IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2012-05-24

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MohammadAGartemma, you do realize your agreement prevents you from selling the N950 right?00:02
artemmaMohammadAG: absolutely, I am into borrowing it forever, not into selling it00:02
MohammadAGmeanwhile, N9 for 100Euros
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artemmaMohammadAG: that's mine actually :)00:04
artemmaI've got a number of phones to sell00:04
artemmastill need to take a photo and start selling Lumia 80000:04
MohammadAGGot a Cyan N9?00:05
artemmayep, but using it00:05
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MohammadAGI wonder if the community awards... no, nevermind00:05
artemmadespite the already slightly cracked screen I like it so much that selling a black one and keeping a blue one00:05
artemmait's way better than keeping them lying on the shelf with zero use00:06
artemmaI did use them for purpose pretty well, developed a number of apps, the top one has 40k downloads00:06
artemmajust don't need them anymore00:06
MohammadAGI haven't seen a black polycarbonate, only the blue one of my Lumia00:07
MohammadAGbut it's sexy00:07
rzrlol @
artemmaI tell you, I so much like the color that I am keeping blue one with a cracked screen and sell a vanilla black one :)00:08
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rzrartemma, 40K dl on ovi for harmattan ?00:08
artemmayes, rzr00:08
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artemmabut that's a free app00:09
rzri guess so00:09
ZogG_laptoprzr: sup00:09
artemmaI was just a couple of places short of winning the ovi challenge prize00:09
ZogG_laptopwanna try to help me with apps4meego?00:09
artemmatook too long to develop and downloads started too late00:09
rzrZogG, have you fixed the current tree ?00:10
ZogG_laptoprzr: thp did00:10
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rzrhow comes it didnt work for me ?00:12
rzrelse just read the instructions on the afm page00:13
ZogG_laptoprzr: try agin it should work00:14
ZogG_laptoplemme check00:14
jonnidid tmo just change domain name, or is my eyes just fucking with me.00:14
ZogG_laptoprzr: maybe you in my repo and not harmattan's?00:15
ZogG_laptopi have two and they are the same00:15
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rzrZogG, we;ll talk about it later i feel sleepy for now00:18
ZogG_laptoprzr: night pal00:20
DocScrutinizerjonni: what? ITt was old name of tmo00:24
DocScrutinizerstill working, and still a *lot* of google hits deliver ITt URLS rather than tmo00:25
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DocScrutinizera pity regie doesn't use a CNAME00:26
DocScrutinizeror whatever it needs, to make things work like ->
DocScrutinizereven worse, if you use the IP instead of URL, all the links on that page are based on IP as well00:29
DocScrutinizeroops nope, that's been wiki.maemo.org00:29
DocScrutinizerbut I bet tmo as well00:30
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Elleo^ music fingerprinting and identication :)00:43
Elleowell I might put something together for the coding competition too00:46
ZogG_laptopElleo: what service it uses?00:46
ElleoZogG_laptop: echonest/echoprint00:46
Elleoechoprint is an opensource fingerprinting algorithm, and the data's opensource so you can run your own identification server as well if you want00:47
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Elleobut their list of fingerprinted songs is still a bit limited00:47
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ZogG_laptopElleo: oh that's why MohammadAG didn't finish app on it =)00:51
ZogG_laptopI like how soundhound does it00:51
ZogG_laptopit does it really fast00:51
Elleoechoprint needs about 20 seconds to create its fingerprints00:52
Elleo20 seconds of audio that is00:52
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ZogG_laptopsoundhound does it online i think as it can do it in few secs even00:53
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befordwhat happened to Amarok Move ?09:48
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rigohi, is the N9 actually running an X-server? Can I redirect the display to the machine from which I ssh'ed into it?12:05
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mgedminyes to the first question12:12
mgedmin'uhh what' to the second one ;)12:12
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Aardrigo: you can't redirect x-displays as such once they're up; however, it's possible to run vnc on the n912:13
Aardor if you just want to have x forwarding for single applications: yes, that should work12:14
rigoAard, the latter was my question. Normally, ssh does that automatically, but if I ssh into the N9 it doesn't12:15
rigoand now I wonder where to set the parameter12:15
phakorigo: did you try ssh -Y ?12:17
rigo~ # organiser12:18
