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| arcean_ | Venemo, in my case N950 get noticeable faster | 00:10 |
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| Venemo | arcean_: really? | 00:11 |
| arcean_ | especially transitions in MTF-based apps | 00:11 |
| Venemo | well, mine got to the point where I just needed to reflash it. | 00:11 |
| Venemo | maybe if I install the updates right after the reflash, it'll be somewhat better than installing them on a few months old installation? | 00:12 |
| arcean_ | yeah | 00:12 |
| arcean_ | that's what i did | 00:12 |
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| Venemo | I'll do that too | 00:18 |
| Venemo | and see what happens | 00:18 |
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| thp | is apps.formeego.org's package import into staging currently broken? or did i mess something up when submitting my packages? | 00:51 |
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| kairoscrazia | anyone? | 01:59 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | Does anybody know how Conversation/messaging is sending an SMS? Qt mobility doesn't do it properly so I am trying to find other ways to achieve this. | 06:47 |
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| kyo | Hi, I'm developing an application that requires cto create a file in /usr/share/icons so I need to run it with high privileges, is there a way to submit this to the store? is it possible to submit it to the maemo coding competition ? | 06:49 |
| beford | GonzoTheGreat, did you check harmattan showcase api example? its supposed to send SMS | 06:50 |
| GonzoTheGreat | yep. It ain't working. It either doesn't work at all or is a problem with the carrier. If anybody could check this, it would be helpful. | 06:52 |
| GonzoTheGreat | I see some symbian related entries in the qt-project bug tracker. | 06:53 |
| GonzoTheGreat | The message gets indicated as "delivered" and on dbus I see a message from the carrier service sender which indicates a problem. It gets there eventually. | 06:54 |
| GonzoTheGreat | The strange thing is that once the reply is received its timestamp is immiedately after the "delivered" timestamp. | 06:55 |
| GonzoTheGreat | As it is vodafone, you'll never know ;-) | 06:55 |
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| beford | heh yea | 06:56 |
| beford | I don't have it installed currently | 06:56 |
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| beford | ovi qa requires apps to be optified right? | 10:24 |
| petteri | hopefully | 10:25 |
| hiemanshu | beford: yes | 10:26 |
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| djszapi | Hey! Has anybody tried qml2 on Harmattan ? I wonder if that launches faster. | 11:32 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | look like the message sending issue is Vodafone specific. It still would be nice to know what the difference between the send methods is. | 11:59 |
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| vladest | what is qm12? | 12:20 |
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| djszapi | Stecchino: I am not realizing what the max and min values for the random number generator in qca. | 12:25 |
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| Stecchino | djszapi: I've not used the API directly either | 12:44 |
| Stecchino | no proper docs? | 12:44 |
| Stecchino | I don't even see a way to set min and max values | 12:45 |
| Stecchino | would not really be in the spirit of a random number generator either | 12:45 |
| Stecchino | couldn't you just use % or floor and ceil? | 12:46 |
| djszapi | Stecchino: yes, every API user could do that. | 12:46 |
| djszapi | but then why library ? :) | 12:46 |
| djszapi | Also, I am quite scared off by the fact, they have a weak random number generator by default in a crypto library :o | 12:47 |
| Stecchino | takes a special situation/hardware to do strong random I guess | 12:48 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 12:53 |
| djszapi | IMO, a weak stuff should not be occured in any way in a trustworthy crypto library or framework. | 12:54 |
| djszapi | I began to check the code for almost everything after that, that I use. | 12:54 |
| Stecchino | djszapi: wikipedia for strong random number generator and you'll understand | 12:56 |
| Stecchino | or laplaces daemon ;) | 12:56 |
| djszapi | Stecchino: I do not understand | 12:57 |
| djszapi | what do you /really/ mean ? | 12:57 |
| djszapi | without reading stuff I know. | 12:57 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: bad news to you. Qml2 is even slower than qml1 :p | 12:57 |
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| djszapi | long life to MTF :-) | 12:57 |
| djszapi | slower, as in launch. | 12:58 |
| MohammadAG | Heh | 12:58 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: because of the booster | 13:01 |
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| MohammadAG | What boosterv | 13:02 |
