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| piggz_ | ok, ive got my N9 working by using flasher with --erase-user-data=secure ... bit of a bummer ive lost everything, but thats what nokia care would have done i guess...i wonder if photorec can find anything, then i will ahve to flash the emmc as there is no partition atm | 00:13 |
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| piggz_ | i think i wont user track&protect again | 00:14 |
| jonni | erase-user-data only erases the user partition, ot doesnt touch emmc | 00:14 |
| jonni | it doesnt touch | 00:14 |
| piggz_ | ah, how to rebuild user data? | 00:14 |
| jonni | so all pics on emmc should be there, (but if you also reflashed emmc image, then the pics are gone) | 00:14 |
| piggz_ | i did /flasher --erase-user-data=secure -fF <file> -R | 00:15 |
| piggz_ | but when i plug in over usb, dmesg says sdc, unknown partition table | 00:16 |
| jonni | ah, then protorec or some other rescue tool is the 1st bet | 00:17 |
| piggz_ | jonni: when finished with photorec, how do i repartition if to be correct? | 00:17 |
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| jonni | it should be able to recover atleast some of the pics. As afailk emmc is only totally nuked when you do --erase-emmc... well after you have recovered your pics, you can just flash the emmc image, and | 00:19 |
| jonni | then you have clean env. But dont reflash emmc before you have recovered needed files | 00:19 |
| piggz_ | y | 00:19 |
| piggz_ | sure | 00:19 |
| piggz_ | fsking track&protect | 00:20 |
| piggz_ | :/ | 00:20 |
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| jonni | well its a feature, that you really should setup your password before using t&p :) | 00:20 |
| jonni | and there is a trick to do so you dont have to use secure erase to recover, but you need internal people to do that trick. | 00:22 |
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| ajalkane | I guess it would be a feature if t&p forced setting of the password before it could be activated. If I understand this discussion correctly, currently it's just a bug. | 00:23 |
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| piggz_ | i guess i should set the code early on, and set nominatetrusted user | 00:26 |
| piggz_ | so, is this a known bug with t&p??? | 00:26 |
| jonni | known feature, has happened to others too. | 00:26 |
| piggz_ | if only i wasnt so eager to get a new microsim, to replace the one i cut up with scissors | 00:27 |
| jonni | but doesnt T&P webui also provide remote phone unlock feature, so you can unlock it without the password? | 00:28 |
| jonni | atleast if I remember right | 00:29 |
| piggz_ | no, there was only a wipe and lock option | 00:29 |
| piggz_ | i think wipe unlocks it, but wipes the data also | 00:29 |
| jonni | (requires credits atleast when you look trackandprotect.com main pages) | 00:30 |
| jonni | atleast T&P mainpage says auto lock at sim change, and then on requires credit part it has listed "remote phone unlock" so most likely you could have unlocked it from web without wiping. | 00:31 |
| jonni | but ofcourse this info comes a bit late, since you already wiped. | 00:34 |
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| jonni | and might be that they unlock feature does not cover harmattan. | 00:35 |
| jonni | their | 00:36 |
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| piggz_ | jonni: i read today that unlock wasnt avaialble on harmattan ( i have read lots today on the subject), here, another user in a similar situation only had options to wipe or lock http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-80821.html | 00:39 |
| jonni | might be that as 3rd party your only option is to wipe. And nokia care has a bit cleaner option to change the code without wiping. | 00:40 |
| piggz_ | no files recovered, may aswell flash emmc now | 00:42 |
| jonni | for future you might want to install PhoetoShareN9, that way every pic that you take is automaticly uploaded to dropbox or to your server, then reflashing is less stressfull. | 00:45 |
| jonni | PhotoShare even | 00:45 |
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| piggz_ | thanks, i'll do that | 00:52 |
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| AlphaX2 | hi guys | 10:19 |
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| AlphaX2 | why the hell is the QML Slider element emitting an valueChanged signal when it's starting | 10:20 |
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| rcg | just a guess, but that's probably from setting the initial value | 10:22 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp it is | 10:22 |
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| AlphaX2 | but if I have connected a slot to it - it will for example save the latest state | 10:23 |
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| AlphaX2 | so it means the given value, or if you are not setting one, the minimum | 10:23 |
| rcg | hmm, right | 10:24 |
| AlphaX2 | In my case it's a optional thing, so I also have a Switch which "enables"/show the slider | 10:25 |
| AlphaX2 | so I can prevent it with an if-construct | 10:26 |
| AlphaX2 | but I was wondering that this is the way the slider work | 10:26 |
| rcg | well, most probably you just a have internally a setter that just triggers the signal once a value is set.. including setting the initial value | 10:27 |
| rcg | that's what i would imagine implementation-wise | 10:27 |
| rcg | do the api docs maybe show some properties or hint or the like that could trigger that behavior? | 10:28 |
| AlphaX2 | I don't know | 10:29 |
| AlphaX2 | it seems to be the same with the Switch elements | 10:29 |
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| AlphaX2 | Okay it is for sure the same result for Switches | 10:42 |
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| AlphaX2 | okay I've found a "solution" for the emitted signals on startup | 11:12 |
| AlphaX2 | set default property for enabled to false | 11:13 |
| AlphaX2 | so you can set whatever you want and nothing is emitted | 11:13 |
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| AlphaX2 | after setting your properties right the way you like it, enable your elements | 11:13 |
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| denism | jonni "nokia care has a bit cleaner option to change the code without wiping." - is it really so already? It requires R&D cert for the device, is it really possible for Nokia Care? | 11:28 |
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| Kozzi | pa: do you have kmplayer installed ? | 12:10 |
| pa | yes | 12:10 |
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| pa | bbl | 12:11 |
| Kozzi | how to create an directory (.mplayer) to /home/user/ with user as owner in root ? | 12:14 |
| petteri | you can change the owner with chown | 12:15 |
| petteri | not sure if eagis prevents such things | 12:15 |
| Kozzi | under root: mkdir /home/user/.haha | 12:16 |
| Kozzi | chown /home/user/.haha users | 12:17 |
| Kozzi | chown: unknown user/group /home/user/:haha | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | man chown | 12:19 |
| ZogG_lap1op | what is haha? | 12:21 |
| petteri | maybe a test directory | 12:21 |
| merlin1991 | Kozzi: chown user:user /home/user/.haha | 12:21 |
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| petteri | root:root maybe | 12:21 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: just make this dir under user in his directory and he would have all rights | 12:21 |
| Kozzi | the correct cmd is chown user:users /home/user/.haha | 12:22 |
| Kozzi | but : operation not premitted | 12:22 |
| petteri | no | 12:22 |
| ZogG_lap1op | the corrent one is chown -R user.group_user_in /foo/bar | 12:22 |
| merlin1991 | ZogG_lap1op: s/./:/ ;) | 12:23 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: do you have inception? | 12:23 |
| ZogG_lap1op | merlin1991: it works both | 12:23 |
| petteri | you must be root to use chown | 12:23 |
| Kozzi | ZogG_lap1op: no, I just want this for others | 12:23 |
| ZogG_lap1op | merlin1991: btw i built the package | 12:23 |
| merlin1991 | how? | 12:23 |
| Kozzi | I'm writing a script that create .mplayer folder in /home/user/ for those who doesn't have kmplayer installed | 12:23 |
| ZogG_lap1op | merlin1991: -recursive =) | 12:23 |
| Kozzi | then copy config file I created to it | 12:24 |
| merlin1991 | Kozzi: just run that script as user and everything is fine? | 12:24 |
| Kozzi | too bad in this script I also copy .desktop files to /home/user/applications | 12:24 |
| Kozzi | which is why it should be ran in root | 12:25 |
| Kozzi | http://goo.gl/6miDk | 12:25 |
| Kozzi | here is what I'm doing | 12:25 |
| Kozzi | bunch of desktop and images to be copied and then running a channel icon with toggle a command in mplayer to play a stream using profile file I made | 12:26 |
| Kozzi | with=will | 12:26 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: if you do all that as user you wont need to chown anything | 12:30 |
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| Kozzi | for some reason .mplayer must be owner by user | 12:31 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: do not do anything as root if you are able to do it as user | 12:31 |
| Kozzi | like most .* directories in /home/user | 12:31 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: yes if user does mkdir .mplayer the folder .mplayer is owned by user | 12:31 |
| Kozzi | so I can symbolic link those images and desktop to home/user/applications/ and ''icons/ with user access ? | 12:32 |
| chem|st | if user has read access to those files you can symlink any of those as user | 12:33 |
| Kozzi | .. cool didn't know this | 12:33 |
