IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2012-06-15

ieatlintbut you're probably going to cause yourself more of a headache trying to use the mtf widgets than just accepting the javascript based bizarreness of qml00:00
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payeah i guess00:00
paso i probably have to dive into qtquick00:01
paany great starting point?00:01
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ieatlinti don't have any good suggestions... someone else in here hopefully will00:02
ieatlinthave fun though, it's a headache :P00:02
pahmm :)00:02
pai but btw is it true nokia fired a lot of qt developers?00:05
ieatlintthere's no public statement to that effect, and i dunno much beyond that00:06
ieatlinthah, ouch then :/00:07
beford!/savola!/tuomotanskanen and a couple more I've seen on twitter00:08
parip nokia00:09
paand poor guys :(00:11
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befordyea sucks00:15
pai wonder whether elop lives in finland..00:15
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ieatlinti'm getting vivid memories of the burning platform metaphors00:18
ieatlintfunny how that only seems more true today00:19
npm does not yet return interesting results00:19
pafunny they kill maemo and they keep symbian, tho00:20
ieatlintsymbian has a huge user base and app base00:21
ieatlintbut they are killing it00:21
npmi call a hashtag00:23
pai mean, considering that the users are becoming dumber and dumber, this strategy might actually work, as long as they keep good phone designers00:23
paat least work for a while00:23
npmso is that where the 1.3 update went??00:23
npmor will there be one still?00:24
ieatlinti wouldn't be either way00:24
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palets hope they release the source code of everything, at least00:25
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ieatlinthighly unlikely00:26
pai wonder how easy would it be to port it to some other chip, like omap4/5 or snapdragon00:26
pawell.. if i were one of the fired guys, i would make sure this would happen, in a way or another00:27
juhajSo, how many casualties are there to be found here today? =(00:28
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juhajI just got one of my best friends as a casualty today. The rest of them went in the first wave already.00:31
pabut are they keeping the rest, or will elop fire them all soon or late?00:32
befordI've read about 10mil wil be fired before 201300:33
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befordi suppose killing meltemi is related to nokia+ms working on getting lower hw requirements for WP00:40
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pawasnt Flop claiming that he was going to bring Qt to the "next billion"?00:40
beford"Engineers were locked out of their source code management systems and wikis before the announcements were made this morning." Really?00:41
palike if they dont have the sources locally.. lol00:41
rzrthe good news is is back :)00:42
befordthat means pr1.3 will be out sooner00:45
ieatlintno one should be acting that surprised00:53
* SpeedEvil wishes he'd invested in some not-stock00:54
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SpeedEvilNokia was last at its current stock price in 1996.00:56
ieatlintbut what was the volume in 1996?00:57
SpeedEvilAbout a tenth of now00:57
ieatlintso the company is still worth 10x..00:58
SpeedEvilOh - sure - I know that.00:59
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marsje_so, when will Meego be open-sourced?01:06
marsje_and out of control of any manager-type person01:06
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SpeedEvilAll - in all - :/01:09
SpeedEvilI'd hoped that at least something would come out of meltmi.01:09
SpeedEvilEven if it was only hw with drivers.01:10
marsje_how many mobile linux-based OS projects have been started and killed?01:11
* SpeedEvil looks on ebay, to see a container of 40000 n950s, with a starting price of 1 euro.01:11
SpeedEvil(not really)01:12
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marsje_it's time some hardware company starts building open, OS-less phones, just like PCs01:12
SpeedEvilThe second last phone that I bought booted to linux kernel panic, as it diddn't come with a rootfs.01:13
SpeedEvilhardware is annoyingly expensive.01:14
SpeedEvil canned rant01:14
rzrmarsje_, geeksphone aims to do that isnt it ?01:17
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DocScrutinizer05and yes, hw *is* annoyingly expensive to manufacture01:28
DocScrutinizer05gta04 could be half the pricetag at 50 times the volukme produced01:28
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SpeedEvilAnd yes.01:29
SpeedEvilThat too.01:29
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juhajrzr: geeksphone?01:32
DocScrutinizer05all kudos to Mr Schaller of Goldelico, who managed to produce GTA04 from his holiday purse01:33
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DocScrutinizer05for the record:
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marsje_SpeedEvil: interesting link... but not sure why a phone needs to be so different as a pc01:45
marsje_rzr: hadn't heard of geeksphone yet, but sounds interesting01:46
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marsje_DocScrutinizer05: gta04 looks fun too01:47
DocScrutinizer05GTA04 definitely is the better N901:48
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DocScrutinizer05marsje_: and it's definitely the open, Os-less device you asked for01:49
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rzrand support qt (moko)02:00
DocScrutinizer05N950 on Ebay - startung offer: 10kEUR02:06
ieatlinthas anyone actually seen an n950 appear on ebay?02:10
