IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-06-19

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piggz_ok, ive got my N9 working by using flasher with --erase-user-data=secure ... bit of a bummer ive lost everything, but thats what nokia care would have done i guess...i wonder if photorec can find anything, then i will ahve to flash the emmc as there is no partition atm00:13
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piggz_i think i wont user track&protect again00:14
jonnierase-user-data only erases the user partition, ot doesnt touch emmc00:14
jonniit doesnt touch00:14
piggz_ah, how to rebuild user data?00:14
jonniso all pics on emmc should be there, (but if you also reflashed emmc image, then the pics are gone)00:14
piggz_i did /flasher --erase-user-data=secure -fF <file> -R00:15
piggz_but when i plug in over usb, dmesg says sdc, unknown partition table00:16
jonniah, then protorec or some other rescue tool is the 1st bet00:17
piggz_jonni: when finished with photorec, how do i repartition if to be correct?00:17
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jonniit should be able to recover atleast some of the pics. As afailk emmc is only totally nuked when you do --erase-emmc...  well after you have recovered your pics, you can just flash the emmc image, and00:19
jonnithen you have clean env. But dont reflash emmc before you have recovered needed files00:19
piggz_fsking track&protect00:20
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jonniwell its a feature, that you really should setup your password before using t&p :)00:20
jonniand there is a trick to do so you dont have to use secure erase to recover, but you need internal people to do that trick.00:22
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ajalkaneI guess it would be a feature if t&p forced setting of the password before it could be activated. If I understand this discussion correctly, currently it's just a bug.00:23
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piggz_i guess i should set the code early on, and set nominatetrusted user00:26
piggz_so, is this a known bug with t&p???00:26
jonniknown feature, has happened to others too.00:26
piggz_if only i wasnt so eager to get a new microsim, to replace the one i cut up with scissors00:27
jonnibut doesnt T&P webui also provide remote phone unlock feature, so you can unlock it without the password?00:28
jonniatleast if I remember right00:29
piggz_no, there was only a wipe and lock option00:29
piggz_i think wipe unlocks it, but wipes the data also00:29
jonni(requires credits atleast when you look main pages)00:30
jonniatleast T&P mainpage says auto lock at sim change, and then on requires credit part it has listed "remote phone unlock" so most likely you could have unlocked it from web without wiping.00:31
jonnibut ofcourse this info comes a bit late, since you already wiped.00:34
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jonniand might be that they unlock feature does not cover harmattan.00:35
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piggz_jonni: i read today that unlock wasnt avaialble on harmattan ( i have read lots today on the subject), here, another user in a similar situation only had options to wipe or lock
jonnimight be that as 3rd party your only option is to wipe. And nokia care has a bit cleaner option to change the code without wiping.00:40
piggz_no files recovered, may aswell flash emmc now00:42
jonnifor future you might want to install PhoetoShareN9, that way every pic that you take is automaticly uploaded to dropbox or to your server, then reflashing is less stressfull.00:45
jonniPhotoShare even00:45
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piggz_thanks, i'll do that00:52
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AlphaX2hi guys10:19
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AlphaX2why the hell is the QML Slider element emitting an valueChanged signal when it's starting10:20
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rcgjust a guess, but that's probably from setting the initial value10:22
AlphaX2jepp it is10:22
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AlphaX2but if I have connected a slot to it - it will for example save the latest state10:23
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AlphaX2so it means the given value, or if you are not setting one, the minimum10:23
rcghmm, right10:24
AlphaX2In my case it's a optional thing, so I also have a Switch which "enables"/show the slider10:25
AlphaX2so I can prevent it with an if-construct10:26
AlphaX2but I was wondering that this is the way the slider work10:26
rcgwell, most probably you just a have internally a setter that just triggers the signal once a value is set.. including setting the initial value10:27
rcgthat's what i would imagine implementation-wise10:27
rcgdo the api docs maybe show some properties or hint or the like that could trigger that behavior?10:28
AlphaX2I don't know10:29
AlphaX2it seems to be the same with the Switch elements10:29
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AlphaX2Okay it is for sure the same result for Switches10:42
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AlphaX2okay I've found a "solution" for the emitted signals on startup11:12
AlphaX2set default property for enabled to false11:13
AlphaX2so you can set whatever you want and nothing is emitted11:13
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AlphaX2after setting your properties right the way you like it, enable your elements11:13
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denismjonni "nokia care has a bit cleaner option to change the code without wiping." - is it really so already? It requires R&D cert for the device, is it really possible for Nokia Care?11:28
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Kozzipa: do you have kmplayer installed ?12:10
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Kozzihow to create an directory (.mplayer) to /home/user/ with user as owner in root ?12:14
petteri you can change the owner with chown12:15
petteri not sure if eagis prevents such things12:15
Kozziunder root: mkdir /home/user/.haha12:16
Kozzichown /home/user/.haha users12:17
Kozzichown: unknown user/group /home/user/:haha12:17
DocScrutinizer51man chown12:19
ZogG_lap1opwhat is haha?12:21
petteri maybe a test directory12:21
merlin1991Kozzi: chown user:user /home/user/.haha12:21
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petteri root:root maybe12:21
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: just make this dir under user in his directory and he would have all rights12:21
Kozzithe correct cmd is chown user:users /home/user/.haha12:22
Kozzibut : operation not premitted12:22
petteri no12:22
ZogG_lap1opthe corrent one is chown -R user.group_user_in /foo/bar12:22
merlin1991ZogG_lap1op: s/./:/ ;)12:23
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: do you have inception?12:23
ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: it works both12:23
petteri you must be root to use chown12:23
KozziZogG_lap1op: no, I just want this for others12:23
ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: btw i built the package12:23
