IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-05-23

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befordZogG, camera stil doesn't work for me00:12
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tom___Is it possible to delete the default wallpapers.  It annoys me that I can't seem to get rid of them.00:44
ajalkanetom___: ~/.wallpapers ?00:45
tom___that doesn't seem to exist (I just cleared my n9) ~/MyDocs/.wallpapers exists, but is empty00:46
ajalkaneI have stuff in ~/.wallpapers, but it can of course be something from previous PRs. But I do remember the wallpapers are in some pretty easily accessible place...00:48
tom___I know that things I put in there will show up as available wallpapers.  The default ones don't seem to be there though.  I will keep searching though.00:49
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ieatlintthis error makes me want to stab "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process" ... i see it far too often02:36
ieatlintstupid auto-update checker that runs for like 10min02:36
itsnotabigtrucklol yeah02:38
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: normally you can fix that by killall pkgmgrd and wait for it to terminate02:38
itsnotabigtruckit won't actually exit until it finishes everything it was doing (normally it's doing nothing so it exits quickly)02:38
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tgalalMohammadAG: ping02:49
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ieatlintitsnotabigtruck: i'm just going to turn it into a drinking game02:53
ieatlintevery time i get it, i take a shot02:53
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ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck has been ignoring me03:24
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ZogG_laptoptesttt03:56
ZogG_laptops/testtt/test03:56
ZogG_laptopwhy bot doesn't correct me?03:56
virtualdi can't install anything in the ovi store any longer, there's just a download button that does nothing. have you guys had that happen?03:58
SpeedEvils/revealed/uncovered/03:58
ZogG_laptopSpeedEvil: you broke the bot03:59
virtualds/i /I/03:59
infobotvirtuald meant: Ican't install anything in the ovi store any longer, there's just a download button that does nothing. have you guys had that happen?03:59
virtualddoh04:00
ZogG_laptopvirtuald: =(04:01
ZogG_laptops/\(/\)04:01
ZogG_laptops/(/)04:01
ZogG_laptopstupid bot04:01
virtualdpkgmgr install -p firefox says there's no such package. no fennec either04:01
ZogG_laptops/(/)/04:02
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infobotZogG_laptop meant: stupid b0t04:02
ZogG_laptopoh04:02
ZogG_laptopnow i get04:02
ZogG_laptoptgalal: ^ even bot knows04:02
virtualdmaybe i accidentally the apt source, what do you got?04:04
tgalalZogG_laptop: lol so everybody knows04:04
virtualdfound thread on talk now04:04
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virtualdi removed firefox earlier as it failed to update along with a few other apps04:05
virtualdi think elop is toying with us04:06
virtuald:/04:06
ZogG_laptop~ping04:08
infobot~pong04:08
virtualdDid I miss some great drama that made Stskeeps leave this channel?04:08
virtuald~pong04:08
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virtualdyay i found some lego! :D04:11
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tgalalZogG: u there?06:07
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artemmaHas anybody used GStreamer together with Qt?11:40
artemmaI am trying to evaluate options for GMainLoop and QApplication even loop coexistence. Options that I could see so far are: call one event loop processing from another one; use multithreading; create two separate binaries11:40
artemmaanybody has experience to share?11:41
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mankelii don't think you need to use gmainloop with gstreamer12:20
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mankeliat least i don't12:20
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mankelihttp://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/modules/qt-gstreamer.html12:21
artemmahmm..12:26
artemmawhat I just tried is to use only QApplication's main loop and that's it12:26
artemmaseems to work fine, yet example seems to be misbehaving more often (e.g. not transitting skype video to the other side)12:27
artemmatrying ti understand if it's random behavior of not that good example code or side effect of merging the loops12:27
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mankelidoesn't qt come with internal support for the camera also12:40
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artemmamankeli: I thought only in qtmobility12:48
mankeliwell qtmobility then. isn't that enough?12:48
mankelii would be a bit scared of trying to merge two beasts like qt and glib12:49
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mankelialtho i used gstreamer to decompress h264 to opengl (in sdl-application) and it didn't need any gmainloops12:50
mankeliapparenty gstreamer spawns several threads which run kind of autonymously12:50
artemmayeah, that's what seems to happen12:55
artemmatrying12:55
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phakoartemma: On Linux the Qt event loop usually is based on the glib event loop.13:02
artemmarhx, phako13:02
phakoartemma: though beware that it can be compiled without13:02
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tgalalSpeedEvil: ping13:14
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SpeedEviltgalal: ?13:23
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sledges~update17:42
infobothmm... update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n95017:42
sledges~aegis-no-thanks17:43
infobotaegis-no-thanks is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2/openmode-kernel/17:43
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mankeli~help17:53
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tgalalZogG: ping19:10
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artemmaI added one of my N9's to Finnish auction. Black one, 16GB, untouched. Starting price - just 75 eur and very short sales period - just three days.19:51
artemmahttp://www.huuto.net/kohteet/uusi-nokia-n9-musta/22248856819:51
