IRC log of #harmattan for Saturday, 2012-06-16

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MohammadAGZogG_laptop, it's out
MohammadAGover 2000 lines of code :/00:15
MohammadAGholy fuck the source code has .o files00:17
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KozziMohammadAG: is it possible to replace togglers images with those from symbian belle ?00:20
MohammadAGKozzi, not without changing some of the code00:20
MohammadAGIf anyone's interested in doing twitter character count with respect to shortened URLs
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: did u use xauth or oauth00:39
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: instaled it, how do you fix alarm language thing?00:40
MohammadAGUsing kqOAuth as a lib00:41
MohammadAGI'm not sure, you can however remove it00:41
MohammadAGSee the unrestricted-system-ui thread00:41
MohammadAGas root mv /usr/share/meegotouch/applicationextensions/statusindicatormenu-alarms.desktop /usr/share/meegotouch/applicationextensions/statusindicatormenu-alarms.bak00:43
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: make it as icon00:45
MohammadAGMake what?00:46
ZogG_laptopalarm thing00:54
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: hm, i moved it and now i have it on side lemme show you00:54
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fralswhy all those perms just for posting a status update? 0:}00:54
pais all the stub that qtcreator generates really necessary? i mean all the qmlapplicationviewer & co00:54
ZogG_laptopfrals: nope i'm adding the toggles00:54
MohammadAGfrals: Facebook? It's tied to sociality in a way00:55
MohammadAGZogG_laptop: killall sysuid as user00:55
MohammadAGBe aware restarting sysuid a lot of successive times will reboot your device00:56
MohammadAGNothing major, just pointing it out00:56
MohammadAGfrals: Don't look at the source code, I'm secretly collecting tokens for my world domination plan00:56
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: and how do i move toggles aboe brightness?00:57
MohammadAGZogG_laptop: You don't00:58
ZogG_laptophmm, you do have brightness at bottom00:58
ZogG_laptopi have toggles at bottom00:58
MohammadAGIts random and arranging items requires more mods to system-ui00:58
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: hope to see in next release =P00:58
MohammadAGMight take me an hour, I'll look into it tomorrow00:58
MohammadAGThere was only one release :P00:59
ZogG_laptopwould be nice to put all not perm once there as transfers and etc00:59
ZogG_laptophmm siri clone for n900 =P01:00
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MohammadAGdafuq did I just read
MohammadAG#Ethiopia passes a law banning VoIP (Skype) calls, and those caught making them will now get 15 years in prison
MohammadAGAnd I thought Israel was bad01:07
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pacould someone tell me what im doing bad? So, i started qtcreator, created a new qml application project, then opened main.qml, removed everything, and pasted the content of scanner.qml, from examples, declarative-connectivity, then added QT += declarative network to the pro file.01:10
pashouldnt it be all?01:10
pawhen i install the deb, and then run the program, nothing shows up, and i see a process that runs apparently without showing any guy01:11
MohammadAGmain.cpp correct?01:12
pawell, its untouched, from the qtcreator stub01:12
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MohammadAGNo idea01:19
ZogG_laptoppa: and what is output i bet it's error in qml01:20
ZogG_laptoppa: if you have wifi set to build on phone over wifi and it would show output and errors straight in qtcreator01:20
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paZogG_laptop, actually it starts01:34
pait prints "Doing minimal"01:34
paand no gui shows up01:34
pa(this if i run on the emulator)01:35
pa(and also if i run from console on the device)01:35
ZogG_laptopvariable 'Accounts::Manager m_manager' has initializer but incomplete type01:37
ZogG_laptopwhat that can tell me =) as i copy pasted the working code and included eerything i needed01:38
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ZogG_laptopok missed onemy bad01:40
paok maybe i got it converted almost ok01:41
