IRC log of #harmattan for Sunday, 2012-06-17

pa	hmm	00:00
pa	its not very efficient either	00:00
pa	but nokia added the buttons for music	00:00
pa	how did they do that?	00:00
merlin1991	somebody got the link handy for the nfc app that has all the debug info about nfc chips?	00:01
ajalkane	The music buttons are only on the lockscreen AFAIK, not on stand-by screen	00:02
pa	yes	00:02
pa	but i think Elleo was talking about lock screen	00:02
ajalkane	No, he was talking about stand-by screen	00:02
pa	ah	00:02
Elleo	pa: no that's the standby screen method	00:03
pa	so it is actually possible to have some image there?	00:03
Elleo	yes	00:03
pa	but doesnt it consume more battery if one has an image there , rather than just black?	00:03
Elleo	a tiny bit	00:03
Elleo	the low power screen is on pretty low brightness	00:03
Elleo	so a few extra non-black pixels won't make a massive difference	00:04
pa	ah i see	00:04
pa	but good that it's possible	00:04
pa	Elleo, do you have idea also whether it is possible to keep that always on, maybe with inception or something?	00:04
pa	and not let the phone switch it of using the proximity sensor	00:05
Elleo	no idea	00:05
pa	ok :)	00:05
pa	thanks	00:05
Elleo	I only have an n950, so I haven't done anything with the low power screen stuff myself	00:05
pa	but i can ask around for that..	00:06
pa	it would be cool.. maybe having a lower refresh rate for the info on the lock screen to save battery too	00:06
ajalkane	hmm hmm... I'd imagine the savings to be quite tiny	00:07
ajalkane	Why not jus tturn off the standby screen if worried about the tiny power usage?	00:07
pa	well cpupower wise, quite a bit	00:07
pa	if i have to re-raster the image every second	00:07
pa	btw is it possible to have ramdisks on harmattan?	00:08
ajalkane	okay that's understandable if the refresh is every minute.	00:08
pa	to avoid torturing the nand	00:08
ajalkane	But that's up to every application that modifies that thingy, how often they refresh	00:08
merlin1991	has anybody successfully used the autolaunching of an application via nfc tag with custom ndef message?	00:11
merlin1991	I followed the docs, but my device just claims tag could not be read	00:11
ajalkane	merlin1991: see sources of NfcInfo	00:12
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messerting	The MeeCast app has an option to show weather info on both lockscreen and low power screen	00:12
pa	cool	00:13
pa	then i have to look at it :)	00:13
messerting	:)	00:13
messerting	I didn't follow the conversation fully though	00:13
ajalkane	merlin1991: sorry, I meant NfcInteractor	00:13
messerting	there is of course also LPMC Customizer	00:13
Elleo	pa: I linked you the relevant part of meecast earlier	00:16
pa	Elleo, do you know whether it's possible to create ramdisks on harmattan?	00:17
merlin1991	ajalkane: thanks for the hints, nfcinfo already showed me that I'm writing proper tags :)	00:18
Elleo	wouldn't you need to be root?	00:18
pa	hmm.. maybe yes	00:20
Elleo	it's okay if its just for something personally that only you'd run	00:20
ajalkane	merlin1991: I meant that NfcInteractor itself writes a custom tag that launches NfcInteractor. It's sources should useful.	00:20
Elleo	but if you want to distribute it to others they're going to be pretty suspicious of you requiring root priviledges (and the majority of users won't know enough to be able to use it under those circumstances even if they trusted you enough)	00:21
pa	thats true.. but it was just an idea for having frequent refreshes of the stand by screen image without having to torture the nand	00:22
ajalkane	root user / non-root user does not make much difference in harmattan. What's important is the capabilities allowed to the app	00:22
Elleo	well you should probably be avoiding frequent refreshes altogether, full wakeups from standby frequently pretty much defeats the purpose of having a low power standby mode	00:23
pa	well it would be in case you anyway have an application running in background	00:23
pa	but perhaps in that case it would be the same to have a low brightness lock screen	00:24
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merlin1991	ajalkane: yeah I looked into the code and it indeed does :)	00:30
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ZogG	sup	00:38
ZogG	Elleo, sup dude	00:38
Elleo	ZogG: hey	00:38
ZogG	what's new?	00:39
Elleo	nothing much, released a new version of my statusnet client the other day	00:40
Elleo	other than that I'm just frantically attempting to get all my "real" work done	00:40
Elleo	how're things with you? I noticed you'd applied to the new apps in the ovi device program	00:41
Elleo	good luck with that	00:41
Elleo	considering how long its taking to get enough applicants I expect you probably have a reasonable chance	00:41
ZogG	Elleo, i would do it before but i thought i'm not that worthy, but after i saw no one is appling i tried my chances, as well i as i pushed to ovi anyway	00:43
ZogG	as well i was discharged from community award, i thought i wouldn't get device but at least get to finals	00:43
ZogG	and wa wrong =)	00:43
Elleo	ah, oh well	00:44
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ZogG	merlin1991, let's continue here	01:02
merlin1991	okay :)	01:02
merlin1991	I must say, the script looks funky :D	01:02
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merlin1991	ZogG: from where do you call that build script?	01:04
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: outside	01:04
ZogG_laptop	it takes rule fil and runs over it	01:04
pa	do you have any idea whats wrong with this code? i have troubles moc'ing it http://codepad.org/XrMWZNB0	01:08
pa	it cant find symbols	01:08
pa	and main.obj	01:09
ZogG_laptop	pa: what ya doing? and can you copy paste full error	01:09
ZogG_laptop	check my main	01:09
merlin1991	ZogG: qick testrun in scratchbox yielded in imgurplugin/imgurplugin.cpp:8: fatal error: Accounts/Account: No such file or directory	01:10
ZogG_laptop	and put other functions i see you have date function to other files for e.g. datefun.h and datefun.cpp	01:10
pa	i get this:	01:10
pa	http://codepad.org/G2Cul2Tl	01:10
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: change it to accounts-qt/Accounts/Accuount	01:10
ZogG_laptop	imerwait	01:11
pa	ZogG_laptop, hmm no, i dont have other files, im just trying to inject ApplicationData into qml	01:11
ZogG_laptop	pa: what exactly you want to eject?	01:11
pa	the qmlapplicationviewer.h is the standard one that qtcreator generates	01:11
pa	i want to inject an ApplicationData object	01:12
ZogG_laptop	pa: check my app	01:12
MohammadAG	I'd say ApplicationData() should be ApplicationData(QObject *parent = 0) : QObject(parent)	01:12
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: resync the git i pulled those changes	01:12