| Stecchino | djszapi: that a random number generator is never really random. And if you don't have special hardware and rand() is concidered weak | 13:02 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: there is a qml booster with qt4/qml1 | 13:02 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: which is not the case with qt5/qml2 | 13:02 |
| Stecchino | so don't get to stuck up on details | 13:02 |
| djszapi | Stecchino: wrong | 13:02 |
| djszapi | Stecchino: /dev/random is totally random | 13:02 |
| djszapi | and there is a huge difference between "mathematically random" and "/dev/urandom" kernel core random | 13:03 |
| Stecchino | yes, you believe that, but never work on a security sensitive application please | 13:03 |
| Stecchino | stay away from banking jobs as well | 13:03 |
| djszapi | Stecchino: I have done that many times, and doing that atm as well | 13:03 |
| djszapi | with other security experts. | 13:03 |
| * MohammadAG whispers entropy | 13:04 | |
| djszapi | actually, even on Windows, CryptGenRandom is way better than the one qca uses | 13:04 |
| djszapi | and that is totally prng | 13:04 |
| djszapi | in fact, what qca uses is good for kanagram or khangman to randomly give words. | 13:04 |
| djszapi | but a total fail for cryptography purposes. | 13:05 |
| Stecchino | But I see what you mean about QCA's weakness: "QCA provides a built in source of random numbers, which can be accessed through this class" | 13:05 |
| djszapi | same with CommonCrypto on Mac. | 13:05 |
| djszapi | Stecchino: ok to put it plain: they use rand() | 13:05 |
| djszapi | by default | 13:05 |
| djszapi | through the qrand, qsrand thingy | 13:05 |
| Stecchino | so that means they have a rand() { return 5; //rolled a dice, totally random ;) } | 13:05 |
| djszapi | which is totally unacceptable for crypto goals. | 13:06 |
| Stecchino | " You can also use an alternative random number source, by implementing another provider." | 13:06 |
| djszapi | that is irrelevant | 13:06 |
| djszapi | they include a weak rng in a crypto lib, and even worse by default. | 13:06 |
| djszapi | to be even more worse they do not even document that on the QCA::Random interface with big and fat red letters. | 13:07 |
| Stecchino | so qrand() not sufficient? | 13:07 |
| djszapi | even worse* | 13:07 |
| djszapi | for crypto purposese ? No, not at all. | 13:07 |
| Stecchino | I would think the implementation uses /dev/random | 13:07 |
| djszapi | purposes* | 13:07 |
| djszapi | no | 13:07 |
| djszapi | they only make rand_r wrapping | 13:07 |
| djszapi | and a rand() as a fallback | 13:07 |
| djszapi | they make that thread safe | 13:07 |
| djszapi | so you get the same values in different threads. | 13:08 |
| djszapi | that is qrand about. | 13:08 |
| djszapi | which is good since qtcore is not a crypto lib | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG | Stecchino: so that means they have a rand() { return 5; //rolled a dice, totally random ;) } | 13:09 |
| MohammadAG | Reminds me of Sony | 13:09 |
| Stecchino | http://xkcd.com/221/ | 13:10 |
| djszapi | :p | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG | Legit | 13:11 |
| djszapi | Stecchino: too bad the Mac guys made openssl obsolete :/ | 13:12 |
| djszapi | this way, it is a bit hard to have a cross-platform library. | 13:12 |
| djszapi | with the QCA architecture | 13:13 |
| djszapi | you need to use different plugins. | 13:13 |
| djszapi | actually the QCA architecture relies on the fact, there is a cross-platform library underneath, and the architecture provides no guarantee for cross-platformness on its own. | 13:13 |
| djszapi | so it is not a cross-platform architecture to me to be honest. :-) It is more like just a wrapper. | 13:14 |
| djszapi | crypto++ is a cross platform architecture, but unfortunately they do not have Mac backend. | 13:16 |
| djszapi | has* | 13:17 |
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| djszapi | MohammadAG: were you aware of the fact, apps4meego will be merged with maemo.org ? | 13:30 |
| * djszapi has not been active recently | 13:30 | |
| MohammadAG | Nope | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | Hoping that means it'll be part of extras | 13:31 |
| djszapi | yeah, but they did not even contact us about Harmattan packages | 13:32 |
| djszapi | in the community repository and elsewhere. | 13:32 |
| djszapi | this bugs me a bit. | 13:32 |
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| djszapi | they wanna make build.obs.maemo.org alive. | 13:32 |
| djszapi | for Harmattan, apparently. | 13:32 |
| djszapi | I reeeeeeeeally hope they do not reinvent the wheel. | 13:33 |
| djszapi | on an unrelated note: building qt5 with OBS is even more pain than kdelibs back then =) | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | I hate obs | 13:35 |
| djszapi | :D | 13:35 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | Is it possible to mark a notification as read. I am intercepting an SMS and deleting it, but the notification remains. | 14:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: MohammadAG apps4meego is good idea but it's not really organized that good | 14:09 |
| djszapi | +1 | 14:10 |
