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| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, it's out http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1222482#post1222482 | 00:15 |
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| MohammadAG | over 2000 lines of code :/ | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | holy fuck the source code has .o files | 00:17 |
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| Kozzi | MohammadAG: is it possible to replace togglers images with those from symbian belle ? | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | Kozzi, not without changing some of the code | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | If anyone's interested in doing twitter character count with respect to shortened URLs https://github.com/harmattan/quick-status-updater/blob/master/system-ui-social-status-updater/twitterupdatesheet.cpp#L100 | 00:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: did u use xauth or oauth | 00:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: instaled it, how do you fix alarm language thing? | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | OAuth | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | Using kqOAuth as a lib | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure, you can however remove it | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | See the unrestricted-system-ui thread | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | as root mv /usr/share/meegotouch/applicationextensions/statusindicatormenu-alarms.desktop /usr/share/meegotouch/applicationextensions/statusindicatormenu-alarms.bak | 00:43 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ok | 00:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: make it as icon | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | Make what? | 00:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | alarm thing | 00:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: hm, i moved it and now i have it on side lemme show you | 00:54 |
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| frals | why all those perms just for posting a status update? 0:} | 00:54 |
| pa | is all the stub that qtcreator generates really necessary? i mean all the qmlapplicationviewer & co | 00:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: nope i'm adding the toggles | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | frals: Facebook? It's tied to sociality in a way | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop: killall sysuid as user | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | Be aware restarting sysuid a lot of successive times will reboot your device | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | Nothing major, just pointing it out | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | frals: Don't look at the source code, I'm secretly collecting tokens for my world domination plan | 00:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: and how do i move toggles aboe brightness? | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop: You don't | 00:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm, you do have brightness at bottom | 00:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have toggles at bottom | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | Its random and arranging items requires more mods to system-ui | 00:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: hope to see in next release =P | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | Might take me an hour, I'll look into it tomorrow | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | There was only one release :P | 00:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | would be nice to put all not perm once there as transfers and etc | 00:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm siri clone for n900 =P | 01:00 |
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| MohammadAG | dafuq did I just read http://home.tiac.net/~cri/1998/toilet.html | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | #Ethiopia passes a law banning VoIP (Skype) calls, and those caught making them will now get 15 years in prison http://t.co/mYvNrcOT | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | And I thought Israel was bad | 01:07 |
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| pa | could someone tell me what im doing bad? So, i started qtcreator, created a new qml application project, then opened main.qml, removed everything, and pasted the content of scanner.qml, from examples, declarative-connectivity, then added QT += declarative network to the pro file. | 01:10 |
| pa | shouldnt it be all? | 01:10 |
| pa | when i install the deb, and then run the program, nothing shows up, and i see a process that runs apparently without showing any guy | 01:11 |
| pa | gui | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | main.cpp correct? | 01:12 |
| pa | well, its untouched, from the qtcreator stub | 01:12 |
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| MohammadAG | No idea | 01:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: and what is output i bet it's error in qml | 01:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: if you have wifi set to build on phone over wifi and it would show output and errors straight in qtcreator | 01:20 |
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| pa | ZogG_laptop, actually it starts | 01:34 |
| pa | it prints "Doing minimal" | 01:34 |
| pa | and no gui shows up | 01:34 |
| pa | (this if i run on the emulator) | 01:35 |
| pa | (and also if i run from console on the device) | 01:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | variable 'Accounts::Manager m_manager' has initializer but incomplete type | 01:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | what that can tell me =) as i copy pasted the working code and included eerything i needed | 01:38 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ok missed onemy bad | 01:40 |