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ZogG_laptop	lbt: ping	01:13
pa	MohammadAG, ah thanks.. tried, but still get the same	01:13
MohammadAG	Also better practice is not to use pointers in main.cpp	01:13
MohammadAG	ApplicationData data; and use &data when you need to pass a pointer	01:13
ZogG_laptop	pointers are the mass	01:14
MohammadAG	pa: try running qmake	01:14
MohammadAG	Naw fuck	01:14
MohammadAG	My email sent spam to everyone again	01:14
pa	i did.. but maybe i cant use qobjects into main?	01:15
pa	i followed the example, tho	01:15
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: it just doesnt' build signon	01:15
merlin1991	/usr/include/AccountsUI/common.h:31: fatal error: SignOn/Error: No such file or directory	01:15
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: yeah coz it doesn't build deps from control file for no reason	01:16
ZogG_laptop	try debhelper 8.0.0 and 8 in compat	01:16
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: rzr control is the same only fwith 8 his one is building	01:17
pa	ok, i moved that class outside in another file, and now it works	01:17
merlin1991	hehe dh_clean: Sorry, but 7 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper.	01:17
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: he has empy rule file i can't use coz of qtcreator	01:17
ZogG_laptop	it doesn't recognize it	01:18
itsnotabigtruck	bloody hell, we're at the end of iso week 24	01:18
itsnotabigtruck	according to some forum thread, pr1.3 was last updated in iso week 21	01:18
merlin1991	ZogG_laptop: yeah, I suppose there is some include path missing, lemme see a bit	01:18
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: https://github.com/harmattan/imgrup/blob/master/debian/rules	01:18
itsnotabigtruck	meaning it's been 4 weeks and no release	01:18
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: it's include from include	01:18
ZogG_laptop	it just doesn't build everthing from deps	01:19
ieatlint	in past times, it wasn't unusual for there to be 4 weeks before the actual release	01:19
ZogG_laptop	even months	01:19
ZogG_laptop	and years =)	01:19
ZogG_laptop	pr1.2 epic thread for n900 is epic	01:20
itsnotabigtruck	also i wonder if it was confusing for the nokia/intel people, when there was actually a collaboration, how intel uses its own week numbering	01:20
itsnotabigtruck	and nokia uses iso numbering	01:20
ZogG_laptop	and pr1.3 came after year	01:20
itsnotabigtruck	intel is really big on its non-standard week numbers	01:20
itsnotabigtruck	also i highly doubt, if pr1.3 is to be released at all, it'll be delayed past the end of summer	01:21
itsnotabigtruck	certainly not an entire year	01:21
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: check the thing with qmake -project (Add extra # before running script) and it would fail to compile at all	01:21
ieatlint	itsnotabigtruck: intel had no real input on harmattan	01:25
ieatlint	while meego was this "joint" effort, the harmattan people just did what they wanted	01:25
ieatlint	so i don't think harmattan build numbers were too much of an issue	01:26
itsnotabigtruck	ieatlint: i thought there was significant stuff going on until early 2010	01:26
itsnotabigtruck	and what turned into harmattan was still a build of meego	01:27
itsnotabigtruck	then it all fell apart	01:27
ieatlint	2010?	01:27
ieatlint	and "build of meego" .. not really, the entire system base of harmattan is disconnected from meego really	01:27
ieatlint	it's really just a heavily modified maemo	01:27
ZogG_laptop	step 6/5 =P	01:28
DocScrutinizer05	indeed	01:29
ieatlint	well, it looks like this n9 might actually be dead	01:29
ieatlint	6h on a wall charger, and still won't twitch in any way	01:30
DocScrutinizer05	dang	01:30
merlin1991	ZogG_laptop: the complete include path for signon is missing in the g++ line	01:30
DocScrutinizer05	ieatlint: tail -f /var/log/syslog ; plug in N9 to PC	01:30
ieatlint	already tried.. nothing	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	nuttin?	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	duh	01:31
ieatlint	nothing	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	then it's dead for good	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	errr	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	meybe not	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	maybe still just a borked battery	01:32
ieatlint	really need to back up more often, heh	01:32
ieatlint	yeah, it's almost definitely the battery.. i forgot to charge it last night	01:32
DocScrutinizer05	deep discharge	01:32
ieatlint	died at about 5am	01:32
DocScrutinizer05	kills LiIon	01:32
ieatlint	yeah, but it's supposed to have safeguards for that	01:33
ieatlint	guess it failed	01:33
DocScrutinizer05	so you either got a dead cell, or a borked USB	01:33
ieatlint	usb was 100% reliable, and the timing would be too coincidental	01:33
DocScrutinizer05	you know it's supposed to charge unconditionally up to working CPU, when D+- short detected	01:33
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: I thought you tested the n9 when deep discharged, and found it recovered	01:34
DocScrutinizer05	could you by any means check if it's taking any current from USB charger?	01:34
SpeedEvil	Or was that the n950	01:34
DocScrutinizer05	that was N950	01:34
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: yes i saw that too but i have it in control	01:34
DocScrutinizer05	N9 I deduced, from schem	01:34
SpeedEvil	ah	01:34
merlin1991	ZogG_laptop: what do you mean by "control"?	01:35
ieatlint	i don't have a multimeter here, but i do have a charger that has an led indicator that turns from green to red when it detects a current	01:35
ieatlint	but i'm unclear on how much current	01:35
DocScrutinizer05	at about 60-90	01:35
DocScrutinizer05	;-D	01:35
DocScrutinizer05	got same one	01:35
DocScrutinizer05	LogiLink here	01:35
ieatlint	hah, ok, well it never turns red now	01:35
ieatlint	yep	01:35
DocScrutinizer05	dead cell, or missing D+- short	01:36
DocScrutinizer05	(LogiLink missing D+- short OOTB)	01:36
SpeedEvil	ieatlint: you have actually tried it with a diferent lead?	01:36
ZogG_laptop	merlin debian/control and i have it in pro as well	01:36
SpeedEvil	I thought my USB socket was on the way out.	01:36
ieatlint	well, would the nokia wall charger the phone came with have the proper data pin short?	01:36
SpeedEvil	Then I found that my USB leads D- had died	01:36
DocScrutinizer05	ieatlint: yep	01:37
DocScrutinizer05	ieatlint: also the one that came with N900	01:37
ieatlint	SpeedEvil: definitely not that.. tried two cables, and regardless, it works fine with my other devices	01:37
SpeedEvil	Peering into the connector for debris isn't a bad plan	01:37