DocScrutinizer05I'm pondering02:11
rzrapple think different :
SpeedEvilmarsje_: A PC motherboard likely costs even more than a phone to develop - especially if it's your first.02:17
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itsnotabigtruckwjat's up03:18
itsnotabigtruckerm, what's up03:18
befordnot much03:23
befordharmattan is dead03:23
befordharmattan+1 is dead too03:23
beford can't believe is not selop03:24
ieatlinttis a sad day03:28
itsnotabigtruckyeah, that's no good at all03:28
itsnotabigtruckoh well03:28
itsnotabigtruckit definitely cements the end of nokia as a real technology company03:28
itsnotabigtrucknow they're another lucky goldstar or something03:28
itsnotabigtruckwith better industrial designers03:28
ieatlintand when nokia falls, it'll take wp7 with it03:28
ieatlintand MS will be in an interesting position03:28
itsnotabigtruckthey better get pr1.3 released03:29
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itsnotabigtruckthe damn thing exists and has existed for eons, i don't understand why they don't go ahead and get it out of the way already03:29
ieatlintpolitics... inside the company, with carriers.. that'd be my guess03:29
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: well, they could release it and deal with the carriers later03:33
itsnotabigtruckafaict the releases have to be approved by the carriers separately later anyway03:33
itsnotabigtruckthat's why it's so important that everyone not miss the opportunity to debrand their phones03:34
itsnotabigtruckunfortunately a lot of n00bs seem to be reticent about doing so, then bother everyone with the massive problems resulting from not doing so03:34
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koe"harmattan is dead" did i missed smthn? harmattan had no future at all, nokia made that clear long time ago.03:35
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itsnotabigtruckkoe: yeah but meltemi was going to have some harmattan in it, supposedly03:59
itsnotabigtrucknow it's kaputt too03:59
itsnotabigtruckwhich means it's now the complete end to all nokia qt/linux stuff04:00
itsnotabigtruckwell, except qt itself, but that's just a matter of time now04:00
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koeoh, right04:18
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Corsacmeltemi :(09:01
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djszapiHey! Is there a way for getting a number of childrens for the parent of an item ? The size of the item would be dependent on that factor for instance.10:39
djszapiconsole.log("CHILDREN COUNT:", parent.children.count); does not work. I am getting "undefined" instead of a precise number.10:39
djszapisame with parent.children.size10:40
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djszapijreznik: o/10:53
djszapitomma: heh, that worked, thanks. ;)10:53
jreznikdjszapi: hey!10:54
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rigogood morning, has anybody solved already the failed to download firefox update bug?12:06
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DocScrutinizer05jonni: you're still well? Re your job12:35
DocScrutinizer05jonni: also, is that actually true Nokia locked down accounts of basically all their technical stuff?12:37
DocScrutinizer05(well, technically it's probably sufficient to take down some git servers, or sth)12:38
petteri git is distributed, all clones contain whole history12:39
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ZogG_laptophmm community award counts i made app for n900 a long time ago? wierd =12:49
ZogG_laptopi was removed from the community award, i was banned on TMO, no meltmi, no pr1.3, no nokia12:50
ZogG_laptopnice week i see12:50
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ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: sup12:51
djszapiZogG_laptop: we love you.12:52
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i know12:54
ElleoZogG_laptop: what were you banned for?12:56
ZogG_laptopElleo: not sure if they deleted posts, but i assume or telling in your thread to people to stop writting bullshit or in wazapp thread telling to people to stop trashing it with "where updates"12:58
ZogG_laptoplogic is noot here, though reported to estel to do something with those posts in general on TMO12:59
ZogG_laptopi think i'll just stop writting there after i'll be unbanned12:59
chem|stZogG_laptop: you were banned from tmo? by who?12:59
chem|stand what for?12:59
ZogG_laptopchem|st: ^13:00
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chem|stI see no link...13:00
ZogG_laptopi'm pretty sure it was post bout "stop asking for updates for social app it's end of school — go outside and communicate" and other replies to ibrakalife13:01
Elleopersonally I was quite happy for your posts telling people off for continually posting "It doesn't recognise the latest Justin Bieber song :(" in the eyrie thread ;)13:01
ZogG_laptopchem|st: it was deleted by op13:01
chem|stZogG_laptop: and estel is not to be asked about posts on tmo13:01
chem|stwhat is your tmo name?13:01
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ZogG_laptopchem|st: do not unban me, i don't care anymore13:01
ZogG_laptopchem|st: most active people in n900 era are not active now for same reasons imho13:02
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ZogG_laptopi need to pay less attention to internet communities anyway13:03
djszapiwho is Estel ?13:04
ZogG_laptopit's funny but council is not related to moerators =)13:04
ZogG_laptopso is harmattan source leaked already somewhere?13:05
djszapiyes, I got that, but I unfortunately swallod it.13:05
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chem|stZogG_laptop: do you have personal issues with edgar?13:07