| GonzoTheGreat | RTFM -> notifications API. I hope that one works. | 14:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | GonzoTheGreat: btw have you changed your password? | 14:14 |
| GonzoTheGreat | very funny | 14:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm just checking if you saw that you typed it in here, you may not notice it, so i wanted to tell you. not laughing actually | 14:15 |
| GonzoTheGreat | the reason I had that specific password was that I did the same thing before. | 14:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 14:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | GonzoTheGreat: what client you use? | 14:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | why don't you make it automatic? | 14:16 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | Quassel - a pain in the rear end | 14:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | liinux? | 14:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | i would recomend x-chat or irssi | 14:16 |
| GonzoTheGreat | from now on I always send /msg nickserv help | 14:16 |
| GonzoTheGreat | first | 14:16 |
| GonzoTheGreat | linux | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | And what was wrong with marmo.org's extras ZogG_laptop | 14:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | GonzoTheGreat: you can sent it in server window that noone will see if you even mistaken | 14:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i was talking about apps4meego here | 14:17 |
| GonzoTheGreat | well this one has a server window as well. I just clicked one item lower... oh well | 14:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i think maemo's were better as they had apps manager integrated in sytem first of all as normal linux and no aegis as well | 14:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | GonzoTheGreat: i bet you can save password in settings | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop: I know, but apps4meego's client is an app manager locked to one repo | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | Point is, why didn't someone just make a harmattan distro on repository.maemo.org | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | Apps4Meego didn't help with aegis much | 14:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: as far as i know they have aegis credentials from nokia, but no deps and libs can be added =( | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | And that couldn't have been added to extras? It could | 14:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | what exactly? | 14:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | aegis or deps or libs? | 14:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't care about the domain, what i care is how it's made =) | 14:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | i still need to figure it out how to upload my app to apps4meego =) | 14:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | rZr told he would help me, but i had no time to bug him with that =) | 14:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: as well as integration with github harmattan organization would be nice, so it would built automagically from sources =) | 14:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | for example it would do it or manually or automaticly if there were changes at 00:00 everyday =) | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: What would you want to upload to afm and which dependencies do you need? | 14:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: i need to try upload my app that doesn't have dependencies i think, but Elleo needs deps for his app | 14:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1211669&postcount=21 | 14:34 |
| GonzoTheGreat | aah great: notification example has a #if defined(Q_OS_SYMBIAN) NotificationSession->markConsumed | 14:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: as about my app, it's okay, i just need to play with obs, read faq and maybe little help. with my app it's the problem on my end | 14:35 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ok i need to go | 14:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | see you guys | 14:35 |
| GonzoTheGreat | the harmattan api has more holes than a swiss cheese. | 14:36 |
| X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Well, I can help you out if you have questions. | 14:37 |
| thp | X-Fade: niels! | 14:44 |
| thp | :) | 14:45 |
| thp | here you are | 14:45 |
| X-Fade | thp: Sure :) | 14:45 |
| thp | may i bug you with my AFM problems? | 14:45 |
| thp | X-Fade: i have in MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing: brainparty, gpodder, mustr -> however, they don't show up on the apps.formeego.org staging page ("Applications waiting for review") | 14:46 |
| thp | damn.. they show up now ;) they didn't yesterday.. | 14:46 |
| X-Fade | thp: fixed it this morning :) | 14:47 |
| X-Fade | Was wondering when you'll notice :) | 14:47 |
| thp | ok :) was i doing something wrong or did i miss a step, or was it just that the website didn't update? | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | Stuck process, needed a kick. | 14:48 |