ieatlint	my n900 charger is at home, and i'm on business trips for the entirety of june	01:38
DocScrutinizer05	ieatlint: you got N900 (and charger)?	01:38
DocScrutinizer05	aah	01:38
DocScrutinizer05	too bad	01:38
merlin1991	ZogG_laptop: I got it to build	01:38
DocScrutinizer05	so the LogiLink is your only charger right now?	01:39
merlin1991	ZogG_laptop: replace ##OBS qmake -project with ##OBS qmake	01:39
ieatlint	yeah, what i have here is the logilink charger, the nokia n9 charger, usb cables + laptops and a portable battery charger that shorts the data pins	01:39
merlin1991	in the original debian/rules	01:39
ieatlint	all the chargers work with the other two phones i have with me	01:39
DocScrutinizer05	ieatlint: any of those should short D+- correctly, and N9 should recover during minutes when connected to proper charger with D+- short	01:40
DocScrutinizer05	minus the LogiLink which defintely does NOT short D+-	01:40
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: do you have both with prefix and without?	01:40
merlin1991	atm I'm still testing	01:41
ieatlint	yeah, i think it's really dead :/	01:41
DocScrutinizer05	unless you modded it like I did	01:41
merlin1991	ZogG_laptop: it still builds in /opt though	01:43
ieatlint	well, it's a fitting close to the week	01:43
DocScrutinizer05	that bad a week? :-/	01:44
ieatlint	yeah, well, business trip in a place i despise	01:44
ieatlint	then on a plane to berlin tuesday	01:44
DocScrutinizer05	:-(	01:44
DocScrutinizer05	duh, Berlin	01:45
merlin1991	ZogG_laptop: do you want the binary in /opt or in /usr/bin	01:45
ZogG_laptop	where all the debs go	01:45
ZogG_laptop	bins*	01:45
ZogG_laptop	as qtcreator makes them	01:45
merlin1991	that would be /opt	01:45
koe	had this problem too.. a was going to take it to service allready, but i connected it to notebook and pushed power button several times. don't know what i did but phone turned on	01:46
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders how to help ieatlint out of the misery		01:46
ieatlint	hah	01:46
DocScrutinizer05	koe: given the situation this actually sounds like a plan	01:46
ieatlint	you're down outside of munich right?	01:46
DocScrutinizer05	ieatlint: yep, kinda	01:47
ieatlint	yeah, won't end up anywhere near there.. will be in dusseldorf for a week, but no farther south	01:47
ieatlint	we need to get a beer sometime though :P	01:47
DocScrutinizer05	a mere 200km closer to Berlin than I were in Munich	01:47
DocScrutinizer05	(beer) indeed :-D	01:48
ieatlint	wait, you're 200km closer to berlin than munich? ... that's not so much near munich :P	01:48
DocScrutinizer05	no, I'm at a distance to Berlin that's Berlin<->Munich - 200km	01:49
merlin1991	ZogG_laptop: actually a single call to "qmake" without any other fancy stuff should be enough	01:49
ieatlint	ah, i see	01:49
DocScrutinizer05	IOW I'm 200km North of Munich	01:50
merlin1991	iow?	01:50
DocScrutinizer05	180?	01:50
DocScrutinizer05	~iow	01:50
infobot	somebody said iow was In Other Words	01:50
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: i'll check it, i think it worked befoe only with qmake at some point and than stopped =)	01:50
ieatlint	so closer to where i'll be, but still a decent distance	01:50
DocScrutinizer05	dafaq, I'm in Nuernberg	01:50
DocScrutinizer05	yeah	01:51
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: i see it builds signon =P	01:51
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: make[2]: *** No rule to make target `../../../QtSDK/Madde/sysroots/harmattan_sysroot_10.2011.34-1_slim/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-maemo/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.	01:52
merlin1991	hmmm	01:53
merlin1991	on obs that is?	01:53
ZogG_laptop	yes deleting qmake prefix and would try it only with qmake	01:54
merlin1991	on my scratchbox it went through when using only qmake	01:54
ZogG_laptop	i hope so	01:55
DocScrutinizer05	damn, what an URL	01:55
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DocScrutinizer05	anyway >6h	01:56
ieatlint	i took a quick look myself, and yeah, not worth it :P	01:56
ZogG_laptop	what's that?	01:56
ieatlint	train	01:57
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: build takes sooo long =)	01:57
pa	whats the standard way to switch between pages, in a pagestackview? like i want to press a button that brings me to another page	01:57
ZogG_laptop	pa: depends it can be due in app change, button or toolbar	01:57
pa	let say due to button press	01:58
ZogG_laptop	than just change the page on click	01:59
DocScrutinizer05	ieatlint: anyway, not even a white LED shining up when you connect to charger?	02:00
pa	hm.. funny i didnt get how, so far. i see i can set an initialPage, but im not sure how to switch page	02:00
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=imgrup&project=home%3AZogG&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard	02:00
ZogG_laptop	check the error	02:00
pa	ah maybe im getting it	02:02
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ieatlint	DocScrutinizer05: nothing, no sign of life in any way	02:03
merlin1991	ZogG_laptop: how did you prepare the upload?	02:03
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: with script inside	02:03
merlin1991	hm	02:03
merlin1991	maybe run a git-clean -df first	02:03
ieatlint	pretty sure it's fully dead	02:03
ieatlint	and well, it sucks, but i'll live	02:03
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: how is git related?	02:04
merlin1991	that would clean everything out from the dir that isn't versioned	02:04
ieatlint	it'd only be a real tragedy if i had to use the hookerphone they gave me as a replacement	02:04
merlin1991	so you'd start where I start from	02:04
merlin1991	because you could possibly have any amount of bs in your tree that I don't get :D	02:04
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ZogG_laptop	pa: https://github.com/funkycode/imgrup/blob/master/src/qml/imgrup/UploadPage.qml#L162	02:05
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: synced	02:06
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merlin1991	ZogG_laptop: are you sure you uploaded a fresh version?	02:10
merlin1991	I did for fun dl the tarball on obs and it still had qmake -project in the rules file	02:11
DocScrutinizer05	ieatlint: I guess this leaves us as wise as before	02:11
ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: as i put it back, playing with it	02:11
DocScrutinizer05	ieatlint: charger chip probably stops hw charging instantly on shorted or disconnected cell, and it won't even enter charging when no D+- short	02:12
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DocScrutinizer05	at least it won't light up the LED when no D+- short	02:12