* djszapi thinks ZogG_laptop went for his gf :)13:07
chem|styou got infractions for getting personal... you could have waited the attack for one more week and would not get banned for it13:08
ZogG_laptopchem|st: i don't feel it as attack13:08
chem|st"sod off" is no personal attack?13:09
djszapichem|st: who are you in this council thingy ?13:09
ZogG_laptopi think some TMO users moroons, but it would be personal and i never called anyone there like that13:09
ZogG_laptopchem|st: sod off?13:09
chem|stdjszapi: in which council thingy?13:09
djszapichem|st: no clue =)13:09
ZogG_laptopchem|st: can you quote my post i was banned for?13:09
djszapiZogG_laptop: just let it go :)13:10
djszapiZogG_laptop: I have never understood that place tbh...13:10
ZogG_laptopand no i have nothing personal with edgar13:10
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i'm curious, where it was personal attack?13:10
chem|stZogG_laptop: well it is hard to give an infraction for telling someone to go outside and have some real life instead of pissing you off... that is why I asked if you pissed off edgar some way?13:10
chem|stsummer break in school? Maybe you go outside and play with friends instead of whining of updates of social app, while you can get social in real life?13:11
chem|stI would not give an infraction for that... at least not without being pissed already13:11
ZogG_laptopchem|st: if i did, only he can tell, it's second time i get it from him, first time i was little bit rude maybe, but i did it for good reasons13:11
chem|stI know that is why I would lift your bann and tell edgar to be more gentle13:12
djszapiwho is edgar again ? :)13:12
djszapiI mean... what did he achieve for maemo ?13:13
djszapiI have never seen such a nickname here at least.13:13
ZogG_laptopchem|st: the point is that dev asked few times not to ask about updates and that ibraka is just posting in every thread, jjust to post, go thru his msgs and you'll understand. it pissed me off, but still i tried not to be personal13:13
ZogG_laptopchem|st: DO NOT lift my ban13:13
ZogG_laptopchem|st: there are two options13:13
djszapilift or not lift =)13:14
ZogG_laptopor i'll let it go and i would not post at all (and i do try to help sometimes on TMO where i can)13:14
Elleoto lift or not to lift, that is the question; whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous posters; or to take arms against a sea of idiots and by opposing end them?13:15
* djszapi feels ignored13:15
ZogG_laptopor i'll just be pissed off of that stupidity while moderator doesn't do his work at first place and TMO is 80% of trash now, but when you say it you got banned. than i'll be really rude (and i don't want that but i'm stuborn)13:15
chem|stZogG_laptop: gimme a link to one of his posts, and your ban is lifted13:15
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: what?13:15
djszapiw-h-o i-s t-h-i-s p-e-r-s-o-n ? W-h-a-t h-a-s h-e a-c-h-i-e-v-e-d f-o-r m-a-e-m-o ?13:16
chem|stZogG_laptop: now you get me started! keep your grubby fingers off us moderators! we are so few that it is like 1:10013:16
ZogG_laptopchem|st: just leave it13:16
chem|stdjszapi: edgar is one of the tmo mods13:16
chem|stZogG_laptop: no I mean the link for the troll pls13:17
djszapiso he is a no coder, just a mod on the forum ?13:17
chem|stdjszapi: I have no idea13:17
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djszapiI would kinda hope for a well-known community member as a moderator ?13:17
ZogG_laptopchem|st: i know what is to be moerator, i know it's hard, but no one told it would be easy. i reported thousand times and mostly no reaction, i think if you have no time — get more moderators. simple as it. i'm telling it not like something personal. but as tmo is getting trashed13:18
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chem|sthe is only moderator no smod13:18
djszapias from end user point of view, tmo is an awkward place.13:19
djszapior very badly moderated. I am sorry for saying that.13:19
ZogG_laptopi miss lcuk and times when mece and venemo were more active and n900 times =P13:19
* djszapi misses 2010 and aKademy times when Qt and Nokia were on the top.13:20
chem|stwell people pissed on tmo mods so frequent and got into fights so they stepped down to end the pointless discussions, so a few got even less...13:21
MohammadAGN900 times > now13:21
djszapiexcept Qt...13:21
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i never got how it's as they say ¨freedom of speech¨ to start same threads or what should nokia do threads. but to say to them to stop and use search and at least to post those "nokia would read my post and make it different" things in one thread13:22
MohammadAGeven Qt13:22
MohammadAGat least there wasn't QML13:22
ZogG_laptopchem|st: the point here TMO loses active helpful users and devs. and if not anything would be done it would be left with nothing13:22
chem|stdjszapi: well known community members with a little brain do not want to be moderator or are some highwire freaks who trollfeed all day as they want to proof someone wrong on the internet - in general13:23
ZogG_laptopchem|st: an i didn't fight with edgar i actually told him what i think and he said he understands me. (at least if he was pissed at me i wasn't told)13:23
chem|stZogG_laptop: k13:24
djszapichem|st: well, blame them13:24
ZogG_laptopchem|st: why is it always troling or trollfeeding? i just want those things to stop on forum i felt like home few years ago, can't i have right for that?13:24
djszapithey allowed this to happen13:24
MohammadAGI think tmo lost all users it can lose :P13:24
djszapi1) Clear Code of Conduct13:25
djszapi2) Clear moderation from minute first.13:25
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: i was the last one =) but apperantly no one knows and recognize me =)13:25