| thp | alright :) thanks for fixing it so quickly | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | No problem, already reviewed some of them too. | 14:49 |
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| heymaster | Hello, how to make ListVIew in QML themed ? | 15:03 |
| heymaster | like standart harmattan objects ? | 15:04 |
| tomma | use harmattan components in delegate | 15:08 |
| heymaster | tomma: thanks | 15:08 |
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| heymaster | Anyone has information about Device Seed 2012 ? | 15:51 |
| heymaster | If I start doing my app now is it possible to enter ? | 15:52 |
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| heymaster | Or competition is just for existing apps ? | 15:54 |
| heymaster | Don't know if program or not :/ | 15:54 |
| gabriel9 | code | 16:05 |
| gabriel9 | if you have time | 16:05 |
| gabriel9 | i don't have :( | 16:05 |
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| djszapi | Hey! Naiv question, but do people care about Qt5 on Harmattan ? | 16:10 |
| djszapi | Naive* | 16:12 |
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| vladest | well | 16:23 |
| vladest | people do but Nokia does not | 16:23 |
| djszapi | I was just about to propose a Qt5 Harmattan session at the QtCS. If the community does not wish such a project in the future, perhaps it is not worthy... So, it is just like an assessment from me, if there is any interest. =) Yes, sure, it would be supported and collaborated by the community, and no Nokia involved apart from hosting some servers for the new build stuff. | 16:24 |
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| vladest | also thre is important future of harmattan platform at all and future os Qt on mobile platforms | 16:30 |
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| djszapi | Yep, I think Harmattan is the currently most mature thing to experiment with Qt5 on phones. | 16:32 |
| djszapi | I am not saying, it is an ideal platform for that, but I cannot mention any better alternatives for this purpose right away. | 16:34 |
| djszapi | I am also considering end users, who could use Qt5 based applications in the end. | 16:37 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | MohammadAG: just looking through irc logs. Did you ever work out how to get rid of/block notifications. | 16:44 |
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| MohammadAG | Why did I want to block notifications? :p | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | (I honestly forgot) | 16:47 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | I am getting a specific SMS which is displayed in the application. I can delete the SMS but the notification remains. | 16:48 |
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| jonni | vladest: well nokia cares atleast a tiny bit, otherwise it wouldn't be giving out 25 N9's for best Qt5 project proposals... http://wiki.maemo.org/Summer%2712_Device_Program/Qt_5_Mobile_Projects | 17:05 |
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| heymaster | gabriel9|work: thanks | 17:23 |
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| heymaster | Where to find harmattan theme images list on web ? Like "image://theme/meegotouch-list-background-pressed-center" | 17:24 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | poking around dbus I found how to remove notifications. | 17:28 |
| vladest | the main qml disadvantage now is mess with qt components | 17:28 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | qdbus com.meego.core.MNotificationManager /notificationmanager com.meego.core.MNotificationManager.notificationUserId | 17:29 |
| vladest | I'm creating an app for symbian and trid to port it to n9 and failed | 17:29 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | and then use the value: qdbus com.meego.core.MNotificationManager /notificationmanager com.meego.core.MNotificationManager.removeNotification user_id id | 17:30 |
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| djszapi | Stecchino: heh, turns out even the openssl plugin is not prepared for supporting all the fundamental needs from openssl for QCA. | 18:13 |
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| heymaster | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/images/building_blocks/Components/list_items_framed.png how to make list items framed ? | 18:40 |
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| djszapi | heymaster: qml or MTF ? | 18:43 |
| heymaster | djszapi: qml | 18:44 |
| heymaster | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/ there are great page on UX guidlines, but don't see any examples | 18:44 |
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| heymaster | djszapi: it's easier with MTF ? | 18:57 |
| flux | so I'm bulk-copying jpg files over scp to my desktop pc | 19:13 |
| flux | is there a way to get the tags as well? | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Aren't the tags in EXIF | 19:13 |