KozziI'm writing a script that create .mplayer folder in /home/user/ for those who doesn't have kmplayer installed12:23
ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: -recursive =)12:23
Kozzithen copy config file I created to it12:24
merlin1991Kozzi: just run that script as user and everything is fine?12:24
Kozzitoo bad in this script I also copy .desktop files to /home/user/applications12:24
Kozziwhich is why it should be ran in root12:25
Kozzihere is what I'm doing12:25
Kozzibunch of desktop and images to be copied and then running a channel icon with toggle a command in mplayer to play a stream using profile file I made12:26
chem|stKozzi: if you do all that as user you wont need to chown anything12:30
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Kozzifor some reason .mplayer must be owner by user12:31
chem|stKozzi: do not do anything as root if you are able to do it as user12:31
Kozzilike most .* directories in /home/user12:31
chem|stKozzi: yes if user does mkdir .mplayer the folder .mplayer is owned by user12:31
Kozziso I can symbolic link those images and desktop to home/user/applications/ and ''icons/ with user access ?12:32
chem|stif user has read access to those files you can symlink any of those as user12:33
Kozzi.. cool didn't know this12:33
Kozzitoo many stupid questions again12:33
chem|styou can even symlink files you do not have access to afaik12:33
chem|stKozzi: but you are getting of topic12:34
chem|stfirst you want a directory created then you are talking about symlinking12:35
chem|st1st question is why symlink at all12:35
Kozzichem|st: I was asking another question after you answered the first one12:35
chem|stKozzi: ok12:35
chem|stso you want to create .mplayer, you do that as user and you will have it owned as user12:36
chem|stKozzi: what is the next?12:36
chem|stsymlinking what to where?12:36
Kozzicopy a config file from /home/user/tvvn/ to it12:36
chem|stKozzi: there are no stupid questions btw12:36
Kozzior symlink sorry, I just learned about symlink and find it awesome to not use12:37
chem|stKozzi: nope you dont!12:37
chem|stif a user has its own config already you will brake his preferences12:37
chem|stKozzi: you make your script use the config in tvvn12:38
Kozzichem|st: would there be a way to add content of my config to the original one ?12:38
chem|stnot make your config the users default12:38
chem|stKozzi: not without braking the initial config12:38
Kozziwhat I did with mine is renaming the original config to config_orig and then copied mine over12:38
chem|stKozzi: you may read user's config and merge it into tvvn's to have the usersettings12:39
Kozzisome users don't have .mplayer directory and therefor neither this config so I though just copying mine over could a quick fix12:39
chem|stKozzi: what don't you understand in 'do not overwrite user's default config!'12:40
chem|stKozzi: no fix, dirty habbit, people with config will get mad at you! me for example!12:40
Kozziheh ok :)12:41
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: i think when there is no config the default one from /etc used?12:41
ZogG_lap1opchem|st: overwrite like chem|st's one as he takes it to serious12:41
Kozziwhen there is no config I think mplayer generates an empty config file in ./mplayer12:41
chem|stKozzi: what you do to have the .mplayer config in and yours is you invoke mplayer with 'mplayer -include /home/user/.tvvn/mplayer.config'12:42
chem|stZogG_lap1op: wtf?12:43
chem|stKozzi: it is a general misconception to think there is no .mplayer/config or you may just overwrite it if ther is one even adding your stuff to it is bad12:45
Kozzithanks for those infos12:45
chem|stmplayer is able to include any config you want with the -include parameter12:45
KozziI just want to make it easier for others to install these tv channels12:45
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: why don't you just past parametr on start of mplayer, than no need in config at all12:46
Kozziwithout having to do much with terminal and stuff12:46
chem|stso have your config in .tvvn and source it but never ever overwrite any userfiles12:46
chem|stZogG_lap1op: you are officialy out!12:46
KozziZogG_lap1op: currently there is 9 channels and I plan to add more12:46
Kozziso having a config file with right profile would be nice for users to change to their liking12:47
ZogG_lap1opwhy don't you just add in desktop file the parameter for video output you want to change12:47
ZogG_lap1opchem|st: out of what?12:47
chem|stZogG_lap1op: stop the shit!12:47
ZogG_lap1opchem|st: man, i think you over-reacting12:48
KozziZogG_lap1op: actually I did try adding the commands directly into desktop file12:48
Kozzibut for some reason it didn't work12:48
ZogG_lap1opchem|st: and even more i know exactly what's the problem he wants to solve with config12:48
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: try to use "12:48
KozziZogG_lap1op: as you can see in the those rtmpdump... are what I want into the Exec= of desktop files12:49
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: as well you could make alias to smplayer as mplayer -your_parameter and use it maybe12:49
chem|stZogG_lap1op: he takes us seriouse and you suggest overwriting the config after I explained why it is a bad idea...12:49
Kozziadding them in their current format doesn't work and I don't know why12:49
ZogG_lap1opchem|st: i didn't actually, i joked, as i think you answered little bit rude with "what you don't understand" so i trolled you but in the way you'll see i troll and take it as joke, but you took it too serious12:50
chem|stKozzi: ehrm oyu want to add a desktopfile for each channel?12:51
Kozzino need to argue about this, it's good that I know how do this properly12:51
Kozzichem|st: due to my limited qt knowledge , yes12:51
Kozziand having all channels inside a TV folder on app drawer is imo way nicer than an app12:52
chem|stKozzi: the case script from yesterday should go well in just leave out the messages12:52
Kozzicurrently I have Exec= sh /home/user/tvvn/ channel, but it would be nice if I can add the rtmpdump command directly into this12:54
Kozzithen next time I want to add a channel, all I have is give user a desktop file and icon image12:54
chem|stZogG_lap1op: if it was about me I would not take it serious, but you never know if kozzi takes you serious if you are previously known as reliable, trolling is never good!12:54
chem|stKozzi: to get rid of the script12:55
chem|stwhat is the exec line looking like12:56
chem|stplease paste the full line12:57
Kozzicurrently for channel htv7: Exec=sh /home/user/tvvn/ htv712:57
chem|stKozzi: the one not working I mean12:58
Kozzifor vtv112:58
KozziExec=rtmpdump -v -r rtmp:// -y -f LNX_11,2,202,233 -p -t rtmp:// -s --quiet | mplayer -profile tvvn  -12:58
ZogG_lap1opchem|st: i do always troll the way you can tell in serious things12:59
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: i thik you need simplest app that would dump and play as two functions13:00
ZogG_lap1opit would be much better13:00
ZogG_lap1opso first just dump and second starts to play it if the size > x13:00
ZogG_lap1opbut the problem is the size13:01