palet see01:41
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pai must say qml is somewhat ugly01:46
pame no like it01:47
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paif you want to do something a bit different, you probably have to sweat a lot01:47
MohammadAGpa, +1 for disliking QML01:50
pabut theres no alternative, i guess01:50
pabesides MTF01:50
pawhich im looking at now, but which doesnt look like a smart idea to use now01:51
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MohammadAGpa, why? :P01:56
pahmm coz it looks dead soon01:59
* rzr listening to
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SpeedEvilBangin' chuun.02:03
MohammadAG<pa> hmm coz it looks dead soon02:08
MohammadAGDoesn't all of Harmattan? :P02:08
pawell.. yeah :)02:08
pabut maybe qtquick can be reused somehow02:08
MohammadAGthen use MTF if you feel like it :P02:08
pa(big maybe)02:08
MohammadAGwell, true, at least iOS and BB10 support it02:08
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ZogG_laptopbeford: heeeeey02:34
ZogG_laptopbeford: i need little help here02:34
ZogG_laptopthis only prints account test02:35
ZogG_laptopand as i understand doesn't go to foreach02:35
befordhow are you running it02:35
befordas user?02:35
ZogG_laptopbeford: yes02:36
ZogG_laptopi think as developer02:36
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befordthat wont work02:37
ZogG_laptopas i'm building it from qtcreator02:37
ZogG_laptopbeford: than how should i run it?02:37
ZogG_laptopwithin app it would be as user02:37
befordI mean, running as developer I *think* wont work02:38
befordI had to run it as user with aegis-exec02:38
befordalso, what does your manifest say?02:38
ZogG_laptopright i need to make acc as user02:40
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ZogG_laptopbeford: what do i need to add it make it right?02:45
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befordhold on02:49
ZogG_laptopbeford: i get invoker: error: Can't send signal 11 to application [13925]: No such process02:50
befordZogG_laptop, do you hav a package for me to test?02:50
ZogG_laptopi get segment fault02:51
ZogG_laptopbut i get names02:51
ZogG_laptopbeford: i solved it02:53
ZogG_laptopi dunno why but in forum-qml he used m_account while he needed account02:53
ZogG_laptopAccounts found?  username = "ZogG"02:53
ZogG_laptopfrals: ping02:55
befordso it works now without doing any change?02:55
ZogG_laptopyes, now i need to find out the name of value of token02:55
ZogG_laptopall keys gave me onlyy ("username", "CredentialsId", "enabled", "name")02:56
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ZogG_laptopone step closer =)02:58
ZogG_laptopnow i need to find out how i can get token from it =)02:58
befordI suppose you need the sign on thing that is a few lines after that :P02:59
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befordon forum-qml I mean03:00
ZogG_laptopconnect(this, SIGNAL(providerChanged()),03:00
ZogG_laptopthis, SLOT(querySignOnCredentials()));03:00
ZogG_laptopwrong one03:01
ZogG_laptop m_identity = SignOn::Identity::existingIdentity(credentialsId);03:01
befordyea that things, I'm still trying to figure out some stuff with last.fm03:01
befordI want to know if its possible to allow only one account with the XML thing03:02
befordxml provider03:02
ZogG_laptopi think i'll leave to the day after03:03
ZogG_laptopfrals: it would be nice to see the example of creating and using oauth2plugin account, if you'll have free time =P03:04
beforddo you know how to only allow 1 account per provider ZogG_laptop ?03:07
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ZogG_laptopbeford: there is setting i think03:10
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itsnotabigtruckanyone seen arie around lately?03:22
DigitalPioneer~seen arie03:22
itsnotabigtrucki haven't noticed him on im or irc03:22
infobotarie <> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 13d 22h 1m 42s ago, saying: 'maybe you can help'.03:22
itsnotabigtrucki didn't mean just on irc03:23
itsnotabigtruckbut that sorta confirms he's been gone03:23
DigitalPioneeror using a different nick03:23
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: gone forever?03:26
itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: i said "been gone"03:26
itsnotabigtrucknot "gone permanently"03:26
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: there is his last comment on tmo from an hour ago03:27
ZogG_laptopm gonna sleep03:27
itsnotabigtruckah, i'll pester him through tmo03:27
itsnotabigtrucklater ZogG_laptop03:27
ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: i got access to account plugin btw but not sure how to get token as all i get is username an it's all  istore there03:27
ZogG_laptopok, night03:27
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck, hey13:15
ZogG_laptoprzr, ping13:16
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ZogG_laptoprzr, i heard you are deb maintainer =P13:18
ZogG_laptoprzr, do you have qtceator or only scratchbox?13:18
ZogG_laptoprzr, i'm strugeling with obs13:18
ZogG_laptopi want to do it from qtcreator13:18
ZogG_laptopbut i bumped in few problems13:19
rzrZogG, you want to release some app to a4m isnt it ?13:19
ZogG_laptoprzr, at the end yes, but first of all i want to understand why it's not working =)13:19
rzrdoes it build on sb ?13:20
ZogG_laptoprzr, first of all it wouldn't compile and exits with no makefile error if i don't have qmale -project in rules13:20
ZogG_laptopqmake PREFIX=/usr is not enuf13:21
rzrno need13:21
ZogG_laptoprzr, it fails without it13:21
rzrif you use generic rules it will gess it13:21
ZogG_laptopit doesn't13:21
rzris your project on obs now ?13:21
ZogG_laptoprzr, you did compile it on obs but u made debian folder yourself i want it be generated in qtcreator as it should13:22
rzrah right that one13:25
rzrlook at my debian/control file13:25
ZogG_laptopi copied it13:26
rzrmerge it13:26
ZogG_laptopif i move back to original i get error with SigOn/Error missing13:26
rzrwanna me to update and rebuild it ?13:26
rcgalriiiight... i _think_ i finally managed to get inductive charging the n9 working via using that hp touchstone stuff13:27
ZogG_laptoprzr, maybe you could do it from qtcreator ?13:27
rcghowever, charging is slow as hell.. and i am prepared to fight flames and explosions...13:28
ZogG_laptoprzr, i'll need to push last changes there13:28
rzrlet me try to rebuild from sources13:30
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ZogG_laptoprzr, i'll restart into linux13:33
rzrrm src/imgrup13:34
ZogG_laptopwait lemme reboot13:35
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rzri'll push my changes13:35
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ZogG_laptoprzr: i'm here13:37
rzrso am i13:38
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rzrZogG, do you want me to cleanup the source tree , or let me add that tasks to TODO file ?13:44
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ZogG_laptoprzr: what is needed to be clean?13:45
ZogG_laptoprzr: you want me to push to harmattan or my repo?13:45
rzr# rzr@lap:imgrup-0.20120616/ # [0] # cat  TODO.txt13:45
rzrrm src/imgrup *.changes13:45
rzri have no idea13:45
rzri donno where my git tree point to :)13:46
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ZogG_laptoprzr: i think i have rm changes13:46
ZogG_laptopbut polishing is the last priority13:46
ZogG_laptopi would need to clean deps and includes after all as it's a mess13:46
rzrthat one is building13:47
cvpn9Guys.... i install Inception on my n9 + the overclocking Kernel and LED notification. My N9 have some Display problem and i want send in to nokia. Is it enough if i flash the bins (emmm+firmware) oder i have to do deinstall first all modifications?13:47
ZogG_laptoprzr: what have you changed?13:50
ZogG_laptoprzr: i still get account error13:51
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rzrexttools.h:4: fatal error: maemo-meegotouch-interfaces/shareuiinterface.h: No such file or directory14:09
rzri am fixing that one14:09
ZogG_laptoprzr: i don't have that one14:13
ZogG_laptopi had but i fixed it14:13
ZogG_laptopbut i think i rolled back =)14:13
ZogG_laptoprzr: /usr/include/AccountsUI/common.h:31: fatal error: SignOn/Error: No such file or directory14:13
ZogG_laptopwhere it's included thing14:13
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ZogG_laptoprzr: i can't get the signonerror thing =(14:22