| Kozzi | too many stupid questions again | 12:33 |
| chem|st | you can even symlink files you do not have access to afaik | 12:33 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: but you are getting of topic | 12:34 |
| chem|st | first you want a directory created then you are talking about symlinking | 12:35 |
| chem|st | 1st question is why symlink at all | 12:35 |
| Kozzi | chem|st: I was asking another question after you answered the first one | 12:35 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: ok | 12:35 |
| chem|st | so you want to create .mplayer, you do that as user and you will have it owned as user | 12:36 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: what is the next? | 12:36 |
| chem|st | symlinking what to where? | 12:36 |
| Kozzi | copy a config file from /home/user/tvvn/ to it | 12:36 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: there are no stupid questions btw | 12:36 |
| Kozzi | or symlink sorry, I just learned about symlink and find it awesome to not use | 12:37 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: nope you dont! | 12:37 |
| chem|st | if a user has its own config already you will brake his preferences | 12:37 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: you make your script use the config in tvvn | 12:38 |
| Kozzi | chem|st: would there be a way to add content of my config to the original one ? | 12:38 |
| chem|st | not make your config the users default | 12:38 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: not without braking the initial config | 12:38 |
| Kozzi | what I did with mine is renaming the original config to config_orig and then copied mine over | 12:38 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: you may read user's config and merge it into tvvn's to have the usersettings | 12:39 |
| Kozzi | some users don't have .mplayer directory and therefor neither this config so I though just copying mine over could a quick fix | 12:39 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: what don't you understand in 'do not overwrite user's default config!' | 12:40 |
| Kozzi | ok | 12:40 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: no fix, dirty habbit, people with config will get mad at you! me for example! | 12:40 |
| ZogG_lap1op | sed? | 12:41 |
| Kozzi | heh ok :) | 12:41 |
| ZogG_lap1op | damn | 12:41 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: i think when there is no config the default one from /etc used? | 12:41 |
| ZogG_lap1op | chem|st: overwrite like chem|st's one as he takes it to serious | 12:41 |
| Kozzi | when there is no config I think mplayer generates an empty config file in ./mplayer | 12:41 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: what you do to have the .mplayer config in and yours is you invoke mplayer with 'mplayer -include /home/user/.tvvn/mplayer.config' | 12:42 |
| chem|st | ZogG_lap1op: wtf? | 12:43 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: it is a general misconception to think there is no .mplayer/config or you may just overwrite it if ther is one even adding your stuff to it is bad | 12:45 |
| Kozzi | thanks for those infos | 12:45 |
| chem|st | mplayer is able to include any config you want with the -include parameter | 12:45 |
| Kozzi | I just want to make it easier for others to install these tv channels | 12:45 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: why don't you just past parametr on start of mplayer, than no need in config at all | 12:46 |
| Kozzi | without having to do much with terminal and stuff | 12:46 |
| chem|st | so have your config in .tvvn and source it but never ever overwrite any userfiles | 12:46 |
| chem|st | ZogG_lap1op: you are officialy out! | 12:46 |
| Kozzi | ZogG_lap1op: currently there is 9 channels and I plan to add more | 12:46 |
| Kozzi | so having a config file with right profile would be nice for users to change to their liking | 12:47 |
| ZogG_lap1op | why don't you just add in desktop file the parameter for video output you want to change | 12:47 |
| ZogG_lap1op | chem|st: out of what? | 12:47 |
| chem|st | ZogG_lap1op: stop the shit! | 12:47 |
| ZogG_lap1op | chem|st: man, i think you over-reacting | 12:48 |
| Kozzi | ZogG_lap1op: actually I did try adding the commands directly into desktop file | 12:48 |
| Kozzi | but for some reason it didn't work | 12:48 |
| ZogG_lap1op | chem|st: and even more i know exactly what's the problem he wants to solve with config | 12:48 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: try to use " | 12:48 |
| Kozzi | ZogG_lap1op: as you can see in the tvvn.sh those rtmpdump... are what I want into the Exec= of desktop files | 12:49 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: as well you could make alias to smplayer as mplayer -your_parameter and use it maybe | 12:49 |
| chem|st | ZogG_lap1op: he takes us seriouse and you suggest overwriting the config after I explained why it is a bad idea... | 12:49 |
| Kozzi | adding them in their current format doesn't work and I don't know why | 12:49 |
| ZogG_lap1op | chem|st: i didn't actually, i joked, as i think you answered little bit rude with "what you don't understand" so i trolled you but in the way you'll see i troll and take it as joke, but you took it too serious | 12:50 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: ehrm oyu want to add a desktopfile for each channel? | 12:51 |
| Kozzi | no need to argue about this, it's good that I know how do this properly | 12:51 |
| Kozzi | chem|st: due to my limited qt knowledge , yes | 12:51 |
| Kozzi | and having all channels inside a TV folder on app drawer is imo way nicer than an app | 12:52 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: the case script from yesterday should go well in just leave out the messages | 12:52 |
| Kozzi | currently I have Exec= sh /home/user/tvvn/tvvn.sh channel, but it would be nice if I can add the rtmpdump command directly into this | 12:54 |
| Kozzi | then next time I want to add a channel, all I have is give user a desktop file and icon image | 12:54 |
| chem|st | ZogG_lap1op: if it was about me I would not take it serious, but you never know if kozzi takes you serious if you are previously known as reliable, trolling is never good! | 12:54 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: to get rid of the script | 12:55 |
| chem|st | what is the exec line looking like | 12:56 |
| chem|st | please paste the full line | 12:57 |
| Kozzi | currently for channel htv7: Exec=sh /home/user/tvvn/tvvn.sh htv7 | 12:57 |
| chem|st | Kozzi: the one not working I mean | 12:58 |
| Kozzi | for vtv1 | 12:58 |
| Kozzi | Exec=rtmpdump -v -r rtmp://112.197.2.11:1935/live/vtv1.stream -y vtv1.stream -f LNX_11,2,202,233 -p http://www.tv24.vn/ -t rtmp://112.197.2.11:1935/live/vtv1.stream -s http://tv24.vn/jwplayer/player.swf --quiet | mplayer -profile tvvn - | 12:58 |
| ZogG_lap1op | chem|st: i do always troll the way you can tell in serious things | 12:59 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: i thik you need simplest app that would dump and play as two functions | 13:00 |
| ZogG_lap1op | it would be much better | 13:00 |
| ZogG_lap1op | so first just dump and second starts to play it if the size > x | 13:00 |
| ZogG_lap1op | but the problem is the size | 13:01 |
| ZogG_lap1op | as if movie or what ever is too long it would fill the whole harddrive with dump | 13:01 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: and why do you dump? | 13:01 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i think mplayer can play streams out of the box | 13:02 |
| Kozzi | ZogG_lap1op: I don't know how to package deb or make an app that link commands to 3rdparty apps, and I find an app to show bunch of icons is unneccessary | 13:02 |
| Kozzi | ZogG_lap1op: what do you mean why dump ? | 13:02 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: it would be nicer to have one app when you choose channel | 13:02 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: wait with packaging or use qtcreator | 13:03 |
| Kozzi | ZogG_lap1op: http://i.imgur.com/HXiON.png | 13:03 |
| ZogG_lap1op | and i would tell you that you should try to do the proper way and it's an opportunity to learn s well | 13:03 |
| Kozzi | isn't this good enough ? | 13:03 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: it's stil separete desctop files | 13:03 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i think it should be maiin screen to choose | 13:04 |
| Kozzi | yeah, I don't know what loads of desktop files would cause to to os though | 13:04 |
| Kozzi | I just find this quite elegant, like that toggle flashlight app | 13:05 |
| Kozzi | no need extra window, just an icon to run | 13:05 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: you can't install group or can you? | 13:05 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: maybe you should talk to tedtalks dev, he is here around and i think his code is open | 13:06 |
| Kozzi | install group ? | 13:06 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: the droup of desktop files like you showed the folder | 13:06 |
| Kozzi | oh yeah it would nice to have them automatically inside a folder | 13:06 |
| ZogG_lap1op | that's the point | 13:07 |
| Kozzi | but yeah, dunno if it's doable | 13:07 |
| ZogG_lap1op | you can't do it, at least i do not know hwere it stored and if it's in system config i wouldn't advice to touch it | 13:07 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i propose all in one app | 13:07 |
| ZogG_lap1op | again - try to find tedstalk source and check how he is doing it, qml and qt are simple to learn with qtcreator especially | 13:08 |