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| flux | I guess I must have a tool for doing specifically that, the sqlite3-backed (?) tracker db is probably out of reach until I use inception? | 19:18 |
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| djszapi | heymaster: you need to do that manually with qml due to the traits of this component: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components-extras/qt-components-meego-extraslistdelegate.html?tab=1 | 19:37 |
| heymaster | djszapi: thanks | 19:42 |
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| rm_work | flux: if it puts the Tags in EXIF (like i hope it does? not 100% sure though) then they would be in the jpeg files themselves, so it's be ok... might just need a tool for viewing the EXIF data but it should be in the files | 21:10 |
| tomma | rm_work, i checked and couldn't see tags in exif | 21:11 |
| rm_work | hrm | 21:11 |
| rm_work | that's strange (and sad) | 21:11 |
| rm_work | it should be doing geo-tagging in EXIF at least :/ | 21:11 |
| rm_work | did Nokia pull a Nokia on this one? >_> | 21:11 |
| tomma | atleast GPS coordinates are there | 21:13 |
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| trx | how do i run an application from a terminal with internet access permission? | 22:04 |
| trx | i tried: aegis-exes -a "CAP::net_raw" -a "CAP::net_bind_service" -a "CAP::net_broadcast" -a "CAP::net_admin" /bin/txpad | 22:06 |
| trx | with no luck :/ | 22:06 |
| beford | exec ? | 22:10 |
| djszapi | trx: why not packaging ? | 22:10 |
| beford | iis there a CAP for internet access? | 22:10 |
| djszapi | and what exactly are you trying to do ? | 22:10 |
| trx | djszapi i dont want to package just to test the app | 22:11 |
| Sazpaimon_ | my harmattan scratchbox environment seems to be missing QFormBuilder | 22:12 |
| Sazpaimon_ | is that normal? | 22:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | beford: noone gives me good feedback and suggestions that much =( | 22:12 |
| djszapi | trx: you might serious troubles. | 22:13 |
| djszapi | I help, if you package, otherwise I would not like. I might waste hours or days from my life that way. | 22:13 |
| djszapi | get* | 22:14 |
| trx | djszapi why is that? how come eg ping can access the internet but my unpackaged application can not? | 22:15 |
| trx | it is in fact packaged and installed, i am just trying to test the new revisions without installing them | 22:15 |
| djszapi | you are on your own then. | 22:16 |
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| djszapi | I would not like to help that way, sorry. | 22:16 |
| trx | i am confused now :) | 22:17 |
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| trx | it takes 10 mins to package my app and install it, how can i develop the app without being able to test it? | 22:18 |
| djszapi | trx: to put this plain: I had zillion helping hours and days due to "smart ideas" from users. | 22:18 |
| trx | why is this "smart idea"? | 22:19 |
| djszapi | nvm | 22:19 |
| trx | i dont know how you develop your harmattan apps | 22:19 |
| trx | i use pascal and can't use any of Qt tools | 22:19 |
| djszapi | dpkg-buildpackage is not a qt tool | 22:20 |
| trx | thats why i have n950, to test apps | 22:20 |
| trx | ok | 22:21 |
| trx | thank you anyway | 22:21 |
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| trx | does anyone else know how to give my application internet access with aegis-exec or however? | 22:22 |
| jonni | depends what you mean by internet access, any app can access to internet, or you mean to make a server? | 22:28 |
| jonni | just run with "aegix-exec /bin/txpad" | 22:29 |
| jonni | s/x/s/ | 22:29 |
| infobot | jonni meant: just run with "aegis-exec /bin/txpad" | 22:29 |
| trx | not a server, just http | 22:29 |
| trx | POST message to a http server at port 80 | 22:29 |
| jonni | you dont need any magic, just run with aegix-exec without any parameters | 22:29 |
| trx | ok | 22:30 |
| trx | thanks | 22:30 |
| djszapi | trx: you are running devel shell, right ? | 22:30 |
| trx | yes | 22:30 |
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| trx | still can get access | 22:37 |
| trx | can't* | 22:37 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | i dont understand why there isn't a PR1.2 binary repo | 22:41 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it seems the sdk repositories are all on 1.0 still | 22:41 |
| mankeli | i've heard it's about keeping everything compatible with pr1.0 | 22:45 |
| jonni | ovi store requirement at the moment, but hopefully there will be change at some point. | 22:46 |
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| mankeli | probably so that some crap-operators don't have to update their variants | 22:46 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but Qt creator seems to be at PR1.2 iirc | 22:46 |
| beford | i thought ovi removed that requirement already | 22:46 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | no matter, I'm just building libqt4* from the PR1.2 sources dvd | 22:46 |
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| jonni | and to ruin your day I can say, "no matter, I'm just using the fully nokia signed PR1.2 repository myself" ;-) | 22:48 |
