| mankeli | no 1.3 | 00:00 |
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| RST38h | Is it only me, or are RSS updates not working in thelatest firmware? | 00:01 |
| mankeli | works for me | 00:02 |
| RST38h | n9or n950? | 00:02 |
| mankeli | n9 | 00:02 |
| arcean | for me also, n950 + final 1.2 | 00:03 |
| ajalkane | n9 1.2 final, n950 1.2 beta... working fine | 00:04 |
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| ZogG_laptop | some idiot gave advice on forum to make tracker-control -r and than added that it removes contacts and msgs | 00:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | you say those things before | 00:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | sometimes i hate some people on TMO just blahbing =) | 00:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | nice music player segfaults =) | 00:19 |
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| ZogG_laptop | does backup deletes new contacts? | 00:36 |
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| ajalkane | ZogG_laptop: backup does not delete. Restoring howerer... don't know. Restoring has been quite troublesome for me when trying to migrate to newer PR. | 00:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | restoring of backups taken with older PR aren't generally supposed to work | 01:01 |
| ieatlint | which is pretty funny when you're supposed to do a backup before upgrading | 01:02 |
| ajalkane | Funny is what funny does. Yay, I'm funny! | 01:03 |
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| ieatlint | and we all appreciate it | 01:05 |
| ajalkane | TMO should have "funny is what funny does" device program. Then I could apply based on my habit of backupping before new PR and trying restore - only to fail. | 01:10 |
| ajalkane | But I have to go sleeping now, or I'm gonna fail being funny tomorrow. | 01:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: ajalkane, restore worked but it was made on 11/11/11 (nice date) . So most settings and most contacts are gone and few msgs with important data are gone, thanks to idiot who post advice and only after few lines telling it might delete msgs and contacs | 01:28 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | my god this qt4 build is FINALLY finished | 02:35 |
| Sazpaimon_ | now to dpkg -i *git20120125*.deb | 02:36 |
| ieatlint | everyone loves webkit | 02:36 |
| ieatlint | i blame kde. | 02:36 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i blame google | 02:36 |
| ieatlint | google was late to the party, don't see how it's their fault | 02:36 |
| Sazpaimon_ | doesn't matter, blame google | 02:37 |
| ieatlint | i blame the pope | 02:37 |
| ieatlint | he had the divine power to stop it, and did nothing | 02:37 |
| Sazpaimon_ | nokia also used webkit in symbian for years | 02:38 |
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| ieatlint | so we'll agree to blame nokia? | 02:40 |
| Enforcer | safari used webkit before nokia iirc | 02:42 |
| Enforcer | but kde was the original user of webkit (khtml) | 02:42 |
| ljp | I blame El Niño | 02:43 |
| ieatlint | yeah, well, there's opera, gecko and IE... and everything else is webkit, so plenty of companies to blame | 02:43 |
| Enforcer | nokia didnt start using webkit till s60v3? | 02:45 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i thought v2 still used webkit | 02:46 |
| ieatlint | oh god, what have i started | 02:46 |
| Enforcer | my v0.9 doesnt have webkit iirc | 02:47 |
| ieatlint | i though the iphone was the first phone to actually have a real browser though | 02:47 |
| Enforcer | my v2 is a siemens, and i cant remember | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I had a browser on my neo1973 | 02:47 |
| Enforcer | 7710 had opera | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | i forget what it was. | 02:47 |
| Sazpaimon_ | you're right Enforcer, webkit didn't happen until 2005 | 02:47 |
| ieatlint | SpeedEvil: but did it have anything resembling a reliable gsm connection, let alone gprs? | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | GPRS was quite reliable. | 02:48 |
| Enforcer | browser in 7710 had flash | 02:48 |
| Enforcer | good ol flash6 | 02:48 |
| ieatlint | gprs was difficult enough on the freerunner, i'm suprised it worked at all on the 1973 | 02:49 |
| Sazpaimon_ | most symbian phones had flash | 02:49 |
| Sazpaimon_ | well, flash lite | 02:49 |
| Enforcer | flash lite | 02:49 |
| ieatlint | i remember the trouble people had in getting it to "kinda" make a phone call | 02:49 |
| Enforcer | 7710 had full flash 6 | 02:49 |
| Sazpaimon_ | well 7710 was an odd creature anyway | 02:49 |
| Sazpaimon_ | series 90 was basically maemo for symbian before maemo was a thing | 02:50 |
| tehdely | my E61 had a webkit browser in 2006 | 02:50 |
| tehdely | that phone was a beast | 02:50 |
| Enforcer | e61 is s60v3 | 02:50 |
| tehdely | yep | 02:50 |
| tehdely | the browser on my N9 is quite nice btw | 02:50 |
| Sazpaimon_ | are you trolling? | 02:50 |
| ieatlint | i had an n80 in 2006.. was awesome | 02:50 |
| tehdely | no i really do have an N9 | 02:50 |
| tehdely | i am stroking it right now | 02:50 |
| tehdely | it's the white one | 02:50 |
| Sazpaimon_ | my first and only symbian phone was an E71 | 02:51 |
| Enforcer | the browser in my 7710 is quite nice btw :P | 02:51 |
| tehdely | i went E61 -> E71 -> E72 -> C6-01 -> N9 | 02:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | probably one of the best phones ive ever owned | 02:51 |
| tehdely | i hvae a long-term abusive relationship with Nokia | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | zecke worked on webkit for OM | 02:51 |
| tehdely | if they ever start treating me well i might leave them for a competitor | 02:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | moreso than any maemo device | 02:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i say that because the E71 was truly a smart PHONE | 02:51 |
| Enforcer | my s60v0.9 phone has a broken power button and broken bluetooth | 02:51 |
| tehdely | also there was an N97 in there for a bit | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | o/ SpeedEvil, btw | 02:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | N900 and N9 are smart, but not so much phones | 02:52 |
| tehdely | N9 is a damn good phone | 02:52 |
| ieatlint | tehdely: don't worry, you'll get a wp7 device soon and feel abused | 02:52 |
| tehdely | it was meant to be their mass market device | 02:52 |
| tehdely | not a geek toy | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I know I used lynx on it :) | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but a phone | 02:52 |
| tehdely | the fact that it's even rootable is remarkable | 02:52 |
| Sazpaimon_ | tehdely, still doesn't beat my E71 | 02:52 |
| tehdely | Sazpaimon_: my E71 was a real pocket rocket | 02:52 |
| tehdely | but i replaced it with an E72 | 02:52 |
| tehdely | which was nothing but pain until like the 4th firmware update | 02:52 |
| tehdely | G-d they shipped that thing so buggy | 02:52 |
| Sazpaimon_ | if I didn't get an N900, I would have gotten an E73 from t-mobile | 02:52 |
| ieatlint | note "pocket rocket" sounds bad | 02:52 |
| ieatlint | don't offer to show it to people, etc | 02:53 |