| Kozzi | once the amount of icons exceed the showing area of a folder.. I will | 13:08 |
| Kozzi | btw this also work with N900 | 13:09 |
| Kozzi | the only different is .desktop files must be copied to to /usr/share/applications/hildon/ instead | 13:09 |
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| Kozzi | ZogG_lap1op: do you know if tedtalks quick is open-source ? | 13:34 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: i think so | 13:43 |
| ZogG_lap1op | there are two apps | 13:43 |
| ZogG_lap1op | one of the devs here | 13:43 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i do not remember the nick | 13:43 |
| ZogG_lap1op | but he is nice guy | 13:43 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i need to look in it to check few things as well btw | 13:44 |
| Kozzi | is there equivalent of filebox for n900 ? | 13:59 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: yes, filebox =P | 14:25 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Kozzi: http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1647&faq=42 | 14:25 |
| ZogG_lap1op | there are few managrs and i don't really remember wich one i liked more, my n900 for a long time now | 14:26 |
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| Lava_Croft | haha that is lovely | 14:56 |
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| Vromoth-N9 | Hey, ZogG. What you said worked. It has no icon but i think that's my bad. lol | 15:11 |
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| Lava_Croft | I miss the N900's maemo.org repos when dealing with my n9 :< | 15:33 |
| koe | we should build one:) | 15:36 |
| Kozzi | lol I think I got banned to a vietnamese tv streaming website | 15:40 |
| koe | :D | 15:40 |
| Kozzi | suddenly none of their streams work anymore, even those secondary ip addresses | 15:41 |
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| jonni | denism: atleast I can do it easily without R&D cert. I would bet that nokia care can do the same, although I havent checked what kind of hw or sw nokia care has. | 16:35 |
| denism | jonni: yes but most probably it is not an official way, which should not be possible for Nokia Care centers - as I know, most probably they are just a 3rd party service companies | 16:38 |
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| jonni | depends what kind of FPS/Phoenix hardware the service companies have or have not. | 16:39 |
| jonni | phoenix with superdongle should be able to do pretty much anything, but might be that nokia care centers have more limitations. Although there is also another unofficial way. | 16:41 |
| jonni | but anyways if you have very valuable data inside and have forgotten the password, there is ways to recover the data, but might be that care centers are not able. | 16:42 |
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| pa | anybody expert in qt/qml bluetooth handling? | 17:01 |
| pa | is there some connection btw qml BluetoothService and qt qbluetoothserviceinfo? | 17:01 |
| pa | in other words, can i assign a BluetoothService to a QBluetoothServiceInfo? | 17:02 |
| pa | or somehow convert the two | 17:02 |
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| pa | im trying to connect to a bluetooth serial port | 17:05 |
| pa | and read what the device sends me | 17:06 |
| pa | i can discover it | 17:06 |
| pa | (i took the code from the declarative-scanner) | 17:06 |
| pa | and i wanted to use something similar to the server in the btchat example to read from the port | 17:06 |
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| pa | actually maybe i dont need the serviceinfo | 17:10 |
| pa | i mean i might need it just for filtering purposes | 17:11 |
| pa | never done bluetooth stuff before | 17:11 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | 'wierd but no QA response for few days | 18:29 |
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| ZogG_latop | why does my nick changed to lap1op =) | 18:32 |
| pa | now it's latop ;) | 18:38 |
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| TMavica | 123 | 18:41 |
| ieatlint | abc | 18:42 |
| AlphaX2 | test test test | 18:42 |
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| ZogG_latop | foo foo foo | 19:06 |
| Kozzi | ... | 19:08 |
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| piggz__ | N9 now working again, and most of my apps back on, except my own...might consider purchasing fotosharen9 for instant backups, tho i wonder if there is any google-drive support | 20:04 |
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| ladoga | can boot display mode be adjusted in harmattan | 20:24 |
| ladoga | to show console or maybe just remove the nokia animation | 20:24 |
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| pa | so hp is gonna hire the fired guys from nokia? | 20:36 |
| AlphaX2 | hmm read something like this | 20:38 |
| AlphaX2 | but WHY? | 20:38 |
| ajalkane | huh why would they? They've just had their own layoffs | 20:39 |
| AlphaX2 | They killed webOS and want to switch to server and cloud services, don't they? | 20:39 |
| AlphaX2 | maybe they should work together HP+RIM+Nokia :D | 20:40 |
| pa | what about openmobile? is it going to be out soon? | 20:41 |
| AlphaX2 | september if I am right | 20:41 |
| pa | wow cool! | 20:41 |
| AlphaX2 | or october | 20:41 |
| AlphaX2 | but with the last cut downs there were also rumors that they lost people | 20:42 |
| AlphaX2 | R&D seems not to be so important for some companys hu? | 20:42 |
| AlphaX2 | But I don't really like Android, WP nor iOS | 20:42 |
| pa | same here | 20:43 |
| pa | but i need the apps :) | 20:43 |
| pa | soundhound | 20:43 |
| pa | and a couple of others | 20:43 |
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| ladoga | I think what happened to nokia was just good business sense from MS | 21:08 |
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| ladoga | they smelled the threat that QT and MeeGo would cause in mobile and embedded devices | 21:12 |
| pa | i think that microsoft-wise it was idiotic | 21:14 |
| ladoga | so they killed it...people ar nokia board were naive to believe anything good would come out of the deal | 21:14 |
| pa | meego would cause way more troubles to android than not to winphones | 21:14 |
| ladoga | but whos talking about phones | 21:15 |
| pa | well thats the only thing they killed | 21:15 |
| pa | harmattan | 21:15 |
| ladoga | tablets, car entertainment systems and so on | 21:15 |
| pa | meego is still alive i guess, even not supported by intel or nokia | 21:15 |
| ladoga | i think killing harnattan seriously hurt meego as whole | 21:16 |
| ladoga | and qt too | 21:16 |
| ladoga | harmattan* :) | 21:16 |
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| ladoga | it could have spread...ballmer would say like cancer, if not aborted in time | 21:18 |
| pa | ladoga, seriously | 21:18 |
| pa | dont you think android is a slightly larger problem? ;) | 21:19 |
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| ladoga | but well thats just my take on it:) | 21:19 |
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| ladoga | isnt android just some java stuff running on vm | 21:19 |
| ladoga | not a real linux | 21:20 |
| ladoga | other than kernel that is | 21:20 |
| ladoga | but yes android sure is bigger threat to their business | 21:20 |
| ladoga | and i guess they would happily kill it too if they could | 21:21 |
| ladoga | maybe people at google are just more competent | 21:21 |
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| ladoga | + so many companies making those android devices | 21:25 |
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| ladoga | coinvincing one to jump into MS bandwagon would have little effect on android. | 21:27 |
| ladoga | but im sure they have tried. | 21:27 |
| pa | you can be sure that even fewer harmattan users will switch to MS os | 21:28 |
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| ladoga | but there wasnt many in the first place | 21:29 |
| ladoga | i think MS doesnt even care if nokia succeeds with winphones, they just wanted nokia-intel partnership, meego and qt to fail. | 21:31 |
| AlphaX2 | I think MS also want Nokia to be successful | 21:31 |
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| AlphaX2 | they spend Billions to push the system and at the moment only Nokia supports it with devices | 21:31 |
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| ladoga | its peanuts to them | 21:33 |
| AlphaX2 | I think this is the problem: everybody how are not so neat with tech or want something special will buy a iOS device | 21:33 |
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| ladoga | they made record profits this year | 21:33 |
| AlphaX2 | everyone else is getting Android | 21:33 |
| AlphaX2 | so who is getting WP? | 21:33 |
| AlphaX2 | they are not very special and also not very cheap so - who? | 21:33 |
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| AlphaX2 | And MeeGo/Harmattan was "Nokia style" a big bonus, but MS and WP7 is "just another OS" | 21:34 |
| ladoga | yes, thats true | 21:35 |
| AlphaX2 | My girlfriend wanted also to stay with Nokia cause IT IS Nokia - but the moment they "became" MS - she did not stay | 21:35 |
| ladoga | but i think many non techy people liked harmattan | 21:35 |
| AlphaX2 | she said - truly - "this is not Nokia anymore..." | 21:36 |
| ladoga | not symbian, not wp | 21:36 |
| AlphaX2 | I think this says nearly everything | 21:36 |
| AlphaX2 | Jepp | 21:36 |
| AlphaX2 | also the numbers show this | 21:37 |
| ladoga | my mum bought n9 .thats why i got one:) | 21:37 |
| AlphaX2 | N9 sold as many times as WP7 Lumia in the first quarters - without marketing and in little markets | 21:37 |