| pa | ok maybe i got it converted almost ok | 01:41 |
| pa | let see | 01:41 |
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| pa | anyway.. | 01:46 |
| pa | i must say qml is somewhat ugly | 01:46 |
| pa | me no like it | 01:47 |
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| pa | if you want to do something a bit different, you probably have to sweat a lot | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | pa, +1 for disliking QML | 01:50 |
| pa | but theres no alternative, i guess | 01:50 |
| pa | right? | 01:50 |
| pa | besides MTF | 01:50 |
| pa | which im looking at now, but which doesnt look like a smart idea to use now | 01:51 |
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| MohammadAG | pa, why? :P | 01:56 |
| pa | hmm coz it looks dead soon | 01:59 |
| * rzr listening to http://download.tizen.org/misc/media/conference2012/tuesday/seacliff/2012-05-08-1415-1455-owncloud.org-a_free_icloud_and_dropbox_replacement_for_tizen.mp3 | 02:01 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Bangin' chuun. | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | <pa> hmm coz it looks dead soon | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | Doesn't all of Harmattan? :P | 02:08 |
| pa | well.. yeah :) | 02:08 |
| pa | but maybe qtquick can be reused somehow | 02:08 |
| pa | (maybe) | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | then use MTF if you feel like it :P | 02:08 |
| pa | (big maybe) | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | well, true, at least iOS and BB10 support it | 02:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | beford: heeeeey | 02:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: i need little help here | 02:34 |
| beford | hola | 02:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: https://gist.github.com/cbacc73b66f4955928ea | 02:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | this only prints account test | 02:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | and as i understand doesn't go to foreach | 02:35 |
| beford | how are you running it | 02:35 |
| beford | as user? | 02:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: yes | 02:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think as developer | 02:36 |
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| beford | that wont work | 02:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | as i'm building it from qtcreator | 02:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: than how should i run it? | 02:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | within app it would be as user | 02:37 |
| beford | I mean, running as developer I *think* wont work | 02:38 |
| beford | I had to run it as user with aegis-exec | 02:38 |
| beford | also, what does your manifest say? | 02:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | right i need to make acc as user | 02:40 |
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| ZogG_laptop | beford: what do i need to add it make it right? | 02:45 |
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| beford | hold on | 02:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: i get invoker: error: Can't send signal 11 to application [13925]: No such process | 02:50 |
| beford | ZogG_laptop, do you hav a package for me to test? | 02:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: https://gist.github.com/2939253 | 02:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | i get segment fault | 02:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i get names | 02:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: i solved it | 02:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | i dunno why but in forum-qml he used m_account while he needed account | 02:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | Accounts found? username = "ZogG" | 02:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: ping | 02:55 |
| beford | so it works now without doing any change? | 02:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | yes, now i need to find out the name of value of token | 02:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | all keys gave me onlyy ("username", "CredentialsId", "enabled", "name") | 02:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | one step closer =) | 02:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | now i need to find out how i can get token from it =) | 02:58 |
| beford | I suppose you need the sign on thing that is a few lines after that :P | 02:59 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ? | 02:59 |
| beford | on forum-qml I mean | 03:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | connect(this, SIGNAL(providerChanged()), | 03:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | this, SLOT(querySignOnCredentials())); | 03:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | ? | 03:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | oops | 03:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | wrong one | 03:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | m_identity = SignOn::Identity::existingIdentity(credentialsId); | 03:01 |
| beford | yea that things, I'm still trying to figure out some stuff with last.fm | 03:01 |
| beford | I want to know if its possible to allow only one account with the XML thing | 03:02 |
| beford | xml provider | 03:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm | 03:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think i'll leave to the day after | 03:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: it would be nice to see the example of creating and using oauth2plugin account, if you'll have free time =P | 03:04 |