pa	ZogG_laptop, you never pop from the stack?	02:12
ieatlint	DocScrutinizer05: well, i'm just going to leave it plugged in for the next day or so, and maybe i'll get lucky	02:12
ZogG_laptop	pa: you mean main.qml?	02:13
ieatlint	it's on the nokia charger it came with, and that's about as much as i can do right now	02:13
DocScrutinizer05	it might actually be wiser to plug it in to PC, after none of the chargers worked	02:13
pa	no, the uploadpage you posted	02:13
ZogG_laptop	there as in main.cpp you don't keep code, just declare pages as in per page qmls and set default one	02:13
ieatlint	sure, i can leave it on a laptop for a day	02:14
DocScrutinizer05	ieatlint: tail -f /var/log/syslog\|grep -i usb	02:16
DocScrutinizer05	but then OTOH IIRC the charger chip has that timer that stops emergency charging after ~30min anyway	02:18
DocScrutinizer05	still 30 min should suffice to resurrect a flat cell even @ 100mA charge current, if cell isn't fubar	02:19
jonni	and you can use flasher command to put it on charging mode, so it doesnt try to bootup in a loop (which eats more current that it charges normally)	02:19
DocScrutinizer05	jonni: when device doesn't do anything, then even flasher won't help	02:19
DocScrutinizer05	[17.06.2012 00:30:52] <DocScrutinizer05> ieatlint: tail -f /var/log/syslog ; plug in N9 to PC	02:20
DocScrutinizer05	[17.06.2012 00:31:02] <ieatlint> already tried.. nothing	02:20
ieatlint	ok, good to know that >30min on the charger does nothing	02:20
ieatlint	nothing ever appears in the syslog/dmesg when i plug in the dead phone though	02:21
jonni	ah is it doesnt do anything like on when pressing powerbutton for 30 seconds, then best bet is to put device on 1A charger (that has d+- shorted)	02:21
DocScrutinizer05	that means it's not even starting ROMBL	02:21
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DocScrutinizer05	jonni: yeah, which should light up LED directly via hw	02:22
ieatlint	yeah, and nothing happens when i do	02:22
ieatlint	no leds	02:22
jonni	well sometimes no leds even come up, but still leaving it overnight with 1A should wake it up after a night or so.	02:23
ieatlint	well, been about 8h or something	02:23
DocScrutinizer05	hmm, OK	02:23
jonni	(and if there is no warranty left, then last resolt would be to dismantle the screen and put battery to external charger)	02:23
jonni	(otherwise nokia care)	02:24
DocScrutinizer05	indeed	02:24
jonni	(if battery is dead, you can always buy new battery and put it in)	02:24
ieatlint	phone was imported, i don't think it has a warranty	02:24
ieatlint	yeah, i'm wondering how well that screen can be reseated though	02:24
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jonni	you can check the warranty in your county with your imei and nokia warranty check pages	02:25
pa	cool	02:26
pa	finally i have my UI in place :)	02:26
pa	thanks guys!	02:26
pa	tomorrow i'll do the rest	02:26
DocScrutinizer05	ieatlint: I got a bit concerned about how to remove screen	02:26
ieatlint	will see... i'm sitting on it until i get home in a couple weeks, then will look at the warranty option and such	02:26
DocScrutinizer05	looked like "eeeek eeew"	02:26
pa	qml is not so bad , after all.. but yes docs sucks a bit coz its new and docs suck a little	02:27
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ieatlint	DocScrutinizer05: yeah, i was fearing it'd be very tedious to remove, and damn near impossible to replace	02:27
DocScrutinizer05	seems you're supposed to lift off the screen by levering it out thru the screw appertures	02:28
jonni	in Finnish the imei checking page would be http://www.nokia.com/fi-fi/tuki/vianmaaritys/takuutarkistus, havent looked whats the url for other countries.	02:28
jonni	I've opened one of my N9's and the screen wasnt that hard to lift up.	02:29
DocScrutinizer05	anyway not anything you wanna do in a hotel room	02:29
ieatlint	watch, they'll replace with a lumia 900 now and tell me it was an upgrade :P	02:29
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DocScrutinizer05	well, we heard of similar "dead" N9 several times now, with half of them resurrecting after 24h charger, and other half dead cell	02:32
DocScrutinizer05	pretty good evidence how mandatory it is to get all subsystems shut down hard, on low battery	02:33
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ieatlint	yep	02:34
ieatlint	well, if it miraculously recovers, great	02:34
ieatlint	i'll be ecstatic	02:34
ieatlint	otherwise, i'm carrying a fancy brick with me to europe	02:34
DocScrutinizer05	;-P	02:35
DocScrutinizer05	"I visited Europe and yet seen nothing,I've been a brick"	02:35
DocScrutinizer05	a friend of mine is knitting little beds and shirts for phones, sounds like she might stich this on a shirt for N9 :-)	02:37
ieatlint	beds and shirts for phones? ... ok	02:37
DocScrutinizer05	hihi, yep	02:37
DocScrutinizer05	that's what she told me	02:38
ieatlint	i've ended up with a good number of friends at home that do odd things like that	02:38
ieatlint	so i can relate	02:38
* ieatlint smiles and nods		02:38
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romaxa	is anyone here who tried to setup ubuntu precise, or debian rootfs on N9?	08:20
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koe	romaxa, try easy debian	09:36
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ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: ping	11:51
ZogG_laptop	ping all	11:51
rcg	pong	11:51
rcg	fwiw ;)	11:51
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ZogG_laptop	is developer.nokia id is the username there?	11:52
ZogG_laptop	or it must be some number	11:52
ZogG_laptop	M4rtinK: ping	11:54
ZogG_laptop	i jut always associate ID with number =)	11:54
arcean	ZogG, no, it's ID :)	11:55
ZogG_laptop	so username?	11:55
ZogG_laptop	your "no" to username or to number =P	11:55
M4rtinK	they changed something about it didn't they ?	11:55
M4rtinK	something with the single sign on ?	11:55
ZogG_laptop	not yet	11:56
ZogG_laptop	they sent email about it	11:56
arcean	ZogG_laptop, go to your account Settings in developer.nokia.com	11:56
arcean	on the right side select "Developer Account"	11:56
ZogG_laptop	oh	11:57
arcean	and there you should have your "Account ID" :)	11:57
arcean	it's something like AID-xxxxxxx	11:57
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ZogG_laptop	arcean: yes thanks	12:00
arcean	np :)	12:00
ZogG_laptop	arcean: i made account there but never used	12:00
ZogG_laptop	i tried to request phone once in some program	12:00
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ZogG_laptop	merlin1991: so did you succeed with it =P	12:17
ZogG_laptop	Jaffa: ping	12:18
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romaxa	koe: is there are instructions for debian install on n950/n9?	12:42