| AlphaX2 | also it was soooo "clever" to tell everybody on Feb11 that Symbian also will die | 21:38 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 21:38 |
| AlphaX2 | About your one and only system which is in the market you tell everybody it will be killed? | 21:38 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 21:38 |
| AlphaX2 | LOL | 21:39 |
| AlphaX2 | Another thing is the press: Did you read something positive about the WP/MS Deal? No! But I am so sure that the lines would so much more positive with MeeGo | 21:41 |
| ladoga | it was thing to say if you wanted share value to plummet | 21:41 |
| AlphaX2 | But it was clear to everyone, wasn't it? | 21:42 |
| ladoga | what i mean is thst elop is not so utterly stupid | 21:42 |
| AlphaX2 | On the other hand - it was not that bad to push Symbian - Belle was nice step | 21:43 |
| pa | yes the only good (well good but so much for it..) thing of the whole is that symbian became decent | 21:43 |
| ladoga | killing meltemi, closing salo factory(where n9 was built) etc. | 21:44 |
| pa | they still make it in china i think | 21:44 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp there are so many aspects/facts that you have to ask: Is this intention or crazyness | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | At least BB10 is promising | 21:45 |
| pa | it is probably intention, how much could have the harmattan r&d team cost to nokia? | 21:45 |
| AlphaX2 | Jepp | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, I really, really hope that goes somewhere good. | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure I'll be able to handle switching to iOS or Android. | 21:45 |
| ladoga | incompetence it cant be...that would be just too many coincidences in row | 21:45 |
| AlphaX2 | also the Qt future seems to be dark without a success for RIM | 21:45 |
| pa | but question: how good is qt doing on iOS /android? | 21:45 |
| pa | is qtmobility implemented there? | 21:45 |
| AlphaX2 | good question | 21:46 |
| pa | and do you need to jailbreak to run a qt app? | 21:46 |
| AlphaX2 | I think at Android you just install a "lib app" | 21:46 |
| ladoga | pa: if meego had taken off there would be interest | 21:46 |
| ladoga | now theres lot less reason to jave it | 21:46 |
| ladoga | have* | 21:46 |
| pa | yep on android you dont have to jailbreak | 21:46 |
| AlphaX2 | lol you bind the rocket to ground and hope it will take off^^ | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles: iOS is good, better than android | 21:47 |
| pa | way better | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles: We'll see | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, maybe, but it's no Harmattan. | 21:47 |
| AlphaX2 | And what about TIZEN?^^ | 21:47 |
| ladoga | i'll use up my N9s :) | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | On iOS you need to link statically | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | That stupid home button feels ridiculously clunky after Swipe. | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | (Qt apps) | 21:48 |
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| AlphaX2 | GeneralAntilles: OH YES! | 21:48 |
| ladoga | after that i can switch back to dumbphone:) | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | But UIKit is awesome, I kinda lost hope in Qt post QML) | 21:48 |
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| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles: Install that swipe tweak :P | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | And Safari on iOS is just horrendous. | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | AlphaX2: Tizen is a death wish | 21:49 |
| AlphaX2 | Do you need ObjectiveC in iOS or is C++ or some other languages also possible? | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles: SGSII browser beats it hands down | 21:50 |
| pa | officially only obj c | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | But everything else is way better on iOS | 21:50 |
| ladoga | AlphaX2: when my friends tried my N9 reaction eas pretty much the dame thst I had when I first tried my mums N9. Where? How much? | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | Given you jailbreak of course | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | pa: You can use C++ | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | ladoga, yeah, it's really a shame it's dead. | 21:50 |
| ladoga | And tjese jave been ppl with androids and iphones | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | Especially if you're doing OpenGL | 21:50 |
| pa | ah cool | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | Obj C isn't bad | 21:51 |
| AlphaX2 | Okay so I have to learn C++ really | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | The only thing I consider bad is that the SDK needs a Mac | 21:51 |
| AlphaX2 | not only some easy peasy stuff^^ | 21:51 |
| AlphaX2 | WHAT? | 21:51 |
| ladoga | sorry. My thumbs are too big for typing in portraid mode:) | 21:52 |
| AlphaX2 | A MAC? There are "Hackarounds" | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | AlphaX2: C++ is for your own UI code in OpenGL, for standard apps you need obj c | 21:52 |
| AlphaX2 | ... | 21:52 |
| AlphaX2 | yay | 21:52 |
| AlphaX2 | I'm happy about my steps in Python | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | AlphaX2: OS X then | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | A hackintosh would work | 21:52 |
| AlphaX2 | and now learn the next language | 21:52 |
| AlphaX2 | also WP is stupid with using C# | 21:53 |
| AlphaX2 | Android is Java | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | I understood obj c quite easily coming from C++ | 21:53 |
| AlphaX2 | iOS ObjC | 21:53 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | It's a bad awkward at first but then it's fine | 21:53 |
| AlphaX2 | hehe | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | Tbh ios and WP > android | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | From a dev point of view | 21:54 |
| AlphaX2 | So I really hope I can stay with RIM | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | Obj C and C# are a sane choice | 21:54 |
| AlphaX2 | TbH? | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | To be honest | 21:54 |
| AlphaX2 | oh^^ | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | Anyway I've been with ios since October | 21:55 |
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| AlphaX2 | but WP seems also to be a bit strange | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | Really wish this stuff had more RAM | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | The 4S's CPU is good | 21:55 |
| AlphaX2 | And 1GB is not enough? | 21:55 |
| ladoga | i want open phone as a computer...where i can just compile stuff. or do whatever | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | 512 | 21:56 |
| AlphaX2 | ahh sure - iPad(3) was 1GB | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | You can compile on device if you jailbreak | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | Yeah | 21:56 |
| ladoga | good | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | At bootup you get 320ish free | 21:56 |
| AlphaX2 | It's so strange | 21:57 |
| ladoga | walled gardens arent nice | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | Due to the nature of closed source apps you need to use hooks to change stuff | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | LD_PRELOAD | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | \o/ | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | Which eats memory by loading libs in memory | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | well, that's what libs do | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | That's why 512MBs aren't enough, on a stock non jailbroken system for a typical user the 256 of the iPod touch are fine | 21:58 |
| ladoga | just like i woulndt like to use computer that was restricted to one OS or that some company dictates what i can and cannot do. | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | for Ld_PRELOAD though, your lib usually is pretty small | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer06: loading a hacked library each time for an app isn't good | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | Yes, but afaik it's not the same way on iOS | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | I think the lib replaces methods in a lib, and that's loaded in memory | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | At runtime of course, no patches to actual files | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and AIUI a LD_PRELOADed lib is a shared lib absilutely same way any standard .so is | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | Anyway, install lots of hooks, and you get about 280MBs of RAM | 22:00 |
| AlphaX2 | I like the way Apple cares for developers - this seems to be really nice, also most Apps are not for free | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | Hmm? | 22:00 |
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| MohammadAG | Hooks are by the community | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | Although the ecosystem is different | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | These tweaks are sometimes paid, and mostly paid | 22:01 |
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| MohammadAG | Err, mostly closed* | 22:01 |
| AlphaX2 | I mean the normal Apple iOS/iTunes Ecosystem | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | iTunes isn't that bad | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | I like how I could buy a new device, hook it up and have all my music and apps on the new device | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | What sucks about it is that you can't download a song on device | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | But with some tweaks you can do that | 22:03 |