| tehdely | heh | 02:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i was seriously torn between those two devices | 02:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | ended up getting the N900 on a coin ttoss | 02:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | *toss | 02:53 |
| tehdely | have you played with an N9 | 02:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i own an N9 | 02:53 |
| tehdely | ah :) | 02:53 |
| tehdely | oh wait | 02:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | still doesnt beat my E71 | 02:53 |
| tehdely | i though ti was in | 02:53 |
| tehdely | my other channel | 02:53 |
| tehdely | i was like: "wow, found another N9 user... what are the odds!' | 02:53 |
| tehdely | and then i realized i'm in #harmattan | 02:54 |
| tehdely | i'm REALLY sleepy | 02:54 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yeah no N9 users here | 02:54 |
| ieatlint | shit, i thought i was in #wp7 | 02:54 |
| tehdely | nice to see someone who came over from Symbian at least | 02:54 |
| Enforcer | GH 688 > 8310 > 7650 > SX1 > 7710 > N82 > N900 > N9 | 02:54 |
| tehdely | E61 was my first smartphone. | 02:54 |
| tehdely | but i can proudly say i've used S60 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2 devices, as well as S605 and Symbian^3 and MeeGo | 02:55 |
| Enforcer | 7710, n900 and n9 complete my collection of stillborn nokias? | 02:55 |
| tehdely | i've used baiscally everything except Maemo | 02:55 |
| Sazpaimon_ | before the E71 I was going to get the E70 | 02:55 |
| tehdely | and Series 80/90 | 02:55 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but i saw the E71 at best buy and had to get it | 02:55 |
| Sazpaimon_ | back when best buy sold unlocked phones | 02:55 |
| tehdely | best buy had this offshoot for a while | 02:55 |
| tehdely | that sold more obscure geeky toys and imports | 02:55 |
| tehdely | i actually bought my E61 from them | 02:56 |
| tehdely | can't remember the name of the store now, it was a failed experiment | 02:56 |
| tehdely | but i bought my E71 / E72 from mobilecityonline | 02:56 |
| tehdely | C6-01 was actually direct from Nokia, when they still had a US store | 02:56 |
| tehdely | and the N9 was some importer in Fresno, heh | 02:56 |
| Enforcer | you really didnt have choice for n9 | 02:56 |
| Enforcer | import or dont buy :P | 02:56 |
| tehdely | i was gonna have a friend in finland buy it at verkkokauppa | 02:56 |
| tehdely | but i realized that shipping it would've added like $100 to the price | 02:57 |
| Sazpaimon_ | okay so why doesn't this qt4-dev package have QFormBuilder? | 02:57 |
| Enforcer | something like shipito.com then? | 02:57 |
| Sazpaimon_ | am I missing something? | 02:57 |
| tehdely | Enforcer: except in the other direction | 02:58 |
| tehdely | plus, VAT would've been a killer | 02:58 |
| Enforcer | no VAT for exports iirc | 02:58 |
| tehdely | it would've been tough to prove, with the way i wanted to buy it | 02:59 |
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| Enforcer | hmm, forgot i had a 5110 before my 8310... | 03:00 |
| ieatlint | and now people in the US see my n9 and think it's a lumia 900 | 03:00 |
| Enforcer | i saw n9 and 800 side by side in a store here | 03:01 |
| ieatlint | and when i tell them it's not, half the time i get a look like i'm an idiot | 03:01 |
| tehdely | you have to get really offended | 03:01 |
| tehdely | i have a whole line ready for that situation | 03:01 |
| tehdely | but i've never gotten to use it | 03:01 |
| tehdely | because as far as i can tell, noone here knows what a lumia is either | 03:01 |
| tehdely | i live in the iPhone capitol of the known universe | 03:01 |
| ieatlint | last year was funnier, when people would ask me what it was i just told them the iphone 5 | 03:01 |
| Enforcer | n9 was free on a plan $10/m cheaper than the 800 | 03:01 |
| tehdely | ieatlint: good one | 03:02 |
| tehdely | my plan has been to say 'THIS AIN'T NO DAMN LUMIA, SON' | 03:02 |
| tehdely | but like i said | 03:02 |
| tehdely | nobody's asked | 03:02 |
| Enforcer | i couldnt get close, cause the store idiot was trying to get someone to buy an 800 | 03:02 |
| ieatlint | where do you think the iphone capitol is? | 03:02 |
| tehdely | i need to wear a sign around my neck that says ASK ME ABOUT MY OBSCURE IMPORTED PHONE RUNNING A STILLBORN ALTERNATIVE LINUX-BASED PLATFORM | 03:02 |
| ieatlint | haha | 03:02 |
| ieatlint | that's not at all hipster | 03:02 |
| Enforcer | needs more caps | 03:02 |
| ieatlint | "you probably haven't heard of my phone.." | 03:03 |
| tehdely | i did have a moment of N9 recognition the other night, where someone was ooing and aahing and wanting to play with it | 03:03 |
| tehdely | but he was severely geeky | 03:03 |
| ieatlint | tehdely: so where are you then? | 03:03 |
| tehdely | san francisco, natch | 03:03 |
| ieatlint | haha | 03:03 |
| ieatlint | me too | 03:04 |
| tehdely | i actually did use the hipster line on someone | 03:04 |
| tehdely | some guy at a bus stop thought it was pretty and asked what it was and i said | 03:04 |
| tehdely | "It's pretty obscure. You probably haven't heard of it" | 03:04 |
| tehdely | and winked | 03:04 |
| tehdely | assuming he'd get the joke | 03:04 |
| tehdely | no, he didn't | 03:04 |
| Enforcer | he thought you were trying to hit on him? | 03:04 |
| tehdely | that or he just thought i was a douchebag | 03:04 |
| ieatlint | were you in the mission? | 03:05 |
| * Enforcer wonders how much work he can avoid today | 03:05 | |
| tehdely | no, way out in the richmond | 03:05 |
| tehdely | he had a pretty hipster beard though | 03:05 |
| * ieatlint likes the richmond | 03:06 | |
| ieatlint | decent bars | 03:06 |
| tehdely | i like the avenues, period. quiet, foggy, kinda mysterious. | 03:06 |
| tehdely | plus you can surf | 03:06 |
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| ieatlint | btw, you may be interested to know that there's a nextbus app in the ovi store now :P | 03:07 |
| ieatlint | (self-plug and all) | 03:07 |
| tehdely | i picked up that while googling your nick ;) | 03:07 |
| tehdely | although Nokia did finally release Public Transit | 03:07 |
| tehdely | i really missed that from S^3 | 03:07 |
| ieatlint | yeah, which isn't based on live estimates | 03:07 |
| ieatlint | and trying to follow muni's schedule is a joke | 03:07 |
| tehdely | i did not know that | 03:07 |
| tehdely | muni has a schedule? | 03:07 |
| ieatlint | haha, kinda | 03:08 |
| tehdely | i'm convinced the tunnel ATCS is basically random | 03:08 |
| tehdely | it gets a train in the turnaround and goes | 03:08 |
| tehdely | "ah, what the fuck. i'm gonna make you an L L" | 03:08 |
| tehdely | "ah shit, i'll make you one, too" | 03:08 |
| tehdely | "here, have another L L on me" | 03:08 |
| ieatlint | never take muni metro in the downtown corridor | 03:08 |
| ieatlint | might as well walk | 03:08 |
| tehdely | i only take muni if my bike's in the shop | 03:08 |
| ieatlint | but yeah, i know what you mean, you see L or K go by constantly, but heaven forbid an N or a J | 03:09 |
| tehdely | you know the ATCS is some proprietary Alcatel garbage | 03:09 |
| tehdely | running on OS/2 1.x | 03:09 |
| tehdely | on a 386 | 03:09 |