romaxa	koe: I tried to use mermoslo-rootfs, + copied precise rootfs, that did not work by some reason	12:43
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blueslee	rzr: can you add python-mechanize to your repository?	13:27
ZogG_laptop	blueslee: check the log above id is not username - fix the post	13:35
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blueslee	ZogG: ohh, what is the id?	13:36
ZogG_laptop	blueslee: arcean : ZogG_laptop, go to your account Settings, arcean : on the right side select "Developer Account"	13:38
blueslee	ZogG_laptop : okay, one moment	13:38
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ZogG_laptop	blueslee: did you pass QA today?	13:40
blueslee	ZogG_laptop: i dont know what you exactly mean, you mean at https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/Settings.xhtml ?	13:40
blueslee	ZogG_laptop: i passed QA on Friday withion 5 days but they played ping pong with me as of my "support website"	13:41
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ZogG_laptop	blueslee: what you selected as support site?	13:42
Elleo	ZogG_laptop: congratulations on getting accept :)	13:43
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blueslee	ZogG_laptop: in the end i selected one from http://tiddlyspot.com/, quite simple	13:45
blueslee	ZogG_laptop: can you tell me what i should exactly fix? i just wanted to point out that there is a 'blueslee' and also 'BluesLee' at developer.noki.com, the latter is me	13:46
ZogG_laptop	Elleo: \o/ yay	13:46
blueslee	ZogG_laptop: congratulations	13:47
ZogG_laptop	blueslee: you see in up coner of developer.nokia -setting link	13:48
ZogG_laptop	go there	13:48
ZogG_laptop	than on right you see developer account link	13:48
ZogG_laptop	than you'll see AID-XXXXXXXXXXXX number	13:48
koe	romaxa, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1180952&postcount=57	13:50
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blueslee	ZogG_laptop: sorry, i dont see this AID, at https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/Settings.xhtml is see "Nokia Developer Profile" Profile and Settings ... on the right side there is Profile settings, Privacy, Password and Discussion boards	13:56
blueslee	ZogG_laptop: i dropped quim also some emails, no one told me that i have to add a number id somewhere ... hmm	13:56
ZogG_laptop	blueslee: under	13:59
ZogG_laptop	blueslee: http://i48.tinypic.com/2yovqls.png	13:59
rzr	blueslee, done	14:00
blueslee	ZogG_laptop: wow, this is missing in my case	14:00
blueslee	rzr: thank you very much	14:00
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ZogG_laptop	rzr: i found the problem but don't know how to fix it =)	14:01
blueslee	ZogG: did you add a developer account there, this is getting interesting	14:02
ZogG_laptop	blueslee: have no idea, i did it once a long time ago	14:02
blueslee	ZogG_laptop: what is your initial role when you login? my is developer ..	14:03
blueslee	ZogG_laptop: when you click on profile under Nokia Developer Profile what do you see as your "Role"?	14:05
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blueslee	rzr: i need mechanize as a dependency for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1213465	14:07
rzr	blueslee, is that app opensource ?	14:12
blueslee	rzr: for sure, why?	14:12
rzr	i'll try to rebuilt it someday	14:12
* SpeedEvil was skimming over the post blueslee mentioned, and came to the line 'nipples, nipples'		14:13
blueslee	rzr: rebuild standbymee-efa? or mechanize? in case of the prior one i would wait as i plan to drop mechanize in future using a hidden api	14:15
blueslee	SpeedEvil: which one? tiddlyspot.com?	14:15
SpeedEvil	The screenshot in the above post.	14:15
blueslee	SpeedEvil: i have posted thre or four links, which one?	14:16
SpeedEvil	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1213465	14:16
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ZogG_laptop	blueslee: bus idea is great	14:18
blueslee	SpeedEvil: i dont understand why this should happen	14:18
blueslee	ZogG_laptop: thanks ... stay tuned, there will be one more, better than chess and bus monitoring	14:19
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Lava_Croft	did anyone create an equivalent to Maemo5's WiFi Switcher yet	14:20
blueslee	ZogG_laptop: i guess the aid you mentioned is with older accounts, in my case i miss "developer account" there or it has to do something with my initial role as a developer	14:21
blueslee	ZogG_laptop: at least mor suprising	14:21
blueslee	SpeedEvil: can you check your skimming tool only using the first post? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1213465&postcount=1	14:23
SpeedEvil	blueslee: It says nippes, nippes, I simply misread it.	14:23
SpeedEvil	blueslee: Sorry I was unclear. I read it as "nipples, nipples"	14:23
blueslee	SpeedEvil: okay:-)	14:23
ZogG_laptop	lol	14:25
ZogG_laptop	nipples app	14:25
ZogG_laptop	COBS is a mess	14:26
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rzr	blueslee, no i'd like to rebuild and share standbymee-efa?	14:32
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blueslee	rzr: i am developing the app, its unfinished and written in python, uses the standby screen and it works for now with desktop files where the information about city and station is dropped	14:38
blueslee	rzr: i would need to add preinst and postrm scripts to handle system files for the operator logo etc otherwise adding it to a repo would make less sense	14:40
blueslee	rzr: as the users would need to do it on their own ...	14:45
ZogG_laptop	rzr: i'm getting closer and closer with build =)	14:45
ZogG_laptop	but it's soooo slow	14:45
blueslee	rzr: can you tell me why you have about 394 posts but only 6 thanks? you are doing good work, i do not understand that	14:46
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ZogG_laptop	blueslee: coz he id doing good work not for noobs =)	14:48
ZogG_laptop	and they mostly give thanks	14:48
ZogG_laptop	i'm trying to give thanks even if i don't use the appp or work made by someone	14:49
blueslee	ZogG_laptop: i know that you are doing that ... for about 2 weeks i thought that no one uses standbymee-chess though there are thanks, now i know that it must be used, statistics on ovistore are good:-)	14:51
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ZogG_laptop	rzr: ping	14:54
ZogG_laptop	dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libshare-ui-common.so.0 needed by debian/imgrup/opt/imgrup/bin/imgrup (ELF format: 'elf32-littlearm'; RPATH: '/usr/lib').	14:55
ZogG_laptop	anyone knows what does it mean?	14:55
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rzr	ZogG, back	15:00
ZogG_laptop	rzr: how do you find out the names of packages to add to control file?	15:01