| beford | do you know how to only allow 1 account per provider ZogG_laptop ? | 03:07 |
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| ZogG_laptop | beford: there is setting i think | 03:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | anyone seen arie around lately? | 03:22 |
| DigitalPioneer | ~seen arie | 03:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i haven't noticed him on im or irc | 03:22 |
| infobot | arie <~Arie@cpe-75-80-179-37.san.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 13d 22h 1m 42s ago, saying: 'maybe you can help'. | 03:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i didn't mean just on irc | 03:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that sorta confirms he's been gone | 03:23 |
| DigitalPioneer | or using a different nick | 03:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: gone forever? | 03:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: i said "been gone" | 03:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not "gone permanently" | 03:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: there is his last comment on tmo from an hour ago | 03:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | i | 03:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | m gonna sleep | 03:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah, i'll pester him through tmo | 03:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 03:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | later ZogG_laptop | 03:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i got access to account plugin btw but not sure how to get token as all i get is username an it's all istore there | 03:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok, night | 03:27 |
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| ZogG_laptop | sup | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, hey | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr, ping | 13:16 |
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| rzr | hi | 13:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr, i heard you are deb maintainer =P | 13:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr, do you have qtceator or only scratchbox? | 13:18 |
| rzr | both | 13:18 |
| rzr | why? | 13:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | nice | 13:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr, i'm strugeling with obs | 13:18 |
| rzr | http://fun2code-blog.blogspot.jp/2011/12/piratebox-on-android.html | 13:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | i want to do it from qtcreator | 13:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i bumped in few problems | 13:19 |
| rzr | ZogG, you want to release some app to a4m isnt it ? | 13:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr, at the end yes, but first of all i want to understand why it's not working =) | 13:19 |
| rzr | does it build on sb ? | 13:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr, first of all it wouldn't compile and exits with no makefile error if i don't have qmale -project in rules | 13:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | qmake PREFIX=/usr is not enuf | 13:21 |
| rzr | no need | 13:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr, it fails without it | 13:21 |
| rzr | if you use generic rules it will gess it | 13:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | it doesn't | 13:21 |
| rzr | is your project on obs now ? | 13:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | yes | 13:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr, you did compile it on obs but u made debian folder yourself i want it be generated in qtcreator as it should | 13:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=imgrup&project=home%3AZogG | 13:24 |
| rzr | ah right that one | 13:25 |
| rzr | look at my debian/control file | 13:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | i copied it | 13:26 |
| rzr | merge it | 13:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | nothing | 13:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | if i move back to original i get error with SigOn/Error missing | 13:26 |
| rzr | wanna me to update and rebuild it ? | 13:26 |
| rcg | alriiiight... i _think_ i finally managed to get inductive charging the n9 working via using that hp touchstone stuff | 13:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr, maybe you could do it from qtcreator ? | 13:27 |
| rcg | however, charging is slow as hell.. and i am prepared to fight flames and explosions... | 13:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr, i'll need to push last changes there | 13:28 |
| rzr | let me try to rebuild from sources | 13:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok | 13:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr, i'll restart into linux | 13:33 |
| rzr | rm src/imgrup | 13:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | ? | 13:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | wait lemme reboot | 13:35 |
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| rzr | i'll push my changes | 13:35 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: i'm here | 13:37 |
| rzr | so am i | 13:38 |
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| cvpn9 | Hi@all | 13:44 |
| rzr | ZogG, do you want me to cleanup the source tree , or let me add that tasks to TODO file ? | 13:44 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: what is needed to be clean? | 13:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: you want me to push to harmattan or my repo? | 13:45 |
| rzr | # rzr@lap:imgrup-0.20120616/ # [0] # cat TODO.txt | 13:45 |
| rzr | rm src/imgrup *.changes | 13:45 |
| rzr | i have no idea | 13:45 |