| AlphaX2 | But iTunes is not that user friendly | 22:03 |
| AlphaX2 | I hate the UI | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | I find it fine | 22:03 |
| AlphaX2 | on PC | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | Users get confused by syncing though | 22:03 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp this is what I mean | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | They don't understand that deleting a song on your pc would mean it'll be deleted on your phone on next sync | 22:04 |
| AlphaX2 | got some trouble with my girlfriends iPhone/iPad | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | I've spent quite some time explaining syncing to friends what syncing is | 22:04 |
| AlphaX2 | also this behaviour with playlists | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | Playlists are cool tbh | 22:05 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp they are | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | I never had playlists on Maemo | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | There was no easy way to manage them | 22:05 |
| AlphaX2 | but if you came first time in touch with iTunes/iDevice | 22:05 |
| AlphaX2 | it was a bit confussing | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | Agreed | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | I always thought I had to make a playlist with all my music and sync that | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | Then I noticed you could sync all your library | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | But in time, it's a good experience | 22:07 |
| AlphaX2 | especially with a huge non iTunes music libary | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | Well, that too | 22:07 |
| AlphaX2 | but know I got it^^ | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | But then I enabled iTunes managed folders | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | So when I drag n drop music in iTunes it copies the file into a managed folder and renames it to follow a standard | 22:08 |
| AlphaX2 | cool | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | So now all my music is arranged in folder/artist/album/## songname.ext | 22:08 |
| AlphaX2 | another thing is that there is no working way to sync with non-itunes software | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | ## is track number in a disc | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | There is, unofficially | 22:09 |
| AlphaX2 | for Linux also? | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | I used it when I got my first iPhone, which was defective | 22:09 |
| AlphaX2 | I tried everything I've found | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | Had to use an SGSII as a temp device | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | And I needed my music library, so I installed something that syncs iTunes libs to mass storage devices | 22:10 |
| AlphaX2 | but iOS 5.x was not supported and bla bla bla | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | Host is windows only afaik | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | Oh, you meant managing iOS music on non iTunes machines? | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | I use PwnTunes when I cba to reboot to Windows | 22:10 |
| AlphaX2 | Whole syncing with Linux | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | When I reboot I copy the files back to iTunes and delete the PwnTunes imports to keep all devices in sync again | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | Yeah, PwnTunes would work fine | 22:11 |
| AlphaX2 | really | 22:11 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | It's paid and needs a jb | 22:11 |
| AlphaX2 | jb? | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | But it works | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | You just copy music to ~/Media/My Music and hit refresh | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | Jailbreak | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | You can even scp the music over | 22:12 |
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| AlphaX2 | ahh okay | 22:12 |
| AlphaX2 | thats the problem | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | Or just download directly on device and place in that folder | 22:13 |
| AlphaX2 | my girlfriend don't want to jailbreak it | 22:13 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | How would she know? :P | 22:13 |
| AlphaX2 | hehe | 22:13 |
| AlphaX2 | good question | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | Just hide the Cydia icon | 22:13 |
| Wnt | lol | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | And use apt-get | 22:13 |
| AlphaX2 | so "have a look, steal it, jailbreak it..." | 22:13 |
| AlphaX2 | lol | 22:14 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 22:14 |
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| MohammadAG | I guarantee it works, from personal experience :P | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | And when it goes into Safe mode for some reason, blame the user :P | 22:14 |
| AlphaX2 | It's not my device and if she think she will not have these features - pahh stay with your closed stuff | 22:14 |
| AlphaX2 | muhahhaha | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | If a tweak malfunctions and causes the main UI - SpringBoard - to segfault, it'll go into safe mode and no libs will be preloaded | 22:15 |
| AlphaX2 | "Oh darling a person I've never meet in real live from the other side of the world, told me in a chatroom it will work..."^^ | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | Just tap restart to go back to normal mode | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | AlphaX2: No, a colleague showed me how to do it step by step sounds better | 22:16 |
| AlphaX2 | hehe I know | 22:16 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | Sometimes you need to work around things like that := | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | :P* | 22:17 |
| AlphaX2 | muhahahah | 22:17 |
| AlphaX2 | :D | 22:17 |
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| MohammadAG | Meanwhile, I feel like downgrading from | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | iOS 6 to 5 | 22:17 |
| AlphaX2 | hehe | 22:18 |
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| AlphaX2 | is iOS6 something good from developer point of view? | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | Kind of | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | Jailbreak devs need it to update their tweaks which apple probably broke - unintentionally of course | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | App store devs get access to new APIs to update their apps so they're ready for release when it's out | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | You get the new SDK etc | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | Of course I'm under an NDA, but this is all out in the public really :P | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | iOS 6 makes you agree to an NDA, but nobody seems to give a shit :/ | 22:21 |
| rzr | AlphaX2, not multitask | 22:21 |
| AlphaX2 | Do this meaning every developer who is getting the beta is under NDA?^^ | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | Basically iOS 6 stuff shouldn't be more than what was seen in WWDC | 22:22 |
| AlphaX2 | rzr: jepp "multitasking" on iOS is some kind of Joke | 22:22 |
| AlphaX2 | couldn't image that there is a much better way to do it than on N900 but - than N9 cames out, also webOS blown me away^^ | 22:23 |
| rzr | android let you to chroot into debian | 22:23 |
| rzr | not iphone | 22:23 |
| rzr | so no way for iphone for me | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | AlphaX2: Yes | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | AlphaX2: Still better than multitasking on WP | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | Also remove the 10 minute limit and you're good :P | 22:25 |
| AlphaX2 | What is better? N9s/webOSs multitasking | 22:25 |
| AlphaX2 | ? | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | iOS | 22:25 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp and running out of RAM^^ | 22:25 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | Is better than WP | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | Apps that lose focus are paused on WP | 22:26 |
| AlphaX2 | I don't really know it on WP | 22:26 |
| AlphaX2 | okay | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | And all network sockets are closed | 22:26 |
| AlphaX2 | hmm... | 22:26 |
| AlphaX2 | stupid | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | Meaning there can never be a proper irc client | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | To use IRC you must keep the app in foreground and not lock the screen | 22:27 |
| AlphaX2 | So WP is for men | 22:27 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 22:27 |
| AlphaX2 | concentrating only on one thing^^ | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG | Yeah | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG | But Skype is also affected | 22:27 |
| AlphaX2 | what about daemons? | 22:27 |
| AlphaX2 | Is it possible to write some? | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG | You can't receive calls or chats without keeping Skype in foreground | 22:27 |