rzr	<blueslee> rzr: can you tell me why you have about 394 posts but only 6 thanks? you are doing good work, i do not understand that	15:01
rzr	who cares ?	15:01
ZogG_laptop	and check the error above i pasted	15:01
rzr	maybe a bug	15:01
ZogG_laptop	bug about thanks or my error	15:02
rzr	<ZogG_laptop> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libshare-ui-common.so.0 needed by debian/imgrup/opt/imgrup/bin/imgrup (ELF format: 'elf32-littlearm'; RPATH: '/usr/lib').	15:02
rzr	that one	15:02
rzr	well i guess your apps depends on that but i wasnt installed	15:02
rzr	weird	15:02
rzr	should not happend i guess	15:03
rzr	do you have that in my log too ?	15:03
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rzr	<ZogG_laptop> rzr: how do you find out the names of packages to add to control file?	15:03
rzr	i look for errors	15:03
rzr	then search missing headers	15:04
rzr	apt-file search foo.h	15:04
rzr	will tell	15:04
rzr	then experience liltle bug , experience !	15:04
ZogG_laptop	rzr: i have no scratchbox	15:06
ZogG_laptop	can you find me libshare-ui-common.so.0	15:06
ZogG_laptop	or better maemo-meegotouch-interfaces/shareuiinterface.h	15:09
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ZogG_laptop	i build it	15:18
ZogG_laptop	rzr: \o/	15:18
rzr	congratz !	15:19
rzr	now step 2 : appformeego !	15:19
rzr	"Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed : everything else is public relations." -- George Orwell	15:19
ZogG_laptop	rzr: wait it opens and parly works	15:20
ZogG_laptop	can you install it and check, i just don't get urls and gallery of imgur	15:20
ZogG_laptop	oh right	15:22
ZogG_laptop	imgur is down for maintaince	15:22
rzr	what about webdav ?	15:22
ZogG_laptop	so it works	15:22
rzr	have u checked the other app	15:22
ZogG_laptop	rzr: there is client developed	15:22
ZogG_laptop	and webdav client for gdrive as well	15:22
rzr	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84676&highlight=meedav&page=4	15:22
ZogG_laptop	rzr: primary i want to make fully working imgrup app	15:23
rzr	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1223122#post1223122	15:23
rzr	well take your time	15:23
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ZogG_laptop	rzr: so you want to upload to cloud instead of imgrup?	15:29
ZogG_laptop	coz imgrup is mostly for imgur =)	15:30
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: ping	15:30
rzr	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1223149#post1223149	15:30
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: there is request stuck for 19h mine is after, is there option that one prevent mine from buing build or i need to give it a time	15:31
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ZogG_laptop	rzr: i nailed it =P i built it. YEAH it was problem with qmake, though i tried with this option before but it didn't work than	15:32
ZogG_laptop	Elleo: i did it !!!!!!	15:34
Elleo	ZogG_laptop: awesome :)	15:35
ZogG_laptop	Elleo: it was qmake problems i tried back qmake -recursive and it worked, though tryed before and it didn't apperantly i changed few more things =)	15:36
Elleo	cool	15:37
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ZogG_laptop	Elleo: it's in apps for meego \o/	15:39
Elleo	cool, I'll do QA for it in a bit :)	15:39
ZogG_laptop	you can't as it doesn't work due imgur down for maintaince =)	15:39
Elleo	ah, heh	15:39
ZogG_laptop	M4rtinK: rzr khertan thp can you review my app as soon as imgur up?	15:40
ZogG_laptop	Elleo: damn missing desctop file =)	15:44
ZogG_laptop	again =)	15:44
Elleo	heh	15:44
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ZogG_laptop	Elleo: lol i think i made a new error =)	15:54
rzr	ZogG, will do , same for redak :)	15:54
Elleo	heh	15:55
ZogG_laptop	rzr: i did already	15:55
ZogG_laptop	M4rtinK: rzr khertan thp false alarm, still not there	15:55
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rZr	i am gone anyway	15:55
rZr	later	15:55
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ZogG_laptop	me too	15:58
ZogG_laptop	bye	15:58
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ZogG_laptop	~ping	16:34
infobot	~pong	16:34
ZogG_laptop	Elleo: attempt number over9000 =)	16:36
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ZogG_laptop	Elleo: can you check if it installs ok ?	16:36
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ZogG_laptop	i'll give you url to my local repo on COBS	16:36
ZogG_laptop	Elleo: http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/ZogG/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/armel/imgrup_0.0.6.9_armel.deb	16:37
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Elleo	ZogG_laptop: seems to work :)	16:49
Elleo	haven't tried uploading anything but it installs and runs	16:49
Elleo	and the gallery works	16:49
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ZogG_laptop	Elleo: gallery shouldn't work the one on top as imgur is down =)	16:52
Elleo	ZogG_laptop: well it works for me, so presumably it's back up	16:52
ZogG_laptop	ok i hae exam in 10 min i'm going	16:52
Elleo	works for me on the website too	16:53
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ZogG_N9	elleo it works but i see i have problems with aegis	16:56
ZogG_N9	Elleo, any idea?	16:56
Elleo	what problem are you having with aegis?	16:57
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ZogG_N9	try going to camera from bottop menu	16:57
Elleo	ah yeah, for camera stuff you need an item in your aegis manifest	16:57
ZogG_N9	ok exam is here =) brb in hour or two	16:57
Elleo	good luck :)	16:58
Elleo	ZogG_N9: iirc all you need is GRP::video	16:58
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Elleo	that's all I needed for my ocr app which uses the camera	16:59
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pa	question: i see i can set the display timeout up to 3 min	18:16
pa	is there a way to disable it?	18:16
pa	and a way to bypass the light sensor, to invert the luminosity control? (dark = high brightness, light = low brightness)	18:17
ZogG_N9	Elleo, i had all aegis stuff there	18:24
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ZogG_N9	it's like quest	18:25
pa	or even light = screen turned off, so that only when light is low, the screen turns on	18:26
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ZogG_laptop	hmm	18:27
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ZogG_laptop	Elleo: i see you have no manifest	18:27
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ZogG_laptop	Elleo: i did it i think this time properly	19:05
ZogG_laptop	it took me few weeks =\	19:05
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Elleo	ZogG_laptop: well done :), none of my published stuff needs a manifest it's only one of my unfinished apps that has one	19:47
