IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2012-06-14

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TronicI wonder if PR1.3 is cancelled now...10:16
TronicNokia just announced that it is firing 10000 people and terminating its Salo factory and Ulm office. AFAIK all the Linux/Qt development was in Ulm.10:17
denismTronic: could you give a link for Ulm? I can not find it right now from google10:20
abTronic: part of work was in Ulm, not everything10:20
abTronic: and Qt development was never in Ulm10:20
denismand has news about Finnish part only10:20
abdenism: look at, first press-release of today10:20
denismab: thanks10:20
denismI have to read official pages sometimes :)10:21
abhowever, closing of Ulm is indeed worrying10:21
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denismyes, there were hundreds of jobs in Ulm last autumn. So it might be an incorrect decision for a lot of people10:26
abTimo Toikkanen was SVP, Customer and Market Operations in Middle East&Africa, and also vice-president for Nokia in China before10:28
abso this is business guy, knows how to deal with feature phones10:28
b00^wk<Tronic> Nokia just announced that it is firing 10000 people and terminating its Salo factory and Ulm office. AFAIK all the Linux/Qt development was in Ulm.10:29
b00^wknokia got sold to ms completely now10:30
abon that wave, I have to congratulate Scalado guys10:32
abvery good cashout10:32
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aparaattihi, where could I get gnu screen for n9, anyone know?10:34
abalso, press-release says "R&D in Salo to continue" so it is factory that's closed, not product development/prototyping10:34
TronicAFAIK the factory is only for prototyping anymore.10:35
Tronic(even prior to this)10:35
abTronic: my n9 is made at Salo10:35
b00^wksure not assembled in china ?10:35
TronicDid you buy it from a store?10:35
abTronic: yes10:36
TronicOkay, I guess they do some manufacturing for the markets as well.10:36
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b00^wkhey, what do you use to make a new kernel config ?  i'm used to menuconfig, but this aint working well in the scratchbox11:06
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b00^wkwhat the heck, i've installed all the libncurses dev packages, yet this menuconf still fails to link  / find them seems ..11:13
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unreal-djszapi: please resume?11:40
djszapiwell, next-billion is cancelled.11:41
djszapiNokia seems to remain a hardware developer company.11:42
rcgor to put it even shorter: same shit different day11:44
djszapiexcept that, Qt might be gone this way11:45
djszapiso it is way way way, and let me repeat: WAY bigger shit.11:45
jussifar out11:45
jussiI can almost cry. bloody elop.11:46
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DocScrutinizer51well, plus just I read another 10k layoffs til 201311:49
denismlets clarify, 'next billion' is not cancelled :) as it might be that Smarterphone :) and so on :)12:05
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djszapisales pitch on ? :p12:07
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djszapiQtCS is not cancelled yet for next week =p12:09
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Lava_Croftof course nokia is firing people12:17
Lava_Croftthey arent there to provide welfare12:17
djszapithat is just a natural consequence of the decision...12:18
Lava_Croftits a natural consequence that comes from years of bad management12:18
Lava_Crofteven if elop wasnt around and nokia didnt switch to WP7, they still would have to fire these people12:19
djszapifully agree... the main problem was MeeGo IMO.12:19
Lava_Croftthe days of 3210 and a nokia service point in just about every town are over12:19
djszapiand Elop was nowhere back then.12:19
djszapiwe had a nice Maemo story.. why MeeGo ? why ? why ? why ?12:19
Lava_Crofti personally, as a total non-dev, think the blunt switch to Meego did it12:19
Lava_Croftnot just physically, but also mentally12:20
fralswarning, warning, expert in the building12:20
Lava_Croftmaemo is a nice story12:20
Lava_Croftbut its not the story that is or was going to make nokia a lot of moneys12:20
djszapiI disagree12:20
djszapiHarmattan could have made money for Nokia.12:20
djszapiThey are now trying to get money from almost the same hardware with a lot crappier software.12:21
Lava_Croftthere's more to a this that just having the best software12:21