ZogG_lap1opas if movie or what ever is too long it would fill the whole harddrive with dump13:01
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: and why do you dump?13:01
ZogG_lap1opi think mplayer can play streams out of the box13:02
KozziZogG_lap1op: I don't know how to package deb or make an app that link commands to 3rdparty apps, and I find an app to show bunch of icons is unneccessary13:02
KozziZogG_lap1op: what do you mean why dump ?13:02
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: it would be nicer to have one app when you choose channel13:02
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: wait with packaging or use qtcreator13:03
ZogG_lap1opand i would tell you that you should try to do the proper way and it's an opportunity to learn s well13:03
Kozzi isn't this good enough ?13:03
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: it's stil separete desctop files13:03
ZogG_lap1opi think it should be maiin screen to choose13:04
Kozziyeah, I don't know what loads of desktop files would cause to to os though13:04
KozziI just find this quite elegant, like that toggle flashlight app13:05
Kozzino need extra window, just an icon to run13:05
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: you can't install group or can you?13:05
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: maybe you should talk to tedtalks dev, he is here around and i think his code is open13:06
Kozziinstall group ?13:06
ZogG_lap1opKozzi: the droup of desktop files like you showed the folder13:06
Kozzioh yeah it would nice to have them automatically inside a folder13:06
ZogG_lap1opthat's the point13:07
Kozzibut yeah, dunno if it's doable13:07
ZogG_lap1opyou can't do it, at least i do not know hwere it stored and if it's in system config i wouldn't advice to touch it13:07
ZogG_lap1opi propose all in one app13:07
ZogG_lap1opagain - try to find tedstalk source and check how he is doing it, qml and qt are simple to learn with qtcreator especially13:08
Kozzionce the amount of icons exceed the showing area of a folder.. I will13:08
Kozzibtw this also work with N90013:09
Kozzithe only different is .desktop files must be copied to to /usr/share/applications/hildon/ instead13:09
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KozziZogG_lap1op: do you know if tedtalks quick is open-source ?13:34
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ZogG_lap1opKozzi: i think so13:43
ZogG_lap1opthere are two apps13:43
ZogG_lap1opone of the devs here13:43
ZogG_lap1opi do not remember the nick13:43
ZogG_lap1opbut he is nice guy13:43
ZogG_lap1opi need to look in it to check few things as well btw13:44
Kozziis there equivalent of filebox for n900 ?13:59
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ZogG_lap1opKozzi: yes, filebox =P14:25
ZogG_lap1opthere are few managrs and i don't really remember wich one i liked more, my n900 for a long time now14:26
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Lava_Crofthaha that is lovely14:56
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Vromoth-N9Hey, ZogG. What you said worked. It has no icon but i think that's my bad. lol15:11
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Lava_CroftI miss the N900's repos when dealing with my n9 :<15:33
koewe should build one:)15:36
Kozzilol I think I got banned to a vietnamese tv streaming website15:40
Kozzisuddenly none of their streams work anymore, even those secondary ip addresses15:41
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jonnidenism: atleast I can do it easily without R&D cert. I would bet that nokia care can do the same, although I havent checked what kind of hw or sw nokia care has.16:35
denismjonni: yes but most probably it is not an official way, which should not be possible for Nokia Care centers - as I know, most probably they are just a 3rd party service companies16:38
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jonnidepends what kind of FPS/Phoenix hardware the service companies have or have not.16:39
jonniphoenix with superdongle should be able to do pretty much anything, but might be that nokia care centers have more limitations. Although there is also another unofficial way.16:41
jonnibut anyways if you have very valuable data inside and have forgotten the password, there is ways to recover the data, but might be that care centers are not able.16:42
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paanybody expert in qt/qml bluetooth handling?17:01
pais there some connection btw qml BluetoothService and qt qbluetoothserviceinfo?17:01
pain other words, can i assign a BluetoothService to a QBluetoothServiceInfo?17:02
paor somehow convert the two17:02
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paim trying to connect to a bluetooth serial port17:05
paand read what the device sends me17:06
pai can discover it17:06
pa(i took the code from the declarative-scanner)17:06
paand i wanted to use something similar to the server in the btchat example to read from the port17:06
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paactually maybe i dont need the serviceinfo17:10
pai mean i might need it just for filtering purposes17:11
panever done bluetooth stuff before17:11
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ZogG_lap1op'wierd but no QA response for few days18:29
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ZogG_latopwhy does my nick changed to lap1op =)18:32
panow it's latop ;)18:38
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AlphaX2test test test18:42
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ZogG_latopfoo foo foo19:06
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piggz__N9 now working again, and most of my apps back on, except my own...might consider purchasing fotosharen9 for instant backups, tho i wonder if there is any google-drive support20:04
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ladogacan boot display mode be adjusted in harmattan20:24
ladogato show console or maybe just remove the nokia animation20:24
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paso hp is gonna hire the fired guys from nokia?20:36
AlphaX2hmm read something like this20:38
AlphaX2but WHY?20:38
ajalkanehuh why would they? They've just had their own layoffs20:39
AlphaX2They killed webOS and want to switch to server and cloud services, don't they?20:39
AlphaX2maybe they should work together HP+RIM+Nokia :D20:40
pawhat about openmobile? is it going to be out soon?20:41
AlphaX2september if I am right20:41
pawow cool!20:41
AlphaX2or october20:41
AlphaX2but with the last cut downs there were also rumors that they lost people20:42
AlphaX2R&D seems not to be so important for some companys hu?20:42
AlphaX2But I don't really like Android, WP nor iOS20:42
pasame here20:43
pabut i need the apps :)20:43
paand a couple of others20:43
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ladogaI think what happened to nokia was just good business sense from MS21:08
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ladogathey smelled the threat that QT and MeeGo would cause in mobile and embedded devices21:12
pai think that microsoft-wise it was idiotic21:14
ladogaso they killed it...people ar nokia board were naive to believe anything good would come out of the deal21:14