rigoMClassFactory already contains MViewCreator for GradientWidgetView12:18
rigoorganiser: cannot connect to X server
rigoafter ssh -Y -l user12:18
phakoprobably doesn't let you override the DISPLAY variable.12:19
rigoit would be huge if I could run the phone calendar app on my display12:19
rigophako, I said export DISPLAY= (the classic thing)12:20
rigoand there it gave me the error12:20
phakothat's not SSH display forwarding12:20
phakothat's normal X network transparency12:21
phakoand most of the X on modern distributions servers don't listen on TCP anymore12:21
rigoexactly and no traces in logs on the desktop (
phako*X servers12:21
phakodoes it work if you don't set DISPLAY and let SSH do it's magic?12:22
Aardrigo: you need to enable TCP on your workstations X-server, than it should work. I just noticed that automagic x-forwarding via ssh does not work out of the box12:22
rigoyep, will do12:23
Aardrigo: just checked, the phone has no xauth. if you compile that for your n9 X-forwarding via ssh should work12:23
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rigohey, somebody could do a paid app for that!12:24
Aarddo you have scratchbox or sdk running?12:24
rigosdk only running on the phone12:24
rigo(dev mode)12:24
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AardI'll check if I can just use the debian source package without much modifications12:25
Aardyou should be aware that using the application with mouse will be annoying, it's designed for finger/touchscreen usage12:26
mankelisounds archaic12:28
mankelii don't know how well all this is going to work since harmattan relies heavily on compositing12:29
mankelibut at least vnc works and it is available from nokia store :)12:29
rigonext question is that fenix is crashing if I try to change folder. I suspect that having installed Kontact-mobile changed some lib. I assume that re-installing fenix would fix it. But I wouldn't flash my phone for that!12:29
rigomankeli, which vnc client do you use on the desktop/laptop then?12:30
rigoso could also work with KRDC12:32
Aardrigo: apt-get install --reinstall should work for the fenix packages (kill pkgmgr process first if there are issues with locking)12:32
mankelievery vnc client should work12:32
rigoha! I learned a lot today. Many thanks to both of you, will try that out (reinstall & vnc)12:33
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Aardrigo: (untested, since my phone currently has problems connecting no nokia repository, for some reason)12:41
rigo /usr/bin/X11/xauth:  file /home/user/.Xauthority does not exist12:44
rigonow created12:45
Aardit'll create it on first login, got my phone working again12:45
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Aardit now sets up the x session, but overwrites the display again somewhere12:46
Aardah, $ cat .profile12:46
Aardexport DISPLAY=':0'12:46
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rigoI get cannot connect to X server
rigohave to fix desktop first12:48
Aardno, for ssh your desktop is fine. do you set the display manually somewhere?12:48
rigoAard, I ssh into N9 with ssh -Y. When I start an application, it will start and display on the phone's screen12:49
Aardyes, because the profile is set to :0, just checknig12:50
rigoif I do export DISPLAY= I get cannot connect to X server
Aardyes, of course not, since that tries to go through tcp12:50
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Aardin /etc/profile and in .profile is "export DISPLAY=':0'", without that (which _might_ break some other things on the device, so changing that to testing if the display is already set would be best) X forwarding over ssh works, though you'll probably need to do additional stuff to get harmattan applications working that way12:53
Aardso unless you _really_ only want the calendar application VNC would be the best option (which, given you have recent firmware, can just be enabled in the developer mode application)12:54
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rigoFailed to create GL context for window surface, not able to recover12:56
rigoworks, but as you said, the applications are not adapted12:57
AardI was using harmattan applications that way almost 2 years ago, but a lot has changed since then :)12:58
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rigokorganizer-mobile actually displays, but is unusable because I can't manipulate anything. It is just full screen on one of my screens12:59
rigoit killed my mouse13:00
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AardI don't have a very high opinion of the kde stuff packaged for N9, so I'm not very surprised that you tell me fenix starts crashing after installing some parts of it13:02
rigoAard, but it was so tempting as I was able to synchronize my Korganizer with a mobile phone for the first time ever13:03