Lava_Croftmy typing is on fire12:22
icotait's also about having good hw12:22
Lava_Croftand about the whole back end12:22
icotaimagine a next gen N912:22
Lava_Croftthe 'app store' stuff12:22
b00^wkit sounded like not about 'make a lot ..' , more like, 'can we survive ..'12:22
Lava_Crofteveruthing around it12:22
djszapitrivial, but the Nokia hardware is IMO good enough for getting money.12:23
djszapias an opinion from a user.12:23
Lava_Croftit feels better than samsung12:23
Lava_Croftmy n912:23
djszapiif I take a look at other hardwares out there, well ... well ... and well.12:23
Lava_Croftbut not better than an iphone412:23
Lava_Croftjust holding it in your hand, that is12:23
b00^wkhold a small brick man :)12:23
Lava_Crofti have a n90012:23
Lava_Croftdoes that count as a small brick12:23
b00^wkyes if thats how you think of your hw12:24
djszapiat any rate, I think Harmattan was the best bet for Nokia12:24
djszapiofc IMO.12:24
Lava_Croftharmattan was the only bet for nokia12:24
jreznikNokia is going to be OEM - buy hw, buy sw and sell it with Nokia logo12:24
Lava_Croftnokia is certainly going to survive one way or the other :)12:24
djszapiwell, they at least did something unlike Intel.12:24
b00^wkyes, by being a MS whore12:24
Lava_Crofti dont see nokia as an ms whore12:24
djszapime neither12:25
b00^wkof course12:25
icotais there any way to fork harmattan UX? is it open source? the mer stuff looks different12:25
jreznikdjszapi: yep, intel, another story :)12:25
Lava_Croftand i certainly dont feel for all the puberty-induced anti MS raging12:25
djszapiI did work closely with Intel inside Nokia, but Intel was even a lot bigger crap12:25
djszapia lot lot lot, let me repeat a LOT bigger crap.12:25
jreznikdjszapi: for intel, it is still game - but game they can loose everything12:25
djszapijreznik: Intel did not provide anything valuable to my life.12:26
jreznikhow many years they are promising real mobile cpus?12:26
djszapijreznik: Nokia did with N912:26
djszapiI mean in the mobile phone sector. =)12:26
b00^wklike, 3 years late ?12:26
Lava_Croftthe n9 is really nice, but its also quite rough around the edges12:26
djszapior actually even in the embedded including tablets.12:26
Lava_Croftand in no way a competitor for ios or durrrdroid12:26
jreznikb00^wk: only three? but yeah, could be12:26
b00^wkin my lagging estimation12:27
b00^wkand dead before born kinda12:27
Lava_Croftn9 is too little too late, sadly:<12:27
djszapithat is exactly what me and Lava_Croft said12:27
b00^wked zachory12:27
djszapiIMO, MeeGo killed Harmattan as well12:27
TronicLava_Croft: No, you are quite wrong. N9 was right on time. Lumia was badly late.12:27
djszapiI was saying this in 2010, but everything was telling me I was talking bullshit.12:27
Lava_CroftTronic: if you think that 2011 is right on time12:27
Lava_Croftwhen iphone was released in 200712:28
jreznikTronic: N9 was late, Lumia is even more late12:28
Lava_Croftit only took them 4 years right12:28
TronicLava_Croft: Yes, I do. N9 is *much* better than iPhone (the one released in 2007, especially).12:28
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Lava_CroftTronic: for me personally too12:28
Lava_Croftbut overall, its not12:28
Lava_Croftpeople want iphones12:28
Lava_Croftnot n9's12:28
Corsacor android12:28
Lava_Crofti had a galaxy nexus for 2 weeks12:28
Lava_Crofti longed for Symbian^312:29
TronicLava_Croft: In case you haven't been paying attention, a lot of people now want Android.12:29
b00^wkyea, there is this small thing called android12:29
jreznikand Nokia really fails delivering phones to market - first time I heard about SIII was one month ago, announcement a little bit later and you can buy S3 here... you can't buy Lumia 900 here... and here it's Nokia market (50%+) now looks Samsung is taking 50%+ here12:29
TronicLava_Croft: Had Nokia done the right thing and pushed new Harmattan-based devices as they keep pushing new Lumias, the situation could be entirely different.12:29
djszapiI am the only happy with my N9 ? :D12:29
CorsacI am too12:30
Corsacwell, except that I'm cursed with all the imap bugs :/12:30
Lava_CroftTronic: I have run into way too many people living in some kind of dreamstate12:30
b00^wkpapa Bill came, and said, i save you poor Nokia, just bend down and take the windows12:30
jreznikdjszapi: hey, I'm the happiest!12:30
Lava_CroftIll just say you are completely right and be done with it!12:30