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| ieatlint | i believe it | 03:09 |
| tehdely | wonder how much Foie Gras they had to feed willie brown to land that contract | 03:09 |
| ieatlint | i remember reading how they detect trains in the tunnel based on an IR beam going across the tracks and counting the axels | 03:10 |
| ieatlint | whole thing makes bart look good | 03:10 |
| tehdely | have you ever looked inside the driver's cab when he enters the tunnel | 03:10 |
| tehdely | he has to move in, pause while ATCS recognizes him | 03:10 |
| tehdely | then ATCS offers to take control | 03:10 |
| * SpeedEvil thinks of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Foley . | 03:10 | |
| tehdely | then he acknowledges | 03:10 |
| tehdely | and from that point forward he can read the newspaper or nap | 03:10 |
| tehdely | it's kinda neat to watch | 03:10 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i've gotten stuck on the embarcadero waiting for that before entering the tunnel too many times | 03:11 |
| tehdely | BART doesn't need any help looking good. it's awesome. their decision to go with a non-standard rail gauge is pretty boneheaded but other than that it's bad-ass | 03:11 |
| ieatlint | pretty much... stupidest decision they made | 03:11 |
| ieatlint | custom fucking chassis.. | 03:11 |
| tehdely | i've heard varying explanations | 03:11 |
| tehdely | some are more interesting, some are more nefarious | 03:12 |
| tehdely | most believable one is "Because it allowed Bechtel to make more money" | 03:12 |
| tehdely | other explanations were: "because they were originally going to run on the GGB, and a wider gauge would make for more stable trains in heavy wind" | 03:13 |
| tehdely | and "to serve as a poison pill in case of a hostile take-over of the BART system by the Southern Pacific" | 03:13 |
| tehdely | #3 is kinda interesting. someone in MUNI told me that | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Skytran in principle looks interesting. | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.skytran.net/phpsite/home/home.html | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Packet switched single person pods on maglev rails strung on light-pole type poles. | 03:15 |
| tehdely | images of Minority Report... | 03:15 |
| ieatlint | hah, the GGB route was eliminated before they got too far to back out of a guage spec | 03:15 |
| ieatlint | i was always just told it was done to create wider cars and more stability, including in part for earthquake safety | 03:16 |
| tehdely | i like how they chose an Indian rail gauge | 03:16 |
| tehdely | shoulda gone Soviet if they were gonna go broad-gauge | 03:16 |
| ieatlint | i was unaware it actually even matched an existing rail guage | 03:17 |
| tehdely | In India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, a gauge of 5 ft 6 in (1,676 mm) is widespread. This is also used by the Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) system of the San Francisco Bay Area. | 03:17 |
| tehdely | says wikipedia | 03:17 |
| tehdely | i think we should adopt more practices from the subcontinent | 03:18 |
| tehdely | like having people ride on top of the trains | 03:18 |
| tehdely | could probably help with BART's capacity issues | 03:18 |
| ieatlint | yeah, and i'll start programming like an indian software dev | 03:18 |
| * ieatlint is sure his employer will be pleased with this | 03:19 | |
| tehdely | i work at a java shop | 03:19 |
| tehdely | everyone here already is | 03:19 |
| ieatlint | i do qt | 03:20 |
| ieatlint | get to work from home most of the time | 03:21 |
| tehdely | i do sh/perl and don't have to shave | 03:21 |
| tehdely | it's nice being the linux guy | 03:21 |
| tehdely | i also make sure to keep my personality just grating enough that people don't bother me | 03:21 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i know your type :P | 03:21 |
| tehdely | anyhow time to head home | 03:22 |
| tehdely | i've been up since 4 | 03:22 |
| tehdely | i got 0 work done today. braindead | 03:22 |
| ieatlint | enjoy muni | 03:22 |
| tehdely | i'm cyclin | 03:22 |
| * tehdely & | 03:23 | |
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| itsnotabigtruck | what's up | 04:42 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: everything is bad =) | 05:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: do you use mfe? | 05:13 |
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| ZogG_laptop | it keeps deleting contacts and than re-adding them it's awkward | 05:13 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: no, i don't | 05:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no idea what to do there | 05:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok managed it | 05:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | but still it's awfull how it sync calendars | 05:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's like i need to re-enter birthdays again | 05:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | why it doesn't sync? | 05:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | damnit | 05:24 |
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| ZogG_laptop | motherfucker | 05:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | because of that F$$%CEGGCDR person i lost contacts and now mfe decided to sync contacts but to delete the phone numbers | 05:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | now i need to restore back | 05:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | daaaamn | 05:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | couldn't they manage at least that nokia suite would work | 05:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | i wouldn't say what i wish elop right now | 05:51 |
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| truncked | Hi... i've been trying to flash my N9... but it's not working | 06:56 |
| truncked | it's telling me X-Loader image is too big | 06:56 |
| truncked | anyone faced this before ? | 06:56 |
| truncked | seems so silent over here :) | 06:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | too early | 07:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | people are sleepy | 07:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~flashing | 07:17 |
| infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing_N9 | 07:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | that all i know ^ | 07:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | never flashed | 07:17 |
| beford | wtf | 07:18 |
| beford | you are using flasher 3.5 ? | 07:18 |
| beford | read the guide | 07:18 |
| beford | that is for n900 | 07:18 |
| beford | Go to the Flasher download site and download/install the version for your operating system (WinFlasher_3.12.1.exe, MacFlasher_3.12.1.dmg, flasher_3.12.1_i386.deb, or flasher_3.12.1_amd64.deb). Do not use Flasher 3.5 - it isn't compatible with the N9/N950. You can skip this step if you've already installed Flasher. | 07:18 |
| beford | its right there | 07:19 |
| beford | truncked ^ | 07:19 |
| truncked | ufffff... | 07:20 |
| truncked | beford: ... sorry.. | 07:20 |
| truncked | but you know... i am running pclinuxos.. and didn't want to install .deb... | 07:20 |
| truncked | silly me | 07:20 |