chem|stZogG_laptop: if someone trolls the thread and you get on with him it is your own fault! you reply he replies you reply and so on, that is what polutes the fora13:25
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, ask for the ban to be lifted? no need for drama :P13:25
MohammadAGin other news, for drama, visit iOS channels13:26
chem|stMohammadAG: +113:26
ZogG_laptopchem|st: right on one hand, but on other hand if you would say nothing he would keep going, and i always ask nicely few first times13:26
chem|stMohammadAG: ban is already lifted13:26
ZogG_laptopi try not to say personal stuff and i try to bring facts13:26
MohammadAGWouldn't have banned ZogG_laptop really :P13:26
chem|stZogG_laptop: no you do not ask anything! get that in your head! as soon as you respond he catched you!13:27
MohammadAGthere are people who really deserve it :P13:27
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: it's not about ban, it would be expired on sunday anyway13:27
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ZogG_laptopchem|st: i think the word troll is misunderstood today13:27
MohammadAGit's all sorted then, forget it even happened ZogG_laptop :P13:27
ZogG_laptoptroll at least have to be smart and to know what he is doing13:28
MohammadAGmoc_statusupdaterplugin.cpp: In member function 'virtual void* StatusUpdaterPlugin::qt_metacast(const char*)':13:28
MohammadAGmoc_statusupdaterplugin.cpp:60: error: invalid static_cast from type 'StatusUpdaterPlugin*' to type 'MStatusIndicatorMenuExtensionInterface*'13:28
MohammadAGmoc_statusupdaterplugin.cpp:62: error: invalid static_cast from type 'StatusUpdaterPlugin*' to type 'MApplicationExtensionInterface*'13:28
MohammadAGwho understands moc enough to point out the problem?13:28
ZogG_laptophere it's kid who just think he is right and don't get it13:28
chem|stZogG_laptop: ehrm trolls do that on purpose, that needs brains!13:28
djszapiMohammadAG: very hard without the code...13:28
djszapiand no, I do not mean the moc code...13:29
ZogG_laptopchem|st: that's what i say, those are not trolls, those are zombies as they do not have brain but invade forum13:29
fralsMohammadAG: you are doing bad casts in statusupdaterplugin somewhere ;D13:29
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: you can't cast from this type into other for some reason =P13:29
ZogG_laptopfrals: sup \o/13:30
chem|stZogG_laptop: then tell someone about who has powers and try to stay calm or better simply stay calm13:30
ZogG_laptopfrals: no way for twitter updates after you are not nokia anymore?13:30
MohammadAGdjszapi, it's a moc file, autogenned13:30
djszapiMohammadAG: that is not the point13:30
ZogG_laptopchem|st: i reported about thousand times, nothing happened13:30
djszapiMohammadAG: like I said, you should show the relevant code, YOU wrote.13:30
chem|stZogG_laptop: I read most of them, some got banned some not some posted my warning back to the thread13:31
chem|stand so on13:31
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: i think moc autogen is not perfect and do not test everything for errors before it is done, the error in your code13:31
djszapierr... could you please discuss tmo related issues in a tmo thread ?13:31
MohammadAGfrals, djszapi
djszapiI presume we cannot do much in here.13:32
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, I'm not casting13:32
djszapithe quality of tmo should be raised to tmo maintainers in a form or other.13:32
chem|stI cleaned threads with +200 post from 100 posts rubish myself in threads they arent realy interesting to read but I need to read every fscking single post to understand the conversation13:32
djszapiI can admit that, it is a royal pita...13:33
chem|stsometimes it is as easy as getting on s/o profile and just delete a single persons posts and rip em off context...13:33
ZogG_laptopchem|st: lemme give you example, one noobie jjust posted resolution to problem he copy pasted somewhere. it deletes your data from phone. after that he added it does like 5 lines after. i reported it as i think disclaimer should be first and no commands like rm -rf should be posted without warning before it13:33
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chem|stZogG_laptop: I might not get all reports then, cannot remember something like this, cause I edit those posts13:34
MohammadAGforgot to make StatusUpdaterPlugin a subclass of MStatusIndicatorMenuExtensionInterface13:34
ZogG_laptopchem|st: and no, no one here saying you or moderators do not o there job, and that's it's easy. we are saying — it's not enuf13:35
chem|stmaybe I do not get reports from fora with a moderator13:35
djszapiZogG_laptop: and chem|st is saying that, there are not many moderators, and even less then before...13:35
chem|stif not the moderator reports13:35
chem|stdjszapi: +113:36
ZogG_laptopchem|st: after all you and me want tmo to be nice place and on same side13:36
chem|stthe good ones were shot... twice!13:36
djszapiso unless there are new contributors stepping up, the quality will not increase that much.13:36
djszapichem|st: can new people easily step up and join the moderation team ?13:36
ZogG_laptopi wouldn't want to be moder, as i know i would be to hard on people =)13:37
chem|stdjszapi: not that easy13:37
chem|stZogG_laptop: I know...13:37
djszapichem|st: then fix the workflow13:37
djszapiotherwise you cannot call for volunteers.13:38
djszapiand not something that is gonna be changed any soon.13:38
chem|stdjszapi: you get up to 3 sections to start with, just mail reggie you want to... if you show to be reliable you may become smod13:38
ZogG_laptopmost reasonable and smart people who are suitable for it wouldn't want it, while people who do not deserve do want it13:39