djszapiif there is no this damn MeeGo thingy...12:30
jreznikIf they start loving us, we could12:30
jreznikend up in a deadly embrace like Nokia ...12:30
Lava_Croftand papa bill didnt came12:30
Lava_Croftdumb finnish people came12:30
jreznik(from our mailing list today :D)12:30
djszapiHarmattan would be a super killer to me.12:30
Lava_Croftand did shit for years12:30
b00^wkdumb finish ?12:31
Lava_Croftnokia was run by finnish people12:31
b00^wkdumb NOkia / :)12:31
Lava_Croftfinnish people that were sleeping while apple and samsung took over12:31
TronicLava_Croft: Well, I constantly keep running into people with that Windows Phone dreamstate. The markets constantly keep saying the opposite, so who's dreaming?12:31
jreznikLava_Croft: that was probably the main issue - finnish people :)12:31
jreznikLumia is not bad for MS, a few nice ideas but it's still very unfinished os as harmattan was in time of release... just wp are out a year longer12:32
TronicLava_Croft: The same goes for people with the iPhone dream, btw, not noticing how quickly Android is taking over the market.12:32
Lava_Croftnokia needs more time to actually put their mark on that wp7 shit12:32
* djszapi will lead the Qt5 Harmattan session at QtCS anyway, no matter how others dislike this Harmattan phone...12:32
Lava_CroftTronic: and12:32
b00^wkyea, pushing their android crack around.. getting people hoocked on it ..12:32
Lava_Croftandroid is cheap and omnipresent12:32
Lava_Croftof course people get on with it12:33
djszapibut a total crap from Qt story POV.12:34
Lava_Croftandroid is total crap from a lot of POV's12:34
djszapiI respect Bogdan's work and all that jazz12:34
djszapibut that platform cannot be powered up with Qt nicely by its nature.12:35
b00^wkwhat is powered up with Qt, and why would it need it ?12:35
djszapiThough, there is no other option for the foreseeable future apart from Qt5 Harmattan if any...12:35
djszapibecause Qt is awesome12:35
Lava_Crofti like that qml stuff12:36
djszapiYou do not really ever wanna to write in a total different environment for each platform12:36
djszapiI recommend reading the qt introduction, and try to understand its main goal.12:36
djszapithat the trolls established about 20 years ago.12:36
b00^wkah wait, here comes another ex-nokia qt programmer , wants job12:37
b00^wkactually two of them freshly hired here ...12:37
djszapi1) I do not work for Nokia 2) I do have a Qt job.12:38
djszapiso nothing correct, but whatever =)12:38
Lava_Crofthe said ex-nokia12:38
Lava_Croftwhich means you dont work for nokia12:38
Lava_Croftthat part was correct12:38
b00^wki've spend 3 -5 hours looking at Samsung phones , and ...12:39
b00^wki couldnt buy it12:39
djszapiok, let me put it this way:12:39
djszapiI did not work for Nokia directly either.12:39
Lava_Croftthe galaxy nexus was really horrible12:39
b00^wkyea ? i only read good reviews12:39
Lava_Croftit feels cheap plastic12:40
Lava_Croftand the software, well12:40
djszapiI think there is a bit of disagreeing opinions here ...12:40
djszapiI am basically looking for a phone where I can develop without a totally new environment, so that I do not need to spend enormous man power for porting a little tiny application, not even bigger ones...12:40
Lava_Croftfor me, android feels very not tought through12:41
Lava_Croftas if they made part A and the C, later on they created B and tucked that inbetween A and C12:41
Lava_Croftmuch like Symbian^3 on the N8 feels12:41
djszapiso things like iphone, or droid is not even a consideration to me ideally ...12:41
Lava_Croftand it wasnt able to smoothly scroll through a list12:41
Lava_Crofton a dual-core cpu12:41
aard_djszapi: just be patient... ;)12:41
djszapiaard_: why would I ?12:42
djszapiI will go for Qt5 Harmattan as of now.12:42
djszapiI like hacking, hobby is not something you can postpone.12:42
b00^wkLava_Croft,  may be your have jerky fingers ? :)12:44
djszapianyway, I am still grateful to Nokia about how they invested into Qt ...12:45
b00^wkah., i see you can build qt apps for android too ..12:47
djszapiyes, a huge PITA, but you can.12:48
djszapiwithout proper components, etc.12:48
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djszapiwith much smaller Qt community around.12:48
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djszapi not to mention, they have a totally broken and forced workflow IMO for command line hackers.12:49
b00^wkwhat does that mean ?12:50