| truncked | let me sort it out... | 07:20 |
| truncked | thanks so much | 07:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | truncked: compile it =P | 07:21 |
| truncked | :) I don't know what is "compile it"... am not very expert... | 07:22 |
| truncked | i will use alien | 07:22 |
| beford | i think you can just extract it | 07:22 |
| truncked | i hope so | 07:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | if it's binary and no libs inside yes - but otherwise not quite sure | 07:23 |
| beford | yea, flasher 3-5 was a static binary, wasnt it? | 07:24 |
| truncked | ok... i extracted it... | 07:24 |
| truncked | now problems unable to enumerate usb buses... | 07:25 |
| truncked | i faced the same earlier when i was using flasher 35 | 07:25 |
| beford | need to flash my n900 is getting really slow | 07:25 |
| beford | mm | 07:25 |
| truncked | ufffffffffff.. beford... unable to enumerate usb buses ! | 07:26 |
| truncked | ZogG_laptop: any help ? | 07:26 |
| beford | yes I'm checking on google | 07:26 |
| beford | I have no idea | 07:26 |
| beford | I used flasher on windows | 07:26 |
| beford | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41789 | 07:27 |
| truncked | it says, suitable usb interface phonet not found | 07:27 |
| beford | are you runing on x86_64 the 32bit binary? | 07:27 |
| beford | I mean did you download the correct architecture | 07:28 |
| truncked | yes.. of course.. please let me reboot my pc.. coz i have been trying million things | 07:28 |
| beford | try that | 07:28 |
| beford | blacklist | 07:28 |
| truncked | ok | 07:28 |
| truncked | i'll be back | 07:29 |
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| heymaster | WHy don't see native harmattan components using QtCreator (using cpp) ? | 07:32 |
| beford | "Design" mode? | 07:35 |
| beford | that never has worked afaik | 07:35 |
| heymaster | beford: on Simulator | 07:38 |
| beford | oh | 07:38 |
| beford | I have no idea then sorry | 07:38 |
| heymaster | beford: http://cl.ly/2T1L3T1Q3d0E3C0o2k2t just look | 07:40 |
| beford | i see the pushbutton there | 07:42 |
| heymaster | beford: why i don't see harmattan styled button ? | 07:43 |
| heymaster | beford: do you recomend to use Qt Quick ? | 07:48 |
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| beford | that's the only thing i have used | 07:51 |
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| heymaster | beford: ok, thanks | 07:52 |
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| truncked | am back | 07:55 |
| truncked | with only sad news | 07:55 |
| truncked | beford: .. still around ? | 07:55 |
| truncked | please check | 07:55 |
| truncked | http://pastebin.com/dDdLTF1U | 07:55 |
| truncked | error in flashing .. ufff | 07:55 |
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| beford | rootfs failed | 07:56 |
| truncked | I don't know... i think i destroyed the device | 07:56 |
| truncked | did you check pastebin ? | 07:56 |
| beford | yes | 07:56 |
| beford | it says it failed flashing rootfs | 07:56 |
| beford | hold on | 07:57 |
| truncked | ok | 07:57 |
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| beford | did you have lock enabled? | 08:00 |
| beford | or something like that | 08:00 |
| beford | mfe acounts ? | 08:00 |
| truncked | yes | 08:00 |
| truncked | i use phonelock to protect my privacy | 08:01 |
| truncked | so, whenever i want to start it.. i have to put the password | 08:01 |
| truncked | how can i bypass this ? | 08:01 |
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| truncked | any hope beford ?? | 08:06 |
| beford | yea | 08:07 |
| beford | but you will lose | 08:07 |
| beford | the emmc data | 08:07 |
| beford | apparently | 08:07 |
| truncked | i don't care ... as long as i can make the phone start again | 08:07 |
| truncked | i don't know where to get emmc.bin | 08:08 |
| truncked | by the way | 08:08 |
| beford | let me check something from the firmware files I sued | 08:09 |
| beford | used*- | 08:09 |
| truncked | ok | 08:09 |
| truncked | Just.. tell me how to make it factory reset... like i've just bought it... please | 08:10 |
| beford | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83350 | 08:11 |
| truncked | I didn't sleep yet.. and i have a tough day at work :)... and i need to call.. hehe | 08:11 |
| beford | seems like the same issue | 08:11 |
| beford | lets see if he got it sorted out | 08:11 |
| beford | he tried to flash a different variant | 08:16 |
| beford | you checked the product number to download the firmware, right? | 08:16 |
| truncked | i didn't do that... my phone just stopped yesterday.. and i got the variant according to the number on the sim chip holder | 08:16 |
| truncked | and it's true coz i know it's cyan... from the country .. | 08:16 |
| truncked | you know.. | 08:16 |
| truncked | i am sure i didn't do a mistake in that | 08:16 |
| beford | yea, if you checked the sim tray holder then its ok | 08:17 |
| truncked | how do i get the emmc bin ? | 08:17 |
| truncked | where is it ? | 08:17 |
| beford | navifirm | 08:17 |
| beford | its on the flashing guide | 08:17 |
| truncked | it was not in the same place of the main.bin | 08:17 |
| truncked | beford: if i should flash emmc data... please tell me how to locate the bin file... | 08:20 |
| beford | did you get navifirm? | 08:21 |
| truncked | yes | 08:22 |
| truncked | that's how i got the firmware... | 08:22 |
| truncked | main.bin | 08:22 |
| truncked | but there was only six files to download... | 08:22 |
| truncked | and none of them is emmc | 08:22 |
| truncked | DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1.427.1_PR_LEGACY_427_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin | 08:24 |
| truncked | RM696_059M598_30.2012.07.1_003.dcp | 08:24 |
| truncked | RM696_059M598_30.2012.07.1_003_signature.bin | 08:24 |
| truncked | RM696_059M598_30.2012.07.1_003.vpl | 08:24 |
| truncked | simlock_maemo__deB_allowed2_3gstandard_bb5_multi_asic0.bin | 08:24 |
| truncked | simlock_maemo__deB_allowed2_3gstandard_bb5_multi_asic1.bin | 08:24 |
| truncked | that's all the files related to my device | 08:24 |
| jonni | you need to use care server for getting the emmc | 08:26 |
| truncked | how do i do that jonni please? | 08:26 |
| jonni | default server doesnt list emmc images | 08:26 |
| truncked | can you paste a link please | 08:26 |
| jonni | its an option in the ui to change the server? | 08:26 |
| beford | hey jonni, _signed.bin at the end means the device is sim locked or something? | 08:27 |
| jonni | no, it just mean that bin file is signed with nokia key | 08:27 |
| truncked | the device was not sim-locked | 08:27 |
| beford | ah ok | 08:27 |
| truncked | i just had password on the device.. and i couldn't start the device to remove the password before attempting to flash it | 08:28 |
| truncked | i think that is the problem | 08:28 |
| jonni | truncked: and if you read the flashing faq you would know howto bypass that | 08:29 |
| truncked | jonni: a little tip would be very great from you.. please | 08:30 |
| jonni | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 post number #1 | 08:30 |
| truncked | jonni... i tried the care server.. no emmc image as well | 08:31 |
| jonni | well and you really dont need emmc image unless you fucked you you MyDocs dir | 08:31 |