| mankeli | share your secrets jonni! | 22:48 |
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| mankeli | the malf-kludge, and that repo :) | 22:48 |
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| jonni | and my vpnc client :) | 22:49 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yes jonni show us the ways of the world! | 22:49 |
| mankeli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAgXwNv4S8c | 22:49 |
| jonni | pretty nice demo | 22:52 |
| mankeli | thank you :) | 22:52 |
| mankeli | now how about that repo... :D | 22:53 |
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| jonni | sorry, that one is for internals only, but lets see if there is ever coming any PR updates, then at the same time there might come sdk update. But then again nobody has ever said that there even will be a PR update. | 22:55 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i have no problem building the packages myself | 22:56 |
| jonni | well yes dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot should work just fine. | 22:56 |
| Sazpaimon_ | strangely qt4-x11 requires a version of quilt more recent than the rootstrap provides | 22:56 |
| mankeli | well it's annoying metawork vs. actual work | 22:56 |
| Sazpaimon_ | ie. one with quilt pop | 22:56 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i just installed quilt 0.50 from ubuntu and it worked fine | 22:57 |
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| jonni | maybe ovi store mentality was that pr1.0 was perferct and you can code anything with it :) | 22:58 |
| Sazpaimon_ | >implying ovi store has a mentality | 22:59 |
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| jonni | "make it hard, dont explain rejections with more that 1 lines and remember to make publish website a nightmare" :) | 23:00 |
| jonni | well actually its always interesting to see what QA finds, I just submitted a new app today... should know the results in a week or two. | 23:01 |
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| truncked | Hi... I am having a nokia N9... today afternoon, the screen just blinked and went off.. i tried rebooting it... and it's not booting.. anybody can help me please ? | 23:16 |
| beford | was the battery too low? | 23:17 |
| beford | did you overclock it | 23:18 |
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| truncked | I am not sure beford ... | 23:18 |
| truncked | I was using wazapp, and got a new message.. then suddenly, the screen went off | 23:18 |
| truncked | it blinked a couple of time earlier in the day | 23:18 |
| truncked | i don't know what is "overclock" | 23:18 |
| truncked | though, the battery might have been low.. but i am not sure.. | 23:19 |
| truncked | but it's been for more than an hour on the charger.. and it cannot book | 23:19 |
| truncked | boot | 23:19 |
| truncked | when i try to start it... it vibrates once.. then the light goes off | 23:19 |
| truncked | also, i would like to mention that normally, when i start it.. it asks me for the password... coz i have put a password | 23:19 |
| truncked | but now, i don't even see the "nokia" logo | 23:20 |
| truncked | nothing | 23:20 |
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| koe | no nokia logo at all? | 23:20 |
| truncked | no nokia logo | 23:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | mankeli: wtf was that? | 23:20 |
| truncked | only vibrates once.. then black screen again | 23:20 |
| mankeli | ZogG_laptop: a demo. http://hatemachine.electrontu.be/~mankeli/lhb-rehab_1.0_armel.deb | 23:21 |
| truncked | now, still on the charger.. the light is blinking.. | 23:21 |
| koe | if charging wont help, flash it | 23:22 |
| truncked | hey... i don't know how to flash it.. :) | 23:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | mankeli: demo of what? (no sound here) — from video i didn't get anything | 23:22 |
| truncked | but also, if i flash, do i lose warranty ? | 23:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | mankeli: it's an app? or app that just shows video? | 23:22 |
| truncked | can i just click a combination of buttons.. and it will go back to factory settings ? | 23:22 |
| truncked | koe: what is the meaning of "flash it" and how do i do that ? | 23:23 |
| koe | nope. go to talk maemo org | 23:23 |
| koe | n9/n950 thread | 23:23 |
| mankeli | ZogG_laptop: it's a app. which uses libsdl and gles 2.0 to show stuff in realtime | 23:23 |
| truncked | there is no other option but to flash it you mean ? | 23:24 |
| koe | if it wont boot, ni | 23:24 |
| koe | no* | 23:24 |
| mankeli | ZogG_laptop: the eye part was a video of course, decoded by gstreamer to an opengl texture | 23:24 |
| mankeli | ZogG_laptop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene | 23:24 |
| truncked | and i am using linux on my laptop.. can i flash it from there ? | 23:24 |
| koe | off course | 23:25 |
| truncked | what about the warranty thing from nokia ? do i lose it ? | 23:25 |