rigowhile I like the meego calendar, the synchronization is still tricky13:03
Aardrigo: that's unfortunately a political decision, the device is fully capable of speaking syncml over all important channel, it just does not provide an easy interface for the enduser to configure it for not officially supported services13:04
Aardthough it would be possible to do a community app for setting up syncml profiles13:04
rigoto a certain extend, I can do with complex interfaces though. I will have to try13:05
rigobecause the main reason people acquire an N9 (apart from being a nice device) is that you have a harmonized platform over laptop and phone both running linux13:05
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rigoand sometimes I'm tempted to believe that this market is bigger than some people believe it is13:06
Aardyes, agree. the lack of easy syncml setup is a problem for me, too, I just never found the time to fix it13:06
Aardcurrently I'm still syncing to my n900, and then n900<>n913:07
rigoif you wanted to create jalousy that way, you succeeded :)13:07
Aardnot really, I'd rather not have to rely on the old phone anymore13:08
rigohave to restart my X sesssion, without a mouse, it's not really convenient. I still have the mouse, but it is not displaying the pointer anymore :)13:08
rigocu in a bit13:08
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Aardthat should be possible without restart13:09
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Aardrigo: you probably should've been able to get your cursor back with xsetroot, without restarting X, if you waited for me to finish typing13:13
rigoAard, I actually haven't restarted X. I found out it was the korganizer-mobile icon still running in the panel that was still causing the mouse to disappear13:14
rigoand I did ^C not often enough13:15
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rigoAard, the vnc - thing really works well!13:35
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rigo:(( I forgot to remove the # before Display='0' and now I bricked it14:28
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rigoany idea how I can acces/mount the storage to remve the #14:28
infobotrigo meant: any idea how I can acces/mount the storage to remove the #14:28
Aardrigo: define 'bricked' -- does not boot anymore?14:28
rigobecause I can't give the PIN code14:29
Aarddevicelock pin, or sim pin?14:29
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rigouhhh, don't know, I think sim pin14:30
rigobecause devicelock would also be needed to get from locked (clock) to interface, right?14:30
Aardif you have device lock, yes14:30
rigothen only sim lock14:31
rigoI could remove the sim, right?14:31
AardX is not starting at all?14:31
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rigoI can't tell, but I assume so, as I still see the boot splash14:31
Aardit's reachable by wifi?14:32
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Aardremove sim, reboot, try if it becomes reachable by wifi14:33
rigoI plugged the USB and the device notifier doesn't react14:33
Aardyes, if the sim dialog won't show it's unlikely the usb moded dialog will show up -> you won't get there via usb14:33
Aardand, the part of the filesystem where .profile is is not exported as mass storage. did you edit .profile in users home, or the global one?14:34
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Aardrigo: kernel for n9/n950 is the same16:19
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rigook, in this case I try first16:26
jonnicityLights: isnt there sqlite command avail in rootfs by default anyways? atleast Im using it from commandline, (but maybe Im wrong and have installed it from secret repo :))16:31
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rigodm8tbr, do you have a link for the linux flasher software used in ?16:38
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rigohm, only for debian. I don't have debian. See if I get it converted to opensuse16:40
divanHi all. Does anyone know how to install PySide Assistant on Mac OS?16:41
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cityLightsjonni: no, what is the secret repo?16:44
cityLightsI started looking in to using the python module to do it16:45
dm8tbrrigo: just extract the binary. should work16:49
rigoworked so far, loaded kernel, tried to connect to USB got a batch of Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy16:59
rigoand then flasher quits17:04
rigowow, so little change and so much damage... will have to flash17:05
rigoI have a 059J1V4 What would be the best firmware to download? It actually offers to download also files called "simlock" which is strange to me17:16
Aardrigo: can you pastebin complete flasher output?17:19
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Aardrigo: I haven't seen this before, but I'd guess that something on your box either automounts, or tries to activate network on it, blocking flasher -> disable automatisms on your box, try again17:29