pameego would cause way more troubles to android than not to winphones21:14
ladogabut whos talking about phones21:15
pawell thats the only thing they killed21:15
ladogatablets, car entertainment systems and so on21:15
pameego is still alive i guess, even not supported by intel or nokia21:15
ladogai think killing harnattan seriously hurt meego as whole21:16
ladogaand qt too21:16
ladogaharmattan* :)21:16
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ladogait could have spread...ballmer would say like cancer, if not aborted in time21:18
paladoga, seriously21:18
padont you think android is a slightly larger problem? ;)21:19
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ladogabut well thats just my take on it:)21:19
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ladogaisnt android just some java stuff running on vm21:19
ladoganot a real linux21:20
ladogaother than kernel that is21:20
ladogabut yes android sure is bigger threat to their business21:20
ladogaand i guess they would happily kill it too if they could21:21
ladogamaybe people at google are just more competent21:21
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ladoga+ so many companies making those android devices21:25
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ladogacoinvincing one  to jump into MS bandwagon would have little effect on android.21:27
ladogabut im sure they have tried.21:27
payou can be sure that even fewer harmattan users will switch to MS os21:28
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ladogabut there wasnt many in the first place21:29
ladogai think MS doesnt even care if nokia succeeds with winphones, they just wanted nokia-intel partnership, meego and qt to fail.21:31
AlphaX2I think MS also want Nokia to be successful21:31
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AlphaX2they spend Billions to push the system and at the moment only Nokia supports it with devices21:31
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ladogaits peanuts to them21:33
AlphaX2I think this is the problem: everybody how are not so neat with tech or want something special will buy a iOS device21:33
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ladogathey made record profits this year21:33
AlphaX2everyone else is getting Android21:33
AlphaX2so who is getting WP?21:33
AlphaX2they are not very special and also not very cheap so - who?21:33
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AlphaX2And MeeGo/Harmattan was "Nokia style" a big bonus, but MS and WP7 is "just another OS"21:34
ladogayes, thats true21:35
AlphaX2My girlfriend wanted also to stay with Nokia cause IT IS Nokia - but the moment they "became" MS - she did not stay21:35
ladogabut i think many non techy people liked harmattan21:35
AlphaX2she said - truly - "this is not Nokia anymore..."21:36
ladoganot symbian, not wp21:36
AlphaX2I think this says nearly everything21:36
AlphaX2also the numbers show this21:37
ladogamy mum bought n9 .thats why i got one:)21:37
AlphaX2N9 sold as many times as WP7 Lumia in the first quarters - without marketing and in little markets21:37
AlphaX2also it was soooo "clever" to tell everybody on Feb11 that Symbian also will die21:38
AlphaX2About your one and only system which is in the market you tell everybody it will be killed?21:38
AlphaX2Another thing is the press: Did you read something positive about the WP/MS Deal? No! But I am so sure that the lines would so much more positive with MeeGo21:41
ladogait was thing to say if you wanted share value to plummet21:41
AlphaX2But it was clear to everyone, wasn't it?21:42
ladogawhat i mean is thst elop is not so utterly stupid21:42
AlphaX2On the other hand - it was not that bad to push Symbian - Belle was nice step21:43
payes the only good (well good but so much for it..) thing of the whole is that symbian became decent21:43
ladogakilling meltemi, closing salo factory(where n9 was built) etc.21:44
pathey still make it in china i think21:44
AlphaX2jepp there are so many aspects/facts that you have to ask: Is this intention or crazyness21:44
MohammadAGAt least BB10 is promising21:45
pait is probably intention, how much could have the harmattan r&d team cost to nokia?21:45
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, I really, really hope that goes somewhere good.21:45
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure I'll be able to handle switching to iOS or Android.21:45
ladogaincompetence it cant be...that would be just too many coincidences in row21:45
AlphaX2also the Qt future seems to be dark without a success for RIM21:45
pabut question: how good is qt doing on iOS /android?21:45
pais qtmobility implemented there?21:45
AlphaX2good question21:46
paand do you need to jailbreak to run a qt app?21:46
AlphaX2I think at Android you just install a "lib app"21:46
ladogapa: if meego had taken off there would be interest21:46
ladoganow theres lot less reason to jave it21:46
payep on android you dont have to jailbreak21:46
AlphaX2lol you bind the rocket to ground and hope it will take off^^21:47
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles: iOS is good, better than android21:47
paway better21:47
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles: We'll see21:47
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, maybe, but it's no Harmattan.21:47
AlphaX2And what about TIZEN?^^21:47
ladogai'll use up my N9s :)21:48
MohammadAGOn iOS you need to link statically21:48
GeneralAntillesThat stupid home button feels ridiculously clunky after Swipe.21:48
MohammadAG(Qt apps)21:48
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AlphaX2GeneralAntilles: OH YES!21:48
ladogaafter that i can switch back to dumbphone:)21:48
MohammadAGBut UIKit is awesome, I kinda lost hope in Qt post QML)21:48
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MohammadAGGeneralAntilles: Install that swipe tweak :P21:49
GeneralAntillesAnd Safari on iOS is just horrendous.21:49
MohammadAGAlphaX2: Tizen is a death wish21:49
AlphaX2Do you need ObjectiveC in iOS or is C++ or some other languages also possible?21:49
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles: SGSII browser beats it hands down21:50
paofficially only obj c21:50
MohammadAGBut everything else is way better on iOS21:50
ladogaAlphaX2: when my friends tried my N9 reaction eas pretty much the dame thst I had when I first tried my mums N9. Where? How much?21:50
MohammadAGGiven you jailbreak of course21:50
MohammadAGpa: You can use C++21:50
GeneralAntillesladoga, yeah, it's really a shame it's dead.21:50
ladogaAnd tjese jave been ppl with androids and iphones21:50
MohammadAGEspecially if you're doing OpenGL21:50
paah cool21:51
MohammadAGObj C isn't bad21:51
AlphaX2Okay so I have to learn C++ really21:51
MohammadAGThe only thing I consider bad is that the SDK needs a Mac21:51
AlphaX2not only some easy peasy stuff^^21:51
ladogasorry. My thumbs are too big for typing in portraid mode:)21:52
AlphaX2A MAC? There are "Hackarounds"21:52
MohammadAGAlphaX2: C++ is for your own UI code in OpenGL, for standard apps you need obj c21:52
AlphaX2I'm happy about my steps in Python21:52
MohammadAGAlphaX2: OS X then21:52