| koe | so n9 thread, topic called flasjing guide | 23:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | mankeli: so you just coded demo? i though it was demo of app and not demo — the code demo | 23:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~flashing | 23:26 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing_N9 | 23:26 |
| mankeli | ZogG_laptop: yeah, it's just an realtime animation basicly | 23:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | mankeli: opensource btw? | 23:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | mankeli: maybe it's better to make app? | 23:27 |
| truncked | when i flash.. i lose all data right ? | 23:27 |
| heymaster | Best way to represent C++ array data to QML ListVIeW | 23:27 |
| heymaster | ? | 23:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | truncked: backup and depends if you flash emmc | 23:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | truncked:but apps go away - yes, so backup | 23:28 |
| truncked | but i cannot start it to back-it up... :) | 23:28 |
| mankeli | ZogG_laptop: well the code is quite horrible, so i'd rather not share it. it was done in terrible hurry for the party :) | 23:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | mankeli: not bad | 23:28 |
| mankeli | thank you :) | 23:29 |
| beford | you cn flash only the OS truncked | 23:30 |
| beford | and no data loss should occur | 23:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | mankeli: what party? | 23:31 |
| mankeli | stream nine | 23:31 |
| beford | however I think its a little too early for a flash, well not sure if you should give it a little more time in the charging, you need a decent % to flash it anyway | 23:31 |
| mankeli | ZogG_laptop: http://streamparty.org/stream_nine/ | 23:31 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mankeli: if those afforts for a nice game — it can make money for you and entertain us on other hand | 23:33 |
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| mankeli | ZogG_laptop: well in finnish game industry (mobile especially) most have their roots in demoscene | 23:35 |
| mankeli | so it kinda happens all the time | 23:36 |
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| RST38h | So any PRs on the horizon? | 23:37 |
| Elleo | RST38h: there was some article a while back claiming that pr1.3 should be arriving sometime around now; no idea how accurate that was though | 23:39 |
| mankeli | somebody said that it is supposed to come out in may | 23:39 |
| mankeli | 20 minutes :) | 23:40 |
| Elleo | heh | 23:40 |
| matrixx | mankeli: hey, you got the deb out, great! | 23:40 |
| matrixx | mankeli: btw, I gave two stars for it ;) | 23:40 |
| truncked | beford: do you think two hours on the charger is not enough ? | 23:41 |
| truncked | or maybe if i leave it more, there is hope it can start ? | 23:41 |
| mankeli | matrixx: in youtube? | 23:41 |
| matrixx | mankeli: at stream :) | 23:42 |
| mankeli | aah :) | 23:42 |
| mankeli | it's nice to hear that | 23:42 |
| mankeli | even tho the demo was quite rushed, especially the end | 23:43 |
| mankeli | i'm glad that people liked it | 23:43 |
| beford | truncked, well I have heard here that it takes some time to charge if your device is flat on battery, but I have no experience regarding that, maybe DocScrutinizer51 knows | 23:47 |
| truncked | DocScrutinizer: any idea ? | 23:47 |
| truncked | :) | 23:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyone here can paste me ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 23:48 |
| truncked | and how do i know the battery level beford , now since the phone is off.. i can just see the light blinking | 23:48 |
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| truncked | beford: ... hehehe.. now the light is not even blinking | 23:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | truncked: if it's always on - it' on | 23:48 |
| truncked | it's always on | 23:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | that it's full | 23:49 |
| truncked | so, now is the moment of truth... it should start now | 23:49 |
| truncked | right ? | 23:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | not sure | 23:49 |
| truncked | should i unplug it from the charger before attempting to start it ? | 23:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyone can paste the thing i asked | 23:50 |
| truncked | now, the other thing... what if there was a problem in the screen... i mean it started blinking before all this happened... what if the screen is damaged for some reason ? | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | truncked: yes, it can takes hours for a device to resurrect from totally flat battery. afaik | 23:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: it's full if led is always on afaik | 23:51 |
| truncked | guys... same problem... doesn't start... just vibrates once.. and that's all.... black ugly screen | 23:52 |
| truncked | :( | 23:52 |
| koe | flash it then | 23:53 |
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| truncked | :) | 23:54 |
| truncked | waiting for the download to finish... | 23:54 |
| truncked | it's about 1.2 Gb | 23:54 |
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