jonni	pa: you can alter dim timout with gconf-tool	19:47
jonni	but there is a reason why UI doesnt allow more than 3 minutes by default.	19:48
pa	jonni, can i even disable it, via gconf?	19:48
pa	(and possible re-enable at application shutdown)	19:49
jonni	pa: depends what is disabling, I usually set it to 60000000 minutes. So its not disabled, but usually enough ;)	19:49
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pa	jonni, i have also another question: do you know whether it is possible to set the brightness to something very low, like in the standby screen, somehow?	19:50
pa	or even turn off and on the screen from an application?	19:51
pa	(f.ex. by sensing the proximity sensor, like in the examples)	19:51
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jonni	echo 220 > /sys/devices/omapdss/display0/backlight/display0/brightness	19:53
jonni	you can enter values between 0-255	19:54
jonni	0 is black, and 255 is brighest	19:54
jonni	by default standby screen uses 7, if I remember right	19:55
jonni	echo 0 > /sys/devices/omapdss/display0/enabled # to turn screen totally off, and echo 1 to turn it back again	19:56
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pa	thank you so much!	20:06
ZogG_laptop	M4rtinK: i did it maaaan, it was a lot of unclear things but pinpoint thru various setting revieled the truth =) now go to apps4meego and try 0.0.7 version =)	20:06
ZogG_laptop	Elleo: you to try to install it from apps4meego	20:06
pa	jonni, very last question: it seems to me that by default , psm on or off doestn matter, the brightness is also modified by the light sensor	20:06
pa	any way to disable the automatic handling of that, so that i can do it in my app?	20:07
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jonni	yes, there is a way, but I dont remember if that is public api :)	20:07
jonni	forums might have solution already posted if I remember right	20:08
pa	ah, i can check then, thanks!	20:08
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jonni	also using some of those api's might be a problem for Ovi QA, since apps are not allowed to change default behaviour of the phone too much. But ok for apps4meego :)	20:10
ZogG_laptop	jonni: i have question too, when you leak the source of harmattan?	20:10
pa	well, i plan to leave it as a user's choice	20:10
pa	do you think that's still a problem?	20:11
pa	:)	20:11
jonni	heh, sources are so big that I doubt that anyone will ever leak them.	20:11
ZogG_laptop	jonni: bigger thing were leaked =)	20:12
admiral0	jonni, meegotouchhome-nokia would be enough for me	20:13
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admiral0	i want friggin' widgets on a page	20:13
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jonni	well anyways I dont work for Meego R&D anymore, so I dont have any clues if they are ever planning to release more sources.	20:14
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jonni	hopefully someking of cssu would happen, but thats only a hope.	20:14
ZogG_laptop	i think no cssu would happen	20:15
ZogG_laptop	devs are not the same and community is not the same as at n900 era	20:15
admiral0	n9 is too locked down	20:16
ZogG_laptop	admiral0: what do you mean by too locked?	20:17
pa	good, well i cant find a non invasive way to do that, but i guess i can leave the light sensor on, if i can anyway dim the lum very much	20:17
jonni	well with sources and allcapa hack, it would be totally open, but thats not going to happen.	20:17
pa	so thanks :)	20:17
admiral0	ZogG_laptop, aegis, too many bits are closed	20:18
pa	the problem is that if sources leak, no one will anyway be legally able to use them	20:18
ZogG_laptop	pa: i just don't use it anyway and it's on lowerest always, leave that to user with msg like "for better use low dim is adviced"	20:18
ZogG_laptop	admiral0: aegis is not really a problem imho, closed parts i another story but rewrites of parts would be nice, i remember when lockscreen on n900 was closed and now it has hundreds of mods for e.g.	20:19
pa	well my prob is that i want to have a real time app, that show stuff, disable the idling, but somehow turn on the screen only when needed. i was therefore thinking of doing it when i cover the light sensor	20:20
pa	:)	20:20
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admiral0	ZogG_laptop, i wanted to do a widget screen, no way to do that without an API or opening meegotouchhome-nokia	20:22
admiral0	i even offered to do the work and create the API under NDA	20:22
admiral0	nope	20:23
admiral0	so fuck nokia	20:23
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admiral0	they didn't want the n9 to succeed	20:23
pa	fuck not just nokia	20:23
pa	i even offered sportstracker to work for them for free, no answer	20:23
pa	so i do my own :)	20:24
admiral0	oh, one little detail, i offered to do the work for free	20:24
ZogG_laptop	Elleo: ping	20:24
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ZogG_laptop	jonni: ping	20:24
jonni	ZogG_laptop: pong	20:25
ZogG_laptop	jonni: i sent quim the id on nokia, but not sure if i did right, as i sent it thru forum form, does he explained where and how to send?>	20:25
jonni	ZogG_laptop: "Please add below your preference for N950 or N9 and send an email to quim.gil nokia com with your Nokia Developer userID. Make sure your Nokia Developer profile contains the right contact & shipping details. Thanks! " so not through forum but directly to his nokia.com email.	20:26
pa	ZogG_laptop, do you know whether the device program is still ongoing?	20:27
M4rtinK	jonni: there might by also issues with aegis	20:27
pa	meaning that ccould someone in principle still get a device, if an app is sent like this week?	20:27
jonni	thats in the wiki righ under the accepted text.	20:27
M4rtinK	but it might work in open mode	20:27
jonni	pa: device programs are already closed from new submissions, only the coding competition and community awards are open anymore.	20:28
pa	ah okay.. so i should submit an app, and hope community will like it?	20:29
jonni	submit app to coding competition, and hope that you get enough votes in your category, and that way you way you can win a device.	20:29
M4rtinK	ZogG_laptop: don't forget to document your COBS odyssey on the wiki once you have some free time :)	20:29
ZogG_laptop	M4rtinK: sure though i think i forgot few things already =)))	20:31
ZogG_laptop	pa: which one? to ovi? i think i'm the last one	20:32
pa	jonni, i see an "adaptive_display_dim_threshold" in gconf	20:39
pa	do you think i can sort of trick the light sensor by changing that one?	20:39
pa	ah there is also an "use_adaptive_display_dimming"	20:40
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romaxa	koe: ping	20:44