| AlphaX2 | LOL^^ | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG | There's something called background services, but it's very limited | 22:28 |
| AlphaX2 | why they don't allow to except from that | 22:28 |
| rzr | <MohammadAG> You can't receive calls or chats without keeping Skype in foreground | 22:28 |
| rzr | r u serious ? | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | Yes | 22:28 |
| ajalkane | It boggles my mind. We have these pocketable devices with more computing power than the room-sized supercomputers of a a couple decades ago. And I'm supposed to be "okay" with no multitasking on them? Fuck that. | 22:28 |
| rzr | lol @ ms | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | And Skype is owned by ms now technically | 22:28 |
| rzr | i know | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | But they don't exempt themselves | 22:28 |
| rzr | i guess it is better integrated into harm than in wp ? | 22:28 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp AND Skype is killing WP^^ | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | Having a way to exempt themselves would allow others to | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | Rzr yea | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | So when you think of it, iOS multitasking is way better | 22:29 |
| ajalkane | I bet Nokia's plan all along was to kill WP. They're doing all of us a favor. Die in the cold sea and drag WP along with them. Thank you Nokia! | 22:29 |
| AlphaX2 | but not as nice as on N9 ^^ | 22:29 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 22:30 |
| rzr | MohammadAG, anyway i dont believe you, i'll check w/ my workmate | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | rzr: http://m.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phones/skype-for-windows-phone-is-basically-useless/7461 | 22:30 |
| AlphaX2 | lol | 22:30 |
| AlphaX2 | could you also WP "jailbreak" or is the system itself so limited that it is not senseful? | 22:31 |
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| AlphaX2 | But okay maybe REAL Multitask will be announced at MS event | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | There's some sort of exploit that needs an unlocked bootloader which allows you to install apps outside the market | 22:31 |
| rzr | i guess you can break it and get wince api | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | But you can't enable multitasking and similar stuff | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | Through it | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | rzr: I have a lumia, it's been off for 3 weeks | 22:32 |
| AlphaX2 | okay and another point/fact to dislike WP^^ | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | It's smooth and quick, an very limited | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | For quick stuff it's awesome | 22:33 |
| rzr | MohammadAG, i should get one | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | Like calling/texting/chat | 22:33 |
| rzr | but they did not send it to me :) | 22:33 |
| rzr | how brave | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | It's way too fast | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | But for advanced stuff - like Skype :P - it sucks | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | This is my os preference atm | 22:34 |
| AlphaX2 | to say it in a positive way there are a lot potential to be exempt | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | iOS > android > WP | 22:34 |
| rzr | MohammadAG, which one wp7 ? | 22:34 |
| rzr | MohammadAG, ok | 22:34 |
| rzr | MohammadAG, and what about bb10 ? | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | It's not yet out | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | And harmattan would've been before iOS, but it's dying a slow death | 22:35 |
| ZogG_latop | rzr: Elleo my app in ovi store now =) | 22:35 |
| AlphaX2 | I'm a little bit sad about the fact they do there own with cascades | 22:35 |
| rzr | congratz | 22:35 |
| rzr | ZogG, ask me to rebuild snapshot from scm if you want to | 22:35 |
| AlphaX2 | ZogG_laptop which? | 22:35 |
| ZogG_latop | rzr: i learned to build nyself, that was the point, i'll update wiki as i'll have free time | 22:36 |
| ZogG_latop | AlphaX2: imgrup, it's on apps4meego and ovi | 22:36 |
| rzr | and sharedrepo | 22:36 |
| AlphaX2 | ahhh it's written in c++ isn't it | 22:36 |
| rzr | ZogG, now port it to mer ! | 22:37 |
| AlphaX2 | do you know python as well? | 22:37 |
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| ZogG_latop | rzr: does mer run on n9? | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | Moo RST38h | 22:37 |
| ZogG_latop | AlphaX2: not really | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | Python needs to die | 22:37 |
| ZogG_latop | AlphaX2: i don't know c++ as well | 22:37 |
| ZogG_latop | MohammadAG: python is nice for scripting | 22:38 |
| AlphaX2 | MohammadAG????!?!? | 22:38 |
| AlphaX2 | WHAT | 22:38 |
| rzr | ZogG, n950 | 22:38 |
| rzr | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Status | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | Personal opinion, you may kill me with fire :P | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | I just hate Python on a mobile device | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | It's not efficient | 22:38 |
| AlphaX2 | ZogG_laptop Maybe you are able to write a plugin fpr imgrup for next FotoShareN9 release | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | On a server it's fine | 22:39 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 22:39 |
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| MohammadAG | I wonder how fotoshare knows when an image is captured | 22:39 |
| AlphaX2 | MohammadAG it's not more or less efficent/slow/fast that other JIT languages | 22:39 |
| pa | hmm | 22:39 |
| pa | somehow this is not working | 22:39 |
| pa | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qtbinding.html | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | Watching folders, polling, or the CameraInterfaces API | 22:39 |
| AlphaX2 | DBUS | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | AlphaX2: It's slower than C++ | 22:40 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp sure | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | AlphaX2: Oh, the CameraInterface API then | 22:40 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp | 22:40 |
| AlphaX2 | but seems not to be the best solution | 22:40 |
| AlphaX2 | maybe I also use tracker API to get also new files from other applications | 22:41 |
| ZogG_latop | rzr: if i'll get n950 than maybe, but not if i have n9 i wouldn't be able to run mer or nemo | 22:41 |
| blueslee | have you seen this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84986 ? maybe someone here can explain how that is possible, maybe a bug? | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | AlphaX2: Ah you're the dev? | 22:41 |
| rzr | ZogG, u can try to build it , just need to add a spec file into trunk | 22:41 |
| AlphaX2 | MohammadAG: jepp | 22:41 |
| ZogG_latop | blueslee: what is to explaine? can you put video to youtube? | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | Here's an idea from iOS AlphaX2 | 22:42 |
| AlphaX2 | but the code was written very fast and is not that nice^^ | 22:42 |
| blueslee | ZogG_latop: youtube, what is that? :-) | 22:42 |
| AlphaX2 | lol | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | Have a server companion app on PCs that receives the photos as soon as they're shot | 22:42 |
| AlphaX2 | which idea? | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | That's my iPhone setup with iCloud | 22:42 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp this is also planned | 22:43 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 22:43 |
| blueslee | ZogG_latop: just download it and play it from your n9, n900 etc | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | When I take a photo, it pops on my iPad and PC | 22:43 |
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| AlphaX2 | with Dropbox it is nearly the same | 22:43 |
| blueslee | ZogG_latop: by the way, congratulations | 22:43 |
| AlphaX2 | allready | 22:43 |
| AlphaX2 | but not with web-servers | 22:44 |
| ZogG_latop | i don't want to download to watch | 22:44 |
| AlphaX2 | !? | 22:44 |
| AlphaX2 | Jepp thats the point | 22:44 |
| AlphaX2 | with a server you have to download them | 22:45 |
| ZogG_latop | as well there is opensource project as youtube alternative flash free | 22:45 |
| AlphaX2 | With Dropbox it's nearly the iCloud experience | 22:45 |
| AlphaX2 | but for now it's planned to add something like a "plugin system" | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | I can't experience Dropbox due to the nature of ios | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | QtPluginLoader is fun AlphaX2 | 22:47 |
| AlphaX2 | Hmmm | 22:47 |
| AlphaX2 | damn | 22:47 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | The fact the main class can't inherit QObject sucks a bit, but still | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | You can work around it | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | Thankfully devs know how to read | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | And if they don't, the plugin won't work :D | 22:48 |
| AlphaX2 | What? | 22:48 |
| AlphaX2 | I've never used it and did not know that Qt brings along something | 22:48 |
| AlphaX2 | hmm | 22:48 |
| AlphaX2 | I should have a look | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | AlphaX2: Look at https://github.com/harmattan/mt-toggles/blob/master/system-ui-mt-toggles/mtabstracttoggle.h | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | It's how developers can write a toggle for MT Toggles | 22:49 |