chem|stZogG_laptop: exactly13:39
djszapichem|st: I wonder why you are still doing this.13:39
ZogG_laptopas first understnd that responsiblity is not easy and later think power is awesome13:39
djszapiif you also see, you cannot make this a high-quality forum easily.13:39
chem|stI do not want estel to be mod or abill_uk... or pupnik13:39
ZogG_laptopchem|st: why not?13:40
chem|stdjszapi: because noone else does? and I am no asshole and leave reggie alone with edgar...13:40
chem|stZogG_laptop: are you serious13:40
chem|stbad enough to have estel in council...13:41
ZogG_laptopabill as far as i recall him and if i'm right not always resaonable. can't say anything about estel. but pupnik as far as i know (and i know little bit of him) is ok13:41
djszapichem|st: I do not think it is an "asshole" behavior to look for more successful "projects", but I can also understand your preference anyway.13:41
DocScrutinizer05Nokia killed by Flop, and community by mass suicide13:42
* MohammadAG ponders how to implement something that looks like this in MTF
ZogG_laptopchem|st: i do not know anything about estel, why is it so bad?13:42
DocScrutinizer05(no better word for "we consider nominating this sort of characters for council/chanop/mod"13:42
djszapiis it the same estel that is also in charge of the RPI thingy ?13:43
djszapior is that distinct ?13:43
chem|stZogG_laptop: ehrm I do not tell, read tmo threads and posts and community mailing list and maybe maemo-meeting logs and you will get it...13:43
M4rtinKZogG_laptop ??13:44
djszapichem|st: why don't you tell ?13:44
ZogG_laptopchem|st: i do not involved that much in TMO. and today i found out that there is some group that actually kinda friends and felllows and they are elite of TMO =) is that your point?13:44
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: ?13:44
M4rtinKZogG_laptop: I've seen a ping from you :)13:45
chem|stdjszapi: well one I can tell, he is pulling or trying to pull votes with 3 councelors 2 absent to get more personal power over maemo infrastructure13:46
djszapidon't you have guys a board discussion about ongoing things ?13:46
chem|stZogG_laptop: what do you mean? pls elaborate on that TMO elite thing13:47
chem|styou lost me13:48
* DocScrutinizer05 waves13:49
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djszapichem|st: is he the same person as in case the rpi ?13:52
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DocScrutinizer51chem|st: why o.O?13:57
DocScrutinizer51or did you mean oo13:57
DocScrutinizer51which been short for 'over and out' since times write been invented13:58
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DocScrutinizer51(man write)14:01
ZogG_laptopM4rtinK: just asked sup14:02
infobotfrom memory, o is OH!14:02
ZogG_laptopchem|st: elite thing is the same thing you are telling about votes and power, just people around power. but i can be wrong as i took it personally14:04
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DocScrutinizer51~o is also ~o means 'over' in context of write(1)14:05
DocScrutinizer51infobot: botsnack14:05
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infobotDocScrutinizer51: okay14:05
infobotDocScrutinizer51: :)14:05
DocScrutinizer51infobot: help14:05
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infobotmethinks o is OH!, or ~o means 'over' in context of write(1)14:06
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DocScrutinizer51now for real: afk, bbl14:10
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ZogG_laptopanyone has idea why my app has no red "x" for un-install anymore, i mean what can be a reason?14:29
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radiofreemozilla facefox14:36
ZogG_laptoprzr: ping14:37
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AlphaX2ZogG_laptop Same here I am also missing the red cross14:44
AlphaX2don't know why14:44
MohammadAG1 iOS 6 feature down 199 ones to go14:44
MohammadAGwe probably already have most of the 199s though14:45
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: make those icons =)14:46
AlphaX2Just a bit stupid that we need so much "hack-around" due to aegis14:46
ZogG_laptopAlphaX2: it was there though14:46
MohammadAGvery true14:46
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, I'll need to jb iOS 6 first14:47
MohammadAGthen steal the icons14:47
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: i don't think we gonna get pr1.3 so cssu and open kernel — the time has come14:47
MohammadAGthen get sued14:47
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: use official icons, want me to fins those?14:48
MohammadAGthey look good?14:48
AlphaX2ZogG_laptop: ? Do you know whats wrong with the red "x"14:48
rigo_not a good idea IMHO, make your own, be creative14:48
rigo_btw, what is TMO?14:49
AlphaX2jepp everybody knows Apples layers14:49
AlphaX2is TMO14:49
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: you can make them as harmattan icons =P14:49
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: new twitter logo is something like that
AlphaX2hmm more or less like in QNeptunea - but blue ;)14:50
ZogG_laptoprigo_: Team Of Onanists =)14:50
ZogG_laptopTeam of Mass Onanaists14:51
ZogG_laptopAlphaX2: it's new official one14:51
ZogG_laptopAlphaX2: no idea what hhappened =(14:51
AlphaX2It's so ugly14:51
AlphaX2the logo14:51
AlphaX2Hmm do you have MD5sums in your package?14:52
rigo_AlphaX2, that's what I say, don't copy, make a nicer one, be creative14:53
AlphaX2I think I could be related to them14:54
ZogG_laptopAlphaX2: i tried to push it to apps4meego and screwed it14:54
AlphaX2but I was to lazy to try it out^^14:54
rigo_ZogG_laptop, note well that this channel is publicly archived and we forgot to put the delete button on the Web, unfortunately14:54