djszapihave you ever tried to actually write a hello world Qt app for Android ?12:50
b00^wkno, im just reading articles now12:50
djszapiright, you /have/ to use QtCreator mostly.12:50
djszapithere are certain workarounds by nowadays like back then at Symbian times, but then again: royal PITA.12:51
b00^wkand they don't run natively , i see :/12:51
djszapiand then again, I do not consider the android hardwares any good in comparison with N9.12:51
djszapinor in smoothness.12:51
b00^wkdjszapi,  well this is really depends on what  / how you compare12:52
djszapismoothness does not depend, no.12:52
djszapiyou are flickering, etc.12:52
djszapimoving stuff around12:52
djszapiit is not smooth.12:52
djszapinot that I even like the UI itself.12:52
b00^wkstrange, i have not noticed any of those on my wife's 2 year old htc with android12:53
djszapiwe did12:53
b00^wkui is subjective again.. i may dislike the anroid, she hates / finds 'stupid' the n9's i have12:53
djszapiand the htc hardware is a joke to my taste :)12:54
djszapiafter getting an N9 anyway12:54
b00^wkyea a  2 year old htc vs 2011 nokia12:54
b00^wkmay be12:54
djszapiwell, I had HTC Desire.12:55
b00^wkhey,  if I want a package to be added to Harmattan for N9, whats the easiest way? its just a console tool i like to have12:55
b00^wki see it seems compiles & runs ..12:55
b00^wki want them to add it :P12:56
b00^wkdjszapi, i hever had an Android phone, but , now i decided to actually try and use one. just bought one to try,  use it for a while side by side my n9 - to get my own un-biased opinion12:58
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djszapib00^wk: well, I am biased about Qt as a developer obviously. :)13:00
b00^wki understand13:00
Lava_Croftthere's no sane software to do irssi over ssh on android13:02
Lava_Croftnor did i find any sane software to just play an icecast stream13:02
b00^wkbut i find a much better nfc support13:02
Lava_Croftthat's hardly a selling point for me13:03
djszapiLava_Croft: there are tons of WORKING irc clients though.13:03
b00^wkand will prob soon have much more drivers13:03
djszapiwhich we basically do not have for Harmattan. :(13:03
Lava_Croftwho needs tons of irc clients when one has irssi over ssh13:03
djszapialmost everybody uses working UI client13:03
djszapiand almost nobody in percentages, "irssi over ssh".13:03
Lava_Croftthat says very little13:03
b00^wkwell i actually paid for one (cheap but..), and the basdard eats power13:03
b00^wkunlike irssi13:04
Lava_Croftnow you imply that just because a lot of people do something, that is the correct way? :)13:04
Lava_Crofti could use a gui client to connect to my irssi13:04
Lava_Croftbut gui clients for an apps that just displays text...13:04
Lava_Croftnot really for me:)13:04
djszapiLava_Croft: no, I am saying that, that was done because that is the majority13:04
b00^wki find that n9 term too small for meee eyeess13:04
Lava_Croftb00^wk: fingerterm13:05
djszapiI wish, somebody had done a working IRC client for Harmattan.13:05
djszapias for irssi, you would need an app as the console anyway13:05
b00^wkLava_Croft,  must try13:06
Lava_Croftb00^wk: it sadly doesnt seem to allow to run multiple instances of itself, but apart from that its just pretty damn good13:06
b00^wkthere was this term i used long long time ago with multiple instances ..13:07
Lava_Croftxterm on the n900 maybe? :)13:07
b00^wki never had n900 :)13:07
djszapiyou dislike terminal stuff as well anyway13:08
djszapisince you have an app only for text13:08
b00^wkwhich app ?13:08
djszapithe terminal app.13:08
djszapialso, not telling to you, but Lava_Croft :)13:09
b00^wk'dislike terminal '   .. 'terminal app'13:09
b00^wkhey, when i scratchbox, right, and in the ARMEL target,  if i use apt-cache search, will that search through the actual available/ not things for the arm version of the Harmattan ?13:10
djszapiwrong quote.. you miss the "stuff" which is an important word in there. Let us not play word game though. :)13:10
djszapiman apt-cache13:10
djszapiit is a basic stuff that needs to be understood :)13:10
b00^wkthanks mate13:10
djszapiit is obviously searching in the updated list locally.13:11
djszapilike the "cache" could hint you :P13:11
b00^wkwell my apt-get update is from yesterday13:11
djszapianybody having g_serial experience in here ? I would like to test that between the laptop and board with minicom-minicom ping ?13:15
djszapibut I am not getting anything on the other side.13:15