| AlphaX2 | due to my problem | 22:50 |
| AlphaX2 | I've reported some hours ago? | 22:50 |
| AlphaX2 | I was talking about the plugin system, which I didn't know | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | Hmm? | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | Used it 3 times | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | I guess I could help if you hit a wall :P | 22:51 |
| AlphaX2 | okay stop | 22:51 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 22:51 |
| pa | i have a main.qml, containing a pagestackwindow, named and object named "appWindow", and when i try to do viewer.rootObject()->findChild<QObject *>("appWindow"); i get NULL | 22:51 |
| AlphaX2 | the mt-toggle stuff is related to my problem with the switches | 22:52 |
| AlphaX2 | ?! | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | Huh? What problem? :p | 22:52 |
| AlphaX2 | Okay what is it related to? | 22:52 |
| AlphaX2 | I dont get it | 22:52 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 22:52 |
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| MohammadAG | I showed you an example for a plugin system :p | 22:53 |
| rzr | Stephen Elop @ceoStephenElop | 22:53 |
| rzr | It's unfair to claim that we don't appreciate the Meltemi team. You all are priority candidates for open jobs that we have in your country. | 22:53 |
| AlphaX2 | Okay^^ | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | Heh | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder how those people feel | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | Must be devastating to lose your job like that :/ | 22:54 |
| AlphaX2 | MohammadAG: At the moment my "plugin system" is just give QML with the settings UI your service need, a settings_handler code and also a upload code | 22:54 |
| AlphaX2 | copy everything in the right place and name it the right way | 22:54 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | virtual C++ methods are better :P | 22:55 |
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| AlphaX2 | MohammadAG: Maybe but I don't really know C++, but I am SURE you can do similar things with Python. :P My problem I've reported in the Morning was another | 22:56 |
| AlphaX2 | it seems that some QML elements emit there signal when they are loaded | 22:57 |
| AlphaX2 | Slider for example | 22:57 |
| ZogG_latop | AlphaX2: is it yours? FotoShareN9? | 22:57 |
| AlphaX2 | ZogG_laptop: jepp MohammadAG: but it's also bound to an Slot() which is called | 22:58 |
| AlphaX2 | the same behaviour you'll find with Switches | 22:58 |
| AlphaX2 | I want to set them on startup - is daemon running yes/no | 22:59 |
| ZogG_latop | AlphaX2: do you use native plugins? | 22:59 |
| pa | argh | 22:59 |
| AlphaX2 | what do you mean with native | 23:00 |
| AlphaX2 | it's now only C+ | 23:00 |
| AlphaX2 | ohh Python | 23:00 |
| AlphaX2 | no C++ | 23:00 |
| AlphaX2 | but maybe it is possible to workaround | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | Oh nice nice, my room mate left the deep fryer on and went to the library 4 hours ago | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | Good thing I noticed the smell | 23:01 |
| AlphaX2 | LOL | 23:01 |
| flux | mohammadag, so the french fries are ready now? | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | flux: No, he was making a hot oil drink | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | If he had something in there and forgot it it wouldn't be that bad | 23:02 |
| AlphaX2 | MohammadAG: You told us so: ", you may kill me with fire " | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | Bur It's fucking empty | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | Heh | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | Creepy | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | Oil must have got burned though | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | Doubt it's usable again | 23:03 |
| AlphaX2 | WOW | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | That's what I'm assuming :p | 23:03 |
| AlphaX2 | very dangerous situation hu? | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | It smells bad and is a bit hotter than my laptop | 23:04 |
| AlphaX2 | ahh okay | 23:04 |
| AlphaX2 | not that dangerous | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | Which FYI competes with the sun | 23:04 |
| ZogG_latop | put lumia inside | 23:04 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 23:04 |
| AlphaX2 | ZogG_laptop and make a film | 23:04 |
| AlphaX2 | "Will it fry"^^ | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | I'd call it will it fly and say I have a problem saying the letter r in the description | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | Adds suspense | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | Fried Lumias, the best kind of Lumias | 23:06 |
| ZogG_latop | lol | 23:06 |
| piggz__ | N9 now working again, and most of my apps back on, except my own...might consider purchasing fotosharen9 for instant backups, tho i wonder if there is any google-drive suppor | 23:06 |
| piggz__ | oops, dropped phone on keyboard | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | FotoShare is paid? | 23:06 |
| AlphaX2 | yno^^ | 23:07 |
| AlphaX2 | yes and no | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | Is the keyboard fine? | 23:07 |
| AlphaX2 | github.com/AlphaX2/FotoShareN9 | 23:07 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | Ah | 23:07 |
| ZogG_latop | piggz__: i know there is app in coding competition for gdrive | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | Paid open source | 23:07 |
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| MohammadAG | Cool | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | I wanted to experiment with that but i can't mentally handle piracy :P | 23:08 |
| AlphaX2 | What?^^ | 23:08 |
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| AlphaX2 | But it is the "old" version, so nothing from next version can be found online | 23:09 |
| ZogG_latop | MohammadAG: what do you handle piracy? you don't do piracy? | 23:09 |
| AlphaX2 | old means same as in Store | 23:09 |
| AlphaX2 | in this case it isn't piracy | 23:09 |
| rzr | AlphaX2, let me suggest to rename it to photo-share-n9 | 23:09 |
| AlphaX2 | Am I wrong? | 23:09 |
| AlphaX2 | Hmm no | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: lots of hot oil? place a burning candle next to it, then throw a can or bottle of beverage in an RUUUUUN! ;-P | 23:10 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 23:10 |
| AlphaX2 | rzr: why? | 23:10 |
| rzr | this is the convention for debian packages no caps | 23:11 |
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| AlphaX2 | okay | 23:13 |
| AlphaX2 | rzr: you mean the package that is build from GitHub?! | 23:14 |
| mgedmin | I think it's more than convention -- some tools cannot handle mixed caps | 23:14 |
| rzr | i am trying to rebuilt it now | 23:14 |
| RST38h | So, how are things? | 23:16 |
| * RST38h has been busyfor the last two weeks | 23:16 | |
| rzr | the world is doomed , else nothing new | 23:17 |
| RST38h | that is not new either | 23:17 |
| RST38h | unless you have juicy details and a youtube video | 23:17 |
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| rzr | bb10 maybe ? | 23:17 |
| RST38h | bbgone | 23:17 |
| * RST38h thinks RiM should patent this one | 23:17 | |
| ajalkane | bb10 is a question mark, but potentially interesting | 23:18 |
| ajalkane | so far only harmattan is interesting for the next few years. but I'm certainly interested to see what becomes of bb10 | 23:18 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp bb10 is interessting | 23:18 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: nokia finally hits the sack | 23:19 |
| AlphaX2 | But be careful with your Harmattan devices | 23:19 |
| AlphaX2 | they have to do there job a very long time ;) | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | AlphaX2: only if we find a way to replace OVI | 23:21 |
| jonni | thats why I have already gotten me another N9 as backup for the rainy day when 1st one breaks. | 23:21 |
| RST38h | Doc: slowly and sadly, yes | 23:21 |
| AlphaX2 | what about a4m | 23:21 |
| AlphaX2 | ?! | 23:21 |
| ajalkane | AlphaX2: that's why I applied to different Summer device programs :-P | 23:21 |
| ZogG_latop | i hope i get one from nokia for this apps for ovi award =) | 23:21 |
| RST38h | Doc: With Microsoft releasing its own WP8 tablets, I can't see what Nokia is left with | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | big void | 23:22 |
| RST38h | Doc: Incomplete and outdated WP7? Outsourced Symbian? Killed Maemo? Recently murdered Metelmi? | 23:22 |
| rzr | <DocScrutinizer51> AlphaX2: only if we find a way to replace OVI | 23:22 |
| ajalkane | Nokia got fucked up in the ass by MS like so many others before. But it's not like the BoD shouldn't have known it before hand | 23:22 |
| RST38h | Doc: S60? S40? That poor norwegian contraption they have bought? | 23:22 |
| rzr | what is the pb ? | 23:22 |
| RST38h | ajaklane:BoD may have its own interest in this whole thing. Maybe they were promised a buyout. | 23:23 |
| tehdely | where is the news of meltemi being murdered | 23:23 |
| tehdely | that is a bummer if so | 23:23 |
| RST38h | tehdely: a moment | 23:23 |
| RST38h | http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/Nokia+news/news.asp?c=42118 | 23:23 |
| tehdely | damn | 23:24 |
| tehdely | that's shitty | 23:24 |
| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/nokia-reportedly-scraps-meltemi/ | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | vme ponders placing it into topic | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: could you do that for me? | 23:24 |