MohammadAGA hackintosh would work21:52
AlphaX2and now learn the next language21:52
AlphaX2also WP is stupid with using C#21:53
AlphaX2Android is Java21:53
MohammadAGI understood obj c quite easily coming from C++21:53
AlphaX2iOS ObjC21:53
MohammadAGIt's a bad awkward at first but then it's fine21:53
MohammadAGTbh ios and WP > android21:53
MohammadAGFrom a dev point of view21:54
AlphaX2So I really hope I can stay with RIM21:54
MohammadAGObj C and C# are a sane choice21:54
MohammadAGTo be honest21:54
MohammadAGAnyway I've been with ios since October21:55
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AlphaX2but WP seems also to be a bit strange21:55
MohammadAGReally wish this stuff had more RAM21:55
MohammadAGThe 4S's CPU is good21:55
AlphaX2And 1GB is not enough?21:55
ladogai want open phone as a computer...where i can just compile stuff. or do whatever21:56
AlphaX2ahh sure - iPad(3) was 1GB21:56
MohammadAGYou can compile on device if you jailbreak21:56
MohammadAGAt bootup you get 320ish free21:56
AlphaX2It's so strange21:57
ladogawalled gardens arent nice21:57
MohammadAGDue to the nature of closed source apps you need to use hooks to change stuff21:57
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MohammadAGWhich eats memory by loading libs in memory21:57
DocScrutinizer06well, that's what libs do21:58
MohammadAGThat's why 512MBs aren't enough, on a stock non jailbroken system for a typical user the 256 of the iPod touch are fine21:58
ladogajust like i woulndt like to use computer that was restricted to one OS or that some company dictates what i can and cannot do.21:58
DocScrutinizer06for Ld_PRELOAD though, your lib usually is pretty small21:58
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer06: loading a hacked library each time for an app isn't good21:58
MohammadAGYes, but afaik it's not the same way on iOS21:59
MohammadAGI think the lib replaces methods in a lib, and that's loaded in memory21:59
MohammadAGAt runtime of course, no patches to actual files21:59
DocScrutinizer06and AIUI a LD_PRELOADed lib is a shared lib absilutely same way any standard .so is22:00
MohammadAGAnyway, install lots of hooks, and you get about 280MBs of RAM22:00
AlphaX2I like the way Apple cares for developers - this seems to be really nice, also most Apps are not for free22:00
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MohammadAGHooks are by the community22:01
MohammadAGAlthough the ecosystem is different22:01
MohammadAGThese tweaks are sometimes paid, and mostly paid22:01
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MohammadAGErr, mostly closed*22:01
AlphaX2I mean the normal Apple iOS/iTunes Ecosystem22:02
MohammadAGiTunes isn't that bad22:02
MohammadAGI like how I could buy a new device, hook it up and have all my music and apps on the new device22:02
MohammadAGWhat sucks about it is that you can't download a song on device22:02
MohammadAGBut with some tweaks you can do that22:03
AlphaX2But iTunes is not that user friendly22:03
AlphaX2I hate the UI22:03
MohammadAGI find it fine22:03
AlphaX2on PC22:03
MohammadAGUsers get confused by syncing though22:03
AlphaX2jepp this is what I mean22:03
MohammadAGThey don't understand that deleting a song on your pc would mean it'll be deleted on your phone on next sync22:04
AlphaX2got some trouble with my girlfriends iPhone/iPad22:04
MohammadAGI've spent quite some time explaining syncing to friends what syncing is22:04
AlphaX2also this behaviour with playlists22:05
MohammadAGPlaylists are cool tbh22:05
AlphaX2jepp they are22:05
MohammadAGI never had playlists on Maemo22:05
MohammadAGThere was no easy way to manage them22:05
AlphaX2but if you came first time in touch with iTunes/iDevice22:05
AlphaX2it was a bit confussing22:06
MohammadAGI always thought I had to make a playlist with all my music and sync that22:06
MohammadAGThen I noticed you could sync all your library22:06
MohammadAGBut in time, it's a good experience22:07
AlphaX2especially  with a huge non iTunes music libary22:07
MohammadAGWell, that too22:07
AlphaX2but know I got it^^22:07
MohammadAGBut then I enabled iTunes managed folders22:07
MohammadAGSo when I drag n drop music in iTunes it copies the file into a managed folder and renames it to follow a standard22:08
MohammadAGSo now all my music is arranged in folder/artist/album/## songname.ext22:08
AlphaX2another thing is that there is no working way to sync with non-itunes software22:09
MohammadAG## is track number in a disc22:09
MohammadAGThere is, unofficially22:09
AlphaX2for Linux also?22:09
MohammadAGI used it when I got my first iPhone, which was defective22:09
AlphaX2I tried everything I've found22:09
MohammadAGHad to use an SGSII as a temp device22:09
MohammadAGAnd I needed my music library, so I installed something that syncs iTunes libs to mass storage devices22:10
AlphaX2but iOS 5.x was not supported and bla bla bla22:10
MohammadAGHost is windows only afaik22:10
MohammadAGOh, you meant managing iOS music on non iTunes machines?22:10
MohammadAGI use PwnTunes when I cba to reboot to Windows22:10
AlphaX2Whole syncing with Linux22:11
MohammadAGWhen I reboot I copy the files back to iTunes and delete the PwnTunes imports to keep all devices in sync again22:11
MohammadAGYeah, PwnTunes would work fine22:11
MohammadAGIt's paid and needs a jb22:11
MohammadAGBut it works22:11
MohammadAGYou just copy music to ~/Media/My Music and hit refresh22:12
MohammadAGYou can even scp the music over22:12
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AlphaX2ahh okay22:12
AlphaX2thats the problem22:12
MohammadAGOr just download directly on device and place in that folder22:13
AlphaX2my girlfriend don't want to jailbreak it22:13
MohammadAGHow would she know? :P22:13
AlphaX2good question22:13
MohammadAGJust hide the Cydia icon22:13
MohammadAGAnd use apt-get22:13
AlphaX2so "have a look, steal it, jailbreak it..."22:13
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MohammadAGI guarantee it works, from personal experience :P22:14
MohammadAGAnd when it goes into Safe mode for some reason, blame the user :P22:14
AlphaX2It's not my device and if she think she will not have these features - pahh stay with your closed stuff22:14
MohammadAGIf a tweak malfunctions and causes the main UI - SpringBoard - to segfault, it'll go into safe mode and no libs will be preloaded22:15
AlphaX2"Oh darling a person I've never meet in real live from the other side of the world, told me in a chatroom it will work..."^^22:15
MohammadAGJust tap restart to go back to normal mode22:16
MohammadAGAlphaX2: No, a colleague showed me how to do it step by step sounds better22:16
AlphaX2hehe I know22:16
MohammadAGSometimes you need to work around things like that :=22:17
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MohammadAGMeanwhile, I feel like downgrading from22:17
MohammadAGiOS 6 to 522:17
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AlphaX2is iOS6 something good from developer point of view?22:18
MohammadAGKind of22:19
MohammadAGJailbreak devs need it to update their tweaks which apple probably broke - unintentionally of course22:19
MohammadAGApp store devs get access to new APIs to update their apps so they're ready for release when it's out22:20