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ZogG_laptoprzr: i don't get how it's missing it's own include14:33
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rzri think i am near now14:36
ZogG_laptoprzr: did you have that error?14:37
ZogG_laptopbtw i delete one of the packages from control you keep ading as it can't find it14:38
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rzrZogG, rebase14:40
rzrhi lbt i just saw you on tv14:40
rzrw/ your mer shirt14:40
lbttexrat caught me napping ... finished early :)14:41
ZogG_laptoprzr: rebase?14:42
rzrgit pull14:43
rzrZogG, ImG UpLoad HarmattaN14:44
rzrlet's test it14:44
ZogG_laptoprzr: you did it again14:45
ZogG_laptopyou changed thru scratchbox and manually — it doesn't help me14:46
ZogG_laptopas i work differently14:46
rzri know14:46
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ZogG_laptopso i end up haveing different errors from you14:46
rzrbut i can help that way to publish it to afm14:47
rzru wanted me to do that , didnt you ?14:47
rzronce we get some positive feedback that's something to be done14:47
ZogG_laptopthe point is that i need help to understand why it doesn't wokr as i do, otherwise i would depend on you to push to obs everytime14:49
rzrtry to diff the files14:50
rzri added a couple of deps14:50
ZogG_laptopi see the difference14:50
ZogG_laptopit doesn't help14:50
ZogG_laptopand i still need it to be built on qtcreator14:50
ZogG_laptopotherwise i wouln't be able to continue development14:50
rzrcan i rm imgrup_0.0.6.8_armel.changes ?14:54
rzrgit pull again please14:56
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ZogG_laptoprzr: i do not pull as i don't need debian folder14:59
ZogG_laptopit doesn't help me maaaan14:59
rzrZogG, hum app install fine but i get a white screen15:00
ZogG_laptopthan it doesn't install right15:00
ZogG_laptopdid you include qml files?15:00
rzrZogG, if you merge it then i might be able to build some snapshots15:00
ZogG_laptopmerge what?15:00
rzrthat debian folder15:00
ZogG_laptoprzr you see generate-obs-source?15:01
rzrno need to hack debian/* if your pro files are ok15:01
rzryes i didnot read it15:01
ZogG_laptoprzr: it regenerate debian folder and delete it15:01
ZogG_laptoprzr: open in qtcreator15:01
ZogG_laptoprun script15:01
ZogG_laptopand in parent dir you'll have tar.gz and dsc15:02
ZogG_laptopthan try again15:02
rzrso what ? do you prefer to keep my maintenance files in my own branch ?15:02
ZogG_laptopit would fail15:02
ZogG_laptoprzr: preferable, but the point to make it work without writting manually deb and without scratchbox15:03
rzrbtw the qml files are there15:03
rzr  /opt/imgrup/qml/imgrup/main.qml15:04
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rzrwell i have to go15:04
rzrask me to rebuild anytime15:04
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ZogG_laptopdh_clean: Sorry, but 7 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper.15:06
ZogG_laptoprzr: before you go ^15:06
ZogG_laptopi set it to 815:06
rzrshould work15:06
ZogG_laptopin control is's Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 8.0.0), pkg-config,15:07
ZogG_laptopin compat is 815:07
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ZogG_laptopand it fails because of compat15:07
rzrwell spotted15:07
rzrMrick0363, tiens le toulousain15:07
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: is inception has few steps of installation till full working?15:36
ZogG_laptophe might miss one15:36
ZogG_laptopask him to try it on other packages like led notifier or something15:36
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, already replied with that15:37
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pais ideasproject still ongoing?16:02
panokia n9 idea projects16:04
pafor rewarding with a device the best ideas16:04
ZogG_laptopn9 i dead if you don't read news =)16:04
Lava_Croftthats not exactly true16:08
Lava_Croftits not very long ago at all that nokia released a video for their new BT headset16:08
Lava_Croftand it features a N916:08
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: they want to sell, it's logical16:09
Lava_CroftOh, im not questioning their reasoning:)16:10
ZogG_laptopit still makes N9 dead16:10
Lava_Croftbut if the N9 was dead, it wouldnt show up in Nokia commercials :)16:10
