are sending in batches once a week.20:42
jonniso Im keeping my fingers crossed for next week20:42
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ZogG_laptopjonni: than me too20:46
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gabriel9anyone see this?20:54
ZogG_laptopgabriel9: tht fail?20:57
ZogG_laptopi did20:57
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gabriel9anyone been on bbcon?21:13
ZogG_laptopti thimk Jaffa21:28
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rzrpoor eyes22:03
ZogG_laptoprzr: what did you read?22:04
rzrhe wanted a 95022:04
rzrand he got none22:05
rzrlet's hope this will not affect his motivation22:05
ZogG_laptoprzr: i don't get how when i start convo on council getting awards they flow goes to blame other who got =) i'm happy that a lot of people from list got, i just think that there are few that got coz they have power or friends with those people =)22:05
rzri think stuff could be done using his android rom and mozilla's b2g project22:05
ZogG_laptoprzr: or e-eyes =)22:05
ZogG_laptoprzr: i never got his motivation as he is looking sceptic at things but still does his job =)22:06
ZogG_laptopi'll invite him to chat22:06
rzrhe is around here22:06
rzranyway the council should deserve a freebie device22:07
rzrbut they should not take others' ones22:07
rzri guess guim should have kept some device for them22:07
ZogG_laptopwahy would council deserve device again?22:07
rzrand not puting those one in the competiton22:08
rzrbecause they are representing us22:08
rzrwe voted for them22:08
rzrso this makes sense22:08
rzrbut this is a very bad start ... assigning theirselves the gift is not good22:09
ZogG_laptopam i still thinking that devs and those who do work mainly for themselves but still share with others deserve(and i'm talking about testing, maintaining and porting and bug fixing) all this can be done solely just for yourself but people shared their work. while council is more like work22:09
ZogG_laptopmanager doesn't give premia to himself =)22:09
rzrlike previous french president , the day he was elected he rose his salary by 170% or so ....22:09
ZogG_laptoprevolution on TMO =)22:10
ZogG_laptopinpichment or how do i spell it22:10
rzrI wish those pple will start the rev at nokia  HQ 1st22:10
ZogG_laptopi wish i was a billionere (C) pop song22:12
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mankelihaha, quite a nasty trick to get n950 :D22:14
mankelinot saying anything first, and then just taking one22:14
mankeli"sorry, better luck next time"22:14
thpKozzi: if you want to learn qt quick, implement some small project. you don't learn programming from books :)22:14
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ajalkaneAnyone familiar with QtCreator and Madde's interaction? I have a new target created in Madde, but when I create a project in QtCreator the new target is not shown. Do I have to manually edit the .pro.user file to have the target, or is QtCreator supposed to detect Madde targets automatically?22:46
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jonnijust add them on ui?22:59
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ajalkanejonni: yeah, I battled with that the whole yesterday evening. And today I managed to do it. I be feeling so stupid.23:04
messertingIs there a way to activate developer mode from the command line on the N9?23:05
messertingI only have ssh access to the phone, as the screen is broken23:05
messertingand I want to install/activate devel-su, in order to install a program to extract all contacts (vcardexport)23:06
messertinghm, I do have devel-su activated anyway it seems23:07
ajalkaneAh, I joyed too early. I'm still stupid getting the target added.23:10
* messerting this seems to solve my problems:
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Sazpaimon_im surprised by just how many notifications show up on the sleep screen23:53
Sazpaimon_ive got a calendar icon, missed calls, voicemail, email, a friend request, text message and chat message23:53
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Sazpaimon_who knows what else23:54
Venemoyup, those do show up + all the facebook notifications, messages, twitter stuff, and charging status23:55
Venemoand then you can also put MeeCast in there23:55
ajalkaneThis ones undocumented, but there's also "Upgrade to Windows Phone 8 available."23:55
Venemobtw, if you haven't, now's a good time to get rid of AccuWeather and install MeeCast and its applet23:55
Sazpaimon_i have neiter facebook nor twitter23:55
Venemoajalkane: wat?23:55
ajalkaneJust kidding23:55
Sazpaimon_but there's also the update icon on the sleep screen too23:56
Sazpaimon_so that's like 10 icons that show up under the clock on the sleep screen23:56
VenemoI recenlty learned that MeeCast can replace the AccuWeather widget and it can also put itself on the standby screen23:56
VenemoI was so glad to finally get rid of AccuWeather23:56
Sazpaimon_now if only there was a way to replace AP mobile23:57
Sazpaimon_because ive found that it only works if I open it once and a while, otherwise the notifications feed stops working23:57
ajalkaneUp until recently MeeCast could not give in Finland hour-by-hour predictions, unlike AccuWeather. But now as it seems to do I'm tempted to replace AccuWeather completely23:57
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ajalkaneAP Mobile and AccuWeather both stop working after a while. Pretty stupid.23:58
Sazpaimon_also i really wish firewall+ would have a "this number has been disconected" message it can play23:58
Sazpaimon_otherwise i'd totally pay for it23:58
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