Aardhaven't touched it since 0.99 :)17:29
rigoonly started late, with 1.1 :)17:30
AardI prefer working on machines without all that fancy automatic stuff, only causes problems17:30
rigoyep, but for my job, I need some of the fancy stuff. Nevertheless, I must admit that the fancy stuff went berserk lately17:31
rigook, means I have to shutdown everything and do that on the console17:32
mankelirigo: the problem with recovely kernel is that it will put your phone to open mode, and since pr1.2 it stays that way - unless you flash the rootfs again17:37
mankeliand the problem of open mode is that they officially say that it does void any warranty at least theoretically17:38
mankeliit's not have been officially tried&tested17:38
Aardmankeli: if you just load the kernel? I doubt it17:38
rigomankeli, nokia warranty, you must be kidding, right ? :)17:38
mankeliAard: yup, since pr1.217:39
rigosee, they may decline contractual warranty, but not the legal one, which is more powerful anyway :)17:39
Aardmankeli: iirc open mode should show that warranty warning on every boot? which it does not on my n917:40
mankeliwhat does accli -I say?17:40
mankelirigo: well okay, i don't know about that. only what the disclaimer screen says17:40
Aard $ accli -I17:41
AardCurrent mode: normal17:41
rigoand most of the disclaimers you read are not valid in Europe anyway17:41
mankeliAard: okay. mine kept in open mode after i loaded n950 recovery kernel once17:41
Aardyou're sure you only loaded it? ;)17:42
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mankeliof course it's pretty hard to say. exposing whole emmc as usb storage is quite subtle effect :)17:46
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MohammadAGhow the fuck did I get my package to be
MohammadAGfrom the SDK19:24
MohammadAGitsnotabigtruck, ping19:24
MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/led-event-notifier-build-harmattan-Qt_4_7_4__harmattan_10_2011_34-1_rt1_2__Release/debian/led-event-notifier/DEBIAN$ cat digsigsums && echo -n19:25
MohammadAGS 15 H 40 HASH_KEY R 26 usr/bin/led-event-notifier19:25
MohammadAGHASH_KEY is there, not sure if I should paste it though19:25
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MohammadAGthis place is dead as fuck :p19:29
petteriliving dead!19:32
MohammadAGbut seriously, I think my SDK's broke, in a good way19:33
MohammadAGusers won't need inception19:33
Corsacnow you just need to package bash19:35
Corsac:)19:35 ?19:37
MohammadAGbeford, that's on device no?19:37
MohammadAGthe file I cat'd is on my laptop19:38
MohammadAGthe deb itself is
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radiofree_MohammadAG: is that the same for all packages?19:39
radiofree_and can you replace nokia packages with updates?19:40
MohammadAGS 15 H 40 blablabla R 21 usr/bin/sociality-mtf19:40
MohammadAGgiven that, I'd say yes19:40
radiofree_you are the chosen one ;)19:41
rigoAard, dm8tbr, it worked. I had to blacklist cdc_phonet and phonet in /etc/modprobe.d/50-blacklist.conf19:41
rigoand now I can confirm that the MALF thingy puts it in open mode19:41
rigonow I have to learn what open mode means19:41
rigois there a howto? a good howto on anything "open" would come from itsnotabigtruck19:42
SazpaimonMaybe I'm stupid but I cannot find the accounts-ui documentation online19:42
MohammadAGradiofree_, oh well, this helps me release led-event-notifier :p19:43
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Aardrigo: interesting, you only loaded the kernel, not flashed it?19:43
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rigoI used the following command: sudo flasher --load -k vmlinuz- -n initrd.img-rescue- --boot19:44
rigothen it exposed all the filesystems to root of the laptop and I was able to edit /etc/profile19:44
rigobut already when it loaded mass-storage, it said this would void warranty, which is kind of idiotic, legally spoken19:45
rigobut IT folks and their relation to legal stuff is another story that could fill a shelf of books :)19:46
Aardrigo: and you now have that warranty warning on every reboot?19:46
MohammadAGI still don't get how to launch apps at bootup19:47
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rigoput them in the QT autostart :)19:47
rigowould be the KDE solution ...19:48
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AardMohammadAG: does putting stuff in /etc/xdg/autostart work?19:51
MohammadAGPackage led-event-notifier: denied 'mce::LEDControl' -- origin '' does not allow it19:54
MohammadAGPackage led-event-notifier: denied 'mce::LEDControl' for '/usr/bin/led-event-notifier' -- origin '' does not allow it19:54
MohammadAGwell that was fun while it lasted19:55
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MohammadAGActually I don't get it19:58