MohammadAGYou get the new SDK etc22:20
MohammadAGOf course I'm under an NDA, but this is all out in the public really :P22:21
MohammadAGiOS 6 makes you agree to an NDA, but nobody seems to give a shit :/22:21
rzrAlphaX2, not multitask22:21
AlphaX2Do this meaning every developer who is getting the beta is under NDA?^^22:21
MohammadAGBasically iOS 6 stuff shouldn't be more than what was seen in WWDC22:22
AlphaX2rzr: jepp "multitasking" on iOS is some kind of Joke22:22
AlphaX2couldn't image that there is a much better way to do it than on N900 but - than N9 cames out, also webOS blown me away^^22:23
rzrandroid let you to chroot into debian22:23
rzrnot iphone22:23
rzrso no way for iphone for me22:24
MohammadAGAlphaX2: Yes22:24
MohammadAGAlphaX2: Still better than multitasking on WP22:25
MohammadAGAlso remove the 10 minute limit and you're good :P22:25
AlphaX2What is better? N9s/webOSs multitasking22:25
AlphaX2jepp and running out of RAM^^22:25
MohammadAGIs better than WP22:25
MohammadAGApps that lose focus are paused on WP22:26
AlphaX2I don't really know it on WP22:26
MohammadAGAnd all network sockets are closed22:26
MohammadAGMeaning there can never be a proper irc client22:26
MohammadAGTo use IRC you must keep the app in foreground and not lock the screen22:27
AlphaX2So WP is for men22:27
AlphaX2concentrating only on one thing^^22:27
MohammadAGBut Skype is also affected22:27
AlphaX2what about daemons?22:27
AlphaX2Is it possible to write some?22:27
MohammadAGYou can't receive calls or chats without keeping Skype in foreground22:27
MohammadAGThere's something called background services, but it's very limited22:28
AlphaX2why they don't allow to except from that22:28
rzr<MohammadAG> You can't receive calls or chats without keeping Skype in foreground22:28
rzrr u serious ?22:28
ajalkaneIt boggles my mind. We have these pocketable devices with more computing power than the room-sized supercomputers of a a couple decades ago. And I'm supposed to be "okay" with no multitasking on them? Fuck that.22:28
rzrlol @ ms22:28
MohammadAGAnd Skype is owned by ms now technically22:28
rzri know22:28
MohammadAGBut they don't exempt themselves22:28
rzri guess it is better integrated into harm than in wp ?22:28
AlphaX2jepp AND Skype is killing WP^^22:29
MohammadAGHaving a way to exempt themselves would allow others to22:29
MohammadAGRzr yea22:29
MohammadAGSo when you think of it, iOS multitasking is way better22:29
ajalkaneI bet Nokia's plan all along was to kill WP. They're doing all of us a favor. Die in the cold sea and drag WP along with them. Thank you Nokia!22:29
AlphaX2but not as nice as on N9 ^^22:29
rzrMohammadAG, anyway i dont believe you, i'll check w/ my workmate22:30
AlphaX2could you also WP "jailbreak" or is the system itself so limited that it is not senseful?22:31
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AlphaX2But okay maybe REAL Multitask will be announced at MS event22:31
MohammadAGThere's some sort of exploit that needs an unlocked bootloader which allows you to install apps outside the market22:31
rzri guess you can break it and get wince api22:32
MohammadAGBut you can't enable multitasking and similar stuff22:32
MohammadAGThrough it22:32
MohammadAGrzr: I have a lumia, it's been off for 3 weeks22:32
AlphaX2okay and another point/fact to dislike WP^^22:32
MohammadAGIt's smooth and quick, an very limited22:32
MohammadAGFor quick stuff it's awesome22:33
rzrMohammadAG, i should get one22:33
MohammadAGLike calling/texting/chat22:33
rzrbut they did not send it to me :)22:33
rzrhow brave22:33
MohammadAGIt's way too fast22:33
MohammadAGBut for advanced stuff - like Skype :P - it sucks22:33
MohammadAGThis is my os preference atm22:34
AlphaX2to say it in a positive way there are a lot potential to be exempt22:34
MohammadAGiOS > android > WP22:34
rzrMohammadAG, which one wp7 ?22:34
rzrMohammadAG, ok22:34
rzrMohammadAG, and what about bb10 ?22:34
MohammadAGIt's not yet out22:35
MohammadAGAnd harmattan would've been before iOS, but it's dying a slow death22:35
ZogG_latoprzr: Elleo my app in ovi store now =)22:35
AlphaX2I'm a little bit sad about the fact they do there own with cascades22:35
rzrZogG, ask me to rebuild snapshot from scm if you want to22:35
AlphaX2ZogG_laptop which?22:35
ZogG_latoprzr: i learned to build nyself, that was the point, i'll update wiki as i'll have free time22:36
ZogG_latopAlphaX2: imgrup, it's on apps4meego and ovi22:36
rzrand sharedrepo22:36
AlphaX2ahhh it's written in c++ isn't it22:36
rzrZogG, now port it to mer !22:37
AlphaX2do you know python as well?22:37
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ZogG_latoprzr: does mer run on n9?22:37
MohammadAGMoo RST38h22:37
ZogG_latopAlphaX2: not really22:37
MohammadAGPython needs to die22:37
ZogG_latopAlphaX2: i don't know c++ as well22:37
ZogG_latopMohammadAG: python is nice for scripting22:38
rzrZogG, n95022:38
MohammadAGPersonal opinion, you may kill me with fire :P22:38
MohammadAGI just hate Python on a mobile device22:38
MohammadAGIt's not efficient22:38
AlphaX2ZogG_laptop Maybe you are able to write a plugin fpr imgrup for next FotoShareN9 release22:39
MohammadAGOn a server it's fine22:39
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MohammadAGI wonder how fotoshare knows when an image is captured22:39
AlphaX2MohammadAG it's not more or less efficent/slow/fast that other JIT languages22:39
pasomehow this is not working22:39
MohammadAGWatching folders, polling, or the CameraInterfaces API22:39
MohammadAGAlphaX2: It's slower than C++22:40
AlphaX2jepp sure22:40
MohammadAGAlphaX2: Oh, the CameraInterface API then22:40
AlphaX2but seems not to be the best solution22:40
AlphaX2maybe I also use tracker API to get also new files from other applications22:41
ZogG_latoprzr: if i'll get n950 than maybe, but not if i have n9 i wouldn't be able to run mer  or nemo22:41
bluesleehave you seen this ? maybe someone here can explain how that is possible, maybe a bug?22:41
MohammadAGAlphaX2: Ah you're the dev?22:41
rzrZogG, u can try to build it , just need to add a spec file into trunk22:41
AlphaX2MohammadAG: jepp22:41
ZogG_latopblueslee: what is to explaine? can you put video to youtube?22:42
MohammadAGHere's an idea from iOS AlphaX222:42
AlphaX2but the code was written very fast and is not that nice^^22:42
bluesleeZogG_latop: youtube, what is that? :-)22:42
MohammadAGHave a server companion app on PCs that receives the photos as soon as they're shot22:42
AlphaX2which idea?22:42
MohammadAGThat's my iPhone setup with iCloud22:42
AlphaX2jepp this is also planned22:43
bluesleeZogG_latop: just download it and play it from your n9, n900 etc22:43
MohammadAGWhen I take a photo, it pops on my iPad and PC22:43
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AlphaX2with Dropbox it is nearly the same22:43
bluesleeZogG_latop: by the way, congratulations22:43
AlphaX2but not with web-servers22:44
ZogG_latopi don't want to download to watch22:44
AlphaX2Jepp thats the point22:44
AlphaX2with a server you have to download them22:45
ZogG_latopas well there is opensource project as youtube alternative flash free22:45
AlphaX2With Dropbox it's nearly the iCloud experience22:45