| ajalkane | RST38h: may well be. The whole thing is so fishy as it's hard to believe the leadership is so totally stupid as appears from outside. | 23:24 |
| RST38h | I do not think I am allowed to | 23:24 |
| AlphaX2 | but Nokia did not officially announce Meltemi and did not officialy killed it | 23:24 |
| AlphaX2 | cause it was never there^^ | 23:25 |
| RST38h | !topic http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/nokia-reportedly-scraps-meltemi/ | 23:25 |
| RST38h | nope | 23:25 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o RST38h | 23:25 | |
| MohammadAG | Woo, my iPhone crashed | 23:25 |
| * RST38h notices how the whole Elop thing follows the rules of effective management | 23:25 | |
| *** RST38h changes topic to "http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/nokia-reportedly-scraps-meltemi/" | 23:25 | |
| RST38h | thanks | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | please append | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not replace | 23:26 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: that should not have happened shouldnt it? | 23:26 |
| RST38h | a moment | 23:26 |
| AlphaX2 | MohammadAG: Maybe because it was sad about too many Nokia/Meltemi links here^^ | 23:26 |
| ajalkane | But anyway, the BoD is on Elop's team totally. I sent an e-mail to the chairman. The reply told it all. | 23:26 |
| ajalkane | "Sent from my Nokia Lumia 900" | 23:26 |
| * RST38h looks for the previous topic | 23:27 | |
| ajalkane | My nose is on fire. I must have sneezed on the same paper I wiped the chili sauce | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | don't worry, I'll fix it 2 h | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ajalkane: or you ran into a smell of Flop | 23:29 |
| AlphaX2 | I case of the Nokia discussion i feel like beeing in a while loop which is not False ^^ | 23:29 |
| RST38h | Doc: yes, please, I can't find any record of the previous topic in the logs | 23:29 |
| ajalkane | DocScrutinizer51: true, my nose is a burning platform. There's an Elop in my nose! | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | my client at home tracks the changes | 23:30 |
| AlphaX2 | MohammadAG, rzr: Is the github version working? | 23:30 |
| AlphaX2 | I'm not sure about it, it should and it did for me^^ | 23:31 |
| RST38h | First rule of effective management: Reduce the number of customers. More customers means more expenditures on support and developing newproducts for them. | 23:31 |
| RST38h | Second rules: Reduce R&D, as you no longer going to have many customers. Reduce support too. | 23:32 |
| RST38h | Third rule: Reduce office space, cut down on cleaning crews etc | 23:33 |
| RST38h | Fourth rule: THE PROFIT! You get profit by selling off unused office furniture, equipment, and subletting or selling the office space!!! | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | Not sure, I can't test atm, but I don't like how you're building the debs :p | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | You should be using debian/ and dpkg-buildpackage, not dpkg-deb | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg-deb is called internally by dpkg-buildpackage | 23:34 |
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| ZogG_latop | haha, source based distros > anything =P | 23:35 |
| rzr | AlphaX2, it just built | 23:35 |
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| AlphaX2 | MohammadAG: what is better if I'm calling dpkg-buildpackage? | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | You're doing it right if you are :P | 23:37 |
| AlphaX2 | yay^^ | 23:37 |
| ZogG_latop | X-Fade: ping | 23:39 |
| rzr | AlphaX2, do you support webdav so far ? | 23:40 |
| AlphaX2 | no | 23:40 |
| ZogG_latop | X-Fade: one of testers tried to revote for my app but get error HTTP/1.0 405 Method not allowed, anyway to fix it? | 23:40 |
| AlphaX2 | but it's planned | 23:40 |
| rzr | i did hack something using javascript will show it later | 23:41 |
| ZogG_latop | rzr: i think my idea i proposed is more kosher, you might make a post on TMO with proposal and devs recrutment | 23:42 |
| ZogG_latop | jonni: do you think i should send mail to quim that app is published or post on thread is enuf? | 23:43 |
| ZogG_latop | rzr: so what you say? | 23:43 |
| jonni | ZogG_latop: I only posted on thread, so should be enough | 23:44 |
| ZogG_latop | jonni: btw what is your app? | 23:44 |
| jonni | I did the VNC client port for N9 | 23:45 |
| AlphaX2 | rzr: wtf^^ | 23:46 |
| AlphaX2 | It's a pitty I am so unexpirienced with all this stuff ^^ | 23:46 |
| AlphaX2 | GIT, Debian packages, ... | 23:47 |
| AlphaX2 | what you did?^^ | 23:47 |
| AlphaX2 | I don't really understand it. ;) | 23:47 |
| pa | jonni, would you mind porting snx too? :) | 23:47 |
| jonni | AlphaX2: I added the vkb handling etc, as those was missing from N900 version and was missing from rzr's port too. | 23:48 |
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| AlphaX2 | jonni: I mean the Pull-Request rzr did to my FotoShareN9 app^^ | 23:48 |
| AlphaX2 | But also interessting | 23:49 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 23:49 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 23:49 |
| jonni | AlphaX2: hmm, what pull request? I havent been following the news? | 23:49 |
| pa | btw could someone help me with qml? theres something i dont get.. on this page http://codepad.org/94Ksufaw , on the function item_clicked(), the first console.log() works, the second doesnt. and i dont get why the assignments i do are wrong | 23:49 |
| rzr | AlphaX2, I just rework the tree , to build it more easily | 23:49 |
| AlphaX2 | It was about the way I am packaging my app, so rzr did something^^ | 23:50 |
| AlphaX2 | okay | 23:50 |
| AlphaX2 | cause there are so many changes and new files also^^ | 23:50 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 23:50 |
| rzr | AlphaX2, I plan to rebuild all apps | 23:50 |
| AlphaX2 | all my apps?^^ | 23:50 |
| rzr | AlphaX2, periodicaly | 23:50 |
| AlphaX2 | ahahaha | 23:50 |
| rzr | all opensources app | 23:50 |
| rzr | this is a mad project i know | 23:50 |
| AlphaX2 | why? | 23:50 |
| rzr | just because it is possible | 23:51 |
| AlphaX2 | So why you are doing this^^ | 23:51 |
| rzr | this will also help to test the non packaged, not released app | 23:51 |
| AlphaX2 | hmm | 23:52 |
| rzr | i want a cutting edge repo of all existing apps to help authors to publish their apps to other stores | 23:52 |
| rzr | this repo will not conflict w/ authors apps | 23:52 |
| rzr | authors package i meant | 23:52 |
| AlphaX2 | Hu? For what plattform you are rebuilding it? | 23:52 |
| rzr | harmattan | 23:52 |
| AlphaX2 | I don't understand the whole idea | 23:53 |
| rzr | well you dont need to :) | 23:53 |
| AlphaX2 | but want | 23:53 |
| rzr | i want to rebuild the sources ... that's all :) | 23:53 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 23:53 |
| AlphaX2 | okay | 23:53 |
| rzr | u know distro like gentoo ? | 23:53 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp I "know" it | 23:53 |
| rzr | same goal | 23:53 |
| pa | ZogG_latop, any idea? | 23:54 |
| AlphaX2 | it's name and that lot of "do it" stuff | 23:54 |
| rzr | stay as close to upstream as possible | 23:54 |
| AlphaX2 | okay | 23:54 |
| rzr | and keep working on sources , not drm'ized store or whatever | 23:54 |
| AlphaX2 | so my app was too far away^^ | 23:54 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 23:54 |
| rzr | I havent setup the whole process yet | 23:55 |
| AlphaX2 | lol | 23:55 |
| AlphaX2 | can I just merge it | 23:55 |
| rzr | but i plan to , let say each month rebuilt all snapshots | 23:55 |
| AlphaX2 | ?! | 23:55 |
| rzr | sure please do | 23:55 |
| rzr | there is nothing new | 23:55 |
| jonni | pa: and it fails even as oneliner, ie it doesnt need \ line-endings on multiline? (havent dont js for a awhile) | 23:55 |
| rzr | just debian/* | 23:55 |
| jonni | done even | 23:55 |
| AlphaX2 | okay | 23:55 |
| rzr | other files are just moved to ./ | 23:55 |
| AlphaX2 | hmm okay | 23:55 |
| AlphaX2 | and how to build it then | 23:56 |
| pa | jonni, i tried to do the assignments also in the onClicked: | 23:56 |
| rzr | the pro file doest not need to be in subfolder | 23:56 |
| AlphaX2 | ? | 23:56 |
| pa | they still dont assign | 23:56 |
| rzr | AlphaX2, then I use sb / obs | 23:56 |
| pa | i mean the problem are the assignments, not the print | 23:56 |
| rzr | you can push it to app4meego if you want too | 23:56 |
| jonni | pa: ah assignements, I though you meant that console.log doesnt work.... missread | 23:56 |
| AlphaX2 | jepp I wanted | 23:56 |
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| rzr | but if you want to distribute it only on ovi that's possible too | 23:56 |
| AlphaX2 | but had no idea where to start | 23:56 |
| rzr | let me lead you | 23:56 |
| AlphaX2 | okay | 23:57 |
| AlphaX2 | ^^ | 23:57 |
| AlphaX2 | ;) | 23:57 |
| AlphaX2 | It's too much for my brain - or just for a chat conversation in the evening | 23:57 |
| pa | maybe i shouldnt address the props with top. ? | 23:57 |
| AlphaX2 | Okay first step merge all changes? | 23:57 |
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| rzr | AlphaX2, yes this is prefered | 23:58 |
| rzr | AlphaX2, then read http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps | 23:58 |
| AlphaX2 | okay wait | 23:58 |
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| rzr | that one too * http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Submit | 23:59 |
| rzr | AlphaX2, i'll stay around take your time | 23:59 |
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