djszapi -> was reading this stuff.13:15
* jussi is still grumbling that he cant find a working quassel2go...13:16
b00^wkis there a dpkg sources for non-free packages ? :)13:18
b00^wkah, there ... nope, won't download sources for nokia's non-free packages13:23
b00^wk(i know, i'm stupid)13:24
djszapiit annoyed me as well13:33
djszapiI mean they do not even show on the webpage them for browsing.13:33
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ajalkaneirc-logging for this channel has been turned off?14:23
djszapiajalkane: nope14:24
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ajalkaneah thanks... apparently turned on again. 13th day is missing from there14:28
djszapiyeah, because that time we bitched about aegis again xD14:29
b00^wkisnt nice to have I n c e p t i on14:33
djszapiofc it is not.14:34
* b00^wk smacks djszapi on the head with a big wooden bat14:34
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mgedminajalkane, yeah, povbot was gone off the face of IRC for some reason during the 13th14:42
mgedminnetstat showed me it was connected just fine14:42
mgedmindunno what happened there; netsplit?14:42
djszapimgedmin: netsplit should not cause a total loss.14:43
djszapiit would just listen to a non complete traffic.14:43
mgedminsupybot is a funny thing14:43
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djszapib00^wk: inception is for weaks :D14:54
b00^wkyea right14:54
b00^wkdisable aegis-crap-stuff, and then your contacts don't work & what else not working, right ?14:55
djszapiyou are talking to an ex-aegis-dev :p14:57
b00^wkI need to take you for a walk in the dark forest ..14:57
djszapigood, I like nature :)14:57
djszapiwe do not have enough dark here in Finland now anyway :)14:57
b00^wki will find you one here in Norway14:58
b00^wkor may be i take you for a nice fjord sightseeing, like, 900m above the sea14:58
b00^wkyou will have to beg for mercy, and wish you never developed aegis14:59
djszapiI am proud of it, as in very really. ;)14:59
b00^wkyea ok14:59
b00^wkthe best part is that it comes with Inception15:00
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djszapibeford: o/18:04
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befordhey djszapi18:05
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djszapiI wonder if Nokia made the next billion open source...18:18
djszapiyeah, it would be cool to see Qt5 and QML2 codes for this market.18:19
jreznikdjszapi: open what? :)18:26
virtualdthe next billion €? the next billion phones and tablets?18:30
ieatlintno, you misunderstand, it's the next billion in losses18:32
ieatlintwhich nokia announced today18:32
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virtualdthey announced they will make another billion in losses?18:39
virtualdthey will lose another million*18:39
ieatlintthey've announced they're spending 1bn EUR to cut 10k jobs and close three facilities, and warned their q2 report coming in a month is going to be horrible18:43
djszapijreznik: open source18:43
jreznikdjszapi: lol :)18:44
jreznikbut I'd like to see QML code18:45
jreznik(Qt Quick 2 code) - what's possible18:45
djszapiyeah, it would be nice IMO, too. That is why I mentioned.18:45
jreznikbut do you believe there's still a code to open source? :)18:45
djszapiwhat do you mean ?18:46
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Venemo_N9I'm fine, thanks :)20:14
Venemo_N9Finland is an awesome place20:14
djszapiyes, we know. :p20:14
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Venemo_N9djszapi, I can't really get used to the light, but that's my fault20:19
ZogG_N9got from army week20:19
djszapithe russian oligarchy will be happy soon. :)20:19
ZogG_N9Venemo_N9, mazal tov with n920:19
djszapiVenemo_N9: you have not been in Oulu yet20:20
ZogG_N9djszapi, why?20:20
djszapiI was there last weekend20:20
djszapiwell, basically nonstop light... :)20:20
djszapiat least we have some dark in Helsinki.20:20
djszapior dark'ish :)20:20
djszapiZogG_N9: 'cause the russian oligarchy will buy up in pieces.20:20
ZogG_N9djszapi, buy what?20:20
djszapiZogG_N9: flying saucers20:21
Venemo_N9djszapi, well, it's daylight here in the middle of the night20:21
Venemo_N9I didn't sleep well becuse of that20:22
djszapithen do not go to Oulu :p20:22
djszapiI did not notice in the "palju" it was 3-5'ish am.20:22
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Venemo_N9I didn't notice here either20:22