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ZogG_laptoprigo_: soooooo?14:55
ZogG_laptoprigo_: it's still internet and if someone would feel better hating me, let them14:56
ZogG_laptopand not rigo_ and AlphaX2 you can't make own twitter of facebook logos, as it needs to be recognized by everyone14:57
AlphaX2jepp but a little beautiful bird and the facebook blue with the "f" in Harmattan styled icons will be recognized - I think14:58
rigo_MohammadAG, cool14:59
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: =*15:00
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: why do you need caption there?15:00
chem|st~wtf rpi15:00
infobotGee...  I don't know what rpi means...15:00
rigo_my question again, has the download failure of Mozilla 13 bug been resolved in any way?15:00
ZogG_laptopanyone here god with git?15:01
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MohammadAGZogG_laptop, caption?15:01
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: the words15:02
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MohammadAGZogG_laptop, it'd look ugly without them15:06
MohammadAGvery ugly15:07
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rigo_ah, wassup is a twitter clone and the latest thing for the kiddies with California privacy15:11
rigo_in what way is it better than ( or twitter?15:11
MohammadAGanyone used the twitter API?15:13
mgedminfor some values of "used"15:17
mgedminI've written a small python script to archive my tweets using twitter's REST API15:17
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MohammadAGI haven't figured out how to login15:32
MohammadAGFacebook's docs about login are way clearer15:33
mgedminthe only thing I know about this is that twitter uses oauth (or probably oauth2?)15:33
MohammadAGFacebook uses it too, but it's simple15:34
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MohammadAGyou make a web view, direct the user to a URL, user completes sign in, you process the token15:34
jonniDocScrutinizer51: cannot comment on your question. But I can say that Im looking for a new job ;-)15:34
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MohammadAGis Qt compiled with OpenSSL on Harmattan?15:38
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: just use twitter acc in system for that15:44
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, how?15:44
MohammadAGplus that needs aegis afaik15:44
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: no aegis15:46
ZogG_laptopi think15:46
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: account is saving token and token password afaik15:46
ZogG_laptopyou need to extract this info from it15:47
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: - something like that15:47
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MohammadAGthink I'm gonna email twitter requesting xAuth15:52
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: xauth is not supported natively while oauth is supported and yu have token there already15:57
fralsMohammadAG: using xauth is very deprecated and you dont get access to all APIs16:00
MohammadAGfrals, is using accounts as ZogG_laptop pointed out an "official" way?16:01
fralsdoubt it16:01
fralspretty sure aegis should protect twitter and fb accounts16:01
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MohammadAGwonder how a plugin would detect the status menu was closed16:23
MohammadAGStatusIndicatorMenuBusinessLogic lol?16:25
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rigo_wow, RIP Nokia16:35
rigo_Who are the shareholders in this? This is amazing. How can one be so self destructive?16:38
rigo_I think Elop merits a mention in the Darwin awards16:38
rigo_SpeedEvil, no, not :/16:39
rigo_HP fired all the finest semantic web people in the world from their Bristol lab16:39
rigo_they grouped and founded a new company that grows and grows and grows and outperfoms all others16:40
mgedminrigo_, which company is that?16:40
rigo_Somebody in this community should get their hands wet and create a new company that makes decent phones from cheap parts16:41
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SpeedEvilrigo_: Problem is you need to put down several million for a realistic design.16:42
mgedminwe need to get Mark Shuttleworth interested in smartphones :)16:44
SpeedEvilElon Musk.16:46
SpeedEvilI want a phone that can go into orbit.16:46
SpeedEvilThe several million would only address the hardware16:46
SpeedEvilSoftware is more complex16:47
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rigo_SpeedEvil, the company is
rigo_sorry, mgedmin, this was for you16:50
mgedminjust wanted to know if I've ever heard of it or no (turns out, no)16:51
jreznikSpeedEvil: in this case I think hw is more complex - and more expansive... not saying sw is easy, especially hw adaptation (but it's again more hw problem)16:51
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rigo_SpeedEvil, if every potential shareholder of the 10k laid-off people contributes 2k€ you have everything you need16:52
jreznikthere are a lot of people interested in software who know how to code but hw guys - only a few skilled and you need a lot of money - see GTA04...16:52
rigo_jreznik, this is the challenge16:53
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jreznikrigo_: if I would be billionaire I'd do it for fun :)16:54
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SpeedEvilrigo_: Oh - sure.17:14
SpeedEvilrigo_: If I had the cash, I'd do it myself.17:15
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rigo_SpeedEvil, if more people think like you and start to work for shares in the beginning, I think they can make a difference.17:17