| rzr | i donno where my git tree point to :) | 13:46 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: i think i have rm changes | 13:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | but polishing is the last priority | 13:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | i would need to clean deps and includes after all as it's a mess | 13:46 |
| rzr | that one is building | 13:47 |
| cvpn9 | Guys.... i install Inception on my n9 + the overclocking Kernel and LED notification. My N9 have some Display problem and i want send in to nokia. Is it enough if i flash the bins (emmm+firmware) oder i have to do deinstall first all modifications? | 13:47 |
| rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=imgrup&project=home%3Arzr&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 13:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: what have you changed? | 13:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: i still get account error | 13:51 |
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| rzr | exttools.h:4: fatal error: maemo-meegotouch-interfaces/shareuiinterface.h: No such file or directory | 14:09 |
| rzr | i am fixing that one | 14:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: i don't have that one | 14:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | i had but i fixed it | 14:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i think i rolled back =) | 14:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: /usr/include/AccountsUI/common.h:31: fatal error: SignOn/Error: No such file or directory | 14:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | where it's included thing | 14:13 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: i can't get the signonerror thing =( | 14:22 |
| rzr | https://twitter.com/rzrfreefr/status/213954697839648769 | 14:24 |
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| ZogG_laptop | =\ | 14:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: i don't get how it's missing it's own include | 14:33 |
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| rzr | i think i am near now | 14:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: did you have that error? | 14:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw i delete one of the packages from control you keep ading as it can't find it | 14:38 |
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| rzr | ZogG, rebase | 14:40 |
| rzr | hi lbt i just saw you on tv | 14:40 |
| rzr | w/ your mer shirt | 14:40 |
| lbt | hehe | 14:41 |
| lbt | texrat caught me napping ... finished early :) | 14:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 14:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: rebase? | 14:42 |
| rzr | git pull | 14:43 |
| rzr | ZogG, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1222704#post1222704# ImG UpLoad HarmattaN | 14:44 |
| rzr | let's test it | 14:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: you did it again | 14:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | you changed thru scratchbox and manually — it doesn't help me | 14:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | as i work differently | 14:46 |
| rzr | i know | 14:46 |
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| ZogG_laptop | so i end up haveing different errors from you | 14:46 |
| rzr | but i can help that way to publish it to afm | 14:47 |
| rzr | u wanted me to do that , didnt you ? | 14:47 |
| rzr | once we get some positive feedback that's something to be done | 14:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | the point is that i need help to understand why it doesn't wokr as i do, otherwise i would depend on you to push to obs everytime | 14:49 |
| rzr | try to diff the files | 14:50 |
| rzr | i added a couple of deps | 14:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | i see the difference | 14:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | it doesn't help | 14:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | and i still need it to be built on qtcreator | 14:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | otherwise i wouln't be able to continue development | 14:50 |
| rzr | can i rm imgrup_0.0.6.8_armel.changes ? | 14:54 |
| rzr | git pull again please | 14:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: i do not pull as i don't need debian folder | 14:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | it doesn't help me maaaan | 14:59 |
| rzr | ZogG, hum app install fine but i get a white screen | 15:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | than it doesn't install right | 15:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | did you include qml files? | 15:00 |
| rzr | ZogG, if you merge it then i might be able to build some snapshots | 15:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | merge what? | 15:00 |
| rzr | that debian folder | 15:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr you see generate-obs-source? | 15:01 |
| rzr | no need to hack debian/* if your pro files are ok | 15:01 |
| rzr | yes i didnot read it | 15:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: it regenerate debian folder and delete it | 15:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: open in qtcreator | 15:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | save | 15:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | run script | 15:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | and in parent dir you'll have tar.gz and dsc | 15:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | than try again | 15:02 |
| rzr | so what ? do you prefer to keep my maintenance files in my own branch ? | 15:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | it would fail | 15:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: preferable, but the point to make it work without writting manually deb and without scratchbox | 15:03 |
| rzr | btw the qml files are there | 15:03 |
| rzr | /opt/imgrup/qml/imgrup/main.qml | 15:04 |