| jonni | flasher -f -F main.bin --erase-user-data=secure | 08:32 |
| jonni | thats all you need to nuke the password | 08:33 |
| truncked | let me try that... | 08:33 |
| jonni | that command will take some 10-15 minutes to run, so be patient | 08:34 |
| truncked | ok.. but did you read my pastebin earlier ? | 08:34 |
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| truncked | http://pastebin.com/dDdLTF1U | 08:35 |
| jonni | that mostly looks like bad usb2 port, or broken flash memory. | 08:36 |
| jonni | but erase userdata might solve the problem as erase might mark bad blocks for not to be used list. | 08:38 |
| jonni | second question is that if you had ssu'ed your pr1.2 then the flashing might fail for downgrade problem, but as that paste doesnt say downgrade errormessage, then thats not the case. | 08:39 |
| jonni | oh or your .bin file has been corrupted on download, one thing to test is to redownload it | 08:41 |
| jonni | as similar kind of rootfs write error comes if there is some byte off by one in the .bin image, and crc checksum does not match | 08:41 |
| truncked | how can i checksum the bin image ? | 08:44 |
| truncked | now it's erasing... so far.. good | 08:44 |
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| truncked | jonni: | 08:55 |
| truncked | http://pastebin.com/aNTnqY9i | 08:55 |
| truncked | error again | 08:55 |
| truncked | i feel it's the downloaded file | 08:55 |
| truncked | please.. how can i check if it's corrupt ? | 08:55 |
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| truncked | beford: .. still around ? any input ? | 08:56 |
| truncked | please ? | 08:56 |
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| truncked | jonni: , beford ... what are my options now ? | 08:59 |
| jonni | well md5 checksum if you happen to know the checksum, or just redownload | 09:02 |
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| jonni | if a valid bin fails to flash and there is no downgrade error, then your flash memory is just broken, and you need to bring your device to nokia care for warranty replacement | 09:03 |
| jonni | (ofcourse you might want to try to flash with another machine, if your linux machines usb port just is messing up) | 09:04 |
| jonni | top3 reasons without any order are, bad usb port/kernel combination, crc error on bin, or broken flash memory. | 09:05 |
| truncked | but why would my flash memory get broken ? | 09:05 |
| truncked | should i try another usb you mean ? | 09:05 |
| jonni | flash memory breaks by design after enough writes to the device. | 09:05 |
| truncked | it might work ? | 09:05 |
| jonni | yes sometimes flashing is successfull from different usb port, or different machine with better usb port | 09:06 |
| truncked | what if i boot my pc with another os (from live usb) | 09:06 |
| jonni | and never use usb hubs as flashing with those fails for sure | 09:06 |
| truncked | is it worth to try > | 09:06 |
| truncked | ? | 09:06 |
| jonni | well if your lucky changing the kernel might help, but usually changing the machine, or trying with friends PC helps even more. | 09:07 |
| jonni | (ofcourse if you have successfully flashed before with the same os and usb port then it doesnt explain it) | 09:07 |
| truncked | i've never flashed in my life before | 09:08 |
| truncked | :) | 09:08 |
| jonni | but if this is your 1st time flashing then the port or cable might just be fuxored | 09:08 |
| truncked | can i try another usb cable >? | 09:08 |
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| truncked | is it standard one ? or special / | 09:08 |
| truncked | > | 09:08 |
| jonni | its standard microusb, so any microusb will do | 09:08 |
| truncked | pleaes, let me tell you.. all my problems started with a flickering screen yesterday.. and it just went off... | 09:09 |
| truncked | that's why i wnt to flash now | 09:09 |
| truncked | i am not able to strt the phone | 09:09 |
| jonni | and you havent been overclocking or anything? | 09:09 |
| truncked | no | 09:09 |
| truncked | what is overclocking ? | 09:09 |
| truncked | by the way | 09:09 |
| truncked | maybe i was doing it un-knowingly | 09:10 |
| jonni | heh you cannot oc unknowningly, so dont worry | 09:10 |
| truncked | ok | 09:10 |
| truncked | do you think it might be a problem in the screen ? | 09:11 |
| jonni | if your unlucky your flash just is broken and that caused ypur phone to went off. | 09:11 |
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| truncked | mmmmmmmmm | 09:11 |
| truncked | and i am in africa now | 09:12 |
| truncked | i have to wait for two months before i can claim anything to nokia support | 09:12 |
| truncked | thank you jonni for your time | 09:13 |
| truncked | cheers | 09:13 |
| truncked | thanks beford ... | 09:13 |
| truncked | bye all | 09:13 |
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| jonni | just checked your imei from the paste, that device still has factory warranty, so might be just easier for you to take the device to nokia care. | 09:14 |
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| djszapi | Stecchino: hey, have you tried crypto++ ? | 09:37 |
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| truncked | am back.. | 12:14 |
| truncked | jonni: still around ? | 12:14 |
| truncked | there are news... | 12:14 |
| jonni | yep? | 12:15 |
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| truncked | i used windows.. and if flashed... | 12:15 |
| truncked | two times, it didn't start.. third time.. it started | 12:15 |
| truncked | i fixed everything... | 12:15 |
| truncked | then.. after like 10 minutes... | 12:15 |
| truncked | same problem again | 12:15 |
| jonni | so what kind of problem? and did you install any softwares? | 12:16 |
| truncked | so, the file is correct.. and it flashed correctly (once)... | 12:16 |
| truncked | and the phone worked.. | 12:16 |
| truncked | but when i tried flasher -R | 12:16 |
| truncked | it made error.. but still the phone worked | 12:16 |
| jonni | -R does not modify the phone, so its ok | 12:16 |
| truncked | but unfortunately, 10 minutes later.. the phone fell in the same problem... without even making a single phonecall | 12:17 |
| jonni | define problem, please? | 12:17 |
| jonni | fell in the ground? :) | 12:17 |
| truncked | jonni: i didn't do anything... the phone cannot start | 12:18 |
| truncked | it just vibrates.. and the light goes off | 12:18 |
| truncked | it cannot boot | 12:18 |
| truncked | i was so happy when it worked.. | 12:18 |
| truncked | :( | 12:18 |
| truncked | no | 12:18 |
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| truncked | believe me.. nothing | 12:18 |
| truncked | just went off.. by itself.. | 12:18 |
| jonni | then its most likely broken flash or memory. | 12:18 |
| truncked | should i drop it to the ground ?? might it help ? | 12:18 |
| truncked | :P | 12:18 |
| truncked | :D | 12:18 |
| jonni | just checked your imei from the paste, that device still has factory warranty, so might be just easier for you to take the device to nokia care. | 12:18 |
| truncked | jonni: do you think resetting emmc would make any difference ? | 12:18 |
| jonni | emmc will not many any difference | 12:19 |