AlphaX2 but for now it's planned to add something like a "plugin system"22:46
MohammadAGI can't experience Dropbox due to the nature of ios22:46
MohammadAGQtPluginLoader is fun AlphaX222:47
MohammadAGThe fact the main class can't inherit QObject sucks a bit, but still22:47
MohammadAGYou can work around it22:47
MohammadAGThankfully devs know how to read22:47
MohammadAGAnd if they don't, the plugin won't work :D22:48
AlphaX2I've never used it and did not know that Qt brings along something22:48
AlphaX2I should have a look22:48
MohammadAGAlphaX2: Look at
MohammadAGIt's how developers can write a toggle for MT Toggles22:49
AlphaX2due to my problem22:50
AlphaX2I've reported some hours ago?22:50
AlphaX2I was talking about the plugin system, which I didn't know22:50
MohammadAGUsed it 3 times22:51
MohammadAGI guess I could help if you hit a wall :P22:51
AlphaX2okay stop22:51
pai have a main.qml, containing a pagestackwindow, named and object named "appWindow", and when i try to do viewer.rootObject()->findChild<QObject *>("appWindow"); i get NULL22:51
AlphaX2the mt-toggle stuff is related to my problem with the switches22:52
MohammadAGHuh? What problem? :p22:52
AlphaX2Okay what is it related to?22:52
AlphaX2I dont get it22:52
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MohammadAGI showed you an example for a plugin system :p22:53
rzrStephen Elop ‏@ceoStephenElop22:53
rzrIt's unfair to claim that we don't appreciate the Meltemi team. You all are priority candidates for open jobs that we have in your country.22:53
MohammadAGI wonder how those people feel22:53
MohammadAGMust be devastating to lose your job like that  :/22:54
AlphaX2MohammadAG: At the moment my "plugin system" is just give QML with the settings UI your service need, a settings_handler code and also a upload code22:54
AlphaX2copy everything in the right place and name it the right way22:54
MohammadAGvirtual C++ methods are better :P22:55
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AlphaX2MohammadAG: Maybe but I don't really know C++, but I am SURE you can do similar things with Python. :P My problem I've reported in the Morning was another22:56
AlphaX2it seems that some QML elements emit there signal when they are loaded22:57
AlphaX2Slider for example22:57
ZogG_latopAlphaX2: is it yours? FotoShareN9?22:57
AlphaX2ZogG_laptop: jepp MohammadAG: but it's also bound to an Slot() which is called22:58
AlphaX2the same behaviour you'll find with Switches22:58
AlphaX2I want to set them on startup - is daemon running yes/no22:59
ZogG_latopAlphaX2: do you use native plugins?22:59
AlphaX2what do you mean with native23:00
AlphaX2it's now only C+23:00
AlphaX2ohh Python23:00
AlphaX2no C++23:00
AlphaX2but maybe it is possible to workaround23:00
MohammadAGOh nice nice, my room mate left the deep fryer on and went to the library 4 hours ago23:00
MohammadAGGood thing I noticed the smell23:01
fluxmohammadag, so the french fries are ready now?23:01
MohammadAGflux: No, he was making a hot oil drink23:02
MohammadAGIf he had something in there and forgot it it wouldn't be that bad23:02
AlphaX2MohammadAG: You told us so: ", you may kill me with fire "23:02
MohammadAGBur It's fucking empty23:02
MohammadAGOil must have got burned though23:03
MohammadAGDoubt it's usable again23:03
MohammadAGThat's what I'm assuming :p23:03
AlphaX2very dangerous situation hu?23:03
MohammadAGIt smells bad and is a bit hotter than my laptop23:04
AlphaX2ahh okay23:04
AlphaX2not that dangerous23:04
MohammadAGWhich FYI competes with the sun23:04
ZogG_latopput lumia inside23:04
AlphaX2ZogG_laptop and make a film23:04
AlphaX2"Will it fry"^^23:05
MohammadAGI'd call it will it fly and say I have a problem saying the letter r in the description23:05
MohammadAGAdds suspense23:05
MohammadAGFried Lumias, the best kind of Lumias23:06
piggz__N9 now working again, and most of my apps back on, except my own...might consider purchasing fotosharen9 for instant backups, tho i wonder if there is any google-drive suppor23:06
piggz__oops, dropped phone on keyboard23:06
MohammadAGFotoShare is paid?23:06
AlphaX2yes and no23:07
MohammadAGIs the keyboard fine?23:07
ZogG_latoppiggz__: i know there is app in coding competition for gdrive23:07
MohammadAGPaid open source23:07
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MohammadAGI wanted to experiment with that but i can't mentally handle piracy :P23:08
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AlphaX2But it is the "old" version, so nothing from next version can be found online23:09
ZogG_latopMohammadAG: what do you handle piracy? you don't do piracy?23:09
AlphaX2old means same as in Store23:09
AlphaX2in this case it isn't piracy23:09
rzrAlphaX2, let me suggest to rename it to photo-share-n923:09
AlphaX2Am I wrong?23:09
AlphaX2Hmm no23:10
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: lots of hot oil? place a burning candle next to it, then throw a can or bottle of beverage in an RUUUUUN! ;-P23:10
AlphaX2rzr: why?23:10
rzrthis is the convention for debian packages no caps23:11
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AlphaX2rzr: you mean the package that is build from GitHub?!23:14
mgedminI think it's more than convention -- some tools cannot handle mixed caps23:14
rzri am trying to rebuilt it now23:14
RST38hSo, how are things?23:16
* RST38h has been busyfor the last two weeks23:16
rzrthe world is doomed , else nothing new23:17
RST38hthat is not new either23:17
RST38hunless you have juicy details and a youtube video23:17
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rzrbb10 maybe ?23:17
* RST38h thinks RiM should patent this one23:17
ajalkanebb10 is a question mark, but potentially interesting23:18
ajalkaneso far only harmattan is interesting for the next few years. but I'm certainly interested to see what becomes of bb1023:18
AlphaX2jepp bb10 is interessting23:18
DocScrutinizer51RST38h: nokia finally hits the sack23:19
AlphaX2But be careful with your Harmattan devices23:19
AlphaX2they have to do there job a very long time ;)23:19
DocScrutinizer51AlphaX2: only if we find a way to replace OVI23:21
jonnithats why I have already gotten me another N9 as backup for the rainy day when 1st one breaks.23:21
RST38hDoc: slowly and sadly, yes23:21
AlphaX2what about a4m23:21
ajalkaneAlphaX2: that's why I applied to different Summer device programs :-P23:21
ZogG_latopi hope i get one from nokia for this apps for ovi award =)23:21
RST38hDoc: With Microsoft releasing its own WP8 tablets, I can't see what Nokia is left with23:21
DocScrutinizer51big void23:22
RST38hDoc: Incomplete and outdated WP7? Outsourced Symbian? Killed Maemo? Recently murdered Metelmi?23:22
rzr<DocScrutinizer51> AlphaX2: only if we find a way to replace OVI23:22
ajalkaneNokia got fucked up in the ass by MS like so many others before. But it's not like the BoD shouldn't have known it before hand23:22
RST38hDoc: S60? S40? That poor norwegian contraption they have bought?23:22
rzrwhat is the pb ?23:22
RST38hajaklane:BoD may have its own interest in this whole thing. Maybe they were promised a buyout.23:23
tehdelywhere is the news of meltemi being murdered23:23
tehdelythat is a bummer if so23:23
RST38htehdely: a moment23:23
tehdelythat's shitty23:24