djszapithere is some dark'ish here.20:22
Venemo_N9maybe the only difference is that the streets were empty and the pubs full20:23
djszapiit reminds me to go home :)20:24
Venemo_N9but anyway, I can see why you like this country20:25
djszapiI am leaving it unfortunately :/20:25
ZogG_N9what cointry? finland?20:25
djszapiZogG_N9: Pakistan xD20:25
Venemo_N9djszapi, where're you going? back home?20:26
Venemo_N9new job?20:27
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djszapithere is no Qt community in there... I need to establish one.20:27
Venemo_N9I see.20:27
Venemo_N9oh, and I got a new toy :)20:27
ieatlintyou working for nokia now Venemo_N9 ?20:28
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djszapiieatlint: working for what ?20:29
Venemo_N9I'm just here for the devaamo summit20:29
ieatlintnokia, it's this weird company that speaks some made up language up north20:29
ieatlintah, cool20:30
djszapiah yeah, the devaamo thingy...20:30
djszapitoo bad I cannot be there.20:30
Venemo_N9yeah, too bad.20:30
djszapiTampere is an aweasome city. :)20:30
Venemo_N9but lots of community members are here, so that's nice20:30
ieatlintone week until the qtcs starts...20:31
* ieatlint is looking forward to that20:31
djszapiieatlint: we will not be getting next billion devices20:31
ieatlintdjszapi, i assumed not20:32
djszapito be honest, there is no product around Qt5 visibly.20:32
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ieatlinti'm not expecting any handouts20:32
djszapiI did.20:32
Venemo_N9how awful is that.20:32
djszapiwhy else would I go there ? :p20:32
Venemo_N9but anyway, I got this N9 for experimenting with Qt520:32
ieatlinthow well does qt5 work on the n9?20:33
djszapiI would say, the Qt5 Harmattan session is a must have after the today news at QtCS.20:33
djszapibut let us see what others will think.20:33
djszapiieatlint: well, qt5 is a toy yet20:33
djszapitotally unreliable for a product IMO.20:33
djszapiunsure if it is get mature after the today news.20:33
Venemo_N9haven't actually tried yet. but I know it's alpha, don't expect much20:33
djszapiVenemo_N9: it is almost beta, if not yet.20:34
djszapibut still ...20:34
Venemo_N9djszapi, beta is unreleased20:34
Venemo_N9but I see your point20:34
djszapithere is no real useful product around Qt5.20:35
ieatlintdjszapi, yeah, i know a bit on it all20:35
djszapiI am not aware of any bigger investigation (as in R&D)20:35
ieatlintand have enjoyed the pain of building qt5 many times20:35
djszapiNokia was doing that mostly.20:35
djszapioh yes, and KDAB with QNX.20:35
Venemo_N9so, what'll happen in your opinion djszapi?20:35
djszapibuilding with VS 2012 RC is fun :)20:36
djszapiVenemo_N9: well, it is part of the apocalypse anticipated by the end of this year by the maya dream team.20:36
ieatlinti'm actually sitting here in the background building a c library in a mingw32 toolchain with cmake20:36
ieatlintcan't imagine the horror of the whole qt5 base on this :P20:37
djszapiI was lolled when I asked for help on #qt-labs20:37
djszapiwith qt4 support work for a Qt5 module...20:37
djszapito be honest, I had no other choice to go for as a commercial product base.20:37
djszapiI was getting a lot of feedback like who cares about qt4 :D20:38
djszapias for me, it is working (TM)20:38
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djszapibut yeah... good point to consider Qt5 for Harmattan, otherwise it remains a desktop thingy ...20:38
npmso what does all the bad news and "Elop said that Nokia will double down on the Lumia line" mean for harmattan, meltemi, etc?20:39
djszapinext-billion: gone20:39
djszapietc: most likely gone20:40
djszapiharmattan: it had no presence anyway, so nothing new.20:40
Venemo_N9djszapi, was there going to be etc?20:40
npm^^ sound of babies crying inconsolably20:40
djszapiwell, IMO, the most reasonable question, when will Nokia go finally bankrupt :D20:40
ieatlintall rumour, but yeah, i wouldn't bet on meltemi seeing the light of day20:40
djszapiieatlint: it is not.20:40
npmif only they could keep elop from speaking, the stock price would stay high and they'd have money to pay employees.20:41
djszapiI kinda hoped for that Nokia can at least stay a hardware developmetn company.20:41
djszapibut I do not see how this company could survive at all for anything :D20:42
npmyeah but you seem to have fairly rigid viewpoints :-)20:42
djszapiindeed :)20:42
djszapipoor buying shares few years ago in the golden age ...20:43