| truncked | so... being in Africa.. can i submit it here to nokia care ? | 12:20 |
| jonni | and have you tried the long powerbutton? like pressing it 20-30seconds untill it vibrates? | 12:20 |
| truncked | or should i wait till i travel back to my country |/ | 12:20 |
| truncked | ?? | 12:20 |
| truncked | there is longer than 8 seconds ????? | 12:21 |
| jonni | well you can always try, care will tell if they accept it in that country or not. | 12:22 |
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| truncked | tried one minute even | 12:22 |
| truncked | nothing | 12:22 |
| truncked | the thing is dead | 12:22 |
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| jonni | atleast care would accept that device in finland | 12:22 |
| truncked | it just vibrates after few seconds... and shuts off | 12:22 |
| truncked | :) | 12:22 |
| truncked | i must go to finland ? | 12:23 |
| truncked | :D | 12:23 |
| jonni | heh, no, I was just saying that if you would have been traveling in finland, the care would have accepted it. I didnt check african care :) | 12:23 |
| jonni | I only checked the imei against finnish care | 12:24 |
| truncked | can you check in africa ?? i cannot open any page on my browser... very slow.. | 12:25 |
| truncked | i am in ghana | 12:25 |
| jonni | dont remember, you can sheck nokiacom troubleshootin page if there is imei checker for ghana | 12:26 |
| jonni | check even | 12:26 |
| truncked | jonni: ??? | 12:29 |
| jonni | truncked: nokia.com pages have imei warranty checker | 12:30 |
| truncked | that's the problem :D... my connection is very slow... | 12:31 |
| truncked | i cannot open nokia.com | 12:31 |
| jonni | then your out of luck | 12:31 |
| truncked | i don't know how many GB that webpage is :P | 12:31 |
| jonni | better just to search nokia care point and let them check :) | 12:31 |
| jonni | or wait untill you return to civilization | 12:32 |
| truncked | hehehehe... jonni, if you know where i am now, you will just laugh... i am in a jungle, browsing on my other phone, connected to my laptop.. and 3g is in fact... E hehehe | 12:32 |
| truncked | i barely have shade to sit under.. | 12:32 |
| truncked | exploring the nature. | 12:32 |
| truncked | if you can browse it for me, and help me to find a phone number.. i would call them by phone :) | 12:33 |
| truncked | but also, then i would be very lucky.. right ? | 12:33 |
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| mps | Ghana 00233303210000 08:00 - 17:00 Mon - Sat English Local Charge | 12:41 |
| mps | oh, he left :/ | 12:42 |
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| ArkanoiD_ | are there any techniques to find the source of excessive bettery drain? 100-270mA in idle mode :-/ | 12:45 |
| deram | ssh in and see what is using most cpu with 'top' | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | ArkanoiD_: Use the power analyzer? | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | Ehm 'Battery usage' | 12:47 |
| ArkanoiD_ | haha | 12:47 |
| ArkanoiD_ | funny joke | 12:47 |
| ArkanoiD_ | it calls the source of the drain "device idle" | 12:47 |
| ArkanoiD_ | very "informative" | 12:47 |
| X-Fade | Hmm then it is some background process, annoying. | 12:48 |
| deram | those type of numbers have been seen with tracker consuming 100% cputime | 12:50 |
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| ArkanoiD_ | top does not show anything suspicious | 12:54 |
| ArkanoiD_ | seems like there is some process that prevents the phone from doing proper power saving | 12:55 |
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| Khertan | Morning | 13:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | morning | 13:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup | 13:13 |
| djszapi | welcome sup | 13:14 |
| Kozzi | hi, where to get QML viewer ? | 13:15 |
| Kozzi | I can't find it in QTDIR\ | 13:15 |
| Kozzi | I don't even have bin folder there | 13:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi: you don't need it =) | 13:15 |
| Kozzi | eh, would like to use to try out qml files I created | 13:16 |
| djszapi | Kozzi: I packaged that for Harmattan | 13:16 |
| djszapi | long ago | 13:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi: isn't it from inside the Qtcreator itself? | 13:16 |
| djszapi | check out the repository pls. | 13:16 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: it is not | 13:16 |
| djszapi | I mean, if you wanna use on the device | 13:16 |
| Kozzi | well, there is .exe file in Simulator/Qt/mingw/bin | 13:16 |
| djszapi | if it is just SDK thingy it should work | 13:16 |
| djszapi | if it is device, it should work too | 13:17 |
| djszapi | what is the problem ? | 13:17 |
| Kozzi | or is there another way to view qml files without rebuild and run the whole code in simulator ? | 13:17 |
| Kozzi | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-tutorial1.html | 13:17 |
| Kozzi | just wondering if this is a faster way to check out how it looks | 13:19 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Kozzi: simulator? | 13:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | try it on device? | 13:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | make an webapp to show it | 13:22 |
| trx | [Aegis fun day number 2] how can i allow an executable to use the internet? | 13:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | trx: what do you mean? | 13:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok i need to disconnect | 13:26 |
| trx | ZogG_laptop i scp'ed the binary to the device and need to test it, it needs to send data to a http server | 13:26 |
| trx | but it cant get internet access | 13:27 |
| trx | the same binary works properly when installed as a package | 13:27 |
| djszapi | trx: why don't you just package it ? | 13:28 |
| djszapi | instead of spending this much time with asking ? :D | 13:28 |
| djszapi | sorry, if this question sounds harsh, but you would become good to go sooner. | 13:28 |
| trx | djszapi i can't package every 2 mins while debugging my code | 13:28 |
| trx | its not reasonable | 13:28 |
| djszapi | I do not understand why not ? | 13:28 |
| trx | i have nowhere else to test my code | 13:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | trx: on computer =) | 13:29 |
| djszapi | I did this workflow for kanagram and khangman. Worked quite well. | 13:29 |
| djszapi | without such long pain you have with this. | 13:29 |
| trx | i dont have any pain with scping my app to the device and testing it out | 13:30 |
| djszapi | then what is the problem you are trying to solve, if there are no problems ? :D | 13:30 |
| trx | i make a typo in my code | 13:30 |
| trx | and then i need to repackage and install again just to test? | 13:30 |
| djszapi | no, you do not. | 13:30 |
| trx | that sounds like a pain :) | 13:30 |
| djszapi | typo in C++ code is usually compilation error | 13:31 |
| djszapi | just with very bad design, it is a segfault or so | 13:31 |
| djszapi | in qml, there are tricks ... | 13:31 |
| trx | you know what i mean | 13:31 |
| djszapi | nope... | 13:31 |
| djszapi | not getting... | 13:31 |
| djszapi | Could you please clarify ? | 13:31 |
| djszapi | P'haps it is the best, if you give your scenario, you find unreasonable. | 13:32 |