rigo_cyanogen installs on android phones. Why shouldn't another thing install on mobile phones?17:19
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DocScrutinizer51AIUI Nikolaus of Goldelico (GTA04) asked for kickstart donations18:13
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heymasterHow make Qt Creator to use esc button instead of ctrl+space (for auto completion)18:40
ieatlintDocScrutinizer, not all of us have 665EUR+ to cough up for a gta04 that doesn't even come with a case18:44
ieatlintdepressingly, i've also gotten too excited about too many failed phone platforms.. it's already a joke with my friends :P18:46
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ieatlintnot sure i have the heart these days to jump onto another niche platform18:46
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MohammadAGI can't apt-get doanything cause of SingOn wtf19:05
MohammadAGis there a way to fix that?19:05
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heymasterSimple question. I don't understand cpp/qml app architecture :)19:15
MohammadAGalthough I hate qml and may not be able to answer your question19:17
heymasterI have qml ui file and main.cpp file. In qml I have ListView. How to connect cpp class with qml ui. I don't think it's good to add code to main.cpp file19:18
heymasteratlast someone alive :)19:18
heymasterIn iPhone file i have controller file .m and ui file xib. I want someting with Qt19:19
heymasterMohammadAG: do understood my question?19:20
MohammadAG.m and .h equivalents are .cpp and .h files19:21
MohammadAG.nib would be .qml19:21
MohammadAGwhat exactly do you want to connect?19:21
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heymasterI have listview with products and i will add products from cpp code (model)19:22
heymasterNow i can load qml file in main.cpp and fill listview, but i don't think it's good19:23
heymasteri know how to fill19:23
heymasterbut i will have mant different windows19:23
MohammadAGthe concept of windows doesn't exist in QML19:24
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heymasteryes, views19:24
MohammadAGif you're using components you can use different pages19:24
MohammadAGmake a Page {} and push it to the stack19:25
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heymasterOk if i press list item i will load new qml file how i will connect another qml file with different cpp file?19:26
heymasterthat's my question19:26
heymasterMohammadAG: I know how works navigation.. I have used UINavigationController in iOS19:27
heymasterI don't know how to make application logic19:28
MohammadAGregister the class with qmlRegisterType in main.cpp, then import the registered type in the qml file19:28
MohammadAGthis'll help you
MohammadAGqmlRegisterType<QCppItem>("MyModule", 0, 1, "CppItem")19:29
MohammadAGthen in the qml file19:29
MohammadAGimport MyModule 0.119:29
heymasterbut why it's so hard? I though will be something out of box19:30
MohammadAGQML is like that, that's why I hate it19:30
heymasteryes :)19:30
MohammadAGI prefer MTF really, but it can be hard for some people19:30
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MohammadAGI imagine that since you've worked with iOS you might also like it, but it's platform dependent19:30
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MohammadAGmeaning it'll only run on MeeGo19:31
heymasterMohammadAG: C19:31
MohammadAGMTF is pure C++/Qt19:31
MohammadAGwell, it's a framework written in Qt, it's what native apps use19:31
heymasterso if i want to code for harmattan i must use qml?19:31
MohammadAGno, as I said there's MTF19:32
MohammadAGHarmattan falls under MeeGo :P19:32
heymasterand n9 ?19:32
MohammadAGUI is written in code though19:32
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MohammadAGno designer19:32
MohammadAGor something like storyboards on iOS519:33
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MohammadAGfor advanced UIs, QML is way easier, MTF is faster (runtine)19:34
heymasterI created c++ widget project and run on simulator and don't see native components why19:34
heymastermobile qt app19:35
heymasteri made screenshot19:36
heymasterMohammadAG: any thoughts ?19:38
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heymasterso only qml?19:48
heymasterif i want n9 native look?19:49
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ieatlintyou're making a regular qt widget with that, which won't really work19:50
ieatlintwhat MohammadAG was saying is that there are a set of harmattan qt widgets, part of MTF, where that will work (MButton, etc)19:51
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ieatlintbut i'm afraid no one here has the time to really give a good walkthrough on it all.. so google is your friend, and you may need to use qml19:51
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ieatlintqml being the nokia approved/pushed method for developing apps19:51
heymasterieatlint: thanks19:52
ieatlintnp... if you have specific questions, you'll find good help here19:53
heymasterI see :)19:53
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ieatlintit's the comprehensive ones that we can't sneak away from a day jobs to answer for 2h ;)19:54
heymasterieatlint: Just if I press button (created with qml) i need to connect with c++ that i need to use ?  qmlRegisterType ?19:54
heymasterieatlint: yes i know .. still haven't learn english properly19:55
ieatlintthere are a few ways to do it in qml, but the method detailed briefly above i find the best19:55
heymasterieatlint: ok thanks. now i understand fundamentals19:56
ieatlintyou create a c++ class, and you register it with qmlRegisterType in the main.cpp.  in qml, you import the class, and then you create an object of it in qml19:56