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artemmajust FYI - here may be people interested in N9s for cheaper19:51
* Shaan7 's N9 got stolen, sadly he's in India :P19:52
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artemmaoh, I can send it anywhere, posting to India can be just a bit too expensive for a recipient :)19:56
petteriso how is my offer for the N950 holding on, has anyone topped it?19:58
Shaan7artemma: yea and talking to the customs duty guys in India is harder than buying a phone :P19:58
artemmaShaan7: indeed19:59
artemmapetteri: Not giving N950 out for 200 eur (if I remember your offer correctly)19:59
artemmawill probably try selling it for higher price first19:59
petteriartemma: ah, ok. Thought it was the starting price19:59
artemmapetteri: me too, but I have some sort of actual minimal price in mind :)20:00
petteriso what is it then?20:00
artemmafor 500 eur I would give it out today20:02
artemmafor less I'll probably try arranging a proper auction somewhere fist20:02
artemmaand if it fails, then I'll think20:02
hahlohow much nokia ask them in meego meetings?20:03
petteri0eur :)20:03
petteriat least here in hki20:03
petteribut refused as i was not going to build anything for the opensource community ;)20:04
petterihopefully it went to better use20:04
hahlopetteri: rehellinen mies20:05
artemmaI used my N950 for building 3 apps (+a couple of options) and one of the apps was downloaded 40K times. I just don't need it anymore - went off harmattan development20:06
hahlopetteri: voiko msg?20:10
petterihahlo: ok20:10
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hiemanshuShaan7: just get the person sending it to set a price of <10k and send it as gift, I got loads of stuff worth thousands of $$$ that way :P20:21
hiemanshuShaan7: and use FeDex/DHL, they do the talking part for you :P20:22
Shaan7hiemanshu: hehe, well once the softwarefreedom foundation sent us promo material, it was stopped at chennai and then held at bangalore for couple of *weeks*20:22
Shaan7even when the packet said that its "educational use only"20:23
Shaan7and it was fedex, and they didnt give a damn20:23
petteri I have also done some little apps for n9 with qml (pinkit for example). Does anyone know if qml only apps could be ported easily to Nokia 808?20:23
hiemanshuShaan7: well most of the stuff I got came through without my intervention, just once I had to go to the customs office to sign off that my phone was a cheap chinese rip off and was only worth 4k20:23
Shaan7hiemanshu: nice :)20:24
hiemanshupetteri: it runs symbian belle, so yeah, should be possible20:24
hiemanshuShaan7: and that was an iPhone :P20:24
petterihiemanshu: do you know if I can easily deploy to 808 from linux as with N9, or do I need windows machine for that?20:25
hiemanshupetteri: I know Qt Creator can do it just fine from linux20:26
hiemanshupetteri: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-2.4/creator-developing-symbian.html20:26
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petterihiemanshu: it says: "Make sure that Ovi Suite or PC Suite is installed on the development PC"20:27
petterii don't think there are ovi suite or PC suite for linux20:27
hiemanshupetteri: thats if you want to debug on the device, then yes you need windows, as ovi suite is needed to install the .sis file on the device20:29
MohammadAG<artemma> petteri: Not giving N950 out for 200 eur (if I remember your offer correctly)20:30
MohammadAG<artemma> will probably try selling it for higher price first20:30
MohammadAGwho says you could sell it20:30
petterihiemanshu: ok, nice. I will try google some more info20:30
hiemanshupetteri: well, it can compile the whole thing into a .sis that you can then install on the device, also the simulator works just fine for most stuff20:31
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petterimy laptops intel driver does not cooperate with the simulator20:33
petteriso I cannot use it20:33
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hiemanshupetteri: what distro? I know some distros work with the simulator/intel drivers and some done20:34
hiemanshudont*20:34
petterii use debian, but kernel and driver are from upstream. It is know bug in qtsdk, it got something to do with the 3D stuff20:35
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itsnotabigtruckjust to make sure: pr1.3 still isn't out, right?21:38
petteriright21:39
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MohammadAGwhy QML sucks and MTF rocks :p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7S4b0kGiAw22:47
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: cool cool cool22:51
petterii have also noticed that some apps take quite long time to start. I have had problems with my apps. For example Pinkit starts under 5 secs22:54
petterino problems :D22:55
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ZogG_laptoppetteri: it's your app right?22:59
petteriit is22:59
ZogG_laptoppetteri: nice23:05
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petterithanks :)23:05
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artemmaanybody here has experience with gstreamer/farsight?23:21
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rzrwhy ? have u some issue ?23:28
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artemmarzr: two things actually23:33
artemma1. I am banging my head at skype's gstreamer example trying to understand how to replace fsusink with the sink I need23:33
artemma2. I am always looking for skilled engineers for our startup in helsinki and gstreamer/farstream are some of the desired skill areas :)23:34
artemmafsuvideosink I mean23:35
rzrwell this is something interessing . but i would search in other place for finish talented programmers23:38
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rzrwait i tell you23:39
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rzrartemma, http://summit.devaamo.fi/23:42
artemmarzr: unfortunately I am busy exactly on that day23:43
artemmaotherwise I'd be there for sure23:43
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rzrartemma, do u think it would be possible to reuse the skype blob in a qemu arm env ?23:54
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