ZogG_laptopi even think there would be no pr1.3 probably16:10
Lava_Croftthinking about what will and will not happens gets sillier and sillier the further away people are from the actual facts16:11
Lava_Croftso i rather just not think about it at all16:11
pabut why didnt they fire all N9 devs then?16:11
pawhy just some?16:11
Tronicpa: How do you know they didn't fire all of them?16:11
ZogG_laptoppa: they did fire the most16:12
pai dont know..16:12
Lava_Croftwhy would they fire all of them16:12
paanyway, given how cool maemo6 is, if i were them, i would start up and continue it16:12
TronicAny idea if the fired people will keep working for the company until their contracts end?16:12
TronicNokia closing access to internal wiki and source code prior to Elop's speech suggests that they won't be working anymore (otherwise, why only temporarily close access).16:14
ZogG_laptopTronic: i think it depends on if nokia needs them16:14
TronicEither way, it is certainly possible that there won't even be PR1.3.16:14
ZogG_laptopi hope for a leak16:14
paFlop promised it16:14
ZogG_laptopthat's just what i said16:14
palet see16:14
Tronicpa: He promised a lot of things, he doesn't keep those promises.16:15
paah ok, then maybe you are right16:15
TronicFor starters, he promised that the factory at Salo wouldn't be closed. Not much later he closed it anyway.16:15
Lava_Croftyou have to know that Elop comes from Microsoft and thats just as bad as molesting children16:15
pai know :)16:15
Lava_Croftso any kind of sane discussion about this subject is prone to completely failure16:15
Lava_Croftsince people have judgements that are more clouded than my mind at 4am16:15
ZogG_laptopand he wasn't just random worker there16:15
Lava_Croftmight as well discuss why red is better than blue16:16
TronicHe promised that MeeGo would stay around for future platforms development, yet apparently all non-Windows-platforms have been terminated entirely.16:16
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: because the blood is red16:16
Lava_Croftif you really want to direct hatred at someone for killing maemo and meego16:16
Lava_Croftrage at the people who ran Nokia before Elop16:16
Lava_Croftthey are the actual ones to blame16:16
ZogG_laptopcoz they let him in?16:16
pano probably coz they sucked16:16
Lava_Croftthey hired him16:16
Lava_Croftafter ruining nokia16:17
Lava_Croftand now people act all surprised about what Elop does16:17
TronicLava_Croft: You are wrong.16:17
Lava_Croftwhat else could Elop do than this, given his history16:17
Lava_Croftits blame blaming Obama for the huge American budget deficit16:17
Lava_Croftbecause Obama is the president at this moment16:17
pawerent the stakeholders who imposed Flop?16:17
TronicLava_Croft: The people to blame are the current owners of the company. Not prior CEOs or board members.16:17
Lava_Croftthe prior CEO's and board members were the ones who made it fail16:18
Lava_Croftthey are the keepers16:18
Lava_Croftthey were running the companu16:18
Lava_Croftstakeholders dont run companies16:18
payes but they decide whom to hire and whom to fire16:18
Lava_Croftthey can influence it to varying degrees16:18
pathe board16:18
TronicLava_Croft: They did make a lot of mistakes but killing Maemo/MeeGo is certainly not one of them. The blame on that goes entirely on Elop and the ones hiring him (i.e. the owners).16:19
Lava_Croftelop wasnt even working at nokia when nokia killed maemo16:19
TronicLava_Croft: Ummh, "MeeGo" is actually Maemo 6.16:19
payou mean two days ago? :)16:19
Lava_CroftTronic: yes, but only because of time constraints16:20
TronicOkay, they gave it a facelift and broke compatibility with Nx00 tablets, but I think that was actually a very good decision.16:20
Lava_CroftYeah well, I also blame Obama for the horrible american finances16:21
Lava_Croftlets leave it at that16:21
ZogG_laptopi also blame Obama for horrible african finances =)16:22
MohammadAG :)16:30
heymastereconomical crisis :)16:30
heymasterI have Nokia 500 (with Symbian Belle). It's my first Symbian mobile. You see any reason why it's more worst than Android.16:34
heymaster*I don't*16:35
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Lava_Crofti like Belle better than Android16:35