| rzr | etc | 15:04 |
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| rzr | well i have to go | 15:04 |
| rzr | ask me to rebuild anytime | 15:04 |
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| ZogG_laptop | dh_clean: Sorry, but 7 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper. | 15:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | rzr: before you go ^ | 15:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | i set it to 8 | 15:06 |
| rzr | should work | 15:06 |
| rzr | yes | 15:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | in control is's Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 8.0.0), pkg-config, | 15:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | in compat is 8 | 15:07 |
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| ZogG_laptop | and it fails because of compat | 15:07 |
| rzr | well spotted | 15:07 |
| rzr | Mrick0363, tiens le toulousain | 15:07 |
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| MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1222727&postcount=77 | 15:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: is inception has few steps of installation till full working? | 15:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | he might miss one | 15:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | ask him to try it on other packages like led notifier or something | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, already replied with that | 15:37 |
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| pa | is ideasproject still ongoing? | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | who? | 16:03 |
| pa | nokia n9 idea projects | 16:04 |
| pa | for rewarding with a device the best ideas | 16:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9 i dead if you don't read news =) | 16:04 |
| Lava_Croft | thats not exactly true | 16:08 |
| Lava_Croft | its not very long ago at all that nokia released a video for their new BT headset | 16:08 |
| Lava_Croft | and it features a N9 | 16:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: they want to sell, it's logical | 16:09 |
| Lava_Croft | Oh, im not questioning their reasoning:) | 16:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | it still makes N9 dead | 16:10 |
| Lava_Croft | but if the N9 was dead, it wouldnt show up in Nokia commercials :) | 16:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | i even think there would be no pr1.3 probably | 16:10 |
| Lava_Croft | thinking about what will and will not happens gets sillier and sillier the further away people are from the actual facts | 16:11 |
| Lava_Croft | so i rather just not think about it at all | 16:11 |
| pa | but why didnt they fire all N9 devs then? | 16:11 |
| pa | why just some? | 16:11 |
| Tronic | pa: How do you know they didn't fire all of them? | 16:11 |
| pa | well.. | 16:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: they did fire the most | 16:12 |
| pa | i dont know.. | 16:12 |
| Lava_Croft | why would they fire all of them | 16:12 |
| pa | anyway, given how cool maemo6 is, if i were them, i would start up and continue it | 16:12 |
| Tronic | Any idea if the fired people will keep working for the company until their contracts end? | 16:12 |
| Tronic | Nokia closing access to internal wiki and source code prior to Elop's speech suggests that they won't be working anymore (otherwise, why only temporarily close access). | 16:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | Tronic: i think it depends on if nokia needs them | 16:14 |
| Tronic | Either way, it is certainly possible that there won't even be PR1.3. | 16:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | i hope for a leak | 16:14 |
| pa | well | 16:14 |
| pa | Flop promised it | 16:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's just what i said | 16:14 |
| pa | let see | 16:14 |
| Tronic | pa: He promised a lot of things, he doesn't keep those promises. | 16:15 |
| pa | ah ok, then maybe you are right | 16:15 |
| Tronic | For starters, he promised that the factory at Salo wouldn't be closed. Not much later he closed it anyway. | 16:15 |
| Lava_Croft | you have to know that Elop comes from Microsoft and thats just as bad as molesting children | 16:15 |
| pa | i know :) | 16:15 |
| Lava_Croft | so any kind of sane discussion about this subject is prone to completely failure | 16:15 |
| Lava_Croft | since people have judgements that are more clouded than my mind at 4am | 16:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | and he wasn't just random worker there | 16:15 |
| Lava_Croft | might as well discuss why red is better than blue | 16:16 |
| Tronic | He promised that MeeGo would stay around for future platforms development, yet apparently all non-Windows-platforms have been terminated entirely. | 16:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: because the blood is red | 16:16 |
| Lava_Croft | if you really want to direct hatred at someone for killing maemo and meego | 16:16 |
| Lava_Croft | rage at the people who ran Nokia before Elop | 16:16 |
| Lava_Croft | they are the actual ones to blame | 16:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | coz they let him in? | 16:16 |
| pa | no probably coz they sucked | 16:16 |
| Lava_Croft | they hired him | 16:16 |
| Lava_Croft | after ruining nokia | 16:17 |
| Lava_Croft | and now people act all surprised about what Elop does | 16:17 |
| Tronic | Lava_Croft: You are wrong. | 16:17 |
| Lava_Croft | what else could Elop do than this, given his history | 16:17 |
| Lava_Croft | its blame blaming Obama for the huge American budget deficit | 16:17 |
| Lava_Croft | because Obama is the president at this moment | 16:17 |
| pa | werent the stakeholders who imposed Flop? | 16:17 |
| Tronic | Lava_Croft: The people to blame are the current owners of the company. Not prior CEOs or board members. | 16:17 |