| djszapi | and we can tell, how to achieve the nice workflow for that. | 13:32 |
| trx | ok | 13:32 |
| trx | write some code, compile, scp and test | 13:33 |
| djszapi | typo will not compile | 13:33 |
| trx | realise that i forgot to do something in the code | 13:33 |
| trx | fix it, compile, scp and test | 13:33 |
| djszapi | yes, what is wrong with that ? | 13:33 |
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| djszapi | you can check the code while the other process is building | 13:33 |
| djszapi | so you can think further for the next try. | 13:33 |
| djszapi | to not lose time. | 13:33 |
| trx | that is wonderful | 13:33 |
| trx | i want to keep doing that | 13:33 |
| trx | what i dont want to do is package the app every time | 13:34 |
| trx | thats insane | 13:34 |
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| djszapi | no, it is not | 13:34 |
| djszapi | that is how the platform was designed | 13:34 |
| djszapi | if you keep going against the design, do not expect you will have fully-fledged nice solutions | 13:34 |
| djszapi | once, you got used to how the platform works, it is way easier. | 13:34 |
| trx | my packaged application works with the desgin | 13:35 |
| djszapi | there are tricks how to speed up the qml development | 13:35 |
| djszapi | exactly, that is the point... | 13:35 |
| trx | no, as far as i can see | 13:35 |
| djszapi | you do not follow what works according to the harmattan design. | 13:35 |
| trx | the platform was made to reject all developers | 13:35 |
| djszapi | okay, I have better things to do =) | 13:36 |
| djszapi | I was trying to help. | 13:36 |
| trx | no | 13:36 |
| trx | you did not | 13:36 |
| trx | can anyone else please tell me if this is possible? | 13:41 |
| trx | i cant even believe that i have this "problem" | 13:41 |
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| kkt | trx, still here? | 15:31 |
| trx | kkt yes | 15:31 |
| kkt | did you tried inception/opensh? | 15:33 |
| trx | i am trying that atm | 15:34 |
| kkt | i think that might help | 15:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it's awfully quiet atm :( | 21:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so what ended up happening with that community council biznus | 21:08 |
| beford | hi itsnotabigtruck | 21:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like the election is over and arie didn't win | 21:09 |
| beford | i know Estel_ got elected | 21:09 |
| beford | oh yea, arie did not make it | 21:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | due to the rather ridiculous voting criteria i could have run, but couldn't vote entirely due to not having set up an otherwise-useless maemo.org account soon enough | 21:10 |
| beford | hah yea | 21:11 |
| beford | maemo.org vs tmo accounts | 21:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like i need to file a CA application | 21:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "4. Community Awards are granted for past deeds, so no future projects/promises are considered by Council." any idea if that means that projects released *now* can't be used to justify receiving a unit | 21:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or if that simply means that a promise of something that will be released eventually doesn't count | 21:14 |
| djszapi | Estel_ :o | 21:16 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: wazzap | 21:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: not a lot, was on vacation for a while | 21:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you? | 21:18 |
| djszapi | Ohh. Me not much, relocating to the dreary world soon. | 21:19 |
| djszapi | hopefully publishing a joke reader soon about ovi reviews to Ovi :) | 21:20 |
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| achilles999 | is anyone there? | 23:07 |
| djszapi | shoot | 23:07 |
| achilles999 | how to use the core ui toolkit files in QT creator. I downloaded these files on Nokia N9 UX guidelines. file extension is ai | 23:08 |
| ieatlint | that's an adobe illistrator (vector graphics) file | 23:08 |
| ieatlint | you don't use it in qt creator | 23:08 |
| ieatlint | it's there as a template for making graphics for your app | 23:09 |
| achilles999 | oh ok..got it | 23:09 |
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| ieatlint | assuming this is for the icon, as memory serves there is a template that can be loaded into gimp | 23:09 |
| achilles999 | ok..thanks | 23:09 |
| ieatlint | i think it's for adobe photoshop, but it worked for me in gimp as an import... | 23:10 |
| achilles999 | also, I am learning QT/QML..I picked thp's mustr application to tinker with | 23:10 |
| achilles999 | I couldn't find this property in documentation!! :( | 23:10 |
| achilles999 | BusyIndicator { anchors.centerIn: parent running: visible visible: listModel.status === XmlListModel.Loading } | 23:10 |
| achilles999 | visible property? | 23:11 |
| achilles999 | for BusyIndicator element | 23:11 |
| ieatlint | visible is inherited from the qml Item | 23:11 |
| ieatlint | so you need to look up the docs for the Item element to see the info for the visible property | 23:12 |
| ieatlint | but for reference, it's a boolean value that defaults to true and indicates if the item is visible :P | 23:12 |
| achilles999 | yes, your right. in the document it says it is inherited from Item. I wasn't looking that part | 23:15 |
| achilles999 | but how do I know from the code that this element is derived from other?? | 23:15 |
| ieatlint | not sure what you mean | 23:16 |
| trx | all qml components are derived from Item | 23:17 |
| achilles999 | ohk | 23:18 |
| ieatlint | eh, i'd say all qml elements are | 23:20 |
| ieatlint | a component is another thing | 23:20 |
| ieatlint | it's a confusing an odd definition.. | 23:21 |
| ieatlint | anything that is visible is derived from item | 23:21 |
| achilles999 | ok.. | 23:21 |
| djszapi | so pizza is derived from item, if you see it :p | 23:22 |
| achilles999 | haha..I'm finding bit tough to learn QT & QML..I never done any GUI programming | 23:22 |
| djszapi | Qt ;) | 23:22 |
| heymaster | ;) | 23:23 |
| ieatlint | well, it's not even that cut and dry... a MouseArea isn't something you can see, but it's derived from Item :P | 23:24 |
| ieatlint | just don't worry about it for now.. look at the docs, the top of the page will tell you what it's derived from | 23:25 |
| ieatlint | but the whole Qt/QML structure is a bit weird | 23:25 |
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| achilles999 | ok | 23:27 |
| achilles999 | can anyone point me to example or code that parses JSON data in QML?? | 23:28 |
| ieatlint | qml is run via a javascript engine | 23:29 |
| ieatlint | you parse json in qml the same way you do in javascript | 23:29 |
| ieatlint | so just google for it... the eval() and JSON.parse() methods will both work -- although you can't do undelcared global vars in qml, so you ned to do "var obj; obj = JSON.parse()" and similar | 23:31 |
| djszapi | you can also parse in C++ | 23:32 |
| djszapi | by calling the parser stuff from QML | 23:32 |
| djszapi | Perhaps, that is a better integrated way than js | 23:33 |
| achilles999 | thanks..any examples to look at?? | 23:35 |