MohammadAGS 15 H 40 0907ab3ca2f689c4eb7d86fe73951e604cdff394 R 26 usr/bin/led-event-notifier19:58
MohammadAGS 15 H 40 1f7dbbf0a3b461fc9169c9b8b5e547bf9a868990 R 42 var/lib/dpkg/info/led-event-notifier.prerm19:58
MohammadAGS 15 H 40 053722a48d4180046249a711882428b30caa85a5 R 45 var/lib/dpkg/info/led-event-notifier.postinst19:58
MohammadAGbut now dpkg bitches about it19:58
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MohammadAGaccli test for mce::LEDControl fails, but it manages to activate the leds20:10
MohammadAGany volunteers?20:10
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MohammadAGWTF is  8822 nobody   /usr/bin/led-event-notifier20:32
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Sazpaimonmardy, I'm taking you up on your offer to help answer some questions of mine regarding account plugins21:00
Sazpaimoneven though that offer was 3 months ago21:00
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jussihrm, how can I get to a "terminal" on the n950 via usb?  ie. similar to ssh'ing in21:07
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ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: accounts are mess21:09
befordusbnet + ssh ?21:09
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: what ya doing?21:09
befordSazpaimon, mardy just rejoined you may have to repeat yourself :P21:09
befordZogG_laptop, steam's IM client afaik21:09
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ZogG_laptopok i gotta do what i gotta do // need to reboot into windows coz we are in 21th century and technology is so awesome that somethings just work with IE only21:10
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SazpaimonZogG_laptop, basically, Im trying to make an account that requests an auth code after inputting your username/password21:12
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Sazpaimonafter that, it creates a telepathy connection manager21:12
Sazpaimoni have something basic written in all QML21:12
Sazpaimonbut i dont like how it's looking, and was thinking it may be better to use accounts-ui stuff directly21:12
Sazpaimonbut i can't really find a great deal of information on it21:13
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: because there are none21:13
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: but is it simple username/password one?21:13
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ZogG_laptopyu can check the code of extra plugins from coderus21:13
jussibeford: can you explain more?21:13
SazpaimonZogG_laptop, it's not a simple username/password, like I said, after feeding it that, it will need a verification code21:14
ZogG_laptopwhat is it?21:14
Sazpaimonneither, it sends a code to your email, which you enter in the application21:14
Sazpaimonso i assume I'll need to write some custom signon plugin for that, won't I21:15
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befordwazapp is doing something similar Sazpaimon21:16
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Sazpaimonwazapp uses accounts-python or some stuff21:16
Sazpaimoni have no intention of working with python21:16
Sazpaimonplus, the wazapp code isn't available iirc21:16
SazpaimonI'm also pretty sure that wazapp uses QML as well21:17
befordjussi, enable developer mode and open the SDK app, then use usbnet and ssh21:18
Sazpaimonreally I'm just trying to figure out what the best practices for this are, and what path my code should follow here21:18
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Sazpaimoninstead of just adding a bunch of crap to the account manager21:18
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: make you have one for password and user and other for code21:18
ZogG_laptoptwo buttons21:18
ZogG_laptopone sends request one to approve the code21:18
jussibeford: ooohhh.. I guess i should go get the sdk on this pc... slaps himself. (duh)21:18
Sazpaimonthe email code comes after you send the username and password21:19
Sazpaimonthen you re-athenticate using that code21:19
jussiI wonder how long this is going to take on 3g :P21:19
befordjussi, no need for the SDK on the PC21:19
befordjust enable developer mode on the phone, open the SDK app on the phone and select USB21:19
jussioh, right, that easy.21:19
befordplug the phone, it should give you an ip address for usb networking21:20
Sazpaimonoh i asked for mardy after he quit21:20
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: the user part would be used to send request only, while you need to enter code after in field21:20
jussibeford: ok, Ill give it a go21:20
ZogG_laptopit's how it works in wazapp i think21:20
Sazpaimonwould all this happen in the accountsetup plugin?21:21
Sazpaimonarent they just for UI stuff?21:21
jussibeford: any idea on the default username for ssh?21:21
ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: depends on you imagination21:21