| Lava_Croft | the prior CEO's and board members were the ones who made it fail | 16:18 |
| Lava_Croft | they are the keepers | 16:18 |
| Lava_Croft | they were running the companu | 16:18 |
| Lava_Croft | stakeholders dont run companies | 16:18 |
| pa | yes but they decide whom to hire and whom to fire | 16:18 |
| Lava_Croft | they can influence it to varying degrees | 16:18 |
| pa | the board | 16:18 |
| Tronic | Lava_Croft: They did make a lot of mistakes but killing Maemo/MeeGo is certainly not one of them. The blame on that goes entirely on Elop and the ones hiring him (i.e. the owners). | 16:19 |
| Lava_Croft | lol? | 16:19 |
| Lava_Croft | elop wasnt even working at nokia when nokia killed maemo | 16:19 |
| Tronic | Lava_Croft: Ummh, "MeeGo" is actually Maemo 6. | 16:19 |
| pa | you mean two days ago? :) | 16:19 |
| Lava_Croft | Tronic: yes, but only because of time constraints | 16:20 |
| Tronic | Okay, they gave it a facelift and broke compatibility with Nx00 tablets, but I think that was actually a very good decision. | 16:20 |
| Lava_Croft | Yeah well, I also blame Obama for the horrible american finances | 16:21 |
| Lava_Croft | lets leave it at that | 16:21 |
| Tronic | Huh. | 16:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | i also blame Obama for horrible african finances =) | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Unrestricted-system-ui :) | 16:30 |
| heymaster | economical crisis :) | 16:30 |
| heymaster | I have Nokia 500 (with Symbian Belle). It's my first Symbian mobile. You see any reason why it's more worst than Android. | 16:34 |
| heymaster | *I don't* | 16:35 |
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| Lava_Croft | i like Belle better than Android | 16:35 |
| heymaster | yes | 16:35 |
| Lava_Croft | i had an N8, it was easier to operate than the Galaxy Nexus | 16:36 |
| heymaster | I bought it. Local shop person said don't by Nokia, but buy cheap Samsung. | 16:36 |
| pa | well, i would say dont buy nokia windows phone :) | 16:38 |
| Lava_Croft | wp7 aint worse than android | 16:38 |
| pa | i dont want to create shit metro stuff | 16:39 |
| pa | in their .net | 16:39 |
| pa | and i think that actually metro sucks | 16:39 |
| pa | after having had a lumia800 in my handss | 16:39 |
| Tronic | WP7 isn't even a smart phone OS. | 16:41 |
| Tronic | I guess it is a decent OS for a phone that can surf the web. | 16:41 |
| nibbler | pa: i concur. gave my lumia800 to a friend. | 16:42 |
| heymaster | Apple had bad days too. But they sticked with own os. I think they made best decision. Linux + Qt = You can make best mobile experience :) | 16:42 |
| nibbler | tried for 2 months though. massively unimpressed. | 16:42 |
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| pa | they can pump cash as much as they want, but if they hope to beat iOS with metro, they can wait and pump cash | 16:43 |
| Tronic | nibbler: I didn't wish to give mine to a friend so I sold it to a stranger instead. | 16:44 |
| Tronic | But yes, the device turned out to be a horrible smartphone during the one month I tried using it as my primary phone. | 16:45 |
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| heymaster | From twitter: ""Microsoft once called Linux a cancer. Fair enough. But I wonder why every single company dies a slow death which comes in contact with Microsoft? Is there some kind of cancer killing those who come in close contact of Microsoft -- Nokia, Novell, AOL, Nortel, Yahoo! and soon Barnes & Nobel?" | 16:45 |
| Lava_Croft | when i was a kid, all this kind of hatred was directed against IBM | 16:47 |
| pa | poor IBM | 16:48 |
| Lava_Croft | Its still awesome how people attribute the demise of a lot of companies to MS | 16:48 |
| Lava_Croft | MS's power is so incredible | 16:48 |
| Lava_Croft | I bet they could solve world hunger if they could, with the power attributed to them | 16:49 |
| Lava_Croft | bad typing:< | 16:49 |
| Corsac | hmmh, xmpp/jabber with multi-protocol stuff doesnt seem to be able to send/receive files | 16:52 |
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| heymaster | Actually in my country Apple or Samsung haven't lift finger to promote they products. Nokia making TV advertisements, you can win phones on Facebook page. But products selling poorly. Looks for me like injustice. | 17:01 |
| Lava_Croft | apple and samsung have the power over the phonestores | 17:02 |
| Lava_Croft | enter any store and try to find a nokia inbetween the 500 samsung devices | 17:02 |
| Lava_Croft | ask any clerk for a nokia and they will try to sell you a samsung | 17:03 |
| heymaster | yes | 17:03 |
| Lava_Croft | and im always busy getting people to not buy samsungs | 17:04 |
| Lava_Croft | but instead just get apple shit:) | 17:04 |
| heymaster | But my country even don't have Apple store. But everyone praying for Apple products | 17:04 |
| Lava_Croft | well, Apple is just special | 17:04 |
| Lava_Croft | and hey, the few things an iphone can do | 17:05 |
| Lava_Croft | it does those really well for most people:) | 17:05 |
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| Lava_Croft | (and i cant resist gaming on it) | 17:06 |
| Lava_Croft | iphone is the new gameboy for me | 17:06 |
| heymaster | Yes, I like Apple products. But don't know why people hate Nokia. Looks for me like psychological factor. | 17:07 |
| heymaster | Nokia was on top. And now .. | 17:07 |
| pa | for Elop, most likely | 17:07 |
| pa | i dont know of any N9 owner hating it | 17:07 |
| pa | well now, maybe.. :) | 17:07 |
| pa | and well | 17:07 |
| pa | symbian, before anna, sucked | 17:08 |
| pa | my sister has a nokia C6 | 17:08 |
| pa | its horrible | 17:08 |
| pa | unusable | 17:08 |
| Lava_Croft | people hate nokia because nokia in a way is/was much like MS | 17:08 |