djszapipoor people*20:43
ZogG_N9Venemo_N9, sup man20:43
npmon the other hand, consider that the bad news is preparatory for bad times in EU, and thus nobody buying any handsets. in which case the announcements of staff reductions make sense20:44
npmbut what doesn't make sense is that EU is not entire market, and NOK might have better presense in non damaged markets than others.20:45
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djszapiyou joking, right ? :)20:45
npmwho sells in india and china?20:45
djszapi"nobody buying any handsets" -> with this.20:45
npmeuropeans tend to go into full ghetto mode as soon as there's a cloud on the horizons... americans keep charging their credit cards20:46
ZogG_N9lol i'm totally ignored today20:46
ieatlintyou should take it personally20:47
djszapiieatlint: do not reply to him, just ignore :D20:47
ZogG_N9Venemo_N9, btw push irc chatter to apps for meego20:47
ZogG_N9djszapi, =)20:47
ZogG_N9djszapi, i know u love me20:48
npmnot that you can trust forbes but at least the author has a finnish sounding name20:48
djszapihaha xD20:48
djszapiunfortunately need to leave20:49
djszapihave fun to everybody :)20:49
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npmis security escorting you out of the building now and you got your box filled?20:50
* npm shakes head with grim sarcasm20:50
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Venemo_N9ZogG, i'm planning to20:53
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ashfjjfjf_Venemo_N9, ping21:06
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ashfjjfjf__Venemo_N9, irc-chatter is broken.21:06
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Venemo_N9ashfjjfjf, yep. in what way?21:07
lpappnick name change does not work21:08
lpappas you can see, it only append an underscore21:08
lpappohhh I see why...21:08
lpappcause djszapi is reserved21:08
lpappand currently used21:08
lpappperhaps you should not insert an underscore in that case.21:09
Venemo_N9what should I do in that case?21:09
lpapperror, and keep the current21:10
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Venemo_N9can't keep the current21:11
love-aegis-kidsalso, i do not see the changed nickname as a feedback either.21:11
love-aegis-kidswhy couldn't you ?21:11
Venemo_N9the server'll disconnect if I keep the same21:11
love-aegis-kidsfunky architectural issue to me...21:12
Venemo_N9anyway, the app truly needs some love.21:12
love-aegis-kidswell, my about 20 reports are still in the queue :)21:12
Venemo_N9but you can't connect with an already used nickname21:12
love-aegis-kids... and ?21:12
Venemo_N9indeed, they're in my mailbox21:12
Venemo_N9haven't forgotten21:13
Venemo_N9just not much time21:13
love-aegis-kidshave you been in the amusement park ?21:14
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Venemo_N9not yet21:17
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CreMindESHi, can someone help me with N9 and SDK Connection setup, I'm continously getting 'Connection failed: The remote host closed the connection' over WLAN from Qt SDK?22:11
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paanybody did something with python and qbluetooth?22:12
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cremindesI trying to set up the connection between my N9 and Qt SDK over Wifi, but I'm getting 'Connection failed: The remote host closed the connection' message when trying to deploy the key. Developer mode on, VNC runnig, ip is the same, ip, port 5900, same at USB except that it got the ip23:08
cremindesCan somebody help me with this?23:08
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cremindesit's okay now23:29
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pai tried to compile and install on the N9 the bluetooth scanner (widget version) demo application23:34
pabut why does it have the non very mobile UI, also with wrong orientation?23:35
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paand i cant even close it23:36
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pabut is it actually possible to have a standard widget app  on N9 that looks and feels like a mobile app?23:58
paor MUST it be qtquick?23:58
ieatlintstandard widget app? no23:58
ieatlintgenerally, you must use qml, but the exception is that there are libmeegotouchframework (aka libmtf) widgets23:59
paso i must make it in qtquick, right?23:59
paah ok23:59
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