ieatlintonce you have the object in qml, you can do this: Button { onClicked: myObject.buttonPressed(); }19:56
heymasterieatlint: very good19:57
ieatlintand whenever someone clicks the button, it calls myObject::buttonPressed()19:57
ieatlint(and you can use basic types as arguments... but i'd stick to int/float/strings)19:57
heymasteri was reading qml tutorials, but all of them about simple things. Connecting qml with cpp i think most thing need to documented (in tutorials)19:58
heymasterok thanks, will try to write some code :)19:59
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ieatlintheymaster, here's some code that i just threw together
ieatlintit can't be run, and it may contain some syntax errors20:02
ieatlintbut it should show basically how you get an object into qml and can call things and receive signals20:02
ieatlintnote that any method you call from qml to your c++ class must be a public slot (or a public method that is registered, which does the same thing -- but just use public slots and don't worry about it)20:03
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MohammadAGsorry, was away20:05
MohammadAGieatlint summed it up well :P20:05
heymasterieatlint: thanks20:06
ieatlintnp, good luck20:06
ieatlintthe models for ListView is a whole other bit of fun :P20:07
heymasterieatlint: I will use QStandardItemModel20:07
heymasteri'm not so newbie20:08
ieatlintthe page MohammadAG posted above about models in qml is important..20:08
* MohammadAG uses QAbstractItemModel20:08
ieatlintthere are some quirks, as you need to set the roles20:08
ieatlintotherwise you can't reference the data in qml20:08
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ieatlintand when you pass the model to qml, treat it as a QObject* and not a model20:09
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heymasterieatlint: i need to use registered types and return QObject* to fill model ? That's you want to say?20:13
ieatlintnot exactly20:14
heymasteror use context fuction to fill?20:15
ieatlintyou're likely to end up causing the model to fill by creating a method in MyClass that returns the model20:15
ieatlintso it'll be ListView { model: localOjbect.listModel() } and MyClass::listModel()20:15
ieatlintthe return value of MyClass::listModel() should be QObject* and not QAbstractItemModel* or similar20:15
heymasteryes, thanks20:16
ieatlintsame if you use a signal with the model as the argument20:16
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heymasterieatlint: ok, thanks. I just needed to understand fundamentals (connecting qml an cpp) . now everything looks clear20:17
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heymasterby the way i don't own n9 and other maemo devices. just anybody used usb connection to connect microcontroller like arduino?20:19
ieatlintgood luck then :)20:19
heymasteri will try to write app for contest20:19
ieatlintthe principles above apply to qml in general, btw, and aren't harmattan specific at all20:19
heymasterit's my iPhone project, but would be cool to make for n9 :)20:21
heymasterjust want to say not so newbie programmer as looks20:22
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ieatlinti don't think people really thought you were that new to programming in general, it's just weirdness with this whole qml thing20:25
ieatlintwe all had this headache :/20:25
ieatlintas for connecting an arduino to it... my understanding is that it's not presently possible.. usb otg is not officially supported, and i don't know how far DocScrutinizer got on it before declaring the platform complete shit20:26
heymastern9 don't have simple rs232 conection20:28
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SpeedEvilEasiest way is possibly via bluetooth20:33
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heymasterSpeedEvil: it's great. you can't use custom own defined bluetooth protocol without jailbeak on idevices and you can access rs232 only with jailbreak or buy very expensive license (not for mortals)20:44
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pacan someone explain me why when i try the examples, for example the scanner in declarative-connectivity, it always starts in landscape mode?21:28
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ieatlintif they're not harmattan examples, they'd not work out of the box21:33
ieatlintthey'd use QApplication instead of MApplication21:34
ieatlintand anything using QApplication on harmattan is forced landscape21:34
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paah thats why21:35
paalso im getting lost in the pro file21:35
pai just wanted to clone one of the examples in a new project21:36
paand i gave up21:36
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paanyway, im not sure what you mean with "MApplicaton"21:40
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MohammadAGieatlint, actually no :P21:55
MohammadAGafaik QApplication and MApplication are interchangable at times21:56
MohammadAGand it's QMainWindow vs MApplicationWindow that matters21:56
MohammadAGpa, MApplication is MTF21:56
infobotA Microsoft Tape Format reader. URL:  MeeGoTouchFramework, a deprecated framework that's miles faster than QML21:56
pai guess i would need just a stub project21:57
pathat i can use as template21:57
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pawith Qt its always the same..21:57
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heymasterHow to close app using harmattan qemu?22:30
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heymaster (N9 and Arduino)22:34
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ieatlintMohammadAG, ah, knew it was one of those :P23:12
ieatlinti guess that makes sense... QApplication isn't a widget23:13
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