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| ieatlint | djszapi: have you ever parsed json in c++? | 23:36 |
| ieatlint | it's fucking horrible. | 23:36 |
| ieatlint | you use QtScriptEngine and it returns a QVariantMap that consists of QVariants and nested QVariantMaps | 23:37 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: I wrote a parser | 23:37 |
| djszapi | and yes, I used the Qt5 parser | 23:37 |
| djszapi | quite fast and neat | 23:37 |
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| ieatlint | is there a new parser for json in qt5? | 23:38 |
| djszapi | what do you mean by new ? | 23:39 |
| djszapi | There has always been just one for Qt5 written by Lars. | 23:39 |
| djszapi | 5-6 times faster than the upstream qtjson project | 23:40 |
| ieatlint | i haven't tried json parsing in qt5 | 23:41 |
| ieatlint | but by new, i'd mean "not in qt4" | 23:41 |
| ieatlint | as the only way to parse json in qt4 is via QtScriptEngine (or something crazy with QML, which would be similar but slower to QtScriptEngine) ... or via an external library or your implementation, which is not always an option | 23:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so is there a 'proper' qt5 port to harmattan now? | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what build does that snowshoe browser use? | 23:43 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: that question does not make too much sense | 23:43 |
| ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: yes and no | 23:43 |
| djszapi | qt5 should not be ported, but should work oob | 23:43 |
| djszapi | there has always been packages around | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | of course it makes sense, don't be obtuse | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | last i checked there was exactly 1 port and it was months out of date and not maintained | 23:44 |
| ieatlint | yeah, you just compile qt5 to use X and opengl es via X | 23:44 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: not quite, nope | 23:44 |
| djszapi | it is the same build thingie | 23:44 |
| ieatlint | there are libs, but the qt5 source is too unstable | 23:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and iirc it required a lot more than just building it | 23:44 |
| ieatlint | it changes daily, etc | 23:44 |
| ieatlint | nope, it's just a bitch to build :P | 23:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the aforementioned port was in fact a port, as in a bunch of modifications to the code | 23:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | at least, iirc | 23:45 |
| djszapi | nope | 23:45 |
| djszapi | it was always upstream | 23:45 |
| djszapi | just snapshot builds since qt5 has never been released for good | 23:45 |
| ieatlint | qt5 works perfectly fine via xcb.. | 23:45 |
| djszapi | there is an upcoming binary release though called "beta". | 23:45 |
| ieatlint | however qtmobility in qt5... that's a big question mark | 23:45 |
| djszapi | the bigger question to me is the qtquick2 branch for qt-components | 23:46 |
| djszapi | I would like to try that out | 23:46 |
| ieatlint | sadly we'll never see qt5 replacing qt4 on harmattan... i bet the UI would be twice as fast :/ | 23:46 |
| djszapi | qml2 will be slower | 23:47 |
| djszapi | sadly. | 23:47 |
| djszapi | at least the lanch | 23:47 |
| djszapi | launch* | 23:47 |
| ieatlint | in my tests of it in the beta, it's faster | 23:47 |
| ieatlint | noticeably | 23:47 |
| ieatlint | like 3x+ | 23:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it appears that at least a patch to the inputstuff is required | 23:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the gitorious repo i saw earlier mentions something related to xinput2 support | 23:47 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: cannot 'cause of the qml1 booster | 23:47 |
| ieatlint | i've run it on a lot of different embedded arm devices with opengl, and the scenegraph makes a huge difference | 23:47 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: screengraph does not make too much difference for the launch | 23:48 |
| ieatlint | sure, for the launch | 23:48 |
| djszapi | in fact, the guy who worked on this said, it is slower | 23:48 |
| ieatlint | although it should be a little better... loading textures onto vram vs rending via cpu and storing in ram | 23:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, also | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | applauncherd is open source | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | one could make a qml2 booster, no? | 23:50 |
| djszapi | not for harmattan | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what not for harmattan | 23:50 |
| ieatlint | enjoy the n9.. in under a year, we'll be as bitter as DocScrutinizer as we search for a new platform | 23:51 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: we heard the same more than a year ago | 23:51 |
| djszapi | and we are still here. | 23:51 |
| djszapi | iow, who knows what happens even in a short time :D | 23:52 |
| djszapi | Qt5 will boost some Harmattan hackers probably. | 23:52 |
| djszapi | not too much though. | 23:52 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, but from what has leaked from nokia, the best bet of a continued qt phone from them is targetted at a low end | 23:54 |
| djszapi | I do not trust next-billion | 23:54 |
| ieatlint | so even if it does come out, it'll be low end | 23:54 |
| djszapi | well, if it comes out, we are happy | 23:55 |
| djszapi | but I do not trust | 23:55 |
| djszapi | low end... misleading term. | 23:55 |
| djszapi | low end now is the highest end 1-3 years ago. | 23:55 |
| djszapi | aka. the minimum knowledge of Harmattan IMO | 23:55 |
| ieatlint | well, my point is that the n9 was to be a flagship device, and when it launched at 1ghz single core, there were already dual core 1.2ghz devices from other manufacturers | 23:56 |
| ieatlint | now the camera and screen were able to compete, but it was still old hardware | 23:56 |
| ieatlint | i'd expect (without any internal knowledge) that the meltemi devices will be comparable to the nokia 701 and similar | 23:57 |
| djszapi | well, you cannot have golden for low-end price. | 23:57 |
| djszapi | I personally prefer to not pay with golden. | 23:57 |
| ieatlint | 1ghz, decent screen, mediocre camera, 100-150EUR | 23:57 |
| djszapi | since I cannot. | 23:57 |
| djszapi | 100-150 EUR is way too high IMO | 23:57 |
| ieatlint | eh.. i'm at my end with it all.. i'll ride the n9 out, but then i'll be left unsure where to go | 23:58 |
| djszapi | we have been in this situation for more than a year ago | 23:58 |
| ieatlint | android is so crappy and janky, but it's got the commercial app support and some decent devices | 23:58 |
| djszapi | nothing really changed. | 23:58 |
| ieatlint | a year ago we knew the n9 was coming | 23:59 |
| ieatlint | you especially | 23:59 |
| djszapi | Android is a very poor substitute, if any. | 23:59 |
| djszapi | sorry ? | 23:59 |
| djszapi | the announcement happened 16 months ago | 23:59 |
| ieatlint | you were working on the n9 a year ago | 23:59 |
| djszapi | bit less, but about. | 23:59 |
| ieatlint | not exactly | 23:59 |
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