Lava_Crofti had an N8, it was easier to operate than the Galaxy Nexus16:36
heymasterI bought it. Local shop person said don't by Nokia, but buy cheap Samsung.16:36
pawell, i would say dont buy nokia windows phone :)16:38
Lava_Croftwp7 aint worse than android16:38
pai dont want to create shit metro stuff16:39
pain their .net16:39
paand i think that actually metro sucks16:39
paafter having had a lumia800 in my handss16:39
TronicWP7 isn't even a smart phone OS.16:41
TronicI guess it is a decent OS for a phone that can surf the web.16:41
nibblerpa: i concur. gave my lumia800 to a friend.16:42
heymasterApple had bad days too. But they sticked with own os. I think they made best decision. Linux + Qt = You can make best mobile experience :)16:42
nibblertried for 2 months though. massively unimpressed.16:42
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pathey can pump cash as much as they want, but if they hope to beat iOS with metro, they can wait and pump cash16:43
Tronicnibbler: I didn't wish to give mine to a friend so I sold it to a stranger instead.16:44
TronicBut yes, the device turned out to be a horrible smartphone during the one month I tried using it as my primary phone.16:45
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heymasterFrom twitter: ""Microsoft once called Linux a cancer. Fair enough. But I wonder why every single company dies a slow death which comes in contact with Microsoft? Is there some kind of cancer killing those who come in close contact of Microsoft -- Nokia, Novell, AOL, Nortel, Yahoo! and soon Barnes & Nobel?"16:45
Lava_Croftwhen i was a kid, all this kind of hatred was directed against IBM16:47
papoor IBM16:48
Lava_CroftIts still awesome how people attribute the demise of a lot of companies to MS16:48
Lava_CroftMS's power is so incredible16:48
Lava_CroftI bet they could solve world hunger if they could, with the power attributed to them16:49
Lava_Croftbad typing:<16:49
Corsachmmh, xmpp/jabber with multi-protocol stuff doesnt seem to be able to send/receive files16:52
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heymasterActually in my country Apple or Samsung haven't lift finger to promote they products. Nokia making TV advertisements, you can win phones on Facebook page. But products selling poorly. Looks for me like injustice.17:01
Lava_Croftapple and samsung have the power over the phonestores17:02
Lava_Croftenter any store and try to find a nokia inbetween the 500 samsung devices17:02
Lava_Croftask any clerk for a nokia and they will try to sell you a samsung17:03
Lava_Croftand im always busy getting people to not buy samsungs17:04
Lava_Croftbut instead just get apple shit:)17:04
heymasterBut my country even don't have Apple store. But everyone praying for Apple products17:04
Lava_Croftwell, Apple is just special17:04
Lava_Croftand hey, the few things an iphone can do17:05
Lava_Croftit does those really well for most people:)17:05
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Lava_Croft(and i cant resist gaming on it)17:06
Lava_Croftiphone is the new gameboy for me17:06
heymasterYes, I like Apple products. But don't know why people hate Nokia. Looks for me like psychological factor.17:07
heymasterNokia was on top. And now ..17:07
pafor Elop, most likely17:07
pai dont know of any N9 owner hating it17:07
pawell now, maybe.. :)17:07
paand well17:07
pasymbian, before anna, sucked17:08
pamy sister has a nokia C617:08
paits horrible17:08
Lava_Croftpeople hate nokia because nokia in a way is/was much like MS17:08
Lava_Croftbad marketing and it just felt like it wasnt evolving at all17:08
Lava_Croftsuch a huge bloody slow fat jabba the hutt17:08
Lava_Crofttotally un-sexy17:09
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Lava_Croftmost people dont know or care about elop at all17:09
Lava_Croftthey just havent seen a proper Nokia smartphone17:09
Lava_Croftwhile theres iphones and samsungs everywhere17:09
pacoz n9 wasnt marketed :)17:09
ZogG_laptoptoday is the day when not tech people want samrtphones, than logic is not relevant17:10
Lava_Croftthe n9 is not really capable of going against iphone17:10
Lava_Croftanyone who thinks it can, in this market, in this time, is a dreamer17:10
ZogG_laptoppeople will buy win8 and win8 mobile =)17:10