ZogG_laptopi don't know how steam works21:22
ZogG_laptopand where it uses code21:22
jussibeford: wow, that was easy. thanks!21:22
befordits some auth code I believe, once the account is set up there is no additinal need for the code, right Sazpaimon ?21:22
befordjussi, no problem21:22
Sazpaimonbeford, correct21:22
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ZogG_laptopbeford: so it's code used once for approval only?21:23
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ZogG_laptopif that so than he should do it without21:23
befordwell that's exactly what tgalal is doing on wazapp, except that he auto reads the auth code from SMS.21:24
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befordyea, he doesn't want to use python, but he could still ask tgalal about the api, or whatever he is using21:24
beford<beford> well that's exactly what tgalal is doing on wazapp, except that he auto reads the auth code from SMS.21:24
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befordjussi, just fyi, to use root account, devel-su, default password is rootme. be carefull with the files you edit, editing protected files will require a reflash of the firmware21:26
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jussibeford: yeah, Ive played with it before and am familar, just didnt know about the usb connection. :) Thanks though.21:27
Sazpaimonmardy, when you come around ping me, I have a couple questions about account plugins I'm hoping you could answer21:27
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befordSazpaimon, you found the accounts api, right?21:31
Sazpaimonbeford, ueah21:31
Sazpaimonright now what I have is a simple qml-based accountsetup plugin that just asks for a username and password, then sends that off to telepathy to create a connection21:31
Sazpaimonit doesnt implement the auth code right now, because it would need to do a manual API call outside of whatever the telepathy manager does, and I'm just trying to see what the best practices are for tat21:33
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Sazpaimonbecause I could easily do that within the AccountSetup UI, but I don't think that's the way to go21:33
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ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: do you need that code for auth or just to approve account?21:58
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ZogG_laptopthe question is if you need to keep it in account in order to connect and chat as well21:59
ZogG_laptopbecause i think what you need to do is not that hard21:59
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Arkenoibtw is there a hotkey to send a message in messaging app? after rotation tricks send button may vanish and i have to rotate it again to get it back..22:00
ZogG_laptopit would be little be hard to manage data and so on, as i myself is little bit stuck there as i do keep token in account just didn't manage to get it inside app yet =)22:00
SazpaimonZogG_laptop, I need it to auth22:02
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MohammadAGI might actually release led-event-notifier today22:06
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ZogG_laptopSazpaimon: than do like i said22:13
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: for open kernel and inception only?22:13
ZogG_laptopthough i do have inception22:14
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MohammadAGZogG, it worked without inception an hour ago22:24
MohammadAGnow doesn't22:24
MohammadAGguess it was a bug in the SDK22:24
beford picture or it didnt hppen22:24
MohammadAGor I'm not longer the chosen one22:24
MohammadAGbeford, my package is
befordheh yea, I read it earlier22:31
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MohammadAGbut it's not working now22:35
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MohammadAGit's working without inception22:51
MohammadAGalthough dpkg bitched about it22:52
MohammadAGanyone wanna test it?22:52
befordrisks of blowing out the led?22:52
befordI can try it on a n922:53
MohammadAGsec, lemme just see why autofreaking start doesn't work22:53
MohammadAGit's cause the running user is nobody22:54
MohammadAGit can't connect to DBus I guess22:54
MohammadAG12050 nobody   /usr/bin/led-event-notifier22:54
MohammadAGI fucking hate aegis22:54
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MohammadAGthp, ping22:59
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thpMohammadAG: pong23:31
thpMohammadAG: source /etc/profile maybe?23:32
thpand/or set DISPLAY23:32
thpMohammadAG: make sure your binary has aegis UID:user permissions via the aegis manifest23:33
thpMohammadAG: and then in the init script, do: exec /usr/bin/aegis-exec -s -u user /bin/sh -c "source /etc/profile && exec /path/to/your/app"23:34
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