DocScrutinizer51vme ponders placing it into topic23:24
DocScrutinizer51RST38h: could you do that for me?23:24
ajalkaneRST38h: may well be. The whole thing is so fishy as it's hard to believe the leadership is so totally stupid as appears from outside.23:24
RST38hI do not think I am allowed to23:24
AlphaX2but Nokia did not officially announce Meltemi and did not officialy killed it23:24
AlphaX2cause it was never there^^23:25
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MohammadAGWoo, my iPhone crashed23:25
* RST38h notices how the whole Elop thing follows the rules of effective management23:25
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DocScrutinizer51please append23:25
DocScrutinizer51not replace23:26
RST38hMohammad: that should not have happened shouldnt it?23:26
RST38ha moment23:26
AlphaX2MohammadAG: Maybe because it was sad about too many Nokia/Meltemi links here^^23:26
ajalkaneBut anyway, the BoD is on Elop's team totally. I sent an e-mail to the chairman. The reply told it all.23:26
ajalkane"Sent from my Nokia Lumia 900"23:26
* RST38h looks for the previous topic23:27
ajalkaneMy nose is on fire. I must have sneezed on the same paper I wiped the chili sauce23:28
DocScrutinizer51don't worry, I'll fix it 2 h23:28
DocScrutinizer51ajalkane: or you ran into a smell of Flop23:29
AlphaX2I case of the Nokia discussion i feel like beeing in a while loop which is not False ^^23:29
RST38hDoc: yes, please, I can't find any record of the previous topic in the logs23:29
ajalkaneDocScrutinizer51: true, my nose is a burning platform. There's an Elop in my nose!23:30
DocScrutinizer51my client at home tracks the changes23:30
AlphaX2MohammadAG, rzr: Is the github version working?23:30
AlphaX2I'm not sure about it, it should and it did for me^^23:31
RST38hFirst rule of effective management: Reduce the number of customers. More customers means more expenditures on support and developing newproducts for them.23:31
RST38hSecond rules: Reduce R&D, as you no longer going to have many customers. Reduce support too.23:32
RST38hThird rule: Reduce office space, cut down on cleaning crews etc23:33
RST38hFourth rule: THE PROFIT! You get profit by selling off unused office furniture, equipment, and subletting or selling the office space!!!23:33
MohammadAGNot sure, I can't test atm, but I don't like how you're building the debs :p23:33
MohammadAGYou should be using debian/ and dpkg-buildpackage, not dpkg-deb23:33
MohammadAGdpkg-deb is called internally by dpkg-buildpackage23:34
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ZogG_latophaha, source based distros > anything =P23:35
rzrAlphaX2, it just built23:35
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AlphaX2MohammadAG: what is better if I'm calling dpkg-buildpackage?23:37
MohammadAGYou're doing it right if you are :P23:37
ZogG_latopX-Fade: ping23:39
rzrAlphaX2, do you support webdav so far ?23:40
ZogG_latopX-Fade: one of testers tried to revote for my app but get error HTTP/1.0 405 Method not allowed, anyway to fix it?23:40
AlphaX2but it's planned23:40
rzri did hack something using javascript will show it later23:41
ZogG_latoprzr: i think my idea i proposed is more kosher, you might make a post on TMO with proposal and devs recrutment23:42
ZogG_latopjonni: do you think i should send mail to quim that app is published or post on thread is enuf?23:43
ZogG_latoprzr: so what you say?23:43
jonniZogG_latop: I only posted on thread, so should be enough23:44
ZogG_latopjonni: btw what is your app?23:44
jonniI did the VNC client port for N923:45
AlphaX2rzr: wtf^^23:46
AlphaX2It's a pitty I am so unexpirienced with all this stuff ^^23:46
AlphaX2GIT, Debian packages, ...23:47
AlphaX2what you did?^^23:47
AlphaX2I don't really understand it. ;)23:47
pajonni, would you mind porting snx too? :)23:47
jonniAlphaX2: I added the vkb handling etc, as those was missing from N900 version and was missing from rzr's port too.23:48
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AlphaX2jonni: I mean the Pull-Request rzr did to my FotoShareN9 app^^23:48
AlphaX2But also interessting23:49
jonniAlphaX2: hmm, what pull request? I havent been following the news?23:49
pabtw could someone help me with qml? theres something i dont get.. on this page , on the function item_clicked(), the first console.log() works, the second doesnt. and i dont get why the assignments i do are wrong23:49
rzrAlphaX2, I just rework the tree , to build it more easily23:49
AlphaX2It was about the way I am packaging my app, so rzr did something^^23:50
AlphaX2cause there are so many changes and new files also^^23:50
rzrAlphaX2, I plan to rebuild all apps23:50
AlphaX2all my apps?^^23:50
rzrAlphaX2, periodicaly23:50
rzrall opensources app23:50
rzrthis is a mad project i know23:50
rzrjust because it is possible23:51
AlphaX2So why you are doing this^^23:51
rzrthis will also help to test the non packaged, not released app23:51
rzri want a cutting edge repo of all existing apps to help authors to publish their apps to other stores23:52
rzrthis repo will not conflict w/ authors apps23:52
rzrauthors package i meant23:52
AlphaX2Hu? For what plattform you are rebuilding it?23:52
AlphaX2I don't understand the whole idea23:53
rzrwell you dont need to :)23:53
AlphaX2but want23:53
rzri want to rebuild the sources ... that's all :)23:53
rzru know distro like gentoo ?23:53
AlphaX2jepp I "know" it23:53
rzrsame goal23:53
paZogG_latop, any idea?23:54
AlphaX2it's name and that lot of "do it" stuff23:54
rzrstay as close to upstream as possible23:54
rzrand keep working on sources , not drm'ized store or whatever23:54
AlphaX2so my app was too far away^^23:54
rzrI havent setup the whole process yet23:55
AlphaX2can I just merge it23:55
rzrbut i plan to , let say each month rebuilt all snapshots23:55
rzrsure please do23:55
rzrthere is nothing new23:55
jonnipa: and it fails even as oneliner, ie it doesnt need \ line-endings on multiline? (havent dont js for a awhile)23:55
rzrjust debian/*23:55
jonnidone even23:55
rzrother files are just moved to ./23:55
AlphaX2hmm okay23:55
AlphaX2and how to build it then23:56
pajonni, i tried to do the assignments also in the onClicked:23:56
rzrthe pro file doest not need to be in subfolder23:56
pathey still dont assign23:56
rzrAlphaX2, then I use sb / obs23:56
pai mean the problem are the assignments, not the print23:56
rzryou can push it to app4meego if you want too23:56
jonnipa: ah assignements, I though you meant that console.log doesnt work.... missread23:56
AlphaX2jepp I wanted23:56
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rzrbut if you want to distribute it only on ovi that's possible too23:56
AlphaX2but had no idea where to start23:56
rzrlet me lead you23:56
AlphaX2It's too much for my brain - or just for a chat conversation in the evening23:57
pamaybe i shouldnt address the props with top. ?23:57
AlphaX2Okay first step merge all changes?23:57
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rzrAlphaX2, yes this is prefered23:58
rzrAlphaX2, then read
AlphaX2okay wait23:58
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rzrthat one too   *
rzrAlphaX2, i'll stay around take your time23:59

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