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pa	hm.. is it normal that qtcreator cant find gconfitem.h?	21:13
ajalkane	pa: I think not. What version you're using?	21:14
pa	latest	21:14
pa	121	21:14
ajalkane	An the target is Harmattan?	21:14
pa	yes, qemued harmattan	21:14
pa	im trying also with remote compiler, but it also doesnt find it	21:15
ajalkane	121 is old as Jesus	21:15
pa	i mean qtsdk 1.2.1	21:15
ajalkane	My version is 2.4.1 and even that is old	21:15
ajalkane	Oh	21:15
pa	its 2.4.1	21:15
pa	yes	21:15
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pa	well i guess i can work it around, somehow	21:16
pa	with a system() or two	21:16
ajalkane	I see... hmm... I've had no problems with qconfitem.h with that version	21:17
pa	i included just like #include <gconfitem.h>	21:17
pa	ah, qconfitem?	21:17
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ajalkane	yeah	21:18
ajalkane	ah no	21:18
pa	i was talking about gconfitem :)	21:18
ajalkane	sorry... misspelled	21:18
ajalkane	I'm including it also as gconfitem.h, no problems	21:18
pa	ah okay	21:18
pa	ah maybe gq/gconfitem?	21:26
ajalkane	I have just strictly	21:26
ajalkane	#include <gconfitem.h>	21:26
ajalkane	Aah... but you need in .pro file:	21:27
ajalkane	PKGCONFIG += gq-gconf	21:27
pa	ah thats it	21:27
pa	thanks :)	21:27
ajalkane	no probs	21:27
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ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: ping	22:01
itsnotabigtruck	hmm, my community award application turned out non-ideal due to the formatting :(	22:01
itsnotabigtruck	http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-June/005482.html	22:01
MohammadAG	Pong	22:01
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: what should i enter in VAT info on nokia dev account?	22:01
MohammadAG	What's that?	22:02
ZogG_laptop	itsnotabigtruck: say what?	22:02
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: something about taxes. do you have developer acc?	22:03
itsnotabigtruck	ZogG_laptop: i just emailed the message in that link but it became all messed up	22:03
ZogG_laptop	oh, i though you was denied due format	22:04
ZogG_laptop	itsnotabigtruck: i think i was accepted to nokia ovi applications or what's the name	22:04
ZogG_laptop	itsnotabigtruck: you are welcome to try imgrup from apps4meego =P	22:12
ZogG_laptop	itsnotabigtruck: btw account doesn't have token as i extrated info	22:21
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rZr	back	22:34
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Venemo_N9	hey	22:35
rZr	hi Venemo_N9 , i see the news is not affecting us , stronger than never ?	22:36
Venemo_N9	rZr, well, it didn't surprise me	22:37
rZr	cancelation of meltemi was unexpected	22:37
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Venemo_N9	well, we already knew that they were stupid. what else's new?	22:38
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rZr	btw there is h team in gitorious	22:40
Venemo_N9	h team = ?	22:40
rZr	https://gitorious.org/+harmattan	22:40
MohammadAG	ZogG_laptop, yes, but I don't recall something like that	22:41
MohammadAG	leave it empty?	22:41
ZogG_laptop	rZr: check the appp	22:41
rZr	how ?	22:41
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: can u check	22:41
ZogG_laptop	it is empty for now	22:41
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Venemo_N9	rZr, ah, I see	22:42
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MohammadAG	never seen a green bee before	22:44
MohammadAG	gotta love Haifa	22:44
MohammadAG	ZogG_laptop, where is it?	22:44
Venemo_N9	:)	22:44
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rZr	khertan, just rebuilt it for shared repo that's all	22:49
rZr	Does there is still true gnu/linux phone os alive ? (no, android isn't gnu/linux)	22:50
rZr	khertan, gta04 ?	22:50
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MohammadAG	no, but a jailbroken iOS device is a good alternative :P	22:52
Venemo_N9	rZr, Mer/Nemo, Tizen, whatever	22:53
rZr	that was khertan question on twitter	22:53
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: it's in setting - developer account	22:54
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ZogG_laptop	M4rtinK: ping	22:55
algol	pong	22:56
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ZogG_laptop	lol	22:56
ZogG_laptop	who is algol (soul caliber?) and why he thinks he is M4rtinK =)	22:56
ZogG_laptop	X-Fade: ping	23:01
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MohammadAG	ZogG_laptop, empty	23:03
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: than ok =)	23:04
ZogG_laptop	mine too	23:04
ZogG_laptop	rZr: ping	23:04
rZr	pong	23:04
ZogG_laptop	Venemo_N9: ping	23:05
ZogG_laptop	rZr: try the last version from apps4meego =)	23:05
Venemo_N9	ZogG, pong	23:06
rZr	0.0.7 ?	23:07
ZogG_laptop	rZr: yeap	23:08
rZr	let me suggest to release 0.Y.Z with Y >= 1	23:08
ZogG_laptop	Venemo_N9: i would like to to check my app as well =)	23:08
ZogG_laptop	rZr: it was 0.0.6.9 =)	23:08
ZogG_laptop	rZr: i'll make it 0.7 than =)	23:09
ZogG_laptop	0.7.X	23:09
rZr	I prefer X.Y.Z	23:09
rZr	that one is ok	23:09
ZogG_laptop	rZr: than 0.7.Z Z is var as X =)	23:10
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MohammadAG	I prefer the standard debian X.Y-Z	23:11
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Venemo_N9	ZogG, what app is that?	23:12
rZr	MohammadAG, X.Y.Z-D	23:12
ZogG_laptop	e-yes: imgrup	23:14
ZogG_laptop	oops	23:14
ZogG_laptop	wrong guy	23:14
ZogG_laptop	Venemo_N9: imgrup	23:14
Venemo_N9	ZogG_laptop, and what's imgrup?	23:15
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ZogG_laptop	Venemo_N9: img uploader to imgur.com	23:17
Venemo_N9	ahm	23:17
Venemo_N9	:)	23:17
e-yes	ZogG, Am I wrong? WHY???7sevenseven	23:19
ZogG_laptop	e-yes: lol	23:20
ZogG_laptop	e-yes: i thought there is only !!!!1111адинадин =)	23:20
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rZr	ZogG, working !!! https://twitter.com/rzrfreefr/status/214453464556769280	23:25
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rZr	ZogG, i reviewed yours	23:32
ZogG_laptop	rZr: thanks, i fixed aegis as well =) now it should work properly	23:34
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ZogG_laptop	rZr: yeah added sharing one of last versions	23:40
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ZogG_laptop	rZr: btw i thought of what you said about other hosts to upload, i think the better way is to work on native sharing utils for harmattan and i need to work on upload plugin for imgrup and if i succeed in it i might try to make an dummy when you can make your own provider files to use with so it would make it easier.	23:59

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