| Lava_Croft | bad marketing and it just felt like it wasnt evolving at all | 17:08 |
| Lava_Croft | such a huge bloody slow fat jabba the hutt | 17:08 |
| Lava_Croft | totally un-sexy | 17:09 |
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| Lava_Croft | most people dont know or care about elop at all | 17:09 |
| Lava_Croft | they just havent seen a proper Nokia smartphone | 17:09 |
| Lava_Croft | ever | 17:09 |
| Lava_Croft | while theres iphones and samsungs everywhere | 17:09 |
| pa | coz n9 wasnt marketed :) | 17:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | today is the day when not tech people want samrtphones, than logic is not relevant | 17:10 |
| Lava_Croft | the n9 is not really capable of going against iphone | 17:10 |
| Lava_Croft | anyone who thinks it can, in this market, in this time, is a dreamer | 17:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | people will buy win8 and win8 mobile =) | 17:10 |
| Lava_Croft | a good dream nontheless | 17:10 |
| pa | you know | 17:10 |
| pa | i've seen a girl with an n9 :) | 17:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: software is important and OS updates, and i mean not updating and minor features added, but global features | 17:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | pa: i never saw n9 except mine | 17:11 |
| pa | the think is , n9 is beautiful, the os is great, just missing some apps, but why couldnt it fight android? | 17:11 |
| pa | thing | 17:11 |
| Lava_Croft | you arent being realistic | 17:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | hope to meet MohammadAG adn damagedspine to try nfc at least | 17:11 |
| Lava_Croft | look at the status of android at this moment | 17:11 |
| Lava_Croft | why do you think people will care for yet another smartphone platform | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | which only has one device | 17:12 |
| shanttu | greetings. just installed mt-toggles and would like to get rid of the stock bt shortcut on statusbar. How to remove it? | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | they can already buy like 50 sorts of android samsungs | 17:12 |
| pa | dont they need just one? | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | i love my n9, but i am totally biased | 17:12 |
| pa | why do i care if there are 50 androind samsung phones? | 17:12 |
| pa | that wont be updated anyway | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | i sold a galaxy nexus to get a n9 | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | the thing is | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | its not about why you care | 17:13 |
| Lava_Croft | you arent going to buy all those phones they would need to sell | 17:13 |
| Lava_Croft | and you are biased, like me | 17:13 |
| pa | well | 17:13 |
| pa | i was planning to get an android phone | 17:13 |
| pa | then i've seen N9 | 17:13 |
| pa | and tried | 17:13 |
| pa | from a friend | 17:13 |
| Lava_Croft | its hard to reason with common sense if you let your fanboism get the upper hand | 17:13 |
| Lava_Croft | i speak from experience | 17:13 |
| pa | and it was a nobrainer choice | 17:13 |
| Lava_Croft | i just need a gnu userland | 17:14 |
| Lava_Croft | and theres nothing else besides n900 and n9 | 17:14 |
| pa | Lava_Croft, moreover, the standard user who doesnt know, doesnt care about android, winphone, nokia os or whatsoever | 17:14 |
| pa | as long as the platform would be alive | 17:14 |
| pa | it would be a perfect competitor | 17:14 |
| Lava_Croft | if your platform has to grown and get life at the expensve of other platforms | 17:15 |
| Lava_Croft | you would have to have a really outstanding platform for those people | 17:15 |
| Lava_Croft | and there already was/is ios and android | 17:15 |
| pa | and now there are more. i dont seeit as a problem | 17:15 |
| Lava_Croft | and no matter how nice the n9 is, it doesnt really offer anything new or different that would make people switch | 17:15 |
| pa | it's not like for windows | 17:15 |
| Lava_Croft | its just too little, too late | 17:15 |
| pa | that you have legacy apps | 17:15 |
| pa | and you cant get rid of it | 17:15 |
| Lava_Croft | you keep reasoning from your own pov | 17:15 |
| Lava_Croft | thats pretty useless | 17:16 |
| pa | well | 17:16 |
| pa | i can tell you that many people i know changed them all | 17:16 |
| pa | iOS | 17:16 |
| pa | android | 17:16 |
| pa | winpho | 17:16 |
| pa | and winmo before | 17:16 |
| pa | u see | 17:16 |
| pa | theres nothing that keeps someone on one platform | 17:16 |
| pa | it's not that you have your ms office | 17:16 |
| Lava_Croft | i stop at AOL speak | 17:16 |
| Lava_Croft | bye | 17:16 |
| pa | and you cant live without | 17:16 |
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| pa | hi ChanServ | 17:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | shanttu: i think there is in setting option? | 17:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | just click on it and uncheck "always show in status menu" | 17:28 |
| shanttu | ZogG_laptop, yes. Too simple =) Thanks | 17:29 |
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| b00 | this is so stuipid but i lost the link to the pr1.2 free sources iso | 17:52 |
| b00 | anyone could show me pls, again ... | 17:52 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 just drops a sidenote about own concerns to Lava_Croft: HARM wouldn't count as GNU userland in my book - too many annoying aegisms | 18:36 | |
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| WildyLion | hi | 18:42 |
| WildyLion | I still get a size mismatch error when I try to install fennec on my n9? wtf? | 18:42 |
| WildyLion | ~update | 18:42 |
| infobot | update is probably http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 | 18:42 |
| WildyLion | ~aegis-no-thanks | 18:43 |