Lava_Crofta good dream nontheless17:10
payou know17:10
pai've seen a girl with an n9 :)17:10
ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: software is important and OS updates, and i mean not updating and minor features added, but global features17:11
ZogG_laptoppa: i never saw n9 except mine17:11
pathe think is , n9 is beautiful, the os is great, just missing some apps, but why couldnt it fight android?17:11
Lava_Croftyou arent being realistic17:11
ZogG_laptophope to meet MohammadAG adn damagedspine to try nfc at least17:11
Lava_Croftlook at the status of android at this moment17:11
Lava_Croftwhy do you think people will care for yet another smartphone platform17:12
Lava_Croftwhich only has one device17:12
shanttugreetings. just installed mt-toggles and would like to get rid of the stock bt shortcut on statusbar. How to remove it?17:12
Lava_Croftthey can already buy like 50 sorts of android samsungs17:12
padont they need just one?17:12
Lava_Crofti love my n9, but i am totally biased17:12
pawhy do i care if there are 50 androind samsung phones?17:12
pathat wont be updated anyway17:12
Lava_Crofti sold a galaxy nexus to get a n917:12
Lava_Croftthe thing is17:12
Lava_Croftits not about why you care17:13
Lava_Croftyou arent going to buy all those phones they would need to sell17:13
Lava_Croftand you are biased, like me17:13
pai was planning to get an android phone17:13
pathen i've seen N917:13
paand tried17:13
pafrom a friend17:13
Lava_Croftits hard to reason with common sense if you let your fanboism get the upper hand17:13
Lava_Crofti speak from experience17:13
paand it was a nobrainer choice17:13
Lava_Crofti just need a gnu userland17:14
Lava_Croftand theres nothing else besides n900 and n917:14
paLava_Croft, moreover, the standard user who doesnt know, doesnt care about android, winphone, nokia os or whatsoever17:14
paas long as the platform would be alive17:14
pait would be a perfect competitor17:14
Lava_Croftif your platform has to grown and get life at the expensve of other platforms17:15
Lava_Croftyou would have to have a really outstanding platform for those people17:15
Lava_Croftand there already was/is ios and android17:15
paand now there are more. i dont seeit as a problem17:15
Lava_Croftand no matter how nice the n9 is, it doesnt really offer anything new or different that would make people switch17:15
pait's not like for windows17:15
Lava_Croftits just too little, too late17:15
pathat you have legacy apps17:15
paand you cant get rid of it17:15
Lava_Croftyou keep reasoning from your own pov17:15
Lava_Croftthats pretty useless17:16
pai can tell you that many people i know changed them all17:16
paand winmo before17:16
pau see17:16
patheres nothing that keeps someone on one platform17:16
pait's not that you have your ms office17:16
Lava_Crofti stop at AOL speak17:16
paand you cant live without17:16
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ZogG_laptopshanttu: i think there is in setting option?17:28
ZogG_laptopjust click on it and uncheck "always show in status menu"17:28
shanttuZogG_laptop, yes. Too simple =) Thanks17:29
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b00this is so stuipid but i lost the link to the pr1.2 free sources iso17:52
b00anyone could show me pls, again ...17:52
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* DocScrutinizer05 just drops a sidenote about own concerns to Lava_Croft: HARM wouldn't count as GNU userland in my book - too many annoying aegisms18:36
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WildyLionI still get a size mismatch error when I try to install fennec on my n9? wtf?18:42
infobotupdate is probably
WildyLion ~aegis-no-thanks18:43
infobotfrom memory, aegis-no-thanks is, or
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DocScrutinizer05is ~update still correct?19:36
DocScrutinizer05otherwise please update ~update :-)19:36
DocScrutinizer05~literal update19:36
infobot"#harmattan update" is ""19:36
DocScrutinizer05nota bene: that's a chan specific factoid, so please use: >> infobot: no, #harmattan update is ""whatever new URL or info now applies""19:38
DocScrutinizer05you don't want to redefine _default update factoid19:39
DocScrutinizer05~literal _default update19:39