| infobot | from memory, aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2/openmode-kernel/ | 18:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | is ~update still correct? | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise please update ~update :-) | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal update | 19:36 |
| infobot | "#harmattan update" is "http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950" | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nota bene: that's a chan specific factoid, so please use: >> infobot: no, #harmattan update is ""whatever new URL or info now applies"" | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want to redefine _default update factoid | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal _default update | 19:39 |
| infobot | "update" is "<reply>dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update" | 19:39 |
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| ieatlint | well, that's good.. i forgot to charge my phone last night, and now it's acting dead | 20:28 |
| ieatlint | was of course off by morning, put it on a wall charger, an hour later, nothing | 20:28 |
| ajalkane | No worries, them N9's are dirt cheap nowadays. Grab a couple new ones! | 20:29 |
| ieatlint | hah | 20:31 |
| ieatlint | trying it with the wall charger it shipped with, hopefully has some effect | 20:31 |
| ieatlint | i'll be sad if i've lost all the data on this | 20:32 |
| ajalkane | I think the Nokia charger is better than the USB cable + that whatsamathingy it shipped with. If you have Nokia charger, try that instead. | 20:32 |
| ajalkane | I never use the whatsamathingy myself | 20:33 |
| ieatlint | i was using a wall charger that i got for another phone | 20:33 |
| ieatlint | now have one of those white round wall chargers with the usb cable | 20:34 |
| ieatlint | must've failed to turn itself off when the battery got low, but even then, it should be able to recover from a deep discharge | 20:34 |
| ajalkane | Okay... but I'm actually interested what you're gonna do with the phone now. It's a brick now. A great looking brick. Decorate it and hang it on the wall? Use it as a frisbee with friends while boozing? Use it as a hammer like Lumia 900 even as fully functional is only worth of? What? | 20:38 |
| ajalkane | Hey... I know. Send it to Elop with a letter "You killed my baby" | 20:38 |
| jonni | you can always make it wake up :) | 20:38 |
| ieatlint | i can always put it in a blender | 20:39 |
| ajalkane | mmm... Harmattan milkshake | 20:39 |
| ieatlint | funny, when i use my blender it's never for milkshakes | 20:40 |
| ieatlint | always cooking or booze | 20:40 |
| ajalkane | Hmm... I must revise the letter. It must be "You killed my baby. And now it's dead!" | 20:40 |
| ajalkane | Only girls use blender for anything else than booze. I don't even get the cooking part. | 20:40 |
| ieatlint | if it's truly dead, i'm more likely to just pop it open | 20:41 |
| ieatlint | i love it when shit like this happens on business trips :P | 20:42 |
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| pa | im sorry, do you know what is the public git repo where i can find the tutorials for meego? | 22:54 |
| pa | it says "Tutorial code is found from the public git repository under the examples/src/meego director" | 22:55 |
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| pa | question | 23:26 |
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| pa | i noticed that, if i enable the idle screen | 23:26 |
| pa | (the one that shows only the clock) | 23:27 |
| pa | it gets turned off when the proximity light sensor is dark/too close | 23:27 |
| pa | is it somehow possible to disable this "feature"? | 23:27 |
| pa | (for example for when one keeps the phone in the armband) | 23:27 |
| ajalkane | My guess: not possible | 23:28 |
| pa | second question, do you think it is possible to push some more info on that screen, similarly to what many do with the lock screen? | 23:28 |
| ajalkane | pa: huk? There's several apps for that | 23:29 |
| pa | yes, for the lock screen | 23:29 |
| pa | but i want to push info on the standby screen | 23:29 |
| ajalkane | No, for stand-by screen | 23:29 |
| pa | okay.. | 23:29 |
| pa | pity | 23:29 |
| pa | no possibility to workaround it? | 23:30 |
| pa | i mean, it is software, after all | 23:30 |
| ajalkane | I guess inception/open kernel could offer possibilities. But I do not know details. | 23:30 |
| pa | ah right | 23:30 |
| pa | thanks for the hint anyway :) | 23:30 |
| ajalkane | anyway here's one (paid) app for pushing more info on stand-by screen http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84507 | 23:31 |
| pa | yes i know that one, i think theres one free too, UBsS or something like that | 23:31 |
| pa | im not sure its open source tho | 23:32 |
| ajalkane | Yeah, I'm under the impression the other one (ibss or something) is open source - but not sure | 23:33 |
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| Elleo | pa: you could look at how meecast does it; iirc they all do it the same way which is to create an operator logo image containing whatever they want to display | 23:49 |
| Elleo | since the lockscreen has the functionality to display a custom image for operator logos | 23:49 |
| Elleo | pa: https://github.com/Meecast/meecast/blob/master/meecast/meegotouchplugin/meegotouchplugin.cpp | 23:51 |
| Elleo | pa: basically they set a gconf key called "/desktop/meego/screen_lock/low_power_mode/operator_logo" to point to an image containing the info they want to show on the standby screen | 23:52 |
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| Elleo | its rather hacky though since nokia don't provide a proper way to do it, so you'd run into potential conflicts with other apps trying to do the same thing | 23:53 |
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