infobot"update" is "<reply>dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update"19:39
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ieatlintwell, that's good.. i forgot to charge my phone last night, and now it's acting dead20:28
ieatlintwas of course off by morning, put it on a wall charger, an hour later, nothing20:28
ajalkaneNo worries, them N9's are dirt cheap nowadays. Grab a couple new ones!20:29
ieatlinttrying it with the wall charger it shipped with, hopefully has some effect20:31
ieatlinti'll be sad if i've lost all the data on this20:32
ajalkaneI think the Nokia charger is better than the USB cable + that whatsamathingy it shipped with. If you have Nokia charger, try that instead.20:32
ajalkaneI never use the whatsamathingy myself20:33
ieatlinti was using a wall charger that i got for another phone20:33
ieatlintnow have one of those white round wall chargers with the usb cable20:34
ieatlintmust've failed to turn itself off when the battery got low, but even then, it should be able to recover from a deep discharge20:34
ajalkaneOkay... but I'm actually interested what you're gonna do with the phone now. It's a brick now. A great looking brick. Decorate it and hang it on the wall? Use it as a frisbee with friends while boozing? Use it as a hammer like Lumia 900 even as fully functional is only worth of? What?20:38
ajalkaneHey... I know. Send it to Elop with a letter "You killed my baby"20:38
jonniyou can always make it wake up :)20:38
ieatlinti can always put it in a blender20:39
ajalkanemmm... Harmattan milkshake20:39
ieatlintfunny, when i use my blender it's never for milkshakes20:40
ieatlintalways cooking or booze20:40
ajalkaneHmm... I must revise the letter. It must be "You killed my baby. And now it's dead!"20:40
ajalkaneOnly girls use blender for anything else than booze. I don't even get the cooking part.20:40
ieatlintif it's truly dead, i'm more likely to just pop it open20:41
ieatlinti love it when shit like this happens on business trips :P20:42
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paim sorry, do you know what is the public git repo where i can find the tutorials for meego?22:54
pait says "Tutorial code is found from the public git repository under the examples/src/meego director"22:55
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pai noticed that, if i enable the idle screen23:26
pa(the one that shows only the clock)23:27
pait gets turned off when the proximity light sensor is dark/too close23:27
pais it somehow possible to disable this "feature"?23:27
pa(for example for when one keeps the phone in the armband)23:27
ajalkaneMy guess: not possible23:28
pasecond question, do you think it is possible to push some more info on that screen, similarly to what many do with the lock screen?23:28
ajalkanepa: huk? There's several apps for that23:29
payes, for the lock screen23:29
pabut i want to push info on the standby screen23:29
ajalkaneNo, for stand-by screen23:29
pano possibility to workaround it?23:30
pai mean, it is software, after all23:30
ajalkaneI guess inception/open kernel could offer possibilities. But I do not know details.23:30
paah right23:30
pathanks for the hint anyway :)23:30
ajalkaneanyway here's one (paid) app for pushing more info on stand-by screen
payes i know that one, i think theres one free too, UBsS or something like that23:31
paim not sure its open source tho23:32
ajalkaneYeah, I'm under the impression the other one (ibss or something) is open source - but not sure23:33
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Elleopa: you could look at how meecast does it; iirc they all do it the same way which is to create an operator logo image containing whatever they want to display23:49
Elleosince the lockscreen has the functionality to display a custom image for operator logos23:49
Elleopa: basically they set a gconf key called "/desktop/meego/screen_lock/low_power_mode/operator_logo" to point to an image containing the info they want to show on the standby screen23:52
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Elleoits rather hacky though since nokia don't provide a proper way to do it, so you'd run into potential conflicts with other apps trying to do the same thing23:53
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